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axman40
10-24-2010, 08:59 AM
With Baylor's victory yesterday , they are bowl eligible and the Horns are not!
:peek:

Hookem Horns
10-24-2010, 07:26 PM
I think it would be hilarious if Baylor won the Big XII South. Their defense is just so bad though. They could beat Texas. I think the game is going to come down to who is going to be worse, the Texas offense or the Baylor defense.

Showtime100
10-24-2010, 07:52 PM
I think it would be hilarious if Baylor won the Big XII South. Their defense is just so bad though. They could beat Texas. I think the game is going to come down to who is going to be worse, the Texas offense or the Baylor defense.

Question for you or any other poster up on the Horns. I saw a guy talking about the offensive scheme Gilbert ran at Lake Travis HS (<--?) and how it was the same as what the Longhorns ran with McCoy. They went on to say what they have for Gilbert is an effed up offense he's never run or seen in HS, therefore, let Gilbert run what McCoy ran.

Were these guys correct? Thoughts if you would? :)

thunderkyss
10-24-2010, 08:03 PM
Everybody hates the horns.

I don't care for them one way or the other.

But if soooo many people hate them, they must be doing something right.

Showtime100
10-24-2010, 08:05 PM
Probably not directed my way, but my post was a serious question for what it's worth. :butterfly:

Hookem Horns
10-24-2010, 08:18 PM
Question for you or any other poster up on the Horns. I saw a guy talking about the offensive scheme Gilbert ran at Lake Travis HS (<--?) and how it was the same as what the Longhorns ran with McCoy. They went on to say what they have for Gilbert is an effed up offense he's never run or seen in HS, therefore, let Gilbert run what McCoy ran.

Were these guys correct? Thoughts if you would? :)

Yeah, there might be some truth to that. I saw Gilbert play a HS in the playoffs. The offense was a spread offense however he was not impressive at all in that game. He threw a few picks and looked pretty much what he looks like right now. I remember thinking "this is that great QB that is the future of UT?". A good friend of mine's son has a good friend on the Lake Travis coaching staff and that is why we were there. They assured me that GG just had a bad game (though LT did win that game). I accepted that but man I don't know now.

As far as to why Mack and Davis changed the entire offensive scheme is because they wanted to go to a more pro style offense. They think it will better prepare their QBs for the NFL and it will help them compete better with teams like Alabama. At least that is how it was explained on 1300 by Bucky Godbolt. However instead of all that their QB doesn't look like he will be ready for the Lingerie Football League and they cannot compete with teams like Iowa State.

Mr. White
10-24-2010, 10:37 PM
Question for you or any other poster up on the Horns. I saw a guy talking about the offensive scheme Gilbert ran at Lake Travis HS (<--?) and how it was the same as what the Longhorns ran with McCoy. They went on to say what they have for Gilbert is an effed up offense he's never run or seen in HS, therefore, let Gilbert run what McCoy ran.

Were these guys correct? Thoughts if you would? :)

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Mack runs an air-tight ship. This is the kind of thing you'd read on a message board or hear on talk radio, but Mack keeps this kind of stuff in-house.....leaving the rest of us to speculate.

I'm not a real X's and O's guy, but I don't see a big change in the offense. The main one that I see is that McCoy and Shipley are gone and the coaches forgot that they weren't going to be here this season.

They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.

Hookem Horns
10-24-2010, 11:12 PM
Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Mack runs an air-tight ship. This is the kind of thing you'd read on a message board or hear on talk radio, but Mack keeps this kind of stuff in-house.....leaving the rest of us to speculate.

I'm not a real X's and O's guy, but I don't see a big change in the offense. The main one that I see is that McCoy and Shipley are gone and the coaches forgot that they weren't going to be here this season.

They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.

I am not a real X and O guy either however they have overhauled their scheme. They have gone to an under center more pro set from the spread offense. However your point about the offensive plan always being inept, that is true.

The last part I have to disagree with. Greg Davis has probably been keeping Will Muschamp up at night.

BullsOnParade
10-25-2010, 02:50 AM
I'm the biggest Baylor fan you'll ever meet. I'm so happy to go bowling. Ya, ya...it's just a bowl game; but it really is more than just a bowl game for the football program. Two years ago when we got a birth to the NCAA tourney, it was more than a birth. I think you can see how that worked out, Elite Eight last year.

With all that said, Austin will collapse if UT loses at home two games in a row to Iowa St. and Baylor. Horns will win. OU will take the South.

Now A&M, that's another story...

axman40
10-25-2010, 09:09 AM
I'm the biggest Baylor fan you'll ever meet. I'm so happy to go bowling. Ya, ya...it's just a bowl game; but it really is more than just a bowl game for the football program. Two years ago when we got a birth to the NCAA tourney, it was more than a birth. I think you can see how that worked out, Elite Eight last year.

With all that said, Austin will collapse if UT loses at home two games in a row to Iowa St. and Baylor. Horns will win. OU will take the South.

Now A&M, that's another story...
It would be 3 home games in a row.
UCLA, Iowa St and Baylor
:peek:

Showtime100
10-25-2010, 10:19 AM
Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but Mack runs an air-tight ship. This is the kind of thing you'd read on a message board or hear on talk radio, but Mack keeps this kind of stuff in-house.....leaving the rest of us to speculate.

I'm not a real X's and O's guy, but I don't see a big change in the offense. The main one that I see is that McCoy and Shipley are gone and the coaches forgot that they weren't going to be here this season.

They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.

I am not a real X and O guy either however they have overhauled their scheme. They have gone to an under center more pro set from the spread offense. However your point about the offensive plan always being inept, that is true.

The last part I have to disagree with. Greg Davis has probably been keeping Will Muschamp up at night.

Cool, thanks. I was curious because it seemed like a plausible story and I got interested. I'm not big on x's and o's either..lol.

After thinking about it I was watching a show on FSSW that FSHouston might of might not get called Big XII This Week of something like that. Hook 'em prabably knows the show being in Austin.

Goldensilence
10-25-2010, 11:04 AM
I'm the biggest Baylor fan you'll ever meet. I'm so happy to go bowling. Ya, ya...it's just a bowl game; but it really is more than just a bowl game for the football program. Two years ago when we got a birth to the NCAA tourney, it was more than a birth. I think you can see how that worked out, Elite Eight last year.

With all that said, Austin will collapse if UT loses at home two games in a row to Iowa St. and Baylor. Horns will win. OU will take the South.

Now A&M, that's another story...

Yeah it is a pretty big deal fora team that has really struggled in Big 12 play and due to location and academics its probably hard to recruit. Honestly congrats to long suffering Baylor fans.

Far as UT is concerned. Defensively the team is tough and wel lcoached by Muschamp. Offensively.....well nicely put they're struggling. Between Mack and Greg Davis I'm not sure they know what they want to do on the offensive side of the ball. They've got great athletes atthe skills positions, they just don't have what you would call a traditional RB. They need to accept it and find ways to get the ball to these guys in space and in full stride.

Far as turning things to a more pro style offense....sure when you get the personnel for it, right now they need to concentrate on the strengths of their current players and win games.

Dan B.
10-25-2010, 11:17 AM
I won't be upset at all if Baylor beats UT. The Horns are done for anyway, and if someone else is going to win the South I'd like it to be the Bears. Plus it would be a bigger middle finger to the money grubbers ruining conferences this offseason than UT beating Nebraska was.

Baylor/Missouri would be a great Big 12 Championship for me, even if no one else would watch. Somehow I doubt those are the two teams JJ had in mind for the Championship Game at his palace.

Dutchrudder
10-25-2010, 11:36 AM
I still don't see Baylor beating OU. I think OU will win the Big 12 south, but Baylor will probably end up in second place.

Hookem Horns
10-25-2010, 12:22 PM
I still don't see Baylor beating OU. I think OU will win the Big 12 south, but Baylor will probably end up in second place.

Agreed, Baylor's defense makes the Texans defense look like the 85 Chicago Bears defense. OU is going to kill them unfortunately.

Dan B.
10-25-2010, 12:32 PM
I wouldn't bet on Baylor, but let's remember that OU's D isn't all that hot either -- they're actually giving up more YPG than Baylor does (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stats/byteam?cat1=defense&cat2=Total&conference=I-A_all&year=2010&sort=1124). They also have been far less than impressive on the road (a 2 pt win over Cincy and a loss to Mizzou), and the Baylor game will be in Waco -- it's Baylor's last game of the season. The Bears should be just as worried IMO about a trip to Stillwater that's right around the corner, especially if they beat Texas and go into the game overconfident.

Stemp
10-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Baylor schedule is front loaded with the easier games, which also helped improve their stats. Now they have a gauntlet run of Texas, OSU, A&M and OU. Had they played any one of the next four earlier, it is highly likely they are still hoping to be bowl eligible.

It's entirely likely they go on a 4 game skid and finish the season 6-6. And if A&M goes 6-6 as well, they could also find themselves without a bowl as the lower bowls would probably want a 6-6 A&M over a 6-6 Baylor if for no other reason than A&M travels better and can sell more tickets.

Dan B.
10-25-2010, 01:07 PM
Baylor schedule is front loaded with the easier games, which also helped improve their stats. Now they have a gauntlet run of Texas, OSU, A&M and OU. Had they played any one of the next four earlier, it is highly likely they are still hoping to be bowl eligible.

It's entirely likely they go on a 4 game skid and finish the season 6-6. And if A&M goes 6-6 as well, they could also find themselves without a bowl as the lower bowls would probably want a 6-6 A&M over a 6-6 Baylor if for no other reason than A&M travels better and can sell more tickets.

OU plays 3 of the same 4 teams. Just swap Texas for Tech and they play the same schedule. Admittedly OU has a leg up by beating Texas while Baylor already lost to Tech. Baylor pretty much has to beat Texas to hold pace, especially if OU beats Tech (they will).

I'm not entirely sold on OU. I think they are talented and will be king of the mountain for the next few years, but they still seem to have trouble in hostile environments and they have several tough games coming up themselves. If A&M gets 'em at Kyle Field (I know, I know) then Baylor just has to take the Aggies out at home.

I find it interesting that OU lists the Big 12 Championship Game (http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/okla-m-footbl-sched.html) on their schedule. Baylor doesn't. (http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/bay-m-footbl-sched.html)

Texecutioner
10-25-2010, 11:50 PM
They haven't been able to run the ball since Cedric Benson left and weren't able to run it all that well when he was there. The guys that picked up all the ground yards have been the last 2 QB's.

You somehow forget about Jamal Charles and Ramonce Taylor? That was the year that the Longhorns won the NC and they had a great running game between Charles, Ramonce, and Selvin Young. Jamal Charles was still pretty good the two years following, but he was never used properly by the coaching staff and that's why he said he wanted to leave early. That's when the running game really dropped off.

The offensive plan has always been inept. Greg Davis has never kept any Defensive Coordinator from sleeping at night.

GD has complete job security as long as Mack Brown is there.

BullsOnParade
10-26-2010, 03:58 AM
Yeah it is a pretty big deal fora team that has really struggled in Big 12 play and due to location and academics its probably hard to recruit.

Bull****... academics and location, please.

Ask Scott Drew how tough it is to recruit there. 5 star ranked recruits Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, and Isiah Austin might have something to say about that. In the mean time, for any Longhorn haters, you can watch the Quincy Acy dunkshow guest starring the Texas MBB team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9ou2_7Tio

I find it interesting that OU lists the Big 12 Championship Game (http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/okla-m-footbl-sched.html) on their schedule. Baylor doesn't. (http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/bay-m-footbl-sched.html)

Let's be a little realistic here. OU expects to play in the Big XII Championship game every year, just like UT. Baylor, well, we dream of playing in it. I can see why they didn't list it. I imagine OU will win the south and Baylor will place 3rd-5th. Remember, the Bears haven't yet beaten a team from the South this year... it's still very early.

Mr. White
10-26-2010, 01:47 PM
You somehow forget about Jamal Charles and Ramonce Taylor? That was the year that the Longhorns won the NC and they had a great running game between Charles, Ramonce, and Selvin Young. Jamal Charles was still pretty good the two years following, but he was never used properly by the coaching staff and that's why he said he wanted to leave early. That's when the running game really dropped off.

I just checked. I wasn't totally right.

Going off rushing attempts...

Since Cedric Benson left, the only year that the QB didn't get the most rushing attempts was 2006 when Colt was a freshman. Jamaal Charles and Selvin Young got more rushing attempts that year.

Goldensilence
10-26-2010, 02:08 PM
Bull****... academics and location, please.

Ask Scott Drew how tough it is to recruit there. 5 star ranked recruits Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, and Isiah Austin might have something to say about that. In the mean time, for any Longhorn haters, you can watch the Quincy Acy dunkshow guest starring the Texas MBB team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9ou2_7Tio



Let's be a little realistic here. OU expects to play in the Big XII Championship game every year, just like UT. Baylor, well, we dream of playing in it. I can see why they didn't list it. I imagine OU will win the south and Baylor will place 3rd-5th. Remember, the Bears haven't yet beaten a team from the South this year... it's still very early.

Yeah he's done a great job with the basketball program. I won't deny that. However I'm talking about football not basketball.

I'm also talking about the past 10 years. Have they improved the past couple of years in football? Sure, but not enough to overtake UT,OU,NU, OKST, Tech, or spurts from Mizzou, Kansas, K-State and A&M....yet at least.

Stemp
10-26-2010, 02:16 PM
Bull****... academics and location, please.

Ask Scott Drew how tough it is to recruit there. 5 star ranked recruits Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, and Isiah Austin might have something to say about that. In the mean time, for any Longhorn haters, you can watch the Quincy Acy dunkshow guest starring the Texas MBB team.


Yes, lets ask $$Scott Drew$$ and his AAU buddies how hard it is to $recruit$ to Waco. Better yet, talk to the Cliftons (http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=582), who are right in the thick of it.

BullsOnParade
10-27-2010, 04:01 AM
Yes, lets ask $$Scott Drew$$ and his AAU buddies how hard it is to $recruit$ to Waco. Better yet, talk to the Cliftons (http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=582), who are right in the thick of it.

I'm quite familiar with Dwon's situation while he was at Baylor. I found this comment following the article that pretty much sums the whole thing up. I hate how people find one questionable technique and run with it before they really get all the facts.

"No wonder you write for this no name website. You write garbage articles filled with speculation and lies. Clifton played for former BU ast coach Matt Driscoll (now head coach at North FL)at Clemson. Driscoll hired him to the staff and Clifton was on staff for 2 years. Yes Baylor didn't land Wall but they did get a foot into the NC recruiting. You hire coaches to help you recruit and coach. BU is coming off an Elite 8 year and looks to have lottery picks for the next 3 season (4 including Udoh last year). Success brings hate from people who have never experienced it or people who don't want to be knocked off the top."

P.S. I found this interesting, as of 10/28/2010, Baylor is one of six schools and the only private school to be currently ranked in both football and basketball... Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, Missouri and Baylor.

So maybe Baylor athletics doesn't suck...

Stemp
10-29-2010, 10:41 AM
I'm quite familiar with Dwon's situation while he was at Baylor. I found this comment following the article that pretty much sums the whole thing up. I hate how people find one questionable technique and run with it before they really get all the facts.

"No wonder you write for this no name website. You write garbage articles filled with speculation and lies. Clifton played for former BU ast coach Matt Driscoll (now head coach at North FL)at Clemson. Driscoll hired him to the staff and Clifton was on staff for 2 years. Yes Baylor didn't land Wall but they did get a foot into the NC recruiting. You hire coaches to help you recruit and coach. BU is coming off an Elite 8 year and looks to have lottery picks for the next 3 season (4 including Udoh last year). Success brings hate from people who have never experienced it or people who don't want to be knocked off the top."

P.S. I found this interesting, as of 10/28/2010, Baylor is one of six schools and the only private school to be currently ranked in both football and basketball... Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, Missouri and Baylor.

So maybe Baylor athletics doesn't suck...

Scott Drew is as dirty as a whorehouse mop. Baylor football is getting better and I like what Briles is doing, though I think you are in for a 4 game losing streak.

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 06:36 PM
So far it's been Baylor marching. Then the Bears get fumblitis and turn it over. Shaping up to be a sixty-minute football game.

3-3 midway throught the 1st quarter.

(BTW, atdhe's link to the Houston game isn't working, any other links? Feel free to pm if you wonder about the link getting shut off, thanks in advance)

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 07:00 PM
OK, I've had it with Texas and whatever deal they have with officials. It took the refs 5 minutes to figure out how they were going to screw the Bears and try to make it sound believable.

Bears screwed = Successful

Believable = FAIL

JB
10-30-2010, 07:05 PM
OK, I've had it with Texas and whatever deal they have with officials. It took the refs 5 minutes to figure out how they were going to screw the Bears and try to make it sound believable.

Bears screwed = Successful

Believable = FAIL

I know that call was hard to understand, but it was the right call. Texas never had possession in the field of play, and was downed in the endzone.

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 07:11 PM
I know that call was hard to understand, but it was the right call. Texas never had possession in the field of play, and was downed in the endzone.

I'll have what you're having then. :mariopalm:

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 07:13 PM
Here we go again. Texas player says 'no catch' so the official says 'ok, sir.'

Under review on a clear catch. I didn't care who won before but I'm all about the Bears now.

texansdrummer
10-30-2010, 07:37 PM
Wild call....he HAD to have possession in the end zone. The ball never made it out of the end zone despite his obvious attempt to advance. Should have been a safety, IMO.

Tough break for Baylor.

JB
10-30-2010, 07:43 PM
Wild call....he HAD to have possession in the end zone. The ball never made it out of the end zone despite his obvious attempt to advance. Should have been a safety, IMO.

Tough break for Baylor.

Why would it be a safety if he never had possession in the field of play?

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 07:53 PM
Why would it be a safety if he never had possession in the field of play?

Never had possession in the endzone either. Should have been a TD for Baylor. In fact the official standing right there signaled touchdown until he realized the blasphemy he was committing.

JB
10-30-2010, 08:07 PM
Never had possession in the endzone either. Should have been a TD for Baylor. In fact the official standing right there signaled touchdown until he realized the blasphemy he was committing.

You must be watching thru beer goggles

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 08:11 PM
You must be watching thru beer goggles

Whatever. But I a beginning to wonder if you saw the play. :D

JB
10-30-2010, 08:17 PM
Whatever. But I a beginning to wonder if you saw the play. :D

Yes I did. Multiple times. I thought he gained possession of the ball in the endzone.

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 08:21 PM
Yes I did. Multiple times. I thought he gained possession of the ball in the endzone.

The good news is Baylor can't say that cost them the game if they lose. It happened early and really Baylor wasn't hurt so much as they were denied a gift from the Horns.

It was early in the game so bottom line Baylor can't say this was a big factor. Shame on the Bears for not overcoming.

In the future I would like to see an ATM near the visitors bench as well...lol.

texansdrummer
10-30-2010, 08:46 PM
It looked obvious that he gained possession in the end zone -right before he attempted to run out of the EZ WITH the ball - and then the resulting tackle made him hit the ground which caused him to fumble (So....no technically not a fumble). If he NEVER had possession, then it should have been a Baylor TD.

(DISCLAIMER - I am not a fan of either team and have no vested interest other than to watch a good game.)

Rey
10-30-2010, 08:57 PM
Texas is looking pretty poor.

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 09:06 PM
This might be off-topic.....but the Bears are putting it to the Horns. :D

texansdrummer
10-30-2010, 09:16 PM
This might be off-topic.....but the Bears are putting it to the Horns. :D

Baylor kinda made it "off-topic" for a little while......definitely back on now, however.

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 09:34 PM
Baylor just got the game-breaking turnover but you know, after seeing Aaron Williams go down all I can think is Thank God Aaron Williams is ok.

Play under review but Thank God Aaron Williams is ok.

JB
10-30-2010, 09:35 PM
Baylor just got the game-breaking turnover but you know, after seeing Aaron Williams go down all I can think is Thank God Aaron Williams is ok.

Play under review but Thank God Aaron Williams is ok.

Thank God Aaron Williams is ok.

Showtime100
10-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Thank God Aaron Williams is ok.

Call goes against Baylor but ......see above..lol.

OrangeLotPole8
10-30-2010, 10:59 PM
How does 3 star athletes beat 5 STAR athletes? Maybe Greg Davis????? :thinking:

Mr. White
10-30-2010, 11:08 PM
Here's football season in a nutshell for me......

My 2nd favorite team is UH.

My favorite is the Horns.

One of my fantasy teams is 1-6. The other one is a bunch of bums that somehow got me to 4-2.

The Texans are bi-polar. They'll beat someone's ass and then get jail-raped the next week.

I'm so glad racketball errrr... basketball season started and at least the Rockets are off to such to a great start.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1247/5122805387_ba1033e76e.jpg

SheTexan
10-30-2010, 11:28 PM
Bears pulled it off!!! WoooooHooooo!!!! :)

Rey
10-30-2010, 11:30 PM
How does 3 star athletes beat 5 STAR athletes? Maybe Greg Davis????? :thinking:

I would not be surprised if schools like Baylor starting competing with/beating schools like Texas on a regular basis.

I just think that the coaching is getting better throughout the college ranks and also there is not a huge gap (if any at all) in the athletes.

MojoMan
10-30-2010, 11:34 PM
The Longhorns are having a bad year, to say the least. Their QB is inconsistent, as rookies frequently are. However, given the talent level on this team, they are definitely under-performing. The penalties and the turnovers are excessive. The defense has not performed up to expectations. The running game has been a lot less than what it should be. The passing game is spotty, as you would expect with a young QB. But that does not explain the rest of it. The coaching staff and Mack Brown have to be considered largely responsible for the overall showing of this team so far.

ArlingtonTexan
10-31-2010, 12:07 AM
How does 3 star athletes beat 5 STAR athletes? Maybe Greg Davis????? :thinking:

Do you really think that Robert Griffin is a three star athlete?

Showtime100
10-31-2010, 12:50 AM
The Longhorns are having a bad year, to say the least. Their QB is inconsistent, as rookies frequently are. However, given the talent level on this team, they are definitely under-performing. The penalties and the turnovers are excessive. The defense has not performed up to expectations. The running game has been a lot less than what it should be. The passing game is spotty, as you would expect with a young QB. But that does not explain the rest of it. The coaching staff and Mack Brown have to be considered largely responsible for the overall showing of this team so far.

Crazy idea. Howz about giving the opposition an ounce of credit. The loss last week was a loss. Instead of giving the other team their due you (UT) said it was an embarrassing loss. We were this and that. No credit to the better team.

GEEEEEZUS

Mr. White
10-31-2010, 12:56 AM
The Longhorns are having a bad year, to say the least. Their QB is inconsistent, as rookies frequently are. However, given the talent level on this team, they are definitely under-performing. The penalties and the turnovers are excessive. The defense has not performed up to expectations. The running game has been a lot less than what it should be. The passing game is spotty, as you would expect with a young QB. But that does not explain the rest of it. The coaching staff and Mack Brown have to be considered largely responsible for the overall showing of this team so far.

I totally agree. It isn't like it's a question of "is it the players or the coaches?"

Mack Brown gets the best recruiting classes year in and year out. Maybe sometimes they have to settle for the 2nd ranked recruit at any given position.

This year, the players just aren't good enough to cover up the sucky coaching.

Showtime100
10-31-2010, 12:59 AM
I totally agree. It isn't like it's a question of "is it the players or the coaches?"

Mack Brown gets the best recruiting classes year in and year out. Maybe sometimes they have to settle for the 2nd ranked recruit at any given position.

This year, the players just aren't good enough to cover up the sucky coaching.

AAAAAAND Baylor won because they were the better team. :D

Sorry, has to be said.

JCTexan
10-31-2010, 01:01 AM
Crazy idea. Howz about giving the opposition an ounce of credit. The loss last week was a loss. Instead of giving the other team their due you (UT) said it was an embarrassing loss. We were this and that. No credit to the better team.

GEEEEEZUS

I would assume the no credit thing is because they have lost four of their last five games. Being a top program you kind of expect to beat Iowa State, Baylor & UCLA. Should they give all these teams credit or should they take some responsibility and admit that they're playing poorly right now?

Mr. White
10-31-2010, 01:03 AM
Crazy idea. Howz about giving the opposition an ounce of credit. The loss last week was a loss. Instead of giving the other team their due you (UT) said it was an embarrassing loss. We were this and that. No credit to the better team.

GEEEEEZUS

The team that wins is always the better team.

Baylor's a better team. So was UCLA, OU, and Iowa State. There'll probably be one or two better teams still to come...

Still doesn't mean the Longhorns aren't in a tailspin.

Showtime100
10-31-2010, 01:05 AM
I would assume the no credit thing is because they have lost four of their last five games. Being a top program you kind of expect to beat Iowa State, Baylor & UCLA. Should they give all these teams credit or should they take some responsibility and admit that they're playing poorly right now?

That's funny. How about admitting it when it's a fact. I'm not sure where you are headed here.

Showtime100
10-31-2010, 01:07 AM
The team that wins is always the better team.

Baylor's a better team. So was UCLA, OU, and Iowa State. There'll probably be one or two better teams still to come...

Still doesn't mean the Longhorns aren't in a tailspin.

Tell Mack Brown. That's all I'm saying.

MojoMan
10-31-2010, 01:15 AM
That's funny. How about admitting it when it's a fact. I'm not sure where you are headed here.

Then again, some people are just overcome by hate to the point of being irrational.

The Longhorns have lost to teams who were better than they were on the days that the games were played. However, the high level of talent that the Longhorns have on their team is irrefutable, at least as far as I and many other people are concerned. All of the teams that have beat the Longhorns are good teams and they should be commended for that. They won and the Longhorns lost. A sincere and humble hat tip to each of these teams who beat the Longhorns for their impressive victories.

But your acrimony towards the Texas Longhorns is well known and well documented on this board. Please spit your bile elsewhere.

JCTexan
10-31-2010, 01:20 AM
That's funny. How about admitting it when it's a fact. I'm not sure where you are headed here.

I have no problem admitting Baylor was the better team tonight, but is Iowa State or UCLA? UCLA has beaten Texas, Houston & Washington State. That's it. I have no problem admitting a team is flat out better, but Texas is playing awful right now. Losing four of their last five games should tell you how awful Texas is playing. I expect the Longhorns to be better next year with a year under Gilbert and beat these type of teams.

To be honest, I'm disappointed with the way Texas has been playing, and I wasn't expecting much from them in the first place this year.

Showtime100
10-31-2010, 01:23 AM
Then again, some people are just overcome by hate to the point of being irrational.

The Longhorns have lost to teams who were better than they were on the days that the games were played. However, the high level of talent that the Longhorns have on their team is irrefutable, at least as far as I and many other people are concerned. All of the teams that have beat the Longhorns are good teams and they should be commended for that. They won and the Longhorns lost. A sincere and humble hat tip to each of these teams for their impressive victories.

But your acrimony towards the Texas Longhorns is well known and well documented on this board. Please spit your bile elsewhere.

F'off. I was right there with you until you said that. Did you notice when the Bears won I said nothing? Have you noticed when I could have said things in other threads I said zero? Of course not. I simply talked about the game and your little Horn heart is sad. Save it Mojo. Yet another thing about the Horns all of us hate. Their inability to take it.

Reading comprehesion would tell you I want Mack & Co to say that they were the lesser of the two on a given day.

MojoMan
10-31-2010, 01:29 AM
F'off. I was right there with you until you said that. Did you notice when the Bears won I said nothing? Have you noticed when I could have said things in other threads I said zero? Of course not. I simply talked about the game and your little Horn heart is sad. Save it Mojo. Yet another thing about the Horns all of us hate. Their inability to take it.

Reading comprehesion would tell you I want Mack & Co to say that they were the lesser of the two on a given day.

Your obviously hate the Texas Longhorns and that is clear for all to see. Keep it up and you will just prove it even more.

Showtime100
10-31-2010, 01:37 AM
Your hate the Longhorns and that is clear for all to see. Keep it up and you will just prove it even more.

Go back and read this thread. You will see I had no real care who won until a predictable call went the Longhorns way. You will also see I prematurely said "Shame on Baylor for not overcoming" the call(s). Like Texas would ever say that. Go back and read, I displayed no hostile intent outside of rooting against the anointed Horns.

I know I'm on record as not liking the Horns, big deal, but give me a freaking break.

OrangeLotPole8
10-31-2010, 02:00 AM
Do you really think that Robert Griffin is a three star athlete?

So one 5 star athlete on a team beats an ENTIRE TEAM OF FIVE STAR ATHLETES?:thinking:

Mr. White
10-31-2010, 02:01 AM
Tell Mack Brown. That's all I'm saying.

Has Mack said otherwise?

Dan B.
10-31-2010, 03:08 AM
I thought Baylor looked top notch today. Congrats Bears. Now whoop every other team's ass in the Big XII too. I hope the Bears run away with the conference this year. It would be wonderfully fitting.

BullsOnParade
10-31-2010, 03:34 AM
YES!!! Sic em' Bears!!! Take that Longhorns, especially Stemp! Maybe now you'll admit that Baylor isn't a fluke. Think maybe we should stay in the Big XII??? Beat you in WBB, beat you in MBB, now we've beat you in FOOTBALL!


Now that I got that off my chest...what's the latest on Aaron Williams? That was a scary play. I'm glad to see he got up. I hope he's alright.

Speedy
10-31-2010, 05:05 AM
Love it!!! Way to go Baylor!!!

How many wins do you need to be bowl eligible? Does a win over Florida Atlantic count towards that? 'Cause that might be the only one they get the rest of the year.:doot:

steelbtexan
10-31-2010, 09:29 AM
As a Longhorn fan I want to say congrats to Baylor.

Man, Griffin is a great player. He's VY with a brain. Wonder what his pro prospects will be?

This offseason Mack needs to make some asst. coaches heads roll. Starting with Davis and the OL coach (McWhorter SP?)

IDEXAN
10-31-2010, 09:48 AM
Congrats to Baylor and all present and past members of Baylors student body.

Mr. White
10-31-2010, 10:10 AM
This offseason Mack needs to make some asst. coaches heads roll. Starting with Davis and the OL coach (McWhorter SP?)

This.

edit....
Word around the campfire is that Greg Davis ain't going nowhere as long as Mack has a job....BUT...

I expect that the McCombs, the Jamails, the Moffetts, and the Hicks' of the world aren't going to put up this **** for very long. Changes are inevitable at this point.

SheTexan
10-31-2010, 11:08 AM
The team that wins is always the better team.

Not true. Nebraska is a better team than the Horns, and they lost. UT just happen to make more points that given Sat. Winning does NOT make you the better team. JMO. Better teams lose all the time to subpar teams. Depends on circumstances for that particular day.

Mr. White
10-31-2010, 12:57 PM
Not true. Nebraska is a better team than the Horns, and they lost. UT just happen to make more points that given Sat. Winning does NOT make you the better team. JMO. Better teams lose all the time to subpar teams. Depends on circumstances for that particular day.

That's cool. We'll just agree to disagree.

Nebraska might have been better before that game and they might be better since that game. They had a chance to prove that they were a better team than the Longhorns and blew it.

Are they better than the Longhorns now? We'll never know.

Reminds me of when they asked Matt Leinart if the better team won when he came off the field after losing the 2005 Rose Bowl to the Horns. He said "I still think we're a better team. They just made the plays in the end."

The logic never worked for me and still doesn't.

Mr. White
10-31-2010, 01:00 PM
By the way, am I the only one that thinks Blake Gideon may end up actually killing someone this season?

Somebody needs to teach that kid how to wrap up when he tackles.

TexanSam
10-31-2010, 01:40 PM
Happy for Art Briles. Looks like he's turning that program around.

Texecutioner
10-31-2010, 03:04 PM
As a Longhorn fan I want to say congrats to Baylor.

Man, Griffin is a great player. He's VY with a brain. Wonder what his pro prospects will be?

This offseason Mack needs to make some asst. coaches heads roll. Starting with Davis and the OL coach (McWhorter SP?)

I agree. Congrats to Baylor. Great win for them.


And for the Mack Brown (Cookies) apologists, this season has once again confirmed everything I've ever said about the guy. He's a complete joke of a HC. All he's ever been is a great recruiter. He couldn't coach through a paper bag, much less a team full of 4 and 5 star recruits. He's a grandpa coaching a ****ing football team and has never had a clue on how to light a fire under his team. The Longhorns team is a complete embarrassment this season, and Will Muschamp and their DB's coach are the only coaches that know how to coach on this staff.

Texecutioner
10-31-2010, 03:06 PM
By the way, am I the only one that thinks Blake Gideon may end up actually killing someone this season?

Somebody needs to teach that kid how to wrap up when he tackles.

I've said since Gideon's Freshman season that he's terrible athletically and physically. He's a smart player mentally on the field, but he just doesn't have it. He's sort of like a Matt Stevens actually. He's a great kid that a coach will love for his work ethic and his intelligence, but he just doesn't have it physically. He should have never been a starter.

Texecutioner
10-31-2010, 03:18 PM
How does 3 star athletes beat 5 STAR athletes? Maybe Greg Davis????? :thinking:


:kubepalm::mariopalm:


Can't believe you're actually still posting in this thread after hiding when Texas beat Nebraska.

Hookem Horns
11-01-2010, 09:04 AM
Better teams lose all the time to subpar teams. Depends on circumstances for that particular day.

Exhibit A (Dallas Cowboys vs Houston Texans 9/26)