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MojoMan
09-29-2010, 04:54 PM
Coach Kubiak said at the end of last season that he thought Barber might be poised to lock down the starting job at FS for the long-term. Well, now he is going to have a chance to show if he is ready to do that.

Barber replaces Wilson at safety for Texans (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7223762.html)

Dominique Barber will start at free safety for the Texans against the Raiders on Sunday.

Barber is replacing Eugene Wilson, who suffered a hamstring injury in the 27-13 loss to Dallas.

Barber, who is in his third season out of the University of Minnesota, can play both safety positions.

Also on the injury front, wide receiver Andre Johnson says he plans to play but that his sprained right ankle is still sore and on a day-to-day status.

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 04:55 PM
Not trying to be a goober but source?

MojoMan
09-29-2010, 04:55 PM
Not trying to be a goober but source?

The link is in the OP. Click on the title of the article in the quote box.

TEXANS84
09-29-2010, 04:55 PM
Not trying to be a goober but source?

Click on the highlighted link.

Hookem Horns
09-29-2010, 04:55 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7223762.html

Ryan
09-29-2010, 04:59 PM
I'm not convinced he'll be any better, but at least Kubiak is putting guys on trial for bad play, so two thumbs up.


I'd rather see Nolan get a shot, but we'll wait and see.

drewmar74
09-29-2010, 05:00 PM
Okay....

It's a start. I just remember the Barber experiment last year didn't go that well.

Maybe another year in the system will have helped? Heck, if nothing else, he has two good wheels. That's an instant improvement.

Did he see time against the Cowboys after Wilson tweaked the hammy? If so, how did he look?

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 05:02 PM
The link is in the OP. Click on the title of the article in the quote box.

Click on the highlighted link.

Lol just noticed this a second after I posted

BIG TORO
09-29-2010, 05:02 PM
Well ask and you shall recieve; I guess Kubiak was on Texans Talk today.

Rey
09-29-2010, 05:03 PM
I'd rather see Nolan in there.

I understand that the Texans want to "go about things the right way" and all, but at some point you just gotta say screw it and put the guys on the field that have shown they can make plays...

That goes for anyone...I don't care what your name is or where you were drafted...

Hopefully Barber surprises me. I think he is a good player, but I just think Nolan is better. Nolan seems to be more instinctive and the better athlete...

b0ng
09-29-2010, 05:06 PM
As bad as Eugene Wilson has been, I don't even know if Barber is as good as that. I have a bad feeling our secondary problems aren't going to go away if we don't have a monster pass rush.

Texan_Bill
09-29-2010, 05:08 PM
Not trying to be a goober but source?

The link is in the OP. Click on the title of the article in the quote box.


:facepalm: Goober!


Anywho, Wilson's seen his better days.

mariowillshine15
09-29-2010, 05:09 PM
I do remember Barber being able to take back a INT in the opener vs. the Jets last year.

If he can hang on the to the few INT chances we have it's an upgrade.

MojoMan
09-29-2010, 05:10 PM
Coach Kubiak expressed a great deal of confidence in Barber shortly after the end of last season in a press conference. He suggested that Barber might be poised to establish himself as the long-term answer at free safety for the Texans.

Of course, this is just a week-to-week opportunity for Barber. But my point is that Kubiak apparently believes that Barber may well have what it takes to be a starting free safety in the NFL.

Now he will have a chance to prove it, one way or the other.

drewmar74
09-29-2010, 05:14 PM
Coach Kubiak expressed a great deal of confidence in Barber shortly after the end of last season in a press conference. He suggested that Barber might be poised to establish himself as the long-term answer at free safety for the Texans.

Of course, this is just a week-to-week opportunity for Barber. But my point is that Kubiak apparently believes that Barber may well have what it takes to be a starting free safety in the NFL.

Now he will have a chance to prove it, one way or the other.

I'm down with trying anything at this point but wouldn't it be great if he was the FS answer? I'm not sold on it because of last year, but hey, I can always be wrong.

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 05:17 PM
I'd rather see Nolan in there.

I understand that the Texans want to "go about things the right way" and all, but at some point you just gotta say screw it and put the guys on the field that have shown they can make plays...

That goes for anyone...I don't care what your name is or where you were drafted...

Hopefully Barber surprises me. I think he is a good player, but I just think Nolan is better. Nolan seems to be more instinctive and the better athlete...

I think it might be too soon to make those kind of judgements of Nolan. I also think they prefer to use him closer to the line of scrimmage rather than asking him to cover deep 1/3s and 1/2s. Its just easier on a young player.

Barber struggled mightily at the beginning of last year and thankfully was benched. He was better when he replaced Wilson later in the year but still shaky. I don't think he's good enough to be a starter on a great defense but this defense isn't that right now anyways.

For me, with this latest development, I'm a little upset with Rick Smith. I remember after the draft him saying he felt really good about our safety position. Yes Wilson was a good solution to Barber's bad play last year, but good enough to be the annointed FS heading into camp? I think Rick's a good GM and a good GM should've seen around this corner. We're now playing with smoke and mirrors at free safety. And don't get me started on the defensive end position after Mario and Antonio.

Austrian
09-29-2010, 05:25 PM
I do remember Barber being able to take back a INT in the opener vs. the Jets last year.

If he can hang on the to the few INT chances we have it's an upgrade.

Busing made that Int but he fumbled. Dominique took that fumble to the house. He made an Int vs. the Rams when he intercepted an awful throw by Keith Null.

Rey
09-29-2010, 05:27 PM
I think it might be too soon to make those kind of judgements of Nolan.

I didn't make any judgment about Nolan other than stating that I thought he was better than Barber. I did say that he has shown he can make plays...That's not a judgment, that's a fact...



I also think they prefer to use him closer to the line of scrimmage rather than asking him to cover deep 1/3s and 1/2s. Its just easier on a young player


I don't. Makes no sense to constantly play your FS close to the LOS in passing situations. What makes you think they prefer to do that when there is no evidence of that?

badboy
09-29-2010, 05:27 PM
If I remember correctly Dominique Barber was raved on by the coaches as a 6th round pick we got in the trade down for Duane Brown also getting Slaton. Barber was to be the prototype swing safety to be used either side. He should really try to make good use of this last chance. Hopefully, he is 100% healthy.

NitroGSXR
09-29-2010, 05:29 PM
Coach Kubiak expressed a great deal of confidence in Barber shortly after the end of last season in a press conference. He suggested that Barber might be poised to establish himself as the long-term answer at free safety for the Texans.

Of course, this is just a week-to-week opportunity for Barber. But my point is that Kubiak apparently believes that Barber may well have what it takes to be a starting free safety in the NFL.

Now he will have a chance to prove it, one way or the other.

It's not like he has much of a choice but to believe.

MojoMan
09-29-2010, 05:34 PM
It's not like he has much of a choice but to believe.

Sure he does. He does not have to go out in a press conference at the end of a season and tap some guy as a potential long-term starter at a position. But he did do that with Barber. Once again, it is clear that Kubiak is not making any commitment to a long term starter's role for Barber based on the decision to start him against Oakland. But if Barber plays well, maybe he will hold onto the job. We will see.

fiasco west
09-29-2010, 05:45 PM
Can't be much worse than Wilson can he?

Seems like a weekly thing that Wilson drops a INT he puts two hands on, if Barber can catch those he'll already be making a huge difference.

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 05:53 PM
I didn't make any judgment about Nolan other than stating that I thought he was better than Barber. I did say that he has shown he can make plays...That's not a judgment, that's a fact...




I don't. Makes no sense to constantly play your FS close to the LOS in passing situations. What makes you think they prefer to do that when there is no evidence of that?

I think there's some confusion here. What I said or was trying to say is that I think they would prefer to play Nolan closer to the line of scrimmage as a strong safety because thats what he had success doing in preseason. He's a hitter who lacks deep speed. Not to mention he's never played a down of real NFL football. I don't think the staff would be comfortable asking him to cover deep 1/3s and 1/2s right now given those factors.

Ole Miss Texan
09-29-2010, 05:54 PM
Let's hope we see some improvement the rest of the season, and it better start at Oakland.

I'm with a lot of people here that I'd love to see what Troy Nolan brings to the table. I think he's go a ton of potential... I just don't know about starting him at this point. We don't get to see mistakes they make in practice or how he reads game film and makes play calls.

I hope we jump to an early early big lead against the Raiders. I'd love to see Nolan gets some reps with the Defense and I'd like to see Leinart get some snaps as well.

Rey
09-29-2010, 05:59 PM
I think there's some confusion here. What I said or was trying to say is that I think they would prefer to play Nolan closer to the line of scrimmage as a strong safety because thats what he had success doing in preseason. He's a hitter who lacks deep speed. Not to mention he's never played a down of real NFL football. I don't think the staff would be comfortable asking him to cover deep 1/3s and 1/2s right now given those factors.


Nolan played FS in pre-season. I know that he made some plays on intermediate passes, but they did not mainly play him close to the LOS like a SS. He covered deep plenty.

And I've never thought of Nolan as a hitter as opposed to a coverage guy...That is indeed a first...

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 06:07 PM
Nolan played FS in pre-season. I know that he made some plays on intermediate passes, but they did not mainly play him close to the LOS like a SS. He covered deep plenty.

And I've never thought of Nolan as a hitter as opposed to a coverage guy...That is indeed a first...

I'm not saying Nolan can't be a coverage guy eventually just right now the staff probably isn't comfortable relying on him to be our last line of defense against the pass. If he blows an assignment (which young players do frequently) closer to the line of scrimmage you have a chance to not give up the home run. He played deep in preseason yes but clearly wasn't good enough at it or he'd be the guy in right now over Barber.

jaayteetx
09-29-2010, 06:15 PM
All for it, I'm like alot of posters who would rather see Nolan but Barber has to be an upgrade over Wilson here lately.

Rey
09-29-2010, 06:16 PM
I'm not saying Nolan can't be a coverage guy eventually just right now the staff probably isn't comfortable relying on him to be our last line of defense against the pass. If he blows an assignment (which young players do frequently) closer to the line of scrimmage you have a chance to not give up the home run. He played deep in preseason yes but clearly wasn't good enough at it or he'd be the guy in right now over Barber.

I understand what you're saying, but I just disagree.

If they didn't think he was good enough to play the FS position then he wouldn't have made the team. And I think Barber is getting the nod over Nolan simply because he has seniority and Kubiak has pegged him as a guy he likes...that's just how Kubiak rolls...If you go back to my first post that you quoted me on I explained this.

I said:

I understand that the Texans want to "go about things the right way" and all, but at some point you just gotta say screw it and put the guys on the field that have shown they can make plays...

Texans have, in many instances, failed to play a back-up that has shown more flashes of being good than the starter.

IMO, they have mostly gone with the player that has been around longer or the player they specifically pegged as their guy rather than throwing a guy in who has shown flashes of being good.

Even when it was obvious that Slaton would out perform Ahman Green that year, they still went with Green until he got injured. The same thing with Foster last year. Jaques Reeves even started over Quinn until it was apparent he sucked.

My point is that just because the Texans peg a guy as a starter says nothing about the talent of the guy behind them.

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 06:44 PM
I understand what you're saying, but I just disagree.

If they didn't think he was good enough to play the FS position then he wouldn't have made the team. And I think Barber is getting the nod over Nolan simply because he has seniority and Kubiak has pegged him as a guy he likes...that's just how Kubiak rolls...If you go back to my first post that you quoted me on I explained this.

I said:



Texans have, in many instances, failed to play a back-up that has shown more flashes of being good than the starter.

IMO, they have mostly gone with the player that has been around longer or the player they specifically pegged as their guy rather than throwing a guy in who has shown flashes of being good.

Even when it was obvious that Slaton would out perform Ahman Green that year, they still went with Green until he got injured. The same thing with Foster last year. Jaques Reeves even started over Quinn until it was apparent he sucked.

My point is that just because the Texans peg a guy as a starter says nothing about the talent of the guy behind them.

Didn't Duane Brown replace Salaam the second after he signed his contract? Didn't Cushing get thrown into the fire from day 1? Kareem Jackson? Okoye, Demeco, Mario, Winston? The staff plugged all these guys in from day 1, can you address these?

I know you're not gonna like hearing this because fans don't think running backs having to block is important but Green knew the protections, Slaton didn't. Quinn replaced Reeves before even mid-season, a 4th round rookie thrown into the starting lineup. Foster found his way into the starting lineup eventually and actually threw it away for a game when he fumbled in St. Louis.

I think you need to look deeper into each of these cases rather writing off the staff as evil coaches holding back great 2nd and 3rd stringers because they're too dumb to realize what they have.

Rey
09-29-2010, 07:04 PM
Didn't Duane Brown replace Salaam the second after he signed his contract? Didn't Cushing get thrown into the fire from day 1? Kareem Jackson? Okoye, Demeco, Mario, Winston? The staff plugged all these guys in from day 1, can you address these?

What part don't you understand about what I wrote? Serious question, because all of those guys (except the ones you are completely wrong about) would fall under what I said:


IMO, they have mostly gone with the player that has been around longer or the player they specifically pegged as their guy rather than throwing a guy in who has shown flashes of being good.


The guys you are wrong about are in bold. Demeco was not pegged a starter from day one. He eventually earned it by the time the first game came around. Demeco wasn't even a MLB when he initially came to us. They had him playing outside until they found out that he was pretty good in the middle.

Duane Brown was pegged the starter, but ended up splitting time with with Salaam.

And I'm not really sure what you are talking about with Winston. He was not pegged a starter from day one. Not even close.


And the Texans have had a philosophy of starting 1st rounders from day one...AKA these are people who would fall under the category of "their guys"....?????

I think you need to look deeper into each of these cases rather writing off the staff as evil coaches holding back great 2nd and 3rd stringers because they're too dumb to realize what they have.

Nah...I think you need to look a bit deeper...

The Texan have not been an organization that will pull out someone whom they deem reliable in lieu of someone that has shown flashes..Not in the middle of a season....The player has to either royally suck, or get injured...

I'm not really sure how you can even debate that...There are numerous examples all over the place...

I know you're not gonna like hearing this because fans don't think running backs having to block is important but Green knew the protections, Slaton didn't. Quinn replaced Reeves before even mid-season, a 4th round rookie thrown into the starting lineup. Foster found his way into the starting lineup eventually and actually threw it away for a game when he fumbled in St. Louis.


Please spare me on discussing the 'finer points of football'....I am far from a novice when it comes to knowing what happens and what is supposed to happen on a football field. I am very well aware that a RB has to block. Thank you for that info though.

And this little bit you posted kind of proves my point. All of those guys that were on the bench came in and outperformed the starters they replaced. Oass blocking or not, Slaton was a better RB than Ahman Green the year he replaced him..

The vets only loss their spot due to being so bad or getting hurt...Not because the guys behind them had shown that they would potentially be better anyways.

TimeKiller
09-29-2010, 07:06 PM
Figured. This will be Barber's last hurrah if he isn't the answer right away. Whatever you want to say about either Barber or Nolan's game, they are generally in the same spot. Recent late round picks, questions about position, 2nd string, not much experience. Difference is Barber's game time hasn't been all that flattering, even if he was kinda just thrown into a fire. I really wonder when S is going to matter in the draft, even a 2nd or 3rd round guy would be a decent amount of attention but it's like a revolving door of young guys that aren't quite enough or old journeyman guys that...aren't quite enough. Getting Pollard was blind luck.

The Cush
09-29-2010, 07:21 PM
Barber has always struck me as more of a strong safety

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 07:59 PM
What part don't you understand about what I wrote? Serious question, because all of those guys (except the ones you are completely wrong about) would fall under what I said:



The guys you are wrong about are in bold. Demeco was not pegged a starter from day one. He eventually earned it by the time the first game came around. Demeco wasn't even a MLB when he initially came to us. They had him playing outside until they found out that he was pretty good in the middle.

Duane Brown was pegged the starter, but ended up splitting time with with Salaam.

And I'm not really sure what you are talking about with Winston. He was not pegged a starter from day one. Not even close.


And the Texans have had a philosophy of starting 1st rounders from day one...AKA these are people who would fall under the category of "their guys"....?????



Nah...I think you need to look a bit deeper...

The Texan have not been an organization that will pull out someone whom they deem reliable in lieu of someone that has shown flashes..Not in the middle of a season....The player has to either royally suck, or get injured...

I'm not really sure how you can even debate that...There are numerous examples all over the place...



Please spare me on discussing the 'finer points of football'....I am far from a novice when it comes to knowing what happens and what is supposed to happen on a football field. I am very well aware that a RB has to block. Thank you for that info though.

And this little bit you posted kind of proves my point. All of those guys that were on the bench came in and outperformed the starters they replaced. Oass blocking or not, Slaton was a better RB than Ahman Green the year he replaced him..

The vets only loss their spot due to being so bad or getting hurt...Not because the guys behind them had shown that they would potentially be better anyways.

You're right. You know the team better than the staff does. Even though they have umpteenth more resources than you do to support the decisions they make.

I'm not gonna change your mind obviously, all I'll say is the staff makes their decisions with ample research. Just because every decision they make isn't the right one (and no organization in football is perfect) doesn't mean they're going about things the wrong way. They wouldn't be making progress every year like they have if that was the case.

Rey
09-29-2010, 08:00 PM
You're right. You know the team better than the staff does. Even though they have umpteenth more resources than you do to support the decisions they make.

I'm not gonna change your mind obviously, all I'll say is the staff makes their decisions with ample research. Just because every decision they make isn't the right one (and no organization in football is perfect) doesn't mean they're going about things the wrong way. They wouldn't be making progress every year like they have if that was the case.

I hope you got a good stretch with that reach.

Heck I got a good yawn out of reading it...

thunderkyss
09-29-2010, 08:30 PM
Okay....

It's a start. I just remember the Barber experiment last year didn't go that well.

Maybe another year in the system will have helped? Heck, if nothing else, he has two good wheels. That's an instant improvement.

Did he see time against the Cowboys after Wilson tweaked the hammy? If so, how did he look?

It's hard to say how he did when he got into the Cowboy game. By then, the damage was done, & they were on cruise control.

But when Barber was looking bad last year, he was at SS/FS (which with Pollard in the game, he'll play more FS). Everyone on that defense at that time (the first three games) looked bad. They all missed plays & were out of position from time to time. Cushing, Demeco, Antonio, Bullman, Mario.... everyone.

That brain fart leaving CJ unmanned... that was pretty stupid.

He came in at the end of the year, again when Wilson got hurt. He wasn't bad... almost invisible. That's good, in that most likely it meant everyone was doing their job, and people weren't getting to that level. It's bad, because he isn't the play-maker that makes you notice him.

We need play-makers in the secondary. Right now, the only one we have is Pollard. Quin is solid, but not a play-maker. KJ is a rookie. McCain is limited.

We need a play-maker in the secondary.

Hardcore Texan
09-29-2010, 08:31 PM
I'm not convinced he'll be any better, but at least Kubiak is putting guys on trial for bad play, so two thumbs up.


I'd rather see Nolan get a shot, but we'll wait and see.

I'd rather see Nolan in there.

I understand that the Texans want to "go about things the right way" and all, but at some point you just gotta say screw it and put the guys on the field that have shown they can make plays...

That goes for anyone...I don't care what your name is or where you were drafted...

Hopefully Barber surprises me. I think he is a good player, but I just think Nolan is better. Nolan seems to be more instinctive and the better athlete...

Yep.

thunderkyss
09-29-2010, 08:38 PM
I think it might be too soon to make those kind of judgements of Nolan. I also think they prefer to use him closer to the line of scrimmage rather than asking him to cover deep 1/3s and 1/2s. Its just easier on a young player.

Barber struggled mightily at the beginning of last year and thankfully was benched. He was better when he replaced Wilson later in the year but still shaky. I don't think he's good enough to be a starter on a great defense but this defense isn't that right now anyways.

For me, with this latest development, I'm a little upset with Rick Smith. I remember after the draft him saying he felt really good about our safety position. Yes Wilson was a good solution to Barber's bad play last year, but good enough to be the annointed FS heading into camp? I think Rick's a good GM and a good GM should've seen around this corner. We're now playing with smoke and mirrors at free safety. And don't get me started on the defensive end position after Mario and Antonio.

What if the thing with Nolan is his professionalism? Like Jacoby & Arian? I know we believe he is the play-maker we are looking for because of what we've seen in the preseason. & he may be. But if he isn't putting in the time, if he isn't being a pro, maybe he hasn't earned anything yet.

thunderkyss
09-29-2010, 08:43 PM
Hey, did anyone see Barber watch his brother run through the line for that touchdown against us?

There was a huge hole, Barber could have knifed through the hole & attacked Barber in the backfield. At the very least, he could have bought the other guys enough time to finish MBIII off.

But nooooooo... he watched.

Rey
09-29-2010, 08:46 PM
Hey, did anyone see Barber watch his brother run through the line for that touchdown against us?

There was a huge hole, Barber could have knifed through the hole & attacked Barber in the backfield. At the very least, he could have bought the other guys enough time to finish MBIII off.

But nooooooo... he watched.

I cannot figure out why the Texans do certain things...

I would not bring Barber in on goal line packages anyways...

thunderkyss
09-29-2010, 08:47 PM
I'm not saying Nolan can't be a coverage guy eventually just right now the staff probably isn't comfortable relying on him to be our last line of defense against the pass. If he blows an assignment (which young players do frequently) closer to the line of scrimmage you have a chance to not give up the home run. He played deep in preseason yes but clearly wasn't good enough at it or he'd be the guy in right now over Barber.

Or.. maybe Kubiak is "playing it safe" again. He's got KJ out there, don't mind him getting burned. McCain was out there, play after play after play. Eugene Wilson getting burned a few times didn't get him off the field either.


Besides. He rotates the RG. Why rotate the RG, & not the FS?

m5kwatts
09-29-2010, 09:17 PM
What if the thing with Nolan is his professionalism? Like Jacoby & Arian? I know we believe he is the play-maker we are looking for because of what we've seen in the preseason. & he may be. But if he isn't putting in the time, if he isn't being a pro, maybe he hasn't earned anything yet.

Are you trying to say Jacoby & Arian didn't have immaturity issues that needed fixing? Because both of those players would be the first to admit that they did.

Or.. maybe Kubiak is "playing it safe" again. He's got KJ out there, don't mind him getting burned. McCain was out there, play after play after play. Eugene Wilson getting burned a few times didn't get him off the field either.


Besides. He rotates the RG. Why rotate the RG, & not the FS?

So who would you have replaced KJ and McCain with Sunday? Jamar Wall? I don't get your point here. And Wilson is being replaced? What's the gripe here?

And if they thought FS needed to be rotated I'm sure they'd do it.

thunderkyss
09-29-2010, 09:42 PM
Are you trying to say Jacoby & Arian didn't have immaturity issues that needed fixing? Because both of those players would be the first to admit that they did.

Not at all. I'm throwing that out as a legit reason for not throwing Nolan in.

So who would you have replaced KJ and McCain with Sunday? Jamar Wall? I don't get your point here. And Wilson is being replaced? What's the gripe here?

And if they thought FS needed to be rotated I'm sure they'd do it.

I personally feel KJ did as well as expected. He's going to hit a bump every now and then. McCain, I'm glad he got more playing time. There's only one way to learn in this league.

My point, is that Wilson hasn't been much a safety blanket this year.

SteveSlaton20
09-29-2010, 11:25 PM
http://prod.static.texans.clubs.nfl.com/assets/clubimages/downloads/4A06589134A84183B148BD324542A37B.jpg

dammit, i want him.

beerlover
09-30-2010, 12:00 AM
Barber = Nolan > Wilson

Wolf6151
09-30-2010, 12:03 AM
Barber is a bad backup SS what makes Kubiak think he can be a starter at FS. Nolan should be the pick, this is another bad decision by Kubiak.

TheMatrix31
09-30-2010, 05:11 AM
As long as Barber can hold onto potential interceptions, I don't mind.

Maddict5
09-30-2010, 08:31 AM
ive been a huge nolan supporter since we drafted him but im excited to see barber too. he played v well with pollard at the end of last yr-specifically the fins game iirc. plus hes obviously still doing well to get a chance before nolan who kubiak seems to like too

HTown2ATX
09-30-2010, 09:29 AM
Does anyone know why the heck Kubes refuses to start Nolan????

Barber is better at least I hope....

Note to Barber on how to keep your role after this week...if an easy ass pick 6 comes your way CATCH THE EFFING BALL!! :facepalm:

GP
09-30-2010, 11:46 AM
Hey, did anyone see Barber watch his brother run through the line for that touchdown against us?

There was a huge hole, Barber could have knifed through the hole & attacked Barber in the backfield. At the very least, he could have bought the other guys enough time to finish MBIII off.

But nooooooo... he watched.

That might be one of THE most infuriating things ever.

You are stone cold serious that you saw that? For real?

Wow. That's just awful.

JB
09-30-2010, 11:56 AM
Hey, did anyone see Barber watch his brother run through the line for that touchdown against us?

There was a huge hole, Barber could have knifed through the hole & attacked Barber in the backfield. At the very least, he could have bought the other guys enough time to finish MBIII off.

But nooooooo... he watched.

That might be one of THE most infuriating things ever.

You are stone cold serious that you saw that? For real?

Wow. That's just awful.

No, thats crap. I just watched the play again. When Witten motions into the backfield, Barber follows and then moves back when Witten stops. As soon as the ball is snapped, Barber attacks the hole, and is the first one to hit MBIII.

infantrycak
09-30-2010, 11:59 AM
That might be one of THE most infuriating things ever.

You are stone cold serious that you saw that? For real?

Wow. That's just awful.

No. Barber wasn't in a position to make a play. He didn't just stand there either. He rushed the line but was too far from the play to make a difference.

GP
09-30-2010, 12:17 PM
No. Barber wasn't in a position to make a play. He didn't just stand there either. He rushed the line but was too far from the play to make a difference.

Whew! Thank you for clarifying that.

I will stop clinching my teeth now.

infantrycak
09-30-2010, 12:30 PM
Whew! Thank you for clarifying that.

I will stop clinching my teeth now.

If you go to NFL.com's play by play there is a highlight clip of the run so you can judge for yourself.

thunderkyss
09-30-2010, 12:43 PM
That might be one of THE most infuriating things ever.

You are stone cold serious that you saw that? For real?

Wow. That's just awful.

I'm being a little facetious. A little (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010092608/2010/REG3/cowboys@texans#tab:watch/contentId:09000d5d81ad4ef7).

Big brother pwned him.

thunderkyss
10-01-2010, 12:25 PM
I know it sucks to think that of one of our players. But I do wonder if that wasn't his brother, would he have closed that hole quicker? Would he have put more force into that hit? Could he have cut his feet out from under him a yard or two in the backfield?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/Thunderkyss/Barber1.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/Thunderkyss/barber2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/Thunderkyss/Barber3.jpg

Scooter
10-01-2010, 12:45 PM
dang tk, i didnt notice that one. our linebackers and secondary are always two steps slow in goalline situations but he might as well have been wearing an orange vest and waving flashlights on that play.

Porky
10-01-2010, 12:54 PM
Barber sucks. He'll immediately be one of the very worst starting safeties in the league Sunday, if not the worst. He is horrible. What Kubes sees in this guy is beyond me because he is trash as a starting NFL safety. Always has been and always will be.

Not only that, but he is an in the box SS not a FS so exactly how is he supposed to help the pass coverage again? Then again the only real FS on the roster is Eugene Wilson who is playing more like Flip Wilson this year...except Flip has better hands.

I blame this mess on Rick Smith and Kubiak who repeatedly have had chances to address the safety position with legit NFL talent but prefer UDFA's, and 6th and 7th rounders instead.

And the CB spot is equally bad, and it's painfully obvious that our 1st rounder is not going to ever meet up with his draft position. He'll get better, but he is mid round material at best. The rest of the guys are young, under-talented, or under-sized...or all of the above. And people wonder how we are giving up all this yardage? LMAO.

The only thing that can make a difference back there is Cushing. Thank God. He might save our season yet.

Goldensilence
10-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Barber sucks. He'll immediately be one of the very worst starting safeties in the league Sunday, if not the worst. He is horrible. What Kubes sees in this guy is beyond me because he is trash as a starting NFL safety. Always has been and always will be.

Not only that, but he is an in the box SS not a FS so exactly how is he supposed to help the pass coverage again? Then again the only real FS on the roster is Eugene Wilson who is playing more like Flip Wilson this year...except Flip has better hands.

I blame this mess on Rick Smith and Kubiak who repeatedly have had chances to address the safety position with legit NFL talent but prefer UDFA's, and 6th and 7th rounders instead.

And the CB spot is equally bad, and it's painfully obvious that our 1st rounder is not going to ever meet up with his draft position. He'll get better, but he is mid round material at best. The rest of the guys are young, under-talented, or under-sized...or all of the above. And people wonder how we are giving up all this yardage? LMAO.

The only thing that can make a difference back there is Cushing. Thank God. He might save our season yet.

I agree with you on Barber. No clue what they see in this guy. He isn't even bacup FS material, at best backup SS.

I didn't have a huge problem with the FO drafting Jackson, but I would've rather drafted Kyle Wilson. No matter which rookie they would've put out on the field it wouldn't have mattered, every rookie starting CB in the league struggles their first year. It took a few years for Nnamdi and Darelle to transform into primier Cbs.

The biggest problem I do have however, is that I think the FO had a pretty good clue that they were going to go real young at CB. Problem is much as I like Quinn's game at best he's going to be a real solid #2. I like McCain's speed, but if they're going to have him in the nickle he's going to have problem covering the bigger possession receivers because of his size. If they were going to go this young they should've made a move for a solid veteran FS. Kerry Rhodes got traded for next to nothing. a 4th this year and a 7th in 2011. But hey we got another back up TE! Been a while but, I remember there being other possibilities for acquiring a FS.

Had it been me I would've kept Reeves, slotted him as the #1 and have Quinn as the #2. First work Jackson into the nickle so he can get a feel for the speed of NFL WRs and then as the season progressed move him into a starting role.

You're right though, my best hope for the secondary at this point is that Cushing coming back gives a big boost to the front seven in getting pressure on the CB and him being our best cover Lber.

All bitching and nit-picking aside. With some luck this team has a chance to go 3-1 for the first quarter of the season without our defensive MVP. That's a a great leg up to make a run at the playoffs. I hope that the FO realizes this and decides to get off its ass and start scouring the league for a trade to make at FS.

HJam72
10-01-2010, 01:45 PM
This team's been needing to get a real FS forever. That's why I can't hardly stand to follow the draft anymore.

Scooter
10-01-2010, 02:02 PM
This team's been needing to get a real FS forever. That's why I can't hardly stand to follow the draft anymore.

you're not kidding. i (among many) was begging for us to trade up for sean taylor and have been hoping ever since that this would be the year we draft a centerfielder. heck i was even hoping for taylor mays as an upgrade over all but pollard in our secondary.

badboy
10-01-2010, 02:19 PM
As it stands today, we are weak at free safety, defensive end, back up QB and Rb after Foster. Mock draft anyone?

barrett
10-01-2010, 02:28 PM
As it stands today, we are weak at free safety, defensive end, back up QB and Rb after Foster. Mock draft anyone?

S - We're not weak at free safety. Troy Nolan and Dominique Barber are unproven, not bad. Barber was much improved over the last 6 games when he was healthy and playing. Nolan looked good to great against lesser depth in the pre-season. If anything the depth looks to be brighter than the starter. Experience is critical at the free safety position and Kubiak is siding with Wilson first since he has more experience. With an injury, Barber will slide in. He has some experience and he'll play while Nolan cuts his teeth. By the end of the year you may see one of these two guys settled in as a regular starter.

DE - With the loss of Barwin for the year I can understand your concerns. But he'll be back and healthy next season. His ankle injury will heal completely. Antonio Smith has looks very good to great at times as well. He's the most disruptive player on the line. With Barwin back healthy next season, Mario, Smith and Barwin make for a very solid DE rotation.

thunderkyss
10-01-2010, 06:43 PM
Had it been me I would've kept Reeves, slotted him as the #1 and have Quinn as the #2. First work Jackson into the nickle so he can get a feel for the speed of NFL WRs and then as the season progressed move him into a starting role.


Is this because we believe Reeves wouldn't have got beat? Ever?

I mean if he were that good, why would we even think of letting him go?

Do you think Kareem wouldn't get beat if he were our nickel?

The truth is that Reeves would have got beat on the outside... Kareem would have got beat as the nickel.

So we aren't really losing anything with Kareem getting beat on the outside or McCain getting beat as the nickel.



I'm not getting it.

thunderkyss
10-01-2010, 06:46 PM
you're not kidding. i (among many) was begging for us to trade up for sean taylor and have been hoping ever since that this would be the year we draft a centerfielder. heck i was even hoping for taylor mays as an upgrade over all but pollard in our secondary.

In Washington, it felt like there were two Laron Landryies out there.

thunderkyss
10-01-2010, 06:49 PM
DE - With the loss of Barwin for the year I can understand your concerns. But he'll be back and healthy next season. His ankle injury will heal completely. Antonio Smith has looks very good to great at times as well. He's the most disruptive player on the line. With Barwin back healthy next season, Mario, Smith and Barwin make for a very solid DE rotation.

Not to mention Nading hasn't looked bad this year. He hasn't gotten a sack yet, but he looks as good as Bullman ever did (IMO). Better even.

infantrycak
10-01-2010, 06:51 PM
Not to mention Nading hasn't looked bad this year. He hasn't gotten a sack yet, but he looks as good as Bullman ever did (IMO). Better even.

He got a half sack on Manning with Mario. Just FYI. He has looked good generally.

Lucky
10-01-2010, 08:56 PM
S - We're not weak at free safety. Troy Nolan and Dominique Barber are unproven, not bad.
The Texans are weak at FS. Barber is not unproven. He's been around and not shown much, to date. Nolan is a total unknown. It's not a court of law, where you're innocent until proven guilty. The Texans are "guilty" of having poor FS play until they have adequate FS play.

JB
10-01-2010, 08:59 PM
He got a half sack on Manning with Mario. Just FYI. He has looked good generally.

He has looked good. As a good rotation guy, but not somone that is going to make many plays. He is a high effort guy, but not a high talent guy.


And you know that our fanbase expects a pro-bowl caliber player at every position. All 53 guys should be at least pro-bowl caliber. The starters should all be HOF material.

Even if they were, I am sure there would be complaints.

Rey
10-01-2010, 09:01 PM
The Texans are weak at FS. Barber is not unproven. He's been around and not shown much, to date. Nolan is a total unknown. It's not a court of law, where you're innocent until proven guilty. The Texans are "guilty" of having poor FS play until they have adequate FS play.

Pretty much.

drs23
10-01-2010, 09:10 PM
He has looked good. As a good rotation guy, but not somone that is going to make many plays. He is a high effort guy, but not a high talent guy.


And you know that our fanbase expects a pro-bowl caliber player at every position. All 53 guys should be at least pro-bowl caliber. The starters should all be HOF material.

Even if they were, I am sure there would be complaints.

:goodpost:

MSR

gary
10-01-2010, 09:31 PM
A better free safety and Cushing coming back should help the D a lot.

jshabang
10-01-2010, 09:46 PM
Texans have, in many instances, failed to play a back-up that has shown more flashes of being good than the starter.

IMO, they have mostly gone with the player that has been around longer or the player they specifically pegged as their guy rather than throwing a guy in who has shown flashes of being good.

Even when it was obvious that Slaton would out perform Ahman Green that year, they still went with Green until he got injured. The same thing with Foster last year. Jaques Reeves even started over Quinn until it was apparent he sucked.

My point is that just because the Texans peg a guy as a starter says nothing about the talent of the guy behind them.

this....exactly on point....couldnt have said it better myself

MojoMan
10-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Perhaps a first round pick at free safety for the Texans in the 2011 NFL Draft would do the trick.

Just saying.

jshabang
10-01-2010, 10:13 PM
barber sucks. He'll immediately be one of the very worst starting safeties in the league sunday, if not the worst. He is horrible. What kubes sees in this guy is beyond me because he is trash as a starting nfl safety. Always has been and always will be.

Not only that, but he is an in the box ss not a fs so exactly how is he supposed to help the pass coverage again? Then again the only real fs on the roster is eugene wilson who is playing more like flip wilson this year...except flip has better hands.

I blame this mess on rick smith and kubiak who repeatedly have had chances to address the safety position with legit nfl talent but prefer udfa's, and 6th and 7th rounders instead.

And the cb spot is equally bad, and it's painfully obvious that our 1st rounder is not going to ever meet up with his draft position. He'll get better, but he is mid round material at best. The rest of the guys are young, under-talented, or under-sized...or all of the above. And people wonder how we are giving up all this yardage? Lmao.

The only thing that can make a difference back there is cushing. Thank god. He might save our season yet.

spot on!!!!!!!!!! Barber is a joke at safety.....he sucks!!!!!!!....and yes he is worse than wilson by leaps and bounds.......horrible

Rey
10-01-2010, 10:24 PM
Perhaps a first round pick at free safety for the Texans in the 2011 NFL Draft would do the trick.

Just saying.

Would not be opposed to that at all...

But honestly, I am really hoping that Nolan can step in there and be the guy we want...If nothing else, I'd like to see him become a guy that we aren't afraid to put on the field...

At this point, without knowing what the future has in store, I am really hoping for a dominant one technique that can replace Cody as a starter...I think Cody would be really good for us as a rotational player...

MojoMan
10-01-2010, 10:34 PM
Would not be opposed to that at all...

But honestly, I am really hoping that Nolan can step in there and be the guy we want...If nothing else, I'd like to see him become a guy that we aren't afraid to put on the field...

At this point, without knowing what the future has in store, I am really hoping for a dominant one technique that can replace Cody as a starter...I think Cody would be really good for us as a rotational player...

I would like to see Barber prove all the nay-sayers in this tread wrong and become an all pro by the end of the year. Maybe that is too much to ask, but since he is going to start on Sunday regardless of anyone's opinion of him here, shouldn't all of us at least hope that Barber blows our expectations of him clean out of the water?

Seriously, some of you guys seem to have a bad attitude.

Rey
10-01-2010, 10:41 PM
I would like to see Barber prove all the nay-sayers in this tread wrong and become an all pro by the end of the year. Maybe that is too much to ask, but since he is going to start on Sunday regardless of anyone's opinion of him here, shouldn't all of us at least hope that Barber blows our expectations of him clean out of the water?

Seriously, some of you guys seem to have a bad attitude.

You are right.

And I even posted that a few pages back...I think...If not in this thread it was another thread...

I think my explanation was pretty good on the dynamic of wanting Barber to do well but thinking Nolan potentially provides more at the position.

I don't want Barber to fail at all...Would love nothing more for him to become an All Pro...I don't think he's a bad player...

But I do think that Nolan has the higher upside there. That's really all there is to it. JMO though.

The Pencil Neck
10-02-2010, 06:00 PM
I expect Barber to play a few plays and then Nolan to rotate in and never lose the position after that.

Kubes said that both guys will get some time. Kubes will go with the hot hand and he'll give Nolan his shot. And if Nolan gets his shot, he's going to be our new FS.

jshabang
10-02-2010, 07:51 PM
I would like to see Barber prove all the nay-sayers in this tread wrong and become an all pro by the end of the year. Maybe that is too much to ask, but since he is going to start on Sunday regardless of anyone's opinion of him here, shouldn't all of us at least hope that Barber blows our expectations of him clean out of the water?

Seriously, some of you guys seem to have a bad attitude.


:wadepalm::lol:

DexmanC
10-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Whenever I see Barber back there, I'm reminded of the second game of
the year in Tennessee last season. Barber was walking up to the line,
screaming at the linebackers, when Chris Johnson walked out to the flank
completely uncovered. Collins quickly snapped the ball and tossed the ball
to Johnson, for the easiest touchdown I'd ever seen a player make.

jshabang
10-02-2010, 08:30 PM
Whenever I see Barber back there, I'm reminded of the second game of
the year in Tennessee last season. Barber was walking up to the line,
screaming at the linebackers, when Chris Johnson walked out to the flank
completely uncovered. Collins quickly snapped the ball and tossed the ball
to Johnson, for the easiest touchdown I'd ever seen a player make.

smfh:brickwall:

SteveSlaton20
10-03-2010, 07:20 PM
http://prod.static.texans.clubs.nfl.com/assets/clubimages/downloads/4A06589134A84183B148BD324542A37B.jpg

dammit, i want him.

Two interceptions, yessirrie.

jshabang
10-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Lol..

I wonder where all the barber supporters are now....lol......this is not up for discussion anylonger.....and not to be spoke on again.......we said we wanted this nolan kid to get a chance and now u see why...hes a ballhawk...and thats something u cant teach

u either are a ballhawk or u are not...period