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Grid
03-26-2005, 09:54 PM
This guy has been at the back of my mind all season and Ive just kinda ignored it and assumed he wasnt a factor in the whole "we need another RB" arguement.

But really he is... he was awesome in camp last year.. but before we could really see if he had what it takes.. he got severely injured in a preseason game and missed the rest of the season.

im talking about 6'0", 205lbs Jason Anderson. If he proves more durable this year, and shows the same promise he did last preseason.. then he could end up taking the place of Tony Hollings. Giving us Davis, Anderson, and Wells. Not an amazing lineup.. but possibly strong enough to be effective at least.

Trapped
03-27-2005, 01:01 AM
i actually got a better trade scenario to upgrade the rb position. I got a hunch that Ced Benson will fall on draft day. And he will be their at 13. Do we take him or do we trade this pick for the number 23(seahawks) and Shaun Alexander for the 13th pick and Jamie Sharper(who seattle has reported they are interested in).

I don't know if we have the money to afford Alexander, but i think this is a fair deal for both teams. The Seahawks will select Ced Benson at 13 and feel in a need at LB with Sharper, while the Texans pick up Alexander and select Demarcus Ware at 23 since Merriman didn't fall to us.

Seattle has also reported they are shopping Alexander for a 2nd round pick or so. This deal seems logical, because i feel Ced Benson will fall on draft day.

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 02:54 AM
heres a scenario,,,we trade bla bla for bla bla and get draft pick #bla bla and hope bla bla, falls and we get one of the best RB in the league,,,,wait we have him,,,whats his name hmmmmm oh its D. Davis #37 a very solid back !!! What yall think about that scenario,,,if our line dont pick up we could get preist holmes and hed be lucky to get a 3.9 avg behind our OL !!! So give D.D a line to work with and lets just see what he can do with it, before we talk about RB changes !

jacquescas
03-27-2005, 08:45 PM
you said it yourself a very solid back. Alexander is a star. Davis is still under his rookie contract for 1 more year and will will have to decide if we want to pay him franchise back money. If he turns in another 1000-1200 yard season how much are we gonna have to pay him to stay? How much more will Alexander cost for production over 1200 yards?

I like Davis alot but he hasn't been durable, if we could get a young stud, then why not.

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 08:50 PM
you said it yourself a very solid back. Alexander is a star. Davis is still under his rookie contract for 1 more year and will will have to decide if we want to pay him franchise back money. If he turns in another 1000-1200 yard season how much are we gonna have to pay him to stay? How much more will Alexander cost for production over 1200 yards?

I like Davis alot but he hasn't been durable, if we could get a young stud, then why not.


well i would prolly agree with you if we had a GREAT ol and D.D was still not productive enough for 1200-1500 yrds, but in the last 5 games of the season he really picked it up,,,he had 0 100 yrd games first half of the season and 4 over the second half, its all about the line and their ability to use the zone blocking scheme, i say we give him another year behind our fast improving line and see what he can do before we jump to any conclusions and make any hasty descesions !

TexansNeedRBin05
03-27-2005, 10:04 PM
well i would prolly agree with you if we had a GREAT ol and D.D was still not productive enough for 1200-1500 yrds, but in the last 5 games of the season he really picked it up,,,he had 0 100 yrd games first half of the season and 4 over the second half, its all about the line and their ability to use the zone blocking scheme, i say we give him another year behind our fast improving line and see what he can do before we jump to any conclusions and make any hasty descesions !

Good Stat! If Benson drops to 13 and we dont take him were *****s!

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 10:10 PM
Good Stat! If Benson drops to 13 and we dont take him were *****s!


u know that stat was semi complimenting D.D and the line over the last part of the season right ??? Just checking cause ya dont seem to high on D.D !

Texansbacker
03-27-2005, 10:49 PM
Good Stat! If Benson drops to 13 and we dont take him were *****s!


I would hope that Derrick Johnson would fall to us. Our first pick will be defense unless Braylon Edwards falls to 13 which is not going to happen.

Despite your efforts, Texans running back Dominick Davis, Rookie of the Year in 'O3 and very respectable numbers in '04 speak for themselves. Why give up a first round pick for a position you filled with fourth round pick. Brilliant!!
Like peanut butter and chocolate, you just go with what works. DD works and we have at least 4 other positions that could definitely use a first, second, third or fourth pick, say a LB, DL, OL, DB, WR? But if Bensen is still there at 13, perhaps a team would be willing to trade up and give us a few more picks. Now we are talking some improvement!

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 11:02 PM
But if Bensen is still there at 13, perhaps a team would be willing to trade up and give us a few more picks. Now we are talking some improvement!


haha now ur talking that would be nice, but i doubt he'll fall that far. he is a highly regarded running back.

Bellthebest
03-27-2005, 11:42 PM
I think that you guys are set at Rb with DD........

people say that he is the next Priest Holmes

i agree....

Grid
03-28-2005, 12:41 AM
A cross between Priest Holmes and Fred Taylor. Holmes' ability, Taylor's injury problems.

I would not complain if DD was our starting RB next season.. or even if he was our starting RB for the next 5 years. But his injury issues are a red flag, and if he is only well enough to play 12 games out of the year.. then we need another starter quality RB to split carries with him. If Benson falls we will take him i think. If not.. possibly Shelton in the 3rd.. or at the very least we will target a first day RB next draft. Thats my opinion anywho.

TexansTrueFan
03-28-2005, 12:54 AM
I think that you guys are set at Rb with DD........

people say that he is the next Priest Holmes

i agree....


hmmm some pretty powerful words !!! :hmmm: pretty strong indeed !

Texansbacker
03-28-2005, 01:21 AM
I think that you guys are set at Rb with DD........

people say that he is the next Priest Holmes

i agree....


They are built very similar and it took Priest a while to bloom. With the offensive line switching to a zone blocking scheme and with an extra year of experience, DD could be in for a very big year. A big if only because he has not proven he can stay healthy. I like Grid's comparison of him and Fred Taylor, although that is a little harsh.

Chance_C
03-28-2005, 11:21 AM
A cross between Priest Holmes and Fred Taylor. Holmes' ability, Taylor's injury problems

Unfortunately Priest has had his share of injury problems also.

Hervoyel
03-28-2005, 12:04 PM
I see no need for the Texans to target a running back on either the first or second day of the draft. I'd be ok if they didn't pick one at all this year. It goes something like this for me.

2003, DD jumps out after the Stacy Mack experiment grinds to a halt and impresses us all. Extrapolating his stats to a full season as the starter we all get excited about the next franchise back that nobody saw coming.

2004, Starting the season with high hopes DD fumbles away two games and goes into a funk as the offensive line demonstrates that it hasn't learned the new blocking scheme. Starting again at the mid point of the season (give or take a game or two) DD takes off again and once more leaves us with stats that when plugged into a full season would make him a Pro Bowl consideration and a legitimate franchise back.

2005. No excuses DD. Put together one whole season and show us what you can do. Last chance before your first contract runs out. If he does another thousand yard "half-year" due to injury or a fumble funk then he's going to cause two things to happen. He's going to cause the Texans to go get themselves another running back and he's going to cut into his salary on his next contract.

Texansbacker
03-28-2005, 12:44 PM
Nice post Hervoyel.

cadahnic
03-28-2005, 12:49 PM
DD is a good back. He is not a gamebreaker, but he is like Curtis Martin. DOnt get me wrong he has a long way to go to be Curtis Martin, but his simple take what I can get style is like Martin. I like Anderson, I think Wells is more of an H-back, and Hollings is a scat back that cannot stay healthy. I like a big RB in the 6th round maybe.

z0rpAn
03-28-2005, 04:11 PM
A cross between Priest Holmes and Fred Taylor. Holmes' ability, Taylor's injury problems.

I would not complain if DD was our starting RB next season.. or even if he was our starting RB for the next 5 years. But his injury issues are a red flag, and if he is only well enough to play 12 games out of the year.. then we need another starter quality RB to split carries with him. If Benson falls we will take him i think. If not.. possibly Shelton in the 3rd.. or at the very least we will target a first day RB next draft. Thats my opinion anywho.


Lets see, we have Davis who is quite effective at most times. You'll say hes injury prone, but its all good seeing how his replacement(Wells) picked up 2+ 100 yrd games last season, and then we have the guy with the speed to run on the outside. Now with that said WHY are you even thinking we need another running back?

HomeBred_Texan
03-28-2005, 04:16 PM
Lets see, we have Davis who is quite effective at most times. You'll say hes injury prone, but its all good seeing how his replacement(Wells) picked up 2+ 100 yrd games last season, and then we have the guy with the speed to run on the outside. Now with that said WHY are you even thinking we need another running back?
Cause Wells is not enough and Hollings can't carry a tune in a wheel barrow. DD cannot do it himself, this is his year to shine or be gone. That's why.. We don't want excuses, we want results...

Meloy
03-28-2005, 04:46 PM
i actually got a better trade scenario to upgrade the rb position. I got a hunch that Ced Benson will fall on draft day. And he will be their at 13. Do we take him or do we trade this pick for the number 23(seahawks) and Shaun Alexander for the 13th pick and Jamie Sharper(who seattle has reported they are interested in).

I don't know if we have the money to afford Alexander, but i think this is a fair deal for both teams. The Seahawks will select Ced Benson at 13 and feel in a need at LB with Sharper, while the Texans pick up Alexander and select Demarcus Ware at 23 since Merriman didn't fall to us.

Seattle has also reported they are shopping Alexander for a 2nd round pick or so. This deal seems logical, because i feel Ced Benson will fall on draft day.
I am confused (some say I stay that way). If Seattle is shopping Alexander for a 2nd round or so per your post, why don't we just offer that? We would still have the 13th to pick or trade down to someone else. We would also still have Sharper to trade or play. :confused:

Hervoyel
03-28-2005, 11:49 PM
this is his year to shine or be gone. That's why.. We don't want excuses, we want results...

Say what? "shine or be gone"? I'm having a hard time making sense of that statement. If Davis doesn't put out an entire year of quality play he's not going to "be gone". He's going to become a role player. There's nothing wrong with being a situational player. Davis will be that either here or somewhere else but the Texans aren't going to run this guy out of town because he's not a franchise back if that ends up being the case. No matter which way 2005 goes Davis isn't going anywhere.

outofhnd
03-29-2005, 12:56 AM
He may not go to another team but he most certainly will go to the bench, I think by the end of the year last season that the zone blocking scheme isnt going to spring him for a TD every time. Against the chiefs it was like he stalled at the line of scrimmage trying to decide which hole and by the time he decided the defense filled it. This year he can't have any excuses or else he is not going to be signed for much.

Shaun Alexander in my opinion is the ideal zone blocking back he hits holes but also has tremendous cutback ability. However DD's success will depend on that of our O Line. If they dont improve DD wont improve much next year either. But he has to play atleast 14 games next year for me to consider keeping him as our starter for another 3 years.

BornOrange
03-29-2005, 08:31 AM
I can see a bitter contract dispute next year with DD. If he gets another 1000 yard season he is going to see himself as a franchise back and will want to get paid that way. The Texans are probably going to be a little more realistic and offer him a salary of an average starting back. That will offend him, because he sees himself as a potential 2000 yard runner.

infantrycak
03-29-2005, 09:15 AM
Against the chiefs it was like he stalled at the line of scrimmage trying to decide which hole and by the time he decided the defense filled it.

Horrible game to use as an example of anything other than DD doesn't run well hurt. DD injured his ankle on his 1st carry in the game (6 yards by the way) and then tried to play through it in the 1st quarter. It wasn't working so Wells came in shortly into the 2nd quarter. Indecisiveness is not a DD failing--just check the healthy games instead..

infantrycak
03-29-2005, 09:21 AM
That will offend him, because he sees himself as a potential 2000 yard runner.

Not singling you out here BO but the 2000 yd comment by DD has been mentioned several times, generally by people asserting his was bragging, cocky, running his mouth off, whatever. I saw a clip of when the statement was made and there was zero Terrell Owens/Jamal Lewis to it--the guy was just excited about the new season and to start it as the 1st RB on the chart and about the new zone blocking scheme which was being discussed as well. IMO it was much more of a hey I am going to aim high and this new scheme is going to be great I think I can shoot for 2000 yds and get there.

BornOrange
03-29-2005, 10:16 AM
Not singling you out here BO but the 2000 yd comment by DD has been mentioned several times, generally by people asserting his was bragging, cocky, running his mouth off, whatever. I saw a clip of when the statement was made and there was zero Terrell Owens/Jamal Lewis to it--the guy was just excited about the new season and to start it as the 1st RB on the chart and about the new zone blocking scheme which was being discussed as well. IMO it was much more of a hey I am going to aim high and this new scheme is going to be great I think I can shoot for 2000 yds and get there.
I never really thought of it as being really cocky or arrogant, just kind of a rookie who wasn't aware of how difficult it is to get to 1500 much less 2000.

On second thought, I think my post was too harsh on DD. He is just doing his best and will probably not be a problem for Casserly to negotiate with as long as Casserly makes a reasonable offer. I guess I was projecting a lot of fans unreasonable expectations of him being a franchise back onto him. It is definitely not fair to think an athlete thinks of himself the same way some of his fans do.

Hervoyel
03-29-2005, 12:33 PM
unreasonable expectations of him being a franchise back

Just grabbed that part of a sentence because I wanted to throw in here that I'm not convinced that DD isn't a franchise back. At this point the evidence is incomplete. For every point that can be used to prove that he's not one I think there's a counter argument for him being one. That's what has me so damned hard up for a complete season out of this guy.

Open Question for anyone/everyone interested in this.

What does Domanick Davis have to do in 2005 to prove to you that he is, without a doubt, a "franchise" running back?

Specifically I'd like to know know if there's a set number of yards he has to reach? Number of touchdowns? Does he have to break a long one? How long? Does he need to put together a set number of 100 yard plus games?

For myself I'm going to say that Domanick Davis needs to play the vast majority of the season, 14 games for instance. I can live with him missing a couple of them but obviously all 16 games would be best. As important as not missing games would be Davis being consistently effective. No extended slumps during the year. Everyones going to have a bad game from time to time but Davis needs to have more good games when the team needs him to have a good game.

He needs to get upwards of 1500 yards. and since I'll be watching every single game they play (haven't missed one yet) I'm going to know if the majority of those yards were picked up in dead time. 1500 yards + would be necessary. He needs to be a threat to get 100+ every week and he needs to do it somewhere in the 8-10 times a season range.

Number of touchdowns I think can be misleading so I don't think that his finishing with 15 touchdowns (or some very high number) would make as much of a case for him if 12 of them were 1 yard runs capping drives that he didn't do the majority of the work on. Touchdowns are good and add to the overall "franchise back-ness" of DD but we have to take into account what kind of TD's they are. I think he's done ok on TD's so far. I'd expect them to be right up there where they have been.

I'd like to see him break a couple of runs in the 40-60 yard range during the season and finish them or, depending on the exact circumstances at least come very close to finishing them. If he can't outrun someone in the secondary but he runs over them I can live with that and think that's worth something. It's not speed but it's worth something.

What do you guys think?

Vinny
03-29-2005, 12:40 PM
I think what we see in Davis is what the Bills have in Henry. Henry is a nice little back and is very similar to Davis but they jumped at the first chance to upgrade to a dominant back (McGahee). If you want to be a running team and win in the playoffs you can't afford to have your primary ball carrier nicked up and putting your entire season on your back up running back in a one game elimination playoffs. It only takes one loss to crater your entire season and while Davis and Henry are competent backs, they are not the kind of guys you can depend on to be there and play hard and dominate 100% of the time. There is no best of 4 in the NFL when it comes to the playoffs. Heck, there are only 16 games in a season and once we start competing for home field advantage we can't put up with a month of 2.9 ypc again (say bye-bye to home field). Its win or go home, and running teams just need a guy who has more in the tank than Henry or Davis if they are going to lean on them in crunch time.

Blake
03-29-2005, 12:46 PM
But realistically, what are the chances that Williams, Benson, or Brown fall to us? Slim and none? I think it would be great to get a guy like Williams. He is like the McGahee pick, without the injury concern.

keyfro
03-29-2005, 12:59 PM
there is actually a good chance of that happening especially if the cards make the trade for henry...i see brown going to phins benson probably going to the dears and that would leave cadillac falling to us...the only problem is we dont' have cadillac he's another DD just a little taller

wags
03-29-2005, 12:59 PM
I think it would be great to get a guy like Williams. He is like the McGahee pick, without the injury concern.

He doesn't have to rehab a major injury like McGahee, but Caddy has the greatest amount of injury concerns among the top three backs.

blockhead83
03-29-2005, 01:04 PM
I can understand DD asking for a pay raise if he gets another 1000 yard season, but he doesn't seem like the type to ask for a ginormous contract. I remember a quote from him about how he wanted to start a barber shop when his NFL career is over, he doesn't seem like the type that is obsessed with money. Just my take on that. I think he can be a solid #1 for us, but only when he's healthy. With the pound the ball offense we seem to be aiming for I think we either need to find a stud who can handle the load, or find a bruiser to share the load with DD. I'm a big fan of DD, he's got good hands, he can shake off a tackle, and he's elusive in the open field. I just don't think he can be a player who can carry the offense by himself, he has to just be a contributor or we're too easy to shut down.

TexansTrueFan
03-29-2005, 02:00 PM
I think what we see in Davis is what the Bills have in Henry. Henry is a nice little back and is very similar to Davis but they jumped at the first chance to upgrade to a dominant back (McGahee). If you want to be a running team and win in the playoffs you can't afford to have your primary ball carrier nicked up and putting your entire season on your back up running back in a one game elimination playoffs. It only takes one loss to crater your entire season and while Davis and Henry are competent backs, they are not the kind of guys you can depend on to be there and play hard and dominate 100% of the time. There is no best of 4 in the NFL when it comes to the playoffs. Heck, there are only 16 games in a season and once we start competing for home field advantage we can't put up with a month of 2.9 ypc again (say bye-bye to home field). Its win or go home, and running teams just need a guy who has more in the tank than Henry or Davis if they are going to lean on them in crunch time.


ya know i can agree with most of what you are saying. But lets just say that Davis has had to run behind 2 different blocking systems in 2 years. And i am not gonna FULLY blame that for his early inconsitentcy last year, but i dont thinks its coinsidence that over the 2nd half of the season his production really picked up (line getting used to zone blocking). So maybe we should see what D.D can do next season running behind the same system with the same guys blocking for him before we jump to any major conclusions. Cause if we were to let him go, we might be looking at another Foley incident.

jacquescas
03-29-2005, 02:16 PM
yes davis has run behind 2 different systems, thats not in question, nor is his productivity, he has never run for less than 1000 yards in the NFL. Its his durability that is brought into question, does he have the ability to be the workhorse back we want? can he consistantly carry the ball without fumbling and getting hurt?

I think its almost certain we will either get another back, or draft one on day 1. Davis is in the last year of his contract and if he has another decent season where he rushes from 1000-1200 yards we are gonna have to wonder how much it will cost to keep him. if its the same or close to a Edge or Alexander i'd rather have them in the backfield than DD.

TexansTrueFan
03-29-2005, 02:23 PM
yes davis has run behind 2 different systems, thats not in question, nor is his productivity, he has never run for less than 1000 yards in the NFL. Its his durability that is brought into question, does he have the ability to be the workhorse back we want? can he consistantly carry the ball without fumbling and getting hurt?

I think its almost certain we will either get another back, or draft one on day 1. Davis is in the last year of his contract and if he has another decent season where he rushes from 1000-1200 yards we are gonna have to wonder how much it will cost to keep him. if its the same or close to a Edge or Alexander i'd rather have them in the backfield than DD.


well see the only issue i have about the whole (durability) thing is, that yes early in the season he was banged up, and the OL wasnt playing to well, but when the OL starting blocking better he stayed a lot healthier. I remember at the beginning of the season carr would hand him the ball and sometimes davis wouldnt even get to take a step because the defense was already on him, yet he dont seem to get hurt when the line is blocking well and he is running good. And honestly i think the early 4 fumbles in 2 games effected his running as well, he was so concerned about now fumbling the ball that he quit doing all the things that make him great !

TheOgre
03-29-2005, 02:40 PM
I think what we see in Davis is what the Bills have in Henry. Henry is a nice little back and is very similar to Davis but they jumped at the first chance to upgrade to a dominant back (McGahee). If you want to be a running team and win in the playoffs you can't afford to have your primary ball carrier nicked up and putting your entire season on your back up running back in a one game elimination playoffs. It only takes one loss to crater your entire season and while Davis and Henry are competent backs, they are not the kind of guys you can depend on to be there and play hard and dominate 100% of the time. There is no best of 4 in the NFL when it comes to the playoffs. Heck, there are only 16 games in a season and once we start competing for home field advantage we can't put up with a month of 2.9 ypc again (say bye-bye to home field). Its win or go home, and running teams just need a guy who has more in the tank than Henry or Davis if they are going to lean on them in crunch time.

Well said. He is a lot like Travis Henry.

I don't view Davis as a home run hitter or a true power back. His fumbles at the beginning of last season seemed to be an aberation, so I won't hold that against him. I don't like the fact that he plays very poorly when nicked up. He is serviceable, but I want more out of the position. I think the fact that most defensives scheme to eliminate AJ and encourage us to run, says all we need to know about how they view Davis.

The Texans want to control the tempo of the game with our rushing game. We don't need just a solid back to go to the Super Bowl with this type of offense. We need a super star back. One that scares defenses. Davis isn't that guy.

infantrycak
03-29-2005, 03:23 PM
I think the fact that most defensives scheme to eliminate AJ and encourage us to run, says all we need to know about how they view Davis.

Several folks have made statements like this with the implication that it means DD isn't that good. There is no necessary logic to that conclusion. Another possibility is that AJ is foremost in defenses minds because he is the fantastic pro-bowl WR he is. Do you really think if everyone's favorite missed Texan had been on the team the last two years (Clinton Portis by the way) that teams still wouldn't be doubling up and scheming AJ? That isn't a slight on Portis, just a statement of reality that if you give the Texans AJ in single coverage all day long the scoreboard will look like a pinball machine if Carr has any time.

While there are some comparisons for Travis Henry, I really think the Bills choice to draft McGahee had less to do with Henry's lack of contribution to the offense (1438 yds rushing plus 309 receiving for 14 TD's) than with (a) his 11 fumbles and (b) the opportunity to get a player perceived as a top 3 player for a much lower pick and salary. Because of his fall, McGahee's contract is less expensive than what Henry's market value is.

Herv--I agree with most of your post, but would lower the yardage bar a bit. There were only 5 RB's with over 1500 yds last year, 6 the year before and none repeated between the two years.

wags
03-29-2005, 03:37 PM
[b] What does Domanick Davis have to do in 2005 to prove to you that he is, without a doubt, a "franchise" running back?

He has to show up to a game with GoldenPalace.com written all over his uniform.


JK. I think DD will continue to improve and he will be fine. He had almost 1200 yards this past year and ran for 13 TD's. If he can post similar numbers and start 15 games again, I will be happy.

DoCt3rJ
03-29-2005, 04:17 PM
I say we trade sharper, and the 2nd round or the pick we traded sharper for, we take a MLB - our 13th pick, if Benson falls to us, hell yes take him :) and put DD as a backup untill his contract and through and let him go.

TexansTrueFan
03-29-2005, 05:24 PM
I say we trade sharper, and the 2nd round or the pick we traded sharper for, we take a MLB - our 13th pick, if Benson falls to us, hell yes take him :) and put DD as a backup untill his contract and through and let him go.


hmmm i say i want some of what ur smoking. Terrible idea IMO !

jacquescas
03-29-2005, 06:58 PM
i think if one of the top 3 runners falls to uswe take him. Then worst case scenario next year we place the transition tag on DD and get at worst a 4th round pick for him. We can go into the season with 2 capable backs which can take pressure off a mediocre line because the runner will at least always be fresh.

I just dont see us giving him a franchise back contract, if he doesn't ask for it then we can easily keep 2 backs in the backfield which will only improve our team

Blake
03-29-2005, 07:07 PM
i think if one of the top 3 runners falls to uswe take him. Then worst case scenario next year we place the transition tag on DD and get at worst a 4th round pick for him. We can go into the season with 2 capable backs which can take pressure off a mediocre line because the runner will at least always be fresh.

I just dont see us giving him a franchise back contract, if he doesn't ask for it then we can easily keep 2 backs in the backfield which will only improve our team

What makes you think DD isnt waiting for another 1,000 yard season before he asks for that big contract, and actually has the stats to back it up?

jacquescas
03-29-2005, 07:22 PM
thats my worst fear, that he has another 1000-1200 yard season in which he was good, but not dominant, and asks for a contract that a all-pro would want.

he is in the last year of his contract, so he should have his best year, plus so far the offensive line is exactly the same, so the consistancy should help.

wags
03-29-2005, 07:53 PM
thats my worst fear, that he has another 1000-1200 yard season in which he was good, but not dominant, and asks for a contract that a all-pro would want.


Lamont Jordan signed a five year 27.5 million dollar contract, and he has never rushed for over 500 yards in a season. I would imagine that DD's production would warrant a bigger contract than Lamont Jordan.

bigtex77
03-29-2005, 08:20 PM
DD will be one of the best runners if he can stay healthy. He's shown that he's one of the best when he's on the field. I think the Texans will draft a WR with the 13th pick which should take some pressure off of 'Dre, and ultimately take pressure off of Carr. It should keep the defense from having team meetings in our backfield. I think that DD's rushing ability along with defenses not being able to double cover Dre and the o-line having another year to gel should give Carr alot more time to throw. What do you think?

edo783
03-29-2005, 09:56 PM
I have been thinking about the idea that teams schemed to double AJ because they thought DD couldn't beat them. I'm not sure that is entirely correct. That they wanted to shutdown AJ is without doubt, but I think that may be the result of that none of the other WR scared them and they knew that the O-line was so crappy that they could sack David at will and that they didn't block well enough for DD to really run well. It's not that DD didn't scare them, it's that NOTHING else we had scared them. I am looking forward to seeing if the O-line performs as well as it SEEMED to towards the end of the season. If they do, and we develope some sort of secondary passing threat (a WR or TE threat), I suspect that DD will be much more of a concern for the defenses.

infantrycak
03-29-2005, 10:04 PM
Then worst case scenario next year we place the transition tag on DD and get at worst a 4th round pick for him.

Neither the transition tag (which gets zero compensation by the way, just an option to match) nor the franchise tag will be used on DD next year. While his contract will be up, he will be a RFA which means the Texans will have four options (a) not tender an offer (won't happen) (b) tender the low RFA offer which means the offer to match any offer or get his original draft pick, i.e. a 4th rounder back, (c) give a mid offer and have the option to match or get a 1st rounder or (d) give a high offer and have the option to match or get 1st and 3rd round picks. The high offer this year was about $1.3 mil.

outofhnd
03-29-2005, 10:38 PM
The Worst Scenario is that another team signs him and then he puts up 2000yd numbers.

I hope DD sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber all year so he doesnt get hurt. that being said, I would like to put up Franchise back numbers, But if he lands in the middle of the pack again next year, something is wrong.

With the way defenses gameplan us DD should explode in the first half for around 50 yds and a TD. If the O line is effective. What I want from DD is a gameplan altering performance every game. I want to see Defenses put 8 in the box to contain him opening up Carr and the passing game. I want to see him step up and take on a blitzing LB. I want to see him moving the chains or getting us into manageable down situations.

Big Plays from DD not really looking for that but im looking for longevity and late game effectiveness. If the other team is down by 3 with 3 min left I want DD to milk the clock and keep the ball and not allow them a possession.

That is a franchise back to me.

Grid
03-29-2005, 11:59 PM
Neither the transition tag (which gets zero compensation by the way, just an option to match) nor the franchise tag will be used on DD next year. While his contract will be up, he will be a RFA which means the Texans will have four options (a) not tender an offer (won't happen) (b) tender the low RFA offer which means the offer to match any offer or get his original draft pick, i.e. a 4th rounder back, (c) give a mid offer and have the option to match or get a 1st rounder or (d) give a high offer and have the option to match or get 1st and 3rd round picks. The high offer this year was about $1.3 mil.



Unless he has a breakout year.. I could see us doing C.

Mr Shush
03-30-2005, 01:05 PM
No, we'll make the high offer. It's pretty hard to see Davis as being worth less than 1.3, almost regardless of what he does next season. That said, I can see him holding out for an unjustifiably large contract if he does have decent numbers and we don't have an obvious alternative.

Grid
03-30-2005, 01:50 PM
I dont see us giving him the big payday when he still hasnt put up a full season. By doing C.. we would garuntee a first rounder for him if someone decides to make an offer we cant match... without putting ourselves in a position where we could possibly be overpaying a change of pace back.

I just think C gives us the best risk vs reward. We would not have to pay out the wazoo.. but still garuntee that if someone DOES make an offer we arent willing to match.. we get a good return for him.

I honestly dont think that anyone will offer us a first rounder for him unless he has a GREAT year this year... he just isnt dependable enough at this point.

michaelm
03-30-2005, 02:40 PM
Lamont Jordan signed a five year 27.5 million dollar contract, and he has never rushed for over 500 yards in a season. I would imagine that DD's production would warrant a bigger contract than Lamont Jordan.


Well, if Jordan produces at a high level, he will be worth the $. If he doesn't, the Texans can use that as an example of why not to (over)pay DD.
I think that the consensus on Jordan is that he will be a top quality back. I wouldn't be at all suprised if he is regarded as a higher quality back than DD. He has played behind a hall of famer and hasn't been called upon fully so far.
I think he will go off this season...

So, do you think that a 600 yd back should ask for more than Jordan? Of course not... The stats don't tell the whole story of a player...

Mr Shush
03-30-2005, 05:40 PM
If Chester Taylor is worth 3 million, Davis is worth the high tender. It's not like that would be what he'd eventually play for anyway, in all probability.

TexanFanInCC
03-30-2005, 05:55 PM
we dont need a runningback. when dd is healthy, he is as good as anyone...and we have two legitamite backups with hollings and wells. there are more important things to address.