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CloakNNNdagger
10-23-2010, 07:31 AM
I came across this very detailed picture of a very troubled franchise. There are quite a few interesting facts that have not really been well characterized elsewhere.

Just a handful of examples.


—The Colts fumbled four times and lost three in the win over Washington Sunday night. Indianapolis hasn't lost four in a game since 1996.

This next set of facts speaks well for status of our TEXANS:

—Only three NFL teams have better records than the 4-2 Colts. But all of them are in the AFC: the New York Jets (5-1), Pittsburgh and New England (both 4-1).

— After playing 16 games with 11 fumbles and tying a team record by losing only five in 2009, the Colts have fumbled 11 times and lost six through six games this season.

Rookie Brody Eldridge is Clark's primary backup, and has just three career receptions for 23 yards. A fifth-round pick out of Oklahoma, Eldridge was drafted as a blocking specialist who wasn't used much as a receiver in the Sooners' offense, catching just 13 passes during his career. He started at center against BYU last year before moving back to tight end for four games and then was at left guard for four games before his season ended due to an AC sprain. He was the No. 17-rated tight end prospect last year, according to NFLDraftScout.com ratings.

WELL WORTH READING THE ENTIRE USA TODAY PIECE (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/colts/notes.htm)

IDEXAN
10-23-2010, 07:49 AM
It's interesting that the Colts place so much emphasis on the TE position in their offense and yet have so little depth at that position ? For example it sounds like our 4th-string TE, rookie Garrett Grahmn who's an outstanding pass-catching TE, would be a vastly superior player in the Colts offense than what they have available in reserve ?
Regarding the fumbles in Washington - after a bye week and a home game coming up, doubt if they have a single fumble in our MNF game vs them.

El Tejano
10-23-2010, 09:24 AM
It's interesting that the Colts place so much emphasis on the TE position in their offense and yet have so little depth at that position ? For example it sounds like our 4th-string TE, rookie Garrett Grahmn who's an outstanding pass-catching TE, would be a vastly superior player in the Colts offense than what they have available in reserve ?
Regarding the fumbles in Washington - after a bye week and a home game coming up, doubt if they have a single fumble in our MNF game vs them.

Also because they are playing us. Anyone else ever notice how when teams play us their fumbles seem to automatically go back to them.

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 10:41 AM
I found this (http://community.mycolts.net/sreply/27255/t/Who-is-going-to-win-against-Houston-Monday-Night-.html)lurking on a Colts forum:
Well, it's not just "Who is going to win against Houston, Monday Night?" but WHY. Houston will win the game, you can bookmark this post for later reference. I'm not a dummy when it comes to football. But the WHY is as follows: We have been stripped of our franchise Tight-End by LeRon Landry, one of our best remaining receivers drops every 3rd pass thrown to him, our best running back is struggling with a very serious injury, our best two safeties are out, our receiving corp is depleted and now, very predictable, Houston won't have to give as much attention to the middle now, Schaub is a top 5 QB right now, Andre is Andre, Mario is Mario, we may have to exclusively use a running back that runs on a previously surgically repaired bad wheel and was a low draft pick from Michigan and is undersized, we turn below average and unknown running backs into ALL-WORLD Pro-Bowlers for a day, we have been getting stung at times in passing yards on defense, Peyton has soft pass protection, when Freeney and Mathis have been keyed upon--they have been shut-down, and the list goes on and on. Would someone tell me some other weaknesses that I have missed?
The glass is half-empty I realize ... but that's the angle in which I look at these things. When I do predict a win or a loss, I'm hardly ever wrong.

I'd like to beat the best when they are the best...... however with what I've seen so far this year, I'll take a W any way we can get one. I'm actually worried, that this will turn out to be a game we should win..... & we don't.

El Tejano
10-26-2010, 10:48 AM
I found this (http://community.mycolts.net/sreply/27255/t/Who-is-going-to-win-against-Houston-Monday-Night-.html)lurking on a Colts forum:


I'd like to beat the best when they are the best...... however with what I've seen so far this year, I'll take a W any way we can get one. I'm actually worried, that this will turn out to be a game we should win..... & we don't.

Man, we need this game real bad. I don't know why but I have this calming confidence. I know we could lose but I just don't think we are going to.

Andre_Johnson
10-26-2010, 11:02 AM
Man, we need this game real bad. I don't know why but I have this calming confidence. I know we could lose but I just don't think we are going to.

Calm before the storm, I know how you feel... But if you think about it, we didn't have Cush in the first game and our defense looked okay in the first three quarters up until Peyton started throwing to Dallas Clark on every other play for 15 yards at a time. The Colts don't have that unstoppable TE for the rest of the season and I like Cushing in coverage over their next TE. Mario will get to Peyton in this game just like he did all day in week 1.

Oh, and don't let me forget Arian Foster. Nuff Sed.

beerlover
10-26-2010, 11:15 AM
having perspective is often neglected. good job keeping fans grounded Cloak-

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 11:41 AM
Calm before the storm, I know how you feel... But if you think about it, we didn't have Cush in the first game and our defense looked okay in the first three quarters up until Peyton started throwing to Dallas Clark on every other play for 15 yards at a time. The Colts don't have that unstoppable TE for the rest of the season....

This kid they'll start might be the next freak'n Eddelman/Welker/Clark.... & if he's not, chances are pretty good we'll make him look like it.

OzzO
10-26-2010, 12:19 PM
...Oh, and don't let me forget Arian Foster. Nuff Sed.

.... and Ward

GP
10-26-2010, 12:59 PM
Calm before the storm, I know how you feel... But if you think about it, we didn't have Cush in the first game and our defense looked okay in the first three quarters up until Peyton started throwing to Dallas Clark on every other play for 15 yards at a time. The Colts don't have that unstoppable TE for the rest of the season and I like Cushing in coverage over their next TE. Mario will get to Peyton in this game just like he did all day in week 1.

Oh, and don't let me forget Arian Foster. Nuff Sed.

My only concern with what you said is that it assumes our Lbers are going to cover RBs and TEs at all. It's been scary how much our LBers are just sitting in a zone and allowing those RBs and TEs to run to vacant spots in order to become wide open and catch the ball.

I mean, it's been a steady dose of that all season long. As if it's by design, by our defense. Which I do not comprehend as to how it is a wise strategy.

I want to see our LBers either committing to blitzing at the snap or finding a guy and sticking to him the whole way through the play. Instead, we're seeing what looks like inaction and a lack of knowing where to be as the play develops.

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 01:04 PM
My only concern with what you said is that it assumes our Lbers are going to cover RBs and TEs at all. It's been scary how much our LBers are just sitting in a zone and allowing those RBs and TEs to run to vacant spots in order to become wide open and catch the ball.

I mean, it's been a steady dose of that all season long. As if it's by design, by our defense. Which I do not comprehend as to how it is a wise strategy.

I want to see our LBers either committing to blitzing at the snap or finding a guy and sticking to him the whole way through the play. Instead, we're seeing what looks like inaction and a lack of knowing where to be as the play develops.

Even when they are sitting in zone, you'll see the receiver (FB/TE/RB) stop, turn, present himself to the QB. You can see the QB going through his reads. Finding the under receiver, make the decision to throw to the receiver, load up, & deliver the ball.

& our LB is sitting there, with no idea where that ball is going until the receiver tucks it under his arm & heads up field.

Then it's time to tackle him.

I know the LB has to be looking at either the receiver or the QB, shouldn't matter which. I'd be happy if they ever figure out that they should attack the receiver at some point before the ball gets tucked under his arm.

& Yes, I'd be thrilled if we ever get a LB with a PI...... then we'll know at least we're moving in the right direction. The receiver is going to catch the ball anyway the way they're doing it now.

Indy Skinnz
10-26-2010, 01:19 PM
Of those 4 fumbles 2 of them came from a punt returner that was cut on the flight home from DC. The other came when Addai basically got knocked out and Arakpo got Manning on a strip sack for the other.

Should be an interesting game on Monday. If I were a betting man, I would take the over.

Dutchrudder
10-26-2010, 01:45 PM
Of those 4 fumbles 2 of them came from a punt returner that was cut on the flight home from DC. The other came when Addai basically got knocked out and Arakpo got Manning on a strip sack for the other.

Should be an interesting game on Monday. If I were a betting man, I would take the over.

The Colts might hit the over all by themselves against our defense...

:kitten:

beerlover
10-26-2010, 02:19 PM
Colts President Bill Polian final thoughts on weekly question & answer -

They're coming off the bye week. Very difficult. Great team, as we saw. They're a great offensive team. They're having some struggles defensively, but I think they're front four is as good as there is in this division. We know they cut us up pretty good from the offensive standpoint. We know what (quarterback) Matt Schaub can do. We know what the great receiver can do. We know they're kicking game always gives us trouble, and they have good personnel there. That's an advantage for them right off the bat, because we don't match that kind of explosiveness in the return game. We're going to have to play in a depleted fashion. Whoever's out there, we're going to have to play our best game to beat these guys. They should be good. They've been drafting high for a long, long time and it's bearing fruit now. Most people down there consider them the favorite for the division championship. I wouldn't argue with that. But if we want to be a factor, we're going to have to play our best game this coming Monday Night.

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 02:24 PM
Colts President Bill Polian final thoughts on weekly question & answer -

I think he's trying to lull us to sleep. I'm sure it isn't a secret the Texans love to hear good things about them in the press, then throws up a stinker on gameday.

It's the rope-a-dope.

DexmanC
10-26-2010, 02:27 PM
Complete assessment of all data we have on the Texans, and how
they prepare for teams when they have extra time, tells me the Texans are
gonna lose.

The true question is, by how much will the Texans lose?

Texas T
10-26-2010, 02:38 PM
I found this (http://community.mycolts.net/sreply/27255/t/Who-is-going-to-win-against-Houston-Monday-Night-.html)lurking on a Colts forum:


I'd like to beat the best when they are the best...... however with what I've seen so far this year, I'll take a W any way we can get one. I'm actually worried, that this will turn out to be a game we should win..... & we don't.

This^^^^^

This is my main concern-I'm afraid that the team will assume that they should beat the Colts due to injuries and not show up...

mokalus
10-26-2010, 03:04 PM
My favorite part of that excerpt from the Colts president:

"They've been drafting high for a long, long time..."

True story. :runaway:

Indy Skinnz
10-26-2010, 03:05 PM
This^^^^^

This is my main concern-I'm afraid that the team will assume that they should beat the Colts due to injuries and not show up...

Do you really believe that the Texans will overlook an injury depleted Colts team still QB'd by Manning? That is hard for me to believe. And why would a team as awful as the Texans have been on defense just assume that they show up and win? I would think that thought wouldn't exist if they were playing the Jags, let alone the Colts.

infantrycak
10-26-2010, 03:22 PM
I'd like to beat the best when they are the best......

TK this isn't directed at you really.

Never have understood this oft repeated sentiment. They aren't going to be playing us at our best without DeMeco, Barwin, etc. Heck Cushing and OD are still getting back up to speed. Somehow when considering are own team injuries are dismissed as an excuse but when discussing opponents it's like we are getting a cheap win if it happens.

Besides in this particular instance we did beat them at their best. Now I'll take the W any way we can get it.

ObsiWan
10-26-2010, 03:35 PM
TK this isn't directed at you really.

Never have understood this oft repeated sentiment. They aren't going to be playing us at our best without DeMeco, Barwin, etc. Heck Cushing and OD are still getting back up to speed. Somehow when considering are own team injuries are dismissed as an excuse but when discussing opponents it's like we are getting a cheap win if it happens.

Besides in this particular instance we did beat them at their best. Now I'll take the W any way we can get it.

Egggggzactly!!

El Tejano
10-26-2010, 03:35 PM
TK this isn't directed at you really.

Never have understood this oft repeated sentiment. They aren't going to be playing us at our best without DeMeco, Barwin, etc. Heck Cushing and OD are still getting back up to speed. Somehow when considering are own team injuries are dismissed as an excuse but when discussing opponents it's like we are getting a cheap win if it happens.

Besides in this particular instance we did beat them at their best. Now I'll take the W any way we can get it.

Cheap wins are better than expensive wins.

I doubt you will ever hear Manning say "They weren't healthy, I'm giving our win back to them."

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2010, 03:45 PM
Colts President Bill Polian final thoughts on weekly question & answer -


Quote:
They're coming off the bye week. Very difficult. Great team, as we saw. They're a great offensive team. They're having some struggles defensively, but I think they're front four is as good as there is in this division. We know they cut us up pretty good from the offensive standpoint. We know what (quarterback) Matt Schaub can do. We know what the great receiver can do. We know they're kicking game always gives us trouble, and they have good personnel there. That's an advantage for them right off the bat, because we don't match that kind of explosiveness in the return game. We're going to have to play in a depleted fashion. Whoever's out there, we're going to have to play our best game to beat these guys. They should be good. They've been drafting high for a long, long time and it's bearing fruit now. Most people down there consider them the favorite for the division championship. I wouldn't argue with that. But if we want to be a factor, we're going to have to play our best game this coming Monday Night.

Has he been watching this season's games......or just the wrong team?

Mean Machine
10-26-2010, 03:49 PM
Just win baby.

We have been so close to beating them up there for the last 2 years:

offensive keys:
Take care of the ball
Protect Schaubie
run the ball down their throats

defensive keys;
pressure manning
turnover turnovers turnovers
minimize big plays given up

spec teams keys:
good kick off returns
Jacoby time! for a punt return for a td.
no lapses in kick off coverage, pen them deep.

thunderkyss
10-26-2010, 03:57 PM
TK this isn't directed at you really.

Never have understood this oft repeated sentiment. They aren't going to be playing us at our best without DeMeco, Barwin, etc. Heck Cushing and OD are still getting back up to speed. Somehow when considering are own team injuries are dismissed as an excuse but when discussing opponents it's like we are getting a cheap win if it happens.

Besides in this particular instance we did beat them at their best. Now I'll take the W any way we can get it.

You're right. I don't know why I (or others who think that) think that way. I'm hoping we beat them the next 17 times we play them, & I really don't care how we do it.

ChampionTexan
10-26-2010, 03:58 PM
TK this isn't directed at you really.

Never have understood this oft repeated sentiment. They aren't going to be playing us at our best without DeMeco, Barwin, etc. Heck Cushing and OD are still getting back up to speed. Somehow when considering are own team injuries are dismissed as an excuse but when discussing opponents it's like we are getting a cheap win if it happens.

Besides in this particular instance we did beat them at their best. Now I'll take the W any way we can get it.

Completely agree - especially with the bolded part.

Injuries are an inherent component of life in the NFL. The ability to cope with those losses via depth, scouting, coaching adjustments, and the bringing in of productive street free agents is in my mind as much part of what defines how good a team is as how our fully healthy starting 22 match up against your fully healthy starting 22 -probably even more, since that fully healthy thing never happens to begin with.

I don't care how hurt you are, I don't care how hurt we are. This is what you signed up for - now go play football.

Thorn
10-26-2010, 06:35 PM
As has been said a thousand times in this forum already, it depends on which Texans team shows up. We can do anything from kick their butts into the dirt to getting horribly embarresed on national TV. Either way is possible with this team and predicting anything with the Texans is fruitless. Everyone should know that by now.

CloakNNNdagger
10-26-2010, 06:39 PM
TK this isn't directed at you really.

Never have understood this oft repeated sentiment. They aren't going to be playing us at our best without DeMeco, Barwin, etc. Heck Cushing and OD are still getting back up to speed. Somehow when considering are own team injuries are dismissed as an excuse but when discussing opponents it's like we are getting a cheap win if it happens.

Besides in this particular instance we did beat them at their best. Now I'll take the W any way we can get it.

Egggggzactly!!

You greedy bastards, you!:D

NitroGSXR
10-26-2010, 07:01 PM
Has he been watching this season's games......or just the wrong team?
I really think he was referring to mainly Jacoby. JJ has been a thorn in their side. He's done well against them there then again so do a lot of other teams. Their coverage is awkward at best.

DocBar
10-26-2010, 07:46 PM
Maybe Bush should try coaching players to read the QB's eyes as well as swarm to the ball. You gotta agree that we do swarm the ball. It just sucks that it's at least 7 yds down field on a given pass play. Swarming and attacking works great when it's a running play, but we make any QB we face look like freaking Joe Montana on pass plays. For the life of me, I can't figure out how we can invest so many high draft picks on defense and be so lousy. It makes me glad we picked and chose our spots on offense, cuz that's all we have right now. I'm absolutely disgusted with the state of our defense this year, especially after it looked so good after week 3 last year. I doubt we could stop UH or Rice right now.

Steal Your Face
10-27-2010, 09:06 AM
In spite of all the injuries my concern is that our pass defense will make their QB look like Peyton Manning.

Texan_Bill
10-27-2010, 09:14 AM
I found this (http://community.mycolts.net/sreply/27255/t/Who-is-going-to-win-against-Houston-Monday-Night-.html)lurking on a Colts forum:


I'd like to beat the best when they are the best...... however with what I've seen so far this year, I'll take a W any way we can get one. I'm actually worried, that this will turn out to be a game we should win..... & we don't.

Oh hell yeah!! I could give a damn about the rats ass when it comes to style points or whatever!!

tylercoltsfan
10-27-2010, 10:45 AM
As a Colts fan I most certainly am not relaxed about this game. Obviously with Clark, Collie and Addai (who looked awesome against Washington) out of the game this is going to be one of the (if not the) toughest game of the Colts seasons.

I dont know why the Colts are not going with Jacob Tamme.... He has always done well for Indy when he has taken over for Clark. Sure he has missed some catches, but Clark has done the same thing. I dont know much about this Brody Eldridge at all, but I wont write him off... The Colts QB is still Peyton Manning who has been playing fantastic this year and we all saw what he did with Garcon, and Collie. Clark usually has big days against the Texans so I just hope Brody shows up because he will be in full use Monday night.

Anthony Gonzolez is expected back which is huge. I was a little scared with Collie out, but Gonzo (if healthy) is just as good as Collie is. With Reggie, Gonzo, Garcon in Monday night eases my mind just a little bit with the receving core.

Looks like Donald Brown is also expected back Monday night so he will split reps with Mike Hart.

So even though there are alot of injuries here on offense and defense (Bob Sanders, Melvin Bullet) we also gain back some players Monday as well. This is going to be one of those nerve wrecking games all the way to the end. If the O line can hold their own this time (unlike that brutal week 1) Peyton will give the Texans defense a fit. He was under pressure almost every snap in week 1 and he still made it a decent game.

With the way the defense has looked this year it is going to be a shootout with the offenses. Colts have yet to stop the run (other then the Giants game) and I have no reason to think that will change Monday. Colts and Texans both have some critical injuries, but this is going to be a great game.

If Indy loses they are 0-3 in the division and this season might not be looking to good for them.

Heres to a great game :)

GO COLTS!!!

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 08:54 PM
If the O line can hold their own this time (unlike that brutal week 1) Peyton will give the Texans defense a fit. He was under pressure almost every snap in week 1 and he still made it a decent game.

Heres to a great game :)

GO COLTS!!!

He still gave us fits in week 1. 400 freak'n yards of fits.

I hope it's a good game, but if it's the "same ole Texans" Monday night, it'll be an embarrassment on National TV for us,we'll ne the laughing stock of the league, & Kubiak may not be able to find safe passage back into Houston.

JB
10-27-2010, 09:04 PM
He still gave us fits in week 1. 400 freak'n yards of fits.

I hope it's a good game, but if it's the "same ole Texans" Monday night, it'll be an embarrassment on National TV for us,we'll ne the laughing stock of the league, & Kubiak may not be able to find safe passage back into Houston.

You seem to get more negative by the hour. Manning did not light us up until the 4th qtr. He was hit 10 times in that game and under duress the entire time until we went into prevent mode.

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 09:26 PM
You seem to get more negative by the hour. Manning did not light us up until the 4th qtr. He was hit 10 times in that game and under duress the entire time until we went into prevent mode.

I'm going to try to be DexmanC for a few days.... pay it no mind.

CloakNNNdagger
10-27-2010, 09:37 PM
You seem to get more negative by the hour. Manning did not light us up until the 4th qtr. He was hit 10 times in that game and under duress the entire time until we went into prevent mode.

I totally agree. But can we count on someone in the coaching staff recognizing this and maybe learning something from this, when this has been such a self-destructing and stubbornly recurrent approach in the past?

thunderkyss
10-27-2010, 10:01 PM
I totally agree. But can we count on someone in the coaching staff recognizing this and maybe learning something from this, when this has been such a self-destructing and stubbornly recurrent approach in the past?

What would make you think this is even possible?

Have we ever seen a glimmer of any such insight from the staff?

JB
10-27-2010, 10:02 PM
I'm going to try to be DexmanC for a few days.... pay it no mind.

:lol: Seriously! My wife is pissed 'cause I woke her up with a loud snort!

I totally agree. But can we count on someone in the coaching staff recognizing this and maybe learning something from this, when this has been such a self-destructing and stubbornly recurrent approach in the past?

I don't know. All we can do is support & represent and hope the team does it's part.

CloakNNNdagger
10-28-2010, 12:19 PM
From a Colts perspective:

The biggest keys for the Colts, in my opinion, will be their ability to run the ball with Hart and company – ranked 25th in the NFL in rushing at only 94.8 yards per game – and stopping the run on defense (ranked 26th as Indy has allowed an average of 137.3 yards per game).

Lloyd Vance (Lloyd Vance is a Sr. NFL Writer for Taking It to the House and Sports Journey Network , who is also an award-winning member of the Pro Football Writers of America (PFWA)) is a Sr. NFL Writer for Taking It to the House and Sports Journey Network , who is also an award-winning member of the Pro Football Writers of America (PFWA)

Thorn
10-28-2010, 01:50 PM
Everyone at ESPN is picking the Colts. LOL

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

DexmanC
10-28-2010, 02:08 PM
Everyone at ESPN is picking the Colts. LOL

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

This is a "turned-the-corner" game. If the Texans win, the bandwagon
will be loaded. If the Texans lose, very few people will take this team
seriously as an "AFC Power" the rest of the season.

The situation is eerily similar to the MNF game against the Titans last year.

Thorn
10-28-2010, 02:10 PM
This is a "turned-the-corner" game. If the Texans win, the bandwagon
will be loaded. If the Texans lose, very few people will take this team
seriously as an "AFC Power" the rest of the season.

The situation is eerily similar to the MNF game against the Titans last year.

So far this season I've seen the bandwagon get loaded and emptyed twice. :lol: