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steelbtexan
09-22-2010, 11:24 PM
If Butler plays at a higher level than Brown was playing at for the next 4 wks? I'm very high on Butler and could see this happening.

Last yr I thought moving Brown to LG would've solved the interior OL prblems and was suprised the coaches didn't make the move so they could get their best 5 OL on the field. IMHO

If Butler plays well the next 4 games he could be in line for a big payday this offseason from a team like the Bills or Lions. etc.....

BullsOnParade
09-22-2010, 11:30 PM
Part of me is thinking you're counting your chickens before they hatch, the other part of me is thinking, I hope you're right.

TexansForTheW
09-22-2010, 11:33 PM
If Butler plays at a higher level than Brown was playing at for the next 4 wks? I'm very high on Butler and could see this happening.

Last yr I thought moving Brown to LG would've solved the interior OL prblems and was suprised the coaches didn't make the move so they could get their best 5 OL on the field. IMHO

If Butler plays well the next 4 games he could be in line for a big payday this offseason from a team like the Bills or Lions. etc.....

If Butler plays 4 games and does not give up a sack and the running game continues to be good, then it still won't matter. Duane Brown is our left tackle, and that will not change. Although, I really like that im hearing that Butler has long arms and some quick feet. In his recent interview he talked about technique and if he does that well we shouldn't skip a beat. Something tells me though that Duane is a better athlete and better in run blocking.

steelbtexan
09-22-2010, 11:39 PM
Part of me is thinking you're counting your chickens before they hatch, the other part of me is thinking, I hope you're right.

Just trying to stay positive.

TexansFanatic
09-22-2010, 11:43 PM
Is this the last year of Butler's contract?

If so, this could be his opportunity for a big payday.

Cjeremy635
09-23-2010, 12:06 AM
Is this the last year of Butler's contract?

If so, this could be his opportunity for a big payday.

IIRC, it is. I think I remember hearing on the radio that this "opportunity" couldn't have come at a better time because this is a contract year for him. It will give him 4 games to show us and the rest of the league what he can do. Personally, I hope the guy shines and shows us that he's the real deal. You're only as strong as your weakest link and if the guy shows us that he has some mad skills, I'd be fine with paying him accordingly and keeping him on the roster.

Wolf6151
09-23-2010, 12:08 AM
IF Butler plays great then I'd have no problem with him keeping the starting job and moving DB to OG, he'd instantly make Studdard expendable. For that reason alone I'm all for it. The problem though is that the Texans are paying DB LT money and we just signed Wade Smith. Maybe we could move DB to RT and trade Winston, or just trade DB for picks. Either way it's an interesting concept that I'm pretty sure Kubiak isn't even considering.

Cjeremy635
09-23-2010, 12:13 AM
IF Butler plays great then I'd have no problem with him keeping the starting job and moving DB to OG, he'd instantly make Studdard expendable. For that reason alone I'm all for it. The problem though is that the Texans are paying DB LT money and we just signed Wade Smith. Maybe we could move DB to RT and trade Winston, or just trade DB for picks. Either way it's an interesting concept that I'm pretty sure Kubiak isn't even considering.

Why would you trade Winston? I like the guy and think he fits our scheme. What's wrong with having quality starters and quality depth? Why would you want to trade that away if we can afford to keep them? I just don't see "glaring" holes that I'd be willing to trade our starters for right now. JMHO

Dutchrudder
09-23-2010, 12:18 AM
IF Butler plays great then I'd have no problem with him keeping the starting job and moving DB to OG, he'd instantly make Studdard expendable. For that reason alone I'm all for it. The problem though is that the Texans are paying DB LT money and we just signed Wade Smith. Maybe we could move DB to RT and trade Winston, or just trade DB for picks. Either way it's an interesting concept that I'm pretty sure Kubiak isn't even considering.

Duane brown is still on his rookie contract. 9 million over 5 years iirc. He's cheap for an LT.

Eddie
09-23-2010, 12:19 AM
I think Butler will do a good Job.....everthing happens for a reason....Go TEXANS!!!!

drs23
09-23-2010, 12:21 AM
IF Butler plays great then I'd have no problem with him keeping the starting job and moving DB to OG, he'd instantly make Studdard expendable. For that reason alone I'm all for it. The problem though is that the Texans are paying DB LT money and we just signed Wade Smith. Maybe we could move DB to RT and trade Winston, or just trade DB for picks. Either way it's an interesting concept that I'm pretty sure Kubiak isn't even considering.

I'm thinking: exactly. They've been through OTAs, mini-camp and training camp. If Butler was sound enough to bump anyone, he'd already done it. See Wade Smith. I'm just hoping he plays soundly enough to keep Matt upright and out of harm's way for a solid month.

Trade Winston?:cutthroat:

GuerillaBlack
09-23-2010, 12:26 AM
IF Butler plays great then I'd have no problem with him keeping the starting job and moving DB to OG, he'd instantly make Studdard expendable. For that reason alone I'm all for it. The problem though is that the Texans are paying DB LT money and we just signed Wade Smith. Maybe we could move DB to RT and trade Winston, or just trade DB for picks. Either way it's an interesting concept that I'm pretty sure Kubiak isn't even considering.

We're not trading Winston. He's probably one of the best RT's in the NFL right now.

TexansFanatic
09-23-2010, 12:30 AM
Just looked up Butler's contract status. He signed a one year contract in April so he's a free agent after this season.

That means if he plays well he'll be looking for a starter's contract and he may well get it.

Aw, the kids grow up so fast.....Before you know it they're leaving the nest.

Wolf6151
09-23-2010, 12:35 AM
I'm all for keeping everyone if Butler plays well, I appreciate quality and depth. The problem is we'd have 6 starters and only 5 starting positions. I doubt the Texans are going to want to pay Brown starting LT money to be a backup OG. At the end of the season Butler would be getting starting LT money as well with a new contract.

I'm pretty sure the point is mute, like drs23 said if Butler was better than Brown he's already had more than enough opportunity to prove it.

Norg
09-23-2010, 01:14 AM
Well maybe he will be the starter ..... if that happens

infantrycak
09-23-2010, 10:46 AM
I doubt the Texans are going to want to pay Brown starting LT money to be a backup OG.

I don't think this will be an issue or that Brown will be moving but Brown is cheap right now at any of the OL positions since he is on a 5 year $9.1 mil total contract. For comparison, Wade Smith who was by no means guaranteed a starting job is on a 4 year $12 mil contract.

Blake
09-23-2010, 10:50 AM
I think Kubiak and co are happy with Duane at LT for the next 10 years with Butler as the swing man.

steelbtexan
09-23-2010, 11:02 AM
I think Kubiak and co are happy with Duane at LT for the next 10 years with Butler as the swing man.

If Butler plays well over the next 4 games he will cost way to much $$$$ to be a swing man. What do you do? Pay Butler and move Brown? Or do you give up a starting quality LT? (Butler and get nothing in return)

I'm pretty sure Dallas,Bears,Bills,Lions would be willing to pony up the $$$ to get a starter at the OT position.

This could become a dilema. IMHO

Jeff S.
09-23-2010, 11:06 AM
I'm just hoping Butler can keep Schaub from getting killed this coming Sunday. And block a little for Arian while he's at it.

infantrycak
09-23-2010, 11:26 AM
If Butler plays well over the next 4 games he will cost way to much $$$$ to be a swing man. What do you do? Pay Butler and move Brown? Or do you give up a starting quality LT? (Butler and get nothing in return)

I'm pretty sure Dallas,Bears,Bills,Lions would be willing to pony up the $$$ to get a starter at the OT position.

This could become a dilema. IMHO

Not sure where all these grandiose assertions about money are coming from. Playing well is one thing but unless Butler comes in and looks like the 2nd coming of Boselli he isn't going to get a $50 mil contract offer.

Blake
09-23-2010, 11:28 AM
If Butler plays well over the next 4 games he will cost way to much $$$$ to be a swing man. What do you do? Pay Butler and move Brown? Or do you give up a starting quality LT? (Butler and get nothing in return)

I'm pretty sure Dallas,Bears,Bills,Lions would be willing to pony up the $$$ to get a starter at the OT position.

This could become a dilema. IMHO

Playing really good for 4 games means he is a instant starter?

He has been a swing tackle this long. I am not worried about him playing lights out and getting a huge contract offer.

CloakNNNdagger
09-23-2010, 11:31 AM
There is one thing that is being overlooked in stats showing that Brown is not a very good run blocker because the run plays are mostly away from his side.

He has become very expertise in the cut block to close off the back on runs to the right side. The Texans have probably recognized his strength and game planned accordingly.

mokalus
09-23-2010, 11:36 AM
Having to worry about who to start come week 7 because of Butler's extraordinary play is a problem I'd love the Texans to have.

infantrycak
09-23-2010, 11:39 AM
Having to worry about who to start come week 7 because of Butler's extraordinary play is a problem I'd love the Texans to have.

Exactly. Let's worry about the money after he has his extraordinary replacement stretch.

steelbtexan
09-23-2010, 11:58 AM
Having to worry about who to start come week 7 because of Butler's extraordinary play is a problem I'd love the Texans to have.

Agreed

I have no grandiose ideas though. It would be nice to be faced with this dilema though.

Goldensilence
09-23-2010, 12:08 PM
Look there's some guys you just pencil in as a starter, barring a high draft pick or a decent amount of money spent on a FA.

Demeco, AJ, and Winston are a few of those types of guys. Did Butler really get a shot during the off-season? Unlikely. Is this an opportunity to replace him? Not likely, but definitely an audition based on the fact he signed a one year contract.

One thing he could pick up on over Brown is be more solid is pass protection. Brown's a great run blocker, but IMO suspect in pass blocking. I think Butler is enough of a veteran and a solid player that the drop off won't be terrible.

I don't think it's likely he gets huge offers, but if he plays well he might garner a mid level deal. Either way having a veteran like him that serves as a swing tackle is really valuable to our roster and it could warrant an actual competition for the spot after this season.

Assuming next season happens.

The1ApplePie
09-23-2010, 12:11 PM
Isn't Marcus McNeil sitting on a couch somewhere right now?

If he can't get a pay day, I don't see Butler getting one either.

steelbtexan
09-23-2010, 12:26 PM
Isn't Marcus McNeil sitting on a couch somewhere right now?

If he can't get a pay day, I don't see Butler getting one either.

Big difference Butler will be an UFA. McNeil is a RFA. Compensation= 1st and 3rd rd draft picks. If I'm not mistaken.

I think if Butler plays well something like 4 yrs 15 mill could be in the offing.

BigBull17
09-23-2010, 01:14 PM
Playing really good for 4 games means he is a instant starter?

He has been a swing tackle this long. I am not worried about him playing lights out and getting a huge contract offer.

Wouldn't be the first time a guy played a short stretch and got a big pay day.

steelbtexan
10-05-2010, 12:20 PM
How would you rate Butlers' play in the 2 game?

He's done a fine job so far. IMHO

In fact the run game seems to have improved.

Hervoyel
10-05-2010, 12:47 PM
At the rate he's going I think he'll be just about solid starter material by the time we have to sit him down and put Brown back in. Then it will take Brown a couple of weeks to get back in the groove.

I really haven't noticed much of a difference with Brown gone and Butler playing. That's something of a compliment right there I believe.

Big Lou
10-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Now its just gonna cost us a fortune to resign him. Maybe we can sign him to a contract and trade him so he can start some where......

Not saying he's the second coming of J. Ogden, but a team would love to have him if he keeps it up!!!

Marcus
10-05-2010, 05:05 PM
Assuming next season happens.

Yeah, who cares. Right now, it turns out we have quality depth at the LT position. Not many teams have that. And this is a long season.

Dutchrudder
10-05-2010, 05:07 PM
Can we trade him to Indy for a good CB? :)

CretorFrigg
10-05-2010, 05:15 PM
If Butler plays 4 games and does not give up a sack and the running game continues to be good, then it still won't matter. Duane Brown is our left tackle, and that will not change. Although, I really like that im hearing that Butler has long arms and some quick feet. In his recent interview he talked about technique and if he does that well we shouldn't skip a beat. Something tells me though that Duane is a better athlete and better in run blocking.

Why won't it matter? Shouldn't the best player be on the field? If Rashad Butler proves himself to be a better player than Brown, Rashad ought to be starting.

Just because Brown makes a fatter paycheck doesn't guarantee him a starting spot.

badboy
10-05-2010, 05:21 PM
Our present Oline needs to play a whole lot better. Brown is the LT and Butler if he excells can re-sign a reasonable offer to play back up. He is in his 5th season. He is at his peak now with only a bit of wiggle room to get much better. Keep in mind the OGs are set and LT will always look better without Studdard next door.

TimeKiller
10-05-2010, 05:36 PM
He's certainly making a name for himself. I'm interested in who coach thinks are the 5 best OL. I'm also interested if that will be the 5 starting players...

Butler - Brown - WSmith - Caldwell - Winston
SSmith -------- Myers -- Brisiel ------------

gary
10-05-2010, 07:42 PM
Brown, Butler, Winston, Caldwell, and Myers. I like it.

Hagar
10-05-2010, 07:48 PM
I don't play a person because of his potential, but in playing the best person at the time. If Butler's the best, then play him.

Number19
10-05-2010, 10:41 PM
Coming out of the Cowboy game, Kubes said that Butler had performed well but he had wanted to see some improvement in that weeks practices and said that he had seen it. I haven't heard his assessment on the Oakland performance or expectations for this week., but he's obviously going to have to ratchet up another notch against the fine Giant pass rush.

Big Lou
10-05-2010, 11:22 PM
Not sure where all these grandiose assertions about money are coming from. Playing well is one thing but unless Butler comes in and looks like the 2nd coming of Boselli he isn't going to get a $50 mil contract offer.

My point about money is that he wants to be a starter, and feels he's good enough to do that. Obviousley almost player should feel that way.

With that said just because something thinks they are good doesn't mean they are. He may want more money than he's worth, he could end up with "Pay me Rick" cleats. That's my point with the whole thing.

If he wants to be a starter and some one offers it, how much is a swing tackle worth per year. I don't know but I'm sure Rick has a number in mind. LT is a valuable position and someone out there is probably willing to pay more than we are...........

Wolf6151
10-06-2010, 12:40 AM
I doubt seriously that it happens but I sure would like to sign Butler now, showcase his abilities during the season, and then trade him for draft picks. A good LT could earn us some really good draft picks or players. I wish Butler the best though cause at this time next year he's probably going to be making 5-10 times what he's making now.

texansdrummer
10-06-2010, 04:46 AM
Regardless, this "situation" is a new experience for our team. I think it's great.....let the chips fall where they may. Butler has the chance of his life right when it matters most. If the end result = him finding his payday with another team next year as a "reward" for some quality service as a Texan-sub, so be it, and welcome back Duane. Seriously.... at least we are actually speculating on second-string guys on our O-line. That is a discussion/concern that is more than welcome.

HJam72
10-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Although it has been mentioned in this thread, some of you don't seem to realize that we can't run effectively to the left side (unless it's a cutback by the RB) with Buttler playing. I still think he should get ample opportunity to prove that he can do it if he is the better pass blocker, being that it's the LT position and all; but, THAT's apparently why Brown is the starter. Brown run blocks better, and in Kube's mind that is what matters most....even at LT.

It's not about money because Brown is on a rookie contract that isn't that expensive really.

It's too early to say it, but I'm leaning toward wanting to start Buttler at LT and Brown at LG.

Norg
10-07-2010, 01:06 AM
maybe we can trade Winston and have him start at RG

who knows what will happen tho i like winston in our system

gary
10-07-2010, 10:05 AM
Winson probably is not going anywhere anytime soon.