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beerlover
03-23-2005, 07:54 PM
who has been most impressive at their Pro Day/Combine-


Mike Williams
Braylon Edwards
Shawne Merriman
Carlos Rogers
Troy Williamson
Thomas Davis
Adam Pac-Man Jones


who had the most impressive College career-


David Pollack
Carnell Williams
Cedric Benson
Braylon Edwards
Antrell Rolle
Derrick Johnson
Carnell Cadillac Williams


who is projected to become the next star in the NFL-as rated by QI Sports NFL Potential Outcome: (Scale: Average, Good, Superstar. Elite Superstar!!!)


Mike Williams NFL Comparison: Plaxico Burress (But more dominating!) NFL Potential Outcome: Elite Superstar!!!

Ronnie Brown NFL Comparison: Patriots: Cory Dillon NFL Potential Outcome: Superstar

Carlos Rogers NFL Comparison: Jets: Donnie Abraham NFL Potential Outcome: Good note: I believe his stock has risen significantly & could very well now be rated Superstar status

Cedric Benson NFL Comparison: Packers: Ahman Green NFL Potential Outcome: Superstar

Carnell Cadillac Williams NFL Comparison: Seahawks: Shaun Alexander NFL Potential Outcome: Superstar

Derrick Johnson NFL Comparison: 49ers: LB Julian Peterson NFL Potential Outcome: Superstar

Braylon Edwards NFL Comparison: Texans: Andre Johnson NFL Potential Outcome: Superstar

Antell Rolle NFL Comparison: Bills: Nate Clements NFL Potential Outcome: Superstar



just bored I guess but would have to rank Braylon #1 followed by Mike Williams #2 (hard to believe playing on back to back National Champions would hurt is cause).

#3 Derrick Johnson, defensive playmaker will need to learn to cover
#4 Antrell Rolle, great career, a lock to have all pro career
#5 Carlos Rogers, (remember last year nobody gave Dunta a chance @ #10)
#6 Ronnie Brown, has the potential to be a great NFL back key word potential
#7 Carnell Williams, great career, mentally tough, pkg of skills
#8 Cedric Benson, may be there for the Texans, durable pounder
#9 Shawne Merriman, is he a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB? maybe both
#10 David Pollack, NFL 3-4 OLB with quickness to cover or pass rush
#11 Pac-Man, needs Glenn's touch to refine his skills to become another DR
#12 Thomas Davis, great run support & can cover could be a match @ ILB
#13 Troy Williamson, Bradfords replacement? blend of speed & raw talent

here is some cool artwork as well- http://www.drafticon.com/draft_icons.html

beerlover
03-23-2005, 08:43 PM
1) 2) Thomas Davis - shore up the secondary, dont rely on Earl to make it to the next level. TD will impact the D immediately.


I must admit this is somewhat an about face for me on Thomas Davis because of the radical changes to our linebackers it seems the Texans are looking for better speed & cover skills which having played safety in a linebacker frame would serve Thomas well with the Texans. a poor mans Derrick Johnson if you will, so I would not be as oppossed as before thinking the Texans would draft him to play safety when Earl Glenn is so promising. also he adds depth to both positons, if needed due to injury he could fill in the Safety spot as well.

Vinny
03-23-2005, 08:56 PM
I've been thinking him and Shazor are linebackers for a while. I think both of them could play inside for us.

wags
03-23-2005, 09:02 PM
I've been thinking him and Shazor are linebackers for a while. I think both of them could play inside for us.

Davis is way more athletic than Shazor. Davis ran around 4.45 in his pro day and Shazor ran around 4.70. I hope TD plays SS for some team. Can you imagine a 230 pound tackling machine coming at you with his speed? :)

Grid
03-23-2005, 09:05 PM
Im worried about Davis.. mostly because ive seen so many reports that he does not have good coverage skills. If we were to pick him I would be skeptical.


But as people have pointed out.. they said AJ didnt run good routes.. and there were some knocks on Dunta too (cant remember them off the top of my head, but he turned out pretty dang good).. so who knows?

wags
03-23-2005, 09:08 PM
Im worried about Davis.. mostly because ive seen so many reports that he does not have good coverage skills. If we were to pick him I would be skeptical.

We already drafted one SS with weak coverage skills. I don't necessarily believe that we will draft TD, but he is no doubt a better football player than Earl.

D-ReK
03-23-2005, 09:29 PM
We already drafted one SS with weak coverage skills. I don't necessarily believe that we will draft TD, but he is no doubt a better football player than Earl.

Just curious, but what's better about Davis? Both are hard-hitters that excel against the run but have below average cover skills...Davis' speed may be a little better, and his size is better, but that's it...

wags
03-23-2005, 10:00 PM
Just curious, but what's better about Davis? Both are hard-hitters that excel against the run but have below average cover skills...Davis' speed may be a little better, and his size is better, but that's it...

Me thinks you did not watch many Georgia games. Davis is one of those guys who is always around the ball. TD is a great blitzer and an amazing tackler. Ask any Georgia fan if they have ever seen him miss a tackle. Ever. If you watched the Wisconsin game you saw his blitz ability. He absolutely blew up Anthony Davis on his way to the sack.

Earl averaged 3.5 tackles a game this year. Is that the kind of production you want? Besides the tackles he made zero plays. Zero.

Why is he better? Bigger, quicker, better tackler, better blitzer, and he actually makes plays.

http://media.scout.com/media/player/21158_thomas-davis-nw-state-2002.jpg

GoBlue
03-23-2005, 10:00 PM
I'm a huge Michigan fan (class of '94) and have watched every game Shazor has played in, including last season. He is a decent player and hard hitter but he lacks in coverage skills and is by no means a playmaker (that's why Marlin Jackson was still playing safety until this year) Taking Shazor before the 3rd round I think would be a BIG mistake (as much as I would love to see more Maize & blue wearing Steel Blue). I still think D-line/OLB is our most pressing need and someone who can play immediately with impact will be there at #13. :thumbup

D-ReK
03-23-2005, 10:11 PM
No, I didn't watch any Dawg games last year, that's why I asked you, someone who has seen him play in numerous games, about him...I appreciate the input though...I have asked this exact question for a while now, and you are the only person who has come up with a viable answer...I doubt we go the route of SS in the 1st, but if he was chosen, I wouldn't complain too loudly...

wags
03-23-2005, 10:14 PM
...I doubt we go the route of SS in the 1st, but if he was chosen, I wouldn't complain too loudly...

I think there is little chance of him being taken also. I still enjoy pimping him though. :)

infantrycak
03-23-2005, 10:22 PM
Wags, I will kind of combine you and Vinny on this--if the Texans want to draft him to replace Foreman then I can start to warm to it--a hard hitter, good in run support, played LB before, weak in coverage as a SS so probably strong as a LB, very athletic LB sounds like something the Texans might be looking towards. If it is in the Bottle mode of replacing Earl, I think it is a bad idea with the #13 pick.

D-ReK
03-23-2005, 10:30 PM
:hmmm: I think Davis at ILB makes sense, but would he be better than other ILBs who wouldn't be as much of a project (Crowder, Thurman, Ruud)? I'll leave that decision to CC, but it makes for fun offseason discussion...

Wolf
03-23-2005, 10:33 PM
just curious here and yes, I don't follow Georgia football.

As far as Davis not being able to be good in coverage. Is this a coachable problem? I.e. footwork, recognition? ....I don't see us drafting him..but pondered this scenario (yes it is crazy) if he did come in and beat whoever out of the starting LB spot... and worked on coverage skills....would he be Colemans replacement and move from LB to safety? or is he just too slow?


and yes I am wondering err maybe bored and looking for info :wacko:

beerlover
03-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Wags, I will kind of combine you and Vinny on this--if the Texans want to draft him to replace Foreman then I can start to warm to it--a hard hitter, good in run support, played LB before, weak in coverage as a SS so probably strong as a LB, very athletic LB sounds like something the Texans might be looking towards. If it is in the Bottle mode of replacing Earl, I think it is a bad idea with the #13 pick.

ILB thats the key, now is he the best player available @ #13 :confused:

obviously I did not include the QB's in the Texans Real Top Prospects so that would drop him down my list to the #13 or #14th spot if they go early, hence if these guys go in this order we would have our choice of Adam Jones CB, Thomas Davis ILB/S & Troy Williamson WR.

Fiddy
03-23-2005, 10:37 PM
http://media.scout.com/media/player/21158_thomas-davis-nw-state-2002.jpgYep, Davis must of laid a couple of people out during that game above cause it was against the power house that is Northwestern State University in Natchitoches


:heh: :jk:

wags
03-23-2005, 10:45 PM
just curious here and yes, I don't follow Georgia football.

Yea, I knew I would come off the wrong way. I have to defend my boy though. :bag:

As far as Davis not being able to be good in coverage. Is this a coachable problem? I.e. footwork, recognition? ....I don't see us drafting him..but pondered this scenario (yes it is crazy) if he did come in and beat whoever out of the starting LB spot... and worked on coverage skills....would he be Colemans replacement and move from LB to safety? or is he just too slow?

No Davis is not too slow. I'm glad he showed it in the pro day, because people were really believing the .com detractors.

The reason people are saying he is weak in coverage is basically because of one play in the Auburn game. Davis come up to stop the run on a sweep and Caddy threw the ball over his head for a touchdown. He bit on the HB pass that week, but the next week he almost intercepted a HB pass. :hmmm: Georgia also switched TD and Greg Blue throughout the game. By this I mean that TD did not line up at SS every play, he sometimes played FS, or down in the box as a third linebacker. Some people got confused on who was blowing coverage Blue or Davis. Thomas Davis is not bad in coverage, he just got burned on a HB pass on the national stage. Probably the only game some people watched.

D-ReK
03-23-2005, 11:47 PM
Just an FYI, but we cut Brown about two weeks ago...I think our depth at safety is decent, but it could be upgraded...The starters are fine, but behind them, there are serious depth questions...Can Lord be a good back-up FS, or will we use dime back Lewis Sanders in this role? Can Ramon Walker come back and play well after a year on IR? Can Simmons follow-up on the best year of his 8 year career? We shall soon know the answers to these questions...

outofhnd
03-24-2005, 04:40 AM
What about Marcus Spears, Or Antraj Hawthorne, where are they on your talent list? We Need DT's Badly. Aside from Robaire I really dont see our D line getting to much push at the point of attack. They are not occupying enough blockers to free up our pass rush LBs to get a shot at the opposing QB.

This is our biggest need and unfortunately not the greatest draft for 3-4 lineman

ColdSteelBlue
03-24-2005, 05:35 AM
Personly I would like to see us trade down and pick up Shazor as a LB. IMHO he is better suited to that than SS in the NFL.

Mr Shush
03-24-2005, 06:22 AM
No drafting for need!

beerlover
03-24-2005, 08:24 AM
What about Marcus Spears, Or Antraj Hawthorne, where are they on your talent list? We Need DT's Badly. Aside from Robaire I really dont see our D line getting to much push at the point of attack. They are not occupying enough blockers to free up our pass rush LBs to get a shot at the opposing QB.

This is our biggest need and unfortunately not the greatest draft for 3-4 lineman

yeah not the greatest draft for 3-4 DT's, these guys will be coming out next year-
Rodrique Wright, 6-5, 320, Texas
Gabe Watson, 6-4, 335, Michigan
LeKevin Smith, 6-2, 310, Nebraska
Orien Harris, 6-4, 300, Miami
Anthony Montgomery, 6-5, 315, Minnesota
Gerald Anderson, 6-2, 315, Georgia
Kwakou Robinson, 6-4, 325, Virginia
*Haloti, Ngata, 6-5, 345, Oregon
initially if you had been paying attention to this board as the underclassman were thinking about delcaring or staying in school I was on the Ngata bandwagon, but he decided to return to school, Payne had successful surgery, resigned & is no longer a free agent.

I think its narrowed down to these 3 or 4 as the most skilled, BPA who fit the Texans system. Troy Williamson WR, Adam Jones CB, Thomas Davis ILB/S, David Pollack OLB (maybe available).

I've seen Carlos Rogers stock soaring, now considered on most internet boards anyway as the #2 rated CB and as high as #7 prospect so I'm not getting my hopes up he will still be there now. Nor expect Cedric Benson, Carnell Williams, Ronnie Brown, Edwards, Williams, Rolle, Merriman & Johnson.

cadahnic
03-24-2005, 08:37 AM
Well I was crushed when some of the guys on your list decided to stay in school, but that is how it works sometimes. I dont like Jones, Davis, or Williamson, and I think Pollack is a stand up guy, but would be the same as Babin so I dont like that. Jones holds all the time, Willamson is Hype, and Davis would be a good ILB but if we try to play him at S he will be a liability (very rigid hips). Rogers will be available and KC would love to get him. I think he is the second best CB with Rolle, Rogers, Miller, Jones being the list of top CBs in the draft.

beerlover
03-24-2005, 09:33 AM
Updated Texans Prospect Draft Board with NFL comp & forecast


Braylon Edwrards, Andre Johnson/superstar
Mike Williams, Plaxico Burress/elite superstar
Ronnie Brown, Corey Dillion/superstar
Derrick Johnson, Julian Peterson/superstar
Carnell Williams, Shaun Alexander/superstar
Antrell Rolle, Nate Clements/superstar
Cedric Benson, Ahman Green/superstar
Shawne Merriman, Jon Abraham/superstar
Alex Barron, Willie Roaf/superstar
Troy Williamson, Javon Walker(not as big)/superstar
Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good
David Pollack, Brad Scioli (with more talent)/good
Adam pac-man Jones, Philip Buchanon/superstar
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good*


nfl comp & rating provided by Q.I. Sports
* nfl comp & rating provided by beerlover

cadahnic
03-24-2005, 10:07 AM
I think Shaun Alexander and Ahman green should switch because the more tape you watch the more Carnell williams reminds you of Ahman and shaun is a pure rusher like cedrick. Plaxico is not an elite superstar by the way and Carlos Rogers is the most like D-Rob. Troy Williamson is more like Donte Stallworth than Javon Walker

beerlover
03-24-2005, 10:09 AM
I think Shaun Alexander and Ahman green should switch because the more tape you watch the more Carnell williams reminds you of Ahman and shaun is a pure rusher like cedrick. Plaxico is not an elite superstar by the way and Carlos Rogers is the most like D-Rob. Troy Williamson is more like Donte Stallworth than Javon Walker

talk to QI-
talk to me about Davis/Darius :)

cadahnic
03-24-2005, 10:12 AM
What do you mean about Davis/Darius?

D-ReK
03-24-2005, 10:13 AM
Carlos Rogers is the most like D-Rob.

I'd actually compare Pac-Man to D-Rob, but maybe that's just me...I could see us taking a young DE to rotate in this year and then taking a NT next year, becuase the depth at the position will be great...

beerlover
03-24-2005, 11:17 AM
What do you mean about Davis/Darius?

I used Q.I Sports for the comparisons & ratings, here is the link- http://qisports.com/nfldraft.html

there was not a link for Thomas Davis so I had to create my own. so I compared him to Donavin Darius, Jaguars Safety. they are both physical, the same size 6-1 225 lbs, and similar speed both 4.6 at the combine. heres where they begin to differ, Thomas is already close to 230 lbs when Darius came into the NFL he was 205 lbs and while both ran 4.6-4.65 at their respective combines, just this week Thomas Davis was timed at Georgia Pro Day sub 4.5 for the 40. so Darius is a good NFL comp now, coming out of College Thomas is the superior talent.

also since Thomas is projected to play the linebacker position in the NFL, here is a NFL comp (once again my own) for ILB. Jonathan, Vilma 6-1 230 lbs. defensive rookie of the year (2004). Vilma was the #12 selection in last years draft out of Miami. I think this verstility really favors Thomas this year @ #13 if the Texans project him as their future ILB next to Greenwood.

TexansTrueFan
03-24-2005, 11:37 AM
hmmm i thought we all thought G. Earl played good. I mean it did seem when he took over the spot for E. Brown that our defense really improved. And hey we won our first game when he went in for E. Brown in Kansas City ! Earl is our SS for the future, and i think the coaches feel the same otherwise i doubt they woulda let Brown go !

beerlover
03-24-2005, 12:06 PM
hmmm i thought we all thought G. Earl played good. I mean it did seem when he took over the spot for E. Brown that our defense really improved. And hey we won our first game when he went in for E. Brown in Kansas City ! Earl is our SS for the future, and i think the coaches feel the same otherwise i doubt they woulda let Brown go !

your missing the point, we're talking about ILB not SS for the Texans. its just that he has played the Safety position @ Georgia & has to be categorized one way or the other. as his College career has come to a close people are projecting him as a linebacker in the NFL, I thought I made that pretty clear and that Glenn Earl is our starting SS and would only be subsituted if on injured reserve :confused:

also the very fact they let Brown go might suggest something is in the works, when you have top caliber players who can back-fill mutliple positions you can afford to upgrade :cool:

TexansTrueFan
03-24-2005, 12:15 PM
your missing the point, we're talking about ILB not SS for the Texans. its just that he has played the Safety position @ Georgia & has to be categorized one way or the other. as his College career has come to a close people are projecting him as a linebacker in the NFL, I thought I made that pretty clear and that Glenn Earl is our starting SS and would only be subsituted if on injured reserve :confused:

also the very fact they let Brown go might suggest something is in the works, when you have top caliber players who can back-fill mutliple positions you can afford to upgrade :cool:


i only said that because i read many posts where people said they were dissapointed how Earl played last season, i wasnt responding dierctly to ur post.

beerlover
03-24-2005, 12:24 PM
ourlads just updated their top 64 prospects here is where they rank them accordingly with my list for the Texans top draft prospects board-

Braylon Edwrards, Andre Johnson/superstar, ourlads #2
Mike Williams, Plaxico Burress/elite superstar, ourlads #4
Ronnie Brown, Corey Dillion/superstar, ourlads #1
Derrick Johnson, Julian Peterson/superstar, our lads #7
Carnell Williams, Shaun Alexander/superstar, our lads #6
Antrell Rolle, Nate Clements/superstar, our lads #3
Cedric Benson, Ahman Green/superstar, our lads #9
Shawne Merriman, Jon Abraham/superstar, ourlads #5
Alex Barron, Willie Roaf/superstar, ourlads #17
Troy Williamson, Javon Walker(not as big)/superstar, ourlads #34
Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
David Pollack, Brad Scioli (with more talent)/good, ourlads #23
Adam pac-man Jones, Philip Buchanon/superstar,our lads #25
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

I'm not interested in sorting by their numbers, I like the list as is but just gives everyone more data to ponder to help come to a logical conclusion, if you subscribe to BPA http://www.ourlads.com/OurladsTop64.html

DChamp
03-24-2005, 12:39 PM
Spears>Pollack

Had a better college career too, just didn't get as much hype. God I can't tell you as an SEC fan how tired I am of hearing about Pollack and his motor. The guy is overrated.

D-ReK
03-24-2005, 12:42 PM
Spears>Pollack

Had a better college career too, just didn't get as much hype. God I can't tell you as an SEC fan how tired I am of hearing about Pollack and his motor. The guy is overrated.

I don't get how you can compare two players who are projected to play different positions in our system...Pollack will probably struggle if a 4-3 team takes him and be great if a 3-4 team takes him...Honestly though, I wouldn't mind having either of them...

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 02:07 PM
I was just browsing NFL.Com's pro day page and saw their report on Georgia's pro day...I don't think that anyone noted that Chris Palmer was there, undoubtedly to take a look at Reggie Brown or Fred Gibson...I also saw Gil Brandt's note on Davis...

Davis (6-0, 227) ran his 40s in 4.43 and 4.44. He had a 9-foot-10 long jump and 12 reps. Scouts worked him at safety and at linebacker, and the consensus is that he will remain at safety in the NFL.

Do you think that the scouts reached this concensus due to him fairing badly in linbacker drills or becuase his 40 time was higher than most people thought it would be?

Blake
03-25-2005, 02:41 PM
Do you think that the scouts reached this concensus due to him fairing badly in linbacker drills or becuase his 40 time was higher than most people thought it would be?

Sounds like a combination of both.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-25-2005, 02:55 PM
If possible, I would rather trade out of the first round for a 2nd round pick (plus maybe a mid to late round pick) and a first rounder in next years draft.

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 02:58 PM
If possible, I would rather trade out of the first round for a 2nd round pick (plus maybe a mid to late round pick) and a first rounder in next years draft.

I like that idea...After about the first 10 picks, the talent in this draft is about even until the mid-2nd, plus next year's draft is shaping up to be a really good one...

Hottoddie
03-25-2005, 05:01 PM
In my opinion, our LB needs could be solved by signing Scott Fujita (OLB) (RFA-5th round pick) to a front loaded contract & drafting Robert McCune (ILB) in the 2nd or 3rd round. That gives us a starting LB crew of Babin, Greenwood, Wong, & Fujita, with our reserves being Peek, McCune, Cheatwood, Polk, Anderson, Orr, & Evans. By the way, how many LB's will we keep on the roster?

With the #13 pick, I'd take in this order:

1) DJ
2) Ronnie Brown
3) Braylon Edwards
4) Cedric Benson
5) Antrel Rolle
6) Mike Williams
7) "Pa-Man" Jones
8) Carlos Rogers
9) Alex Barron
10) Shawne Merriman
11) Troy Williamson
12) Justin Miller

If we assume that Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, & Carnell Williams will be taken in the top 12 picks as well, that means that we should have our choice of at least 3 of those players.

royce1054
03-25-2005, 06:00 PM
With the #13 pick, I'd take in this order:

1) DJ
2) Ronnie Brown
3) Braylon Edwards
4) Cedric Benson
5) Antrel Rolle
6) Mike Williams
7) "Pa-Man" Jones
8) Carlos Rogers
9) Alex Barron
10) Shawne Merriman
11) Troy Williamson
12) Justin Miller

If we assume that Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, & Carnell Williams will be taken in the top 12 picks as well, that means that we should have our choice of at least 3 of those players.

wow is the your 1-12 draft order or how you think texans wish list.

Hottoddie
03-25-2005, 06:55 PM
wow is the your 1-12 draft order or how you think texans wish list.

The Texan's wish list, imo.

royce1054
03-25-2005, 07:01 PM
The Texan's wish list, imo.

ok, I was wondering bc Justin Miller isnt gonna be drafted until the 20's i was like ?????

beerlover
03-25-2005, 08:55 PM
ok, I was wondering bc Justin Miller isnt gonna be drafted until the 20's i was like ?????

I like Justin Miller too...and would NOT be upset if the Texans drafted him @ #13. I don't care what the Mocks say when it comes right down to it each team tests the prospects they are interested in to the ninth degree, if Casserly/Cappers decide he is the man then so be it.

complementing DR either with a quick, speed cover or big, physical cover is the question? a big physical corner oppossite DR like Rogers or speedy cover like Miller (I would be happy either way and trust the Texans staff to make the call)

Justin Miller also led the Nation in kick-off return average and is a threat to take it the length of the field every time he touches the ball. this gives the Texans a valuable commodity in this age of the salary cap. sorry JJ no offense :tiptoe:

beerlover
03-25-2005, 11:19 PM
I feel compelled to expand somewhat from this list of players the Texans must be considering-

Braylon Edwrards, Andre Johnson/superstar, ourlads #2 GONE
Mike Williams, Plaxico Burress/elite superstar, ourlads #4 GONE
Ronnie Brown, Corey Dillion/superstar, ourlads #1 GONE
Derrick Johnson, Julian Peterson/superstar, our lads #7 GONE
Carnell Williams, Shaun Alexander/superstar, our lads #6 GONE
Antrell Rolle, Nate Clements/superstar, our lads #3 GONE
Cedric Benson, Ahman Green/superstar, our lads #9 GONE
Shawne Merriman, Jon Abraham/superstar, ourlads #5 GONE

now from these players most likely will come the Texans 1st pick in the 2005 draft. most internet pro's say the Texans will take Barron, most Texans insiders say no way will the Texans go that route. that WR or CB will be selected, which eliminates Pollack.

Alex Barron, Willie Roaf/superstar, ourlads #17
Troy Williamson, Javon Walker(not as big)/superstar, ourlads #34
Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
David Pollack, Brad Scioli (with more talent)/good, ourlads #23
Adam pac-man Jones, Philip Buchanon/superstar,our lads #25
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

this leaves these as the top prospects left on the Texans board-

Troy Williamson, Javon Walker(not as big)/superstar, ourlads #34
Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
Adam pac-man Jones, Philip Buchanon/superstar,our lads #25
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

this is my opinion but the top prospects among this group are Rogers & Davis.

Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

Rogers still needs to be developed as a CB but what better situation for him than with the Texans. he has both the size & speed NFL teams covet & is a punishing tackler in run support & terror in blitz packages. with Dunta in place & Glenn to teach this sets up both corners long term in what has fast become one of the most expensive and difficult positions to address.

Davis would be projected to change positions & play ILB, although he could play some Safety and at least take ownership as a back-up. he would bring some fear & intimidation into the secondary & is a force in run support. he is very similar in size to Derrick Johnson & speed plus he has experience in coverage.

bottom line both would be projects to a degree but thats what is available @ #13 and if the Texans make the investment & feel positive then I feel positive the returns will be worth it.

royce1054
03-26-2005, 12:04 AM
now from these players most likely will come the Texans 1st pick in the 2005 draft. most internet pro's say the Texans will take Barron, most Texans insiders say no way will the Texans go that route. that WR or CB will be selected, which eliminates Pollack.

Alex Barron, Willie Roaf/superstar, ourlads #17
Troy Williamson, Javon Walker(not as big)/superstar, ourlads #34
Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
David Pollack, Brad Scioli (with more talent)/good, ourlads #23
Adam pac-man Jones, Philip Buchanon/superstar,our lads #25
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

this leaves these as the top prospects left on the Texans board-

Troy Williamson, Javon Walker(not as big)/superstar, ourlads #34
Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
Adam pac-man Jones, Philip Buchanon/superstar,our lads #25
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

this is my opinion but the top prospects among this group are Rogers & Davis.

Carlos Rogers, Donnie Abraham/good, ourlads #8
Thomas Davis, Donavon Darius/good, ourlads #15

Rogers still needs to be developed as a CB but what better situation for him than with the Texans. he has both the size & speed NFL teams covet & is a punishing tackler in run support & terror in blitz packages. with Dunta in place & Glenn to teach this sets up both corners long term in what has fast become one of the most expensive and difficult positions to address.

Davis would be projected to change positions & play ILB, although he could play some Safety and at least take ownership as a back-up. he would bring some fear & intimidation into the secondary & is a force in run support. he is very similar in size to Derrick Johnson & speed plus he has experience in coverage.


Benson stock has fallen considerably... He might be there esp if Travis Henry deal would actually go through.

Davis helped out his stock by running that 4.45 40 wasnt it some body help me out there . I remember he ran a good time and it suspouse to raise his stock drastically. If he bulks up.... he could be an excellent OLB.

On my board i have the titans taking Pac man so if he is there it will be a surprise be Titans and Washington both want CB.

Rodgers i have him going to Cheifs their D sucks.

The reason i think Williamson is BPA is because he can step in and be an every down player. He has the speed to stretch the field.

There is 1 more scenario we can do....
We could go Davis (move to OLB), or go Channing Crowder (keep wong on the outsdie then trade up using shaper and a #2 and get Clayton or White or Gibson at the end of the 1st round.

beerlover
03-26-2005, 08:11 AM
Benson stock has fallen considerably... He might be there esp if Travis Henry deal would actually go through.

Davis helped out his stock by running that 4.45 40 wasnt it some body help me out there . I remember he ran a good time and it suspouse to raise his stock drastically. If he bulks up.... he could be an excellent OLB.

On my board i have the titans taking Pac man so if he is there it will be a surprise be Titans and Washington both want CB.

Rodgers i have him going to Cheifs their D sucks.

The reason i think Williamson is BPA is because he can step in and be an every down player. He has the speed to stretch the field.

There is 1 more scenario we can do....
We could go Davis (move to OLB), or go Channing Crowder (keep wong on the outsdie then trade up using shaper and a #2 and get Clayton or White or Gibson at the end of the 1st round.

Benson stock should be unaffected by his ProDay given the body of his work and what he brings to the table, if he falls to #13 the Texans would have to take a hard look at him.

The Titans have lots of needs to be filled, one is protecting McNair, another is replacing offensive weapons at WR while yet another is LB if DJ is available.

I could see Adam Jones becoming a Chief, your probably right about Washington taking a CB but I believe if they do its going to be Rogers.

I would be OK with Williamson, however I'd like to see current Texans WR's step up like Armstrong, Gaffney & Starling and draft a big fast WR in rd 2.

Crowder has bad knees, and I've heard not a good teamate or person his stock has been falling.

D-ReK
03-26-2005, 08:31 AM
Benson stock should be unaffected by his ProDay given the body of his work and what he brings to the table, if he falls to #13 the Texans would have to take a hard look at him.

The Titans have lots of needs to be filled, one is protecting McNair, another is replacing offensive weapons at WR while yet another is LB if DJ is available.

I could see Adam Jones becoming a Chief, your probably right about Washington taking a CB but I believe if they do its going to be Rogers.

I would be OK with Williamson, however I'd like to see current Texans WR's step up like Armstrong, Gaffney & Starling and draft a big fast WR in rd 2.

Crowder has bad knees, and I've heard not a good teamate or person his stock has been falling.

Benson will still likely be a top 10 pick...His workout may have been bad compared to Ronnie Brown's and Cadillac's, but did anyone expect Ced to run a 4.4?

The Titans have too many needs and they would be wise to trade with a team like Dallas or San Diego...If they stay put, they'll probably take DJ is he's available and worry about CB and WR, both deep positions, later on in the draft...

Supposedly Pac-Man is the top rated CB in this draft...I don't see it, but I've seen a few reports saying so...I doubt he slips to 15...

I look at taking Williamson as a last-ditch kinda thing where if nobody falls to us, we have to settle with Williamson...

Crowder, from all accounts I've seen, has slid into at least the 2nd round, possibly the 3rd, if you put stock into Mel Kiper's opinions...

Wolf
03-26-2005, 11:45 AM
I think this draft is the most important draft that we have ever had. If we draft like we have the last 3 years with our first rounders making impacts. we should be knocking on playoffs door. If we draft and he is a bust, I see us about the same, because of the defense will be getting older faster with our 30's players now starting to get into mid-30's. We need a solid draft on the defensive side this season... Yes WR is a concern,but I don't see it as a priority. at 13 unless a guy is a game changer.. i'd rather us slide down and gain a couple of picks for this season or next being after the "elite" group is drafted, the talent level is fairly equal through the next 30ish players(according to scouting reports)

royce1054
03-26-2005, 07:03 PM
Benson will still likely be a top 10 pick...His workout may have been bad compared to Ronnie Brown's and Cadillac's, but did anyone expect Ced to run a 4.4?




Word i am hearing is that Miami (obcourse unless a trade happens)
would take Brown
Then Tampa would take williams
Then i thought Benson would be a good fit here but i am hereing the opposite. That they might go Antrel Rolle. This will be up to Dennis Green though. I am not up on my Cardinals draft. Their is a possibility that 1 of the 3 wont be drafted in top 10

Grid
03-26-2005, 08:59 PM
I honestly dont see Benson falling... I would LOVE to see him fall.. but if he is available anywhere between the 6th-12th pick.. im sure that SOMEONE will trade up and grab him.

the Titans are supposedly high on Mike Williams. if he falls to them i wouldnt be at all surprised if they took him... their WRs have been leaving left and right.. they could use some more talent there.. especially since their new QB (the guy behind McNair..cant remember his name.. Volek?) is a pretty good pocket QB.

royce1054
03-26-2005, 09:13 PM
I honestly dont see Benson falling... I would LOVE to see him fall.. but if he is available anywhere between the 6th-12th pick.. im sure that SOMEONE will trade up and grab him.

the Titans are supposedly high on Mike Williams. if he falls to them i wouldnt be at all surprised if they took him... their WRs have been leaving left and right.. they could use some more talent there.. especially since their new QB (the guy behind McNair..cant remember his name.. Volek?) is a pretty good pocket QB.

The titans pick depends on Derrick Johnson. They wont pass on him. Their #2 man is Pac-man Jones.

if no trades
1 49ers Aaron Rodgers
2 Dolphins Ronnie Brown
3 Browns Shawne Merriman
4 Bears Braylon Edwards
5 Buccs Cadillac Williams
6 titans Derrick johnson.

if browns select Merriman then i think titans will take Johnson
if browns select Johnson i think the titans will go Pac- man
7 Viks will go Mike Williams
8 Cardinals depends on Travis henry deal
if trade happens its Antrel Rolle
if not its Chris Benson

THIS IS OBCOURSE NO TRADES INVOLOVED!!!

D-ReK
03-26-2005, 09:28 PM
Then i thought Benson would be a good fit here but i am hereing the opposite. That they might go Antrel Rolle. This will be up to Dennis Green though. I am not up on my Cardinals draft. Their is a possibility that 1 of the 3 wont be drafted in top 10

Denny Green runs a West-Coast Offense which requires a quick, shifty back that's able to catch the ball...Benson certainly doesn't fit the bill...Chances are they'll take either Pac-Man or Antrel if Caddy doesn't slip...

Grid
03-26-2005, 09:29 PM
I dont know how you can say, without hesitation, that the Titans will take Johnson, the Pac-Man.. before they take Williams..

but whatever.. we will see on Draft day

D-ReK
03-26-2005, 09:32 PM
I dont know how you can say, without hesitation, that the Titans will take Johnson, the Pac-Man.. before they take Williams..

but whatever.. we will see on Draft day

If all three were available, I would think their top 3 would be DJ, Williams, then Pac-Man, but that's just my opinion...This draft is a lot deeper at WR and CB than it is at LB, so chances are good that they could still get a good player at WR and CB later on in the draft...

Grid
03-26-2005, 09:47 PM
well you also gotta consider that there is a very good chance of a good ILB available to them in the second as well.. if they really want one. DJ may be hard to pass up, but who do they have at WR now? they need a good WR and, im not very well versed in college football, but I havent heard of anyone of Edwards/Williams level that will be out next year.

DJ is obviously a GREAT pick.. but is he really just head and shoulders above the other top prospects in the class? Edwards, Williams, Brown, Cadillac, Benson, Rogers, Smith... many of these I would value as high as DJ. DJ just happens to be the highest rated defensive player on the board. The Titans need help on both sides of the ball though, so they are more likely to draft for value.. I just think that Williams could be valued almost as high, if not just as high, as DJ.. and would fill a need better for them IMO.

I dont think Pac-Man is anywhere in the same league as DJ and Williams.. and would not be surprised to see him taken in the mid teens, or low 20s. he is a project with tons of upside.. but he is still a project. I think people like to get immediate impact players with a top 10 pick.. and the Titans DEFINATLY need immediate impact players.

royce1054
03-26-2005, 10:12 PM
Denny Green runs a West-Coast Offense which requires a quick, shifty back that's able to catch the ball...Benson certainly doesn't fit the bill...Chances are they'll take either Pac-Man or Antrel if Caddy doesn't slip...

thats what i am hearing... Rolle to cardinals..

Mr Shush
03-30-2005, 01:04 PM
Backs do have a tendency to slip - just look at Jackson last year. Benson being available at 13 doesn't strike me as too implausible. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's a possibility.