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Texan_Bill
11-01-2010, 04:33 PM
I was just informed by ChildressTitanFan (a friend from another message board) that Blazing Arrow suffered a heart attack. His wife informed someone that share with Childress.... He was only 33 y/o.... RIP my brother.

Thoughts and prayers to his wife and entire family!!

JB
11-01-2010, 04:36 PM
How tragic! RIP Blazing Arrow!

steelbtexan
11-01-2010, 04:38 PM
How sad

Blazing Arrow was onr of the few Tack Fans that I enjoyed visiting with.

RIP Blazing Arrow

Blake
11-01-2010, 04:38 PM
Wow. So young. RIP.

TEXANS84
11-01-2010, 04:38 PM
Oh my god. Wow, scary stuff considering I'm 33 as well.

Rest in peace B.A.! Prayers for him and his family.

Brando
11-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Very sad news. Sorry to hear this. RIP BA.

MojoMan
11-01-2010, 04:43 PM
Very sad stuff. Rest in Peace, Blazing Arrow.

Hardcore Texan
11-01-2010, 04:44 PM
What a shock! I am speechless. I don't know what to say except may he rest in peace. Thoughts and prayers to his family and loved ones. Very tragic, that's way too young.

Wolf
11-01-2010, 04:45 PM
wow, R.I.P. BA .. I am shocked

thoughts and prayers for his family

ChildressTitanMan
11-01-2010, 04:46 PM
It was actually a friend of a friend who spoke with his Mrs.

He mostly visited this board to poke fun at your misfortunes. Sometimes it was a tough crowd but I think he won a few of you over.

:)

TexansSeminole
11-01-2010, 04:50 PM
That's very sad to hear. I enjoyed having him around, I can't believe he died so young from a heart attack. Very sad. RIP BA.

Rey
11-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Damn.

RIP BA....

gary
11-01-2010, 04:52 PM
OMG. How sad may he rest in peace thoughts and prayers sent to his family and friends tonight. BA will be greatly missed.

Hervoyel
11-01-2010, 04:53 PM
I loathed Blazing Arrow and this changes nothing about that but I am sorry to hear this happened and would never have wished anything like this on him. My sympathies to his family. 33 is a terribly young age to pass away. Far too soon.

toronto
11-01-2010, 04:53 PM
Very sorry to read this :(

Austrian
11-01-2010, 04:57 PM
Wow, that's a shocker.

RIP BA! And condolences to his family.

jaayteetx
11-01-2010, 04:58 PM
Wow, heart attack, was he overweight? Family history of heart disease? 33 is awfully young, that scares the hell outta me.

Double Barrel
11-01-2010, 05:00 PM
wow...what a shock. I've been wondering where our biggest Texans antagonist has been lately. 33 is way too young. RIP BA.

False Start
11-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Dang, that is just sad. RIP BA...... :(

PapaL
11-01-2010, 05:03 PM
All wishes and condolences to his family. He's in a better place.

Revolution
11-01-2010, 05:05 PM
RIP BA! Much too young...

CloakNNNdagger
11-01-2010, 05:05 PM
A sudden death is the most difficult for family and friends........no matter what age, but especially for someone so young. Prayers to all who have lost him in such an unexpected fashion.

swtbound07
11-01-2010, 05:06 PM
best wishes to one of my favorite internet adversaries. condolences to the family and friends, and titans message board community. He will be missed over here.

Showtime100
11-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Oh my. I can't believe I just read this thread. Terrible news. He helped me out last summer when our cat brought in fleas to the house. He was kind and generous with his help and him and I had a sort of forged a friendship.

From then on when he posted something disagreeable I always knew the sort of person behind the post and I could smile about it.

Rest In Peace BA. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.

Appeciate you Bill you letting us know.

BSofA04
11-01-2010, 05:07 PM
RIP BA. Way too young to pass away. Prayers to his family and friends.

gwallaia
11-01-2010, 05:07 PM
WOW! I'm sick hearing about this. I really enjoyed his visits to the message boards. I had a lot of fun going back and forth with him.

I pray that his family will be ok.

Ryan
11-01-2010, 05:08 PM
i thought this thread was satirical when i first saw it, but my heart sunk completely when i saw that it was real. Very tragic news. May he rest in peace and my prayers and condolences go out to his family and friends.

Carr Bombed
11-01-2010, 05:18 PM
I went ahead and let the Jag fans know, since He used to post over there pretty frequently...

This is extremely sad, at the age of 33 you still have your whole life ahead of you. That's way too young and not too much older than I am now.

drs23
11-01-2010, 05:18 PM
Shocking. RIP, BA.

Texan_Bill
11-01-2010, 05:19 PM
I went ahead and let the Jag fans know, since He used to post over there pretty frequently....

Good idea! Thanks!!

Texan4Ever
11-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Didn't know him but regardless, too young to pass away. Rest In Peace Blazing Arrow!

Hardcore Texan
11-01-2010, 05:21 PM
So we learned he was married, does anyone know if he had children?

gary
11-01-2010, 05:24 PM
This MB really is like a family I have not even met him but this has put a damper on my whole day.

TheIronDuke
11-01-2010, 05:26 PM
Terrible news. RIP

Texan_Bill
11-01-2010, 05:27 PM
So we learned he was married, does anyone know if he had children?

Yes. A daughter about 5 years old.

Obit:

http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Cobrands/ContraCostaTimes/Photos/Kian6.eps_20101001.jpg

Kian Shaun Harvey Resident of Concord Kian, beloved Husband, Father and Friend passed away Wednesday, September 15, 2010. He was born in Martinez on March 24, 1977. He attended Palmer School, Walnut Creek and graduated from De La Salle High School, Concord in 1995. He was awarded the rank of Eagle Scout in 1995. He attended UC Santa Barbara where he studied Chemistry and Economics. On June 21, 2003 he married Tammie Beth Wilson and on October 17, 2005 they were blessed with a daughter Amber Lynn Harvey. Kian was a great man with many interests and hobbies including the NFL with the Tennessee Titans being his favorite team, building and working on computers and gaming online with many friends. He enjoyed music and Bob Marley was his favorite. He loved to make people laugh and to spend time with friends and family. He was known by many for his great sense of humor and love for life. Not a day will go by that he will not be in our hearts. Kian is survived by his wife Tammie Beth Harvey, his daughter Amber Lynn Harvey, his mother Suzanne Harvey, and his Grandma Marilyn Harvey. A Memorial service to celebrate his life will be held on October 1, 2010 at 2:00 pm at the Walnut Avenue United Methodist Church, 260 Walnut Avenue, Walnut Creek.


ContraCosta Times (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/contracostatimes/obituary.aspx?n=kian-harvey&pid=145741887)

gary
11-01-2010, 05:29 PM
Yes. A daughter about 5 years old.

Obit:



ContraCosta Times (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/contracostatimes/obituary.aspx?n=kian-harvey&pid=145741887)
So, he passed amost two months ago?

Carr Bombed
11-01-2010, 05:32 PM
Yes. A daughter about 5 years old.

Obit:



ContraCosta Times (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/contracostatimes/obituary.aspx?n=kian-harvey&pid=145741887)

Great post TB...


He sounds like a guy who really had a good head on his shoulders. This is extremely sad, he had his whole life to live....just goes to show you how fragile life really is.

Brando
11-01-2010, 05:38 PM
I went to gotitans.com to pay my respects but couldn't because of the use of no free emails. I did find this nice write up about being a fan and tailgating.




link (http://www.tailgatermonthly-digital.com/tailgatermonthly/200812?pg=26&search_term=titans%20england&search_term=titans%20england#pg22)

Again, RIP Kian. My thoughts and prayers are sent for your family and friends.

stingray
11-01-2010, 05:40 PM
Wow, very sad news. Seemed like a good guy. May he R.I.P.

Texan_Bill
11-01-2010, 05:42 PM
I went to gotitans.com to pay my respects but couldn't because of the use of no free emails. I did find this nice write up about being a fan and tailgating.




link (http://www.tailgatermonthly-digital.com/tailgatermonthly/200812?pg=26&search_term=titans%20england&search_term=titans%20england#pg22)

Again, RIP Kian. My thoughts and prayers are sent for your family and friends.

PM Childress so that he can let TitanJeff know. I have a free email account also but he was able to get me registered anwyay.

Brando
11-01-2010, 05:44 PM
PM Childress so that he can let TitanJeff know. I have a free email account also but he was able to get me registered anwyay.

Thanks TB!

brakos82
11-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Talk about a small world.... one of my friends lives in his hometown (Concord), and they would give each other shit about their teams when they ran into each other.

spurstexanstros
11-01-2010, 05:51 PM
O my God.....I am heartbroken..this is horrible news

Double Barrel
11-01-2010, 05:54 PM
Yes. A daughter about 5 years old.

Obit:



ContraCosta Times (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/contracostatimes/obituary.aspx?n=kian-harvey&pid=145741887)

Thanks for the update, Bill. I know you and I had many go-arounds with BA, sometimes getting aggravated as all get out with his poking at our team. But, I'm sure you feel the same way that we never took it personal, and I don't think he did, either.

Sad that we ended up having more in common that we realized when he was alive, like him being an Eagle Scout and loving Bob Marley.

I hope his family can find peace and God bless them in this time of mourning.

TEXANRED
11-01-2010, 05:58 PM
Wow, shocked. Sad.

He was the only Titan fan I have ever given good rep too.

:(

spurstexanstros
11-01-2010, 06:01 PM
Thanks for the update, Bill. I know you and I had many go-arounds with BA, sometimes getting aggravated as all get out with his poking at our team. But, I'm sure you feel the same way that we never took it personal, and I don't think he did, either.

Sad that we ended up having more in common that we realized when he was alive, like him being an Eagle Scout and loving Bob Marley.

I hope his family can find peace and God bless them in this time of mourning.

Speaking as one who used to go to head to head with BA, we talked and I knew that he didnt take things personally and grew to repect him as a poster, we could rip each other and it was fun. he will be missed

so long to my friend...this season will not be the same.

( Bill I will join you in tribute at SD game)

SheTexan
11-01-2010, 08:54 PM
My heart hurts hearing about this! Football is one thing, but, real life is totally another. My prayers will be with his family and friends. Just to sad to talk about.

Shaft75
11-02-2010, 12:05 AM
Just sad. He and I always had our disputes, but my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. RIP

what happened?

imatexan
11-02-2010, 12:59 AM
This is just terrible.

How did we figure this out?

R.I.P. BA, I always argued with him but he was very welcoming at gotitans and will be missed.

brakos82
11-02-2010, 02:32 AM
ok BA, you've had your fun now, now put the site back together.

Showtime100
11-02-2010, 02:32 AM
My post I quoted shows up as this on the page for some reason:

"I salute you Belicheck. You evil, evil bastard."

Yeah, it's been happening with other threads so I wouldn't worry about it. Kevin knows about it. :)

EDIT: Given the nature of your post on this, of all threads I would've come back and explained too...lol.

daedge
11-02-2010, 06:10 AM
My first post here in so so long.

Very sad news, I have posted my condolences at Coltfreaks and will do it here now also.

Such sad news, It's great to check out the gotitans and also this board and see all the good posts about BA.

I have set-up and run a Coltfreaks Fantasy League through Yahoo the past 8 years, BA has been a member the past 3 years and believe it or not I was up against him this weekend. Before I found out the tragic news I was wondering how odd it was that he had not edited his line-up, I then found out his last visit to CF's was on the 2nd of September, 13 days before he passed away.

RIP BLAZING ARROW

NitroGSXR
11-02-2010, 08:10 AM
The little shit will be missed. I kinda figured something was up. Life's so short. Live, love, laugh. Condolences to his family and friends.

RIP fellow football fan.

hobie
11-02-2010, 08:47 AM
Damn.. May his family find peace soon and may he RIP...

infantrycak
11-02-2010, 10:11 AM
It was actually a friend of a friend who spoke with his Mrs.

He mostly visited this board to poke fun at your misfortunes. Sometimes it was a tough crowd but I think he won a few of you over.

:)

He definitely won some of us over. RIP. Sad to have lost him. Please pass our condolences along.

HOU-TEX
11-02-2010, 10:13 AM
Damn

chicagotexan2
11-02-2010, 10:15 AM
This is sad news. I liked sparring with him. He seemed like a good guy and he was paasionate about his team.

Texan_Bill
11-02-2010, 10:16 AM
Damn

Yeah bro, my heart sank when Childress PM'd me yesterday.

V Man
11-02-2010, 11:06 AM
Rest in Peace--Arrow

You will be missed.

Double Barrel
11-02-2010, 11:12 AM
I think he would've been blown away by the outpouring at Texans Talk. It says a lot about him as a person, as well as the quality of members here.

It sucked to watch us lose last night, but with this heavy news on my heart, it was only a game.

Texan_Bill
11-02-2010, 11:13 AM
I think he would've been blown away by the outpouring at Texans Talk. It says a lot about him as a person, as well as the quality of members here.

It sucked to watch us lose last night, but with this heavy news on my heart, it was only a game.

Great perspective, DB!

disaacks3
11-02-2010, 11:17 AM
RIP Kian (AKA Blazing Sparrow / Blazing Arrow) - we will miss the smack talk. My prayers go out to your wife and daughter. 33 is far too young to leave this world.

mattieuk
11-02-2010, 11:52 AM
Real sad news. Prayers out to his family, I hope they can take comfort from the support of so many people.

Hopefully he has Sunday Ticket up there to keep on watching.

Shaft75
11-02-2010, 12:30 PM
I just can't get over a massive heart attack at 33. That's terrible.

Man I remember him being our number 1 adversary in the smack forum. He always had a bassackwards view on things, but never backed down from an argument.

Texan_Bill
11-02-2010, 12:52 PM
I just can't get over a massive heart attack at 33. That's terrible.

Man I remember him being our number 1 adversary in the smack forum. He always had a bassackwards view on things, but never backed down from an argument.

Those days go waaaaaaay back, before the big merger.

badboy
11-02-2010, 01:04 PM
I don't recall any of his posts but I am so sorry to hear of his death. My prayers to God to comfort his family. Everyone take a moment to realize this could be any of us. Hug a loved one, smell a flower and gaze at a sunset. Realize that any bad day is a blessing and is not usually as bad as we think.

TEXANRED
11-02-2010, 01:16 PM
I think he would've been blown away by the outpouring at Texans Talk. It says a lot about him as a person, as well as the quality of members here.

It sucked to watch us lose last night, but with this heavy news on my heart, it was only a game.

You know I think that finding out about Blazing Sparro -er - Arrow (I would find it funny if I were him) is the reason I am not really upset about the loss last nigh b/c there are more important things in this world, like my 5 year old daughter.

Honoring Earl 34
11-02-2010, 01:20 PM
Sorry to hear that .

He and I talked about The San Jose Ca. area when we went out there . I asked him about the San Jose Giants and told him I wanted to watch a game . He said it was a blast and a great atmosphere and he went all the time .

Double Barrel
11-02-2010, 01:37 PM
You know I think that finding out about Blazing Sparro -er - Arrow (I would find it funny if I were him) is the reason I am not really upset about the loss last nigh b/c there are more important things in this world, like my 5 year old daughter.

I agree. As my son sat in my lap (not much room in that easy chair as there was when he was a 3 yo!) and I kissed my baby girl for the night, I thought those same thoughts.

Every day is a gift. Every hug I get from my children more valuable to me than any material possession or event. It sounds like a Hallmark card, but I honestly feel this way.

Errant Hothy
11-02-2010, 01:44 PM
RIP BA. My thoughts and prayers go towards your family.

One of the best opposing team posters to ever show up here, he will be missed.

mootini
11-02-2010, 01:46 PM
I saw your post there....Shocking at 33 too! My prayers to his family/friends





I went ahead and let the Jag fans know, since He used to post over there pretty frequently...

This is extremely sad, at the age of 33 you still have your whole life ahead of you. That's way too young and not too much older than I am now.

.

BattleRedToro
11-02-2010, 02:24 PM
I was just informed by ChildressTitanFan (a friend from another message board) that Blazing Arrow suffered a heart attack. His wife informed someone that share with Childress.... He was only 33 y/o.... RIP my brother.

Thoughts and prayers to his wife and entire family!!

I'm sad and shocked. I always enjoyed reading his posts.

DBCooper
11-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Unbelievable. Life is short enough, yours was way too short. See ya, Flaming Sparrow!

SeŮor Stan
11-02-2010, 03:34 PM
Really sad news. Prayers for his family.

Dread-Head
11-02-2010, 04:25 PM
I'm still trippin on how YOUNG he was. Seriously when a guy my age dies it's sad, but when a guy BARELY in his 30s passes away from something like this it's a tragedy. He's needed in here just like the No Spin Zone wouldn't be the same without Porky, Redzone, Axeman or Illini-Jeni

disaacks3
11-02-2010, 04:29 PM
I agree. As my son sat in my lap (not much room in that easy chair as there was when he was a 3 yo!) and I kissed my baby girl for the night, I thought those same thoughts.

Every day is a gift. Every hug I get from my children more valuable to me than any material possession or event. It sounds like a Hallmark card, but I honestly feel this way. that's how I felt when I got home from watching the game at Pub Fiction last night....the high point of the evening was getting a hug from my little girl and putting her to bed.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 12:59 AM
Yes... Are we kidding ourselves???? Just because Blazing Arrow gave us Texans fans a hard time should we not celebrate his ("****ing life with us") life!!! RIP Kian!! You left us way too young!!!! RIP Kian!!!!!!!!!!

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 01:01 AM
That said, read my sig!!!!!!

drewmar74
11-03-2010, 09:30 AM
I agree. As my son sat in my lap (not much room in that easy chair as there was when he was a 3 yo!) and I kissed my baby girl for the night, I thought those same thoughts.

Every day is a gift. Every hug I get from my children more valuable to me than any material possession or event. It sounds like a Hallmark card, but I honestly feel this way.

Who would have thought that Blazing Arrow would have sparked such careful reflection? Crazy stuff....

God bless you, BA, and your family especially! May the good Lord watch over your family until you are all reunited.....

Mr. White
11-03-2010, 09:46 AM
RIP, Blazing Arrow.

He kept us on our toes around here. He'll definitely be missed.

GuerillaBlack
11-03-2010, 10:07 AM
RIP Blazing Arrow. Left us way too young.

TD
11-03-2010, 11:48 AM
My heart goes out to his family; especially his mom and grandma. I don't care the age, I doubt there's any worse feeling than what they are going through.

Double Barrel
11-03-2010, 12:03 PM
Who would have thought that Blazing Arrow would have sparked such careful reflection? Crazy stuff....

God bless you, BA, and your family especially! May the good Lord watch over your family until you are all reunited.....

I try to carry that attitude daily. Life is short, and much too short to dwell in negativity.

BA and I had many heated go-arounds in the Smack Forum, but because we all know that that particular forum is all about smack (or at least we're all supposed to know that), nothing was ever personal. Outside of that forum, he proved to be a nice guy and we got along with no problem.

It does make you realize, though, that we do form bonds with 'anonymous' internet friends, and sometimes I wonder about folks that disappear from these boards and how they are doing. *cough*Vinny*cough*

drewmar74
11-03-2010, 01:27 PM
I try to carry that attitude daily. Life is short, and much too short to dwell in negativity.

BA and I had many heated go-arounds in the Smack Forum, but because we all know that that particular forum is all about smack (or at least we're all supposed to know that), nothing was ever personal. Outside of that forum, he proved to be a nice guy and we got along with no problem.

It does make you realize, though, that we do form bonds with 'anonymous' internet friends, and sometimes I wonder about folks that disappear from these boards and how they are doing. *cough*Vinny*cough*

Amen.

That attitude of valuing your time with your children is critical but not many people have it. Even those of us who do often lose focus because of life's demands. A situation like BA's, though, serves as a sobering reminder that every minute is valuable.

I think BA was the first person to ever bait me into going off on a tirade. He and pOpeYe (or something like that... another troll).

I just hate it for his wife and daughter.

Bulluck53
11-03-2010, 02:16 PM
Wow terrible, terrible news. Thanks for letting everyone know, I was wondering where he'd been.

RIP Blazing Arrow

infantrycak
11-03-2010, 04:03 PM
I try to carry that attitude daily. Life is short, and much too short to dwell in negativity.

BA and I had many heated go-arounds in the Smack Forum, but because we all know that that particular forum is all about smack (or at least we're all supposed to know that), nothing was ever personal. Outside of that forum, he proved to be a nice guy and we got along with no problem.

It does make you realize, though, that we do form bonds with 'anonymous' internet friends, and sometimes I wonder about folks that disappear from these boards and how they are doing. *cough*Vinny*cough*

Well said.

I have often used Blazing Arrow and Bulluck as examples of how visiting fans should behave and can be appreciated.

spurstexanstros
11-03-2010, 04:56 PM
Well said.

I have often used Blazing Arrow and Bulluck as examples of how visiting fans should behave and can be appreciated.

we should put a top ten Blazing Arrow smack down sessions with us or at least vs Texan Bill..those made my days on here sometimes..funny as heck

Texecutioner
11-03-2010, 07:52 PM
Sucks that Arrow is gone. He was alright with me. His smack talk was funny at times.

How does anyone know that he died?

JB
11-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Sucks that Arrow is gone. He was alright with me. His smack talk was funny at times.

How does anyone know that he died?

From the OP

I was just informed by ChildressTitanFan (a friend from another message board) that Blazing Arrow suffered a heart attack. His wife informed someone that share with Childress.... He was only 33 y/o.... RIP my brother.

Thoughts and prayers to his wife and entire family!!

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 08:21 PM
we should put a top ten Blazing Arrow smack down sessions with us or at least vs Texan Bill..those made my days on here sometimes..funny as heck

Man, we had some doozies. Shaft did too. That said and given the fact that Childress PM'd me to give me the news and ask that I post something, I would rather not..

People may not know, but Arrow was a member of TT going back before the big merger with the official dot com software.

Texecutioner
11-03-2010, 09:31 PM
From the OP

Heart attack at 33? Man, that's scary. One of my best friends died of a heart attack when we were both like 22. It was later found out that he had a heart problem. Never understood those kind of deaths man. Not at young ages like that.


Does anyone know of the proper type of check up to make sure that you don't have certain heart problems to where you can take measures to prevent stuff like this?

JB
11-03-2010, 09:36 PM
Heart attack at 33? Man, that's scary. One of my best friends died of a heart attack when we were both like 22. It was later found out that he had a heart problem. Never understood those kind of deaths man. Not at young ages like that.


Does anyone know of the proper type of check up to make sure that you don't have certain heart problems to where you can take measures to prevent stuff like this?


Find a good cardiologist and see him every year. Every 6 months if there is any history of heart disease in your family.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 09:44 PM
Heart attack at 33? Man, that's scary. One of my best friends died of a heart attack when we were both like 22. It was later found out that he had a heart problem. Never understood those kind of deaths man. Not at young ages like that.


Does anyone know of the proper type of check up to make sure that you don't have certain heart problems to where you can take measures to prevent stuff like this?

We as men, need to quit being the guys that we are. We tend to stay away from doctors. We have a hard time going to hospitals (even if to visit a close friend that suffered a major stroke).... BUT You have to. I've made it a point to at the very least, get a yearly check up, including blood work, a chest x-ray and an EKG (I think it is... the one where they put like 13 probes or whatever all over your body)...


It was this process that encouraged me about 16 or 17 months ago, to drop around 48 pounds. My cholesterol was out of whack. My Triglycerides were over 600 (they're supposed to be under 150) and my blood pressure was hovering around "pre-hypertension"...

Since then, like I said, I lost 48 pounds. My BP is in check (although it spikes at times), Triglycerides are waaaaay down. Not where they should be, but I cut that 6+ in half and finally cholesterol is down to 159......


Sorry for the long, drawn out BS......... BOTTOM LINE. Get checked out regularly!!!

steelbtexan
11-03-2010, 09:54 PM
Wow terrible, terrible news. Thanks for letting everyone know, I was wondering where he'd been.

RIP Blazing Arrow

Bulluck53 your going to have to step up your game now.

BA you will be missed.

steelbtexan
11-03-2010, 09:56 PM
We as men, need to quit being the guys that we are. We tend to stay away from doctors. We have a hard time going to hospitals (even if to visit a close friend that suffered a major stroke).... BUT You have to. I've made it a point to at the very least, get a yearly check up, including blood work, a chest x-ray and an EKG (I think it is... the one where they put like 13 probes or whatever all over your body)...


It was this process that encouraged me about 16 or 17 months ago, to drop around 48 pounds. My cholesterol was out of whack. My Triglycerides were over 600 (they're supposed to be under 150) and my blood pressure was hovering around "pre-hypertension"...

Since then, like I said, I lost 48 pounds. My BP is in check (although it spikes at times), Triglycerides are waaaaay down. Not where they should be, but I cut that 6+ in half and finally cholesterol is down to 159......


Sorry for the long, drawn out BS......... BOTTOM LINE. Get checked out regularly!!!

Cant rep you

But amen brother

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 10:20 PM
Cant rep you

But amen brother

Appreciate it....

**********


Oh and BTW, those of us 40 to 40+, get your prostate checked. I know it's awkward and whatever... I lost my father to prostate cancer about a year ago...

NitroGSXR
11-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Appreciate it....

**********


Oh and BTW, those of us 40 to 40+, get your prostate checked. I know it's awkward and whatever... I lost my father to prostate cancer about a year ago...
Awkward?!?! I'd rather die.

No thanks.

Texan JBZ
11-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Just noticed this thread. Very sad. Thoughts and prayers out to his family and friends. RIP Blazing Arrow

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Awkward?!?! I'd rather die.

No thanks.

That's sad... But no worries bro, I will tip my cup towards you if you (G*D forbid) ever succumbed to......... well, anything, bro!

brakos82
11-03-2010, 10:46 PM
That's sad... But no worries bro, I will tip my cup towards you if you (G*D forbid) ever succumbed to......... well, anything, bro!

There's at least 6 bad puns in this sentence.

Texecutioner
11-03-2010, 10:48 PM
We as men, need to quit being the guys that we are. We tend to stay away from doctors. We have a hard time going to hospitals (even if to visit a close friend that suffered a major stroke).... BUT You have to. I've made it a point to at the very least, get a yearly check up, including blood work, a chest x-ray and an EKG (I think it is... the one where they put like 13 probes or whatever all over your body)...


It was this process that encouraged me about 16 or 17 months ago, to drop around 48 pounds. My cholesterol was out of whack. My Triglycerides were over 600 (they're supposed to be under 150) and my blood pressure was hovering around "pre-hypertension"...

Since then, like I said, I lost 48 pounds. My BP is in check (although it spikes at times), Triglycerides are waaaaay down. Not where they should be, but I cut that 6+ in half and finally cholesterol is down to 159......


Sorry for the long, drawn out BS......... BOTTOM LINE. Get checked out regularly!!!

Yeah, I haven't had a doctor check up in like 8 years. I haven't gone though, because I don't have insurance, so I just typically stay away from anything that has to do with the doctor. I just make myself have a strong thresh hold for pain or discomfort. I have insurance coming in about two more months finally, so I'll get me a check up soon just to find all my levels on cholesterol and blood pressure and stuff like that.

Joe Texan
11-03-2010, 10:54 PM
First time I saw this May the Lord carry his family in thier time of grief

Texans34Life
11-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Didn't know him but regardless, too young to pass away. Rest In Peace Blazing Arrow!

This.

....and I'm sad for his passing at a young age. May he rest in peace and may God give peace to his family.

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 10:58 PM
There's at least 6 bad puns in this sentence.

:facepalm: Brakos!!

brakos82
11-03-2010, 10:59 PM
:facepalm: Brakos!!

Oh no, you're the one that said them.

:kubepalm: Bill!

NitroGSXR
11-03-2010, 11:06 PM
That's sad... But no worries bro, I will tip my cup towards you if you (G*D forbid) ever succumbed to......... well, anything, bro!

You know what's really sad? I heart TexanBill.

*nods head*

:fans:

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 11:08 PM
You know what's really sad? I heart TexanBill.

*nods head*

:fans:

Back at you, my brother!!!

Texan_Bill
11-03-2010, 11:10 PM
Oh no, you're the one that said them.

:kubepalm: Bill!

:gun: You're all ****ed up!!! :lol:

Hardcore Texan
11-03-2010, 11:36 PM
We as men, need to quit being the guys that we are. We tend to stay away from doctors. We have a hard time going to hospitals (even if to visit a close friend that suffered a major stroke).... BUT You have to. I've made it a point to at the very least, get a yearly check up, including blood work, a chest x-ray and an EKG (I think it is... the one where they put like 13 probes or whatever all over your body)...


It was this process that encouraged me about 16 or 17 months ago, to drop around 48 pounds. My cholesterol was out of whack. My Triglycerides were over 600 (they're supposed to be under 150) and my blood pressure was hovering around "pre-hypertension"...

Since then, like I said, I lost 48 pounds. My BP is in check (although it spikes at times), Triglycerides are waaaaay down. Not where they should be, but I cut that 6+ in half and finally cholesterol is down to 159......


Sorry for the long, drawn out BS......... BOTTOM LINE. Get checked out regularly!!!

I know this, but it is still very hard for me to follow this advice. I have an issue I need to get seen for that could possibly be serious and I haven't been able to convince myself to go.....no need to tell me, I know I am a dumbass.

GuerillaBlack
11-03-2010, 11:54 PM
I know this, but it is still very hard for me to follow this advice. I have an issue I need to get seen for that could possibly be serious and I haven't been able to convince myself to go.....no need to tell me, I know I am a dumbass.

My cousin was the same way. He said he had problems burping and would drink carbonated drinks to help him burp. He said he could feel the burp sometimes, but it wouldn't come out. Turns out, his arteries were clogging up (after FINALLY going to the doctor).

NitroGSXR
11-03-2010, 11:55 PM
I know this, but it is still very hard for me to follow this advice. I have an issue I need to get seen for that could possibly be serious and I haven't been able to convince myself to go.....no need to tell me, I know I am a dumbass.

You and I are in the same boat. My wife is actually extremely concerned but whatever. I have excellent medical coverage so that's not the issue... just don't want to be poked and prodded anymore. Had enough of people sticking their fingers in my ears for a lifetime. Now I'm supposed to let them go up the tailpipe? Right.

It is what it is...

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 01:46 AM
First time I saw this May the Lord carry his family in thier time of grief

Yeah, Joe, y'all people should know what the power of prayer means... Prayer works!!

Prayers to Kian's daughter and wife (and the rest of BA's family)!!!

HoustonFrog
11-04-2010, 09:37 AM
Found out from StarStruck about this and wanted to comment

This hits really deep on 2 fronts. 1) I never met BA but I really loved his stuff and I never took anything he wrote as vindictive. Just sounded like a fun guy talking noise to his rivals 2) I had, as many here know, a random heart issue that almost killed me at age 30 and then a surgery that came from the arrythmia it caused in 2008. If you didn't know the inital heart problem came from a virus I got..like the flu(I had chills and fever for 2 days)..that just attacked my heart. I had many symptoms talked about in here after the sickness went away....burping, chest tightness, etc...and ignored it until I couldn't anymore and then they told me my heart was enlarged 50%, it was out of rhythm and my ejection fraction or pumping strength was down to 20%. I survived and came back completely but many don't. A family friend of ours died from the same thing. I'm not sure what happened to BA but it could have been similar or it could have been a defect. So for all the guys out there, don't be macho. Your body sends you signals for a reason. If you feel "off" or have anything that doesn't jive, check it out. I'd rather be a little paranoid and careful than in serious trouble. They have incredible technology to see every little thing in your body now. Also, I'd recommend flu shots. I never got them until I had kids but I always wonder if that strain or whatever I got could have been prevented. It won't make you sick and it will protect you.

RIP BA. Prayers to your wife and child. I hope you got one big hug from both the day this happened.

Late

gtexan02
11-04-2010, 09:41 AM
Man, just as the Titans sign Randy Moss. I know he would have been here gloating about that, and rightfullly so. For as big an NFL fan as he was, its sad that he missed out on this

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 09:49 AM
Found out from StarStruck about this and wanted to comment

This hits really deep on 2 fronts. 1) I never met BA but I really loved his stuff and I never took anything he wrote as vindictive. Just sounded like a fun guy talking noise to his rivals 2) I had, as many here know, a random heart issue that almost killed me at age 30 and then a surgery that came from the arrythmia it caused in 2008. If you didn't know the inital heart problem came from a virus I got..like the flu..that just attacked my heart. I had many sysmptoms talked about in here....burping, chest tightness, etc...and ignored it until I couldn't anymore and then they told me my heart was enlarged 50%, it was out of rhythm and my ejection fraction or pumping strength was down to 20%. I survived and came back completely but many don't. A family friend of ours died from the same thing. I'm not sure what happened to BA but it could have been similar or it could have been a defect. So for all the guys out there, don't be macho. Your body sends you signals for a reason. If you feel "off" or have anything that doesn't jive, check it out. I'd rather be a little paranoid and careful than in serious trouble. They have incredible technology to see every little thing in your body now. Also, I'd recommend flu shots. I never got them until I had kids but I always wonder if that strain or whatever I got could have been prevented. It won't make you sick and it will protect you.

RIP BA. Prayers to your wife and child. I hope you got one big hug in from both the day this happened.

Late

Welcome back Frog!! Some of us were starting to worry about where you've been.

Double Barrel
11-04-2010, 11:15 AM
You and I are in the same boat. My wife is actually extremely concerned but whatever. I have excellent medical coverage so that's not the issue... just don't want to be poked and prodded anymore. Had enough of people sticking their fingers in my ears for a lifetime. Now I'm supposed to let them go up the tailpipe? Right.

It is what it is...

If you can't/won't do it for yourself, man up and do it because you're a father and a husband. This is bigger than you, and you've got to accept the responsibilities that you are taking care of others and they care for you more than you could ever know.

I give this advice out of respect and friendship, bro'. I've changed my life in many fundamental ways in the past few years, and my inspiration is always a constant: my children and my wife.

jaayteetx
11-04-2010, 11:20 AM
If you can't/won't do it for yourself, man up and do it because you're a father and a husband. This is bigger than you, and you've got to accept the responsibilities that you are taking care of others and they care for you more than you could ever know.

I give this advice out of respect and friendship, bro'. I've changed my life in many fundamental ways in the past few years, and my inspiration is always a constant: my children and my wife.

Good post, kinda derailing the topic but I had a coworker who died from a motorcycle accident bout five months ago. He was a notorious hard rider, going too fast everywhere he went. He had a wife and kids and now there is nothing but a widow and children who will live the rest of their lives without their father, a little girl who won't have her daddy walk her down the aisle. All because he was too selfish to stop and think about how his actions could impact those he loves the most. Sad, so very sad.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 11:27 AM
If you can't/won't do it for yourself, man up and do it because you're a father and a husband. This is bigger than you, and you've got to accept the responsibilities that you are taking care of others and they care for you more than you could ever know.

I give this advice out of respect and friendship, bro'. I've changed my life in many fundamental ways in the past few years, and my inspiration is always a constant: my children and my wife.

Awesomeness!!!

While I'm not married, nor do I have children, I take care of myself for my parents and my sister. My parents would be devastated if they had to bury their baby son. It's my job to bury them when that day comes.

This is why I fight the urge to not see the doctor and go and get checked out every year. I even get flu shots yearly now, which I never used to (see Frog's post about flu like symptoms that caused him heart troubles and near death)...

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 12:11 PM
Good post, kinda derailing the topic but I had a coworker who died from a motorcycle accident bout five months ago. He was a notorious hard rider, going too fast everywhere he went. He had a wife and kids and now there is nothing but a widow and children who will live the rest of their lives without their father, a little girl who won't have her daddy walk her down the aisle. All because he was too selfish to stop and think about how his actions could impact those he loves the most. Sad, so very sad.

I also ride hard. 3 arrests for reckless driving and counting...

Man... I'm doomed and a bad husband and father. Shows how little you know. Oh well.

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 12:13 PM
If you can't/won't do it for yourself, man up and do it because you're a father and a husband. This is bigger than you, and you've got to accept the responsibilities that you are taking care of others and they care for you more than you could ever know.

I give this advice out of respect and friendship, bro'. I've changed my life in many fundamental ways in the past few years, and my inspiration is always a constant: my children and my wife.
And I respectfully reject the advice. I wasn't looking for any. I'm not perfect but I'm a very good father and husband. Thank you.

Do good and be good is my mantra.

Double Barrel
11-04-2010, 03:20 PM
And I respectfully reject the advice. I wasn't looking for any. I'm not perfect but I'm a very good father and husband. Thank you.

Do good and be good is my mantra.

I wasn't trying to chastise you, bro'. And I certainly wasn't calling you out as a father or husband. On the contrary, from what I've read, I think you're probably great in both areas.

And that being said, I'm sure that your wife and children want you around for a long, long time. But, it's a free country, so you are obviously free to do as you please.

As far as looking for advice, perhaps you should refrain from posting your lack of desire to seek medical attention on a public forum if you don't want advice from anyone that cares about you. :winky:

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 03:56 PM
I wasn't trying to chastise you, bro'. And I certainly wasn't calling you out as a father or husband. On the contrary, from what I've read, I think you're probably great in both areas.

And that being said, I'm sure that your wife and children want you around for a long, long time. But, it's a free country, so you are obviously free to do as you please.

As far as looking for advice, perhaps you should refrain from posting your lack of desire to seek medical attention on a public forum if you don't want advice from anyone that cares about you. :winky:

Now you're saying I shouldn't post stuff that actually impacts me and what's being discussed in this thread? Whatever. I know where I'm posting and i know what i'm saying. I'm probably letting this annoy me a bit too much but there has been a little bit too much of judging going in this thread with the whole issue of motorcycles and anal probing.

Allowing a doctor to probe me is obviously an extremely difficult thing for me and many other men to handle. I just don't get why my kids and wife get thrown into the mix. Of course they want me to live. Hell... I want to live. I just can't get past it so this whole "dangling my family in my face" thing kinda irks me. This is a very real problem. It shouldn't make me feel any less of a father or a man to my family because I struggle with it. I understand it can be a choice but it sure doesn't seem like a choice to me because I can't do it. If I don't let the wife get down dirty back there then I'm most certainly not going to let a strange person do it.

For the sake of my life... I am counting the days until they come up with more advanced screening devices and find another entryway. Especially for my prostate. Cut me open if need be but stay away from my rim.

TD
11-04-2010, 04:09 PM
For the sake of my life... I am counting the days until they come up with more advanced screening devices and find another entryway. Especially for my prostate. Cut me open if need be but stay away from my rim.

Weird how threads evolve.

FYI - You can get a PSA test (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Detection/PSA) as part of annual blood work (that's what I do). The doctor can forgo going "uptown" if the numbers are normal.

I'm going to lose my mother pretty soon because she wouldn't go to the doctor. She treated a cancerous growth with Neosporin for over a year.....sad.

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 04:12 PM
When I said I wasn't looking for any advice... I should have said I wasn't looking for somebody to tell me to think of my family. They are ALWAYS the first thing I think of in ANYTHING I do. Duh.

If I sound mad, I'm not. I just didn't like it much. Ima good father and person and family man. I do the best I can and know how but I am the furthest thing from perfect.

Double Barrel
11-04-2010, 04:46 PM
Now you're saying I shouldn't post stuff that actually impacts me and what's being discussed in this thread? Whatever. I know where I'm posting and i know what i'm saying. I'm probably letting this annoy me a bit too much but there has been a little bit too much of judging going in this thread with the whole issue of motorcycles and anal probing.

Allowing a doctor to probe me is obviously an extremely difficult thing for me and many other men to handle. I just don't get why my kids and wife get thrown into the mix. Of course they want me to live. Hell... I want to live. I just can't get past it so this whole "dangling my family in my face" thing kinda irks me. This is a very real problem. It shouldn't make me feel any less of a father or a man to my family because I struggle with it. I understand it can be a choice but it sure doesn't seem like a choice to me because I can't do it. If I don't let the wife get down dirty back there then I'm most certainly not going to let a strange person do it.

For the sake of my life... I am counting the days until they come up with more advanced screening devices and find another entryway. Especially for my prostate. Cut me open if need be but stay away from my rim.

Sorry I said anything, dude. I thought we were friends enough to offer a little advice, like I would do for any friend. That's what I get for thinking and assuming, especially in a thread about a 33 year old dude suffering a heart attack. I will keep that in mind for future reference.

How about I don't give a rat's ass what you do. Does that make you feel better? It was not meant to push your rather sensitive button(s) that I didn't even know existed. I regret even bothering at this point.

I don't like doctors, getting checked up, hate needles, but I do it. But, that's just me, and many folks have offered advice to me in spite of my dislikes and I took it in stride without getting my panties in a wad. I knew the advice was given BECAUSE THEY GAVE A SHIT ABOUT ME.

Do whatever you want. I'm done talking about it. No hard feelings (from me, at least), but whatever. :worldpeace:

Hookem Horns
11-04-2010, 04:59 PM
For the sake of my life... I am counting the days until they come up with more advanced screening devices and find another entryway. Especially for my prostate. Cut me open if need be but stay away from my rim.

Actually the screenings aren't that bad. I even had an issue where I had to have a colonoscopy to make sure nothing serious was going on. The procedure wasn't bad at all because you are pretty much out of it. The hardest part was the cleansing the night before.

BTW, I ride too and have been for years. I don't ride crotch rockets though. I have a Hog and am very aware of how dangerous it is out there. It's bad enough out there when you are a responsible rider because you obviously can't control the morons around you. However those guys that go flying by doing over 100 plus weaving in and out of traffic are just asking to eat a bumper or worse. I have no respect for them.

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 05:01 PM
Sorry I said anything, dude. I thought we were friends enough to offer a little advice, like I would do for any friend. That's what I get for thinking and assuming, especially in a thread about a 33 year old dude suffering a heart attack. I will keep that in mind for future reference.

How about I don't give a rat's ass what you do. Does that make you feel better? It was not meant to push your rather sensitive button(s) that I didn't even know existed. I regret even bothering at this point.

I don't like doctors, getting checked up, hate needles, but I do it. But, that's just me, and many folks have offered advice to me in spite of my dislikes and I took it in stride without getting my panties in a wad. I knew the advice was given BECAUSE THEY GAVE A SHIT ABOUT ME.

Do whatever you want. I'm done talking about it. No hard feelings (from me, at least), but whatever. :worldpeace:

Stick it where the sun don't shine then.

*shrugs*

Double Barrel
11-04-2010, 05:02 PM
Stick it where the sun don't shine then.

*shrugs*

So now you're giving out medical advice? :neener:

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 05:03 PM
So now you're giving out medical advice? :neener:
It's rock solid.

*nods head*

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 05:06 PM
Well there were some nice thoughts and sentiments expressed towards the passing of BA.. It all disintegrated on page 7..


Awesome!

Chance_C
11-04-2010, 05:12 PM
Stick it where the sun don't shine then.

Wait, wasn't that the original "friendly advice?" At least you would have had a sedative...

NitroGSXR
11-04-2010, 05:41 PM
I would like to apologize for the derailment. It was not my intention. I apologize to DB and the others... most of all... to Blazing Arrow.

RIP.

brakos82
11-04-2010, 08:07 PM
Well there were some nice thoughts and sentiments expressed towards the passing of BA.. It all disintegrated on page 7..


Awesome!

And I had nothing to do with it this time. :nolisten:

Texecutioner
11-04-2010, 08:18 PM
Well there were some nice thoughts and sentiments expressed towards the passing of BA.. It all disintegrated on page 7..


Awesome!

You know, Sparrow would probably be chuckling away if he saw all of the admiration and condolences he's getting in this forum. Especially from you of all people Bill. I think he'd be shockingly surprised and and very pleased. :)

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 08:27 PM
You know, Sparrow would probably be chuckling away if he saw all of the admiration and condolences he's getting in this forum. Especially from you of all people Bill. I think he'd be shockingly surprised and and very pleased. :)

Right!! No seriously, he and I used to chat behind the scenes quite often. LOL! Neither of us were very mean-spirited guys (although you couldn't tell that from some of the flame wars we had).

gary
11-04-2010, 08:42 PM
You do whatever that is fine but I always except advice with a simple ok and then move on. It is your choice to take the advice or leave it. That being said, this thread is about only BA and may he R.I.P.

Texecutioner
11-04-2010, 08:57 PM
Right!! No seriously, he and I used to chat behind the scenes quite often. LOL! Neither of us were very mean-spirited guys (although you couldn't tell that from some of the flame wars we had).

Yeah, I thought you guys were arch rivaled enemies man. That's pretty nice to hear though. Sparrow was annoying at times, but other times he made me laugh and I always giggled some times when he got under certain fans skins in here.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 09:10 PM
You do whatever that is fine but I always except advice with a simple ok and then move on. It is your choice to take the advice or leave it. That being said, this thread is about only BA and may he R.I.P.

Mr. Gary please don't restart that non-sense. This isn't the forum for that and Nitro came back and apologized to DB and more importantly BA for contributing to derailing the topic at hand. I'll be happy to start (if you don't want to) another thread related to that stuff...

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Yeah, I thought you guys were arch rivaled enemies man. That's pretty nice to hear though. Sparrow was annoying at times, but other times he made me laugh and I always giggled some times when he got under certain fans skins in here.

He was really light-hearted, so he laughed as some of us would get really upset with him. He and I had an issue that got pretty ugly at one point, though. The whole Trent Green v. Travis Johnson incident. I mean that got really ugly......... but we chatted behind the scenes and worked out our differences - as we should... It was all good after that. Well, not really. We continued to spar!! ;)

gary
11-04-2010, 10:01 PM
Mr. Gary please don't restart that non-sense. This isn't the forum for that and Nitro came back and apologized to DB and more importantly BA for contributing to derailing the topic at hand. I'll be happy to start (if you don't want to) another thread related to that stuff...No comment Bill. This thread should start over again I wish but the clock does not turn back though. It was kinda silly IMO. Move on.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 10:03 PM
NO COMMENT. This thread should start over again I wish but the clock does not turn back though. It was kinda silly IMO. Move on.

I have... Except you started your post off with "NO COMMENT" and yet still made a comment.. LOL!!!

:lol:

gary
11-04-2010, 10:08 PM
Prayers

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 10:10 PM
The no comment was about starting another thread.

Okay great, then stay on topic within this thread!!!

brakos82
11-04-2010, 10:10 PM
NO COMMENT.... but making "no comment" jokes are better than Vista.

gary
11-04-2010, 10:12 PM
Sad news.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 10:18 PM
I will now.

I just PM'd you.

gary
11-04-2010, 11:18 PM
Rip

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 11:32 PM
Don't know why I was called out TB but I was trying to get everyone back to our prayers for BA and not talk about illnesses or when we need to go for a check up. This is a thread for prayers for BA and his family. I am not the only one who went offtopic in this thread we all do sometimes as long as we remember the main point.......

You weren't called out bro!

Exactly!

gary
11-04-2010, 11:37 PM
Prayers to the family.

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 11:40 PM
But, others are offtopic too which is not a huge deal IMO. It happens in every thread.

Yeah, but we're talking about a 33 year old that died of a heart attack.. Let it go, PM me or call me. Mom has my number....

Texan_Bill
11-04-2010, 11:44 PM
Yes. A daughter about 5 years old.

Obit:

http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Cobrands/ContraCostaTimes/Photos/Kian6.eps_20101001.jpg
Kian Shaun Harvey Resident of Concord Kian, beloved Husband, Father and Friend passed away Wednesday, September 15, 2010. He was born in Martinez on March 24, 1977. He attended Palmer School, Walnut Creek and graduated from De La Salle High School, Concord in 1995. He was awarded the rank of Eagle Scout in 1995. He attended UC Santa Barbara where he studied Chemistry and Economics. On June 21, 2003 he married Tammie Beth Wilson and on October 17, 2005 they were blessed with a daughter Amber Lynn Harvey. Kian was a great man with many interests and hobbies including the NFL with the Tennessee Titans being his favorite team, building and working on computers and gaming online with many friends. He enjoyed music and Bob Marley was his favorite. He loved to make people laugh and to spend time with friends and family. He was known by many for his great sense of humor and love for life. Not a day will go by that he will not be in our hearts. Kian is survived by his wife Tammie Beth Harvey, his daughter Amber Lynn Harvey, his mother Suzanne Harvey, and his Grandma Marilyn Harvey. A Memorial service to celebrate his life will be held on October 1, 2010 at 2:00 pm at the Walnut Avenue United Methodist Church, 260 Walnut Avenue, Walnut Creek.


ContraCosta Times (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/contracostatimes/obituary.aspx?n=kian-harvey&pid=145741887)

TO GET BACK on TRACK!!!

gary
11-04-2010, 11:52 PM
Rip

CretorFrigg
11-04-2010, 11:57 PM
Even though I'm a new member to these boards, I send my condolences to his family and friends. Judging from what you guys have been saying about him, I seem to have really missed out on meeting a great man, husband and father.

Things like this make you realize that you shouldn't take anything or anyone for granted.

May he rest in peace.

mattieuk
11-05-2010, 12:04 AM
Even though I'm a new member to these boards, I send my condolences to his family and friends. Judging from what you guys have been saying about him, I seem to have really missed out on meeting a great man, husband and father.

Things like this make you realize that you shouldn't take anything or anyone for granted.

May he rest in peace.

The good thing about forums is the database.

I suggest, search his name and have a look at some of the threads he was defending the Titans honor (ha!) in. He'd stand up for himself for sure, and some of the back and to comments were hilarious.

Texan_Bill
11-05-2010, 12:14 AM
Dude, I'll just move on and agree to disagree. I was just trying make a point/advice to DB and Nitro that's all. Others posted personal storries and are just as offtopic as me. That is not anything to worry about.

There's nothing to disagree about. There's nothing to agree to disagree about!! This ain't about you Gary.. This ain't about me!! This isn't about those "Others posted personal storries"!Now, agree to agree about that.... then we'll move on.

***************


Mods, will you please lock this thread and a special request... Delete from page 7 on. :gun:

gtexan02
11-05-2010, 12:18 AM
New topic:

The best way to remember someone is to help them live on. Can anyone imagine the topics BA would have created after the Moss signing?

I hope he gets to watch ESPN from wherever he's gone :)

mattieuk
11-05-2010, 12:34 AM
New topic:

The best way to remember someone is to help them live on. Can anyone imagine the topics BA would have created after the Moss signing?

I hope he gets to watch ESPN from wherever he's gone :)

Man, he would have been unbearable at the moment (I could have seen an "AJ not best receiver in AFC South, nevermind NFL" thread created by him), and then in a few weeks after he realizes that Tennessee also isn''t New England he'd have got it.

Definitely hope he gets ESPN though....need to get the live coverage of Randy's next meltdown interview.

Texan_Bill
11-05-2010, 12:37 AM
New topic:

The best way to remember someone is to help them live on. Can anyone imagine the topics BA would have created after the Moss signing?

I hope he gets to watch ESPN from wherever he's gone :)

Nice!!!

Well I would suspect (given the fact that he could be critical of VY) he might say something like: "Randy Moss is a nice pick-up but would good is he when our QB can't get the ball to him." :lol:

Mr. White
11-05-2010, 12:38 AM
Disclaimer: Gary, this isn't directed at you. Looks like you might have taken some friendly fire already and I'm not trying to add to it.

When a young guy dies from a heart attack, it hits home with guys older than or around the same age.

It makes us wonder why it happened and what we could do to keep it from happening to us. Sorry man, we can't help it.

Go look at Hou-Tex's thread from a few weeks back for an example.

To me, a.) thoughts and prayers b.) remembering the departed and and c.) talking about how we can avoid mortality ourselves are natural reactions to this kind of thing. This is the same kind of stuff that we talk about at funerals.

Before my next doctor's visit, I'll probably search this thread again to find Bill's quote again so I'll know what to get checked.

We as men, need to quit being the guys that we are. We tend to stay away from doctors. We have a hard time going to hospitals (even if to visit a close friend that suffered a major stroke).... BUT You have to. I've made it a point to at the very least, get a yearly check up, including blood work, a chest x-ray and an EKG (I think it is... the one where they put like 13 probes or whatever all over your body)...


It was this process that encouraged me about 16 or 17 months ago, to drop around 48 pounds. My cholesterol was out of whack. My Triglycerides were over 600 (they're supposed to be under 150) and my blood pressure was hovering around "pre-hypertension"...

Since then, like I said, I lost 48 pounds. My BP is in check (although it spikes at times), Triglycerides are waaaaay down. Not where they should be, but I cut that 6+ in half and finally cholesterol is down to 159......


Sorry for the long, drawn out BS......... BOTTOM LINE. Get checked out regularly!!!

I personally don't see what's wrong with comments like the above one. Apparently some people do and want to start arguing over it in this thread of all places. To them, I'd suggest going back and deleting the argumentative comments and try to make this thread the memorial that Blazing Arrow deserves.

I like having fans from other teams as regulars on this board and relating to them as other people (instead of the enemy.) Having said that, Blazing Arrow's departure has left a real void on this board.

Texan_Bill
11-05-2010, 01:01 AM
Disclaimer: Gary, this isn't directed at you. Looks like you might have taken some friendly fire already and I'm not trying to add to it.

When a young guy dies from a heart attack, it hits home with guys older than or around the same age.

It makes us wonder why it happened and what we could do to keep it from happening to us. Sorry man, we can't help it.

Go look at Hou-Tex's thread from a few weeks back for an example.

To me, a.) thoughts and prayers b.) remembering the departed and and c.) talking about how we can avoid mortality ourselves are natural reactions to this kind of thing. This is the same kind of stuff that we talk about at funerals.

Before my next doctor's visit, I'll probably search this thread again to find Bill's quote again so I'll know what to get checked.



I personally don't see what's wrong with comments like the above one. Apparently some people do and want to start arguing over it in this thread of all places. To them, I'd suggest going back and deleting the argumentative comments and try to make this thread the memorial that Blazing Arrow deserves.

I like having fans from other teams as regulars on this board and relating to them as other people (instead of the enemy.) Having said that, Blazing Arrow's departure has left a real void on this board.

Well said, and definitley repped....

steelbtexan
11-05-2010, 01:10 AM
Woder how we could send $$$ to a college fund for his daughter?

And yes everything after page 7 should be deleted. IMHO

BIG TORO
11-05-2010, 08:52 AM
Found out from StarStruck about this and wanted to comment

This hits really deep on 2 fronts. 1) I never met BA but I really loved his stuff and I never took anything he wrote as vindictive. Just sounded like a fun guy talking noise to his rivals 2) I had, as many here know, a random heart issue that almost killed me at age 30 and then a surgery that came from the arrythmia it caused in 2008. If you didn't know the inital heart problem came from a virus I got..like the flu(I had chills and fever for 2 days)..that just attacked my heart. I had many symptoms talked about in here after the sickness went away....burping, chest tightness, etc...and ignored it until I couldn't anymore and then they told me my heart was enlarged 50%, it was out of rhythm and my ejection fraction or pumping strength was down to 20%. I survived and came back completely but many don't. A family friend of ours died from the same thing. I'm not sure what happened to BA but it could have been similar or it could have been a defect. So for all the guys out there, don't be macho. Your body sends you signals for a reason. If you feel "off" or have anything that doesn't jive, check it out. I'd rather be a little paranoid and careful than in serious trouble. They have incredible technology to see every little thing in your body now. Also, I'd recommend flu shots. I never got them until I had kids but I always wonder if that strain or whatever I got could have been prevented. It won't make you sick and it will protect you.

RIP BA. Prayers to your wife and child. I hope you got one big hug from both the day this happened.

Late


I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

Texan_Bill
11-05-2010, 09:07 AM
I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

And sooooooo now, we're all worried... :foottap:

Mr. White
11-05-2010, 09:30 AM
I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

So you'd be on a monitor for 45 days? Does this mean you'll be in a hospital bed for 45 days?

Kaiser Toro
11-05-2010, 09:35 AM
Until I saw the obit it did not hit home. Me and my crew had a close friend die of a heart attack, 1992, when he was 22 years old (recently his brother was sentenced to death). RIP Xavier.

Two years later the paramedics came to my door in Albany, NY and took me to the hospital as I thought I was having a heart attack, my neighbor called them in when they saw me crawling across our shared floor. Two weeks later they showed up again to take me out of my grad school class room when I felt my heart leap out my chest.

I got all the tests done, and found that my travel schedule, caffeine consumption and poor diet were responsible for screwing up my adrenaline. Not to mention I had a tough break-up with my live-in girlfriend a few weeks prior.

I have given up soda, eat fast food two to three times a month, drink water all day, and I get a check up every year. Moreover, I stopped fooling around, stayed monogamous with the girlfriends I had, and got married five years later. Will be married for 13 years in December. In the first few years of marriage I would wake up in the middle of night short of breath, it was scary, but I would just calm myself down and control my breathing and it would subside.

Recently it appears that I have developed some symptoms of asthma, and have to take medication - which I hate, thankfully I am on small doses.

We're getting older, and have a lot to lose with still so much to do, see and achieve.

RIP Kian.

BIG TORO
11-05-2010, 09:42 AM
So you'd be on a monitor for 45 days? Does this mean you'll be in a hospital bed for 45 days?

No it's little like a cell phone, but it has a bunch of wires, and you wear it home.

Mr. White
11-05-2010, 10:03 AM
No it's little like a cell phone, but it has a bunch of wires, and you wear it home.

This this is really a no-brainer. 45 days could get you at least 45 more years.

Texan_Bill
11-05-2010, 10:12 AM
I was just informed by ChildressTitanFan (a friend from another message board) that Blazing Arrow suffered a heart attack. His wife informed someone that share with Childress.... He was only 33 y/o.... RIP my brother.

Thoughts and prayers to his wife and entire family!!

Found out from StarStruck about this and wanted to comment

This hits really deep on 2 fronts. 1) I never met BA but I really loved his stuff and I never took anything he wrote as vindictive. Just sounded like a fun guy talking noise to his rivals 2) I had, as many here know, a random heart issue that almost killed me at age 30 and then a surgery that came from the arrythmia it caused in 2008. If you didn't know the inital heart problem came from a virus I got..like the flu(I had chills and fever for 2 days)..that just attacked my heart. I had many symptoms talked about in here after the sickness went away....burping, chest tightness, etc...and ignored it until I couldn't anymore and then they told me my heart was enlarged 50%, it was out of rhythm and my ejection fraction or pumping strength was down to 20%. I survived and came back completely but many don't. A family friend of ours died from the same thing. I'm not sure what happened to BA but it could have been similar or it could have been a defect. So for all the guys out there, don't be macho. Your body sends you signals for a reason. If you feel "off" or have anything that doesn't jive, check it out. I'd rather be a little paranoid and careful than in serious trouble. They have incredible technology to see every little thing in your body now. Also, I'd recommend flu shots. I never got them until I had kids but I always wonder if that strain or whatever I got could have been prevented. It won't make you sick and it will protect you.

RIP BA. Prayers to your wife and child. I hope you got one big hug from both the day this happened.

Late

I think this is exactly whats happening to me! Im 30 Years old and in February of this year I caught the flu, I went to Doctor could not breath pulse was up to 160. The doctor ran some test confirmed it was the flu and gave me medicine. The flu went away but then all my symtoms started. I have good days and bad days Tightness in chest, heart arrythmias, anxious or like I have to take a deep breath. I did an ECG aka as an EKG and it did show my heart was having Premature Ventricular Contractions (PVC). I went to cardiologist but he wanted to but me on a monitor for like 45 days, so I never went back. This been going on for 9 months now and I dont tell my friends and family because I don't want them to worry. I don't know, maybe I should go back to Doctor.

Are you freakin' kidding me? We lose BA, we almost lose Frog, and you don't want to wear a monitor?

BIG TORO
11-05-2010, 10:12 AM
This this is really a no-brainer. 45 days could get you at least 45 more years.

Thanks your right, I think Im going to change some eating habits, exercise more and Im going in to see the doc starting the new year with a new deductible.

JB
11-05-2010, 10:15 AM
This thread losing focus again...

Texan_Bill
11-05-2010, 10:19 AM
Until I saw the obit it did not hit home. Me and my crew had a close friend die of a heart attack, 1992, when he was 22 years old (recently his brother was sentenced to death). RIP Xavier.

Two years later the paramedics came to my door in Albany, NY and took me to the hospital as I thought I was having a heart attack, my neighbor called them in when they saw me crawling across our shared floor. Two weeks later they showed up again to take me out of my grad school class room when I felt my heart leap out my chest.

I got all the tests done, and found that my travel schedule, caffeine consumption and poor diet were responsible for screwing up my adrenaline. Not to mention I had a tough break-up with my live-in girlfriend a few weeks prior.

I have given up soda, eat fast food two to three times a month, drink water all day, and I get a check up every year. Moreover, I stopped fooling around, stayed monogamous with the girlfriends I had, and got married five years later. Will be married for 13 years in December. In the first few years of marriage I would wake up in the middle of night short of breath, it was scary, but I would just calm myself down and control my breathing and it would subside.

Recently it appears that I have developed some symptoms of asthma, and have to take medication - which I hate, thankfully I am on small doses.

We're getting older, and have a lot to lose with still so much to do, see and achieve.

RIP Kian.

22? Heart attack?? WOW!!! I've lost a lot of friends, some due to accidents, some cancer, even murdered, but I don't recall any dying that early from a heart attack.


I have given up soda Check

eat fast food two to three times a month, Not even that often

drink water all day, Check

and I get a check up every year Definite check!


Who knows what caused BA's heart attack though. He was a skinny guy but we don't really know his eating habits, his family history or any of that. He could've been eating right, exercising and doing all the righ things. We just never know. All we can do is minimize our risks...

scourge
11-05-2010, 11:04 AM
RIP BA... far too young to go.





Thanks your right, I think Im going to change some eating habits, exercise more and Im going in to see the doc starting the new year with a new deductible.

My wife has had to wear this before... she was miserable. If not for my insistence, she wouldn't have. Not trying to say what you should or shouldn't do regarding your health, just saying she's wore that equipment before.

BIG TORO
11-05-2010, 11:25 AM
RIP BA... far too young to go.







My wife has had to wear this before... she was miserable. If not for my insistence, she wouldn't have. Not trying to say what you should or shouldn't do regarding your health, just saying she's wore that equipment before.

Im hoping for a miricle, if not I will give in begining of next year.

GuerillaBlack
11-05-2010, 11:30 AM
Who knows what caused BA's heart attack though. He was a skinny guy but we don't really know his eating habits, his family history or any of that. He could've been eating right, exercising and doing all the righ things. We just never know. All we can do is minimize our risks...

And that is some scary stuff. At 19, I think I'm invinceable and none of this stuff applies to me, but now I'm hearing 22 year olds dying from heart attacks. Since I was little, I always associated heart attacks with older people and the extremely obese. Maybe I need to get a check up myself. I haven't been to the doctor in like two years. I'm never sick.

Double Barrel
11-05-2010, 12:32 PM
This thread losing focus again...

I don't think so. After condolences are posted, the thread would just fade away. But in BA's memory, I think it's a good thing that we learn from his tragedy and perhaps be inspired to look into aspects of our health that might have otherwise been ignored. :)

That being said, back to BA, I think he would have been unbearable with the Moss signing and the Texans floundering on MNF against the Colts. He had a way of pushing all of our collective buttons, and by the same token, we all tended to become one big Texans family circling the wagon in defense of our hapless franchise as a result. Regardless of our differences, a rival fan trolling our board with heated smack talk always seemed to bring us together.

That being said, WE get the last word! :shades: I never understood why BA followed the Oilers/Titans when he lived in 49ers land. He tried to explain it to me, but I just couldn't comprehend going against a hometown team with championship pedigree for a team in another city.

toronto
11-06-2010, 01:34 AM
I'm 38 and nothing scared the hell out of me more than when I had a physical 2 years ago - my doc informed me I had very high cholesterol (hereditary, nothing I can do about it) and when I get checked again in the spring, if its still that high, I'm going on meds.

I'm not widowing my wife and leaving her with two kids to raise by herself. Screw that.

ChildressTitanMan
11-06-2010, 09:08 AM
Very moving to see how all this respect for BA.

I'm sure he'd appreove of the derailment. Made me LMAO

Ckw
11-06-2010, 10:41 AM
Until I saw the obit it did not hit home. Me and my crew had a close friend die of a heart attack, 1992, when he was 22 years old (recently his brother was sentenced to death). RIP Xavier.

Two years later the paramedics came to my door in Albany, NY and took me to the hospital as I thought I was having a heart attack, my neighbor called them in when they saw me crawling across our shared floor. Two weeks later they showed up again to take me out of my grad school class room when I felt my heart leap out my chest.

I got all the tests done, and found that my travel schedule, caffeine consumption and poor diet were responsible for screwing up my adrenaline. Not to mention I had a tough break-up with my live-in girlfriend a few weeks prior.

I have given up soda, eat fast food two to three times a month, drink water all day, and I get a check up every year. Moreover, I stopped fooling around, stayed monogamous with the girlfriends I had, and got married five years later. Will be married for 13 years in December. In the first few years of marriage I would wake up in the middle of night short of breath, it was scary, but I would just calm myself down and control my breathing and it would subside.

Recently it appears that I have developed some symptoms of asthma, and have to take medication - which I hate, thankfully I am on small doses.

We're getting older, and have a lot to lose with still so much to do, see and achieve.

RIP Kian.

Sounds like panic attacks is part of, if not a major part of, the problem. I am surprised your doctor has not prescribed anti-anxiety meds especially for you to take at night.

Panic attacks make you feel like you are losing your breath, your heart is racing, that you might die, etc. Regardless, it is good to see you made such major life changes after these experiences. We all need to evaluate our lives and our choices.

RIP Blazing Arrow.

Texecutioner
11-06-2010, 03:09 PM
Whatever happened to Bipolar The Titan?? He was always my favorite Titan fan that would come over here and strut around. He threw some nice clever smack around at times. I'm sure he knew BA a little bit as well.

Anyone see or hear from Bipolar The Titan on any of the Titans boards?

ChildressTitanMan
11-06-2010, 05:50 PM
Whatever happened to Bipolar The Titan?? He was always my favorite Titan fan that would come over here and strut around. He threw some nice clever smack around at times. I'm sure he knew BA a little bit as well.

Anyone see or hear from Bipolar The Titan on any of the Titans boards?

Yeah Bipolar is still around and was a friend of BA.

I just don't have as much time to spend on boards these days,even my own.

I'm sure Bipolar is the same.

Hookem Horns
11-06-2010, 07:27 PM
Sounds like panic attacks is part of, if not a major part of, the problem. I am surprised your doctor has not prescribed anti-anxiety meds especially for you to take at night.



There are better and permanent ways to address anxiety and panic attacks. I lived the hell of anxiety and panic attacks and was very bad. Anti-anxiety meds are not the way to go IMO. I can write a book on this topic.

Texan_Bill
11-06-2010, 08:11 PM
There are better and permanent ways to address anxiety and panic attacks. I lived the hell of anxiety and panic attacks and was very bad. Anti-anxiety meds are not the way to go IMO. I can write a book on this topic.

I experience "mini-panick attacks" evreytime I fly... I used to fly a lot, too. A couple of years ago when I went to Hawaii, I took a couple of Ambien about an hour before takeoff. I managed the flight pretty well. Once we got to Honolulu, we had to take a puddle jumper over to Maui... I think that flight took three or so years off the back end of my life...

Bottom line, anxiety, depression anything of this nature is just plain not healthy.

texanmojo
11-06-2010, 08:59 PM
I took a couple of Ambien about an hour before takeoff. I managed the flight pretty well.

A "couple" Ambien? You had to be knocked on your ass. Not to mention is has a major amnesia effect to it.

Ckw
11-06-2010, 09:02 PM
I experience "mini-panick attacks" evreytime I fly... I used to fly a lot, too. A couple of years ago when I went to Hawaii, I took a couple of Ambien about an hour before takeoff. I managed the flight pretty well. Once we got to Honolulu, we had to take a puddle jumper over to Maui... I think that flight took three or so years off the back end of my life...

Bottom line, anxiety, depression anything of this nature is just plain not healthy.

Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference.

JB
11-06-2010, 09:43 PM
Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference.

I always figured alcohol was the way to go...

Texan_Bill
11-06-2010, 10:20 PM
A "couple" Ambien? You had to be knocked on your ass. Not to mention is has a major amnesia effect to it.
Yes... Exactly I was knocked on my ass!! I don't remember if I had amnesia or not... I just don't remember......:D


Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference. I support xanex... I just can't get xanex.... For some reason my doctor doestn't prescribe xanex.....

Porky
11-06-2010, 11:27 PM
RIP Blazing Arrow. Really sad to see this. I've been busy most of the week, and just now jumped on for a few minutes and see this. WAY too soon to pass like this. I'll even root for the Titans this week in your honor - just don't expect me to do that all year. That's asking too much! :smiliepalm:

Hookem Horns
11-07-2010, 12:03 AM
Yes... Exactly I was knocked on my ass!! I don't remember if I had amnesia or not... I just don't remember......:D


I support xanex... I just can't get xanex.... For some reason my doctor doestn't prescribe xanex.....

Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.

Texan_Bill
11-07-2010, 12:04 AM
RIP Blazing Arrow. Really sad to see this. I've been busy most of the week, and just now jumped on for a few minutes and see this. WAY too soon to pass like this. I'll even root for the Titans this week in your honor - just don't expect me to do that all year. That's asking too much! :smiliepalm:

:thumbup

JB
11-07-2010, 12:07 AM
Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I now fly anxiety free and want to travel places now.

That is so true in so many ways...

Ckw
11-07-2010, 01:00 AM
Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.

Very good advice and good information. Rep your way.

That being said, I disagree with you in one major way: some people require medication. I guess it is just the psychology background in me that gives me that perspective but in my opinion, some people simply can't control their issues whether that be depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive tendencies, etc. It is easy to say, "Just get over it and learn to control it," but not everyone is capable of doing that.

As far as benzos are concerned, I agree with you on the dangers involved. I see nothing wrong with the occasional use of medications like xanex for panic attacks and the like, but constant, everyday use has been shown to cause problems. There are milder forms of anti-anxiety meds that are not habit forming and can have many of the same effects.

Mr. White
11-07-2010, 01:43 AM
Best way to fly overseas: xanex. Get your doctor to prescribe you some next time you fly overseas. Makes a huge difference.

I always figured alcohol was the way to go...

It is.....after you take a Xanex and chase it with 2 32 oz Ziegenbocks. Then drink Heinekens on the plane until you don't give a rat's ass anymore.

Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.

I used to travel for a living and never got used to it....coming or going. My problem is that I don't trust the plane itself mechanically. And I know it's totally irrational. Every noise that I hear on the plane sounds like something breaking down to me.

Taking off is tough, turbulence is tough, descending is tougher, and landing is god-awful. At least I can keep myself somewhat composed on a plane. I couldn't even think about getting on a roller coaster.

Hookem, I totally see where you're coming from about people getting hooked on the anti-anxiety meds. I know the medicine gets you hooked, but what if you really need the medicine even before you get strung out on it?

I know people that struggle with this.

Hookem Horns
11-07-2010, 01:29 AM
Very good advice and good information. Rep your way.

That being said, I disagree with you in one major way: some people require medication. I guess it is just the psychology background in me that gives me that perspective but in my opinion, some people simply can't control their issues whether that be depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive tendencies, etc. It is easy to say, "Just get over it and learn to control it," but not everyone is capable of doing that.

As far as benzos are concerned, I agree with you on the dangers involved. I see nothing wrong with the occasional use of medications like xanex for panic attacks and the like, but constant, everyday use has been shown to cause problems. There are milder forms of anti-anxiety meds that are not habit forming and can have many of the same effects.

Sorry if I was coming off as saying "Just get over it and learn to control it". Nothing could be further from the truth. I spent almost a year in anxiety therapy and how you overcome this condition is to FULLY understand it, stop fearing it and stopping the worry cycle. Once you accomplish that you have to learn to stop the bad habits that got you there in the first place like chronic worrying, negative thinking, mishandling stress, etc.

The first key is education. Once you understand biologically what your body is doing during a panic attack you stop fueling it. A panic attack can start for several reasons, unhealthy thoughts, worry, stress, or just appear out of nowhere for no apparent reason which is caused by an erratic nervous system typically made that way due the previous things I mentioned. Once you understand what you body is doing you stop fearing it and it goes away. Panic attacks are fueled by fear/stress. The "oh my god" and "what if" thoughts fuel the cycle that keeps a panic attack going. Biologically your body is producing the stress hormones which causes all of the doom and gloom sensations.

I knew I was turning a corner when a panic attack would start and I could remain calm, once I could do that it would pass almost immediately. Instead of the "OMG, here it is again" or "What if I am having a heart attack", etc, etc I would think to myself "There's that nervous system acting up again" and almost laugh it off. After months of being able to do that and also break all of the bad habits that got me that way I started feeling better. This including even going on a diet. I had to stop having anything that stimulates the body, including alcohol which was tough. People that have anxiety attacks often have episodes the day after drinking. There is a biological reason for that.

I am leaving a lot of stuff out for sake of time. However my condition went far beyond panic attacks. I went months were I couldn't leave the house, everything would freak me out (even light), I would start crying for no reason, would go days without sleeping, and I came real close to ending it if you know what I mean. I was that far gone. If I could overcome serious anxiety/depression without meds anyone can. With that I will say that I did use Klonopin here and there mainly to sleep until I started getting a grasp on what I was learning and practicing.

When it comes to this condition though I am very anti-meds. I know they will not cure a person and in most cases only entrench the problem and make it worse. Those meds, especially the long term ones (not benzos) are very dangerous. I have lost 2 friends to suicide that were on those. One of them drove his car into a concrete pillar right after going on Lexapro. There is a time period right after one goes on those things that is real dangerous. When you are in a severe state of anxiety/depression you will do anything to stop it. The thought of just killing yourself is always there. However most people have that something that prevents them from doing that like I did. What those drugs do is take away that "something". They give you a "I don't give a rat's ass" feeling and someone who is thinking about suicide will often just go ahead and do it. Also they tend to make anxiety/depression symptoms worse when you first start them. That coupled with the "I don't care" feeling is a dangerous combination.

Am I saying that most people that get on those long term meds are likely to kill themselves? No, if that were the case 1/4 or even more of the people you know would not be around. Anti-anxiety meds are being prescribed at alarming rates. Actually they are the most prescribed drugs in the world. I was shocked at how many of my close friends admitted to me that they were on something when I was having my ordeal.

Another thing I learned through my ordeal was that most psychologists, psychiatrists, and doctors are really clueless when it comes to treating anxiety. They are just taught to just throw the pills at you. I visited several until I finally got someone who fully understood what was going on with me. Unless one has been through this I don't see how they could really help someone else. My therapist had a severe anxiety disorder for 15 years and the fact he had been there and could tell me his experiences helped me tremendously.

BTW, if anyone has any of the above issues you can visit his website at www.anxietycentre.com. There is a ton of good and ACCURATE information on that site. Those guys literally saved my life and I am forever indebted to them.

toronto
11-07-2010, 01:36 AM
Some great stuff being discussed.

I am a sufferer of anxiety, but never panic attacks. I had it build up in me when my uncle passed in 2003, and when I went through a career crisis, it came to a head and I broke down. By the time my kids arrived, I was really emotionally living a roller coaster and an unhealthy one at that. Worse, I couldn't sleep.

I sought assistance, and for the first time allowed myself to consider medication. I am on a very mild dose of clonozopan and it has worked out well for me the last 18 months. Its essentially the mildest form of valium (IIRC).

I'm also a terrible flyer and take one ambien, which does the trick. Got me throw a direct flight from Toronto to Tokyo so I can handle any flight, but my problem is that now with kids, I can't sleep, which was my solution before. Now I take a clonozopan and its enough to get me through. I used to love flying, until I had a flight 15 years ago from Dallas to Amarillo - we slammed into the jetstream and the jet dipped enough that the oxygen masks came down. I have never been the same since.

swtbound07
11-07-2010, 02:33 AM
always found 3 vicodin and 2 xanex makes any flight ever so much smoother.

CloakNNNdagger
11-07-2010, 11:37 AM
There are better and permanent ways to address anxiety and panic attacks. I lived the hell of anxiety and panic attacks and was very bad. Anti-anxiety meds are not the way to go IMO. I can write a book on this topic.



Hookem,

Most here would be wise to give thought to your posts. Behavioral adjustment (self or with the help of a therapist or psychiatrist) is the only safe and effective approach to especially flight phobia.

Benzodiazepines (such as XANAX, ATIVAN, and VALIUM) are very controversial in general. When each first came out, they were touted as entirely non-addictive. Today, we know that they are at the top of the list of addictive medications......especially XANAX. Once dependency is established, getting off these meds is more difficult than getting off heroin. Many psychiatrists will not prescribe them. They are prescribed frequently by physicians who are not familiar with the research that shows they do not work for flying, but actually CAUSE panic when flying.

No ďsingle event doseĒ anti-anxiety medication is effective for flight anxiety.

When the medication fails to provide relief, a person in a state of panic may be tempted to take more medication and/or to combine medication with alcohol. WHEN THESE MEDS FAIL, YOU DONíT TAKE MORE. YOU DONíT COMBINE THESE MEDS WITH ALCOHOL. DOING SO DURING FLIGHT WHERE THE AIR IS THIN CAN BE FATAL.

The majority of psychiatrists never prescribe them or prescribe them only with great caution with carefully screened clients.

Doctors who are not psychiatrists often do not understand the risks (or, just give patients what they want in spite of the risk).

Fatal Interaction With Alcohol. When in the throws of high anxiety, when one has already taken Xanax and finds it is not working, it is common for the person to take another dose and then have a few drinks. This can be fatal. Alcohol and Xanax (or Ativan or Valium), especially when combined causes a disturbance in the regulation of breathing..........a severe slowing. You may want to be knocked out, but you donít want to stop breathing when knocked out..........something that kills thousands of people every year?

Once you know the risks - and lack of effectiveness for flying - of Xanax and Ativan, whether to use them or not is a no-brainer.

These medications are not a responsible way to deal with anxiety on a daily basis and make flight anxiety worse.

If you need medications on a daily basis for anxiety, and you are being prescribed Xanax or Ativan, you need to find a responsible psychiatrist who will switch you to a non-addictive alternative.

If you think you need Xanax or Ativan for flying, think again. At safe levels, they provide no relief at all, and increase panic attacks ten-fold.

[A word about meds for long-term day-to-day anxiety (non flying anxiety). If a doctor prescribes Xanax or Ativan for routine use, find another doctor. That is simply not responsible, and there is no question about it. Why? Because there are anti-anxiety medications which are effective and which are not addictive such as Buspar, and anti-depressants which help with day-to-day anxiety such as Lexapro, Zoloft, and other SSRIs.]

Though Xanax or Ativan can relax you effectively for day-to-day anxiety on the ground (still for only 1 out of 3 patients), it is HOW the relaxation is achieved that is the problem when it comes to flying.

The relaxation is gained by shutting down the part of the brain that gets involved with conflict. In a normal state of mind, imagination conflicts with reality. And when you recognize that conflict, you know what is real and what is imaginary.

But when that part of the brain is shut down, the person is no longer as able to distinguish the conflict between reality and imagination, and thus no longer able to tell what is imagined from what is real.

Thus, when flying, what is imagined (feared) is not recognized as imagination. When the person starts to believe something that is imagined (feared) is really happening, it causes panic and terror.

This is why the research shows that though you get the edge taken off prior to the flight, you pay for it big time. The research shows TEN TIMES as many panic attacks happen when meds are taken versus placebo. Acute and Delayed Effects of Alprazolam [XANAX] on Flight Phobics During Exposure (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V5W-3SX0JVW-H&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=a056eb2d14dd4cd6dc472517f857fb74)

There is a self-help program that I have suggested to my patients who have spoken to me about this phobia. Itís called the The SOAR Fear of Flying Program http://www.airsafe.com/issues/fear/soar.htm and it has been used successfully by them.

Itís been shown that for those who believed they HAD to have Xanax to fly, found that when they completed the SOAR program which set up automatic control of the feelings, they did not have high anxiety and did not panic. Some continued taking Xanax for a while, believing it helped. But when they finally did try flying without Xanax they discovered - to their amazement - they had LESS anxiety. Though they did not realize it, Xanax had caused them trouble when flying before the SOAR program and it had caused them trouble when flying after the SOAR program. It was only after encouraging them to try flying without Xanax that they discovered Xanax was part of their problem; they had believed it was helping. It wasn't. It was making things worse.

The responsibility question is a red herring. This argument is typically employed by people who have addictive tendencies. They ARE the people who have no business taking Xanax. They feel they are not capable of dealing with feelings without help, and have little tolerance for anything other than instant gratification or instant relief. Not only do they see no problem with instant relief, they often believe they have a right to it. If anyone ever gets between a borderline and their medication, they are in for big trouble. They assert that if they doctor gave it to them, then - "because the doctor knows what he is doing"- it is fine for them to take it. In other words, people with addictive personalities ARE the ones to make this argument. People who do not have addictive personalities rarely even ask for Xanax.

No physician can determine who will and will not engage in risky behavior in a time of stress unless the doctor is trained to do psychotherapy and has had years of experience as a psychotherapist and have treated the client in question as a psychotherapist for dozens - if not hundreds - of therapy sessions.

But as to effectiveness. There are some people that just BELIEVE in Xanax. The research is clear, though. It shows that people taking Xanax for fear of flying have ten times as many panic attacks when flying as people taking a placebo. Yet - and this is the point - those people who took the Xanax BELIEVED Xanax was helping them EVEN WHEN IT WAS MAKING THEM WORSE AND, IN FACT, CAUSING PANIC ATTACKS.

Malloy
11-07-2010, 01:03 PM
Just came back from France to see this, horrible and sad news.

RIP BA :(

Hookem Horns
11-07-2010, 01:16 PM
Good and interesting stuff CND. Maybe somehow us honoring BA with this thread will somehow help others having anxiety for any given reason, maybe even anxiety about dying young or having a heart attack. It's not uncommon for people that are chronic worriers especially about health hear about something like this and start worrying about having a heart attack themselves and even developing symptoms.

Also the advice given by DB about living a healthier lifestyle and getting regular check ups can really help others.

Ckw
11-07-2010, 01:57 PM
We will just have to agree to disagree CND. No amount of studies will convince me Xanex doesn't help for flying as I along with others I know have tried flying overseas without it, and it is miserable. For me, as well as the other people I know that use it, do not do so to alleviate anxiety; in fact, I enjoy flying but only short distances. Xanex helps the flight seem shorter, helps me sleep better, and keeps me from getting sick on those long overseas flights that are otherwise miserable.

Also, this is at low dosages. Typically no more than one 2 mg tablet.

HoustonFrog
11-07-2010, 10:53 PM
I want to address some more issues here

1) Big Toro: Get to a doctor. Stubborness is not an option. What may have happened is the virus didn't damage the heart but it may be out of rhythm, making the heart work harder and making it easier for other viruses and issues to get to you. Just walk in and make yourself better physically and mentally by getting an EKG and Echo test.

2) Flying. This is one of the easiet things to get over. Trust me. More flying (think more cowbell) is the answer. I flew maybe 5 times total in my first 35 years of life. I had my 5th flight do an aborted landing and it scared me to death. I was petrified and the times I did fly were horrible. I went through 5 years where I drove everywhere. When I met my wife, who works for an airline, she wanted to travel non-stop. The first few times was embarrassing. I literally almost was crying on her shoulder....she saus I cried. I read a book, "The Fearless Slyers Handbook" which Quantas puts out and just kept going. It really hits home. Turbulence is like bad roads..bumps inthe sky..it isn't bringing you down. Planes are incredibly advanced now. 610 and I-10 will kill you before a flight. Now I've flown probably 60-70 more trips and I fear nothing. It's fun. Plus it allowed me to go to Italy, Hawaii, Paris and all over the place. I don't take anything or even drink...dehydrates you alot. Believe me, you have to start living through this.

Texan_Bill
11-09-2010, 12:04 PM
Xanex can be some bad stuff and many doctors refuse to prescribe it for good reason. It artificially suppresses the nervous system. Taking it here and there is OK, however a person really needs to cognitively learn how to control their anxious thoughts without having to rely on chemicals do to the work.

The problem with benzos such as Xanex, Clonopin, etc is if you get into the habit of taking them everyday even for a couple of weeks they can be real tough to come off of. The reason is the nervous system gets real erratic/overstimulated after being artificially suppressed for so long. This causes intense anxiety and even odd physical sensations. The person feels worse than they did when they took the first pill. Once someone starts feeling all of that guess how they immediately remedy it? Yep, popping another one. My mom has been hooked to Xanex for years. A few years ago she had a medical procedure done and they would not let her have her Xanex. She was literally freaking out and not sleeping until she could start taking it again.

Bill, I used to have panic attacks on planes. Normally they would not stop until the plane landed. A few years ago I had one taking off from Madrid heading back to the States. It lasted 9 hours which was hell. That event kicked off a severe anxiety disorder for me that lasted until I finally learned how to overcome it.

So are you afraid to fly? I discovered that I wasn't really afraid to fly (like worrying too much about crashing, etc). My initial anxiety attacks on planes were being fueled by "what if" thoughts like thinking about if I had a serious medical issue that I would be stuck in the air and could not be helped, etc. Then I started having panic attacks because I was thinking or worrying about having a panic attack. Once the thought entered my mind they would start. For years I wouldn't go places because I refused to fly because of all of that.

Once I learned how to deal with anxiety I could fly anxiety free. Now I want to travel places.

I don't know that I'm physically afraid to fly per se. Like you I tend to run through "what if scenarios". This starts the second I arrive at the airport. There's times where I feel the anxiety rising while driving to the airport. Fortunately I don't experience it the whole flight like you used to. Generally for me it's take off and landings. Once at altitude I smooth out a bit..

As far as Xanax go, my doctor knows that I have an addictive personality. Heck, I know that about myself so I'm kinda glad he won't prescribe it. I also know a couple of people that have "issues" with Xanax. I once was addicted to Afrin.. Yes, Afrin the nasal spray.

I want to address some more issues here

1) Big Toro: Get to a doctor. Stubborness is not an option. What may have happened is the virus didn't damage the heart but it may be out of rhythm, making the heart work harder and making it easier for other viruses and issues to get to you. Just walk in and make yourself better physically and mentally by getting an EKG and Echo test.

2) Flying. This is one of the easiet things to get over. Trust me. More flying (think more cowbell) is the answer. I flew maybe 5 times total in my first 35 years of life. I had my 5th flight do an aborted landing and it scared me to death. I was petrified and the times I did fly were horrible. I went through 5 years where I drove everywhere. When I met my wife, who works for an airline, she wanted to travel non-stop. The first few times was embarrassing. I literally almost was crying on her shoulder....she saus I cried. I read a book, "The Fearless Slyers Handbook" which Quantas puts out and just kept going. It really hits home. Turbulence is like bad roads..bumps inthe sky..it isn't bringing you down. Planes are incredibly advanced now. 610 and I-10 will kill you before a flight. Now I've flown probably 60-70 more trips and I fear nothing. It's fun. Plus it allowed me to go to Italy, Hawaii, Paris and all over the place. I don't take anything or even drink...dehydrates you alot. Believe me, you have to start living through this.

Yes TORO get yo azz to the doctor like I bitched at you Sunday about!!!

See Frog, the opposite is true for me. When I was younger and only flew once a year or so, I was fine. The attacks started when I started flying on weekly basis. For several months at a time, I had to fly to Jacksonville (which really sucked because as I mentioned my issues are typically takeoff and landings). SWA stops in New Orleans and sometimes in Orlando on the way to JAX...

There was a long period of time when I had to fly to Arlington VA. (via Baltimore) for a couple of projects there and finally, we had a vendor for a particular project here in town, but their plant was in New Jersey...

I want to go back to Hawaii sometime early next year, and I'm already stressing about the flight and dealing with the anxiety.


No wonder I used to drink so much! :gun:

FML!

Texecutioner
11-09-2010, 09:23 PM
Sorry, but I will just never understand the "fear of flying" thing. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would be scared to fly when planes hardly ever crash if they're not hijacked or something, but yet folks will jump into vehicles on the freeway while drunk drivers are everywhere killing people, police chases are taking place all the time, people are just randomly driving wreckless, rainstorms, hailstorms, and there are fatal accidents on our freeways in every city every single day.

Flying has nothing on riding in a car in America. The dangers aren't even close. I feel a thousand times more safe on a plane than I do a car.

Texan_Bill
11-09-2010, 09:55 PM
Sorry, but I will just never understand the "fear of flying" thing. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would be scared to fly when planes hardly ever crash if they're not hijacked or something, but yet folks will jump into vehicles on the freeway while drunk drivers are everywhere killing people, police chases are taking place all the time, people are just randomly driving wreckless, rainstorms, hailstorms, and there are fatal accidents on our freeways in every city every single day.

Flying has nothing on riding in a car in America. The dangers aren't even close. I feel a thousand times more safe on a plane than I do a car.

Apparently, you didn't read the posts closely. Fear and anxiety are not mutually exclusive. Yes, WE ALL know that statistically flying is safer than driving.. So what?

I've flown to Europe and back, several times. I've flown to Hawaii a couple/few times. I've traveled on business, extensively. The anxiety is brought on by other factors than just straight fear. As I mentioned to Kevin, once my plane is at altitude I generally settle down.

In a related note, there are a few overpasses/ramps on the freeway that cause me anxiety. Generally speaking, some of the really high ramps with the Beltway... FML!!! It's not a fear of heights, either. I've jumped 8 times from a perfectly good airplane. It's the "what if" scenarios. When I see those marks on the wall in one of those ramps and how high they get, I wonder "what if" I blow a tire and lose control. Am I gonna slam that wall? Am I gonna go that high on the wall? Am I gonna go over the wall???

I'm not sure what caused BA's heart attack, but anxiety surely doesn't help.

GuerillaBlack
11-09-2010, 10:00 PM
Apparently, you didn't read the posts closely. Fear and anxiety are not mutually exclusive.

I've flown to Europe and back, several times. I've flown to Hawaii a couple/few times. I've traveled on business, extensively. The anxiety is brought on by other factors than just straight fear. As I mentioned to Kevin, once my plane is at altitude I generally settle down.

In a related note, there are a few overpasses/ramps on the freeway that cause me anxiety. Generally speaking, some of the really high ramps with the Beltway... FML!!! It's not a fear of heights, either. I've jumped 8 times from a perfectly good airplane. It's the "what if" scenarios. When I see those marks on the wall in one of those ramps and how high they get, I wonder "what if" I blow a tire and lose control. Am I gonna slam that wall? Am I gonna go that high on the wall? Am I gonna go over the wall???

I'm not sure what caused BA's heart attack, but anxiety surely doesn't help.

Those freeway ramps can be something serious, especially for those scared of heights. The Beltway at I-10W interchange always gets my relatives from small town Louisiana. In DFW, they have one interchange that starts at the top of a hill and it connects you to I-20. Then, I-20 has like a 200 foot drop, while curving around a hill, and with no guard rails on either side. I have no idea why they don't put guard rails, because it would be easy for a driver not paying attention, or if there is rain/iced over roads.

But I never understood the fear of flying either. I think people are just afraid that they aren't on the ground and there is nothing they can do if something goes wrong. Same reason why people are afraid of roller coasters. Anxiety is a big issue. I personally love driving on the freeway, but I know girls my age who try to avoid the freeway because it's too wide and there are too many cars. Is there such thing as freeway anxiety?

Texan_Bill
11-09-2010, 10:08 PM
Those freeway ramps can be something serious, especially for those scared of heights. The Beltway at I-10W interchange always gets my relatives from small town Louisiana. In DFW, they have one interchange that starts at the top of a hill and it connects you to I-20. Then, I-20 has like a 200 foot drop, while curving around a hill, and with no guard rails on either side. I have no idea why they don't put guard rails, because it would be easy for a driver not paying attention, or if there is rain/iced over roads.

But I never understood the fear of flying either. I think people are just afraid that they aren't on the ground and there is nothing they can do if something goes wrong. Same reason why people are afraid of roller coasters. Anxiety is a big issue. I personally love driving on the freeway, but I know girls my age who try to avoid the freeway because it's too wide and there are too many cars. Is there such thing as freeway anxiety?

Dude, that was one of the interchanges I was referring to... I think some people forget it was one of those interchanges that collapsed (while under construction)... "What if?" That said, I will NOT take an alternative route just avoid said interchanges. I nut up and do it.

Again, fear and anxiety are not mutually exclusive.