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Texan JBZ
11-03-2010, 05:41 PM
There are a ton of things that aggravate me right now about our Texans. The shaky play of Matt Schaub. The disappearance of Kevin Walter and Joel Dressen. Not designing more plays for OD. Lack of playing time for guys like Steve Slaton, David Anderson, and James Casey. Kubiak's dimwitted play-calling. Mario's ineffectiveness. Pollards covering and tackling. Troy Nolan's benching. Bush's lack of aggressiveness. Waiving Jeremiah Johnson. And on, and on, and on...

Yet, in the wake of the hated Titans signing Randy Moss to go along with Kenny Britt, Chris Johnson, Bo Scaife, VY, and Nate Washington, it hit me that the Texans would have never even considered making a splash move like this. Vincent Jackson was there for the taking and the Texans brass never even considered it. Antonio Cromartie would look damn good in a Texans uniform right about now. Albert Haynesworth, Shawne Merrimen, etc. And just because these guys aren't what you consider role models, Bob McNair won't even consider them. It's maddening. Imagine an offense with Dre on one side and Vincent Jackson on the other, even its just for one year! This organization is too damn conservative and afraid to take any risks, unlike the Titans and Bills, and I'm about sick of it!

jaayteetx
11-03-2010, 05:44 PM
I'm there with ya on most of those, but Randy Moss is a cancer who doesn't respect the game or his teammates. I wish nobody woulda claimed him.

Old School
11-03-2010, 05:48 PM
Don't know why you are upset. WE did bring someone up from the practice squad!!:texflag:

Texan JBZ
11-03-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm there with ya on most of those, but Randy Moss is a cancer who doesn't respect the game or his teammates. I wish nobody woulda claimed him.

We're in agreement on Moss, but the gist of my agrument is that in the short-term he makes them a more lethal offense. It's a low-risk, high-reward move because they'll only have him for 9 games at best. I'm not saying I would want Moss as a Texan, but I wouldn't necessarily have been against it either. My problem is that the Texans FO wouldn't even have given such a move any consideration and a division rival who our 32nd ranked pass defense has to face twice would.

JB
11-03-2010, 06:00 PM
There are a ton of things that aggravate me right now about our Texans. The shaky play of Matt Schaub. The disappearance of Kevin Walter and Joel Dressen. Not designing more plays for OD. Lack of playing time for guys like Steve Slaton, David Anderson, and James Casey. Kubiak's dimwitted play-calling. Mario's ineffectiveness. Pollards covering and tackling. Troy Nolan's benching. Bush's lack of aggressiveness. Waiving Jeremiah Johnson. And on, and on, and on...

Yet, in the wake of the hated Titans signing Randy Moss to go along with Kenny Britt, Chris Johnson, Bo Scaife, VY, and Nate Washington, it hit me that the Texans would have never even considered making a splash move like this. Vincent Jackson was there for the taking and the Texans brass never even considered it. Antonio Cromartie would look damn good in a Texans uniform right about now. Albert Haynesworth, Shawne Merrimen, etc. And just because these guys aren't what you consider role models, Bob McNair won't even consider them. It's maddening. Imagine an offense with Dre on one side and Vincent Jackson on the other, even its just for one year! This organization is too damn conservative and afraid to take any risks, unlike the Titans and Bills, and I'm about sick of it!

And you know this how? Are you a member of the front office? Maybe you have an insider giving you this info?

I'm thinking you have no more clue than the rest of us. Yeah, and the Bills are doing great as a franchise, aren't they? :rolleyes:

VTexan
11-03-2010, 06:42 PM
And you know this how? Are you a member of the front office? Maybe you have an insider giving you this info?

I'm thinking you have no more clue than the rest of us. Yeah, and the Bills are doing great as a franchise, aren't they? :rolleyes:

When have the texans gone after a big time player? answer is never.


yes antonio smith was a nice name, but he hasn't been to any pro bowls and outside texans fans i don't know if anyone has even heard his name.


and don't say leigh bodden

Corrosion
11-03-2010, 06:50 PM
I'm there with ya on most of those, but Randy Moss is a cancer who doesn't respect the game or his teammates. I wish nobody woulda claimed him.

I wish the Texans would have claimed him even if they had no intention of playing him , just keep him inactive ..... for nothing else other than to keep him away from a rival ...

JB
11-03-2010, 06:55 PM
When have the texans gone after a big time player? answer is never.
yes antonio smith was a nice name, but he hasn't been to any pro bowls and outside texans fans i don't know if anyone has even heard his name.


and don't say leigh bodden


If you don't think the Smith signing was good, that's ok. But he was one of the top free agents available at the time. And your comment about no one knowing his name is ludicrous. But that is not the point I was making. How do you, or anyone not a part of the FO really know what they tried or didn't try? They may have had talks with a lot of people, but couldn't work it out. Or, maybe they haven't. Point is, we just don't know.

Or, maybe you take John McLame's word as gospel? :dontknowa

Goatcheese
11-03-2010, 07:15 PM
This is a little off topic, but your first paragraph had me thinking. I'm concerned that so many of our players have taken such huge steps backward.

Schaub, Walter, D.Brown, Winston, Wilson, Pollard, Diles, Cushing, Quin, and maybe to a lesser extend OD, but I don't think that's on him as much as the regression of the O-line and resulting panicked look on Schaub's face.

Those players are what we were planning to build a championship on. They were the reason so many of us were excited about this team's future. Yet here we are 7 games in and the players you expect to take you to the promised land are playing the worst football of their career.

:choke:

I know a lot of fans are angry at Kubiak right now, and maybe they're right, but this team would be 7-0 right now if all of those guys were playing like they did last season.

As for your intended topic: No I don't think the Texans under Rick Smith will ever make a play for a big name player in their prime. He wants to be the guy who finds gems in unexpected places instead of just forking over the money to buy a flawless diamond. I think we need an experienced guy in the front office who knows not just how to evaluate talent, but how to acquire it and come out ahead in the negotiations.

Rick Smith is never going to be that guy and so I think we need to make a move.

infantrycak
11-03-2010, 07:22 PM
Yeah Bob McNair will never go against conventional wisdom.

Signed,

Mario Williams

DexmanC
11-03-2010, 07:23 PM
When they get a "leader of men" coach in here, then we'll see some
real vets vying for an opportunity in Houston. Harbaugh had no
problem in Baltimore, Ryan had no problem in New York, Dungy had
no problem in Indy or Tampa, Belichick has no problem in New England.

We have a weak-ass coach, thus the character of the team isn't ready
for a vet hungry to win like Moss.

Runner
11-03-2010, 07:23 PM
I know a lot of fans are angry at Kubiak right now, and maybe they're right, but this team would be 6-0 right now if all of those guys were playing like they did last season.



Wait until this time next season with another year of Kubes & Company coaching behind them. It won't be pretty.

Thorn
11-03-2010, 07:28 PM
The splashes the Texans have been making lately have been trying to stay afloat in the deep end of the pool.

Goatcheese
11-03-2010, 07:36 PM
The splashes the Texans have been making lately have been trying to stay afloat in the deep end of the pool.

So you're saying they just need some floatees and everything will be cool?

http://image48.webshots.com/48/1/10/40/378911040MipiBL_ph.jpg

Unfortunately we're a few weeks late to pick some up.

fiasco west
11-03-2010, 07:39 PM
There are a ton of things that aggravate me right now about our Texans. The shaky play of Matt Schaub. The disappearance of Kevin Walter and Joel Dressen. Not designing more plays for OD. Lack of playing time for guys like Steve Slaton, David Anderson, and James Casey. Kubiak's dimwitted play-calling. Mario's ineffectiveness. Pollards covering and tackling. Troy Nolan's benching. Bush's lack of aggressiveness. Waiving Jeremiah Johnson. And on, and on, and on...

Yet, in the wake of the hated Titans signing Randy Moss to go along with Kenny Britt, Chris Johnson, Bo Scaife, VY, and Nate Washington, it hit me that the Texans would have never even considered making a splash move like this. Vincent Jackson was there for the taking and the Texans brass never even considered it. Antonio Cromartie would look damn good in a Texans uniform right about now. Albert Haynesworth, Shawne Merrimen, etc. And just because these guys aren't what you consider role models, Bob McNair won't even consider them. It's maddening. Imagine an offense with Dre on one side and Vincent Jackson on the other, even its just for one year! This organization is too damn conservative and afraid to take any risks, unlike the Titans and Bills, and I'm about sick of it!

Bob is partly to blame but so is the coaching staff and GM.

If Rick and Gary would lobby for these players also, it might make Bob take the risk on on some of these guys. Rick and Gary seemed content with what they have though.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Yeah Bob McNair will never go against conventional wisdom.

Signed,

Mario Williams

I thought I was a pretty good free agent signing!



Signed,

Antonio Smith

JB
11-03-2010, 08:08 PM
I thought I was a pretty good free agent signing!



Signed,

Antonio Smith

Au contraire, haven't you heard?

When have the texans gone after a big time player? answer is never.


yes antonio smith was a nice name, but he hasn't been to any pro bowls and outside texans fans i don't know if anyone has even heard his name.
and don't say leigh bodden


:rolleyes:

kiwitexansfan
11-03-2010, 08:09 PM
I wish the Texans would have claimed him even if they had no intention of playing him , just keep him inactive ..... for nothing else other than to keep him away from a rival ...

Stupid suggestion. Way pay him the remainder of this seasons salary to have him sit and do nothing.

If he had cleared waivers Minnesotta would of paid his salary, as it is the Titans will need to pay the man.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 08:09 PM
Au contraire, haven't you heard?




:rolleyes:

Right!! :thumbup

buddyboy
11-03-2010, 08:14 PM
When they get a "leader of men" coach in here, then we'll see some
real vets vying for an opportunity in Houston. Harbaugh had no
problem in Baltimore, Ryan had no problem in New York, Dungy had
no problem in Indy or Tampa, Belichick has no problem in New England.

We have a weak-ass coach, thus the character of the team isn't ready
for a vet hungry to win like Moss.

I know people are upset with the HC. I am too.

But blaming FA signings solely on the HC rather than the GM or the owner is silly.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 08:22 PM
Stupid suggestion. Way pay him the remainder of this seasons salary to have him sit and do nothing.

If he had cleared waivers Minnesotta would of paid his salary, as it is the Titans will need to pay the man.

Whoa! Whoa!! WHOA!!! Easy kiwi with throwing around words like stupid....

I think what Rob was trying to say is that he would much rather pay Moss to sit on our bench as opposed to helping Vincent :hobie: boi Young look like an all world QB... Moss may have a poor work ethic, be lazy and in general a cancer, BUT he still is very talented. He can make the Tinnbreds offense two dimensional... After all our secondary has to face them twice.. :choke:

I think Rob's idea was brilliant.

*EDIT*
We face the Tinnbreds twice within the next 6 weeks. Moss wouldn't even have a chance to go "cancer" in that time.

JB
11-03-2010, 08:24 PM
Whoa! Whoa!! WHOA!!! Easy kiwi with throwing around words like stupid....

I think what Rob was trying to say is that he would much rather pay Moss to sit on our bench as opposed to helping Vincent :hobie: boi Young look like an all world QB... Moss may have a poor work ethic, be lazy and in general a cancer, BUT he still is very talented. He can make the Tinnbreds offense two dimensional... After all our secondary has to face them twice.. :choke:

I think Rob's idea was brilliant.

Yeah, but surely that 6.4 mil contract in an uncapped year was the deal breaker...:rolleyes:

steelbtexan
11-03-2010, 08:31 PM
Stupid suggestion. Way pay him the remainder of this seasons salary to have him sit and do nothing.

If he had cleared waivers Minnesotta would of paid his salary, as it is the Titans will need to pay the man.

Would it be worth it if Moss helps the Tacks beat the Texans twice and win the division?

While the Texans miss the playoffs.

Rey
11-03-2010, 08:34 PM
We have enough talent to win.

The coaching and play calling have been suspect on both sides of the ball.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 08:34 PM
Would it be worth it if Moss helps the Tacks beat the Texans twice and win the division?


While the Texans miss the playoffs.

Kinda what I was trying to infer...(on the bolded)

As far as the second part -----> :foottap:

Texecutioner
11-03-2010, 08:37 PM
There are a ton of things that aggravate me right now about our Texans. The shaky play of Matt Schaub. The disappearance of Kevin Walter and Joel Dressen. Not designing more plays for OD. Lack of playing time for guys like Steve Slaton, David Anderson, and James Casey. Kubiak's dimwitted play-calling. Mario's ineffectiveness. Pollards covering and tackling. Troy Nolan's benching. Bush's lack of aggressiveness. Waiving Jeremiah Johnson. And on, and on, and on...

Yet, in the wake of the hated Titans signing Randy Moss to go along with Kenny Britt, Chris Johnson, Bo Scaife, VY, and Nate Washington, it hit me that the Texans would have never even considered making a splash move like this. Vincent Jackson was there for the taking and the Texans brass never even considered it. Antonio Cromartie would look damn good in a Texans uniform right about now. Albert Haynesworth, Shawne Merrimen, etc. And just because these guys aren't what you consider role models, Bob McNair won't even consider them. It's maddening. Imagine an offense with Dre on one side and Vincent Jackson on the other, even its just for one year! This organization is too damn conservative and afraid to take any risks, unlike the Titans and Bills, and I'm about sick of it!

I've said this for years about Rick Smith. The guy is the most overrated GM Houston has ever had other than Carroll Dawson. He's had a few nice draft picks, but people seem to marginalize the bad ones he's had.

The Texans will never be a big player on free agents with Smithiak. They don't pressure Mcnair to spend the money or to even go after the guys that you can get for cheap even. They simply don't do it.

I totally agree with what you're saying JBZ, but not with all of these examples though. Merriman is horrible, Vincent Jackson would need to much money and we already have the highest paid WR in the league. You can't pay two WR's top dog cash. Cromartie has had like one good season and Haynesworth is way over paid and a contract player.

I agree in theory, but just not with the examples you provided.

kiwitexansfan
11-03-2010, 08:40 PM
Has Young ever shown the ability to throw with any accuracy down the field?

I more scared of Collins getting in the game now with Moss there than I am Vince Young having a down field target.

You think Randy Moss is going to working his butt off down field blocking for Chris Johnson?

There is a reason why plenty of bad teams passed on Moss before the Titans took a flyer on him.

steelbtexan
11-03-2010, 08:42 PM
I know people are upset with the HC. I am too.

But blaming FA signings solely on the HC rather than the GM or the owner is silly.

According to JB we dont know who's in charge. Because we dont sit in on any organizational meetings.

But what we do know is the Texans have never signed a talented player who might rock the boat.

It's time to rock the boat. Players/McNair/everybody needs to ask what's wrong with this franchise and what needs to be done to fix the problems. If that means paying a little extra and signing a Haynesworth or trading for a Cromartie you hold your nose and do the deal. If winning is your main priority. Of course signing these guys is going to cost $$$$. So you know it's not going to happen.

PHAROAH
11-03-2010, 08:44 PM
The Texans are way to conservative to make a splash move on a guy like Randy Moss or Shawn Merriman who could have really helped the pass rush and Randy Moss would take pressure off of Andre Johnson & Owen Daniels. The Texans Defense is straight garbage right now and Shawn Merriman could have helped even Randy Moss.

JB
11-03-2010, 08:49 PM
According to JB we dont know who's in charge. Because we dont sit in on any organizational meetings.

But what we do know is the Texans have never signed a talented player who might rock the boat.

It's time to rock the boat. Players/McNair/everybody needs to ask what's wrong with this franchise and what needs to be done to fix the problems. If that means paying a little extra and signing a Haynesworth or trading for a Cromartie you hold your nose and do the deal. If winning is your main priority. Of course signing these guys is going to cost $$$$. So you know it's not going to happen.

Nice way to put your favorite spin on my words. If you bothered to read any of my posts, you would have read that we do not know what they may or may not done. We do know they did not put in a claim for Moss. Can you say with any degree of certainty what else they did or did not do?

No, you don't. I don't either. Do you really think that they are going to advertise any of the behind the scenes dealings that they do? Do you know of any team that does?

kiwitexansfan
11-03-2010, 08:52 PM
The Texans are way to conservative to make a splash move on a guy like Randy Moss or Shawn Merriman who could have really helped the pass rush and Randy Moss would take pressure off of Andre Johnson & Owen Daniels. The Texans Defense is straight garbage right now and Shawn Merriman could have helped even Randy Moss.

It's not 2006 Merriman they had a shot at, it was 2010 Merriman and his 4 sacks in 3 years, coming off an injury.....

BoltWalt
11-03-2010, 08:54 PM
When have the texans gone after a big time player? answer is never.


yes antonio smith was a nice name, but he hasn't been to any pro bowls and outside texans fans i don't know if anyone has even heard his name.


and don't say leigh bodden

Who?

Rey
11-03-2010, 08:57 PM
Lots of things negative about this team. not chasing big time talent is just another straw. Even in some of the wins the team has looked pathetic in some aspects.

DexmanC
11-03-2010, 09:09 PM
According to JB we dont know who's in charge. Because we dont sit in on any organizational meetings.

But what we do know is the Texans have never signed a talented player who might rock the boat.

It's time to rock the boat. Players/McNair/everybody needs to ask what's wrong with this franchise and what needs to be done to fix the problems. If that means paying a little extra and signing a Haynesworth or trading for a Cromartie you hold your nose and do the deal. If winning is your main priority. Of course signing these guys is going to cost $$$$. So you know it's not going to happen.

Such people would immediately discredit the Texans Media Department. Right
now, they are the ONLY source of inside information for the team, and a
guy like Randy Moss would light this weak-ass regime UP!

Maybe that's why they didn't persue LT, and prayed REAL HARD that
Dunta would stay quiet.

Texan JBZ
11-03-2010, 09:29 PM
Nice way to put your favorite spin on my words. If you bothered to read any of my posts, you would have read that we do not know what they may or may not done. We do know they did not put in a claim for Moss. Can you say with any degree of certainty what else they did or did not do?

No, you don't. I don't either. Do you really think that they are going to advertise any of the behind the scenes dealings that they do? Do you know of any team that does?

JB, it has been stated by people with closer connections to the Texans than any of us that Bob McNair will under no circumstances take a chance on a player with questionable character concerns. He only wants boy scouts. Do you think McNair would have entertained Rick Smith going after guys like Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, or Vincent Jackson? Hell no! He wants lames like Leigh Bodden and Aaron Schoebel.

@Texecutioner - I feel what you're saying, but how in the hell did the Jets sign all of those free agents? Think about it. In the last two seasons, they've been able to sign Bart Scott, Braylen Edwards, LT, Jason Taylor, Santonio Holmes, Cromartie, & Jim Leonhard. That's to go along with re-ups to Nick Maingold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Darelle Revis. That's an absurd amount of money spent on some big names. How can they pull that off, but the Texans can't?

scourge
11-03-2010, 09:34 PM
When have the texans gone after a big time player? answer is never.


yes antonio smith was a nice name, but he hasn't been to any pro bowls and outside texans fans i don't know if anyone has even heard his name.


and don't say leigh bodden

Orlando Pace?

DexmanC
11-03-2010, 09:39 PM
JB, it has been stated by people with closer connections to the Texans than any of us that Bob McNair will under no circumstances take a chance on a player with questionable character concerns. He only wants boy scouts. Do you think McNair would have entertained Rick Smith going after guys like Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, or Vincent Jackson? Hell no! He wants lames like Leigh Bodden and Aaron Schoebel.

@Texecutioner - I feel what you're saying, but how in the hell did the Jets sign all of those free agents? Think about it. In the last two seasons, they've been able to sign Bart Scott, Braylen Edwards, LT, Jason Taylor, Santonio Holmes, Cromartie, & Jim Leonhard. That's to go along with re-ups to Nick Maingold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Darelle Revis. That's an absurd amount of money spent on some big names. How can they pull that off, but the Texans can't?

Because Rex Ryan will kick those guys' ass if they get out of line. You
need a "Leader of Men"-type coach to pull that off. Hell, Marvin Lewis
is another good example of that. Kubiak would crumble under such pressure.

JB
11-03-2010, 09:40 PM
JB, it has been stated by people with closer connections to the Texans than any of us that Bob McNair will under no circumstances take a chance on a player with questionable character concerns. He only wants boy scouts. Do you think McNair would have entertained Rick Smith going after guys like Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, or Vincent Jackson? Hell no! He wants lames like Leigh Bodden and Aaron Schoebel.
@Texecutioner - I feel what you're saying, but how in the hell did the Jets sign all of those free agents? Think about it. In the last two seasons, they've been able to sign Bart Scott, Braylen Edwards, LT, Jason Taylor, Santonio Holmes, Cromartie, & Jim Leonhard. That's to go along with re-ups to Nick Maingold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Darelle Revis. That's an absurd amount of money spent on some big names. How can they pull that off, but the Texans can't?

That is totally different than not going after any big name free agents.

Corrosion
11-03-2010, 09:43 PM
Stupid suggestion. Way pay him the remainder of this seasons salary to have him sit and do nothing.

If he had cleared waivers Minnesotta would of paid his salary, as it is the Titans will need to pay the man.

Tell me how stupid it is when he helps the tits .....

VTexan
11-03-2010, 10:03 PM
Au contraire, haven't you heard?




:rolleyes:

Texan homering at it's finest. Be happy with all the Antonio Smiths in the world, they sure aren't making us go to the playoffs anytime soon. At least in all of the years Kubiak has been a coach.

JB
11-03-2010, 10:17 PM
Texan homering at it's finest. Be happy with all the Antonio Smiths in the world, they sure aren't making us go to the playoffs anytime soon. At least in all of the years Kubiak has been a coach.

If you are not a Texan fan, why are you here? And it's not homering to point out the fallacies of your previous statements.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Texan homering at it's finest. Be happy with all the Antonio Smiths in the world, they sure aren't making us go to the playoffs anytime soon. At least in all of the years Kubiak has been a coach.

Be happy bitching, moaning and whining.... Where's your soap at?? Uh-oh, it's on the floor.

:rolleyes: amatuer!

Texecutioner
11-03-2010, 10:36 PM
@Texecutioner - I feel what you're saying, but how in the hell did the Jets sign all of those free agents? Think about it. In the last two seasons, they've been able to sign Bart Scott, Braylen Edwards, LT, Jason Taylor, Santonio Holmes, Cromartie, & Jim Leonhard. That's to go along with re-ups to Nick Maingold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Darelle Revis. That's an absurd amount of money spent on some big names. How can they pull that off, but the Texans can't?

Now this is a very good example JBZ. The Jets went out and got Rex Ryan and your right in the last two off seasons they've made all sorts of personal changes and they completely changed the attitude of their team, but more importantly on the defense. Ryan built a great defense in his first off season, and then over achieved in the post season last year. In the off season this year he goes out and signs Santonio Homes, LT, and Taylor, Cromartie, and gets Kyle Wilson for a steal in the draft. All this happens while he lost his starting RB last season (Leon Washington) to injury and lets go of Thomas Jones. Greene has been a nice addition as well.

The Jets have been huge the last two off seasons. Right away Rex Ryan brought his impact and built a top 3 defense in this league. There are all sorts of moves that can be made every off season if your GM gets creative. I so wish Darrel Morey was a football GM.

Wolf
11-03-2010, 10:37 PM
as far as the Moss discussion

would Moss make this team better? NO . he runs basically 3 routes (when he feels like it) and won't block..

AJ will run the routes and will block.. Walters and Jacoby will do dirty work that randy wouldn't even think about doing ...

problem is with moss is he doesn't want to play 100 percent .. if he would holy smokes

Norg
11-03-2010, 11:07 PM
We build through the draft we follow the same model has Pittsburg and the Pats

I say thats a pretty good model to Copy ..............

Corrosion
11-04-2010, 01:58 AM
Texan homering at it's finest. Be happy with all the Antonio Smiths in the world, they sure aren't making us go to the playoffs anytime soon. At least in all of the years Kubiak has been a coach.

Thats one FA signing you shouldnt be bitching about , that guy has played his ass off for this team .....

The problem with the DL isnt the DE's. Its the DT's and specifically 0k0ye not pushing the pocket so the DE's get washed by .... and the QB simply steps up. I know thats a hard concept to grasp ....

To be honest , I think this is a scheme issue as much as it is the players not getting it done .... mainly because they continue to draft the same type of players .... Earl Mitchell looks an awful lot like 0k0ye to me .... They are asking the DT's to shoot gaps rather than push the pocket.
Thats probably one of the main reasons mobile QB's are able to get loose and pick up yardage with their legs as we have seen so often over the past couple years.

The players are failing at executing the concept and the concept is failing from the get go.


...... chews Kubiak out next chance he gets.

wagonhed
11-04-2010, 02:10 AM
If we had an Antonio Smith caliber player at every position, we'd be the most dominant football team in modern history. Even Kubiak's coaching couldn't stop that.

ubecool454
11-04-2010, 04:27 AM
There are a ton of things that aggravate me right now about our Texans. The shaky play of Matt Schaub. The disappearance of Kevin Walter and Joel Dressen. Not designing more plays for OD. Lack of playing time for guys like Steve Slaton, David Anderson, and James Casey. Kubiak's dimwitted play-calling. Mario's ineffectiveness. Pollards covering and tackling. Troy Nolan's benching. Bush's lack of aggressiveness. Waiving Jeremiah Johnson. And on, and on, and on...

Yet, in the wake of the hated Titans signing Randy Moss to go along with Kenny Britt, Chris Johnson, Bo Scaife, VY, and Nate Washington, it hit me that the Texans would have never even considered making a splash move like this. Vincent Jackson was there for the taking and the Texans brass never even considered it. Antonio Cromartie would look damn good in a Texans uniform right about now. Albert Haynesworth, Shawne Merrimen, etc. And just because these guys aren't what you consider role models, Bob McNair won't even consider them. It's maddening. Imagine an offense with Dre on one side and Vincent Jackson on the other, even its just for one year! This organization is too damn conservative and afraid to take any risks, unlike the Titans and Bills, and I'm about sick of it!

Come on dude...why would you need a guy like Albert Haynesworth when you have Okoye? Why would you want Cromartie when you have Brice McCain. Finally why would you want a guy like vincent Jackson when you have Jacoby Jones?...who cares that Jacoby can only catch when the DB slips and falls down...and anyway, Vincent Jackson can't dance like Jacoby can.:thinking::thinking:

ubecool454
11-04-2010, 04:30 AM
If we had an Antonio Smith caliber player at every position, we'd be the most dominant football team in modern history. Even Kubiak's coaching couldn't stop that.

agreed....I wasn't sure about the Antonio Smith move at first when we signed him but the guy plays with emotion and he is never intimidated. I don't care that he may get a personal foul every once in awhile...that to me is part of the itimidation game.

Thorn
11-04-2010, 07:31 AM
The Texans have made some trades and splashes, so to speak, in the past. Perhaps not as often as other teams, but to say they don't isn't looking at the facts. Hell, even Schaub falls into this so called "splash" catagory.

And some free agents should just be left alone. Moss is like that bad uncle in the family, sure he knows how to fix shit around the house, but he probably causes more problems than he fixes. And that's Moss to a tee.

SouthSideTexan
11-04-2010, 07:38 AM
Finally why would you want a guy like vincent Jackson when you have Jacoby Jones?...who cares that Jacoby can only catch when the DB slips and falls down...and anyway, Vincent Jackson can't dance like Jacoby can.:thinking::thinking:

Here's a wild thought.... Why don't we replace McCain with Jacoby? He seems able to knock down passes thrown his way and he might even get an occasional interception. We need to promote from within...... I'm just saying....:thinking:

You know I'm kidding right.

Texan4Ever
11-04-2010, 07:42 AM
This has probably been mentioned before, but isn't it the job of the defensive coordinator and head coach to look at the roster and see what kinds of schemes would work?

As for making splash moves, I'm sorrta happy we're not throwing money out their to grab players. Look at the Redskins and Dan Snyder, how many of the players he's lured to DC with $$$ have panned out? (see LaVaar Arington, Fat Albert)

BigBull17
11-04-2010, 08:25 AM
We're in agreement on Moss, but the gist of my agrument is that in the short-term he makes them a more lethal offense. It's a low-risk, high-reward move because they'll only have him for 9 games at best. I'm not saying I would want Moss as a Texan, but I wouldn't necessarily have been against it either. My problem is that the Texans FO wouldn't even have given such a move any consideration and a division rival who our 32nd ranked pass defense has to face twice would.

Moss is more likely to cause problems than fix them for the TicTacs. He isn't going to go all out for a pass from VY that is a little errant. He isn't gonna block. He is not a leader. He is a selfish player who has been spoon fed by Brady for the last 3 years. He has an awful work ethic and poor character. No thanks. However, I do agree they missed a chance to try and make the team better prior to the trade deadline.

ChampionTexan
11-04-2010, 08:32 AM
There's a couple of different ways to build a winner, and there's lots of high profile FA signings that have fallen far short of the teams hopes and expectations.

I'm guessing that at no point in the last several years has a thread of this nature shown up on any Washington Redskin MB, although a "Will the Redskins ever start to build from the draft" thread may have.

I've said before, the only recent "high profile" FA acquisition to pay off in a Super Bowl title was Drew Brees with the Saints. And even he was a guy who had interest from only two teams, and one of them deemed Daunte Culpepper the better option and went in that direction.

Other SB winners in the last few years include the Steelers- 2 times (who are far more known for letting high profile FA's walk than bringing them in)the Giants (who you could argue picked up Plaxico Burress three years earlier, but it wasn't exactly high profile at the time), The Colts (who haven't signed even a mid-profile FA in years) The Pats - 3 times (Teams that were built almost exclusively from within).

While it's really easy to look at where the Texans are, and say you whatever you're doing, you should start doing the opposite, the reality is that the method they've chosen to build a franchise is proven and has shown to be effective in numerous instances. I know that right now lots and lots of folks have chosen to take on the role of a hammer when it comes to their viewpoint of the Texans, and you know that when you're a hammer - pretty much everything looks like a nail. Just because the Texans may very well be deserving of criticism, that doesn't make every criticism that's thrown at them valid.

There's lots of reason for concern/criticism of the Texans. Attacking every single thing they do, and every component of the foundation they're trying to build this franchise on smacks of throwing everything you can against the wall to see what sticks.

HuttoKarl
11-04-2010, 08:54 AM
I wish the Texans would have claimed him even if they had no intention of playing him , just keep him inactive ..... for nothing else other than to keep him away from a rival ...

I think Tennessee had waiver priority on us so it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

JB
11-04-2010, 09:04 AM
I think Tennessee had waiver priority on us so it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

No, they didn't.

Blake
11-04-2010, 10:13 AM
Texan homering at it's finest. Be happy with all the Antonio Smiths in the world, they sure aren't making us go to the playoffs anytime soon. At least in all of the years Kubiak has been a coach.

You realize that you are talking about our most consistent D lineman right?

:tiphat:

Texas T
11-04-2010, 10:16 AM
There's a couple of different ways to build a winner, and there's lots of high profile FA signings that have fallen far short of the teams hopes and expectations.

I'm guessing that at no point in the last several years has a thread of this nature shown up on any Washington Redskin MB, although a "Will the Redskins ever start to build from the draft" thread may have.

I've said before, the only recent "high profile" FA acquisition to pay off in a Super Bowl title was Drew Brees with the Saints. And even he was a guy who had interest from only two teams, and one of them deemed Daunte Culpepper the better option and went in that direction.

Other SB winners in the last few years include the Steelers- 2 times (who are far more known for letting high profile FA's walk than bringing them in)the Giants (who you could argue picked up Plaxico Burress three years earlier, but it wasn't exactly high profile at the time), The Colts (who haven't signed even a mid-profile FA in years) The Pats - 3 times (Teams that were built almost exclusively from within).

While it's really easy to look at where the Texans are, and say you whatever you're doing, you should start doing the opposite, the reality is that the method they've chosen to build a franchise is proven and has shown to be effective in numerous instances. I know that right now lots and lots of folks have chosen to take on the role of a hammer when it comes to their viewpoint of the Texans, and you know that when you're a hammer - pretty much everything looks like a nail. Just because the Texans may very well be deserving of criticism, that doesn't make every criticism that's thrown at them valid.

There's lots of reason for concern/criticism of the Texans. Attacking every single thing they do, and every component of the foundation they're trying to build this franchise on smacks of throwing everything you can against the wall to see what sticks.

I don't disagree with anything here.
The difference is how the players are used and coached.
There's a huge difference in these two categories between all these teams.

drs23
11-04-2010, 11:38 AM
There's a couple of different ways to build a winner, and there's lots of high profile FA signings that have fallen far short of the teams hopes and expectations.

I'm guessing that at no point in the last several years has a thread of this nature shown up on any Washington Redskin MB, although a "Will the Redskins ever start to build from the draft" thread may have.

I've said before, the only recent "high profile" FA acquisition to pay off in a Super Bowl title was Drew Brees with the Saints. And even he was a guy who had interest from only two teams, and one of them deemed Daunte Culpepper the better option and went in that direction.

Other SB winners in the last few years include the Steelers- 2 times (who are far more known for letting high profile FA's walk than bringing them in)the Giants (who you could argue picked up Plaxico Burress three years earlier, but it wasn't exactly high profile at the time), The Colts (who haven't signed even a mid-profile FA in years) The Pats - 3 times (Teams that were built almost exclusively from within).

While it's really easy to look at where the Texans are, and say you whatever you're doing, you should start doing the opposite, the reality is that the method they've chosen to build a franchise is proven and has shown to be effective in numerous instances. I know that right now lots and lots of folks have chosen to take on the role of a hammer when it comes to their viewpoint of the Texans, and you know that when you're a hammer - pretty much everything looks like a nail. Just because the Texans may very well be deserving of criticism, that doesn't make every criticism that's thrown at them valid.
There's lots of reason for concern/criticism of the Texans. Attacking every single thing they do, and every component of the foundation they're trying to build this franchise on smacks of throwing everything you can against the wall to see what sticks.

Alright, Mr. ChampionTexan, this is not the time or the place to interject well expressed and sound reasoning :foottap:

Cease and desist and get your bar of soap. Color optional. :D

rep

houstonspartan
11-04-2010, 11:50 AM
Dammitt. My annoying-ass colleague who is a huge Titan fan asked me to come over to him. I did and, of course, he's talking major smack.

I really, really hate the Texans this week.

DexmanC
11-04-2010, 11:55 AM
Dammitt. My annoying-ass colleague who is a huge Titan fan asked me to come over to him. I did and, of course, he's talking major smack.

I really, really hate the Texans this week.

I've learned to keep my mouth shut at work about the Texans. Even
when they're doing well, they will outright HUMILIATE YOU at some
point during the season. A loss isn't just a loss with the Texans.
They try to get into The Guiness Book with the way the lose some
games.

GuerillaBlack
11-04-2010, 12:08 PM
We build through the draft we follow the same model has Pittsburg and the Pats

I say thats a pretty good model to Copy ..............

It is, but the Steelers and Pats have good coaching. The Texans have sorry ass coaching.

RTP2110
11-04-2010, 05:42 PM
It is, but the Steelers and Pats have good coaching. The Texans have sorry ass coaching.

Exactly. Those teams that are perennially on top without big free agent signings (IND, PIT, NE) do 2 things really well. They draft well, and they coach their guys up. Sure, we're trying to follow a winning formula, but our drafting is not good enough, and as you mentioned, the Texans have sorry ass coaching.

Texan JBZ
11-06-2010, 11:47 PM
Sorry I couldn't get back at some the responses earlier. Life is hectic! But anyway..

For all of you claiming or comparing the Texans personnel approach to that of the Colts, Steelers, and Pats - get f'king real! Are you guys on mushrooms? I'll address the Colts first because some of you may not see them how I do. The Colts ARE NOT that talented personnel wise. The Texans have a ton more talent than the Colts from a personnel standpoint. Peyton Manning is the equivalent, though, of a 3" coat of powdered sugar covering up a turd. That's a 4-12 team at best without Peyton at the helm.

The Steelers are an entirely different story. The only organization ran as well from a personnel standpoint is the Ravens. Just look at their roster. Harrison, Ward, Big Ben, Miller, Wallace, Smith, Keisel, Timmons, Woodley, Hampton, Hood, Clark, Palomalu, Pouncey, Mendenhall, Taylor - all drafted by the Steelers. To even put the Texans and how they run things in comparison with the Steelers is utterly reprehensible!

The Pats just have a damn HOF coach. He's the best in the game, hands down. They don't have extraordinary personnel like the Steeler, but Billy gets the best out of his players. He does what wins. He's Kubes Agent Smith!

beerlover
11-07-2010, 12:22 AM
Sorry I couldn't get back at some the responses earlier. Life is hectic! But anyway..

For all of you claiming or comparing the Texans personnel approach to that of the Colts, Steelers, and Pats - get f'king real! Are you guys on mushrooms? I'll address the Colts first because some of you may not see them how I do. The Colts ARE NOT that talented personnel wise. The Texans have a ton more talent than the Colts from a personnel standpoint. Peyton Manning is the equivalent, though, of a 3" coat of powdered sugar covering up a turd. That's a 4-12 team at best without Peyton at the helm.

The Steelers are an entirely different story. The only organization ran as well from a personnel standpoint is the Ravens. Just look at their roster. Harrison, Ward, Big Ben, Miller, Wallace, Smith, Keisel, Timmons, Woodley, Hampton, Hood, Clark, Palomalu, Pouncey, Mendenhall, Taylor - all drafted by the Steelers. To even put the Texans and how they run things in comparison with the Steelers is utterly reprehensible!

The Pats just have a damn HOF coach. He's the best in the game, hands down. They don't have extraordinary personnel like the Steeler, but Billy gets the best out of his players. He does what wins. He's Kubes Agent Smith!

I find this a real intersting take. might as well throw in the Giants, Eagles & Saints while your at it. The Giants have made a living off their front four with quality depth to sustain otherwise crippling injurys to front line players. The Eagles draft defense, period. then they take a chance on Michael Vick, I think your going to see Philadelphia overcome Peyton with pressure & ball control tomorrow, something the Texans failed to do last week. All the Saints did was win the Super Bowl last year starting with a new head coach & bringing in free agent Drew Brees. Do you remember 2005-2006 the Saints & Texans where picking virtually together during those down/rebuilding drafts?

define splash move :kubepalm:

houstonspartan
11-07-2010, 01:21 AM
Sorry I couldn't get back at some the responses earlier. Life is hectic! But anyway..

For all of you claiming or comparing the Texans personnel approach to that of the Colts, Steelers, and Pats - get f'king real! Are you guys on mushrooms? I'll address the Colts first because some of you may not see them how I do. The Colts ARE NOT that talented personnel wise. The Texans have a ton more talent than the Colts from a personnel standpoint. Peyton Manning is the equivalent, though, of a 3" coat of powdered sugar covering up a turd. That's a 4-12 team at best without Peyton at the helm.

The Steelers are an entirely different story. The only organization ran as well from a personnel standpoint is the Ravens. Just look at their roster. Harrison, Ward, Big Ben, Miller, Wallace, Smith, Keisel, Timmons, Woodley, Hampton, Hood, Clark, Palomalu, Pouncey, Mendenhall, Taylor - all drafted by the Steelers. To even put the Texans and how they run things in comparison with the Steelers is utterly reprehensible!The Pats just have a damn HOF coach. He's the best in the game, hands down. They don't have extraordinary personnel like the Steeler, but Billy gets the best out of his players. He does what wins. He's Kubes Agent Smith!

I was astonished when someone told me that the Steelers have had only three coaches in 40 years. On top of that, they have had only 16 coaches in the teams entire existence, which is something like 75 years, I think.

That is just astonishing.