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silvrhand
11-02-2010, 07:36 AM
where art thou Mario???

Could you please find your A game in a big game that we need you? You didn't get double teamed the entire night you just sucked it up when we needed you the most to make a big play.. See big time players make big time plays when it's time, the closers for the Colts closed the game while you sat on the bench..

Wolf6151
11-02-2010, 08:55 AM
Agreed. Mario got a couple QB pressures but for the most part was nonexistent like our DT's. Mario is overrated.

panamamyers
11-02-2010, 08:59 AM
Mario showed up to the best of his ability. He's just not very good.
It's time to just call it like it is with him. He's not quick enough or savvy enough to be a good pass rusher. He will get a few sacks here and there, but he does not provide any sort of consistent pressure at all. Mark Anderson was much more disruptive last night.

hobie
11-02-2010, 09:06 AM
During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.

Scooter
11-02-2010, 09:26 AM
for all his physical talent, all a team needs to do is make him think and mario's removed from the play entirely. where freeney knows what he's going to do before each play (or 2 plays ahead as he sets up each move), mario has to stop and figure out his next move after the snap. absolutely zero natural instinct inside of a body sculpted perfectly for the role.

last night he was very vocal on the field, trying to help align the line. that is the LAST thing i'd want mario doing, regardless of who wants him to appear a leader. give that to smith until we get a legitimate nose tackle. mario's successes come from "brain off, you're A - get to B as soon as possible". he was most notably lost when he was standing up. that should've been a given to attack manning at the snap, but on most plays without a hand on the ground he paused to check the run before making a move on the tackle.

for his "unmasked" segment before the game comparing himself to a bull in the gates, he dang sure wasnt playing with the wild abandon needed for him to be successful.

V Man
11-02-2010, 09:58 AM
During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.

Thought the same thing when I saw that piece. (chuckled to myself "yeah right, will be lucky if I even see you make a play tonight now")

Texan_Bill
11-02-2010, 10:13 AM
Mario has a little Stacy McLady in him:


http://www.andrewgarvey.com/wizard/characters/Images/The%20Tin%20Man%201.jpg

El Tejano
11-02-2010, 10:18 AM
When is Mario going to learn that spin move that we know Dwight Freeney is going to do but still can't stop?

HOU-TEX
11-02-2010, 10:18 AM
The thing I blame Mario the most for is not taking it upon himself to better his attack arsenal. What moves does he have? A bullrush and that's it! Get some training and work on new moves. You're a beast, but you can't just go out and beat everyone one on one

steelbtexan
11-02-2010, 10:22 AM
Mario has a little Stacy McLady in him:


http://www.andrewgarvey.com/wizard/characters/Images/The%20Tin%20Man%201.jpg


True, LOL

Mario isn't even a pimple on Freeney's a**

The difference is the game of football means alot more to Freeney than it does to Mario. It's his job to get to the QB on every play. Mario doesn't play that way.

The1ApplePie
11-02-2010, 11:02 AM
Mario's a beast if he can bull rush his guy, a non-factor if he can't.

Same thing in college, which is why half of D'Brick's highlight films during the combine were him pimp-slapping Mario.

With 5 years in the NFL, you'd figure somebody would coach him to use a few moves.

TimeKiller
11-02-2010, 11:07 AM
Gotta admit that caged bull ESPN thing was uh...

Reggie Bush-esque.

Mario's a good player, just not a great player. Certainly not a dominate player. Borderline probowler. All the talent and none of the desire.

chicagotexan2
11-02-2010, 11:14 AM
Mario Williams - Cadillac body with a Yugo engine.

VTexan
11-02-2010, 11:30 AM
I have always thought Mario would have been a great DT. If anyone watches him the whole game, he does very little moves. He bullrushes and that is about it.

IDEXAN
11-02-2010, 11:36 AM
Mario is an outstanding strong-side 4-3 DE (or 3-4 DE for that matter), but he's not a quick-twitch weakside edge-rusher as Freeney most certainly is. Maybe Barwin was and still could be that guy for us, but Mario isn't and won't be.

beerlover
11-02-2010, 11:40 AM
I'm sick & tired of this 4-3 BS! The Texans need to switch to a 3-4 if that means firing Kubiak & Co so be it. I think Mario & Antonio Smith could be fine ends in this alingment. Cody would have to be NT for now, with Earl his back-up, time to move on Amobi. Use four LB's (DeMeco will return next year) but for now stand-up Cushing & Adibi slot Sharpton & Diles inside (Barwin would be the other OLB next year after rehab).

I'm sure Mario is frustrated too, proof is just watching him on the sidelines shouting @ Kollar or throwing his hands up on the field. He is not being put into a position to succeed, period.

drewmar74
11-02-2010, 11:40 AM
Mario is an outstanding strong-side 4-3 DE (or 3-4 DE for that matter), but he's not a quick-twitch weakside edge-rusher as Freeney most certainly is. Maybe Barwin was and still could be that guy for us, but Mario isn't and won't be.

Right. I agree with this and I've resigned myself to the fact that Mario is "meh" against the pass and really seems better against the run.

Kaiser Toro
11-02-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm sure Mario is frustrated too, proof is just watching him on the sidelines shouting @ Kollar or throwing his hands up on the field. He is not being put into a position to succeed, period.

I was not able to listen to the game commentary, but saw that interaction on the sidelines and would love to know what it was about.

The Cush
11-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Mario got some pressures but as usual, all Manning had to do was step up into the pocket because there was NO push up the middle. Yea he hasn't been that great the last couple of games but he's one of the only staples on that line and its better to add talent next to him than to replace him. Also, at the beginning of the game they said Freeney was held without a sack for the previous 4 games, these guys just go through stretches...

beerlover
11-02-2010, 12:46 PM
Mario got some pressures but as usual, all Manning had to do was step up into the pocket because there was NO push up the middle. Yea he hasn't been that great the last couple of games but he's one of the only staples on that line and its better to add talent next to him than to replace him. Also, at the beginning of the game they said Freeney was held without a sack for the previous 4 games, these guys just go through stretches...

and lay in wait to play Texans OL

No More 8-8's
11-02-2010, 12:54 PM
Mario...Mario, where for art though Mario?

badboy
11-02-2010, 12:55 PM
I'm sick & tired of this 4-3 BS! The Texans need to switch to a 3-4 if that means firing Kubiak & Co so be it. I think Mario & Antonio Smith could be fine ends in this alingment. Cody would have to be NT for now, with Earl his back-up, time to move on Amobi. Use four LB's (DeMeco will return next year) but for now stand-up Cushing & Adibi slot Sharpton & Diles inside (Barwin would be the other OLB next year after rehab).

I'm sure Mario is frustrated too, proof is just watching him on the sidelines shouting @ Kollar or throwing his hands up on the field. He is not being put into a position to succeed, period.Now you are talking BL! I blame Mario on the coaches not training him appropriately. Our coaches have no clue what to do with the players they have. If I were McNair, I'd move Kubes to "coaches assistant" to run the O. Drop the OC or re-assign him. Probably go hard after Wade Phillips for our DC and move this team to 3-4. Yes we will have to make some adjustments but this 4-3 is not getting us to SB. I think our corners would do much better and prob the safeties also. The difficult part of my plan would be signing the right head coach.

silvrhand
11-02-2010, 01:06 PM
Now you are talking BL! I blame Mario on the coaches not training him appropriately. Our coaches have no clue what to do with the players they have. If I were McNair, I'd move Kubes to "coaches assistant" to run the O. Drop the OC or re-assign him. Probably go hard after Wade Phillips for our DC and move this team to 3-4. Yes we will have to make some adjustments but this 4-3 is not getting us to SB. I think our corners would do much better and prob the safeties also. The difficult part of my plan would be signing the right head coach.

why does everyone think that a 4-3 can't win a superbowl?

datchapin
11-02-2010, 01:22 PM
Is this a serious thread? I thought the calling out Mario thread was bad, but a second one. Wow. The only guy on the line who's real stout against the run, that consistently has gotten to or close to the QB, that's who we go after? God, that's kinda sickening to see how widespread this attitudes gone and no one has really said anything against it. Somebody please remind me of Kollars success with D-lines. Kollars lines are known for being small, quick, and weak against the run. Mario is the anti-Kollar guy, yet he is having better seasons than Kollars type of guys.

This whole pile on Mario thing is getting tired. Grow the F up man it's a team sport! Big time players make big time plays.... how many sacks does Jarred Allen have this season? 1! 1 F-in sack, so don't give me that big time players show up every game!

datchapin
11-02-2010, 01:24 PM
why does everyone think that a 4-3 can't win a superbowl?

Bad short term memory. I mean the Saint's couldn't have won the SB last yr. Oh wait both SB teams has 4-3's last yr. wow. How quickly that's forgotten.

badboy
11-02-2010, 01:27 PM
why does everyone think that a 4-3 can't win a superbowl?
Did not say that. I said our 4-3 with our coaches is not getting this team to the Super Bowl. We have the talent, I predicted 12-4 but our coaches and our most recent draft is not getting it done.

silvrhand
11-02-2010, 01:28 PM
Did not say that. I said our 4-3 with our coaches is not getting this team to the Super Bowl. We have the talent, I predicted 12-4 but our coaches and our most recent draft is not getting it done.

Go hire greg williams?

hradhak
11-02-2010, 01:28 PM
A 3-4 is not the answer here. It's a 3-5 year transition to get the personnel, and that number is going to go up with all the other teams jumping on the 3-4 bandwagon. The fact of the matter is, there aren't enough 3-4 lineman coming out of college to make it possible for every team to run a 3-4.

I say stick with the scheme you have. Our defense is making improvements, let's see how the rest of the season goes before bailing on the system.

silvrhand
11-02-2010, 01:32 PM
Is this a serious thread? I thought the calling out Mario thread was bad, but a second one. Wow. The only guy on the line who's real stout against the run, that consistently has gotten to or close to the QB, that's who we go after? God, that's kinda sickening to see how widespread this attitudes gone and no one has really said anything against it. Somebody please remind me of Kollars success with D-lines. Kollars lines are known for being small, quick, and weak against the run. Mario is the anti-Kollar guy, yet he is having better seasons than Kollars type of guys.

This whole pile on Mario thing is getting tired. Grow the F up man it's a team sport! Big time players make big time plays.... how many sacks does Jarred Allen have this season? 1! 1 F-in sack, so don't give me that big time players show up every game!

Really so you don't expect the best player to show up for the big game.. Obviously you have your Mario goggles on?

Texan_Bill
11-02-2010, 01:40 PM
Really so you don't expect the best player to show up for the big game.. Obviously you have your Mario goggles on?

Exactly..

Last night was a perfect opportunity for Mario to shine, be dominant and show why he was the #1 pick... Instead all we got was a bunch of meh, average.

datchapin
11-02-2010, 01:46 PM
Really so you don't expect the best player to show up for the big game.. Obviously you have your Mario goggles on?

Really, so did Schaub show up for the big game? Did Cushing, Pollard, Brown, OD or Foster for that matter? Did all these guys play to their full potential last night?

JB
11-02-2010, 02:04 PM
Really, so did Schaub show up for the big game? Did Cushing, Pollard, Brown, OD or Foster for that matter? Did all these guys play to their full potential last night?

Yeah, Foster showed up. He averaged 6.8 ypc

I don't think it was his decision to only get 15 carries

IDEXAN
11-02-2010, 02:13 PM
I definitely prefer the 3-4 to the 4-3, but I think the Texans are more than just a NT from having the right personnel, and the NT is in itself the key to the front 7.
But we really don't have any strong candidates for the primary pass-rushing positions at OLB. Barwin is a candidate, but he's never played the position and his return is unceertain. Cushing is a 4-3 LB, not a 3-4 OLB even though he has some pass-rushing skills.

VTexan
11-02-2010, 02:44 PM
Is this a serious thread? I thought the calling out Mario thread was bad, but a second one. Wow. The only guy on the line who's real stout against the run, that consistently has gotten to or close to the QB, that's who we go after? God, that's kinda sickening to see how widespread this attitudes gone and no one has really said anything against it. Somebody please remind me of Kollars success with D-lines. Kollars lines are known for being small, quick, and weak against the run. Mario is the anti-Kollar guy, yet he is having better seasons than Kollars type of guys.

This whole pile on Mario thing is getting tired. Grow the F up man it's a team sport! Big time players make big time plays.... how many sacks does Jarred Allen have this season? 1! 1 F-in sack, so don't give me that big time players show up every game!


what season have you been watching man?


http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/29358/original/umad.jpg?1260037695

datchapin
11-02-2010, 03:02 PM
Yeah, Foster showed up. He averaged 6.8 ypc

I don't think it was his decision to only get 15 carries

So it's Marios decision to drop back into coverage? It's his decision if they run stunts or not? If he plays with his hand on the ground or standing?

I find it hard to believe I'm the only one sticking up for one of our better players.

The Cush
11-02-2010, 03:04 PM
and lay in wait to play Texans OL

haha aka any team dumb enough to let their LT, who hasn't played a snap in over a month, go 1 on 1 against him for majority of the game

datchapin
11-02-2010, 03:04 PM
what season have you been watching man?


http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/29358/original/umad.jpg?1260037695

Pls elaborate, I'm not sure what you're implying.

silvrhand
11-02-2010, 03:05 PM
Pls elaborate, I'm not sure what you're implying.

That Antonio Smith has been our best DL this year by a pretty considerable amount.

4x4tx
11-02-2010, 04:48 PM
Panama! Did you get tired of the Baytown Lee talk? haha

Mario showed up to the best of his ability. He's just not very good.
It's time to just call it like it is with him. He's not quick enough or savvy enough to be a good pass rusher. He will get a few sacks here and there, but he does not provide any sort of consistent pressure at all. Mark Anderson was much more disruptive last night.

badboy
11-02-2010, 04:51 PM
So it's Marios decision to drop back into coverage? It's his decision if they run stunts or not? If he plays with his hand on the ground or standing?

I find it hard to believe I'm the only one sticking up for one of our better players.DATCHAPIN, most of us on this MB are long time Texans fans and before that many of us followed the Oilers. We are trying to fairly criticize and evaluate many team members. This is just one thread and it is about Mario. If you know Mario as you seem to indicate, you know he is not living up to billing this season. He has been a very good player at times and then very ineffective at other times. No player wins or loses on his own, but to say hands off anyone of them comes across not so well.

Kimmy
11-02-2010, 04:51 PM
He's watching TV and quoting Antoine Dodson

What's the point of these millionaire match making shows? Is it just to say hey I'm a gold digger which dummy is just looking for eye candy
3 minutes ago via TwitBird

N will buy me stuff? I understand if at least both parties are millionaires but dang come on. You are so dumb u r really really dumb lol
2 minutes ago via TwitBird

http://twitter.com/Superjit90

Texan_Bill
11-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Johnny Harris just brought up this gem of a stat.

Mario Williams 1 tackle.... Vonta Leach 2 tackles on special teams.

CretorFrigg
11-02-2010, 05:44 PM
Mario Williams...

Standing at 6'7" and weighing almost 300 pounds, he sure has all the tangibles to be one of the greatest DEs in the NFL. Heck, he even sporadically flashes that talent he has.

The problem is that it seems like Mario Williams gives up at times. If he had the motor of Jared Allen, Mario would simply be unstoppable and dominate whatever O-lineman he's playing against. Sometimes, it seems like he just stops as if the play's over when he assumes he's been blocked and lost that round to the LT. If I remember correctly, during the game against the Redskins, Mario gave up on a play and McNabb threw a pass for a TD.

He is pretty good at run defense though. I think. I hope so.

SrslySirius
11-02-2010, 08:07 PM
wherefore art thou Mario???

Fixed that for you. Good grief.

wagonhed
11-02-2010, 08:28 PM
For the life of me I don't understand this. Mario Williams is outstanding against the run and formidable in the pass rush. I don't remember the exact number but I believe he is in the top 5 for most sacks since he entered the league, and he gets no help. Well, now he is getting help from Antonio Smith. But seriously, who would yall take over Mario Williams, besides Dwight Freeney apparently?

Just cause he doesn't have a sack in every game doesn't mean he is shit. Seriously. Get real.

datchapin
11-02-2010, 08:37 PM
That Antonio Smith has been our best DL this year by a pretty considerable amount.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion when their stats are very similar with the exception that Mario has twice as many sacks.

datchapin
11-02-2010, 08:56 PM
DATCHAPIN, most of us on this MB are long time Texans fans and before that many of us followed the Oilers. We are trying to fairly criticize and evaluate many team members. This is just one thread and it is about Mario. If you know Mario as you seem to indicate, you know he is not living up to billing this season. He has been a very good player at times and then very ineffective at other times. No player wins or loses on his own, but to say hands off anyone of them comes across not so well.

I don't know Mario. (Dunno how I indicated that, wasn't my intention.) I never said hands off, dunno if you were just taking that way. (again not my intention.) I never said he was living up to his billing, but my point is that he isn't the only one and I don't see any other players getting the same treatment as Mario.

The other thing is how much of that is on Mario and how much is on the coaching staff? I dunno, but considering I see poor play from everyone else on the D-line except a veteran who was brought here already established, I don't know where that line is drawn.

I'm not a Mario apologist, but to say he is being fairly critiqued, I'm not sure. Saying he isn't even a pimple on Freeney's a@@ or that he wouldn't even make a play after the unmasked segment. I dunno. I just wanted to state my opinion. I didn't do it on the Mario is a wuss thread, but I just wanted to weigh in. My bad.

BigBull17
11-03-2010, 11:56 AM
I don't know Mario. (Dunno how I indicated that, wasn't my intention.) I never said hands off, dunno if you were just taking that way. (again not my intention.) I never said he was living up to his billing, but my point is that he isn't the only one and I don't see any other players getting the same treatment as Mario.

The other thing is how much of that is on Mario and how much is on the coaching staff? I dunno, but considering I see poor play from everyone else on the D-line except a veteran who was brought here already established, I don't know where that line is drawn.

I'm not a Mario apologist, but to say he is being fairly critiqued, I'm not sure. Saying he isn't even a pimple on Freeney's a@@ or that he wouldn't even make a play after the unmasked segment. I dunno. I just wanted to state my opinion. I didn't do it on the Mario is a wuss thread, but I just wanted to weigh in. My bad.

That defense is so bad, who knows whats the problem. Is it the players, the coaching, or both? Who knows. I think my 9 year old nephew could break down our D in his coloring book. It's ****ing pathetic what we run. And a lil embarrassing.

sakebomb
11-03-2010, 01:04 PM
When is Mario going to learn that spin move that we know Dwight Freeney is going to do but still can't stop?

You have to have coaches that know what they are doing first.

marks01234
11-03-2010, 08:10 PM
Our DB's are going to need to force the QB to hold the ball longer than 3 seconds for anybody to get any pressure.

There is a reason nobody got any constant pressure Monday night. Peyton dropped back and immediately found an open player.

Mario did get doubled a couple of times and needs to find a way to make himself more of a factor but I don't believe he is the problem at all.

T3X4NS FAN
11-03-2010, 11:08 PM
If I can remember correctly Mario got OWNED by a few tight ends last year. I mean for someone who was and currently still is overhyped; he couldnt even bullrush a tight end one on one. Im scared to say it but he might turn out to be our version of Tony Homo. I honestly think that most of his "injuries" were "just in case" excuses. If he does bad well blame it on the injuries, but if he does good then he looks like a superstar for playing thru his pain.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 11:12 PM
Mario had 1 (one) tackle....


Vonta "the BEAST" Leach had two ST tackles...



That s**t ain't right.......

marks01234
11-03-2010, 11:35 PM
Mario had 1 (one) tackle....


Vonta "the BEAST" Leach had two ST tackles...



That s**t ain't right.......

What's your point?

Mario had a tackle for a loss. We had what - three of those all game?

The way he is lined up (outside of TE on a lot of occasions) he isn't going to get many tackles. That's fine. We don't pay Mario to tackle a running back 5 yards down the field.

You want to b*tch about his play - b*tch about the lack of QB pressures/sacks/tipped passes, etc. But tackles are an almost pointless stat for a pass rushing DE. Freeney had two tackles all game - care to suggest that he didn't make a big enough impact because he only had two tackles?

Mario has to get more pressure on the QB and to do that we need a secondary that can provide a few seconds of time to enable him to make his move and cover the distance. Mario beat his man several times on Monday - some to the inside, a lot to the outside and twice on a bull rush - every time Peyton was able to step up or released the ball well before Mario got close enough to effect the play. I'd wager that on 50% of the pass plays Mario or Smith could have been unblocked and Peyton still would have found the open reciever/tight end/running back with time to spare. That's not acceptable - nobody is going to make an impact like that.

BigBull17
11-04-2010, 09:49 AM
What's your point?

Mario had a tackle for a loss. We had what - three of those all game?

The way he is lined up (outside of TE on a lot of occasions) he isn't going to get many tackles. That's fine. We don't pay Mario to tackle a running back 5 yards down the field.

You want to b*tch about his play - b*tch about the lack of QB pressures/sacks/tipped passes, etc. But tackles are an almost pointless stat for a pass rushing DE. Freeney had two tackles all game - care to suggest that he didn't make a big enough impact because he only had two tackles?

Mario has to get more pressure on the QB and to do that we need a secondary that can provide a few seconds of time to enable him to make his move and cover the distance. Mario beat his man several times on Monday - some to the inside, a lot to the outside and twice on a bull rush - every time Peyton was able to step up or released the ball well before Mario got close enough to effect the play. I'd wager that on 50% of the pass plays Mario or Smith could have been unblocked and Peyton still would have found the open reciever/tight end/running back with time to spare. That's not acceptable - nobody is going to make an impact like that.

Yeah, the D is such a total team cluster **** its hard to point blame.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 09:52 AM
What's your point?

Mario had a tackle for a loss. We had what - three of those all game?

The way he is lined up (outside of TE on a lot of occasions) he isn't going to get many tackles. That's fine. We don't pay Mario to tackle a running back 5 yards down the field.

You want to b*tch about his play - b*tch about the lack of QB pressures/sacks/tipped passes, etc. But tackles are an almost pointless stat for a pass rushing DE. Freeney had two tackles all game - care to suggest that he didn't make a big enough impact because he only had two tackles?

Mario has to get more pressure on the QB and to do that we need a secondary that can provide a few seconds of time to enable him to make his move and cover the distance. Mario beat his man several times on Monday - some to the inside, a lot to the outside and twice on a bull rush - every time Peyton was able to step up or released the ball well before Mario got close enough to effect the play. I'd wager that on 50% of the pass plays Mario or Smith could have been unblocked and Peyton still would have found the open reciever/tight end/running back with time to spare. That's not acceptable - nobody is going to make an impact like that.

My point is......... Mario had one tackle.


:cricket:



:cricket:


Did ya get that? ONE... O - N - E tackle.

That's my point!

We don't pay him to make tackles 5 yards down field? Whaaaaa???

WE pay him to make plays. We pay him to be a dominant force whether against the pass or run. He was a huge FAIL in both regards.

BigBull17
11-04-2010, 10:01 AM
My point is......... Mario had one tackle.


:cricket:



:cricket:


Did ya get that? ONE... O - N - E tackle.

That's my point!

We don't pay him to make tackles 5 yards down field? Whaaaaa???

WE pay him to make plays. We pay him to be a dominant force whether against the pass or run. He was a huge FAIL in both regards.

I could name at least 8 guys on that defense who did less. Schaub had a way worse game. The coach had a worse game then all of them. Mario got pressures, Anderson got the sack, who else did anything? Cushing is proving everyday that he is a roid junkie, with one awful game after another. Diles couldn't lace up a real LBers shoes. Pollard is in an interesting place where he can't cover AND misses tackles. It's almost laughable at how bad and simple our defense is. To nlame one guy is a joke, regardless of what you expect of him.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 10:06 AM
I could name at least 8 guys on that defense who did less. Schaub had a way worse game. The coach had a worse game then all of them. Mario got pressures, Anderson got the sack, who else did anything? Cushing is proving everyday that he is a roid junkie, with one awful game after another. Diles couldn't lace up a real LBers shoes. Pollard is in an interesting place where he can't cover AND misses tackles. It's almost laughable at how bad and simple our defense is. To nlame one guy is a joke, regardless of what you expect of him.

True, in fact I would say 9 other guys. Eugene Wilson of all people was about the only one who did show up... Does that somehow excuse Mario's lack of presence?? No.

Schaub had a terrible game (also true), at the same time he's had some good games this season. Other than game 1 v. the Colts when has Mario had a really good game?? I wish people would quit deflecting criticism of Mario and his being called out (because that's the real "joke"). He was a #1 overall draft pick and your highest paid defensive player. He needs to be held accountable. What the joke is people who don't recognize that people like me have plenty of criticism to go around, but we call out supposed team leaders. The big dollar guys. The #1 draft choices who dissappear and who play with a lack of heart - i.e. Mario Williams... That's the joke!!!

badboy
11-04-2010, 10:58 AM
For the life of me I don't understand this. Mario Williams is outstanding against the run and formidable in the pass rush. I don't remember the exact number but I believe he is in the top 5 for most sacks since he entered the league, and he gets no help. Well, now he is getting help from Antonio Smith. But seriously, who would yall take over Mario Williams, besides Dwight Freeney apparently?

Just cause he doesn't have a sack in every game doesn't mean he is shit. Seriously. Get real.No one seems to be saying this Wagonhed. We are evaluating him on this season but he does have history of not going 100% all game. He had help last year from Barwin, Smith and our LBs. Remember our last two DROYs Cushing and Ryans? While the LBs have not been there this season Okoye has looked better the last two games as has Smith. Anderson got a sack and the few times I was able to observe him he did pretty well. Mario was not drafted to do well against the run. He was signed to raise havoc and disrupt the QB. SACKs! My evaluation of that ability depends on the game.

silvrhand
11-04-2010, 11:42 PM
Hold on let me put these on..

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_nflC3MjlMBI/TNN8up27yGI/AAAAAAAADcI/GywjX3nUpTM/mario-goggles.jpg

Ahh ok now everything looks ok! GO GO SUPER MARIO YOU ARE GREAT!

BullNation4Life
11-05-2010, 08:24 AM
True, in fact I would say 9 other guys. Eugene Wilson of all people was about the only one who did show up... Does that somehow excuse Mario's lack of presence?? No.

Schaub had a terrible game (also true), at the same time he's had some good games this season. Other than game 1 v. the Colts when has Mario had a really good game?? I wish people would quit deflecting criticism of Mario and his being called out (because that's the real "joke"). He was a #1 overall draft pick and your highest paid defensive player. He needs to be held accountable. What the joke is people who don't recognize that people like me have plenty of criticism to go around, but we call out supposed team leaders. The big dollar guys. The #1 draft choices who disappear and who play with a lack of heart - i.e. Mario Williams... That's the joke!!!

Guess you missed the 3 sack performance in Washington, huh? The fact you are trying to call him out is the real joke.

EVERY great DE had really good DT to push up the middle. When Mario got his sacks this year, it was Antonio Smith pushing up the middle where the QB had no place to go. Mario, just like Freeney and Mathis and the other great DE go to a spot where the QB is going to be, ie 5 step and 7 step drops, and if the QB steps up, it because the DT didn't do their job. Had you payed closer attention, you would have noticed that Freeney and Mathis got great push from their DT up the middle and Schaub had no where to go. That is where the success comes from, not just a DE making a great play one-on-one. This is also why Jason Babin, YES THAT JASON BABIN, is having the season he is having in Tennessee, because of the Titans DTs flushing out QBs.

Oh and Mario had only one tackle because the Colts threw most the night and ran away from him or up the middle on draw plays, which every team can on the Texans because there is no push up the middle. His one tackle came from closing down in the middle.

Folks around here measuring success on sacks need to learn a little more about the DE position. I see Mario flushing a QB out all the time, just nobody around to finish the job because they are being pushed 5 yards off the ball or out of position, thus making Mario look slow and that is the frustrating part. In fact, Mario shouldn't be the one flushing out the QB, it should be the DTs with Mario and Smith cleaning up for the sacks, but we all know why that doesn't happen. Don't know if it is scheme, which has alot to do with it, or players but to blame Mario completely is simply asinine....

silvrhand
11-05-2010, 09:32 AM
blah blah mario is the best blah blah it's not mario's fault blah blah..



Players step up, players make plays, everyone else just makes excuses. Be a player make plays, not excuses. (Example: Freeney destroying our offensive line)

That's what Mario needs to do along with the rest of our defense.

dc_txtech
11-05-2010, 10:15 AM
Mario has just as many sacks as Dwight Freeney this season, and since he came into the league in 06 he has more sacks than Freeney.

Just sayin...

The1ApplePie
11-05-2010, 11:02 AM
I think Mario has put up good stats considering he plays with the worst DTs in football and has never be paired with a great pass rusher on the other side. Mark Anderson is a beast of a pure pass rusher and should help Mario a lot more as he get's playing time.

At the end of the day, outside Antonio Smith and Mark Anderson, Mario's supporting cast is a bust (Amboi), a fatass (Okam), a never was (Cody), and a rookie.

badboy
11-05-2010, 11:13 AM
Mario has just as many sacks as Dwight Freeney this season, and since he came into the league in 06 he has more sacks than Freeney.

Just sayin...You are missing the point of the thread. It is not just about numbers or we'd all be chortling at having a 4-3 record. It is about how the team is playing and in this specific thread, how Mario Williams is playing. Many of us think we are not getting the best out of this player. For example Schaub is having a pretty good year statistically but not what we want based upon what he did last year. Freeney could be having a down year also, but he did great against Texans. If Mario had 2 sacks against the Colts and performed well the entire game, this thread would not be here.

dc_txtech
11-05-2010, 12:19 PM
You are missing the point of the thread. It is not just about numbers or we'd all be chortling at having a 4-3 record. It is about how the team is playing and in this specific thread, how Mario Williams is playing. Many of us think we are not getting the best out of this player. For example Schaub is having a pretty good year statistically but not what we want based upon what he did last year. Freeney could be having a down year also, but he did great against Texans. If Mario had 2 sacks against the Colts and performed well the entire game, this thread would not be here.

My point was that the expectations set on Mario by the fanbase seem unfair to me. There are so many things wrong with this team other than Mario, yet he seems to draw the ire of the fans more than anyone else.

Everybody is pointing to Freeney as some time of legendary figure who averages 5 sacks a game and Mario could never live up to his legacy. When the fact is that Mario has been just as good and arguably better than Freeney. In the 4 games before the Colts played the Texans Freeney got 4 tackles and 0 sacks, yet I doubt if the Colts fanbase was calling him lazy and overhyped.

But we have this thread at least once a season so I can't say I'm surprised.

badboy
11-05-2010, 01:38 PM
My point was that the expectations set on Mario by the fanbase seem unfair to me. There are so many things wrong with this team other than Mario, yet he seems to draw the ire of the fans more than anyone else.
Everybody is pointing to Freeney as some time of legendary figure who averages 5 sacks a game and Mario could never live up to his legacy. When the fact is that Mario has been just as good and arguably better than Freeney. In the 4 games before the Colts played the Texans Freeney got 4 tackles and 0 sacks, yet I doubt if the Colts fanbase was calling him lazy and overhyped.

But we have this thread at least once a season so I can't say I'm surprised.Have you read any of the other threads at all? I, alone have talked about JJ, Andre Johnson, Cushing, Schaub, Kareem Jackson, Pollard, E.Wilson and Eric Winston. You are accusing others of only speaking negatively about MW yet you seem to have on Mario colored glasses. Most expect more out of the #1 pick in the draft earning beaucoup millions of dollars over other players. I think you statement about Colts fans is probably inaccurate or would be if I were a Colts fan. Superstars are supposed to get 'er done.

dc_txtech
11-05-2010, 02:06 PM
Have you read any of the other threads at all? I, alone have talked about JJ, Andre Johnson, Cushing, Schaub, Kareem Jackson, Pollard, E.Wilson and Eric Winston. You are accusing others of only speaking negatively about MW yet you seem to have on Mario colored glasses. Most expect more out of the #1 pick in the draft earning beaucoup millions of dollars over other players. I think you statement about Colts fans is probably inaccurate or would be if I were a Colts fan. Superstars are supposed to get 'er done.

No, I said "he draws the ire of the fans more than anyone else", never said people only speak negatively about Mario.

What more do you honestly expect from the # 1 pick? He's an elite run stuffer and averages 10 sacks a season, all while having virtually no help on the D-line and a secondary that's consistently at the bottom of the league. It seems to me as though anything short of Reggie White type production is going to be considered insufficient to our fans.

Looking back on the draft, I would still take Mario first and the only players I would even think about taking above him would be Ngata and Dbrick. I would say that he has lived up to his draft position just fine so far. But that's just my opinion.

beerlover
11-05-2010, 02:15 PM
Texans scheme has not been the best fit for Mario & his teammates have yet to step-up next level so he can flourish. Football is such a team game, DL takes a collective group effort, no other elite pass rusher or dominant inside tackle allows teams to gameplan Mario & minimize his impact :mariopalm:

Texecutioner
11-06-2010, 03:17 PM
Mario is overrated.

Be careful. I dared to say this a few weeks back and got slaughtered by a few folks for it. Don't you dare criticize Mario. He was the #1 pick in the draft and he's our stud. He just plays around other poor lineman and that's the problem. It's not on Mario. :kitten:

beerlover
11-06-2010, 03:18 PM
Be careful. I dared to say this a few weeks back and got slaughtered by a few folks for it. Don't you dare criticize Mario. He was the #1 pick in the draft and he's our stud. He just plays around other poor lineman and that's the problem. It's not on Mario. :kitten:

damn skippy :mariopalm:

Texecutioner
11-06-2010, 03:25 PM
Sorry, but I do get a funny chuckle at the blind supporters of Mario Williams on this site at this point. The excuses that pour out for this guy are almost as bad as the stuff I hear about Yao Ming. Mario is a DE, but that's where it stops. He's not some world beater at the position. He's never been that crazy DE that finds ways to disrupt offenses on almost every other play like you've seen in some of Freeney, Strahan, or Jared Allen's best years.

marks01234
11-07-2010, 01:25 AM
No, I said "he draws the ire of the fans more than anyone else", never said people only speak negatively about Mario.

What more do you honestly expect from the # 1 pick? He's an elite run stuffer and averages 10 sacks a season, all while having virtually no help on the D-line and a secondary that's consistently at the bottom of the league. It seems to me as though anything short of Reggie White type production is going to be considered insufficient to our fans.

Looking back on the draft, I would still take Mario first and the only players I would even think about taking above him would be Ngata and Dbrick. I would say that he has lived up to his draft position just fine so far. But that's just my opinion.

Agreed +1

Rest of you guys are out of hand. Why don't we have these threads every week when Andre doesn't go over 100?

Texecutioner
11-07-2010, 03:04 PM
Agreed +1

Rest of you guys are out of hand. Why don't we have these threads every week when Andre doesn't go over 100?

Lol!!

:mariopalm: at the comparison to Andre Johnson.

Mario couldn't carry Andre Johnson's jock strap as far as rising up to the hype as a player at his position. That's very disrespectful to AJ.

BullNation4Life
11-07-2010, 04:06 PM
Lol!!

:mariopalm: at the comparison to Andre Johnson.

Mario couldn't carry Andre Johnson's jock strap as far as rising up to the hype as a player at his position. That's very disrespectful to AJ.

and AJ just lost the SD game for the Texans....

AJ is not untouchable....

Texecutioner
11-07-2010, 04:13 PM
and AJ just lost the SD game for the Texans....

AJ is not untouchable....

AJ didn't lose the damn game. He dropped a pass at a critical time in the game, but he;s by far the most reliable player this franchise has ever had. He's gone way beyond earning a pass for a play like that, and I won't criticize him one bit for that play. He knows he ****ed up, and he'll own it and come back with a vengence. No one doubts that on bit.

Where was Mario again in this game?? Ha?? The ****ing Chargers threw the ball all over the field once again without Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd. I don't even know who these WR's are on this team, and Rivers still torched us.

Mario Williams is overrated, plain and simple and this is another game where this team needed him to be a dominant pass rusher and he disappeared for long periods of time.

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 04:14 PM
So the criticism is that MW isn't a top 3 DE and he isn't Reggie White. Ok. Point taken. Real helpful.

b0ng
11-07-2010, 04:16 PM
Meh. If other players on the DL were actually doing things, then I'd be more apt to hate on him. But, he's the only guy who actually does things other than just being there so. . . Not worried about him.

Now if we were talking about how Okoye or Cody or Smith wre terrible I'd probably agree.

cain78749
11-07-2010, 04:19 PM
So the criticism is that MW isn't a top 3 DE and he isn't Reggie White. Ok. Point taken. Real helpful.He isn't even top 20.

BullNation4Life
11-07-2010, 04:20 PM
AJ didn't lose the damn game. He dropped a pass at a critical time in the game, but he;s by far the most reliable player this franchise has ever had. He's gone way beyond earning a pass for a play like that, and I won't criticize him one bit for that play. He knows he ****ed up, and he'll own it and come back with a vengence. No one doubts that on bit.

Where was Mario again in this game?? Ha?? The ****ing Chargers threw the ball all over the field once again without Vincent Jackson, Antonio Gates, and Malcom Floyd. I don't even know who these WR's are on this team, and Rivers still torched us.

Mario Williams is overrated, plain and simple and this is another game where this team needed him to be a dominant pass rusher and he disappeared for long periods of time.

Funny, Saw Mario moving Rivers around all day, yet Rivers could step up because there was absolutely no push up the middle by the DTs....

Oh and Mario was in on a sack but since he didn't get 5 on the day, he is overrated....

Learn what the DE position is about then come talk to me....

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 04:33 PM
He isn't even top 20.

lol. ok.

yeah I agree, he is probably like 45th or so out of starting DEs.

marks01234
11-07-2010, 04:47 PM
Mario was terrible today. He only got the one sack, he had missed the block letting Schaub get sacked and he dropped the ball at the end of the game.

He is the reason why we continue to lose. Maybe somebody will give us a 7th round pick?



Get real guys - He'll be going to the Pro Bowl again this year and is probably the AFC's best DE. Rivers and his WRs of the street have pilled up yards and points against everybody this season - did you really expect any different with our DB's?

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 04:49 PM
He isn't even top 20.

btw, please list 20 who are better.

cain78749
11-07-2010, 06:02 PM
btw, please list 20 who are better.
Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Justin Tuck
Richard Seymour
Julius Peppers
Osi Umenyiora
Trent Cole
Robert Mathis
Justin Smith
Will Smith
DeMarcus Ware
Aaron Smith
Brian Orakpo
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously)
John Abraham
Aaron Kampman
Shaun Ellis
Ray Edwards
Andre Carter
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy)

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).

wagonhed
11-07-2010, 06:04 PM
:kubepalm:

Texecutioner
11-07-2010, 06:09 PM
Oh and Mario was in on a sack but since he didn't get 5 on the day, he is overrated....

Learn what the DE position is about then come talk to me....

He's overrated. Again, I'm not saying he sucks. I'm not saying he isn't good. He is, but he's not the world beating DE that some of you try to represent him as. You're right that he would possibly be more effective on a team that had better DT's but that's a played out excuse for him since he's been here. The fact is that we don't have great DT's and that's not going to change any time soon. Great players find ways to step up and do "major" things even under tougher circumstances. Mario is not a guy that does that. He's the same guy that pro scouts said he was when they described him as a total world beater when he wants to be that takes plays off at times and doesn't always go 100%. When he does and when he's enraged, he's very dangerous, but we just don't see that side of him all of the time. He's 100% exactly what the pro scouts described him as when we drafted him.

cain78749
11-07-2010, 06:16 PM
:kubepalm:Under that facepalm are you pondering that great sack he had of VY on MNF? Of that great run stop he made to propel the Texans into the playoffs? How about the unbelievable tenacity to break through against Manning this past monday?

Heck, even Antonio Smith outperformed him today, even with that early stat-padding sack Mario picked up.

JB
11-07-2010, 08:29 PM
Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Justin Tuck
Richard Seymour
Julius Peppers
Osi Umenyiora
Trent Cole
Robert Mathis
Justin Smith
Will Smith
DeMarcus Ware
Aaron Smith
Brian Orakpo
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously)
John Abraham
Aaron Kampman
Shaun Ellis
Ray Edwards
Andre Carter
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy)

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).

Really? Really??? Just started following football recently did you?

gafftop
11-07-2010, 08:39 PM
C'mon guys Mario had a great game. Didn't you see his POSE in the first series. He is a stud. 1/2 sacks in four games

marks01234
11-07-2010, 08:58 PM
Jared Allen - Had a good today - otherwise one sack on the season. Plays alongside a great line. It's debateable
Dwight Freeney - Offers no run support and play opposite another great DE. Has benefit of O putting points up forcing other teams to pass 40+ times a game. Obviously Freeney body of work is outstanding however I'll take Mario today.
Justin Tuck - Given the talent around him explain why Mario has put up better numbers?
Richard Seymour - Hard to compare since they have been asked to do different things there entire career - Seymour obviously has had a great career but is probably past his prime right now.
Julius Peppers - Debateable but I'll take Mario. Has disappeared for full seasons at a time. Is more verstatile though. Wish Mario could learn to break passes up like Peppers. Has only two sacks on the season.
Osi Umenyiora - Given the talent around him explain why Mario has put up better numbers?
Trent Cole - LOL - worthless in run support
Robert Mathis - see Trent Cole
Justin Smith - Solid player but lets get serious.
Will Smith - See J Smith
DeMarcus Ware - Hard to compare a 3-4 OLB with a 4-3 DE but otherwise I will give it to you.
Aaron Smith - Ugh he is sackless on the season and has been beaten down by injuries. I know he is asked to do different things but do you honestly think he is better than Mario?
Brian Orakpo - Good player - again hard to compare guys that are asked to do different things - Not exactly a game changer though.
Elvis Dumervil (when healthy, obviously) - See Trent Cole
John Abraham - Past his prime right now but still steady. Not seeing where you could actually think he is better than Mario right now. Hope Mario can be as consistenct for his career though.
Aaron Kampman - See Abraham
Shaun Ellis - Good player who hasn't had a ten sack season since 2004. Why I am even bothering here?
Ray Edwards - Again had a good game today against Arizona but otherwise has done nothing this year.
Andre Carter - Past his prime right now.
Antwan Odom (again, when healthy) - Not worth even commenting

I'll admit there's some argument that he could be argued to be better than 3-5 of the above, so maybe I should've said "not top 15").

Still, he's not elite. Elite players make big plays in big games, they don't disappear during "must win" games and then reappear to pad stats after the stakes have lowered to moral victory levels (first non-losing season! haven't had a non-losing season in two years! 9-7, OMG, BEST RECORD IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!!!).



Ask for padding his stats. Care to mention where any of 6 sacks this year were not big? And we rarely if ever hold the lead in the 4th quarter where Mario can pin his ears back and get any padded sacks stats. Has Mario benefited from broken plays and help from the opposite side - sure but so has every other play on that list. Mario also caused a lot a broken plays that arent recorded on the stat book.

BTW, he did draw a double team a lot today.

silvrhand
12-03-2010, 10:23 AM
Anyone seen Mario, last I saw Mario was heading 15 yards behind Michael Vick by a backup Right Tackle, and sometimes by a TE..


:mariopalm: :mariopalm: :mariopalm:

NitroGSXR
12-03-2010, 10:48 AM
I am firmly off the Mario Williams bandwagon for one reason and only one reason... he's going to be expensive to retain. He simply isn't consistent enough to warrant us spending over 100 million. The Texans pass rush is atrocious. It all starts and ends with Captain Mario Williams.

Draft position here we come...

wagonhed
12-03-2010, 10:51 AM
I am firmly off the Mario Williams bandwagon for one reason and only one reason... he's going to be expensive to retain. He simply isn't consistent enough to warrant us spending over 100 million. The Texans pass rush is atrocious. It all starts and ends with Captain Mario Williams.

Draft position here we come...
The pass rush is bad.
It's our best pass rushers fault.
Therefore, we should get rid of our best pass rusher.


This is your logic? I'm glad you're not the GM.

NitroGSXR
12-03-2010, 11:07 AM
The pass rush is bad.
It's our best pass rushers fault.
Therefore, we should get rid of our best pass rusher.


This is your logic? I'm glad you're not the GM.

Well, I'm not the GM. I thought this was a board where we put out our random thoughts. What's with the jib? Incapable of being nice to people? Please don't maliciously summarize my posts so you can get your jollies off. This isn't the NSZ. Ok thanx. C'mon now wagonhed. I'm not trying to nor act like a GM.

chicagotexan2
12-03-2010, 12:24 PM
Mario's most dominant season won't come until his contract year. He's been good, sometimes better than average and occasionally plays like a dominant DE. But overall he's only good. Even though I hate the guy I wish he played like Jared Allen. He's the Texans version of Yao Ming minus the health issues. I expect much more than what he does.

burro
12-03-2010, 12:37 PM
I hate to beat a dead horse, but Mario is just poorly coached. If we had a halfway decent DC that could motivate him and maybe even teach him a thing or two, he would be an elite player.

NitroGSXR
12-03-2010, 12:56 PM
I hate to beat a dead horse, but Mario is just poorly coached. If we had a halfway decent DC that could motivate him and maybe even teach him a thing or two, he would be an elite player.

I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.

RazorOye
12-03-2010, 01:01 PM
But overall he's only good. Even though I hate the guy I wish he played like Jared Allen. I expect much more than what he does.

that last sentence could be applied to Jared Allen as well

I don't know how Jared Allen is an example of consistency - he has a tendency to disappear in some games entirely while blowing up in others.

Personally, I'd rather Mario over Allen. Allen benefits from a much stronger line than Williams has in Houston - put JA in a Texans uniform alongside the Texans' DL, and I don't think the guy merits a mention as a strong or elite DE.

chicagotexan2
12-03-2010, 01:05 PM
I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.

He may be poorly coached, but the guy has ability and doesn't seem to use it. I'd say as expensive as it might be I'd rather franchise him for a year or two instead of being handcuffed by a long contract.

NitroGSXR
12-03-2010, 01:19 PM
He may be poorly coached, but the guy has ability and doesn't seem to use it. I'd say as expensive as it might be I'd rather franchise him for a year or two instead of being handcuffed by a long contract.
Totally agreed. I'm thinking the new CBA or labor agreement will strengthen the player's position this time around... but hell yes... you tag Mario Williams if necessary.

I am only referring to a long-term contract.

Dishman
12-03-2010, 01:22 PM
During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's the coaching he's getting.

burro
12-03-2010, 01:31 PM
I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.

You raise a good point and I'm 100% behind franchising Mario if need be. If it comes down to Mario vs Arian, than I'll take Arian every day and twice on Sunday. Foster has certainly earned a big contract, the same is debatable in Mario's case.

chicagotexan2
12-03-2010, 01:37 PM
that last sentence could be applied to Jared Allen as well

I don't know how Jared Allen is an example of consistency - he has a tendency to disappear in some games entirely while blowing up in others.

Personally, I'd rather Mario over Allen. Allen benefits from a much stronger line than Williams has in Houston - put JA in a Texans uniform alongside the Texans' DL, and I don't think the guy merits a mention as a strong or elite DE.

I wasn't clear. I wish Mario played with Allen passion and edge. Mario doesn't have one. I also agree that Allen benefits from having the Williams' fatties. I am just sick of mediocrity up and down this team. I am by no means abandoning The Texans, I am just sick of another average season. I think we blew our wad early against Indy and WASH and we've been limp since then.

silvrhand
12-03-2010, 01:52 PM
You raise a good point and I'm 100% behind franchising Mario if need be. If it comes down to Mario vs Arian, than I'll take Arian every day and twice on Sunday. Foster has certainly earned a big contract, the same is debatable in Mario's case.

This sounds a lot like what people were saying for Slaton, he has to put up more than one year to get paid...

nero THE zero
12-03-2010, 01:55 PM
I think the criticism of Mario comes from unrealistic expectations. While there's only one Reggie White in this world, Mario plays with a great blend of pass rush and run defense. His credentials reflect that.

I think the biggest hindrance of Mario is scheming. While Antonio Smith is a Mario-lite, he's a bad fit with Mario. Instead of signing Smith, the Texans should have gone with a true RDE and moved Mario over to the left side. The whole "2 big DE" experiement was an utter failure, IMO.

So, while he's not Dwight Freeney in the sack department, he's also not Dwight Freeney in the run defense department. He's really good at both, but not great at either.

Mr teX
12-03-2010, 02:15 PM
I think the criticism of Mario comes from unrealistic expectations. While there's only one Reggie White in this world, Mario plays with a great blend of pass rush and run defense. His credentials reflect that.

I think the biggest hindrance of Mario is scheming. While Antonio Smith is a Mario-lite, he's a bad fit with Mario. Instead of signing Smith, the Texans should have gone with a true RDE and moved Mario over to the left side. The whole "2 big DE" experiement was an utter failure, IMO.

So, while he's not Dwight Freeney in the sack department, he's also not Dwight Freeney in the run defense department. He's really good at both, but not great at either.


I disagree somewhat. the guy is a stud surrounded by trash for the most part & this more than anything is what's holding him back from becoming the best DE in the league. He's on pace to record double digit sacks & if he does so, it will be his 3rd year in doing it in which 3 out of 5 years in the league he's produced this. The only 2 years he didn't do it was his rook year & last year .................. & he was hurt both years.

How many times have we seen him come within arm's length of grabbing the qb's arm for a sack fumble only to see the qb step up in a pocket that shouldn't even be there?

How many times has he had someone worth a damn opposite him for the O-line to be concerned with?

I'm amazed with some of the football iq's in these forums at times. Our secondary couldn't cover my grandma on a motorized scooter, & our LB/DB's "tackle" like they haven't ever played before, but lets talk about how sucky the only force on our d-line is b/c (insert lame excuse here).

nero THE zero
12-03-2010, 02:43 PM
I disagree somewhat.

No you don't. We're essentially saying the same thing. That's where I was going with Smith; his pass rush skills aren't enough to compliment Mario. He could use a pure pass rusher opposite him to push the QB his way more. That was one of my points.

leebigeztx
12-03-2010, 02:50 PM
I disagree somewhat. the guy is a stud surrounded by trash for the most part & this more than anything is what's holding him back from becoming the best DE in the league. He's on pace to record double digit sacks & if he does so, it will be his 3rd year in doing it in which 3 out of 5 years in the league he's produced this. The only 2 years he didn't do it was his rook year & last year .................. & he was hurt both years.

How many times have we seen him come within arm's length of grabbing the qb's arm for a sack fumble only to see the qb step up in a pocket that shouldn't even be there?

How many times has he had someone worth a damn opposite him for the O-line to be concerned with?

I'm amazed with some of the football iq's in these forums at times. Our secondary couldn't cover my grandma on a motorized scooter, & our LB/DB's "tackle" like they haven't ever played before, but lets talk about how sucky the only force on our d-line is b/c (insert lame excuse here).

Pretty much. The pocket should crumbled from the inside,yet when mario gets upfield, the qb just steps up. Thats why I've said for a long time, they need a pocket pusher and let okoye work off half a man. I also agree mario probably would be better on the left like starhan was with osi and put the speed guy on the right side. What posters also don't look at is how quick the wr get open because of poor cb and lb technique. They were talking about how quick romo was getting rid of the ball, then the following week, he was sacked alot and beat up. Go look at the roy williams play and the 2nd td to tutu of the chargers. There sin't a rush or blitz in the world that couldve gotten there quick enough. The wr was butt naked once the qb finished his drop. Perosnally, I would go get ron meeks from carolina,formely of the colts and just 1 gap and 2 deep in the back end to keep everything in front. If all mario and okoye had to do is rush the passer, they could be very,very good.

burro
12-03-2010, 03:34 PM
This sounds a lot like what people were saying for Slaton, he has to put up more than one year to get paid...

Having a good year is one thing, breaking franchise records and leading the league in virtually every rushing category is another. Arian has earned his pay as far as I'm concerned.

For the record, I'm not talking about an enormous amount, just something more fair. Foster is undoubtedly the most underpaid player in the league at the moment.

NitroGSXR
12-03-2010, 03:39 PM
Having a good year is one thing, breaking franchise records and leading the league in virtually every rushing category is another. Arian has earned his pay as far as I'm concerned.

For the record, I'm not talking about an enormous amount, just something more fair. Foster is undoubtedly the most underpaid player in the league at the moment.

Deja vu...

Chris Johnson.

wagonhed
12-03-2010, 03:40 PM
Well, I'm not the GM. I thought this was a board where we put out our random thoughts. What's with the jib? Incapable of being nice to people? Please don't maliciously summarize my posts so you can get your jollies off. This isn't the NSZ. Ok thanx. C'mon now wagonhed. I'm not trying to nor act like a GM.
it wasn't the nicest of posts, and I have no interest attacking you, I just think you're feelings for Mario are, well, dumb!

I mean, seriously, you're talking about how you don't want to resign him because we have a poor pass rush, but I just don't see how that makes any sense at all. It's your opinion, you're entitled to it regardless of what I think, but I would like to hear if you have a reasonable explanation for it.

wagonhed
12-03-2010, 03:41 PM
I can buy that he's poorly coached but we're talking about a lot of money. Won't Arian be an UFA by then? Will the Texans fix the coaching issues in time to save Mario? I don't know about that right now. Clock's a-ticking and the dollars are burning.

thing is dude, premier DEs always cost a lot of money. teams spend big on big DEs regularly because they are freaking important. Mario is important to this team, if we think we can get rid of him and bring in another Antonio Smith who gets paid slightly less yet without a loss of production we are in for a serious, serious surprise.

NitroGSXR
12-03-2010, 04:06 PM
thing is dude, premier DEs always cost a lot of money. teams spend big on big DEs regularly because they are freaking important. Mario is important to this team, if we think we can get rid of him and bring in another Antonio Smith who gets paid slightly less yet without a loss of production we are in for a serious, serious surprise.

Tact is something you should work on. I want to talk football. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted. You are calling a random fan out into a GM for saying something about the team and their failures. I don't want the GM job. I am the dude who's at his happiest screaming at the tv and rooting for the team in person every home game.

The thing is... Mario is another Antonio Smith (who is a fine football player!) who came out ahead in the Young/Bush media lovefest. As a result, he's going to have premiere teams build him his own Lamborghini dealership at his house. I don't see how we can afford to keep him.

Schaub's up, Foster's up, half the O-line corps will be up. JJ even. LB's are broken. All this around the time when Mario's up.

I firmly believe this was the year of Mario for Houston. Guess not. Oh well.

fiasco west
12-03-2010, 04:20 PM
Pretty much. The pocket should crumbled from the inside,yet when mario gets upfield, the qb just steps up. Thats why I've said for a long time, they need a pocket pusher and let okoye work off half a man. I also agree mario probably would be better on the left like starhan was with osi and put the speed guy on the right side. What posters also don't look at is how quick the wr get open because of poor cb and lb technique. They were talking about how quick romo was getting rid of the ball, then the following week, he was sacked alot and beat up. Go look at the roy williams play and the 2nd td to tutu of the chargers. There sin't a rush or blitz in the world that couldve gotten there quick enough. The wr was butt naked once the qb finished his drop. Perosnally, I would go get ron meeks from carolina,formely of the colts and just 1 gap and 2 deep in the back end to keep everything in front. If all mario and okoye had to do is rush the passer, they could be very,very good.

Pretty much.

I don't think some are being fair to Mario, no DE is in backfield consistently EVERY GAME like some want him to be.

You guys have to remember when you have McCain out there who gets beat the first second of plays it's really nothing Mario can do.

gafftop
04-30-2011, 07:13 AM
bump

Yankee_In_TX
04-30-2011, 07:19 AM
bump

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmk?

gafftop
05-02-2011, 10:56 AM
Just posted so y'all could remember what you said about Mario immediately after a game.

Malloy
05-02-2011, 01:17 PM
I'm so senile I'm not even sure what board I'm on at the moment!

gafftop
05-02-2011, 01:39 PM
Lol