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gtexan02
11-07-2010, 04:03 PM
In almost every facet of the game, this Texans team looks nothing like the team that finished 2009

1. Our running game was 2nd worst in the NFL last year, this year it looks incredible

2. Our passing game was 3rd best in the NFL, this year it looks completely unreliable

3. Our defense was a top 10 unit in the 2nd half last year, this year its completely porous



I dont get it. We have very little player turnover, and yet, its like we're rebuilding every single season

Every year we have some players that look promising that just completely disappear
Cushing, Pollard, Demps, Bennett, Slaton, Walter, Daniels, Jones, Diles, etc

b0ng
11-07-2010, 04:11 PM
It's going to be pretty difficult to win every game by putting up 35 points.

fiasco west
11-07-2010, 04:12 PM
In almost every facet of the game, this Texans team looks nothing like the team that finished 2009

1. Our running game was 2nd worst in the NFL last year, this year it looks incredible

2. Our passing game was 3rd best in the NFL, this year it looks completely unreliable

3. Our defense was a top 10 unit in the 2nd half last year, this year its completely porous



I dont get it. We have very little player turnover, and yet, its like we're rebuilding every single season

Every year we have some players that look promising that just completely disappear
Cushing, Pollard, Demps, Bennett, Slaton, Walter, Daniels, Jones, Diles, etc

It sure does seem like it. All I have to say is even if you don't blame the coaches for the losses...it's been 4 years now, maybe going on 5...How many teams take 5 years to build a playoff team?

Hervoyel
11-07-2010, 04:24 PM
Our weak opposing schedule didn't carry over so reality set back in maybe? Possibly our finish was an illusion. We did after all wrap up against a bunch of teams that weren't exactly fighting for their lives or playing their best.

We wrapped up against Seattle who sucked, St. Louis who sucked, Miami who was in the middle of a three game losing streak, and New England who was thinking playoffs and only sorta wanted that win.

9-7 might be our first ever winning season but it was an illusion really. Just like all of Gary's "strong finishes".

2008: We went 5-1 over the last 6 games but those games were against Cleveland who sucked, Jacksonville who sucked, Green Bay who sucked, Tennessee who we barely beat (but good win), Oakland who sucked, and Chicago who just seemed to want to go home for the year. I think they'd been eliminated earlier that day.

2007: We start the "myth" of finishing strong with a 3 of 4 performance over the last quarter of the season. We beat Tampa Bay who were one game over .500, Denver who was one game under .500, and Jacksonville who was actually pretty good but they'd clinched a playoff spot and rested everybody that mattered.

But back to today's team it's not that we're not talented. I think there's plenty of talent on the field on both sides of the ball. Some of the talent is young and needs direction but there's talent out there. Our problem is that we have no focus or discipline at all. We make mistakes and play sloppy at times. We lack composure in the face of adversity which NFL teams run into every week all season long. We win a couple of games and our players start coasting and talking about how they've turned a corner and changed and they don't back it up with anything on the field. There's no accountability and the only time Kubiak & his staff can get them to come out and play hard is when their backs are up against a wall.

That's a recipe for .500 finishes until the end of time. Sound like fun to any of you?

Hagar
11-07-2010, 05:33 PM
Our weak opposing schedule didn't carry over so reality set back in maybe? Possibly our finish was an illusion. We did after all wrap up against a bunch of teams that weren't exactly fighting for their lives or playing their best.

We wrapped up against Seattle who sucked, St. Louis who sucked, Miami who was in the middle of a three game losing streak, and New England who was thinking playoffs and only sorta wanted that win.I agree completely. I've said this team is weak both mentally and physically. I say we are mentally weak because when we need to win against a descent team, we get beat. I always bring up the three straight losses we took coming out of the bye week last year. A win against any one of those teams would have set up nicely for a run for the playoffs given the weak schedule to end the season. We donít win games when we need too.

TheMatrix31
11-07-2010, 05:34 PM
Meh, unless you're a team like the Patriots or Colts, every season is its' own beast.

Yankee_In_TX
11-07-2010, 05:36 PM
I dont get it. We have very little player turnover, and yet, its like we're rebuilding every single season

Every year we have some players that look promising that just completely disappear


I don't know how to fix it, but that's why this franchise has sucked since year 1.

eriadoc
11-07-2010, 05:38 PM
This team needs to score 4 TDs every Sunday in order to seriously have a shot at winning, and for all the prolific numbers last year, they didn't do that too often.

Runner
11-07-2010, 05:38 PM
The main carry-over they have from last year was Kubiak, and that trumps everything else. If anyone is truly surprised at the Texans year, they either haven't been paying attention the previous four seasons or have let hopes and dreams override reality.

I thought Kubak should have been gone after year three; it is hard to believe he was kept after last year. "It takes too long to rebuild, let him have a chance to magically get it" - well, they are two more years behind.

The celebration that accompanied his extension is a distant memory...

cain78749
11-07-2010, 05:47 PM
The biggest blunder was the decision to let Dunta walk.

A competent defense helps smooth out the ups and downs of any offense. With Dunta, this defense had a chance to be average, meaning giving up ~21 pts per game vs. our ridiculous 28. That's obviously a TD per game. Take one TD off the board for every opponent and the complexion of every game changes. Not being down so much so early, we can lean on Arian more early on, maybe even building a lead here and there against good teams.

Every offense has ups and downs in one phase, even the really balanced ones. The point of balance is being able to lean on the run when the passing game is weak and vice versa. But when the defense kills you by letting the opponent get up on you early, you HAVE to excel in the pass game to win. That's why INDY is so damned good. They built a team that can boat race any opponent, and sat back and watched Manning/Freeney/Mathis execute it to perfection.

When we learned early on that the secondary went suddenly from suck to blow, we should've countered with a blitzburgh approach. The bend don't break works when you can prevent the big play. We can't, for the most part. Instead we got break and break. I'm not suggesting it would definitely work, it may fail completely. Yet, it's better than sitting back and letting the inevitable come.

Losing Dunta made everyone in the secondary worse. He wasn't a shut down guy, but he was adequate as a single cover guy, allowing double and bracket elsewhere. Without even ONE single cover guy, the deficiencies in cover ability of the safeties became even more apparent.

IMO, keeping Dunta would mean adequate, but not great, defense, and we'd likely be sitting at 6-2 or so, assuming Kubiag doesn't find some totally different decisions to screw up. Rick should of paid the man.

TheMatrix31
11-07-2010, 05:49 PM
Dunta Robinson was not worth the absurd amount of money we would have had to pay him.

cain78749
11-07-2010, 05:56 PM
Dunta Robinson was not worth the absurd amount of money we would have had to pay him.Is it your money? Is there some salary cap next year I'm not aware of? Are beer prices down b/c of all the money saved by not signing him?

Every successful team has a few overpaid players.

TheMatrix31
11-07-2010, 05:58 PM
Is it your money? Is there some salary cap next year I'm not aware of? Are beer prices down b/c of all the money saved by not signing him?

Every successful team has a few overpaid players.

No, it's not my money, but I want my team to be in a good position financially.

cain78749
11-07-2010, 06:03 PM
No, it's not my money, but I want my team to be in a good position financially.Still not a valid point. Giving him his money wouldn't break the team or screw them in future years.

DexmanC
11-07-2010, 06:05 PM
EVERYTHING from last year carried over. We just don't have a weak-ass
schedule to hide the deficiencies, nor were we aggressive in the offseason
like the Titans, Ravens, Jets, etc...

Passive offseason, staying pat, letting a key vet on our defense walk, arrogance
from the coaching staff, ALL CARRIED OVER.

fiasco west
11-07-2010, 06:09 PM
Still not a valid point. Giving him his money wouldn't break the team or screw them in future years.

Dunta wasn't worth what he wanted IMO...now Cromartie...he was worth what the Jets gave up though...

I gots no problem with letting Dunta walk, I have a problem with the thought that a rookie CB would be just fine on what was supposed to be a playoff caliber team.

BSofA04
11-07-2010, 06:09 PM
We should not have resigned Dunta for a number of reasons. Bottom line ended up being that he wanted way too much.

However, I fully believe that we...
A) Do not have a defense
B) Can't depend on Kubiak to out-coach a game and pull out a victory.

I really think we had more talent than the Chargers tonight especially with all their injuries. Why we couldn't win IS on Kubiak. His seat has to be getting warm. Jesus Christ, why can't Kubiak win these type of games...

cain78749
11-07-2010, 06:16 PM
Dunta wasn't worth what he wanted IMO...now Cromartie...he was worth what the Jets gave up though...

I gots no problem with letting Dunta walk, I have a problem with the thought that a rookie CB would be just fine on what was supposed to be a playoff caliber team.You're not offering a solution for this season.

Who could we have signed to let KJ learn as a reserve and be good enough to get us to be average this year?

The money argument makes no sense b/c this it's not an either/or issue. Signing him wouldn't have prevented the re-signing of anyone else or any other such move.

Wolf
11-07-2010, 06:23 PM
so we sign (aka re-franchise)a player that didn't want to be here anyway ... :rolleyes:

DexmanC
11-07-2010, 06:26 PM
so we sign (aka re-franchise)a player that didn't want to be here anyway ... :rolleyes:

The Titans did so with Haynesworth, and they won the division.

.....your point?

cain78749
11-07-2010, 06:27 PM
so we sign (aka re-franchise)a player that didn't want to be here anyway ... :rolleyes:At least this point makes sense; the money one, not so much. I haven't seen anything where he said he didn't want to sign with us after last year, if there's a link, I'd appreciate it.

If it's true that he was never going to resign, or would have been a clubhouse cancer, that's one thing. But it still means something must have been done in the offseason to get at least ONE average or better cover guy IF your goal really was playoffs this year. In the end, that decision is the main reason that purported goal is all but unreachable, given record, schedule, state of defense, etc.

fiasco west
11-07-2010, 06:28 PM
You're not offering a solution for this season.

Who could we have signed to let KJ learn as a reserve and be good enough to get us to be average this year?

The money argument makes no sense b/c this it's not an either/or issue. Signing him wouldn't have prevented the re-signing of anyone else or any other such move.

There were other Vets that could have been had like Cromartie or even Reeves who was not horrible last year

Over-paying him just because isn't going to help anything in the long run, especially if he was unhappy here. While I see your point about there being no cap so it really did not matter, he was still not worth it and if you give him that money, who knows what other player will want his money too?

Wolf
11-07-2010, 06:36 PM
At least this point makes sense; the money one, not so much. I haven't seen anything where he said he didn't want to sign with us after last year, if there's a link, I'd appreciate it.

If it's true that he was never going to resign, or would have been a clubhouse cancer, that's one thing. But it still means something must have been done in the offseason to get at least ONE average or better cover guy IF your goal really was playoffs this year. In the end, that decision is the main reason that purported goal is all but unreachable, given record, schedule, state of defense, etc.

there are tons of threads on here about resigning Dunta if I remember correctly is was Dunta was pissed about getting franchised the first time and wanted the Texans to promise him that he wouldn't franchise him again .

cain78749
11-07-2010, 06:36 PM
There were other Vets that could have been had like Cromartie or even Reeves who was not horrible last year

Over-paying him just because isn't going to help anything in the long run, especially if he was unhappy here. While I see your point about there being no cap so it really did not matter, he was still not worth it and if you give him that money, who knows what other player will want his money too?Being "worth it" doesn't matter either, unless you've got someone of his caliber we could have acquired for less or at least for par with that person's worth. To win, you must overpay a few guys here and there.

Reeves wouldn't have made that much of a difference. Cromartie would have been very nice. Too bad we didn't think of that one first.

Wolf
11-07-2010, 06:38 PM
there are tons of threads on here about resigning Dunta if I remember correctly is was Dunta was pissed about getting franchised the first time and wanted the Texans to promise him that he wouldn't franchise him again .

guess I was wrong, the Texans wouldn't promise him
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64270&highlight=franchise+robinson

Thorn
11-07-2010, 06:38 PM
Granted, the players in the defensive secondary are not that good. But there is talent on the line and in the LBs. There is a boat load of talent on the offense. That to me says we have the talent to make it to the playoffs. Not Super Bowl talent, but the players are there to make a run into the shallow end of the playoff pool.

But the product on the field speaks much differently. If you have the talent, but can't use that talent to win, that's a problem with coaching. I really wanted home town boy Kubiak to make good and get us to the promised land, but it isn't happening.