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Carr Bombed
11-07-2010, 06:10 PM
Being "content with mediocrity"

Anybody remember this thread...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69362

I remember it, because it's the last thread that Vinny posted in (where is that guy?). I would've bumped it, but it is closed out. Here's the article.

Baldinger: Bob McNair 'content with mediocrity'
February 4th, 2010 10:43 pm CT.



NFL Network's Brian Baldinger visited with the SportsRadio610 crew in Miami on Thursday. NFL Network's Brian Baldinger shared some tough love for the Texans and owner Bob McNair this morning during an interview with Marc Vandermeer and John Lopez on Houston's SportsRadio 610.

Like many of you, I watch NFL Network regularly but I can't recall 'Baldy' going off on McNair, Kubiak and the Texans like he did this morning.

Here's how it went down.

Vandermeer: "Houston Texans, your thoughts…"

Baldinger: (chuckles) "Obviously Bob McNair is content with mediocrity. The playoffs must not be that important... they’ve had four years to get it right. And I don’t know if they’re any better. I mean, when Matt Schaub plays like he did this year, plays 16 games they’re a pretty good team, but … to me … I don’t think they’re ever going to get it right."

Lopez: "I’m sensing that you think extending Gary Kubiak was a mistake."

Baldinger: "Like I said, if you want to go 8-8 (or) 9-7 and kind of just be at the brink, if that’s good enough, then that’s what you do, you stay with him. I don’t understand. Four years to get it right in this league to get it right is twice the eternity (?) that anybody really should get because you can win in this league right now – the Jets showed you. All you can do is keep stockpiling talent – tell me how they’re going to get better?"


http://www.examiner.com/houston-texans-in-houston/baldinger-bob-mcnair-content-with-mediocrity

Anyways, truer words have never been spoken and this team IS content with mediocrity, I can't even argue against that anymore. As long as Kubiak is McNair's head coach, that's exactly what McNair is doing.....settling for mediocrity.

Porky
11-07-2010, 06:14 PM
I've said the exact same thing recently. And I never even saw that before. As long as he is selling overpriced seats and beer to a full stadium, I think he is perfectly content. The owner clearly settles for mediocrity so I'm clueless on where we go from here.

drewmar74
11-07-2010, 06:15 PM
I've said the exact same thing recently. And I never even saw that before. As long as he is selling overpriced seats and beer to a full stadium, I think he is perfectly content. The owner clearly settles for mediocrity so I'm clueless on where we go from here.

Trout fishing?

TexansFight
11-07-2010, 06:15 PM
I agree 100%. As an owner, Bud Adams was much better. May he burn in Hell for stealing our Oilers from us but the fact is he was a better owner and got it more than Bob McNair.

McNair is a corporate hack and he can go to hell with his bullshit goody two shoes philosophy. We will ALWAYS be a step behind teams like the Jets who have aggressive FO and Coaches who have a sense of urgency.

TexCanada
11-07-2010, 06:21 PM
I think we'll be seeing a new coach in place by next season. I'm as upset as anyone about our record this year, but I think Bob is getting criticized a bit unfairly. Personally, I strongly believe in continuity with a coaching staff, and we've come really close to getting it right. I do not want to become one of those franchises where the owner steps in every year and fires the coach.

For me, this is Kubiak's "shit or get off the pot year", and if he fails (which is looks like he is going to do) then he needs to be fired. If he fails and Bob lets him stay, then I'll be upset, but until then I will support Bob.

Carr Bombed
11-07-2010, 06:27 PM
I think we'll be seeing a new coach in place by next season. I'm as upset as anyone about our record this year, but I think Bob is getting criticized a bit unfairly. Personally, I strongly believe in continuity with a coaching staff, and we've come really close to getting it right. I do not want to become one of those franchises where the owner steps in every year and fires the coach.

For me, this is Kubiak's "shit or get off the pot year", and if he fails (which is looks like he is going to do) then he needs to be fired. If he fails and Bob lets him stay, then I'll be upset, but until then I will support Bob.

The problem that I have is last year was supposed to be the "shit or get off the pot year".....Bob McNair even said so himself. Then Kubiak got constipated and didn't shit and instead of McNair kicking his ass off the pot, he signed him to a contract extension.
:kubepalm:

PockyAF
11-07-2010, 06:34 PM
Regardless of what other thinks, I still feel that McNair is in it to win. I still remember him getting excited when JJ ran past him on his way to the EZ during a pre-season game his rookie year. I still remember him having a disgusted look last year after the Titans beat us on MNF. He tried to appeal Cushing suspension.

But, he's sluggish when it comes to making a move, whether it's players or coaches, he always give them every chance possible to prove it to him that they do not deserve to be fired.

Until, that is, the situation gets out of hand. The 2005 season is a great, yeah the record was poor, but the fans was coming(what little of them) to the stadium wearing brown bags, holding up signs of disapproval to the team. IIRC, I think there was an article saying that McNair would have held on to Capers if it wasn't for such displeasure coming from the fans and some players.

Bottom line, if you guys want something done about the current regime, start acting upon it now. Break out the paper bags and signs for our next two prime time games, or don't show up to them showing the whole world that the fans have better things to do than watch this poor excuse of a team play, conduct rallies that show your angers of the ownership/regime, etc.

For ex:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/LionsFans.jpg/440px-LionsFans.jpg

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/81398965.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548F50B23F0415460F9 A5C8837844F16D0CBED5FE9D10079E7D

We know that there won't be a change unless the fans themselves take charge, we've seen this movie before. McNair get too attach to his coaches/players and won't canned them until all options is exhausted. If you want to know we mean business than show it. Embarrassed him on MNF, on his cherished battle red day, the day he's wearing his ridiculous red clown-like suit. Do it in front of the whole nation, on ESPN.

TexCanada
11-07-2010, 06:50 PM
The problem that I have is last year was supposed to be the "shit or get off the pot year".....Bob McNair even said so himself. Then Kubiak got constipated and didn't shit and instead of McNair kicking his ass off the pot, he signed him to a contract extension.
:kubepalm:

I think it is ok to keep a coach as long as the team is improving. Last year our team had our best record ever. We had a young team that was bound to get better this year. I think that is a good reason to have given Kubiak on more try. Now, he's screwed it up (barring a miracle run in the 2nd half of the season) and I think it is time for him to go.

It will be very interesting to see how we would make decisions with a new coaching staff. I think that Kubiak has had a lot of say in what players we get through the draft and free agency, and a coach with new thoughts and ideas might get a different reaction out of Bob. I think that if a coach went and told him that we NEED a certain player to win, that Bob would probably provide the funding.

Of course, I can't back this up, and only time will tell how it plays out.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 01:06 AM
:kubepalm:

Sorry, but in light of the recent news I had to bump this thread again.


Who would've guessed that Brian freaking Baldinger was Nostra****ing Damus and the smartest guy on TV. His comments were absolutely spot on. Absolutely SPOT ON!

This is by far more depressing than the 2-14 season.

houstonspartan
12-31-2010, 01:16 AM
:kubepalm:

Sorry, but in light of the recent news I had to bump this thread again.


Who would've guessed that Brian freaking Baldinger was Nostra****ing Damus and the smartest guy on TV. His comments were absolutely spot on. Absolutely SPOT ON!

This is by far more depressing than the 2-14 season.

There's nothing earth-shattering about predicting this team. A buddy asked me recently how is it that I was able to see this team's demise this season (I predicted 7-9 before training camp). I replied that it's not that complicated to easily size up this team.

You start with the division games, figure at LEAST four losses, and work backwards from there. This ain't brain surgery.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 01:17 AM
There's nothing earth-shattering about predicting this team. A buddy asked me recently how is it that I was able to see this team's demise this season (I predicted 7-9 before training camp). I replied that it's not that complicated to easily size up this team.

You start with the division games, figure at LEAST four losses, and work backwards from there. This ain't brain surgery.

This post is sad....but true.

TheMatrix31
12-31-2010, 01:19 AM
Probably the only thing Brian Baldinger ever got right.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 01:21 AM
Probably the only thing Brian Baldinger ever got right.

Which automatically gives him a leg up on the guy who's running your local franchise. Depressing isn't it.

TheMatrix31
12-31-2010, 01:24 AM
Which automatically gives him a leg up on the guy who's running your local franchise. Depressing isn't it.


I wish I had local franchise :( Actually I don't. Last thing we need is ****ing Los Angeles assholes ruining the game of football for me too. They've already done a number on my enjoyment of basketball.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 01:28 AM
I wish I had local franchise :( Actually I don't. Last thing we need is ****ing Los Angeles assholes ruining the game of football for me too. They've already done a number on my enjoyment of basketball.

If fans cancel their tickets next season, the Houston Texans aren't going to pack up and move.

Fans need to get over the anxiety caused by Bud Adams and the Oilers. If fans cancel their season tickets next season......well it might be the only thing that forces change. Bob McNair can not just pack up and move this team, because the city doesn't sell out the stadium for one season or even the next upcoming seasons. Jacksonville has struggled to sell out for YEARS...yet they still play in Jacksonville. This city needs to grow a freaking pair and show this MORON who butters his bread. Enough is enough.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 01:49 AM
I'm sorry, I'll admit it....I'm kind of pissed off right now. I apologize if it seems like I'm lashing out....

It's just that in all of my years of watching and being a fan of football, I think that I can honestly say...I've never seen anything like this. In the history of watching football. I don't think I've ever seen a team as coddled as this one, by the coach, by the owner, by the media, and by some of the fans. Can anybody honestly name another team? Even the Rockets get hounded by the local media. (Remember Tmac?) And so do the Astros, which is why they even make coaching changes...and trades (As do the Rockets)

For some reason though the Texans just stand pat and stay the status quo. Year after year after mediocre, celebrating mediocrity, excuse making disappointing season where you start 4-2, the Colts slip, and you have the best running back in the NFL year.


There's just something about this coach that I can never trust, even if he makes the playoffs I can never trust him. I'm telling you the guy has given me PTSD :) Have anybody else in the NFL had to endure as many "WTF" moments as we have had to watch during Kubiak's career here? I'm talking about epic history making record breaking losses. Maybe I'm scared by the 35-3 comeback, but I could envision him challenging for that record. He scares the shit out of me and I have no faith or confidence in him.

TheMatrix31
12-31-2010, 02:04 AM
It's definitely a mess.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 08:04 AM
I wish I had local franchise :( Actually I don't. Last thing we need is ****ing Los Angeles assholes ruining the game of football for me too. They've already done a number on my enjoyment of basketball.

It figures that you would embrace the mediocrity that is the Houston Texans. While shunning a 2 time championship team (Lakers) that puts its $$$$ where its mouth is.

How far are the Lakers over the salary cap? Way over

Why? They're serious about winning championships.

Maybe it's their fans you dont like. Why because they demand the best and yes I will admit they're arrogant. But I wish Texans fans were a little more like the them.

DBCooper
12-31-2010, 08:25 AM
I agree 100%. As an owner, Bud Adams was much better. May he burn in Hell for stealing our Oilers from us but the fact is he was a better owner and got it more than Bob McNair.

You remember this comment when Spud picks Vince over Fisher.

Buds a better owner, hahahaahahahahaha!

DocBar
12-31-2010, 08:37 AM
I agree 100%. As an owner, Bud Adams was much better. May he burn in Hell for stealing our Oilers from us but the fact is he was a better owner and got it more than Bob McNair.

McNair is a corporate hack and he can go to hell with his bullshit goody two shoes philosophy. We will ALWAYS be a step behind teams like the Jets who have aggressive FO and Coaches who have a sense of urgency.

I can't believe that came from someone old enough to remember Bud Adams as an owner in Houston. We didn't want to lose the Oilers, we wanted a new owner. Adams was and is a jackass of epic proportions.
Bob McNair has been an outstanding owner, more than willing to spend what it takes and make an upstart franchise into a pallatable destination for FA's.
I have a hard time faulting him for wanting continuity in the coaching staff. That's what most succesful franchises have. I'm not saying Kubiak is the right choice for that, I'm just saying I understand the mind set.
His biggest fault is wanting continuity on his staff, being too loyal and, aparrantly, wanting to be liked by the other owners. Not a real damning list as far as faults go. Damn him for a corporate hack? You should be ashamed of yourself for calling him something like that. He ponied up $700 million of his own money to get a franchise back in this town and I will be eternally grateful to him for that.
I'll take Bob Mc

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 08:57 AM
I can't believe that came from someone old enough to remember Bud Adams as an owner in Houston. We didn't want to lose the Oilers, we wanted a new owner. Adams was and is a jackass of epic proportions.
Bob McNair has been an outstanding owner, more than willing to spend what it takes and make an upstart franchise into a pallatable destination for FA's.
I have a hard time faulting him for wanting continuity in the coaching staff. That's what most succesful franchises have. I'm not saying Kubiak is the right choice for that, I'm just saying I understand the mind set.
His biggest fault is wanting continuity on his staff, being too loyal and, aparrantly, wanting to be liked by the other owners. Not a real damning list as far as faults go. Damn him for a corporate hack? You should be ashamed of yourself for calling him something like that. He ponied up $700 million of his own money to get a franchise back in this town and I will be eternally grateful to him for that.
I'll take Bob Mc

He turned 700 mil into 1.5 bill. So this isn't a case of charity. How long as fans must we worship at the feet of Bob McNair?

He should be thankfull that the Great Fans of the Houston Texans helped him double his $$$$.

I think I'll go turn on a light so Reliant can help pay for its naming rights fee.

BTW, Next yr is the last yr of the naming rights deal. When it expires all fans that use Reliant energy should let them know that if the re-up their deal with McNair they will be switching enery companies.

That will get McNairs attention.

disaacks3
12-31-2010, 09:30 AM
Bob McNair has been an outstanding owner, more than willing to spend what it takes and make an upstart franchise into a pallatable destination for FA's. I have a hard time faulting him for wanting continuity in the coaching staff. That's what most succesful franchises have. Really? Quick, name 5 big Free Agent Splashes the Texans have had in their history... :cricket:

FA's will be a LOT easier to get if they think this team might take them to the playoffs. $$ alone won't do it.

You're right about successful franchise and continuity...it's a shame we've never had a successful franchise to see what that's like.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-31-2010, 10:21 AM
Really? Quick, name 5 big Free Agent Splashes the Texans have had in their history... :cricket:


Here's 7 that i can remember...

Todd Wade
Robaire Smith
Antonio Smith
Jacques Reeves
Ahman Green
Morlon Greenwood
Anthony Weaver

Edit: does our 9mil backup QB Dan Orlovsky count?

:kubepalm::wadepalm:

DocBar
12-31-2010, 10:37 AM
Really? Quick, name 5 big Free Agent Splashes the Texans have had in their history... :cricket:

FA's will be a LOT easier to get if they think this team might take them to the playoffs. $$ alone won't do it.

You're right about successful franchise and continuity...it's a shame we've never had a successful franchise to see what that's like.

While never reaching a Super Bowl in Houston, the Oilers had a 7 year run making the playoffs and 2 trips to the AFC title game in the 70's. They also won the AFC title twice in the early 60's. That's fairly successful.
As far as FA's go, I like Smith, Cody, Walter and Leach quite a bit. Bentley has been a solid ST player and back up. We didn't get nailed on the salary cap, and get good to decent production from them. That's certainly better than at least half of the league does.
It seems like there are 2-3 busts for every good FA signing each year. It's just nowhere near a hard science.

disaacks3
12-31-2010, 10:44 AM
As far as FA's go, I like Smith, Cody, Walter and Leach quite a bit. Bentley has been a solid ST player and back up. We didn't get nailed on the salary cap, and get good to decent production from them. That's certainly better than at least half of the league does.
It seems like there are 2-3 busts for every good FA signing each year. It's just nowhere near a hard science.

Yep, but the "big" ones never seem to WANT to come to Houston. I mean a prime FA that wouldn't want to come to Houston with our history of fielding playoff-contenders, can you imagine?

Guys settle for LESS than the best offer to go places like New England, Pittsburgh and Indy. Until the Texans show they give a flying flip about WINNING (not just being "competitive and "staying close"), that's the way it will remain.

Lucky
12-31-2010, 10:44 AM
Edit: does our 9mil backup QB Dan Orlovsky count?


Yes, up to twenty. But he has to take off his cleats (rim shot).

Like the gr8fan, I'm thinking of re-investing in an entertainment center. And a new pit. Maybe turn my den into a projection room? I've given Bob McNair a lot of $$$ over the past 9 years. I'm not morally obligated into continue to sponsor this mediocrity.

Thanks for bringing the NFL back to Houston, Bob. I'll come back to Reliant when you show you know something about how to run a NFL franchise.

Corrosion
12-31-2010, 10:45 AM
I agree 100%. As an owner, Bud Adams was much better. May he burn in Hell for stealing our Oilers from us but the fact is he was a better owner and got it more than Bob McNair.

McNair is a corporate hack and he can go to hell with his bullshit goody two shoes philosophy. We will ALWAYS be a step behind teams like the Jets who have aggressive FO and Coaches who have a sense of urgency.

This from the same guy that said he hoped the guy would die ....