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Dwade
09-26-2010, 10:12 PM
I know Kareem is a rookie...but he just sucks. Maybe he will be good in a few years, but he does not need to be starting.

Should have paid Dunta.

gary
09-26-2010, 10:18 PM
I am sure the Texans would have won today with Dunte. Dunte can suck it.

ObsiWan
09-26-2010, 10:21 PM
I know Kareem is a rookie...but he just sucks. Maybe he will be good in a few years, but he does not need to be starting.

Should have paid Dunta.

Naaah... Dunta wanted out. You'll never convince me otherwise.

PHAROAH
09-26-2010, 10:22 PM
now if we had Dunta and Kareem that would be much better than no veteran at the corner position. I can't believe the texans are going with basically two rookie corners this season with Kareem & Glover Quinn who I think has no talent to be starting in this league. Kareem Jackson is just not ready even though he has a lot of talent. The safeties are not great either so when he goes one on one he is basically on his own because our safeties are horrible in coverage.

Dwade
09-26-2010, 10:22 PM
Naaah... Dunta wanted out. You'll never convince me otherwise.

He wanted out because he wasn't getting paid...and even a disgruntled Dunta is better than Kareem Jackson.

We need a better pass defense if we want to go far in the playoffs. That or score every possession.

gary
09-26-2010, 10:24 PM
Since he returned from his injury he is never going to be the same.

Mr. Texan
09-26-2010, 10:25 PM
dunta wasn't worth what he wanted.

yeah it's unfortunate that kareem is put in this position to pretty much make an immediate impact on a team with playoff aspirations but i'd rather roll with kj than overpay someone who is not worth the production they put on the field.

Hervoyel
09-26-2010, 10:25 PM
I know Kareem is a rookie...but he just sucks. Maybe he will be good in a few years, but he does not need to be starting.

Should have paid Dunta.

I'm thinking "no". Think of what you're saying. "Should have paid Dunta"? $57 million dollars? $25.5 million guaranteed money?

No way. If we were going to go out and make that kind of commitment to a CB (and I have no objection to that) we should have just sucked it up and went after Asomugha and got what we paid for. Sure it would have cost us draft picks but one of them would have been the pick we used on Kareem Jackson so right now we'd be paying top dollar for a top cornerback and owing the Raiders another 1 maybe? Possibly a 2?

I fail to see how that's a problem considering how well our current brain trust has drafted in later rounds.

But Dunta? That is for to laugh.

NitroGSXR
09-26-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm thinking "no". Think of what you're saying. "Should have paid Dunta"? $57 million dollars? $25.5 million guaranteed money?

No way. If we were going to go out and make that kind of commitment to a CB (and I have no objection to that) we should have just sucked it up and went after Asomugha and got what we paid for. Sure it would have cost us draft picks but one of them would have been the pick we used on Kareem Jackson so right now we'd be paying top dollar for a top cornerback and owing the Raiders another 1 maybe? Possibly a 2?

I fail to see how that's a problem considering how well our current brain trust has drafted in later rounds.

But Dunta? That is for to laugh.
I'm thinking more along the lines of the franchise tag here... not so much about giving him a long term contract.

gary
09-26-2010, 10:34 PM
He wanted out because he wasn't getting paid...and even a disgruntled Dunta is better than Kareem Jackson.

We need a better pass defense if we want to go far in the playoffs. That or score every possession.Are you serious? Dunte nor Jackson is going to make a world of difference on this team. The Colts played with rookies in the Superbowl last season. If Dunta did not have such a me first attiude he would have still been here and you pay based on production he was not worth the cash.

thegr8fan
09-26-2010, 10:34 PM
Dunta is gone, and after seeing him play for Atlanta lately..........good riddence. ATL isn't exactly jumping with joy for him on their team either, read their boards.

We won 2 games, one of which was against the Colts, with Jackson. Let him go through his growing pains and become a better CB. Till then we just find a way to win. Just like we did in the first 2 games.

hradhak
09-26-2010, 10:37 PM
I know we keep talking about how much our secondary sucks, etc. but I'd like to point out that Romo didn't torch us as much as Manning or McNabb. Week 1 and 2 we let up 400+ yards. Romo took us for 284. Yes, we did lose, and yes it's not ideal, but it's not like we're getting torched by David Carr or some other scrub QB. We have faced 3 fairly prolific QBs.

We should probably save the fire "insert name here" threads until we give the team a little time to get a representative sample of their performance. My feeling is that by the bye week the numbers will be more representative.

m5kwatts
09-26-2010, 10:39 PM
The issue with Dunta was money. I'm glad he didn't accept the huge contract we offered him and I'm glad we didn't give him the even bigger contract that Atlanta gave him. He won't be worth it and I'd rather spend that money elsewhere.

PHAROAH
09-26-2010, 10:39 PM
The problem is on the back end of the defense with our safeties they can't cover and they are always out of position. The corners are playing bump & run coverage way to much and they don't have that type of speed and the safeties are never there to help over the top. The texans need to trade for a better free safety because Bernard Pollard is great against the run and needs help in coverage because he stinks in coverage.

Dwade
09-26-2010, 10:41 PM
Dunta is gone, and after seeing him play for Atlanta lately..........good riddence. ATL isn't exactly jumping with joy for him on their team either, read their boards.

We won 2 games, one of which was against the Colts, with Jackson. Let him go through his growing pains and become a better CB. Till then we just find a way to win. Just like we did in the first 2 games.

We won in spite of Kareem against the Colts.

Did you not see Peyton Manning throw for over 400 yards that game?

Arian Foster won that game for us.

m5kwatts
09-26-2010, 10:41 PM
The problem is on the back end of the defense with our safeties they can't cover and they are always out of position. The corners are playing bump & run coverage way to much and they don't have that type of speed and the safeties are never there to help over the top. The texans need to trade for a better free safety because Bernard Pollard is great against the run and needs help in coverage because he stinks in coverage.

How about our front four not let QBs set up a camping site and use binoculars to spot holes in our coverage? C'mon this pass rush has been non-existent. Lets reserve of DB judgement until a legit pass rush or even a freaking AVERAGE one is there.

thunderkyss
09-26-2010, 10:42 PM
I know Kareem is a rookie...but he just sucks. Maybe he will be good in a few years, but he does not need to be starting.

Should have paid Dunta.

I love Jackson. No doubt in my mind he will be a great corner in this league.

PHAROAH
09-26-2010, 10:43 PM
Dunta was the Texans best defender in the secondary and he had no help in COVERAGE from the safeties and he looked bad too so give Kareem time he is a rookie and he is playing one of the hardest positions in the NFL and is starting as a rookie and that means the safeties have to make the correct reads and help him over the top. The other is Frank Bush putting him in a bad position all the time and calling stupid plays on defense.

Wolf
09-26-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't miss him and his million dollars per pass defended last season. (no INTS)

Dwade
09-26-2010, 10:45 PM
I love Jackson. No doubt in my mind he will be a great corner in this league.

....have you watched these first 3 games? I'm not impressed at all.

Also, on that last TD to Roy Williams, it looked like he gave up and stopped chasing him.

thunderkyss
09-26-2010, 10:48 PM
The problem is on the back end of the defense with our safeties they can't cover and they are always out of position. The corners are playing bump & run coverage way to much and they don't have that type of speed and the safeties are never there to help over the top. The texans need to trade for a better free safety because Bernard Pollard is great against the run and needs help in coverage because he stinks in coverage.

The problem is on the back end with the safeties, & the underneath coverage with the LBs. Our CBs are playing pretty good considering.

PHAROAH
09-26-2010, 10:51 PM
THe pass rush stinks and I really think that we have the linebackers for a 3-4 and the way Mario stands up like an OLB he is much more effective pass rushing that way. THe 4-3 defense scheme we are running sucks and just think if we converted Mario Williams as OLB/DE and Brian Cushing at the other OLB position with Demeco Ryans & Zach Diles at ILB postions. we would generate more sacks in 3-4 base defense instead of that 4-3 under mess IMO. Pleas fire Frank Bush he has no clue and there is no way we can compete for the playoffs with this type of defensive play.

Dwade
09-26-2010, 10:52 PM
THe pass rush stinks and I really think that we have the linebackers for a 3-4 and the way Mario stands up like an OLB he is much more effective pass rushing that way. THe 4-3 defense scheme we are running sucks and just think if we converted Mario Williams as OLB/DE and Brian Cushing at the other OLB position with Demeco Ryans & Zach Diles at ILB postions. we would generate more sacks in 3-4 setting IMO.

You're suggesting using Mario in a DeMarcus Ware type of role? Interesting, but I think he is better suited to be a pure end.

PHAROAH
09-26-2010, 10:57 PM
Yes I think he will get more sacks and will be better utilized and the other players will be better suited as well as we have no pass rushing threat other than Brian Cushing & Conner Barwin I say try a 3-4 base defense and use those great linebackers and let them create havoc on teams what we are doing stinks on defense. Fire Frank Bush the defense can't make any major stops and the secondary is getting abused by teams.

Goatcheese
09-26-2010, 10:57 PM
I'm thinking "no". Think of what you're saying. "Should have paid Dunta"? $57 million dollars? $25.5 million guaranteed money?

No way. If we were going to go out and make that kind of commitment to a CB (and I have no objection to that) we should have just sucked it up and went after Asomugha and got what we paid for. Sure it would have cost us draft picks but one of them would have been the pick we used on Kareem Jackson so right now we'd be paying top dollar for a top cornerback and owing the Raiders another 1 maybe? Possibly a 2?

I fail to see how that's a problem considering how well our current brain trust has drafted in later rounds.

But Dunta? That is for to laugh.

I agree for the most part.

Robinson isn't worth that much money, but we still could have tagged him in an uncapped year where we were supposed to be contenders.

Also his contract isn't all that it appears to be. It's back-loaded and the supposed guaranteed money really isn't. It's mostly roster and other bonuses that he doesn't get if they end up cutting him before they roll around(which is likely since he would be 35 by the end of the contract).

His signing bonus was 7 mil, which is tiny all things considered. His cap(yes I know there is no cap right now) number for this year is a little over $6 mil which is 9th out of the corners I checked, and there are probably some that I missed.

Darrelle Revis $7.5 mil salary + $18 mil option bonus
Nnamdi Asomugha $755,000 salary + $8 mil roster bonus + $7.83 mil option bonus
Terence Newman $9 mil salary + $2 mil prorated signing bonus
Champ Bailey $9.5 mil salary + undisclosed
Asante Samuel $8.895 mil salary + $1 mil prorated signing bonus
Corey Webster $ 2.75 mil salary + $4 mil roster bonus + $1 mil prorated signing bonus
Charles Woodson $6.5 mil salary + $1 mil bonus + undisclosed prorate signing bonus
Antoine Winfield $6.5 mil salary + undisclosed
Dunta Robinson $5 mil salary + $1.17 mil prorated signing bonus

The total contract number is more than he's worth, but he probably won't see more than half of it, over the first 4 years and then he will be a cap casualty. I could have lived with paying him $7-7.5 mil a year and putting some back loaded money that he will never see just to stroke his ego. Elite corners are going to be demanding 15+ mil a year in the future, so paying half of that doesn't hurt that much.

TexCanada
09-26-2010, 10:58 PM
I didn't really care much for Dunta's attitude. The play that I think of most when remembering Dunta is last season against the Colts when he came up and made a hit on Addai, holding him to about a 5 yard gain. Dunta celebrated this hit like it one us the superbowl while Peyton got his team up to the line and got a play off before we were ready.

I know Dunta brought lots of good things to this team, but he is not necessarily the veteran "leader" that I would want for this secondary.

Dwade
09-26-2010, 11:04 PM
I didn't really care much for Dunta's attitude. The play that I think of most when remembering Dunta is last season against the Colts when he came up and made a hit on Addai, holding him to about a 5 yard gain. Dunta celebrated this hit like it one us the superbowl while Peyton got his team up to the line and got a play off before we were ready.

I know Dunta brought lots of good things to this team, but he is not necessarily the veteran "leader" that I would want for this secondary.

He may not have been a leader, but at least he didn't get torched as much as Kareem does.

We have a leader in Pollard....heck I would be fine with a robot playing cornerback as long as he can cover.

NitroGSXR
09-26-2010, 11:06 PM
....have you watched these first 3 games? I'm not impressed at all.

Also, on that last TD to Roy Williams, it looked like he gave up and stopped chasing him.

Sounds like you haven't watched the games. I see a LOT of raw potential here. He blew me away when he knocked the ball out of Cooley's hands last week. Kid was focused the whole play, stride for stride. I'm excited about KJ. He unfortunately does not have the arsenal to cover the NFL ones. That arsenal comes with learning what tricks the best WRs (or TEs in the case of Washington) have up their sleeves. With experience... KJ's gonna be something special. I wish we franchised Dumbta to help ease his way in but that's neither here or there. He's a Falcon now so I hope he loses chunks of his dreadlocks because I root for none other than the Texans. I always root for 31 teams to lose. Especially if they're facing each other. You should see the look on my wife's face right now. I am loudly booing BOTH the Jets AND the Dolphins.

I love football.

Stemp
09-26-2010, 11:09 PM
He may not have been a leader, but at least he didn't get torched as much as Kareem does.

We have a leader in Pollard....heck I would be fine with a robot playing cornerback as long as he can cover.

Do you even remember Dunta's rookie year? He was torched and picked on numerous times. And he had some vets around him.

houstonspartan
09-26-2010, 11:37 PM
Give me a f-----g break. Dunta wanted OUT. Period. We offered him a ton of cash, and then he turned it down. Then he turned into a LITTLE ***** and whined and said we weren't paying him, instead of just admitting he wanted to go to another team.

Duna if a motherf------g LOSER and I'm glad his sorry ass is gone.

JB
09-26-2010, 11:39 PM
I know Kareem is a rookie...but he just sucks. Maybe he will be good in a few years, but he does not need to be starting.

Should have paid Dunta.

If you really mean what the thread title implies them you are a fool. JMO.

Dwade
09-26-2010, 11:44 PM
If you really mean what the thread title implies them you are a fool. JMO.

Do you honestly think we are better off without him? We have the worst pass defense in the league right now.

houstonspartan
09-26-2010, 11:50 PM
If you really mean what the thread title implies them you are a fool. JMO.

lol. Amen.

Goatcheese
09-26-2010, 11:51 PM
Give me a f-----g break. Dunta wanted OUT. Period. We offered him a ton of cash, and then he turned it down. Then he turned into a LITTLE ***** and whined and said we weren't paying him, instead of just admitting he wanted to go to another team.

Duna if a motherf------g LOSER and I'm glad his sorry ass is gone.

Wut? :spit:

Robinson said he would be happy to stay here and wouldn't be upset if they used the tag again. He also talked about how he took dealings with the front office personally and regretted doing so. He's an emotional guy. That's a big part of why he was a fan favorite, but emotional people swing both ways.

They offered him a ton of cash.. sure, but it was still less than he could get somewhere else. He wasn't on the market long enough to scratch your butt before somebody backed a dump truck full of money up to his door all like "HI!"

I don't blame him for grabbing what he can while he can. That injury would have ended most careers.

I still think he was an immature asshole for writing on his shoes and making a dick out of himself in the media during the holdout, but that's not a reason to hate the guy.

JB
09-26-2010, 11:59 PM
Do you honestly think we are better off without him? We have the worst pass defense in the league right now.

Do you really think we would be better with him here? What a freakin' joke!

houstonspartan
09-27-2010, 12:02 AM
Wut? :spit:

Robinson said he would be happy to stay here and wouldn't be upset if they used the tag again. He also talked about how he took dealings with the front office personally and regretted doing so. He's an emotional guy. That's a big part of why he was a fan favorite, but emotional people swing both ways.

They offered him a ton of cash.. sure, but it was still less than he could get somewhere else. He wasn't on the market long enough to scratch your butt before somebody backed a dump truck full of money up to his door all like "HI!"

I don't blame him for grabbing what he can while he can. That injury would have ended most careers.

I still think he was an immature asshole for writing on his shoes and making a dick out of himself in the media during the holdout, but that's not a reason to hate the guy.


If we had offered Dunta $500 million in cash, he would have turned it down. My issue with the guy is that he didn't man up and say "trade me." Instead, he kept turning down great money while claiming that he still wanted to be a Texan. Give me a break. Actions, not words.

As far as what we offered him, considering he was returning from a major injury and wasn't sure if he still had it in him, we were MORE than generous with our offer. The Texans appeared to be paying him more for intangibles (being a locker room leader and fan favorate) than actual production.

If Dunta has a great career in ATL, I'm happy for him. But I'm glad he is no longer a Texan.

Goatcheese
09-27-2010, 12:04 AM
Do you really think we would be better with him here? What a freakin' joke!

Passing yards per game
2009 217.9
2010 368.7

Yards per attempt
2009 6.7
2010 9.1

Completion % against
2009 62.8%
2010 72.8%

Hmm, it's almost as if D-Rob and Reeves were a significant difference.

thunderkyss
09-27-2010, 12:07 AM
The total contract number is more than he's worth, but he probably won't see more than half of it, over the first 4 years and then he will be a cap casualty. I could have lived with paying him $7-7.5 mil a year and putting some back loaded money that he will never see just to stroke his ego. Elite corners are going to be demanding 15+ mil a year in the future, so paying half of that doesn't hurt that much.

We were going to make him a top 5 paid corner in the league & he turned it down. I don't think he would have signed anything like that for us.

Goatcheese
09-27-2010, 12:08 AM
If we had offered Dunta $500 million in cash, he would have turned it down. My issue with the guy is that he didn't man up and say "trade me." Instead, he kept turning down great money while claiming that he still wanted to be a Texan. Give me a break. Actions, not words.

I haven't seen anywhere that he said he didn't want to be here, and according to the other players he wasn't a problem in the locker room; some even considered him a leader.

As far as what we offered him, considering he was returning from a major injury and wasn't sure if he still had it in him, we were MORE than generous with our offer. The Texans appeared to be paying him more for intangibles (being a locker room leader and fan favorate) than actual production.

If Dunta has a great career in ATL, I'm happy for him. But I'm glad he is no longer a Texan.

I don't disagree one bit. They made more than a fair offer, but he knew he could get more elsewhere and ultimately did.

digitalswim
09-27-2010, 12:09 AM
The problem is on the back end with the safeties, & the underneath coverage with the LBs. Our CBs are playing pretty good considering.

This is exactly the problem. So many blown coverages. It's a laugh blaming all this on one guy. I keep pulling my hair out every time I see an LB or a safety out of position. The scary thing is a lot of these missed assignments are basic football.

Mr. White
09-27-2010, 12:15 AM
But Dunta? That is for to laugh.

When a guy says "that is for to laugh," then you need to know you just got a lesson in Olde English.

NitroGSXR
09-27-2010, 12:46 AM
I miss winning football games! It's been seven days!

Norg
09-27-2010, 12:53 AM
Yeah the problem is we have no pass rush and that effects the back end

and also the poor play from our safteys is also a factor yeah im calling Out Pollard and wilson and to me it look like Wilson is on his way out .. its time for a CHange let someone else have a chance to get burned LOL

thunderkyss
09-27-2010, 01:00 AM
Yeah the problem is we have no pass rush and that effects the back end

and also the poor play from our safteys is also a factor yeah im calling Out Pollard and wilson and to me it look like Wilson is on his way out .. its time for a CHange let someone else have a chance to get burned LOL

Schaub was sacked at least three times, because the coverage was so good.

It would be nice to see a Texans to get a coverage sack.

bckey
09-27-2010, 01:03 AM
I love Jackson. No doubt in my mind he will be a great corner in this league.

And I had no doubt you would jump in this thread and say that.

80tothezone
09-27-2010, 01:05 AM
I know Kareem is a rookie...but he just sucks. Maybe he will be good in a few years, but he does not need to be starting.

Should have paid Dunta.

No way u give Dunta what he was asking he wasn't worth it KJ will be a solid #2 but he isn't a #1.I really put this game on the offense u got to score on first and goal if ur the Texans if u don't we don't win games no matter how much we pay over rated corners. Defensively I would say maybe u roll mcain or someone else to the number one slot and put KJ where he belongs as a number 2. But regardless we are going to be weak in the secondary all year there is really nothing we can do about it our pass defense comes in the form of # 90 and co. this year so if they don't get to the QB we also wont win games. We will do a little better against most teams when we get cushing back cause he can help pressure the qb and cover the faster tight ends.

-80

Hervoyel
09-27-2010, 01:09 AM
I'm thinking more along the lines of the franchise tag here... not so much about giving him a long term contract.

I agree for the most part.

Robinson isn't worth that much money, but we still could have tagged him in an uncapped year where we were supposed to be contenders.

Also his contract isn't all that it appears to be. It's back-loaded and the supposed guaranteed money really isn't. It's mostly roster and other bonuses that he doesn't get if they end up cutting him before they roll around(which is likely since he would be 35 by the end of the contract).

His signing bonus was 7 mil, which is tiny all things considered. His cap(yes I know there is no cap right now) number for this year is a little over $6 mil which is 9th out of the corners I checked, and there are probably some that I missed.

Darrelle Revis $7.5 mil salary + $18 mil option bonus
Nnamdi Asomugha $755,000 salary + $8 mil roster bonus + $7.83 mil option bonus
Terence Newman $9 mil salary + $2 mil prorated signing bonus
Champ Bailey $9.5 mil salary + undisclosed
Asante Samuel $8.895 mil salary + $1 mil prorated signing bonus
Corey Webster $ 2.75 mil salary + $4 mil roster bonus + $1 mil prorated signing bonus
Charles Woodson $6.5 mil salary + $1 mil bonus + undisclosed prorate signing bonus
Antoine Winfield $6.5 mil salary + undisclosed
Dunta Robinson $5 mil salary + $1.17 mil prorated signing bonus

The total contract number is more than he's worth, but he probably won't see more than half of it, over the first 4 years and then he will be a cap casualty. I could have lived with paying him $7-7.5 mil a year and putting some back loaded money that he will never see just to stroke his ego. Elite corners are going to be demanding 15+ mil a year in the future, so paying half of that doesn't hurt that much.

My only question where the franchise tag is concerned is what kind of player you end up with coming out the other side after the fight he put up the first time we used it on him. He was adamant about the Texans not using the tag a second time on him when he agreed to take it the first time. I think there comes a point where you risk making everyone in the locker room a little alienated if you keep playing hard ball with a single guy, particularly if he's a guy like Dunta who is going to get mad, be vocal, and make poor decisions about playing things out through the press. At some point it's better for everyone to let them go sign their free-agent pay day or trade them to a new team.

I'm entirely fine with letting Dunta go. I'm starting to wonder though (like a lot of people) if the Texans plan for life post-Dunta wasn't a little naive. They could have made a run at a real "ready to play" CB.

I think it's pretty clear that our team is overall fairly deep. I look at the offense and I see:

QB - adequate (now acceptable depth)
WR/TE - deep
RB/FB - deep (or was before the injury bug attacked)
OL - adequate if not truly deep.

Special Teams - deep

DL - adequate (before Barwin going down, now they need more pass rush)
LB - deep
Secondary - need a player it appears, maybe two.

So why aren't we out there hunting these 1-3 guys we are away from being serious contenders? That's a mystery. We're young, mostly deep across the board, and we lack two things to make ourselves truly dangerous. A shut down CB and another truly effective pass rusher. This is when you go make a trade, give up a draft pick, pay for a free agent, or in some other way make a move to go get that guy.

We didn't do that. We are still apparently doing business in that "We'll keep adding through the draft" manner that got us this far. I'd like to see them go get these pieces and win the division or "die trying" so to speak.

Dwade
09-27-2010, 07:15 AM
Do you really think we would be better with him here? What a freakin' joke!

Yes I do, he was a quality NFL cornerback.

Don't let your hate of Dunta cloud the fact that he is miles better than Kareem.

thunderkyss
09-27-2010, 05:27 PM
Yes I do, he was a quality NFL cornerback.

Don't let your hate of Dunta cloud the fact that he is miles better than Kareem.

That is ridiculous. His days of being a quality NFL cornerback ended when he was injured.

I thought it was the lack of a long term contract that kept him from bringing the wood like he used to, but he still isn't bringing it. & his cover skills are & have been pathetic.

Had we franchised him again, it would only further aid in his delusions that he is worth even more, he still wouldn't bring that hard hitting sure tackling that we'd loved him for, & we wouldn't know if it is because of the lack of a long term contract.

The Texans had to make a decision, can he provide the run support he once did on the edges, or can't he. I think they chose right.

I don't believe this was the first time the Texans gave up over 400 passing yards, & I'm quite sure Dunta was on some of those teams that did.

Texecutioner
09-27-2010, 05:29 PM
Another Dunta thread. Really? :wadepalm:


Why can't people just realize that he's gone now and move on. This is pointless.

Dwade
09-27-2010, 05:30 PM
That is ridiculous. His days of being a quality NFL cornerback ended when he was injured.

I thought it was the lack of a long term contract that kept him from bringing the wood like he used to, but he still isn't bringing it. & his cover skills are & have been pathetic.

Had we franchised him again, it would only further aid in his delusions that he is worth even more, he still wouldn't bring that hard hitting sure tackling that we'd loved him for, & we wouldn't know if it is because of the lack of a long term contract.

The Texans had to make a decision, can he provide the run support he once did on the edges, or can't he. I think they chose right.

I don't believe this was the first time the Texans gave up over 400 passing yards, & I'm quite sure Dunta was on some of those teams that did.

When is the last time we gave up over 1000 yards in 3 games, and had the opponent's Qbs have a rating over 110? Our pass defense is 32nd in the NFL.

Texecutioner
09-27-2010, 05:33 PM
When is the last time we gave up over 1000 yards in 3 games, and had the opponent's Qbs have a rating over 110? Our pass defense is 32nd in the NFL.

Did you somehow not notice how bad the secondary was all last season? These problems in the secondary are nothing new.

Jackson is a rookie and he's going to go through some serious growing pains. You should have expected that against two of the best passing offenses in the league in his first three games.

Hervoyel
09-27-2010, 05:34 PM
Right this instant Dunta would probably be a better option than Kareem. He's a veteran and so he's not going to be quite as victimized as the rookie. By the end of this year though, if the Texans are right about the potential in Kareem Jackson then he will likely be playing at a higher level than Dunta and the Falcons will be coming to the stark realization that they just payed top dog money and still have a problem.

I just wish we'd found somebody to bridge that gap between todays Kareem and the guy he will be (hopefully). I think it's too soon to ask Glover Quin to be the wiley veteran back there and Eugene Wilson, well I'm done believing what the Texans say about him. He's like having nobody at all behind these young guys.

Dwade
09-27-2010, 05:41 PM
Did you somehow not notice how bad the secondary was all last season? These problems in the secondary are nothing new.

Jackson is a rookie and he's going to go through some serious growing pains. You should have expected that against two of the best passing offenses in the league in his first three games.

I know he is going to be bad, that's why we should have franchise tagged Dunta or maybe traded for Cromartie.

If we want to make the playoffs and win, we have to be able to stop quarterbacks like Manning and Romo. Look at the NFC Championship last year...Brees vs. Favre. If we allow 300-400 yards passing against good quarterbacks, we will not go far this year.

gtexan02
09-27-2010, 05:42 PM
Right this instant Dunta would probably be a better option than Kareem. He's a veteran and so he's not going to be quite as victimized as the rookie. By the end of this year though, if the Texans are right about the potential in Kareem Jackson then he will likely be playing at a higher level than Dunta and the Falcons will be coming to the stark realization that they just payed top dog money and still have a problem.

I just wish we'd found somebody to bridge that gap between todays Kareem and the guy he will be (hopefully). I think it's too soon to ask Glover Quin to be the wiley veteran back there and Eugene Wilson, well I'm done believing what the Texans say about him. He's like having nobody at all behind these young guys.

The reason Im not sold on this is because we were told by the FO that Kareem was chosen over the alternatives at CB because he was NFL ready. That he would require the least seasoning. His potential may have been lower, but he was ready from day 1. Nick Saban coached defensive back. Etc etc

Hervoyel
09-27-2010, 05:52 PM
The reason Im not sold on this is because we were told by the FO that Kareem was chosen over the alternatives at CB because he was NFL ready. That he would require the least seasoning. His potential may have been lower, but he was ready from day 1. Nick Saban coached defensive back. Etc etc


That's ok. See, they lied. They wanted him and said some wacky shit that would justify the guy they wanted. He won't be ready until he's seen some hand-to-hand in the Nam.... I mean "NFL".

Thorn
09-27-2010, 06:12 PM
Kareem Jackson was thrown into the deep end of the pool and expected to swim right away. Right now he's not doing so well, but I predict that when it's all said and done Jackson will end up being twice the CB Dunta ever was.

disaacks3
09-27-2010, 06:27 PM
He wanted out because he wasn't getting paid...and even a disgruntled Dunta is better than Kareem Jackson.

We need a better pass defense if we want to go far in the playoffs. That or score every possession. In coverage? Hell, I'd still take KJ over Dunta this very minute. Why? Dunta doesn't have KJ's speed - he didn't before the injury and he's lost at least a step since then.

Do you honestly think we are better off without him? We have the worst pass defense in the league right now. I'd think he'd make a wonderful addition as a nickel back, but he wanted #1 money and he's not even a top-20 CB.

Passing yards per game
2009 217.9
2010 368.7

Yards per attempt
2009 6.7
2010 9.1

Completion % against
2009 62.8%
2010 72.8%

Hmm, it's almost as if D-Rob and Reeves were a significant difference. So, there's no other differences in the lineup other than D-rob and KJ switching out? In three weeks, they faced Manning, Romo and McNabb. Two of those three are likely hall-of-famers (who were our three opponents last year at this point...(Sanchez, Collins and Garrard). I think the opponents were significantly different as well.

Yes I do, he was a quality NFL cornerback.

Don't let your hate of Dunta cloud the fact that he is miles better than Kareem. In Dunta's BEST year, he might be as good a coverage guy as KJ. Dunta's well past his best year.

Stemp
09-27-2010, 06:28 PM
kareem jackson was thrown into the deep end of the pool and expected to swim right away. Right now he's not doing so well, but i predict that when it's all said and done jackson will end up being twice the cb dunta ever was after his injury.

fify

Double Barrel
09-27-2010, 06:29 PM
Romo could've made a sandwich, eaten it, washed his hands, and then made his reads before he passed yesterday. Our pass rush was a freakin' joke.

Our secondary is young and inexperienced, so they are obviously a work in progress and a huge weakness in our defense. But with the kind of time that Romo was given, even the best secondary would've broken down.

Those boys up front had better apply some consistent pressure or this is going to be a long season, especially when our offense can't pull it's head out of it's butt.

Mr. Texan
09-27-2010, 06:34 PM
I distinctively remember when profootballfocus.com (when stats were free) had it to where you could compare in depth individual stats of certain positions. Dunta was pretty low on the list of all NFL corners who play at least 75% of the snaps on defense based on interceptions, deflections, opposing qb passer rating when thrown to, etc.

Is Dunta RIGHT NOW better than Kareem? You could say so, but again is Dunta REALLY worth the money he wanted? Is a slight upgrade really worth the premium that he came with?

just get over it.

PockyAF
09-27-2010, 06:36 PM
Romo could've made a sandwich, eaten it, washed his hands, and then made his reads before he passed yesterday. Our pass rush was a freakin' joke.

A sandwich?

Romo could have got on COD back there, went on a 8 men killstreak, set up his sentry gun before realizing
"hey,I still need to throw this ball".

Texan_Bill
09-27-2010, 06:38 PM
I would've rather kept Reeves, paid a CB off the street and paid someone to come in to coach KJ up (i.e. an Aaron Glenn) in a one on one situation, than to pay that overpaid, malcontent, Robinson.

Rey
09-27-2010, 06:40 PM
The reason Im not sold on this is because we were told by the FO that Kareem was chosen over the alternatives at CB because he was NFL ready. That he would require the least seasoning. His potential may have been lower, but he was ready from day 1. Nick Saban coached defensive back. Etc etc

I don't remember the front office saying the bolded parts.

There is a difference between "being NFL ready" and being "more NFL ready than the other rookies".

Rey
09-27-2010, 06:49 PM
Romo could've made a sandwich, eaten it, washed his hands, and then made his reads before he passed yesterday. Our pass rush was a freakin' joke.

Our secondary is young and inexperienced, so they are obviously a work in progress and a huge weakness in our defense. But with the kind of time that Romo was given, even the best secondary would've broken down.

Those boys up front had better apply some consistent pressure or this is going to be a long season, especially when our offense can't pull it's head out of it's butt.

I don't remember Romo having that kind of time. A lot of their big plays came when Tony made quick reads and got rid of the ball. The Touchdown to to Roy was a little slant route. KJ looked like a pee wee player on that play, and there was no one around that could even get to Roy and minimize the mistake that had been made. Since the season has begun, it seems like we are only playing with three DB's. The two corners and Pollard. The FS has been non-exsistent and the LB's might as well just sit down indian style when the other team drops back.

There will be days when one part of your team has a bad day.

I don't think the D-line was all that bad though. They forced some penalties on that offensive line, forced Romo to have an intentional grounding and they made him move around a lot. They forced some bad throws as well. The one time when our FS had a chance to pick the ball off and quite possibly return it for a TD...he dropped the ball...

Even if you disagree with me about the D-lines play, the secondary failed to step up for the third straight week. Even if the D-line played poorly, the secondary has yet to have a good game. Pass coverage is the defensive week link. Hands down. It needs to be addressed.

The only players young and inexperienced when it comes to pass coverage are the corners. Wilson, Pollard, Demeco, Diles, Barber...These are guys who have been around...Heck, even GQ and McCain have played for a whole year...GQ started most of his first year...

Every year, you're probably going to be young at a position or two. It just the revolving door that is the NFL. You can only use that as an excuse for so long. When a majority of your team has grown up, it's time to get'r done.

VTexan
09-27-2010, 06:53 PM
Don't worry guys Champ Bailey is a free agent this off season. Pay HIM Rick!

thunderkyss
09-27-2010, 08:52 PM
The reason Im not sold on this is because we were told by the FO that Kareem was chosen over the alternatives at CB because he was NFL ready. That he would require the least seasoning. His potential may have been lower, but he was ready from day 1. Nick Saban coached defensive back. Etc etc

& we've just got past week 3.

I understand he had some bad plays, but I'm sure he had more good plays than bad.

drewmar74
09-27-2010, 08:55 PM
I would've rather kept Reeves, paid a CB off the street and paid someone to come in to coach KJ up (i.e. an Aaron Glenn) in a one on one situation, than to pay that overpaid, malcontent, Robinson.

You said a mouthful.

I never thought I'd lament the loss of Reeves, but ......

Goatcheese
09-27-2010, 10:12 PM
So, there's no other differences in the lineup other than D-rob and KJ switching out? In three weeks, they faced Manning, Romo and McNabb. Two of those three are likely hall-of-famers (who were our three opponents last year at this point...(Sanchez, Collins and Garrard). I think the opponents were significantly different as well.

The difference in our defense from last year is:

D-Rob -> K-Burnt
Reeves -> McCain
Cushing -> Adibi

So you think that Cushing is a 150+ yards per game difference?

Seriously?

In Dunta's BEST year, he might be as good a coverage guy as KJ. Dunta's well past his best year.

Put the homer glasses down. Step away from the crack pipe.

Brisco_County
09-27-2010, 10:14 PM
Dunta wasn't going to stay here either way. Kareem was our only option. Thread over.

gary
09-27-2010, 10:20 PM
I miss David Carr and Sage news flash they are gone so move on. No, I do not really miss Carr by the way.

Hervoyel
09-27-2010, 11:34 PM
Dunta wasn't going to stay here either way. Kareem was our only option. Thread over.


Well, at the time he wasn't even a gleam in Rick Smith's eye. Consider this. At one point Al "Crypt Keeper" Davis was wanting what was likely a pair of 1's for the right to pay Namdi Asomugha a bunch of money to play for them correct? This guy can shut down Andre Johnson most of the time. I think he's worth the money.

This would effectively put a stop to anyone throwing to his side of your defense and give your other corner (whoever he was) sole possession of free safety help for the foreseeable future. You want to start Petey Faggins blindfolded over there? Feel free.

The 1 that ended up being Kareem Jackson would have already been handed over at this point and we'd still have Ben Tate and all the other picks we got in this draft. We'd owe the Raiders next year's 1 as well but does anyone think this front office can't find players after the first round? They seem to excel at it.

We should have nutted up and nabbed Asomugha the moment the Raiders even considered parting with him. Those guys are uncommon and worth their weight in gold. Coming out every year it looks like there are 4-5 of them and every year teams are lucky if even a couple of those pan out.

Aso was as close to a sure thing as anyone ever sees.

Texecutioner
09-27-2010, 11:37 PM
Dunta wasn't going to stay here either way. Kareem was our only option. Thread over.

This^^^^^

Texecutioner
09-27-2010, 11:44 PM
Well, at the time he wasn't even a gleam in Rick Smith's eye. Consider this. At one point Al "Crypt Keeper" Davis was wanting what was likely a pair of 1's for the right to pay Namdi Asomugha a bunch of money to play for them correct? This guy can shut down Andre Johnson most of the time. I think he's worth the money.

Well we don't really know this for sure. I remember that being a rumor, but I don't remember it ever being fact. And he never did it any way with any team, so I tend to believe that story didn't have much truth to it.

I agree with you that it would have the smart thing to do. I'll trade those pics for a for sure top flight CB that's great one on one and can shut the majority of the league down. That's rare and a 1st round pick is easily worth that if you're only a player or two away. Smith has never dealt high picks for players though other than those two 2nd's for Schaub. He just doesn't do it, and they don't go after high profile free agents either. They typically stay away from making moves like that unfortunately.

Big Lou
09-27-2010, 11:48 PM
I went over to the ATL Boards and they all seem to love him, but most of the posts seem like most of the fans are not near as Football savy as the folks around these parts. Either way they can have him....

Even if Dunta was slightly better than KJ he wasn't worth the cancer he brought to the team. At least KJ has some upside for a whole lot less money and attitude.

TexCanada
09-27-2010, 11:55 PM
Who freakin' cares about Dunta? Whether it was a good or a bad choice to let him go doesn't matter, because he is not on this team right now, and will not be anytime in the future. We knew all along that our secondary would have some pretty bad growing pains, especially with the caliber of quarterbacks we were going to face at the beginning of the year. All this whining is completely useless, and not going to help us at all.

The facts are this: We are 2-1 this year, and at this point last year we were 1-2. Go figure.

Big Lou
09-28-2010, 12:23 AM
Is Molden hurt still?

Maybe they need a shake up. (Understatement of the year) They need to put one of those big corners back at FS, and see what happens. I'm not suggesting Molden as he is a little light and would get hurt to quick, of course he is a ST gunner.....


I like the Troy Nolan experiment idea, but we need something. Hell maybe we should trade for Bennett.

Sure would have liked to have drafted Godfrey now that he's leading the NFL in picks, of course I haven't really see him play, I'm just rambling in agony over our 31st ranked D. Think I'm going to bed now................

kiwitexansfan
09-28-2010, 12:37 AM
I was about as anti-Dunta as anyone on this board was.

I was bagging him when he was everyones favourite Texan.

But even I would take him back (at a reasonable price admittedly) to replace the waste of space that is McCain.

Mr. White
09-28-2010, 12:43 AM
Is Molden hurt still?

Maybe they need a shake up. (Understatement of the year) They need to put one of those big corners back at FS, and see what happens. I'm not suggesting Molden as he is a little light and would get hurt to quick, of course he is a ST gunner.....


I don't think it matters. I think Molden's nothing but a folk tale at this point.

Somebody got this picture off his facebook page. Looks like he's some weight, but he looks like he's developed a mean streak after all those injuries.






If you're a receiver, you better hope Molden don't catch you over the middle.






http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/436gollum-posters.jpg

BigBull17
09-28-2010, 09:52 AM
The problem is on the back end of the defense with our safeties they can't cover and they are always out of position. The corners are playing bump & run coverage way to much and they don't have that type of speed and the safeties are never there to help over the top. The texans need to trade for a better free safety because Bernard Pollard is great against the run and needs help in coverage because he stinks in coverage.

Yeah, its tough when your whole back end, or should I say hole, is a liability in coverage. A SS like Pollard needs a clean up man with range.

Texan_Bill
09-28-2010, 10:05 AM
Put the homer glasses down. Step away from the crack pipe.

Why would you say that? Other than Dumbasses errrrrrrr Dunta's rookie season, what has he done???


NADA!!!




Who needs a bunch of Petey Robinson??

BigBull17
09-28-2010, 10:17 AM
Well, at the time he wasn't even a gleam in Rick Smith's eye. Consider this. At one point Al "Crypt Keeper" Davis was wanting what was likely a pair of 1's for the right to pay Namdi Asomugha a bunch of money to play for them correct? This guy can shut down Andre Johnson most of the time. I think he's worth the money.

This would effectively put a stop to anyone throwing to his side of your defense and give your other corner (whoever he was) sole possession of free safety help for the foreseeable future. You want to start Petey Faggins blindfolded over there? Feel free.

The 1 that ended up being Kareem Jackson would have already been handed over at this point and we'd still have Ben Tate and all the other picks we got in this draft. We'd owe the Raiders next year's 1 as well but does anyone think this front office can't find players after the first round? They seem to excel at it.

We should have nutted up and nabbed Asomugha the moment the Raiders even considered parting with him. Those guys are uncommon and worth their weight in gold. Coming out every year it looks like there are 4-5 of them and every year teams are lucky if even a couple of those pan out.

Aso was as close to a sure thing as anyone ever sees.

I agree with that. After our game, I would ask if Aso could get on our plane an fly home with us. He is worth alot of picks.

HOU-TEX
09-28-2010, 10:19 AM
I miss that major case of the crabs I had in College. :rolleyes:

Texan_Bill
09-28-2010, 10:45 AM
I miss that major case of the crabs I had in College. :rolleyes:

I'm sure the fiery red-head would be glad to hear that!! :lol:

HOU-TEX
09-28-2010, 11:35 AM
I'm sure the fiery red-head would be glad to hear that!! :lol:

How do you think I got them

Just kidding, Dear! *Dodges right hook*

thunderkyss
09-28-2010, 11:19 PM
I wonder if anyone remembers how Cushing looked his first three games.

Definitely not the play maker he was in November & December. He got burned, he got beat. Heck Colt fans were hoping we kept him on Dallas Clark for our second game.

KJ has looked good in some spots, he's got to get consistent. Quins been great, & I mean great.

we'll be all-right.

Texan_Bill
09-29-2010, 09:22 AM
How do you think I got them

Just kidding, Dear! *Dodges right hook*

:spit: Holy shite!! I just shot a snot rocket!!!

GlassHalfFull
09-18-2011, 10:47 PM
Still missing him?

fiasco west
09-18-2011, 10:50 PM
He clearly goes for the head shot, he's getting that reputation. Wouldn't be surprised if he was suspended.

XI CMURDER IX
09-18-2011, 10:52 PM
Do you really, really miss him?

DocBar
09-18-2011, 11:07 PM
Dunta has turned into a pure punk. Good riddance.

Hookem Horns
09-18-2011, 11:12 PM
Do you really, really miss him?

http://twincitiesminnesotablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/019-100x75.jpg

No.

Yankee_In_TX
09-18-2011, 11:16 PM
He clearly goes for the head shot, he's getting that reputation. Wouldn't be surprised if he was suspended.

Shortly thereafter he pushed a ref down trying to get into a scuffle.

Air Canada
09-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Just his reaction after the hit... showed how much of punk he is...:foottap:

Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 11:26 PM
Punk issues aside....he just flat out sucks. I can deal with a punk on my team as long as he's a good baller. Dunta is a punk who's also very mediocre at his position. Like I said before, not signing this guy was one of the best decisions this team ever made.

Carr Bombed
09-18-2011, 11:36 PM
Punk issues aside....he just flat out sucks. I can deal with a punk on my team as long as he's a good baller. Dunta is a punk who's also very mediocre at his position. Like I said before, not signing this guy was one of the best decisions this team ever made.

Again...let me repeat that. Dunta Robinson SUCKS

EllisUnit
09-19-2011, 12:02 AM
and he's giving fives to team mates after that helmet to helmet hit. Hopefully a WR takes hm out low and blows both of his knees out. Then they can give high fives

Pantherstang84
09-19-2011, 12:04 AM
Again...let me repeat that. Dunta Robinson SUCKS

So what is your take on Dunta Robinson?

Carr Bombed
09-19-2011, 12:11 AM
So what is your take on Dunta Robinson?

That second post was after he blew his coverage and gave up a huge play to the Eagles 3rd string QB...but if you really want to know.

Dunta Robinson SUCKS :)

Showtime100
09-19-2011, 12:18 AM
That second post was after he blew his coverage and gave up a huge play to the Eagles 3rd string QB...but if you really want to know.

Dunta Robinson SUCKS :)

That was funny, he was wondering/motioning "where is the help" long before the ball even got there.