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CretorFrigg
11-07-2010, 03:24 PM
I've been going through posts and could not find one dedicated to Brian Cushing. So I decided to present Cushing with his own thread!

Brian has simply vanished from our defense. His presence is relatively unknown and frequently misses tackles and assignments. Many of the holes gifted to the Charger's runningbacks can be attributed to Mr. Cushing.

As we all know, his career has been plagued with allegations of steroid abuse dating back to high school when he ballooned from 165 lbs to 225 in one year. The speculation proved to be true as Brian Cushing was suspended this season for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

So that leads us to the debate: was Cushing's dominance last season a product of steroids? Or is he placed in a position to fail courtesy of our brilliant defensive coordinator, Frank Bush?

Dwade
11-07-2010, 03:27 PM
He's off the roids :chef:

...and Frank Bush's brilliant coordinating probably isn't helping.

eriadoc
11-07-2010, 03:30 PM
He needs to go back to trying to get pregnant ... errr .... overtraining. Or whatever.

Texecutioner
11-07-2010, 03:30 PM
He's off the roids :chef:

...and Frank Bush's brilliant coordinating probably isn't helping.

I thought from reading most of the posts in here that he was never on the roids and that he was just "working out to hard." :mariopalm:

Yeah, I totally agree with you though. He hasn't done hardly a thing since he came back. He has been playing a different position though at MLB the last two games. But yeah, it's definitely making me worry now that the roids may have helped him last season more than people thought, because I'm not seeing the same guy that I saw last year.

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 03:31 PM
Our defense is terrible, and Brian is adapting to MLB, a position he has never played (I assume), and you want to bring up another steroid debate? Give me a break.

mattieuk
11-07-2010, 03:32 PM
He's off the roids :chef:

...and Frank Bush's brilliant coordinating probably isn't helping.

Yup. All we need is the #1 ranked defense from last year! Lol.

The more he is invisible, the more the 'overtraining' argument seems ridiculous.

CretorFrigg
11-07-2010, 03:34 PM
Our defense is terrible, and Brian is adapting to MLB, a position he has never played (I assume), and you want to bring up another steroid debate? Give me a break.

Adapting...

What about the first couple of games he played WITH DeMeco Ryans at his former position? He wasn't much of a factor then.

Thorn
11-07-2010, 03:35 PM
Can yall imagine how much MORE putrid the defense would be with out Cushing? Jezzzzz. Wrong guy to pick on IMO.

otisbean
11-07-2010, 03:37 PM
Adapting...

What about the first couple of games he played WITH DeMeco Ryans at his former position? He wasn't much of a factor then.

Do you really expect a guy that missed 4 wks of practice to come back in mid season form?

DerekLee1
11-07-2010, 03:37 PM
The defensive scheme and the defensive play calling are just flat out not working. The offense is due a bad game every here and there (Indy, anyone?), but if your defense is bad, you're not going to be making any playoff runs.

BullNation4Life
11-07-2010, 03:38 PM
Cushing is no different than Marriman. Merriman is nothing more than a shell of his self since coming off the juice...

Cushing will be the same...

Maddict5
11-07-2010, 03:39 PM
was demeco exactly a standout every game at mlb? the run game for the chargers didnt get going + none of the big plays were on him= cushing prob having a good day

cdollaz
11-07-2010, 03:43 PM
I think that moving him to the middle was a bad move. He is an all-pro at a position, you leave him there. Instead of having a stad at one position, you are just weakening two positions.

PockyAF
11-07-2010, 03:44 PM
DeMeco Ryans must have also been jacked up on steroids when he first came into the league. Considering how he pulled the same vanishing act forn 2 years now; playing behind the same defensive tackles that Brian has.

gtexan02
11-07-2010, 03:45 PM
Cushing looks like a different player. Position change or not, he's been easily blocked this season after being a monster last year. He just doesnt shed blockers like he did last season

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 03:45 PM
There's a lot of things about this board that I don't get, but threads hating on our best players is a total mystery to me. Cushing, Williams, Smith, etc. It makes no sense.

PockyAF
11-07-2010, 03:49 PM
Cushing looks like a different player. Position change or not, he's been easily blocked this season after being a monster last year. He just doesnt shed blockers like he did last season

To be fair, our 2nd year players have all regressed from their rookie season. With the exception of Mario and Diles. Also, I know I'm talking about pre-season, but Cushing looked like the same beast that he was last year in this year's pre-season games.

I'm more inclined to blame the poor coaching of our defensive staff for the continuous trend of regression on our defensive players.

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 03:50 PM
Also please look at body of work. He had 2 games at his old position after missing 4 games. 2 at a brand new position. This is enough to start talking mad shit about his performance and steroids? At least we are level-headed around here.... oh wait.

Hervoyel
11-07-2010, 03:54 PM
Brian I fear is going to be our Sean Merriman. I wouldn't get real attached to Brian Cushing if I were you guys. I'm beginning to think I'm glad I didn't pick up a jersey when I started to earlier in the year.

It's starting to look like he's just another steroid user who lied to everybody. I know there are a lot of extenuating circumstances here what with his move to the middle and everything but he looks nothing like the player who won DROY last season. That's hard to deny.

I'm trying not to think the obvious but it's hard. Around these parts the obvious is usually exactly what's happening.

Porky
11-07-2010, 04:10 PM
Cushing is no different than Marriman. Merriman is nothing more than a shell of his self since coming off the juice...

Cushing will be the same...

Agreed. Cushing is now JAG on the field....and that predates the move to MLB.

Roid boy - and Rick Smith and/or Kubes and/or Bush needs to answer for this because they had to know he was a roid freak. How much time is spent now on first rd picks?

And speaking of which, my God is Kareem Jackson a bust or what? He couldn't cover the worst receiver on the Little Sisters of the Poor wheelchair football team - female division 85 yrs old and up.

dream_team
11-07-2010, 04:27 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he failed the test at the beginning of the season. He then passed all of the tests afterwards throughout the rest of the season. If the roids theory is true, then he should have started playing bad in the middle of last season.

I also think he had a good game against the Giants. He caused the two turnovers with his pressure.

Moving to the mike, I think, may have been a bad decision.

Ryan
11-07-2010, 04:35 PM
:mariopalm:


Jesus, our defense would fall in shambles even worse without Cushing in here, if anything pick on the underachieving pass rush and the god awful DTs, since the secondary is already a given.

Or heck, blame it on the scheme, the coordinator, and the guy who hired the coordinator, just not Cushing. I mean do you really expect him to be everywhere on the field at once? I guarantee you if every player in their positions had the skill set of Cushing, we'd be a great defense.

Texecutioner
11-07-2010, 05:17 PM
Our defense is terrible, and Brian is adapting to MLB, a position he has never played (I assume), and you want to bring up another steroid debate? Give me a break.

Ole Wagonhead at his finest.


You're always good for a nice chuckle. :spit:

Texecutioner
11-07-2010, 05:24 PM
Brian I fear is going to be our Sean Merriman. I wouldn't get real attached to Brian Cushing if I were you guys. I'm beginning to think I'm glad I didn't pick up a jersey when I started to earlier in the year.

It's starting to look like he's just another steroid user who lied to everybody. I know there are a lot of extenuating circumstances here what with his move to the middle and everything but he looks nothing like the player who won DROY last season. That's hard to deny.

I'm trying not to think the obvious but it's hard. Around these parts the obvious is usually exactly what's happening.


I'm right there with you Herv. I'm not willing to think he's the next Merriman yet, but I knew it was a possibility when the news came about his positive test. I know that moving to the middle on a team with poor DT's makes it hard, but we;re just not seeing the same guy that went sideline to sideline with ease last year who could destroy blockers in his way. And I even watched some of those MMA videos where he was learning new techniques to shed blockers through some of his trainers as well. It's still pretty early to write him off though. But the fact that people are trying to say that he's barely played this season as an excuse is pathetic, because that's no different than a player being hurt and coming back from injury and guys like that come back as big time players all the time.

Ray Lewis has gotten hurt many times in his career and came back as a beast every time. So did Troy Polumolu. That entire Steelers defense was a huge difference when he came back to that unit and they are again this year with a healthy TP. The Texans haven't been any different at all with Cushing back and he had a similar impact on the Texans defense last season as guys like TP, Urlacher, and Ray Lewis have had. All those guys have had bad injuries in their careers and came back and totally changed the effectiveness of their team's defense when they returned. Cushing has not done that and we're not even talking about a player that was hurt. We're talking about a player that tested positive for banned substances. And a lot of people forget that Cushing played hurt for a large part of last season and still wrecked guys all year long. This year he has been totally healthy and has been a shell of his former self.

Runner
11-07-2010, 07:16 PM
Brian I fear is going to be our Sean Merriman. I wouldn't get real attached to Brian Cushing if I were you guys. I'm beginning to think I'm glad I didn't pick up a jersey when I started to earlier in the year.

It's starting to look like he's just another steroid user who lied to everybody. I know there are a lot of extenuating circumstances here what with his move to the middle and everything but he looks nothing like the player who won DROY last season. That's hard to deny.

I'm trying not to think the obvious but it's hard. Around these parts the obvious is usually exactly what's happening.

It's not that big a leap. If Cushing played for the Titans and the same series of events had occurred, most here would "know" he was guilty and would have known for months already.

Grforces
11-07-2010, 07:25 PM
Our defense is terrible, and Brian is adapting to MLB, a position he has never played (I assume), and you want to bring up another steroid debate? Give me a break.

Totally agree. If you watch how Ryans could read the run vs the pass and quickly adapt, it obvious how awesome he is.
To put Cushing in the middle and expect him to do what Ryans did right away is unrealistic.
Call me dumb, but I always saw Cushing play the line backer position like a free saftey. Give it time. If anything, this will make him a better player down the road.
Plus most of ya'll forget he tested positive before the season even started last year.
He just seems a little heavier this year, and alittle slower.

TexCanada
11-07-2010, 07:30 PM
Ray Lewis has gotten hurt many times in his career and came back as a beast every time. So did Troy Polumolu. That entire Steelers defense was a huge difference when he came back to that unit and they are again this year with a healthy TP.

Do you really think thats a fair comparison though? Adding in one great player to a really bad defense isn't going to turn it around, there are simply too many holes. Those guys you mentioned are surrounded in real quality players, and they just add in a real game changing ability. How can Cushing be compared to Ray Lewis, a future hall of famer?

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 07:38 PM
Ole Wagonhead at his finest.


You're always good for a nice chuckle. :spit:
Are you so speechless you can't think of anything beyond a 3rd grade insult?

HJam72
11-07-2010, 07:40 PM
I say we shoot up our whole D before the Titans game. :)

CretorFrigg
11-07-2010, 07:40 PM
Do you really think thats a fair comparison though? Adding in one great player to a really bad defense isn't going to turn it around, there are simply too many holes. Those guys you mentioned are surrounded in real quality players, and they just add in a real game changing ability. How can Cushing be compared to Ray Lewis, a future hall of famer?

He should have at least a slight impact. He was relatively unknown throughout the first two games after the suspension where he played at his original position. Remember when Cushing was plagued by injuries, missed significant practice time and completely skipped the preseason games? Yet, he still had a significant influence on our defense.

Even if Cushing was still the SLB, are you guys completely confident that he'll continue to dominate like he did last year?

HJam72
11-07-2010, 07:42 PM
Screw it. Give 'im 'roids! :evil: Problem solved.

TexCanada
11-07-2010, 07:45 PM
He should have at least a slight impact. He was relatively unknown throughout the first two games where he played at his original position. Remember when Cushing was plagued by injuries, missed significant practice time and completely skipped the preseason games? He still had a significant influence on our defense.

Even if Cushing was still the SLB, are you guys completely confident that he'll continue to dominate like he did last year?

No I'm not confident in that, but I'm not ready to write him off either. Maybe part of the problem is that he set the bar so damn high with his rookie season, that the expectations for him this year are just through the roof. I know he hasn't been as effective in his 2nd year, but I think its more of a result of the garbage he is surrounded in.

It is also not uncommon for a player to regress in his 2nd year with this coaching staff. They seem to have a way of getting the least out of a player.

Hardcore Texan
11-07-2010, 07:47 PM
Also please look at body of work. He had 2 games at his old position after missing 4 games. 2 at a brand new position. This is enough to start talking mad shit about his performance and steroids? At least we are level-headed around here.... oh wait.

Agreed. Although I may not always be level headed tho.....:bubbles:

drewmar74
11-07-2010, 07:47 PM
It is also not uncommon for a player to regress in his 2nd year with this coaching staff. They seem to have a way of getting the least out of a player.

Yes. Yes they do.

It's a pet theory of mine.

They suck so badly that the suckitude is contagious and even rubs off on the players.

Hookem Horns
11-07-2010, 07:49 PM
Cushing has been dejuiced. You can throw him on the huge pile of defensive draft mistakes by the Texans that is starting to look like an Aggie bonfire pile of sticks.

Wolf
11-07-2010, 07:52 PM
He should have at least a slight impact. He was relatively unknown throughout the first two games after the suspension where he played at his original position. Remember when Cushing was plagued by injuries, missed significant practice time and completely skipped the preseason games? Yet, he still had a significant influence on our defense.

Even if Cushing was still the SLB, are you guys completely confident that he'll continue to dominate like he did last year?

not with our inexperienced secondary

HJam72
11-07-2010, 07:58 PM
Maybe it's BOTH dejuicing and decoaching (2nd year player).

Give 'im roids and don't coach 'im!

HJam72
11-07-2010, 08:00 PM
not with our inexperienced secondary

Give 'em roids!

Sorry, I'm on a roll here.

Marcus
11-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Can we dispense with these stupid ASSumptions on the steroids, please?

Demarcus Ware isn't playing the way he was last year, either. Was HE on steroids last year, too?

eriadoc
11-07-2010, 08:05 PM
Can we dispense with these stupid ASSumptions on the steroids, please?

No. :)

HJam72
11-07-2010, 08:07 PM
Can we dispense with these stupid ASSumptions on the steroids, please?

Demarcus Ware isn't playing the way he was last year, either. Was HE on steroids last year, too?

No, but he should be this year. :)

ATXtexanfan
11-07-2010, 08:11 PM
no need to single out cush, even if he went into juggernaut mode the dbs will still get smoked. the entire D has vanished.

Hookem Horns
11-07-2010, 08:11 PM
Demarcus Ware isn't playing the way he was last year, either. Was HE on steroids last year, too?

Was he? If he was busted like Cushing I would wonder.

TimeKiller
11-07-2010, 09:02 PM
Oh what, like 59 was doing anything better?

This D is crap from front to back. To skybox. To office.

hookinreds
11-07-2010, 10:01 PM
Again, 2 games off of suspension and then moved to a position that he hasn't been asked to play. It's a completely different roll. On top of that our defense is designed to "highlight" the SLB with "juiced up" stats because the MLB is supposed to push the play to the strong side. Ryans had a big numbers when he was our entire defense, bu talso had his injuries. Cushing comes along and Ryans was albe to do his job which helps inflates Cushings numbers and overall visablity on the field. Don't discard what Ryans did for this defense. He was on his own while Cushing was not out there. Diles is second rate at best, and Adibi will not be on the team next year.

Dawgnme
11-07-2010, 10:09 PM
Well, at least Dallas is losing...

:wadepalm:

Mr. White
11-07-2010, 10:14 PM
Can we dispense with these stupid ASSumptions on the steroids, please?


Not until he proves otherwise by actually showing up to a game.

NitroGSXR
11-07-2010, 10:38 PM
I just spent over $200 on three jerseys a few days ago... two of them are Cushings.

:kubepalm:

steelbtexan
11-07-2010, 10:46 PM
This is the first time Cush has played the mike lb spot in his life.

You cant expect him top play at an all pro level. PED or no PED.

Now the genius who decided to move him to the mike can be called into question.

powerfuldragon
11-07-2010, 10:50 PM
i don't like seeing cushing in pass coverage. he belongs at spy at least i think.

BigBull17
11-07-2010, 10:54 PM
1. Roids

2. Players get worse the longer they are in our crackerjack organization.

Hookem Horns
11-07-2010, 11:41 PM
I just spent over $200 on three jerseys a few days ago... two of them are Cushings.

:kubepalm:

Wow, did you ever buy any Enron stock?

GP
11-08-2010, 07:52 AM
Cushing has been dejuiced. You can throw him on the huge pile of defensive draft mistakes by the Texans that is starting to look like an Aggie bonfire pile of sticks.

Thread ender.

Best post I've read in a week, with the exception of all of my own posts of course. ;)

El Tejano
11-08-2010, 08:51 AM
I want the overtrained athlete back.

Hervoyel
11-08-2010, 09:03 AM
I just spent over $200 on three jerseys a few days ago... two of them are Cushings.

:kubepalm:

Wow, did you ever buy any Enron stock?


<doing my best Cliff Claven impression> You know, it's a little known fact that over three quarters of Brian Cushing jerseys currently on the market are made almost entirely from recycled Enron stock certificates in a sweat shop in China."

silvrhand
11-08-2010, 09:23 AM
Are we going to have a repeat of:

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/0424_large.jpg

The1ApplePie
11-08-2010, 10:28 AM
Like many people have been saying, the major cause is having the worst DTs in football in front of him. If we did not retain a single one of them in the offseason, I will be suprised.

On a side note, I think Cush's USC running buddy, Clay Mathews, is an obvious steroid case as well. He went from being an undersized special teamer to a beast in his final year of college.

Ole Miss Texan
11-08-2010, 10:36 AM
On a side note, I think Cush's USC running buddy, Clay Mathews, is an obvious steroid case as well. He went from being an undersized special teamer to a beast in his final year of college.

Yea but Matthews is only getting better. Dude's gonna win the Defensive Player of the Year easy.

beerlover
11-08-2010, 11:37 AM
Yea but Matthews is only getting better. Dude's gonna win the Defensive Player of the Year easy.

maybe he needs to grow his hair back out like Matthews, call it the "Sampson Syndrome"

bckey
11-08-2010, 12:39 PM
And speaking of which, my God is Kareem Jackson a bust or what? He couldn't cover the worst receiver on the Little Sisters of the Poor wheelchair football team - female division 85 yrs old and up.

TK will come along in this thread shortly to tell you how good Jackson is and it is everyone else's fault on blown coverages. I can't wait to hear TK's excuses at the end of the season when the Texans are 8-8 or worse.

hookinreds
11-08-2010, 12:48 PM
Yea but Matthews is only getting better. Dude's gonna win the Defensive Player of the Year easy.

Maybe win it twice?

jshabang
11-08-2010, 01:35 PM
no denying he looks different.....now the reason is why????.....coaching or the juice????


hard to tell at this point becuz nobody.....demeco, mario included look like much of anything........so who really knows

demeco went down but he wasnt doing crap before he left anyway

I will say the defense has improved a little bit with cush at mike......hasnt looked as bad as before....with the exception of toast Jackson at cornerback.....he let a street free agent carve him up like a holiday turkey

HJam72
11-08-2010, 02:13 PM
Mr. Cushing, please start taking steroids again....and try to talk some of your defensive teammates into joining you. You're the leader of the worst D in the NFL and it's all 'cuz you people don't take enough 'roids. Be a leader! :)

NitroGSXR
11-08-2010, 05:26 PM
Wow, did you ever buy any Enron stock?
I apparently made a little money (3 zeros) off Enron stock according to a financial consultant. I feel dirty.

Texecutioner
11-08-2010, 05:35 PM
Can we dispense with these stupid ASSumptions on the steroids, please?

Demarcus Ware isn't playing the way he was last year, either. Was HE on steroids last year, too?

Did Demarcus Ware get suspended for 4 games for PED's? No, so what the heck is he being brought up for?

Cushing got caught with a positive test and many people in here defended him to the death just because he was a Texan, and personally that was pretty bad to me that our fans would support cheating as long as it was a Texan doing it. Cushing isn't looking like the monster he was before, and that's pretty apparent. I'm hoping that it is just a slow start, but color me very worried right now when there's been a history of guys that got caught on PED's and didn't perform near as well after they finally came back clean.

Texecutioner
11-08-2010, 05:45 PM
On a side note, I think Cush's USC running buddy, Clay Mathews, is an obvious steroid case as well. He went from being an undersized special teamer to a beast in his final year of college.

That's quite possible. I don't think anyone would be surprised if he ended up with a positive test at this point.

A big difference between Mathews and Cushing though is that Cushing was known and suspected of being a huge juicer all the way back to his HS days and all throughout college at USC. When the news hit that he tested positive no one around the country was surprised at all. The only people denying it were Texans fans that wanted to stick up for their boy because he was a Texan. Cheating in football shouldn't be excused though when steroids are involved in physical contact sport like this. It's inexcusable.

HJam72
11-08-2010, 05:46 PM
I apparently made a little money (3 zeros) off Enron stock according to a financial consultant. I feel dirty.

You scoundrel. Give it ta me. :doot:

HJam72
11-08-2010, 05:47 PM
Did Demarcus Ware get suspended for 4 games for PED's? No, so what the heck is he being brought up for?

Cushing got caught with a positive test and many people in here defended him to the death just because he was a Texan, and personally that was pretty bad to me that our fans would support cheating as long as it was a Texan doing it. Cushing isn't looking like the monster he was before, and that's pretty apparent. I'm hoping that it is just a slow start, but color me very worried right now when there's been a history of guys that got caught on PED's and didn't perform near as well after they finally came back clean.

Yeah, we should never support cheating, unless it works.

CretorFrigg
11-28-2010, 03:18 PM
Thank you, Brian Cushing, for proving me wrong.

fiasco west
11-28-2010, 03:22 PM
Cushing actually played well last week also.

I think it should be noted that he missed most of the preseason, came into the regular season at his normal spot...then switched to mike, then switched back over. It is possible his poor play is more of a mental thing.

I still have faith that Cush can still be a big impact player. He flashed last week a lot against the Jets and he straight dominated this game today.

BullsOnParade
11-28-2010, 03:26 PM
He looked pretty damn good against the Titans today.

b0ng
11-28-2010, 03:38 PM
Chris Johnson is going to have Cushing induced nightmares for at least tonight.

Rey
11-28-2010, 03:47 PM
Cushing actually played well last week also.

I think it should be noted that he missed most of the preseason, came into the regular season at his normal spot...then switched to mike, then switched back over. It is possible his poor play is more of a mental thing.

I still have faith that Cush can still be a big impact player. He flashed last week a lot against the Jets and he straight dominated this game today.

Yeah he did.

He is looking a little better each week.

Texecutioner
11-28-2010, 04:26 PM
Chris Johnson is going to have Cushing induced nightmares for at least tonight.

Yeah, he looked like the Cushing of old today finally. This was the Cushing from last year. He destroyed Johnson today.

burro
11-28-2010, 04:36 PM
...and as with most vanishing acts, Cushing has reappeared - in beast mode no less.
:texflag:

Malloy
11-28-2010, 04:51 PM
Back in his old position. He's safe now, that's not the case for opposing RBs :)

hradhak
11-28-2010, 04:58 PM
Yeah, he looked like the Cushing of old today finally. This was the Cushing from last year. He destroyed Johnson today.

Yeah I thought this was his best game this season. I really think not having the extra responsibility of play caller lets him just play the game. He's a great player with natural ball hawking ability, but he's not a middle LB

FR0497
11-28-2010, 05:18 PM
Brian Cushing of Old sighting today. Has been getting progressively better and playing much better now that he's back in his normal position.

BigBull17
11-28-2010, 05:20 PM
CJ is the softest RB in the NFL. No doubt in my mind. He likes it when he can just run, but he wilts when you get a lick on him.

Lucky
11-28-2010, 07:40 PM
Yeah I thought this was his best game this season. I really think not having the extra responsibility of play caller lets him just play the game. He's a great player with natural ball hawking ability, but he's not a middle LB
It's certainly not fair to ask him to play MLB at a high level when he never had the opportunity to play the position in OTAs, mini camps, training camp, or preseason. Poor planning by the Texans coaching staff and had the smell of panic.

Cushing looks like he's back. I guess Cushing for a half season is better than no Cushing.

Htownsportsfan
11-28-2010, 09:13 PM
CJ is the softest RB in the NFL. No doubt in my mind. He likes it when he can just run, but he wilts when you get a lick on him.

I dont know if CJ is soft or just selfish like Randy Moss. It looked like neither of them had any interest in that game today and sure were not going to make an effort to will their team to a win.

drewmar74
11-28-2010, 10:37 PM
I dont know if CJ is soft or just selfish like Randy Moss. It looked like neither of them had any interest in that game today and sure were not going to make an effort to will their team to a win.

As a team they looked really, really flat to me.

Fish losing that locker room?

NitroGSXR
11-28-2010, 11:42 PM
As a team they looked really, really flat to me.

Fish losing that locker room?

He's certainly not losing that defense after the way he patted Finnigan and Bulluck up after the fight. I felt he somewhat was saying... good job. Then he goes and stands up for Finnigan by pleading his case with the refs.

El Tejano
11-29-2010, 07:44 AM
I like how Kubiak let them fight.