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edo783
03-25-2005, 09:53 AM
Seems that Ruben has been given the "OK" to seek a trade. As we are in need of a "Pounder" typ back, is this someone we should be interested in to pair with DD? He ran for something like 1,200 yards last year.

ArlingtonTexan
03-25-2005, 09:56 AM
Actually, I would not mind him, but I think the Broncos are still asking too much for him.

bayshorebevo
03-25-2005, 10:07 AM
denver's rb's always run for a million yards. is it the guy or the system?

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 10:30 AM
I think this guy is just a one year wonder like Olandis Gary was...Honestly, I'd rather keep Wells or draft a guy like Eric Shelton in the 3rd...

Tailgate
03-25-2005, 10:49 AM
Why do people keep insisting that we need a RB? Why in the world would we trade for that position when we have much bigger needs every where else?

PapaL
03-25-2005, 10:52 AM
Maybe because none of the RB's can stay healthy for the whole season.

Carr Bombed
03-25-2005, 10:55 AM
I feel the same way. The OL and DL are way bigger needs at this moment. DD is the starter so if we are going to bring someone in to compliment him or challenge him its going to be a back aquired through the draft, probably with one of our 3rd round picks. People forget this is the deepest draft in recent memory for rbs.

PapaL
03-25-2005, 10:58 AM
Najeh Davenport can be had for a 4th round pick (RFA from GB). Why not use that pick on someone that's already in the league and can make the roster?

Carr Bombed
03-25-2005, 11:00 AM
I seriously doubt we can get devenport for just a 4th round pick

PapaL
03-25-2005, 11:03 AM
He's a RFA, thats the price for compensation.

P.King (SI.com) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/03/21/mmqb.hawaii/3.html)

2. I think, still -- and I truly don't mean to harp on Green Bay restricted free agent running back Najeh Davenport (I have written in this space that teams are crazy for not signing Davenport to an offer sheet which, if not matched by the Packers, would cost the signing team only a fourth-round pick as compensation), but a personnel man who I respect a lot pulled me aside last night and said: "I've been reading what you wrote about Najeh Davenport, and I agree. Hasn't anyone out there seen this guy play? You're telling me Arizona, with all their cap room, couldn't write an offer sheet the Packers wouldn't match. They'd have their running back of the future and it wouldn't even cost them a first-day draft choice?'' Davenport is probably out another two months after some clean-up shoulder surgery two weeks ago, but it's not anything that will prevent him from being ready for the season.

Carr Bombed
03-25-2005, 11:05 AM
The packers would defintely match any offer we would be willing to spend on that position at this time. Its not like were in dire need right now.

PapaL
03-25-2005, 11:11 AM
I think the point of all these convos about other RB's is that there are other options out there. DD isn't terrible, but he's no Barry Sanders either. Don't get me wrong I like what hes brought, just think we could always do better. Attemtping to sign Najeh would be no different than the Pace situation we just went through, minus a few million and 3 rounds later. The contract could be made so that GB couldn't match it, signing bonus, front loaded, etc...

Carr Bombed
03-25-2005, 11:19 AM
We wouldn't be able to sign that kind of contract either. That wouldn't be wise for the cap and we've already spent more than I expected this year on payne and greenwood, plus we still have to sign our draft picks. As far as premier free agents go, I think were done this offseason. Now its off to the draft.

Tailgate
03-25-2005, 11:21 AM
I think the point of all these convos about other RB's is that there are other options out there. DD isn't terrible, but he's no Barry Sanders either. Don't get me wrong I like what hes brought, just think we could always do better. Attemtping to sign Najeh would be no different than the Pace situation we just went through, minus a few million and 3 rounds later. The contract could be made so that GB couldn't match it, signing bonus, front loaded, etc...


Nobody is a Barry Sanders...but I do see what you are trying to say. I just think it would take a pretty darn good running back to dethrone a healthy DD. (BTW.. ALOT of running backs have been getting hurt lately). And I was very happy with the way Wells came along as a back up last year. So I am content with what we have at this point.... and would just rather pursue other interests.

Grid
03-25-2005, 11:22 AM
we are a rush happy team.. and the only RB we have that can be depended on for an entire season, is Jonathen Wells. Thats not good.

DD COULD become our franchise RB.. but it depends on how good our oline gets.. and how much tougher he can get.

I do not think that any FAs available would be an upgrade over DD at this point. I think after LaMont Jordan was signed by the Raiders.. there were no more star RBs available.

However.. DD is not a 100% lock at RB, and Hollings is on his way out the door. That leaves just DD and Wells.. and we could use another RB to compete for the starting job or provide depth. So if we cant get Benson at #13, Shelton looks good to me in the 3rd if he is there.

Bellthebest
03-25-2005, 11:24 AM
Seems that Ruben has been given the "OK" to seek a trade. As we are in need of a "Pounder" typ back, is this someone we should be interested in to pair with DD? He ran for something like 1,200 yards last year.

TAKE HIM PLEASE!!!! Alll he wants is a starting job and hes not gunna get it with tatum bell here!!!!!!

Tailgate
03-25-2005, 11:27 AM
TAKE HIM PLEASE!!!! Alll he wants is a starting job and hes not gunna get it with tatum bell here!!!!!!

Just not going to happen.

Question... why are you so eager to get rid of him? Is he a distraction to Bell, etc? Or do you already have a great back up? Better than our Wells?

Because... I think Droughns would only be a back up here to DD as well....and that basically puts us in the same spot as you are now with him. Just rationalizing.

PapaL
03-25-2005, 11:36 AM
How couldn't we sign him to a front loaded contract, i.e. pay more upfront and min. sal. after that, but could pull $52+M for Pace? Not saying both players are on the same level or anything, but seems like money is coming up. Someone mentioned Shelton in the 3rd round, why not Najeh in the 4th? Granted salary wouldn't be what you pay a 4th round pick, but then again Shelton in the 3rd could turn into Ron Dayne. IMO its a good risk.

vtech9
03-25-2005, 11:37 AM
TAKE HIM PLEASE!!!! Alll he wants is a starting job and hes not gunna get it with tatum bell here!!!!!!
Ruben would only be a back-up here. He is in the same mold as Wells, but IMHO, he is a big upgrade on Wells. I like the way Ruben finishes his runs and overall runs with desire. I'm not as high on Najeh as the rest of you seem to be. I think Rubens ability and desire to break tackles makes him a better option in our offense. If we had a better Oline that would give the RB good holes to run through Najeh would probably be a better option. But that's just my opinion. Also, IMHO, we won't got after either one.

PapaL
03-25-2005, 11:39 AM
Your probably right vtech9, we won't go after either one.

Dunta_23
03-25-2005, 11:48 AM
All I know is Najeh used to be on the sprint team @ Miami, and he is 250 lbs...I think that could break a few tackles and if you have seen him play in Green Bay you know he is WELL worth a 4th round pick...but then again nobody has signed him so what do I know??

Porky
03-25-2005, 01:14 PM
I wouldn't want Davenport on my team at any price. Any guy that would hide in a girl's closet all night, and take a dump while staring at her sleeping is not my idea of a stable or high charcter individual. :thumbdown

Bellthebest
03-25-2005, 01:19 PM
no... i just want trade value and i dont want him complaining the whole time!!!

Carr Bombed
03-25-2005, 01:32 PM
I wouldn't want Davenport on my team at any price. Any guy that would hide in a girl's closet all night, and take a dump while staring at her sleeping is not my idea of a stable or high charcter individual. :thumbdown

What! I haven't heard of this, is this true. When did this happen?!

PapaL
03-25-2005, 01:49 PM
As reported by the Miami Herald

Miami Herald (http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/sports/3625604.htm)

Don't what happened following that incident.

As reported by SI

SI (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2002/10/29/packers_davenport_ap/)

Meloy
03-25-2005, 02:04 PM
I feel the same way. The OL and DL are way bigger needs at this moment. DD is the starter so if we are going to bring someone in to compliment him or challenge him its going to be a back aquired through the draft, probably with one of our 3rd round picks. People forget this is the deepest draft in recent memory for rbs.

I am a DD fan, but I do like the idea of someone splitting the load. I like Wells, but not sure how he ended 04 will indicate his 2005. If DJ & Spears are gone @ 13 & Benson there, I'd like him. I can see Davis' productivity even better with diminished (not 3rd down only) role. I think we will see a selection at 3rd or 4th round. :thumbup

texan279
03-25-2005, 04:10 PM
Why do people keep insisting that we need a RB? Why in the world would we trade for that position when we have much bigger needs every where else?

Probably the same reason a lot of people think we should draft a WR with the 13th pick...

TexansNeedRBin05
03-25-2005, 04:20 PM
The packers would defintely match any offer we would be willing to spend on that position at this time. Its not like were in dire need right now.

WE ARE IN DIRE NEED! Davenport would be great! Cheap and he would be a real good back for us for years to come!

ThaShark316
03-25-2005, 04:27 PM
we are a rush happy team.. and the only RB we have that can be depended on for an entire season, is Jonathen Wells. Thats not good.

DD COULD become our franchise RB.. but it depends on how good our oline gets.. and how much tougher he can get.

I do not think that any FAs available would be an upgrade over DD at this point. I think after LaMont Jordan was signed by the Raiders.. there were no more star RBs available.

However.. DD is not a 100% lock at RB, and Hollings is on his way out the door. That leaves just DD and Wells.. and we could use another RB to compete for the starting job or provide depth. So if we cant get Benson at #13, Shelton looks good to me in the 3rd if he is there.



I was with you G, til you said Jordan was a star.... :thumbdown


WE ARE IN DIRE NEED! Davenport would be great! Cheap and he would be a real good back for us for years to come!


LMAO @ we are in dire need...*will not feed the troll*

Carr Bombed
03-25-2005, 04:28 PM
I don't care how great davenport would be I don't care if he is the second comming of jim brown, if he did what is reported, I don't want him anywhere near my team. It takes some serious mental problems to do something like that.

TexansNeedRBin05
03-25-2005, 06:38 PM
First of yall very offended being called a troll!

I don't care how great davenport would be I don't care if he is the second comming of jim brown, if he did what is reported, I don't want him anywhere near my team. It takes some serious mental problems to do something like that.

Now is 100% sure thing he did it? Jw maybe its just a rumor....?

TexansNeedRBin05
03-25-2005, 10:57 PM
Just not going to happen.

Question... why are you so eager to get rid of him? Is he a distraction to Bell, etc? Or do you already have a great back up? Better than our Wells?

Because... I think Droughns would only be a back up here to DD as well....and that basically puts us in the same spot as you are now with him. Just rationalizing.

DONT MAKE ME LAUGH DROUGHNS WOULD PUT DAVIS SO FAR BACK ON THE BENCH IT WOULDNT EVEN BE FUNNY!
:woot

Ruben Droughns if you listening COME TO HOUSTON!

Texans32
03-25-2005, 11:04 PM
DONT MAKE ME LAUGH DROUGHNS WOULD PUT DAVIS SO FAR BACK ON THE BENCH IT WOULDNT EVEN BE FUNNY!
:woot

Ruben Droughns if you listening COME TO HOUSTON!
DD is in the top 15 maybe top 10 RBs in the league, i think you're WAY OFF BASE in your thinking, now maybe if u said droughns for FB instead of norris maybe i could see it, but no way in heck is he better than DD

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 11:10 PM
Why is anyone even debating this? Droughns is a 100% product-of-a-system back...Put him behind our O-Line and he's struggling for 3 YPC...Even behind Denver's line he only got 4.5 YPC...This guy absolutely reaks of Olandis Gary...

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 11:13 PM
DD is in the top 15 maybe top 10 RBs in the league, i think you're WAY OFF BASE in your thinking, now maybe if u said droughns for FB instead of norris maybe i could see it, but no way in heck is he better than DD

Truthfully, DD is in the top 20 starting RBs, nothing more...Droughns at FB for us is a terrible idea...We don't use a running FB, that's why Jarrod Baxter only sees the field if Norris is injured...Moran is a good blocking FB, and that's all we need...

TexansTrueFan
03-26-2005, 12:16 AM
ur crazy to thing Droughns is a better starting RB than D.D. I mean yeah he played for denver, but how many RBs have played there and not been successful ? A RB is only as good as his O-Line, i think we saw that with Portis when he went to Washington this year, look at the drop in his production from when he was in Denver to where he is now !

outofhnd
03-26-2005, 03:22 AM
News from Dallas is Eric Shelton had a private workout with the cowboys the other Day.

So That tells me Parcells is goin back to his old 1 power back 1 flashy running back offense. So I Think the Cowboys are probably goin to take him before the 3rd round.

Carr Bombed
03-26-2005, 10:28 AM
First of yall very offended being called a troll!



Now is 100% sure thing he did it? Jw maybe its just a rumor....?

you can read can't you? do you know what "if" means. Thats why I said "IF" he did it. Second we don't need him anyways, there are plenty of backs in the draft that are cheaper and younger. There is no way we're just going to get him for a 4th round pick, don't you think if thats all he would cost somebody would of pick him up already. he is going to cost money, money that we don't have to spend on that position. The Oline that he has run behind in GB has been much better than ours, whos to say he would put up the same numbers. Yes DD has had injury problems and had a up and down year, but he is talented and most players have setbacks in their 2nd year. I think we should draft someone in the later rounds who could push him in camp and take about 10 carries a game to lessen the load on DD. Signing Davenport would be a total knee jerk reaction. This isn't a game of madden that you can just turn the cap off and bring in all kinds of FAs and we are not in "dire" need of a rb. He have a small need of a back that can carry the load when needed to, thats it. CC & company will find a back that fits the bill in the draft.

TexansNeedRBin05
03-26-2005, 03:27 PM
you can read can't you? do you know what "if" means. Thats why I said "IF" he did it. Second we don't need him anyways, there are plenty of backs in the draft that are cheaper and younger. There is no way we're just going to get him for a 4th round pick, don't you think if thats all he would cost somebody would of pick him up already. he is going to cost money, money that we don't have to spend on that position. The Oline that he has run behind in GB has been much better than ours, whos to say he would put up the same numbers. Yes DD has had injury problems and had a up and down year, but he is talented and most players have setbacks in their 2nd year. I think we should draft someone in the later rounds who could push him in camp and take about 10 carries a game to lessen the load on DD. Signing Davenport would be a total knee jerk reaction. This isn't a game of madden that you can just turn the cap off and bring in all kinds of FAs and we are not in "dire" need of a rb. He have a small need of a back that can carry the load when needed to, thats it. CC & company will find a back that fits the bill in the draft.

Cant we trade DD? hes terrible we only need 1 back I agree!

Carr Bombed
03-26-2005, 06:34 PM
Cant we trade DD? hes terrible we only need 1 back I agree!

I'm starting to agree with the shark, you must be a troll.

TexansNeedRBin05
03-26-2005, 06:40 PM
I'm starting to agree with the shark, you must be a troll.

I am going to say it one more time and more time only and ill never say another word about it until the Texans get a new back. DD is TERRIBLE!

Carr Bombed
03-26-2005, 07:04 PM
I am soooooooo glad you are not the GM of my team. When elvaluating a player, you have to look at his value against the cap. DD putting up back to back 1000 yard seasons and countless receiving yards has GREAT value considering he was a 4th round pick. Also everybody gives Carr a pass because of the Oline, but not DD. Alot of the time there is penetration in the line when Carr is handing the ball off. We have to fix the problem up front. Also I don't even know why I'm posting with I guy who calls himself

Texansneedarb - was it your only purpose to sign up on this board to blast DD., because if thats the only thing your going to talk about its going to get old fast.

uhcougar08
03-26-2005, 07:10 PM
I am going to say it one more time and more time only and ill never say another word about it until the Texans get a new back. DD is TERRIBLE!

Is this the same guy who had 1776 yards total offense which he had averages of 3.9 yards rushing and 8.6 yards receiving. The man had 14 TD's.

On a team that struggled to block anyone, did you want 2000 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving? I thought our problem was our OL? If you are going to point fingers, make sure you know what you are talking about. Let's do this (sarcasim), lets trade him for R. Droughns and watch him get 3000 yds rushing behind the system they have up there.

Yall are completely blind, there is nothing wrong with our two year experienced running back. Let's work on the OL and see what happens then, but you can't point fingers behind a OL that has David running for his life every play.

By the way did you know we were ranked 12th in rushing last year?

Carr Bombed
03-26-2005, 07:15 PM
Our run blocking is undervalued if anything. Only Kansas City and San Diego had more rushing TD's than the Texans did in the AFC last year.

I think that has more to do with the fact that once we get into the redzone Capers like to punch it in. I've been going over game tape and it seems that in the first half of the year the defense was getting a big push and closing holes fast. However things started to come around towards the end of the season, maybe it was just the transision to the zone, I don't know, it should be more clear this year.

Carr Bombed
03-26-2005, 07:17 PM
Is this the same guy who had 1776 yards total offense which he had averages of 3.9 yards rushing and 8.6 yards receiving. The man had 14 TD's.

On a team that struggled to block anyone, did you want 2000 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving? I thought our problem was our OL? If you are going to point fingers, make sure you know what you are talking about. Let's do this (sarcasim), lets trade him for R. Droughns and watch him get 3000 yds rushing behind the system they have up there.

Yall are completely blind, there is nothing wrong with our two year experienced running back. Let's work on the OL and see what happens then, but you can't point fingers behind a OL that has David running for his life every play.

By the way did you know we were ranked 12th in rushing last year?

I hope you didn't include me in the "yall" discusion

D-ReK
03-26-2005, 07:21 PM
Is this the same guy who had 1776 yards total offense which he had averages of 3.9 yards rushing and 8.6 yards receiving. The man had 14 TD's.

3.9 YPC is nothing special, and most of DDs receptions yards came when AJ was shut down and DD was the only option...He is a good goal line back, though...

On a team that struggled to block anyone, did you want 2000 yds rushing and 1000 yds receiving? I thought our problem was our OL? If you are going to point fingers, make sure you know what you are talking about. Let's do this (sarcasim), lets trade him for R. Droughns and watch him get 3000 yds rushing behind the system they have up there.

Our run blocking isn't as bad as everyone tries to make it out to be...Once the O-Line took to the zone blocking scheme, our backs started performing well...Even Jonathan Wells ran for 100 yds in a game...I'm not so sure that DD made the O-Line look good as the O-Line made DD look good...

Yall are completely blind, there is nothing wrong with our two year experienced running back. Let's work on the OL and see what happens then, but you can't point fingers behind a OL that has David running for his life every play.

Run blocking and pass blocking are two completely different things...Therefore, isn't it possible for a group to be better at one than the other? We have a good run blocking line, but they're terrible at pass blocking...If anything, we need more versatile lineman...

By the way did you know we were ranked 12th in rushing last year?

Did you know that we were 10th in rushing attempts last year? We were 22nd in YPC...I won't put the brunt of the blame on DD, but he deserves some of it...

Carr Bombed
03-26-2005, 07:23 PM
I'm sure Capers will do what works best, so since he chooses to run it in he is doing what we do best when in the red zone. I guess my only point really is, just because we are not a good pass blocking team doesn't automatically make us a poor run blocking team, and that seems to be a broad assumption.

I seriously didn't know that was the broad assumption. I'm just speaking from what I've seen on the game tapes. Since we're in the offseason I've gone back and analized our games. In the first half of the season DD was met in the backfield or at the line I don't know if that was the line our because of hesitation from his unfamilarity with the new blocking sceme

uhcougar08
03-26-2005, 07:26 PM
Carr Bomb,

I was not at all refering to you at all. I may be new here, because I just found this. I know people are entitled to their opionions on here but come on, atleast know what you are talking about. You and Vinny throw out some great post that have facts to back them up. Like DD, if you throw out the right stats, you can't go wrong just improve at a young age.

TexansNeedRBin05
03-26-2005, 07:51 PM
Carr Bomb, Like DD, if you throw out the right stats, you can't go wrong just improve at a young age.

How can a RB improve? its pretty easy run the ball doing it for a # of years just wears you out.

uhcougar08
03-26-2005, 08:07 PM
What are you talking about?

Do you want us to start a rookie every year then?

Please explain yourself more, im confussed?

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 03:33 AM
yeah we have such a great run blocking line that when carr takes his drop to hand the ball off to davis u can almost always gurantee that you'll see a DL that has already blown through our (great) OL, i can remember many times where where carr was lucky to even hand the ball to Davis because a DL was on him and Davis, now tell me i'm lying and i'll tell you your a liar !

Texansbacker
03-27-2005, 11:50 AM
DD needs to stay healthy, that is his only problem. Aside from that he runs hard, is quick, weighs 220# and he has good hands.

Seems logical to me that our offensive line would be better this year simply for the fact that our line as a whole will be in it's second year of a new system. Chester Pitts will be in the second year of his new position. Seth Wand will be in the second year of LT and only his second in the NFL. Todd Wade will be in his second year with the team. McKinney and Wiegert, I like their experience and hope they along with the youngsters/new additions on the offensive line will provide some effective chemistry.

This will be the year the line will come together in training camp or this year in training camp the line will be reconfigured.

Logic is an unexact science but I would hope to see marked improvement this year with our O-line.

ThOrNy
03-27-2005, 11:53 AM
Davenport is the better deal for a pounder type back.

Texansbacker
03-27-2005, 12:18 PM
Davenport is the better deal for a pounder type back.

Davenport defecates in girls dorm room closet clothes hampers. Besides that inexplicable incident, our offensive line is being coached to block like Denver's o-line so the Texans are not really in the market, necessarily, for a pounder type back. I still think they will not waste any additional money on a position they can easily fill in the draft for a lot less risk.

El Tejano
03-27-2005, 05:09 PM
I think this guy is just a one year wonder like Olandis Gary was...Honestly, I'd rather keep Wells or draft a guy like Eric Shelton in the 3rd...
I have been saying that we should draft Shelton since the middle of the college season.

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 05:45 PM
one year wonder ???? hmmmm hasnt he had back to back 1,000 yrd seasons ? and about to have a 3rd.

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 09:03 PM
Cant we trade DD? hes terrible we only need 1 back I agree!


thats like the 3rd time you've wrote the same thing in this thread, do ya ever discuss any other aspects of the texans or is all u know how to talk about is HOW bad or 1,000 yrd for 2 seasons rusher is ?

TexansNeedRBin05
03-27-2005, 09:59 PM
thats like the 3rd time you've wrote the same thing in this thread, do ya ever discuss any other aspects of the texans or is all u know how to talk about is HOW bad or 1,000 yrd for 2 seasons rusher is ?

Oh man all right look Line is not good D is ok great passing game and a bad RB. We have to produce on the ground if we want to take the next step to being a great team if that means getting better O-Linemen fine, were we disagree is everyone on here says "Its the lines fault" Well maybe just maybe its DD fault if he was faster maybe he could hit the hole they create or if he was bigger he could make his own hole! Honestly he isnít a good-looking runner to me you hardly see him run the ball he just gets tackled. Great backs even with a crappy O line make an impressive play even if they donít get yards and I have YET! To see that from him so I am not even going to comment on the RB again but I am going to be telling yallI Told ya in a so few years!
:) until then say whatever you want about me or the Texans running game.

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 10:15 PM
well i can say the texasn had a 12th ranked running game last season, i can say LT and D.D stats from 2004 are VERY simular, ya say even bad backs can make something happen with a bad line ??? Ok well than why was portis so incredible in Denver and NOT so incredible in Washignton,,,,hmmm,,,lets think,,,,,maybe the o-line ? just maybe ! :hmmm:

D-ReK
03-27-2005, 11:58 PM
one year wonder ???? hmmmm hasnt he had back to back 1,000 yrd seasons ? and about to have a 3rd.

I was referring to Droughns, not Davis...

gr8slayer
03-28-2005, 12:21 AM
That guy (like nearly all Denver RB's) is a system RB. Anywhere else he would be any other over weight RB. What is wrong with D.D.? I was under the impression that he was a very good RB>

281
03-29-2005, 04:02 PM
Supposedly he's close to being traded to the Browns for DE Ebenezer Ekuban straight up... check out CBS Sportsline.