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DerekLee1
10-17-2010, 11:47 AM
I'd sell next year's farm to get one of the Raiders' corners right about now.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5695925

The Oakland Raiders called around the league this week and let it be known that any of their players are available in a trade, according to league sources.

Raiders players that have drawn interest around the league since training camp began include linebacker Thomas Howard and cornerback Chris Johnson.

This is not the first time the Raiders have made exploratory calls of this variety, offering up any number of players on their roster.

The same thing happened at this time last year as well, just before the trade deadline, when the Raiders were willing to conduct a fire sale of their roster but then never made any moves.

The same could happen this year, but if the Raiders do not perform the way they hope Sunday versus San Francisco, the likelihood that the team makes a deal or two before Tuesday's trade deadline could increase.

fiasco west
10-17-2010, 11:56 AM
hmmm...

Chris Johnson is a pretty good CB

TheMatrix31
10-17-2010, 12:34 PM
I would also give up a ton to grab one of them.

Ranger Tom
10-17-2010, 01:10 PM
I don't suppose Mr. Asomugha is on that list?

JB
10-17-2010, 01:11 PM
I don't suppose Mr. Asomugha is on that list?

Supposedly everyone is on the list.

RagingBull
10-17-2010, 01:26 PM
How about all of our draft picks next year for Seymour (DT), Asomugha (CB), C. Johnson (CB), and Huff (FS)? I would do it.

LikeMike
10-17-2010, 01:26 PM
Supposedly everyone is on the list.

Offer next years 1st and a 2012 3d round for Asomugha... I truly believe that besides our secondary the Texans have very few holes...

Goatcheese
10-17-2010, 01:37 PM
Offer next years 1st and a 2012 3d round for Asomugha... I truly believe that besides our secondary the Texans have very few holes...

Do it. Now.

Fly him in at half time.

Ranger Tom
10-17-2010, 01:43 PM
Do it. Now.

Fly him in at half time.

"Hey there, Coach. Sorry I'm a little late, but the circumstances here are a little strange."

"You're fine. Here's the only play you need to know: Dwayne Bowe. Go out there and stop him."

"I'm still wearing a Raiders uniform."

"Just GO!"

Kulluminatii
10-17-2010, 01:49 PM
This is some great news to wake up to :D. I highly doubt any of our top players will be traded (mainly Aso, McFadden, & Miller), unless a team offers something crazy...at least I hope thats the case. Man these next few days are going to be nerve-wracking.

TexanSam
10-17-2010, 01:50 PM
If Kubiak and Rick Smith want to save their jobs, they should seriously consider trading for a cornerback.

Wolf
10-17-2010, 01:54 PM
I don't think Frank bush would know what to do with them
:choke:

HJam72
10-17-2010, 01:58 PM
Can we also trade for a DC?

Texecutioner
10-17-2010, 02:27 PM
I'd sell next year's farm to get one of the Raiders' corners right about now.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5695925

The Texans won't ever do that with Rick Smith as our GM. As badly as we need a guy like Nnamdi to turn this secondary around, we won't do it. We've had all kinds of chances to go after safeties that we really needed in free agency and we wouldn't even do that. We rolled the dice with a rookie and a 2nd year player going into this season at CB and Eugene Wilson at safety. SMith will go after another CB in the draft maybe, but there is no way he trades early picks like that and that's what it would take.

DerekLee1
10-17-2010, 03:24 PM
The Texans won't ever do that with Rick Smith as our GM. As badly as we need a guy like Nnamdi to turn this secondary around, we won't do it. We've had all kinds of chances to go after safeties that we really needed in free agency and we wouldn't even do that. We rolled the dice with a rookie and a 2nd year player going into this season at CB and Eugene Wilson at safety. SMith will go after another CB in the draft maybe, but there is no way he trades early picks like that and that's what it would take.

If Bob McNair goes to Rick Smith and says, "you fix this defense NOW or you're fired", he would.

phantom17
10-17-2010, 03:26 PM
Can we also trade for a DC?

This one! ^

DerekLee1
10-17-2010, 03:40 PM
The Texans have one of the youngest teams in the league, and we're pretty solid in most positions outside of the secondary. With no major contracts expiring this year and considering our youth, losing a couple of draft picks is NOT going to hurt us much long-term. PULL THE F-ING TRIGGER!!! Get ASO!!

Dash
10-17-2010, 03:40 PM
Its becoming quite clear that we won't be solving our defensive problems via free agency and with DeMeco out for the season we need to make a move. McNair has dig into his pockets and has to be willing to let go of an asset (draft picks, etc) if we want to make an impact this year. Doubtful either happens.

nero THE zero
10-17-2010, 03:50 PM
I'd rather trade for one of Denver's CB. Either Goodman or Bailey; they're older and would cost much less.

I'd rather have an impact DT that can pressure the QB though.

fiasco west
10-17-2010, 03:53 PM
Its becoming quite clear that we won't be solving our defensive problems via free agency and with DeMeco out for the season we need to make a move. McNair has dig into his pockets and has to be willing to let go of an asset (draft picks, etc) if we want to make an impact this year. Doubtful either happens.


Pretty much. I'm guessing we'll here the "We gotta roll with our guys, we have faith in the guys we have here." mess.

Texans need a lot of help on defense on top of a DT, CB, and FS...now a LB. Raiders actually have a lot of talent on their defense, and some of these guys will be happy to come to a 4-2 team.

Gymrat2005
10-17-2010, 03:53 PM
I'd Trade a 1st rounder, Slaton, and a second rounder, and 2012's Second for Asomugha.

Texecutioner
10-17-2010, 03:57 PM
If Bob McNair goes to Rick Smith and says, "you fix this defense NOW or you're fired", he would.

And since when has Mcnair ever been that kind of guy? Just the thought of that is laughable.

Goatcheese
10-17-2010, 04:02 PM
Any news yet?

I thought this would have been done by now. Oh and get their LB Thomas while you're in the checkout lane. DeMeco is done until 2011.

MojoX
10-17-2010, 04:05 PM
Pretty much. I'm guessing we'll here the "We gotta roll with our guys, we have faith in the guys we have here." mess.

Even if the Texans try to strike a deal and fail they should say that.

The Raiders might be saying they are willing to trade, but their management is dumb enough to demand far too much for their talent.

TheMatrix31
10-17-2010, 04:09 PM
What would happen if we were to trade for Asomugha and they just throw it on our other corners? They're still gonna suck.

Would still be nice though :)

Goatcheese
10-17-2010, 04:11 PM
What would happen if we were to trade for Asomugha and they just throw it on our other corners? They're still gonna suck.

Would still be nice though :)

Atleast the QB would have to make a read, and we can roll coverage to the other side to make it difficult.

Wolf
10-17-2010, 04:13 PM
Atleast the QB would have to make a read, and we can roll coverage to the other side to make it difficult.

yep and shut down half the field

LikeMike
10-17-2010, 04:14 PM
What would happen if we were to trade for Asomugha and they just throw it on our other corners? They're still gonna suck.

Would still be nice though :)

If you have someone like Aso, Quinn can be what he really is: a Nr.2 corner. And KJ can finally be what he should be right now: a slot corner. They will be all right in that department.

And when the QB needs to wait longer than 2 seconds to find someone open, our D-line should be able to get to him... getting a guy like Aso would mean a ripple effect for the whole defense... and then of course for the whole team!

TexCanada
10-17-2010, 04:14 PM
What would happen if we were to trade for Asomugha and they just throw it on our other corners? They're still gonna suck.

Would still be nice though :)

Aso covers the #1 receiver by himself. We can put tighter coverage on the #2. It would make a big difference to take our worst CB off the field and replace him with a pro bowler. It may not fix the problem, but it would sure help.

DerekLee1
10-17-2010, 06:24 PM
If you have someone like Aso, Quinn can be what he really is: a Nr.2 corner. And KJ can finally be what he should be right now: a slot corner. They will be all right in that department.

And when the QB needs to wait longer than 2 seconds to find someone open, our D-line should be able to get to him... getting a guy like Aso would mean a ripple effect for the whole defense... and then of course for the whole team!

THIS.

You tie up the opposition's best receiver with Aso, you can give Quin safety help. Then bring in KJ in nickel packages until he proves he can be in coverage by himself.

Look, we spent a first and 4th this year to try and find a corner and it didn't happen. We're gonna have to do it again and roll the dice. Or you can land a sure thing with the same package. We could've have Cromartie for a 3rd last year (Jets got him with a 4th). I'd rather have Cromartie and my 1st and 4th back right now.

Rey
10-17-2010, 06:34 PM
If I'm Rick Smith, I treat the Raiders like a flea market...

Shop around for what you want/need and bargain to get the best price possible...

I'd seriously get two or three of their players..

TexCanada
10-17-2010, 06:37 PM
Oakland just lost, but they are still in a race for the division. I don't think they will be overly eager to sell their players. They will be holding out for a good package.

Texan4Ever
10-17-2010, 06:41 PM
"Hey there, Coach. Sorry I'm a little late, but the circumstances here are a little strange."

"You're fine. Here's the only play you need to know: Dwayne Bowe. Go out there and stop him."

"I'm still wearing a Raiders uniform."

"Just GO!"


LMAO! Seriously, if we got Aso, CJ, maybe Huff, and any other player worth adding (their TE Zach Miller is underrated as hell), I would be more then excited, would make our team that much better.

DerekLee1
10-17-2010, 06:42 PM
Oakland just lost, but they are still in a race for the division. I don't think they will be overly eager to sell their players. They will be holding out for a good package.

They won't win with those QB's they have, and they know this season is a waste. They're wanting a 1st and some change to try to land a franchise QB to go along with some good RB's. Chris Johnson is a good CB, and Aso's contract is enormous. I think Aso can be had for a 1st plus a 2nd or 3rd.

silvrhand
10-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Trade Owen Daniels and a draft pick and try to get Huff/Aso, or Huff/Seymore.

Goatcheese
10-17-2010, 06:44 PM
Aso, C.Johnson, T.Howard, and M.Huff for 2 #1s and Matt Leinart. :cowboy1:

Malloy
10-17-2010, 06:52 PM
Aso, C.Johnson, T.Howard, and M.Huff for 2 #1s and Matt Leinart. :cowboy1:

That's what I thought! :)

TexanSam
10-17-2010, 06:54 PM
Next year's 1st and 3rd round picks and Jacoby Jones for Asomugha.

ArlingtonTexan
10-17-2010, 06:55 PM
A thread for wishful thinkers and dreamers.

Koolaid Time
10-17-2010, 06:58 PM
Aso, C.Johnson, T.Howard, and M.Huff for 2 #2s and Matt Leinart. :cowboy1:

Fixed it for you!

Throw in a McDonald's "Happy Meal" with the deal and the Raiders might take it.

Remember these are the same "brain surgeons" that drafted "Mr. Drank" JaMarcus Russell...

Hervoyel
10-17-2010, 07:11 PM
Amobi Okoye and a 3 for Seymour. Then next years 1 plus the following seasons 2 (or Jacoby Jones, his choice) for Asomugha.

Then walk away from the table.

Hervoyel
10-17-2010, 07:15 PM
A thread for wishful thinkers and dreamers.

Everybody needs to have a dream right? I'm dreaming of the Texans fixing their defense in time for the Colts game and I'm almost out of opportunities so this "fantasy" is all I have left. They have pieces we need, we have draft picks we can afford to spend and players they might be interested in trying to develop. If not then we have more draft picks they could use. We're damn near the youngest team in the NFL, how long are we going to stay that way? Lets get a real shut down corner in here, roll Kareem back to nickle where he belongs at this stage in his career, and get a big ass defensive tackle who can make Mario and Antoine's efforts at DE pay off.

TexCanada
10-17-2010, 07:20 PM
Amobi Okoye and a 3 for Seymour. Then next years 1 plus the following seasons 2 (or Jacoby Jones, his choice) for Asomugha.

Then walk away from the table.

This is good stuff. I imagine the Raiders would be interested in this as well. I'm sure they try to get a little bit more out of us, and I would be willing to toss in another 4th rounder or Slaton to tip the scales. As people have mentioned, maybe Leinart could be a small piece to this puzzle as well.

DerekLee1
10-17-2010, 09:09 PM
And since when has Mcnair ever been that kind of guy? Just the thought of that is laughable.

What is perceived of him in public is much different than his attitude behind closed doors. That man wants nothing more than to win. While he won't go all Al Davis or Jerry Jones and play GM, if he wants his defense fixed, I have no doubt he'll lay the hammer down.

midway
10-17-2010, 09:19 PM
A thread for wishful thinkers and dreamers.

Well, these IS Al Davis we're talking about.

HTown2ATX
10-17-2010, 09:22 PM
Amobi Okoye and a 3 for Seymour. Then next years 1 plus the following seasons 2 (or Jacoby Jones, his choice) for Asomugha.

Then walk away from the table.

I think even the Raaaaaiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddddaaaaaaassssssssss recognize Okeye as garbage so forget that.

Just throw our weight at getting Asomugha.

ObsiWan
10-17-2010, 09:41 PM
I think even the Raaaaaiiiiiiiiiiddddddddddddaaaaaaassssssssss recognize Okeye as garbage so forget that.

Just throw our weight at getting Asomugha.

They will also recognize that we are desperate and therefore negotiating from a weak position. We could end up trading our future to the Raiders and still not be as better off as we'd like to be.

ArlingtonTexan
10-17-2010, 11:22 PM
Everybody needs to have a dream right? I'm dreaming of the Texans fixing their defense in time for the Colts game and I'm almost out of opportunities so this "fantasy" is all I have left. They have pieces we need, we have draft picks we can afford to spend and players they might be interested in trying to develop. If not then we have more draft picks they could use. We're damn near the youngest team in the NFL, how long are we going to stay that way? Lets get a real shut down corner in here, roll Kareem back to nickle where he belongs at this stage in his career, and get a big ass defensive tackle who can make Mario and Antoine's efforts at DE pay off.

It is not even that trades don't make sense from the Texans veiwpoint, but the three or four trades that have went down in the last few weeks is a lot for the NFL during its trade deadline much less what is rumored to be on the block. It is easier for me to not get my hopes up than to deal in extreme exceptions.

As for the Texans' D, I have conceded that this year is about how far the offense can take us. I get frustrated during the actual games, but once its over I know what I am dealing with: scoring bunches of points and hoping for just enough from the defense.

Hervoyel
10-17-2010, 11:30 PM
They will also recognize that we are desperate and therefore negotiating from a weak position. We could end up trading our future to the Raiders and still not be as better off as we'd like to be.

"our future"? Are you going to build for our future every year until the sun burns out? Are we in a never ending cycle of bringing in 7 or so new guys every season and thinking they're going to come in and make us magically playoff contenders? Well, at some point you stop getting better by adding talented rookies and begin improving through experience. We have a young team with barely a starter dating back before the the 2006 draft. We're missing a couple of significant pieces, one of which is a ***** and a half to find (shut down corner) so do you want to just let Andre Johnson grow old waiting for us to draft a guy like Aso? IF we can even find one? AJ's in his 8th season now, he and Schaub won't be here forever. When are we finished building the team and ready to start fighting in the postseason?

I understand that in a way it's a never ending process (building a team) but you build the team through the draft (we been doing that for five years now) and then fill holes and remaining needs through trades and free agency. There are no dominant defensive tackles or shut down cornerbacks wandering around looking for a job. You have to give something to get something and we're deep in places and young. Young teams can go a year or two without a first round draft pick if we're getting players for those picks who will lock out a third of the field or collapse the pocket giving our ends the chance to start piling up sacks.

Norg
10-17-2010, 11:31 PM
Ok now after a few hours thinking it over comeone guyz a 1st round pick for a CB off another team

we just spent a 1st round on Jackson and its going to take more then a 1st to get ASO


besides our CB depth is there kinda i think we need a CB but someone else with not has high of a price tag maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick type CB

i think we need a DE or SS or Lbers instead at this point

i was looking at the Dolphins CB depth and they have some nice CB maybe we should look there

Goldensilence
10-17-2010, 11:35 PM
Aso is the obvious choice to see what Al would take, I also wouldn't mind a look at Thomas Howard. With Demeco out and the rest of our LBers subpar at best in coverage I think he would bring athleticism to the position.

Dash
10-17-2010, 11:37 PM
"our future"? Are you going to build for our future every year until the sun burns out? Are we in a never ending cycle of bringing in 7 or so new guys every season and thinking they're going to come in and make us magically playoff contenders? Well, at some point you stop getting better by adding talented rookies and begin improving through experience. We have a young team with barely a starter dating back before the the 2006 draft. We're missing a couple of significant pieces, one of which is a ***** and a half to find (shut down corner) so do you want to just let Andre Johnson grow old waiting for us to draft a guy like Aso? IF we can even find one? AJ's in his 8th season now, he and Schaub won't be here forever. When are we finished building the team and ready to start fighting in the postseason?

I understand that in a way it's a never ending process (building a team) but you build the team through the draft (we been doing that for five years now) and then fill holes and remaining needs through trades and free agency. There are no dominant defensive tackles or shut down cornerbacks wandering around looking for a job. You have to give something to get something and we're deep in places and young. Young teams can go a year or two without a first round draft pick if we're getting players for those picks who will lock out a third of the field or collapse the pocket giving our ends the chance to start piling up sacks.

This. We need to stop relying on a pack of rookies to turn our season around. That cornerback we will draft with our first round pick would be lucky to end up anything like Aso.

Edit: someone on the clutchfans board said the Raiders want 2 first rounders for Aso. I couldn't find the link though so take it fwiw.

cdastros
10-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Champ Baily was traded for Clinton Portis and a second round pick. I guess that is equivalent to a 1st and a 2nd.

Norg
10-17-2010, 11:52 PM
dayum on know bailey was on our radar since teh hole denver connection

Texans never make MOVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

i guess we would have had to give up Foster and a 2nd ..... not worth it IMO

Kulluminatii
10-18-2010, 02:23 AM
This. We need to stop relying on a pack of rookies to turn our season around. That cornerback we will draft with our first round pick would be lucky to end up anything like Aso.

Edit: someone on the clutchfans board said the Raiders want 2 first rounders for Aso. I couldn't find the link though so take it fwiw.

I was curious to see where the guy got his info from, I found the post but didn't find a link so I guess I can't make much of it. It does sound like something Al would ask...so there might be some truth to it.

Oh yeah, this post from clutchfans made my day.
Link: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=194150&page=3&pp=20
At first when I read they were having a fire sale he was the first name I thought about. But after checking out his stats for this year, no thanks. He has no interceptions and K Jackson has double amount of tackles then he has. Even Jackson has a int. for pete sakes. Theres a reason they would do this people. Unless they want to take 3rd and maybe a 4th round pick then they can keep him.

Aso stats (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4489)

Jackson stats (http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13254)

Now I'm not saying Jackson is better then him. But giving a first round pick much less 2 first round picks is giving up too much for a guy that is obviously going down hill. If they can't trade him between now and the draft, they will release him instead of paying him another 16 mill. Cause that is how the nfl works.
:lol:

But seriously... :facepalm: