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HOU-TEX
09-13-2010, 02:52 PM
I'm just trying to clear this up a bit. Everyone's saying Pollard caused the fumble. Heck, it's even in the stats. When I saw the replay I was under the assumption Wilson caused the fumble by side-swiping the ball out with his shoulder pads.

Did anyone else see what I saw? I still kinda think it was Wilson, but everything I'm reading is making me begin to doubt myself.

Here's a reply. What do y'all think?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091203/2010/REG1/colts@texans#tab:watch

ziggy29
09-13-2010, 02:58 PM
It's really hard to tell -- it looks like the convergence of the two defenders popped it out and you really can't see where.

I love watching these highlights of Foster running and keeping an eye on #44 blasting Colts out of his way.

Ckw
09-13-2010, 02:59 PM
I'm just trying to clear this up a bit. Everyone's saying Pollard caused the fumble. Heck, it's even in the stats. When I saw the replay I was under the assumption Wilson caused the fumble by side-swiping the ball out with his shoulder pads.

Did anyone else see what I saw? I still kinda think it was Wilson, but everything I'm reading is making me begin to doubt myself.

Here's a reply. What do y'all think?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091203/2010/REG1/colts@texans#tab:watch

Good catch man!!

I definitely thought it was Pollard due to the big hit, but you are correct. It is actually Wilson that causes the fumble. When they show the replay, you can see that after Pollard's hit, Collie still has complete control of the ball. It is Wilson's hit on his right side that jars the ball loose. Wilson's shoulder actually catches the ball and pops it out.

Very good observation and rep your way.

JB
09-13-2010, 03:00 PM
When I am watching it, it looks like Pollard hits him first and is trying to strip the ball. When Wilson hits him, it comes out. I would have to credit both, but I think Pollard was mainly responsible.

I am watching on rewind

Link (http://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/game?id=54866&play=3284&icampaign=GR_Free_Clip_nfl)

Ole Miss Texan
09-13-2010, 03:01 PM
No, I thought that at first too. I actually think Wilson completely misses him on the play, hits Pollard instead. Pollard definitely strips the ball out. Keep watching the highlight, they replay it showing it from the endzone camera. Really really tought to tell. Edit - It does look like Wilson's shoulder pad could have helped out but I would still credit Pollard with causing the fumble.

badboy
09-13-2010, 03:02 PM
I saw it as Wilson knocking it loose and I believe the commentators mention it. I had radio on due to being outside but the monitor showed Wilson as the "culprit". He is giving Pollard a good backfield team mate which should really help our youngsters @ CB.

Ckw
09-13-2010, 03:04 PM
No, I thought that at first too. I actually think Wilson completely misses him on the play. Pollard definitely strips the ball out. Keep watching the highlight, they replay it showing it from the endzone camera.

Re-watch the replay from the end zone camera. I'm telling you after Pollard lays into him, Collie still has complete control of the ball. It is after Wilson hits him and luckily gets his shoulder on the ball that the ball pops out.

The Pencil Neck
09-13-2010, 03:04 PM
I thought it was Wilson that caused the fumble but saw that Pollard got the FF. I'm fine with that. It was a close call.

What I didn't like is that Pollard and Wilson didn't block for Quin. They thought he was down and started celebrating when they shoulda been blocking.

Ryan
09-13-2010, 03:04 PM
I think Wilson should have gotten credit for the strip, but if Pollard didn't knock the piss out of him it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

ziggy29
09-13-2010, 03:06 PM
No, I thought that at first too. I actually think Wilson completely misses him on the play. Pollard definitely strips the ball out. Keep watching the highlight, they replay it showing it from the endzone camera.
It looks like Pollard may have already been working the ball loose, but the hit from Wilson (and it looks to me like there was contact) may have helped to finish popping it right out.

The Pencil Neck
09-13-2010, 03:07 PM
It looks like Pollard may have already been working the ball loose, but the hit from Wilson (and it looks to me like there was contact) may have helped to finish popping it right out.

That's what I thought I saw.

gtexan02
09-13-2010, 03:07 PM
No, I thought that at first too. I actually think Wilson completely misses him on the play, hits Pollard instead. Pollard definitely strips the ball out. Keep watching the highlight, they replay it showing it from the endzone camera.

I agree with OMT. You can see Pollards arm come up like he was stripping the ball after he made the hit

Ckw
09-13-2010, 03:08 PM
Correction. I am now changing my vote after watching it a few more times. It is Pollard on the backside that causes the fumble. He absolutely nails Collie then comes up from behind and yanks the ball out.

Absolutely superb play by Pollard. This is why that guy is so valuable. Very smart, tough play.

JB
09-13-2010, 03:08 PM
Again, I think it took the both of them. Pollard has his hand on the ball and is trying to strip, and then Wilson comes along and gives a bit of help.

Ole Miss Texan
09-13-2010, 03:09 PM
Re-watch the replay from the end zone camera. I'm telling you after Pollard lays into him, Collie still has complete control of the ball. It is after Wilson hits him and luckily gets his shoulder on the ball that the ball pops out.

It looks like Pollard may have already been working the ball loose, but the hit from Wilson (and it looks to me like there was contact) may have helped to finish popping it right out.

That's what I see. It wasn't the initial hit from Pollard that causes it, but that he was stripping the ball out. You can see Pollards right arm fly back and the ball come out, it's simultaneous with Wilson's hit too. Regardless, it's boom-boom and a great play all around. I'll put it this way, if the play was under review, there wouldn't be enough to overturn giving Pollard the credit to give it to Wilson. LOL

hobie
09-13-2010, 03:09 PM
6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.... does it much matter... ball came out !! Great hit either way !

TEXANS84
09-13-2010, 03:18 PM
I thought Pollard caused it from the view in the Bullpen, but I may be incorrect.

One thing is for sure, the pads cracked hard on that hit and was very audible from the seats.

Ckw
09-13-2010, 03:18 PM
That's what I see. It wasn't the initial hit from Pollard that causes it, but that he was stripping the ball out. You can see Pollards right arm fly back and the ball come out, it's simultaneous with Wilson's hit too. Regardless, it's boom-boom and a great play all around. I'll put it this way, if the play was under review, there wouldn't be enough to overturn giving Pollard the credit to give it to Wilson. LOL

Agreed. As soon as I made that post to you, I decided to take my own advice and watch it a few more times and saw exactly what you are describing. I missed it the first few times as I was focusing so much on Wilson, but you can see in the replay that neither of the "big" hits caused the fumble. The fumble was caused by Pollard astutely getting behind Collie and stripping the ball out.

Ole Miss Texan
09-13-2010, 03:28 PM
Agreed. As soon as I made that post to you, I decided to take my own advice and watch it a few more times...
LOL. I've watched like 20 times now and think I see something different each time.

HOU-TEX
09-13-2010, 03:31 PM
LOL. I've watched like 20 times now and think I see something different each time.

Yeah, me too. Maybe we'll give them each a .5 FF. ;)

hookinreds
09-13-2010, 03:33 PM
Pollard knocked the piss out of him. The problem with that type of hit is that it causes temporary muscular contraction in your extremities. So by the time Wilson got there Collie's muscles had gone limp and the ball just fell out.

Headline in the Chronicle: Pollard knocks piss out of Collie...Collie's ball drops.

brakos82
09-13-2010, 03:33 PM
Who cares who did it.... it's a FUMBLE!!!

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Rey
09-13-2010, 03:33 PM
I'm just trying to clear this up a bit. Everyone's saying Pollard caused the fumble. Heck, it's even in the stats. When I saw the replay I was under the assumption Wilson caused the fumble by side-swiping the ball out with his shoulder pads.

Did anyone else see what I saw? I still kinda think it was Wilson, but everything I'm reading is making me begin to doubt myself.

Here's a reply. What do y'all think?

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010091203/2010/REG1/colts@texans#tab:watch


I didn't realize so many people were saying it was Pollard. I thought that it was obviously Wilson. I haven't watched the play again but if my memory serves me right, the ball didn't shift with the initial hit by Pollard.....Collie looked to still have good control...It was Wilson who came in and put his hat on the ball which caused the fumble.

I watched the game at home and they are not showing the same angle that was shown on Sunday...It clearly showed Wilson's hat hitting the ball...

But it was likely a combination of what both of them did that made Collie drop it. Without pollard doing what he did and Wilson doing what he did, no fumble...

Teamwork is a good thing.

badboy
09-13-2010, 03:34 PM
I am just so excited that we have two players on the play! Our tackling was much better this game than what I remember from last season.

Pollardized
09-13-2010, 11:40 PM
maybe this happened: Pollard hit him, while collie was desperately trying to squeeze his legs together to stop the flow of piss, wilson was able to reach in and pull the ball loose. it's a fumble and we are all happy!