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TexansFight
10-25-2010, 10:32 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

Big Lou
10-25-2010, 10:37 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

You can't compare the Titans versus the Giants versus us. That never works, teams all match up differently, besides we never showed up anyway.

As far as the season goes I think it is what it is. This team is so unpredictable they could run the table and lose in the first round of the playoffs.

We have no choice but to take this team one game at a time, so don't go buying playoff tickets yet, but hey you never know.

If we take the Colts on Monday that will go a long way to shore up this teams confidence.

Remember last year the D sucked and then became respectable, we might get lucky again this year. The O has always been a little sluggish.

SrslySirius
10-25-2010, 10:45 PM
You can't compare the Titans versus the Giants versus us. That never works, teams all match up differently, besides we never showed up anyway.

Awww, can we please? Pretty please?

ASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Denver Broncos safety Brian Dawkins(notes) is having lots of fun watching Kyle Orton(notes) throw the ball around.

“It’s funny how this has worked out as far as the passing attack,” Dawkins said, “when it was considered at the beginning to be a weak part of our team.”

Not now. Not the way Orton is throwing the ball. He completed 35 of 50 passes for 341 yards despite being sacked six times, and found Correll Buckhalter(notes) for a 6-yard touchdown pass with 1:33 left to rally the Broncos to a 26-20 win Sunday over the Tennessee Titans.

Denver receiver Brandon Lloyd(notes) called knowledge power and said Orton is benefiting from being in his second season with coach Josh McDaniels’ offense.

“He is just turning out to be a really good quarterback,” Lloyd said.

Thanks to Orton’s performance, the Broncos (2-2) started a two-game road swing with a win. He also got plenty of help from a defense that limited the Titans (2-2) to 46 yards on offense and just three first downs in the second half. Chris Johnson ran for 53 yards on 19 carries with his longest run of eight yards giving the Titans their lone first down in the fourth quarter.

McDaniels said Denver blitzed two outside linebackers 55 or 60 times to contain Johnson.

Denver > Tennessee
Oakland > Denver (59-14, lol)
Houston > Oakland

Therefore...

Houston > Tennessee by at least 60 points per game.

Section516
10-25-2010, 10:45 PM
Texans Fans: Expect the worst, hope for the best.

utahmark
10-25-2010, 11:17 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.


i'm kinda worried myself.

TexCanada
10-25-2010, 11:26 PM
Denver > Tennessee
Oakland > Denver (59-14, lol)
Houston > Oakland

Therefore...

Houston > Tennessee by at least 60 points per game.

I like this reasoning. Super Bowl here we come!!

TexCanada
10-25-2010, 11:31 PM
OK. We are 4-2 right now, and thus far have had the worst defense in the NFL. Our guys are young and can only get better, even if it is only slightly better. We have dealt with injuries and suspensions, but have battled through it nicely. The Cush and Duane Brown are back, and hopefully Bentley, Adibi and Sharpton are back too.

I have the oddest feeling that DeMeco getting injured is going to fire up this defense. I know, its stupid, but sometimes guys step up their game when a star guy goes down.

devo-x
10-25-2010, 11:38 PM
You must be thinking about the Cowboys (not the Texans)

ThaShark316
10-26-2010, 03:55 AM
One less fan to high-five when we smash indy again.

Peace out, Cubs fan.

Goatcheese
10-26-2010, 04:29 AM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

Watching all the games this week just made me think "any given Sunday" all day long. I mean come on, the moon, planets, stars, galaxies, and probably a few galaxy clusters had to align just right for the Faiders to put up 59 points on any team, ever.

The Titans looked terrible for 3 quarters and then suddenly went all Kubiak on the Eagles to close out the game. Both teams looked beatable to me.

The Texans are a momentum team so it's difficult to tell who they can beat or when they can beat them. If they get kicked in the face and have a boot on their neck they'll quit and mope. If they land a couple of shots you had better keep your guard up because they'll be landing the haymakers.

drewmar74
10-26-2010, 08:19 AM
Ummm, no.

It'll be a tough remaining schedule but I don't think the wheels are going to come off.

thegr8fan
10-26-2010, 09:00 AM
I mean come on, the moon, planets, stars, galaxies, and probably a few galaxy clusters had to align just right for the Faiders to put up 59 points on any team, ever. Or the NFL just has to issue sever fines with the threat of suspension following it, for 'illegal' hits. Which made alot of defense's play 'scared' football.

As for the 'bottem falling out' thought, no. I think we are doing better than I expected this year with wins. The difference between a win and a loss in the NFL is microfine splitting of hairs. Look at Dallas and Giants last night. Giants turned it over all night long. Which typically results in a loss. But they won it. We have had games in the past we should have won and we lost.

Whatever is going on with the Texans right now, we are finding ways to WIN. And I am going to enjoy the ride until the bitter end and not go around waiting for the 'other shoe to drop. Just a matter of perspective.

HOU-TEX
10-26-2010, 09:03 AM
Re: Anyone else have the feeling that the bottom is about to drop on our season?

If our D is unable to get better.....damn right I do

Texan_Bill
10-26-2010, 09:04 AM
Anyone else have the feeling that the bottom is about to drop on our season

No!!

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 09:10 AM
Whatever is going on with the Texans right now, we are finding ways to WIN. And I am going to enjoy the ride until the bitter end and not go around waiting for the 'other shoe to drop. Just a matter of perspective.

The lone bright spot for out franchise this year.


& it's a good one.

False Start
10-26-2010, 09:33 AM
No!!

My answer exactly. Lets just wait and see what happens over the next few weeks before we run around saying the sky is falling.

Ryan
10-26-2010, 09:38 AM
if we lose the next 3 games, then yes. But until then, we are still very much in it. These next 3 games all are very winnable, but also very dangerous. This will be the true test of where our team is at.

El Tejano
10-26-2010, 09:42 AM
I don't think the bottom is dropping or that the sky is falling. I just see a challenge ahead and our team has to respond. Plain and simple. I'm not going to be scared of a team because their name is The Colts, Philly with Vick, and Titans or Chargers. I certainly don't want to root for a team that gets scared of that either. If there is one thing I can say about this team is that we can beat anybody on the schedule.

While people are saying that San Diego losing and Denver losing to Oakland and us beating Oakland doesn't mean anything. I would say it doesn't guarantee a win but it does show that anyone can beat anyone. That is why we will play the games.

Someone said that our defense getting fired up because of Demeco gone. I think it will present a problem for offenses because they don't have tape on Cushing playing MLB.

Andre_Johnson
10-26-2010, 09:58 AM
Our Defense can't get much worse in terms of yards allowed and points allowed per game. No bottoms are dropping anytime soon, and The Cush is stepping up to take over at MLB. I can't wait to see the outcome of this!

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 10:04 AM
if we lose the next 3 games, then yes. But until then, we are still very much in it. These next 3 games all are very winnable, but also very dangerous. This will be the true test of where our team is at.

This is the position we've been in the last 2-3 years, going into November with a chance.

Then the bottom fell out.

I believe that is exactly what the OP is talking about.

DexmanC & THE NFL has been talking about this next stretch of games since before the season started. & it don't stop at 3.

@Indy (MNF)
San Diego
@ Jax
@ Jets
Titans
@Philly
Baltimore (MNF)
@ Tennessee
@ Denver
Jax (Jan 2nd)


If we get to the play-offs after that, there should be no question about Kubiak's coaching prowess. Our current record against those teams is the truly horrifying part of the whole thing.

One game at a time.

Ryan
10-26-2010, 10:15 AM
This is the position we've been in the last 2-3 years, going into November with a chance.

Then the bottom fell out.

I believe that is exactly what the OP is talking about.

DexmanC & THE NFL has been talking about this next stretch of games since before the season started. & it don't stop at 3.

@Indy (MNF)
San Diego
@ Jax
@ Jets
Titans
@Philly
Baltimore (MNF)
@ Tennessee
@ Denver
Jax (Jan 2nd)


If we get to the play-offs after that, there should be no question about Kubiak's coaching prowess. Our current record against those teams is the truly horrifying part of the whole thing.

One game at a time.


No doubt. I just mentioned the 3 cause we were in this similar position last year, and these 3 will probably mean the most. The difference between a 7-2 and 4-5 is quite steep, and if we fall in the 4-5 hole, that is something we won't be able to crawl out due to an easier part of the schedule like what happened last year. The 4 games following that will without a doubt be the toughest part, and i'd feel much better about our chances going in 7-2, 6-3, and maybe even 5-4.

Losing all 3 of these next few will be completely unacceptable, and i believe we should win at least 2 of the 3.

El Tejano
10-26-2010, 10:26 AM
No doubt. I just mentioned the 3 cause we were in this similar position last year, and these 3 will probably mean the most. The difference between a 7-2 and 4-5 is quite steep, and if we fall in the 4-5 hole, that is something we won't be able to crawl out due to an easier part of the schedule like what happened last year. The 4 games following that will without a doubt be the toughest part, and i'd feel much better about our chances going in 7-2, 6-3, and maybe even 5-4.

Losing all 3 of these next few will be completely unacceptable, and i believe we should win at least 2 of the 3.

From the very beginning when the schedule came out, the first thing I looked at was the month of November. I along with even Deion Sanders have maintained that November is where you find out what kind of team you have. December will tell you where you are going. The first thing I thought was that we have to atleast go 3-2 in November.

Because I had us at 5-1 before the bye I figured we would be 8-3 by end of November. That's not the case now, but I still think we are good if we are 7-4 by end of November.

It's easier said than done because we've never done it, but winning this week on the road in Indy makes things easier for us because I can see a win over San Diego, @Jags, and Titans. Winning this week could help us get back to 8-3 by end of November, or it could at least mean the possibility of being 7-4 is still at hand.

TheCD
10-26-2010, 10:28 AM
What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.


I feel you, man. I have the luxury of having Sunday Ticket, too. And along with it comes the unfortunate consequence of having kept an eye on the Titans. I don't think people have watched their games as closely as others.

The Titans looked beatable agains the Eagles, sure...but that's the same way in which we snuck out two of our four wins.

I think the Colts' bottom has a chance to fall out, but Peyton may be able to maintain some semblance of respectability. We are just getting to the extremely tough part of our schedule. I think we do have a shot at the Colts on Monday, but if we don't win it's going to put pressure on us the rest of the way. As of right now, we are merely tied with our entire record within our division last year (1-5). We haven't seen the Titans, and we all know that the worse team between us and the Jags always ends up playing tough and pulls off upsets.

I think I'm exactly where you are. We've never been in this position before. We're excited and nervous. We love our team, but we know she'll break our heart if we give her a chance. I'm optimistic that we will win every game...and I never turn a game off (I've come to learn that you have to be a massochist to be a Texans fan).

If the Texans play tough then we'll get to ride out an awesome season. But man...if they don't, we might just have to watch the Titans make a push in the playoffs. And I'm telling you that if there's a Titans/Jets AFC Championship Game, I might have to swear off football until next year...

Double Barrel
10-26-2010, 11:12 AM
This team has been built to beat the Colts, and it honestly would not shock me if they go to Indy and pull out a win. The time is right for it. They've already proven to themselves that this year's team can beat the Colts, and with all the injuries that Indy is suffering, it could happen.

Of course, they have to fight against the Kubiak curse after a bye week and offense needs to come out firing on all cylinders, but it's not too much to ask or expect. Big game, and if they can sweep the Colts and win their first game in Indy in franchise history, the momentum could carry them far.

However, that being said, I would also not be shocked if we get swept by the Titans. The Texans do not respond well to getting punched in the mouth by physical teams, and the Titans are clearly one of those tough teams that can bruise it out. As much as it would suck, I could take getting swept by the Titans and losing to the Cowboys in a single season if we still ended up in the playoffs (regardless of the outcome of a playoff game at this point).

TheCD
10-26-2010, 11:23 AM
However, that being said, I would also not be shocked if we get swept by the Titans. The Texans do not respond well to getting punched in the mouth by physical teams, and the Titans are clearly one of those tough teams that can bruise it out. As much as it would suck, I could take getting swept by the Titans and losing to the Cowboys in a single season if we still ended up in the playoffs (regardless of the outcome of a playoff game at this point).

I am very worried about the Titans. However, it seems as though the Texans hate them enough to get fired up for the game. It took Kris Brown blowing the game against them last year over and over for them to win. I think we might be alright. But you're right, they are the type of physical team that we don't respond well to.

sbalderrama
10-26-2010, 11:25 AM
what I got from watching some Red Zone last weekend is that the entire league is unstable. There is no dominant super team, and lots of teams that have good days and bad days like the Texans. Texans have as good a shot as anyone in the current environment, especially if they can get the defense even shored up a little bit. The Texans offense can overpower most anyone, so they'll win their share of games. But unless the defense comes up a little the team can't survive an off day by the offense, which would probably mean a short trip in the playoffs if they make it in.

Thorn
10-26-2010, 11:28 AM
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Yankee_In_TX
10-26-2010, 11:29 AM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

My biggest gripe?? We're the Cowboys only win. They clearly suck. We clearly were out coached. Period. Hence our inconsistency. hence me thinking even if we squeek into the playoffs we'll get pwned.

Every subsequent loss by the Cowboys makes me angrier and angrier at the way we played them.

*edit* And IMHO we need to split with the Titans but I think we're going to drop both games. They're going to out physical our O-Line and stop our offense. And Lord knows our D won't stop even the mediorce titans offense.

TheCD
10-26-2010, 11:30 AM
what I got from watching some Red Zone last weekend is that the entire league is unstable. There is no dominant super team, and lots of teams that have good days and bad days like the Texans. Texans have as good a shot as anyone in the current environment, especially if they can get the defense even shored up a little bit. The Texans offense can overpower most anyone, so they'll win their share of games. But unless the defense comes up a little the team can't survive an off day by the offense, which would probably mean a short trip in the playoffs if they make it in.

I agree with you for the most part, but I think the Jets and Titans (as much as I hate their teams) are pretty steady and solid. The Titans started out in a funk this weekend, but Kenny Britt took that game over and won it for them when they needed someone to step up. The Jets are overrated, but outside the first week of the season, have been pretty dominant and consistent. The Colts look human this year, so I'd say the Titans and us are going to be fighting hard for the division. The Colts might squeeze into number 2, but both us and the Titans control our destiny against them.

Blake
10-26-2010, 11:42 AM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

I feel you. I think that we will have a rough month when we play @ Jets
Titans - @Philly - Baltimore (MNF) - @Tennessee - @ Denver. But we can only do this one game at a time. So bring on the colts. Its time to rock.

ChampionTexan
10-26-2010, 11:47 AM
My biggest gripe?? We're the Cowboys only win. They clearly suck. We clearly were out coached. Period. Hence our inconsistency. hence me thinking even if we squeek into the playoffs we'll get pwned.

Every subsequent loss by the Cowboys makes me angrier and angrier at the way we played them.



And the Saints coughed one up at home to the Browns (in blowout fashion no-less), and the Titans dropped one at home to a Bronco team that just got *****-slapped (again at home) 59-14 by a team we beat in their house.

If you want to read much into one game you're playing a losing hand. The NFL season's way too short as it is, let's have the schedule play out and see what it does for us or to us.

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 11:48 AM
The Colts look human this year, so I'd say the Titans and us are going to be fighting hard for the division. The Colts might squeeze into number 2, but both us and the Titans control our destiny against them.

Don't sleep on the Jags, They beat the Colts too, & if we've got a shot to beat the Titans, they've got a shot to beat the Titans.

Oh yeah, & they swept us last year, looking worse than they do this year.

GP
10-26-2010, 11:51 AM
what I got from watching some Red Zone last weekend is that the entire league is unstable. There is no dominant super team, and lots of teams that have good days and bad days like the Texans. Texans have as good a shot as anyone in the current environment, especially if they can get the defense even shored up a little bit. The Texans offense can overpower most anyone, so they'll win their share of games. But unless the defense comes up a little the team can't survive an off day by the offense, which would probably mean a short trip in the playoffs if they make it in.

I bolded the portion that I want to reply to.

I think you are onto something here.

I wonder if the threat of no football in 2011 is having an impact on the league's players as a whole? You're right when you say that a team looks like a world beater one week, then they drop two games to teams they shouldn't. There's some weird stuff going on.

Usually, by about week 5 or 6, you see which teams are for real and which teams have no chance at all. Not so this year! Anything can happen.

The bottom could fall out for ANY team at ANY moment right now. I hope we catch those "top teams" on their way down, and that's going to boost us a whole bunch. That's my prayer, at least.

Thorn
10-26-2010, 11:52 AM
And the Saints coughed one up at home to the Browns (in blowout fashion no-less), and the Titans dropped one at home to a Bronco team that just got *****-slapped (again at home) 59-14 by a team we beat in their house.

If you want to read much into one game you're playing a losing hand. The NFL season's way too short as it is, let's have the schedule play out and see what it does for us or to us.

Good post.

NFL parity has really shown up this season with no one team looking completely dominate. Last season the Texans bumbled, fumbled and mis-kicked their way out of the playoffs. This season, if they can hold down the errors, maybe we get into the playoffs. However, until that wretched defense is fixed, we ain't getting close to the Super Bowl, but getting into the playoffs is very do-able for this team.

TimeKiller
10-26-2010, 12:00 PM
Old Texans team would

@Indy ; lose
San Diego ; lose
@ Jax ; lose
@ Jets ; lose
Titans ; lose
@Philly ; lose and since now it doesn't matter if they win
Baltimore ; win
@ Tennessee ; win
@ Denver ; win
Jax ; win

8-8

New Texans team that "finds ways to win" possibly

@Indy ; win, Indy is too beat up, Texans feel good about beating them once so they do it again
San Diego ; win, on a roll is an understatement and San Diego sucks.
@ Jax ; lose. I know.
@ Jets ; lose....I know. It hurts doesn't it?
Titans ; lose. Come on they can't beat the Titans can they?
@Philly ; win. Philly isn't great at anything, even their D looks worse than it used to
Baltimore ; lose. Pfft, yeah right, keep dreaming *******s.
@ Tennessee ; win. It would be just like them to go into Hickville and win wouldn't it?
@ Denver ; win. Pssh. Ain't takin no crap from Denver.
Jax ; win, Jax is out of it and doesn't care

10-6, Maybe playoffs.

Hervoyel
10-26-2010, 12:48 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

<with apologies to Marsellus Wallace and expecting the filters to block out all the bad words>

In the days prior to a big Texans game, you may feel a slight sting. That's history ****ing with you. **** history. When you're a Texans fan history only hurts, it never helps.

You see, Reliant Stadium is filled to the brim with unrealistic mother****ers. Mother****ers who thought that David Carr would age like wine. If you mean his career turned to vinegar, it did. If you mean it got better with age, it didn't.

I think you are gonna find, when this **** is over... I think you're gonna find yourself one smilin' mother****er. The thing is TexansFight, right now, the Texans got ability and they're going to go play the Colts in Indy. The Colts are good but painful as it may be, injuries happen and dynastys don't last. Their days are just about over. Now that's a hard mother****in' fact of life. But it's a fact of life Colts fan is gonna hafta get realistic about.

TheCD
10-26-2010, 12:51 PM
Don't sleep on the Jags, They beat the Colts too, & if we've got a shot to beat the Titans, they've got a shot to beat the Titans.

Oh yeah, & they swept us last year, looking worse than they do this year.

No worries about sleeping on the Jags here...if there's one constant in the AFC South it's that the worse team between the Texans and Jags will play extremely tough and be likely to pull upsets every year between one another.

Scooter
10-26-2010, 02:52 PM
i'm trying very hard to remain optomistic, and think that the opposite is about to happen. each season we reach a point where the defense "figures it out" and after a bye week i think this is that point. most years we're starting fairly quick on offense but havent done that at all this year, combined with a high number of interceptions from schaub so far. i think the colts in a national game give us the opportunity to return to tradition on offense - to play cleaner and come out faster.

if anything, our first 6 games have been where the bottom fell out but we've fought back in games to have a strong record thus far. with bigger division games coming up and a well timed bye week to prepare, we should be feeling pretty good and expecting significant improvement.

Marcus
10-26-2010, 03:18 PM
I know this is message board, and this is what message board posters do . . . over analyze things to death.

But there's nothing weird about this season. This is a typical season that's just like all the other seasons.

And every single season, you have the same scenario . . . where fans like to use logic where logic clearly doesn't belong. . . .

It goes like this. If Team A slaughters Team B on a given day, and then on another given day, Team B slaughters Team C, then its "logical to ASSume" that on another given day, Team A will slaughter Team C.

Right?:rolleyes:

Every Sunday, some teams are going to come out flat, while other teams are going to be ready to play. You never know for sure who those teams are until after the games are played.

ObsiWan
10-26-2010, 03:29 PM
what I got from watching some Red Zone last weekend is that the entire league is unstable. There is no dominant super team, and lots of teams that have good days and bad days like the Texans. Texans have as good a shot as anyone in the current environment, especially if they can get the defense even shored up a little bit. The Texans offense can overpower most anyone, so they'll win their share of games. But unless the defense comes up a little the team can't survive an off day by the offense, which would probably mean a short trip in the playoffs if they make it in.

This is why I worry about each and every game.

Who wouldda thunk that the lowly Browns would beat the champs - in the SuperDome no less?

Who wouldda thunk that the Bills would have racked up 31 pts against the "mighty" Ravens' defense? Oh and I think the Bills got robbed too - that play where Ray Lewis stripped the ball away was allowed to go on waaaay too long. Even the announcers wondered why the whistle hadn't blown.

Who wouldda thunk that Matt Moore would have thrown for 300+ yds on Samari Mike's defense? And he only had Steve Smith for part of the game.

Who wouldda thunk that both the Chefs and the Raydahs would have better records than the Chargers? Or that the Chefs would have the only winning record in that division??

Who wouldda figured that Tampa Bay would come back to win after being down 17-3?

This modern-day NFL is a weirrrrrd league my friends. I've stopped deluding myself by pretending that I understand it any more. I just watch the games and hope we find a way to win.
I don't even care how any more.
Just win baby.
:turtle:

ObsiWan
10-26-2010, 03:31 PM
I know this is message board, and this is what message board posters do . . . over analyze things to death.

But there's nothing weird about this season. This is a typical season that's just like all the other seasons.

And every single season, you have the same scenario . . . where fans like to use logic where logic clearly doesn't belong. . . .

It goes like this. If Team A slaughters Team B on a given day, and then on another given day, Team B slaughters Team C, then its "logical to ASSume" that on another given day, Team A will slaughter Team C.

Right?:rolleyes:

Every Sunday, some teams are going to come out flat, while other teams are going to be ready to play. You never know for sure who those teams are until after the games are played.

that's about all one can count on.
and I still say it's weird
:D

ATXtexanfan
10-26-2010, 06:12 PM
so far as i'm concerned the D cant get worse and the O hasn't hit its stride. we are 4-2 and havent played a complete game yet. also playoff hopes and positioning is in the hands of the texans

valleytexfan
10-26-2010, 07:51 PM
Lots of "ifs" here but bare with me:

Yes, the defense is terrible. No question. But, to their 1% credit, they've gotten more turnovers as of late and did get a COUPLE of slow-downs (not stops) against K.C. that allowed the offense to catch up and ultimately win the game.
"IF" the offense is on its game, then the defense needs only a handful of slow-downs to keep us in it. (Yes, I know we'd love to stop them every time, but you get the picture)
"IF" the offense is struggling, then the defense obviously needs more STOPS and that could be a problem if they don't buckle down.

Point is, you could look at this way: Yeah the defense needs work BIG TIME. But "IF" the offense is on a roll, we'll be in a ton of games and there'll be less needed from the defense to get wins...which is the ultimate goal, right?

Does this make sense? I like the games the Texans have coming up and I hope I don't sound total homer.

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 08:55 PM
Does this make sense? I like the games the Texans have coming up and I hope I don't sound total homer.

Of course it makes sense...... but only to me, no one else appears to be buying it.

FYI..

On 5 first half possessions, the KC Chiefs punted on 3 of the first four possessions. That last drive which scored a TD never would have happened, if the Texans didn't punt on 3 of their 4 first half possessions. Had they not gone 3 & out on 2 of those drives, the Chiefs never would have got the ball back for that final score.

In the second half, even after losing Demeco, we forced a field goal, a punt, and of course Amobi's sack to end the game.

As bad as our defense is, we were able to manage a few stops.

Carr Bombed
10-26-2010, 09:13 PM
BOOOO!!! Negative Thread!

HOORAY....BEER!!!!!


Don't get me wrong....I agree with alot of your worrisome points in this thread, but I'm floating on a 4-2 high and as a "from day 1 Texans fan" don't I atleast deserve to live in a bye week fantasy where the walls are all fuzzy (rub the walls, it'll blow your mind)?....seriously.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/550061/get-him-to-the-greek-hill-diddy.jpg

In years past, with this teams current play they'd be 2-4, but unlike years' past their pulling crap out of their collective asses instead of taking a total collective **** in the 4th quarter.

Please let me enjoy this and do not remind me of our shortcomings, as a Texans fan I've been tortured enough.....LET ME HAVE THIS!

We're 4-2! bitches and we're in position to get a season sweep over the Colts.

Lets bump this thread and ***** and moan when that time comes.. :)

houstonspartan
10-27-2010, 12:24 AM
Lots of "ifs" here but bare with me:

Yes, the defense is terrible. No question. But, to their 1% credit, they've gotten more turnovers as of late and did get a COUPLE of slow-downs (not stops) against K.C. that allowed the offense to catch up and ultimately win the game.
"IF" the offense is on its game, then the defense needs only a handful of slow-downs to keep us in it. (Yes, I know we'd love to stop them every time, but you get the picture)
"IF" the offense is struggling, then the defense obviously needs more STOPS and that could be a problem if they don't buckle down.

Point is, you could look at this way: Yeah the defense needs work BIG TIME. But "IF" the offense is on a roll, we'll be in a ton of games and there'll be less needed from the defense to get wins...which is the ultimate goal, right?

Does this make sense? I like the games the Texans have coming up and I hope I don't sound total homer.

No.

Dude, you CAN NOT simply say "our offense will score points for us and we will win games." That's not how football works.

The defense HAS to do its part by slowing down the opponent.

I think it's lazy to assume that Schaub and Andre are going to take us to the promised land.

Norg
10-27-2010, 01:31 AM
i have noticed the colts and TItans have done good aganist the NFC east so far

we still have a chance to go 2-2 in the NFC east if we beat Phily

titans are 3-0 in the NFCE so what

the titans havent played much in there own divison just like us thats were it matters they havent even played the colts yet

and when we sweep the colts and wip the chargers 6-2 things will be quite different around here

Hookem Horns
10-27-2010, 02:04 AM
titans are 3-0 in the NFCE so what



The day the Titans played the Giants I was sitting through the Cowboys debaucle at Reliant. Boy what a day that was for me as a Texans and Giants fan. I think the Giants game was similar to the Eagles one. The Giants dominated for a while then kept shooting themselves in the foot with turnovers. They did the same thing on MNF vs the Cowboys, the difference is the Titans took advantage and the Cowboys just suck.

Kudos to Fisher. He has done real well against the NFC East ever since he got here/there. Before Fisher the Oilers were historically horrible against the NFC East. While in Houston they never once beat the Eagles in their history (I was always reminded of that fact when I lived in Philly and I personally set through a few of those). Their record against the Giants was pretty bad too. I honestly don't remember the Houston Oilers ever beating the Giants, at least not from the 80's onward. The Oilers did play the Redskins and Cowboys better however not sure about the head to head records.

As for Fisher he would do well in the NFC East as a coach. Let's just pray that he doesn't become Wade's successor.

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 04:32 AM
No.

Dude, you CAN NOT simply say "our offense will score points for us and we will win games." That's not how football works.

The defense HAS to do its part by slowing down the opponent.

I think it's lazy to assume that Schaub and Andre are going to take us to the promised land.

Isn't that what the Colts have been doing for the last 8 years?

dalemurphy
10-27-2010, 07:06 AM
I'm actually feeling very good about the season right now... Here's an article I wrote yesterday explaining myself a little bit:


I confess that I am a renowned optimist. At 0-4 in 2008, I predicted the Texans would win 8-9 games by the seasonís end. Last season, at 5-5, I predicted a 10 win season. I just wrote an article arguing that this team may win 12 games if the offensive stars stay healthy. Perhaps Iím a little crazy. Though, if you notice, the predictions for í08 and í09 werenít far from reality, though I was heckled for them at the time. Also in my defense, I am not blindly optimistic. In 2005, I realized in the second quarter of the first home game of the season (Pittsburgh) that the team was an absolute disaster and that the team had quit on the staff and the talent was nowhere near what I thought it was in 2004. Why am I building a case for myself? Well, because Iím ready for another prediction that will smell of rose-colored glasses and wide-eyed homerismÖ Are you ready? Well, it isnít a prediction so much as an assertion. The coaching staff finally got it! By that, I mean they have a handle on the team and the season in a way that was lacking before. The attitude and moves made the past few days indicate a level of clarity that will be noticable on the field and lead to a highly successful season and probably also impact the next few seasons positively.

What decisions, you may ask?:

1. Cushing moving to MLB- This move indicates out of the box thinkingÖ something Iíve doubted this staff could do. Other reasonable and less disruptive options were available. For instance, they could have elected to simply plug and play Bentley or Sharpton at MLB. Or, they could have slid Diles to MLB and plugged in Adibi or Sharpton at WLB. Any of those options to replace Demeco at MLB would serve as reasonable damage-control. However, damage-control is not what they decided on. Instead, the staff got together and looked at all the defensive issues and how the position related to those issues. We have been awful in Cover2 zone. Both Diles and Demeco really struggle to make the deep drop required by the MLB in the Cover2 and neither have the instincts in coverage to be playmakers downfield. Well, Cushing runs a 4.6 fourty instead of Demecoís or Dilesí 4.9 fourty. And, Cushing certainly has instincts! (sorry about the rap music. Itís the best highlight video available) This is a guy we want in the middle of the field at the snap as much as possible. What the staff has done is said that they are going to make their defensive playmakers the literal and figurative center of the defense. It is a move to get better and not a move to plug a leak. And, this is a new attitude for this coaching staff.

2. Waiving Frank Okam and the promotion of Malcolm Sheppard- Good riddance! He was actually playing better than I expected. But, when your a defense that isnít making plays, it is ludicrous to hold on to a 3rd year run stuffing prospect that is totally unreliable and has zero playmaking abilities in lieu of a rookie with a great motor and a ton of talent and playmaking ability. An already horizontally challenged DT group just got even leaner. However, we also replaced a non-playmaker with a playmaker. That is a net gain!

3. Tim Jamison signed to practice squad- I argued a few weeks ago that I think the defensive end situation wouldíve been stronger if we had simply kept Jamison instead of chasing our tails with guys like Denney and Ogunleye. Well, Ogunley and Mark Anderson are still here but they recognized their error and brought back Tim Jamison. Barring Mark Anderson returning to rookie form, expect to see Tim Jamison in the DL rotation by week 10 and making some heavy contributions. He is a very good pass rusher, in my opinion.

4. The general attitude towards the defensive problems and how to combat them- Instead of yawning on about needing to improve, etcÖ there has been a realization that the Texans offense and the special teams will need to play better and carry the team. It isnít the words so much as the tone and attitude. Kubiak doesnít sound defeated, but he sounds committed to winning now. The Cushing move to the middle fits with this perspective. With Cushing at MLB, there will likely be some errors in defensive calls and alignment in the short term (more than if Bentley was in the middle) but it will also create more plays from the defense. It is an aggressive mentality. If Cushing causes a blown assignment and an 80 yard TD then the offensive will just go back out there and return the favor. Then, perhaps, next series Cushing will make a huge play and create a turnover or knock down a pass on third down. Though this sounds unspectacular, this is very different thinking from this team. While I donít expect (nor want) Rick Dennison to start calling games like Mike Martz, I think we will notice greater energy and focus from the offense to score each time it has the ball. Again, that may sound silly on its face. However, often an offenseís primary goal, depending on situation, may be only to get a first down and eat some clock, or it could be simply to take care of the ball and change the field position. Sometimes, the offense is up seven points with 2:30 left in the second and the focus is on getting a field goal. With this team, that will be the case much less than it has been. So, I am very much looking forward to that.

5. Freedom/trust instilled in Matt Schaub- Last Monday, during the Kubiak hour on SR610, Kubiak answered a question regarding Schaubís ability to call audibles. As many of you know, in their system, the QB doesnít really call traditional audibles although there is a system in place to get out of the wrong playcall. However, what he said after that was very interesting! Kubiak said that ďMatt goes at it on his own most of the time in the two minute drill.Ē It was clear to me that Coach Kubiak allows Schaub to call plays in the hurry-up offense. Now that is interesting and very encouraging. It also sounded as though this is the first season he has been given that freedom.

6. Defensive Players reaction coming out of the bye- I like the accountability that I am reading from the players. It also seems clear that they recognize what the problems on defense have been. Clearly, the staff has been able to accurately identify the problems and also successfully communicate them to the players. Hopefully, this will lead to some immediate corrections. From www.houstontexans.com, this is what Bernard Pollard said after practice today:

(on if theyíve made it clear they are sticking with the defensive backs) ďObviously, theyíre not making any moves with any safeties or corners. You guys see that. We see that. I think that shows us how much they trust in us. Itís not about the talent. Itís really not. Itís about us making mistakes. We make the stupidest mistakes in the craziest times in the game. You look at the Dallas game, we were in the game all the way to the end of third/fourth quarter and we make mistakes. With us, when it rains, it pours. Thatís what happens with us in our secondary. It starts with me. Iím supposed to be a captain on this team. Iím supposed to be a leader in that secondary and Iím doing everything that I can. Honestly, I take the blame. The coaches get on me and youíve got to take the criticism. Youíve got to play with tough skin and I am. Iím so excited about whatís to come. We have ten games remaining. Weíre going to take every game one game at a time. We understand where weíre at and we understand where we can go. We know where we want to go. So thatís what weíre going to do. We have to push the envelope. We have to push this thing.Ē

(on his own individual play thus far) ďNot good enough. Itís really not good enough. I have to step up and make plays. I really do. I have to make plays but Iím not going to press it, because pressing it, the last six weeks, thatís what happens when you press it. We have too many guys pressing and youíve got more than one guy or even when you have one guy pressingóitís just about one guy messing up in the secondary and itís always a touchdown. I have to play better. I really do. We all have to play better. Like I said, our offense is number four overalló number one in certain categories. We have to be able to be a backbone. We have to be the backbone of this team. Itís been said so many times, our offense is the Texans. Iím so tired of hearing that. I really am. Iím honestly tired of hearing that. Itís time for us to actually step up and actually do something about it. We have the talent.Ē

Texans Bull Blog (http://www.texansbullblog.com/love-texans-bye-week/featured-articles/)- to see the links, etc.. with the story

disaacks3
10-27-2010, 12:00 PM
Old Texans team would

@Indy ; lose
San Diego ; lose
@ Jax ; lose
@ Jets ; lose
Titans ; lose
@Philly ; lose and since now it doesn't matter if they win
Baltimore ; win
@ Tennessee ; win
@ Denver ; win
Jax ; win

8-8

New Texans team that "finds ways to win" possibly

@Indy ; win, Indy is too beat up, Texans feel good about beating them once so they do it again
San Diego ; win, on a roll is an understatement and San Diego sucks.
@ Jax ; lose. I know.
@ Jets ; lose....I know. It hurts doesn't it?
Titans ; lose. Come on they can't beat the Titans can they?
@Philly ; win. Philly isn't great at anything, even their D looks worse than it used to
Baltimore ; lose. Pfft, yeah right, keep dreaming *******s.
@ Tennessee ; win. It would be just like them to go into Hickville and win wouldn't it?
@ Denver ; win. Pssh. Ain't takin no crap from Denver.
Jax ; win, Jax is out of it and doesn't care

10-6, Maybe playoffs.

I see 'em this way...
@Indy ; win - they're beat up and they can't stop our running game.
San Diego ; lose - they're due, why not against the Texans who stink at home.
@ Jax ; win - Oregon wishes they had Jax on the schedule
@ Jets ; lose - they killed us here last year and they'll be at home this time
Titans ; win - Crowd will be a factor - Collins/Young get sacked thrice
@Philly ; win- I finally amke it to a road game, they HAVE to win!
Baltimore ; lose - The Ravens shut down our offense, our defense can't stop theirs
@ Tennessee ; lose - no sweep of Bud's team, just enough to win
@ Denver ; win - they think the Raiders offense looked strong...
Jax ; win - Sweep our new doormats.

10-6 - battling for a playoff spot.

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 12:02 PM
I'm actually feeling very good about the season right now... Here's an article I wrote yesterday explaining myself a little bit:


I confess that I am a renowned optimist.

Great post, I too can't help but be optimistic about this team & Kubiak, some of the same reasons as you, but my reads on the moves are slightly different.

First, I'm really optimistic about Kubiak, because when they talk, they all deliver the same message Kubiak gives at the podium. "It's not one or two guys, it's the group. We all have to get better. It's not the defense, or the offense, we're one group."

That tells me the players not only "like" him, they believe in him. They believe in his system, & they believe he can take them to the promised land.

So until the players start delivering "their own" message, I'm a GK supporter.

But about the moves. Yes, moving Cushing to the middle makes the most sense, because he can drop & play the pass much better than any of our LBs have demonstrated they can. He's instinctive & right most of the time, he can read the QB, & he understand you don't stand where the little X is when the coach draws it up on the board, the whole area is your responsibility.

Okam was a big body..... period. Hopefully useful on goal line situations. With Cushing in the middle (no offense to Demeco) you don't really need that big body anymore. In goal line situations, I think we'll be hearing Cushing's name a lot more.

Bringing up Sheppard gives you a true three man rotation if Mitchell is hurt.... if Mitchell can play, that gives you 4. We've got to get an 8 man rotation going up front. If our offense doesn't get started early, our D is going to be on the field for a long time. Smallish DTs & DEs that are quick & strong aren't built for that.

Jamison, we've got 10 weeks to go. Let's put this guy on the payroll & keep him in shape in the event we need him down the line.

The only thing I think I would have done differently would be to move Diles back to the strong side & put Adibi/Sharpton in at the Will. But that is more to address our pass defense. With Diles & Bentley, it appears the focus is still to stop the run, & I'm fine with that.

Double Barrel
10-27-2010, 12:19 PM
My thoughts:

@Indy : WIN - historic sweep and first win in Indy. They're down and we're due.
San Diego : LOSE - a tough, physical team that desperately needs wins. We'll be due for a letdown after sweeping Indy for the first time, and we don't play physical teams very well this season.
@ Jax : WIN - The Texans will be chasing the Titans in the division race at this point, so they rise up and beat a team that we've traditionally played well against.
@ Jets : LOSE - One of the physical teams that I just don't see us beating, especially if they shut down our offense and our D can't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag.
Titans : LOSE - VY does it again...unfortunately. He's inspired to play in his hometown, and the Texans hardly ever seem to rise up in games that fans are really passionate about (see the Cowboys game). Plus, another physical team that has it's way with the finesse, but I think the score will be close.
@ Philly : LOSE - Vick runs and passes through our soft D like a hot knife through melted butter.
Baltimore : LOSE - The Ravens D dials in our number, stops the run game, and chases #8 all day long. They have no problem scoring on Mr. Whipple...errrr...our defense.
@ Tennessee : WIN - because desperation is kicking in and the Titans are arrogant enough at this point to play sloppy football that we capitalize on. Another close game with the Titans.
@ Denver : WIN - If the Raiders can score 59 on this D, our offense should have a field day. Expect a 52-51 score, though. hehe
Jax : WIN - Sweeping another division rival this season for a 5-1 division record and a game we have to win for a winning record.

I see 9-7, and not sure if this is good enough for a wildcard playoff spot in the AFC, but it's definitely good enough to keep the head coach, especially with the division record.

Much nail-biting by Texans fans and more "next year" talk by talking heads if we miss the playoffs by thiiiis much.

silvrhand
10-27-2010, 12:23 PM
3. Tim Jamison signed to practice squad- I argued a few weeks ago that I think the defensive end situation wouldíve been stronger if we had simply kept Jamison instead of chasing our tails with guys like Denney and Ogunleye. Well, Ogunley and Mark Anderson are still here but they recognized their error and brought back Tim Jamison. Barring Mark Anderson returning to rookie form, expect to see Tim Jamison in the DL rotation by week 10 and making some heavy contributions. He is a very good pass rusher, in my opinion.


Going to disagree here, if there was really and good chance at talent he would have been picked up at home instead of sitting for the texans for what almost a month? I'm sorry I don't think we'll be finding Benard Pollard diamond in the roughs two years in a row.

2slik4u
10-27-2010, 12:29 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.


Ill tell you what, Im not to excited about our next stretch of games. BUT, our team surprised me when we went 4-2 in the first six games with a win over Indy, and comeback wins over KC and Washington. Especially since the first four games we didnt have Cushing and at one point we didnt have Cushing and Brown.

Im gonna be optimistic and hopefuly the Texans can continue to surprise me. Im definately not going to doom my personal time with pessimism. Theres nothing at all that we fans can do but support our team.

No matter how much we ***** about our defense, coaching, opponents, ref calls, etc, etc, nothing will change the way our Texans play the game. So why get all bent out of shape about everything.

I may be an eternal optimist but life is too short to stay pissed or worried about crap like this........especially since we are 4-2. :texflag:

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 12:37 PM
If we are going 10-6 without a win against the Jets or Baltimore, we're not going to the play-offs.

Surely everyone understands that by now.

I can understand not predicting it.


But we need to stop talking about play-offs, if this team can't beat the Jets or Balt in the regular season.

infantrycak
10-27-2010, 12:51 PM
If we are going 10-6 without a win against the Jets or Baltimore, we're not going to the play-offs.

Surely everyone understands that by now.

Everyone doesn't understand it because it isn't true. Either the Jets or Baltimore or both could win their division. Doesn't matter if they are 15-1 or 14-2 or 10-6 when they do it - a head's up tiebreaker is irrelevant as it doesn't apply between division winners and WC contenders. The questions then become who holds the tiebreakers if the Texans, Patriots and Pittsburgh (most likely) were to end up 10-6.

HOU-TEX
10-27-2010, 01:26 PM
I'm actually feeling very good about the season right now... Here's an article I wrote yesterday explaining myself a little bit:

2. Waiving Frank Okam and the promotion of Malcolm Sheppard- Good riddance! He was actually playing better than I expected. But, when your a defense that isnít making plays, it is ludicrous to hold on to a 3rd year run stuffing prospect that is totally unreliable and has zero playmaking abilities in lieu of a rookie with a great motor and a ton of talent and playmaking ability. An already horizontally challenged DT group just got even leaner. However, we also replaced a non-playmaker with a playmaker. That is a net gain!

Okam was definitely a disappointment, but what has Sheppard done to earn the "playmaker" status? Other than seeing what seems to be a high-motor type ability in training camp we haven't seen him do jack in the NFL.
3. Tim Jamison signed to practice squad- I argued a few weeks ago that I think the defensive end situation wouldíve been stronger if we had simply kept Jamison instead of chasing our tails with guys like Denney and Ogunleye. Well, Ogunley and Mark Anderson are still here but they recognized their error and brought back Tim Jamison. Barring Mark Anderson returning to rookie form, expect to see Tim Jamison in the DL rotation by week 10 and making some heavy contributions. He is a very good pass rusher, in my opinion.

Didn't you show similar love for Dejuan Robinson? LOL! They "recognized their error" by bringing Jamison back? Yep, a monumental mistake releasing another one of your man-crushes. Whether he ends up playing or not, he's not an answer at any position along the Dline. If anything, it shows how crappy our Dline is and always has been.

6. Defensive Players reaction coming out of the bye- I like the accountability that I am reading from the players. It also seems clear that they recognize what the problems on defense have been. Clearly, the staff has been able to accurately identify the problems and also successfully communicate them to the players. Hopefully, this will lead to some immediate corrections. From www.houstontexans.com, this is what Bernard Pollard said after practice today:

The players have been taking the blame since the season started. They just haven't done anything to "walk the walk" after "talking the talk". Pollard has been the biggest talker yet has been a primary cog in the defensive failure.

I'm happy we're 4-2, but refuse to set myself up for more disappointment....again.

DexmanC
10-27-2010, 02:01 PM
Brian Cushing needs to be studying film on Brian Urlacher.

Rey
10-27-2010, 03:37 PM
I'm actually feeling very good about the season right now... Here's an article I wrote yesterday explaining myself a little bit:


I confess that I am a renowned optimist. At 0-4 in 2008, I predicted the Texans would win 8-9 games by the seasonís end. Last season, at 5-5, I predicted a 10 win season. I just wrote an article arguing that this team may win 12 games if the offensive stars stay healthy. Perhaps Iím a little crazy. Though, if you notice, the predictions for í08 and í09 werenít far from reality, though I was heckled for them at the time. Also in my defense, I am not blindly optimistic. In 2005, I realized in the second quarter of the first home game of the season (Pittsburgh) that the team was an absolute disaster and that the team had quit on the staff and the talent was nowhere near what I thought it was in 2004. Why am I building a case for myself? Well, because Iím ready for another prediction that will smell of rose-colored glasses and wide-eyed homerismÖ Are you ready? Well, it isnít a prediction so much as an assertion. The coaching staff finally got it! By that, I mean they have a handle on the team and the season in a way that was lacking before. The attitude and moves made the past few days indicate a level of clarity that will be noticable on the field and lead to a highly successful season and probably also impact the next few seasons positively.

What decisions, you may ask?:

1. Cushing moving to MLB- This move indicates out of the box thinkingÖ something Iíve doubted this staff could do. Other reasonable and less disruptive options were available. For instance, they could have elected to simply plug and play Bentley or Sharpton at MLB. Or, they could have slid Diles to MLB and plugged in Adibi or Sharpton at WLB. Any of those options to replace Demeco at MLB would serve as reasonable damage-control. However, damage-control is not what they decided on. Instead, the staff got together and looked at all the defensive issues and how the position related to those issues. We have been awful in Cover2 zone. Both Diles and Demeco really struggle to make the deep drop required by the MLB in the Cover2 and neither have the instincts in coverage to be playmakers downfield. Well, Cushing runs a 4.6 fourty instead of Demecoís or Dilesí 4.9 fourty. And, Cushing certainly has instincts! (sorry about the rap music. Itís the best highlight video available) This is a guy we want in the middle of the field at the snap as much as possible. What the staff has done is said that they are going to make their defensive playmakers the literal and figurative center of the defense. It is a move to get better and not a move to plug a leak. And, this is a new attitude for this coaching staff.

2. Waiving Frank Okam and the promotion of Malcolm Sheppard- Good riddance! He was actually playing better than I expected. But, when your a defense that isnít making plays, it is ludicrous to hold on to a 3rd year run stuffing prospect that is totally unreliable and has zero playmaking abilities in lieu of a rookie with a great motor and a ton of talent and playmaking ability. An already horizontally challenged DT group just got even leaner. However, we also replaced a non-playmaker with a playmaker. That is a net gain!

3. Tim Jamison signed to practice squad- I argued a few weeks ago that I think the defensive end situation wouldíve been stronger if we had simply kept Jamison instead of chasing our tails with guys like Denney and Ogunleye. Well, Ogunley and Mark Anderson are still here but they recognized their error and brought back Tim Jamison. Barring Mark Anderson returning to rookie form, expect to see Tim Jamison in the DL rotation by week 10 and making some heavy contributions. He is a very good pass rusher, in my opinion.

4. The general attitude towards the defensive problems and how to combat them- Instead of yawning on about needing to improve, etcÖ there has been a realization that the Texans offense and the special teams will need to play better and carry the team. It isnít the words so much as the tone and attitude. Kubiak doesnít sound defeated, but he sounds committed to winning now. The Cushing move to the middle fits with this perspective. With Cushing at MLB, there will likely be some errors in defensive calls and alignment in the short term (more than if Bentley was in the middle) but it will also create more plays from the defense. It is an aggressive mentality. If Cushing causes a blown assignment and an 80 yard TD then the offensive will just go back out there and return the favor. Then, perhaps, next series Cushing will make a huge play and create a turnover or knock down a pass on third down. Though this sounds unspectacular, this is very different thinking from this team. While I donít expect (nor want) Rick Dennison to start calling games like Mike Martz, I think we will notice greater energy and focus from the offense to score each time it has the ball. Again, that may sound silly on its face. However, often an offenseís primary goal, depending on situation, may be only to get a first down and eat some clock, or it could be simply to take care of the ball and change the field position. Sometimes, the offense is up seven points with 2:30 left in the second and the focus is on getting a field goal. With this team, that will be the case much less than it has been. So, I am very much looking forward to that.

5. Freedom/trust instilled in Matt Schaub- Last Monday, during the Kubiak hour on SR610, Kubiak answered a question regarding Schaubís ability to call audibles. As many of you know, in their system, the QB doesnít really call traditional audibles although there is a system in place to get out of the wrong playcall. However, what he said after that was very interesting! Kubiak said that ďMatt goes at it on his own most of the time in the two minute drill.Ē It was clear to me that Coach Kubiak allows Schaub to call plays in the hurry-up offense. Now that is interesting and very encouraging. It also sounded as though this is the first season he has been given that freedom.

6. Defensive Players reaction coming out of the bye- I like the accountability that I am reading from the players. It also seems clear that they recognize what the problems on defense have been. Clearly, the staff has been able to accurately identify the problems and also successfully communicate them to the players. Hopefully, this will lead to some immediate corrections. From www.houstontexans.com, this is what Bernard Pollard said after practice today:

(on if theyíve made it clear they are sticking with the defensive backs) ďObviously, theyíre not making any moves with any safeties or corners. You guys see that. We see that. I think that shows us how much they trust in us. Itís not about the talent. Itís really not. Itís about us making mistakes. We make the stupidest mistakes in the craziest times in the game. You look at the Dallas game, we were in the game all the way to the end of third/fourth quarter and we make mistakes. With us, when it rains, it pours. Thatís what happens with us in our secondary. It starts with me. Iím supposed to be a captain on this team. Iím supposed to be a leader in that secondary and Iím doing everything that I can. Honestly, I take the blame. The coaches get on me and youíve got to take the criticism. Youíve got to play with tough skin and I am. Iím so excited about whatís to come. We have ten games remaining. Weíre going to take every game one game at a time. We understand where weíre at and we understand where we can go. We know where we want to go. So thatís what weíre going to do. We have to push the envelope. We have to push this thing.Ē

(on his own individual play thus far) ďNot good enough. Itís really not good enough. I have to step up and make plays. I really do. I have to make plays but Iím not going to press it, because pressing it, the last six weeks, thatís what happens when you press it. We have too many guys pressing and youíve got more than one guy or even when you have one guy pressingóitís just about one guy messing up in the secondary and itís always a touchdown. I have to play better. I really do. We all have to play better. Like I said, our offense is number four overalló number one in certain categories. We have to be able to be a backbone. We have to be the backbone of this team. Itís been said so many times, our offense is the Texans. Iím so tired of hearing that. I really am. Iím honestly tired of hearing that. Itís time for us to actually step up and actually do something about it. We have the talent.Ē

Texans Bull Blog (http://www.texansbullblog.com/love-texans-bye-week/featured-articles/)- to see the links, etc.. with the story


Good post.

Rey
10-27-2010, 03:40 PM
My thoughts:

@Indy : WIN - historic sweep and first win in Indy. They're down and we're due.
San Diego : LOSE - a tough, physical team that desperately needs wins. We'll be due for a letdown after sweeping Indy for the first time, and we don't play physical teams very well this season.
@ Jax : WIN - The Texans will be chasing the Titans in the division race at this point, so they rise up and beat a team that we've traditionally played well against.
@ Jets : LOSE - One of the physical teams that I just don't see us beating, especially if they shut down our offense and our D can't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag.
Titans : LOSE - VY does it again...unfortunately. He's inspired to play in his hometown, and the Texans hardly ever seem to rise up in games that fans are really passionate about (see the Cowboys game). Plus, another physical team that has it's way with the finesse, but I think the score will be close.
@ Philly : LOSE - Vick runs and passes through our soft D like a hot knife through melted butter.
Baltimore : LOSE - The Ravens D dials in our number, stops the run game, and chases #8 all day long. They have no problem scoring on Mr. Whipple...errrr...our defense.
@ Tennessee : WIN - because desperation is kicking in and the Titans are arrogant enough at this point to play sloppy football that we capitalize on. Another close game with the Titans.
@ Denver : WIN - If the Raiders can score 59 on this D, our offense should have a field day. Expect a 52-51 score, though. hehe
Jax : WIN - Sweeping another division rival this season for a 5-1 division record and a game we have to win for a winning record.

I see 9-7, and not sure if this is good enough for a wildcard playoff spot in the AFC, but it's definitely good enough to keep the head coach, especially with the division record.

Much nail-biting by Texans fans and more "next year" talk by talking heads if we miss the playoffs by thiiiis much.

Only one I disagree with is San Diego...I think we have a good chance of beating them...

Double Barrel
10-27-2010, 03:48 PM
Only one I disagree with is San Diego...I think we have a good chance of beating them...

I hope you're right! I was on the fence with that one and took awhile to contemplate it. I ended up picking a loss because the Texans always seem to deflate a bit after a big win, and beating Indy on the road to make it a sweep is about as big as it gets for this franchise right now. And the Charges are not a bad team, regardless of their record, so it's not like we'd be losing to a dog team.

Of course, I'd love to be completely wrong!

Rey
10-27-2010, 03:51 PM
I hope you're right! I was on the fence with that one and took awhile to contemplate it. I ended up picking a loss because the Texans always seem to deflate a bit after a big win, and beating Indy on the road to make it a sweep is about as big as it gets for this franchise right now. And the Charges are not a bad team, regardless of their record, so it's not like we'd be losing to a dog team.

Of course, I'd love to be completely wrong!

Agreed.

I'm at the point where I don't 'expect' wins anymore, so that's not what I really meant...

I just meant that I'd lean more towards the W on that one...But I don't disagree with anything you've said...Texans have proven that they are more than capable of losing games that they need to/should win and having let downs after 'emotional' wins...

NitroGSXR
10-27-2010, 03:57 PM
I hope you're right! I was on the fence with that one and took awhile to contemplate it. I ended up picking a loss because the Texans always seem to deflate a bit after a big win, and beating Indy on the road to make it a sweep is about as big as it gets for this franchise right now. And the Charges are not a bad team, regardless of their record, so it's not like we'd be losing to a dog team.

Of course, I'd love to be completely wrong!

Anybody remember the Titans game in 2007 at Reliant?

dalemurphy
10-27-2010, 05:52 PM
I'm happy we're 4-2, but refuse to set myself up for more disappointment....again.

Setting oneself up for disappointment is the God-given right of every Texan fan!

regarding Jamison, I'm not a Michigan fan nor do I know anyone in his family. My "man-crush" is simply the result of what I've seen on film. Perhaps I'm wrong but the NFL makes mistakes on guys all the time: Arian Foster, James Harrison are two that come to mind right away.

regarding Deljuan... I thought he should have been more heavily involved in the DL rotation and the predominate situational run-stuffer instead of Okam. Now that they have cut Okam, I'm not seeing why I was in error. I think Deljuan is more disruptive than Cody and I thought he was a better run-stuffer than Okoye last year and reducing Okoye's snaps could have made him more productive.

The Pencil Neck
10-27-2010, 05:57 PM
Right now, I have us going 4-12.

Hopefully, I'll be proved very, very wrong.

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 08:18 PM
Everyone doesn't understand it because it isn't true. Either the Jets or Baltimore or both could win their division. Doesn't matter if they are 15-1 or 14-2 or 10-6 when they do it - a head's up tiebreaker is irrelevant as it doesn't apply between division winners and WC contenders. The questions then become who holds the tiebreakers if the Texans, Patriots and Pittsburgh (most likely) were to end up 10-6.

Which will possibly fall to common opponents. If they beat the abets or Ravens......

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 08:19 PM
Brian Cushing needs to be studying film on Brian Urlacher.

Agreed!

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 08:21 PM
Only one I disagree with is San Diego...I think we have a good chance of beating them...

If we continue to keep mistakes down & they keep making mistakes.... We can win.

NitroGSXR
10-27-2010, 08:26 PM
If we continue to keep mistakes down & they keep making mistakes.... We can win.

Special teams will be key here. They're in LAST place in coverage. We must take advantage and help both the offense and defense at this midway point of the season. Jacoby Jones must rise to the occasion...

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 08:28 PM
I think Deljuan is more disruptive than Cody and I thought he was a better run-stuffer than Okoye last year and reducing Okoye's snaps could have made him more productive.

DelJuan disappeared when they moved him to NT, just like every other 3 tech we've put there (including Okam). I don't know what the Texans want from a NT, but I don't think they've found him yet.

Starting DelJuan in front of Okoye, making Amobi earn his spot is what they should have done.

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 08:32 PM
Right now, I have us going 4-12.

Hopefully, I'll be proved very, very wrong.

I concur, I think the Colts are going to come out amped, and Kubiak isn't the guy we need to inspire our team on the road. This game will start another 4 game losing streak just like last year.

If the Eagles are at the peak of their QB controversy, we might win that game, other than that, I don't see a possible win on our schedule.

drs23
10-27-2010, 09:42 PM
I concur, I think the Colts are going to come out amped, and Kubiak isn't the guy we need to inspire our team on the road. This game will start another 4 game losing streak just like last year.

If the Eagles are at the peak of their QB controversy, we might win that game, other than that, I don't see a possible win on our schedule.

I'm not quite ready to put down my Kool-Aid colored glasses. We've played the Colts in their house well enough to beat them the last two times yet found a way to lose. And at least once in our house :spy:

I think we can play with any team on any field on any day. It depends on which one of our teams show up as to how it's gonna end. I'm liking the moves that the coaches are making as well. Will it gel on MNF? I dunno. It sure needs to. Matt and Co. need to light it up. Jacoby needs to make good returns for field position. Cush getting everyone on the same page on D. It all needs to come together this Monday night.

I know I said the K-L word earlier and in my heart I *know* we can go there and impose our will, though, as many have said before, we could gernade on MNF and conform to history.

Our season starts Monday night. :texflag:

HOU-TEX
10-28-2010, 09:16 AM
Setting oneself up for disappointment is the God-given right of every Texan fan!

regarding Jamison, I'm not a Michigan fan nor do I know anyone in his family. My "man-crush" is simply the result of what I've seen on film. Perhaps I'm wrong but the NFL makes mistakes on guys all the time: Arian Foster, James Harrison are two that come to mind right away.

regarding Deljuan... I thought he should have been more heavily involved in the DL rotation and the predominate situational run-stuffer instead of Okam. Now that they have cut Okam, I'm not seeing why I was in error. I think Deljuan is more disruptive than Cody and I thought he was a better run-stuffer than Okoye last year and reducing Okoye's snaps could have made him more productive.

Out of curiosity, were these guys picked up or even looked at by any of the other 31 NFL teams when they were released? Maybe they're all missing what you're seeing on film.

Right now, I have us going 4-12.

Hopefully, I'll be proved very, very wrong.

I have us at 3-13. We had to forfeit the win against the Skins because Dante Hall didn't get to cover AJ

Blake
10-28-2010, 09:30 AM
http://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/panic-button.jpg

Goatcheese
10-28-2010, 09:57 AM
http://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/panic-button.jpg

Que sera, sera.

No need to panic.

Double Barrel
10-28-2010, 12:49 PM
Anybody remember the Titans game in 2007 at Reliant?

Was that the 8 FG record at Reliant game?

My buds and I still chuckle at that one. I actually got my mom (an old Oiler fan) to Reliant, which was a small miracle by itself, for that game. The Texans were thiiiiis close to securing her as a fan. She was still a holdout. She actually wore an AJ jersey that I bought her!

Three quarters of boring football with one quarter that was almost brilliant. We chuckle because it's a game where we were celebrating, hugging!, and then ultimately lost. grrr....

DexmanC
10-28-2010, 02:33 PM
Special teams will be key here. They're in LAST place in coverage. We must take advantage and help both the offense and defense at this midway point of the season. Jacoby Jones must rise to the occasion...

I've seen Jacoby doing his job on punt returns, but his blockers need to
quit drawing flags.

Joe Texan
10-28-2010, 03:15 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

1-800-I-LOVE-THE-COWBOYS Here you go this is a number to help you with the depresion seeing you must be talking bout them

thunderkyss
10-28-2010, 08:29 PM
Out of curiosity, were these guys picked up or even looked at by any of the other 31 NFL teams when they were released? Maybe they're all missing what you're seeing on film.



I have us at 3-13. We had to forfeit the win against the Skins because Dante Hall didn't get to cover AJ

Is Dante Hall still in the league?

Was he ever a cornerback?

HOU-TEX
10-29-2010, 09:18 AM
Is Dante Hall still in the league?

Was he ever a cornerback?

Heh, DeAngelo Hall. With Cutler at QB, Dante probably could've gotten those 4 picks DeAngelo got too.

Norg
10-29-2010, 10:11 AM
Balty kinda scares me but since we are playing at home and on MNF i think we can win that game


and the jets just dont scare me i dont see it

thunderkyss
10-29-2010, 02:36 PM
Balty kinda scares me but since we are playing at home and on MNF i think we can win that game


and the jets just dont scare me i dont see it

That's two of us.

We need to start a "We Ain't Skerd" club.

Thorn
10-29-2010, 03:41 PM
That's two of us.

We need to start a "We Ain't Skerd" club.

I ain't skerd, and I also think the Jets are over rated. But I am a card carring member of the "I haven't the slightest idea of what the Texans are gonna do" club. LOL

alphajoker
12-22-2010, 10:32 AM
I had that same feeling too, when we were 4-2 that the season was going to bottom out on us but didn't post thinking it would jinx the Texans. Oh well, guess it didn't really matter.

Ranger Tom
12-22-2010, 12:42 PM
I had that same feeling too, when we were 4-2 that the season was going to bottom out on us but didn't post thinking it would jinx the Texans. Oh well, guess it didn't really matter.

I was of the opinion that any Texans fan who felt good after the Kansas City game was deluded. It was one of those situations where you hope that crow will be on the menu.

Blake
12-22-2010, 01:23 PM
I really don't want to be Debbie Downer or jinx the team in anyway but after watching as many AFC games as I could on Sunday Ticket yesterday, I just have the sinking feeling that the wheels are going to come off.

What pisses me off the most is that the ****ing Titans, the team I hate the most, looks like the team to beat in this division. I am about to throw up in my mouth. They beat the NY Giants a team that raped us at home and are undefeated against the NFC East. They have the type of defense that gives us fits.

Losing to the Titans at home on Monday night last year did a number on me. I am a Horn and having the whole VY thing come up again makes me sick to my stomach.

I'd feel more confident if our defense was merely below average rather than one of the worst defenses I have seen in 20+ years as an NFL fan.

One less fan to high-five when we smash indy again.

Peace out, Cubs fan.

hahahhaha! Sorry Shark but that is funny.

Rey
12-22-2010, 04:54 PM
DexmanC & THE NFL has been talking about this next stretch of games since before the season started. & it don't stop at 3.


I have to apologize to THE NFL...

He was very right about this team...

That hurts to say.

infantrycak
12-22-2010, 05:06 PM
I have to apologize to THE NFL...

He was very right about this team...

That hurts to say.

Well don't give him too much credit. He was very wrong about his own team. Blind rabble rousing hog...

thunderkyss
12-22-2010, 07:55 PM
I have to apologize to THE NFL...

He was very right about this team...

That hurts to say.

I don't think it's a team issue. The team is still very good, very young, & very talented.

I think he & Dex were right about the coaching staff. See the New England Patriots... see the Jacksonville Jaguars (7-9 last year).

Double Barrel
12-23-2010, 10:14 AM
I don't think it's a team issue. The team is still very good, very young, & very talented.

I think he & Dex were right about the coaching staff. See the New England Patriots... see the Jacksonville Jaguars (7-9 last year).

TK - reality check: 5-9 is not very good.

rmartin65
12-23-2010, 10:22 AM
TK - reality check: 5-9 is not very good.

You mean winning 36% of your games isnt very good? Huh. At least we are on the right path.

Rey
12-23-2010, 04:53 PM
I don't think it's a team issue. The team is still very good, very young, & very talented.

I think he & Dex were right about the coaching staff. See the New England Patriots... see the Jacksonville Jaguars (7-9 last year).

See, it's gotten to the point where I can't even tell who's at fault anymore...

Kubiak being the head man in charge of this whole mess will rightly take the brunt of the blame, but how much blame does Smith, the players, the position coaches, the coordinators, the S&C coaches, the owner, the owner's son have?

Then when you get into those individuals, what specific area have those individuals failed in?

How can we be better prepared to avoid these situations going forward?

We have lost what...7 in a row, minus a Rusty Smith? That is not the sign of a good team...That is the sign of a pretty bad one.

gary
12-23-2010, 05:20 PM
Vey good teams are on their way to the postseason this just in the sky is blue.

kiwitexansfan
12-23-2010, 05:38 PM
We have lost what...7 in a row, minus a Rusty Smith? That is not the sign of a good team...That is the sign of a pretty bad one.

There is a VERY fine line between a good team and a bad team in the NFL. Doesn't take much to be 5-11 or 11-5 just look at the games the Texans have won and lost that were last minute affairs.

As a famous coach once said....

I don't know what to say really.
Three minutes
to the biggest battle of our professional lives
all comes down to today.
Either
we heal
as a team
or we are going to crumble.
Inch by inch
play by play
till we're finished.
We are in hell right now, gentlemen
believe me
and
we can stay here
and get the **** kicked out of us
or
we can fight our way
back into the light.
We can climb out of hell.
One inch, at a time.

Now I can't do it for you.
I'm too old.
I look around and I see these young faces
and I think
I mean
I made every wrong choice a middle age man could make.
I uh....
I pissed away all my money
believe it or not.
I chased off
anyone who has ever loved me.
And lately,
I can't even stand the face I see in the mirror.

You know when you get old in life
things get taken from you.
That's, that's part of life.
But,
you only learn that when you start losing stuff.
You find out that life is just a game of inches.
So is football.
Because in either game
life or football
the margin for error is so small.
I mean
one half step too late or to early
you don't quite make it.
One half second too slow or too fast
and you don't quite catch it.
The inches we need are everywhere around us.
They are in ever break of the game
every minute, every second.

On this team, we fight for that inch
On this team, we tear ourselves, and everyone around us
to pieces for that inch.
We CLAW with our finger nails for that inch.
Cause we know
when we add up all those inches
that's going to make the ****ing difference
between WINNING and LOSING
between LIVING and DYING.

I'll tell you this
in any fight
it is the guy who is willing to die
who is going to win that inch.
And I know
if I am going to have any life anymore
it is because, I am still willing to fight, and die for that inch
because that is what LIVING is.
The six inches in front of your face.

Now I can't make you do it.
You gotta look at the guy next to you.
Look into his eyes.
Now I think you are going to see a guy who will go that inch with you.
You are going to see a guy
who will sacrifice himself for this team
because he knows when it comes down to it,
you are gonna do the same thing for him.

That's a team, gentlemen
and either we heal now, as a team,
or we will die as individuals.
That's football guys.
That's all it is.
Now, whattaya gonna do?

CloakNNNdagger
12-23-2010, 06:56 PM
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Txn_in_Oki
12-23-2010, 07:04 PM
Win one for the Zipper?

TEXANRED
12-23-2010, 08:37 PM
You mean winning 36% of your games isnt very good? Huh. At least we are on the right path.

If this were basketball he would be correct.

Runner
12-23-2010, 11:43 PM
TK - reality check: 5-9 is not very good.

We've had this conversation before. TK likes those "good" teams with bad records. Last year's "Kubes on the Hotseat????" thread makes for interesting reading now...


So at the end of the season, if we are 15-1, and we only played one team with a winning record...... you'd feel we made progress?



15-1 is very successful.

You've made two posts on this thread - a bad 15-1 team and a 4-12 Texans team that has improved from last year. Such strawmen are OK to make a point, but can you list a few examples of such teams so I know what you are talking about? I'm especially interested in the bad 15-1 teams.

thunderkyss
12-24-2010, 01:14 PM
See, it's gotten to the point where I can't even tell who's at fault anymore...

Kubiak being the head man in charge of this whole mess will rightly take the brunt of the blame, but how much blame does Smith, the players, the position coaches, the coordinators, the S&C coaches, the owner, the owner's son have?

.

Every game this year, we've seen this team play very good football in spurts. It's that football that has made the comebacks & pseudo comebacks possible.

It's the coaches inability to get them to play that way when they need to. I honestly think Kubiak started the team conservative every game, for fear of something bad happening.

Offensively, we can't move the ball. Defensively, we can't stop anyone. But when he let's them go, we're running up & down the field, and our defense is in their backfield, forcing 3 & outs.

Yes, there's that one bad play that "loses the game" but only after a dozen plays that get us in the game. If we play like that for two halves, we'd have two bad plays to overcome, instead of the half dozen bad plays we commit when we play conservative.

Lucky
12-24-2010, 01:40 PM
Every game this year, we've seen this team play very good football in spurts.
The Giants game. The Cowboys game. MNF at Indy. Last week in Tennessee. Where the hell did you see the Texans play "very good football" in these games?

When did the "bottom drop out" for the Texans in 2010? When Bob McNair decided to retain Kubiak & Smith.

Rey
12-24-2010, 01:46 PM
There is a VERY fine line between a good team and a bad team in the NFL. Doesn't take much to be 5-11 or 11-5 just look at the games the Texans have won and lost that were last minute affairs.


I completely disagree. The Texans are a bad team and there is no fine line. The margin is pretty wide. Finishing the season at 6-10 vs. 11-5 is a wide margin and there is not a whole lot of debate about who the better team is at the end of the year.

Yeah, I'm aware of any given Sunday, but if we take into account a teams overall body of work you can easily tell who's a good team and who's a bad team.

Yeah, we barely lost to some teams...Last second stuff...But overall, the Jets, Jags and Ravens are all better teams than us.

There is a very fine line between wins and losses on any given Sunday, There is a very fine line between a Pick and an INT, there is a very fine line between success and failure on any given play...But when you put the complete body of work together you can start seeing who consistently performs..

The Texans do not consistently perform like "winning teams"...So no, I disagree that there is a fine line between good and bad teams...

Rey
12-24-2010, 01:55 PM
Yes, there's that one bad play that "loses the game" but only after a dozen plays that get us in the game. If we play like that for two halves, we'd have two bad plays to overcome, instead of the half dozen bad plays we commit when we play conservative.

Texans have no balance...

They are either on fire, or they are ice cold.

That is the problem.

The only way you get an amazing comeback, or psuedo-amazing comeback is to be amazingly bad in the first place.

I don't mind if the Texans don't play "amazingly" like they have in making comebacks...

I just want them to play consistently well throughout the game. Make plays in crunch time...Don't screw yourself so bad right out of the gate.

Just keep "chopping wood" throughout the game...throughout the season...

The problem with that is that our role players (basically players that aren't stars) do not play consistently well. Instead they are the ones that are hot and cold with a lot of them just on permanent freeze.

thunderkyss
12-25-2010, 03:31 PM
The Giants game. The Cowboys game. MNF at Indy. Last week in Tennessee. Where the hell did you see the Texans play "very good football" in these games?

When did the "bottom drop out" for the Texans in 2010? When Bob McNair decided to retain Kubiak & Smith.

At the start of the third Qtr of the Giants game, the defense was excellent for three or four series. (that's what spurts mean, not the whole game, spurts). Dallas for the first half, the defense played well.

There were spurts in the Indy game, there were spurts in the Titans game. No Mario Williams, but 3 sacks.

thunderkyss
12-25-2010, 03:43 PM
Yeah, I'm aware of any given Sunday, but if we take into account a teams overall body of work you can easily tell who's a good team and who's a bad team.

Yeah, we barely lost to some teams...Last second stuff...But overall, the Jets, Jags and Ravens are all better teams than us.

So, last year, were we (the Texans) as good as the Ravens, Jets, & Steelers? We were all 9-7.

Were we better than the Jags who finished 7-9?



when you put the complete body of work together you can start seeing who consistently performs..

The Texans do not consistently perform like "winning teams"...So no, I disagree that there is a fine line between good and bad teams...

There are moments, when our team is awesome on 1st & 2nd down, defensively. We get in the backfield & we make things happen. We force their team backwards. Then on third down, 3rd & 19 for instance, we play prevent defense & give up 40+ yards.

Is that because our players consistently fail to play to their potential on 3rd & 19, or because their potential is not being properly utilized?

Rey
12-25-2010, 05:49 PM
So, last year, were we (the Texans) as good as the Ravens, Jets, & Steelers? We were all 9-7.

Were we better than the Jags who finished 7-9?


See, now that is a fine line that can be debated...

I think we could have beat any of those teams late in the year...I think a Texans vs. any of those teams in December would have been a decent match-up. We probably would have lost, but I think we'd have had a fighting chance...

There are moments, when our team is awesome on 1st & 2nd down, defensively. We get in the backfield & we make things happen. We force their team backwards. Then on third down, 3rd & 19 for instance, we play prevent defense & give up 40+ yards.

Is that because our players consistently fail to play to their potential on 3rd & 19, or because their potential is not being properly utilized?


That is because they are not that good. That is because we have fools gold as a football team.

Looks nice at times...But not worth a cold biscuit...

I think we have SOME good pieces on defense and that keeps us competitive at times...When individuals make good plays we look good...But as a unit, we are crappy.....

I don't think the scheme properly utilizes our talent, but I also don't think we are all that talented...

An increase in either category would help us improve...

NitroGSXR
12-25-2010, 06:31 PM
So, last year, were we (the Texans) as good as the Ravens, Jets, & Steelers? We were all 9-7.

Were we better than the Jags who finished 7-9?




There are moments, when our team is awesome on 1st & 2nd down, defensively. We get in the backfield & we make things happen. We force their team backwards. Then on third down, 3rd & 19 for instance, we play prevent defense & give up 40+ yards.

Is that because our players consistently fail to play to their potential on 3rd & 19, or because their potential is not being properly utilized?

It is not of much importance how well the defense performs on first or second down because they are poor at producing turnovers.

steelbtexan
12-26-2010, 02:18 PM
The Giants game. The Cowboys game. MNF at Indy. Last week in Tennessee. Where the hell did you see the Texans play "very good football" in these games?

When did the "bottom drop out" for the Texans in 2010? When Bob McNair decided to retain Kubiak & Smith.

Good ?

Agreed