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Hervoyel
09-13-2010, 01:57 PM
Interesting stuff. So apparently you bring a female reporter around a bunch of athletes and they act inappropriately? Who knew?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a80a6c/article/female-reporter-jets-made-me-very-uncomfortable?module=HP_headlines

So "Woody Johnson" the Jets owner (I can't make fun of that, it's just too easy) says he expects all of his players to act in a professional manner. I hear he's bringing in a man of the cloth to help them control themselves.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/TDJakesLookatTheBooty.gif

I just looked this woman up on Google (I worked 32 hours this weekend on an Exchange server so I might be a little behind the news) and I think I just became the proud owner of a "Woody Johnson". This post ends now before it has to find it's way to the Babe of the Day Thread.

Texan_Bill
09-13-2010, 02:05 PM
Understood. Ines Sainz is that damn HOT!!!

Hardcore Texan
09-13-2010, 02:09 PM
Pics of the reporter:

http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/6278/ines_sainz2.jpg

http://hankstrange.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ines-sainz-3.jpg

Dan B.
09-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Understood. Ines Sainz is that damn HOT!!!

Not to mention she advertises herself as "the world's hottest sports reporter." I have a really difficult time believing she was treated any ruder in the NYJ locker room that at a typical Mexican soccer game.

powerfuldragon
09-13-2010, 02:15 PM
http://hankstrange.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ines-sainz-3.jpg

lord almighty.

ubecool454
09-13-2010, 02:40 PM
Understood. Ines Sainz is that damn HOT!!!

nice butt, nice shape...average to below average looks...but with a body like that she doesn't have beauty queen looks.

Texan_Bill
09-13-2010, 02:40 PM
Not to mention she advertises herself as "the world's hottest sports reporter." I have a really difficult time believing she was treated any ruder in the NYJ locker room that at a typical Mexican soccer game.

Very good point.

The1ApplePie
09-13-2010, 03:07 PM
Her body is ridiculous:doot:

But...

Who wouldn't be uncomfortable around the greatness of the Sanchise?

Dutchrudder
09-13-2010, 03:13 PM
Maybe it's just the picture, but she looks old in the first one. Like 35, had facelift/botox and I'm trying to look 25 kind of old.

The Pencil Neck
09-13-2010, 03:42 PM
Maybe it's just the picture, but she looks old in the first one. Like 35, had facelift/botox and I'm trying to look 25 kind of old.

As a 48 year old man, I'm OK with that.

Hervoyel
09-13-2010, 03:45 PM
As a 48 year old man, I'm OK with that.

Seconded. I'm 45 and I can't think of a single thing to complain about here.

GuerillaBlack
09-13-2010, 03:56 PM
Pics of the reporter:

http://hankstrange.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ines-sainz-3.jpg

nom nom nom

Double Barrel
09-13-2010, 03:58 PM
"Thanks to everyone for their support and concern!" Sainz tweeted Monday. "I already spoke to the NFL and it will be up to them to decide whether or not there will be consequences!!"

What - exactly - happened to her? This little smug tweet by this tart just rubs me the wrong way. It's just so...arrogant and smarmy.

She's a hot female in a male locker room. She cannot compare freakin' soccer players to NFL players. It's just not even close to the same athlete. Soccer players are, like, soft and all, rolling around on the field after getting tripped. NFL players are trained grizzly bears, some like sharks, and others like killer whales. They eat bowls of nails and slam heads into lockers. Soccer player is waiting for his juice box and orange slices. [/sarcasm]

All joking aside, I'd really like to know what she's whining about and what did she expect. I'm not justifying any particular behavior, especially without details, but jeesh, the football locker room is awash in testosterone, gasoline, and napalm. Let's not turn the last bastion of male fury into a Build-a-Bear with roasting marshmallows and rounds of Kum-By-Yah.

Why did she have to be inside the locker room? Why can't the team just have a press room where reporters wait for their subject to be interviewed? Is she really upset because they threw a ball around her?

ArlingtonTexan
09-13-2010, 04:07 PM
http://www.djmick.co.uk/gallery18/ines_sainz_gallo.htm

A high quality gallery of the Mexican sports reporter Ines Sainz Gallo. Before entering the world of sports Ines studied Law at the University of the Valley of Mexico in Quertaro and achieved a Masters Degree. After leaving university she opted for TV presenting instead of law. At The World Cup in Germany 2006 she became very popular with male viewers and sports stars due to her sexy outfits and flirtatious interview techniques. She currently presents Dxtips every Sunday on the Mexican station Aztec 7.

While there is a line that dudes should not cross, but if she is using her looks and attitude to further her career then she problem should expect more borderline stuff than say Shelley Smith.

gtexan02
09-13-2010, 04:11 PM
I generally come to the defense of women in situations where guys use the "we can't help it excuse" but:

1) She obviously uses her sex appeal for her benefit
2) She is known to be flirtatious
3) Nothing actually happened? She just said she was uncomfortable?

She needs to stfu and go away.


Its like when a woman wears a very low cut shirt with her cleavage all exposed and then gets mad when you notice.

ziggy29
09-13-2010, 04:13 PM
While there is a line that dudes should not cross, but if she is using her looks and attitude to further her career then she problem should expect more borderline stuff than say Shelley Smith.

QFT. I'm generally not one who "blames the victim" because of how they dress, but really, if you are *trying* to build your career based on looking like a sex object, why would you be surprised when you are treated like one?

Obviously that would never excuse sexual assault, but if you dress to be noticed, well, don't complain because you were noticed...

Texan_Bill
09-13-2010, 04:18 PM
What - exactly - happened to her? This little smug tweet by this tart just rubs me the wrong way. It's just so...arrogant and smarmy.

She's a hot female in a male locker room. She cannot compare freakin' soccer players to NFL players. It's just not even close to the same athlete. Soccer players are, like, soft and all, rolling around on the field after getting tripped. NFL players are trained grizzly bears, some like sharks, and others like killer whales. They eat bowls of nails and slam heads into lockers. Soccer player is waiting for his juice box and orange slices. [/sarcasm]

All joking aside, I'd really like to know what she's whining about and what did she expect. I'm not justifying any particular behavior, especially without details, but jeesh, the football locker room is awash in testosterone, gasoline, and napalm. Let's not turn the last bastion of male fury into a Build-a-Bear with roasting marshmallows and rounds of Kum-By-Yah.

Why did she have to be inside the locker room? Why can't the team just have a press room where reporters wait for their subject to be interviewed? Is she really upset because they threw a ball around her?

See what Anita Martini started?? :fingergun:

Double Barrel
09-13-2010, 04:20 PM
hmmmm....it appears that the whining came from other members of the media, not necessarily from Ines Sainz.

Here's the CNN version:

New York Jets kick off season facing harassment claim (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/13/new-york-jets-kicks-off-season-facing-harassment-claim/?iref=allsearch) <---link

Sainz, being her own Monday morning quarterback, addressed the concerns in an interview with a TV Azteca reporter, saying while she was embarrassed, she didn't realize it was going to become that big of a deal.

Sainz told her colleague that she did notice that footballs were being thrown her way but, “to be quite honest, it didn’t bother me… I took it as a joke, and none of the footballs actually hit me.”

“It was definitely a joking tone, very amicable," Sainz said, regarding the tone Sanchez had with her. “I wasn’t offended.”

But she did say in the interview that she didn't hear everything said about her - and apparently several other members of the media took the interactions much more seriously. She added perhaps they heard something she hadn't.

“I was surprised to wake up on Sunday and have a call from the NFL , saying that they wanted to talk to me about what had happened at the Jets; and I asked… what happened?" Sainz told TV Azteca. "And they said well there is a pretty powerful accusation of harassment and then it was at that point I realized the magnitude of what had happened. “

The NFL says it’s investigating and The Association for Women in Sports Media says the Jets and the league have been responsive to their concerns. They also say on their website that they plan to hold an educational session for the Jets this week or next.

Could a member of the media from say, Baltimore, have started this "controversy"? :hmmm:

Looks like the NFL is just CYA right now, especially with the mighty Association for Women in Sports Media on this story. Can't upset the sponsors now, can we?...

Rey
09-13-2010, 04:30 PM
Is it harassment if they don't say it directly towards her?


Or is it gossip and hearsay?


Like if I work in an office and me and one of my male co-workers are in the lunch room casually talking and I say "damn, Sally is fine...I'd do her"...But I never actually act on my feelings in any situation pertaining to the work place...

Is that harassment?

MojoMan
09-13-2010, 04:30 PM
She didn't even know there was an issue until someone called her to bring it to her attention.

Political Correctness run amok, episode # 12,967,598.

The Pencil Neck
09-13-2010, 04:38 PM
So guys were flirting with HER and someone ELSE got uncomfortable.

uh... ok...

Blake
09-13-2010, 04:40 PM
A wise man once said...

"GET THE BROAD OFF THE FIELD!!!"

The1ApplePie
09-13-2010, 05:05 PM
No Jet will ever top the Broadway Joe in the akward sexual harassment category.

Poor Suzy Kolber

Dutchrudder
09-13-2010, 05:28 PM
No Jet will ever top the Broadway Joe in the akward sexual harassment category.

Poor Suzy Kolber

Lol, here it is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc65NC44dSk)

Stemp
09-13-2010, 05:43 PM
Acting like a teenage jackass in front of reporters is DUMB and is just asking for trouble, regardless of the situation.

PapaL
09-13-2010, 05:56 PM
More pics for those of us that are visual learners...Google Pics (http://www.google.com/images?q=Ines+Sainz&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=640)

burro
09-13-2010, 06:02 PM
http://hankstrange.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ines-sainz-3.jpg

man. i am going to hell.

HJam72
09-13-2010, 06:17 PM
More pics for those of us that are visual learners...Google Pics (http://www.google.com/images?q=Ines+Sainz&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=640)

Yes, I looked; no, I don't regret it; and, no, she's got NO right to complain unless guys were literally grabbing at her. That tweet/threat she made should in reality get her sued (for some petty amount) just to put her threatening little sex show in its place. Womens' lib. was fine, but now it's womens' RULE.

If she doesn't want to put up with it, she shouldn't be in an NFL locker (dressing) room, and she dang sure shouldn't be selling sex and showing her bare breasts, etc. on the internet..........................yes, they're in the link. :)

ziggy29
09-13-2010, 06:21 PM
Just a question, not intending to start a gender war: Are men even allowed in women's locker rooms to cover sporting events?

ubecool454
09-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Seconded. I'm 45 and I can't think of a single thing to complain about here.

Her mugg is not the greatest...the body is on point. I don't think she will ever have to worry about being "uncomfortable" in another NFL locker room because she won't be invited back. I thought we had killed this locker room problem long ago and why do they have to interview in the locker room anyway? Just wait until the guys get showered and dressed and interview elsewhere. I can find a hotter sports reporter and she better be glad Joe Namath wasn't in that locker room. This chick loves and wants the attention that she is getting.

ubecool454
09-14-2010, 10:45 AM
Just a question, not intending to start a gender war: Are men even allowed in women's locker rooms to cover sporting events?

A big N-O. My bold prediction is ...her next claim to game is nude centerfold if she hasn't done one yet.

Double Barrel
09-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Many of us have seen an NFL locker room with the Texans allowing us to tour via All Access. They are not very big, and I can only imagine the chaos when the entire team is trying to get ready with coaches and trainers and all the craziness that probably goes on in there.

Personally, I think teams should honor the locker room as a sanctuary for players. Why are reporters even allowed in there to begin with? They should keep the press in a meeting room for press conferences and smaller rooms for one-on-one interviews. The last place that big, burly, and mean football players should have to worry about being PC-pansy compliant is the locker room. JMO *grunt*

BigBull17
09-14-2010, 04:06 PM
Maybe it's just the picture, but she looks old in the first one. Like 35, had facelift/botox and I'm trying to look 25 kind of old.

You can't see the face from behind....It's all good from that angle...

JWarren14
09-14-2010, 04:07 PM
Here is the picture of her at the Jets facility:

http://mt.nesn.com/.a/6a0115709f071f970b0134874c9665970c-500wi

JWarren14
09-14-2010, 04:11 PM
A bunch more photos

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/13/sports/photos_galleries/g_ines_sainz/sainz003--350x600.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/hot_mexican_reporter_ines_sainz_Cc1xbPdTuDq7cfETtZ OaDL?photo_num=8

Dread-Head
09-14-2010, 04:12 PM
pics of the reporter:

http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/6278/ines_sainz2.jpg

http://hankstrange.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ines-sainz-3.jpg

Sweet IESVS!!!

Okay as a former DJ I feel I have to dedicate a few songs to the reporter in question. Enjoy.

a. Baby Got Back: Sir-Mix-a-Lot

b. Fat Bottomed Girls: Queen

c. Big Bottom: Spinal Tap

d. Feelin' on Your Booty: R. Kelly

e. Why'd You have to Come Here Lookin' Like That?: Dolly Parton

f. Da Butt: E.U

g. Let's Get it On.: Marvin Gaye

h. Sexy Mutha-#cuker.: Prince

i. Shook You All Night Long: AC/DC

j. Crazy on You: Heart

k. Tonight She Comes: The Cars.

JB
09-14-2010, 04:17 PM
http://fwgnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/101008-ines-sainz1.jpg

Dread-Head
09-14-2010, 04:21 PM
A bunch more photos

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/13/sports/photos_galleries/g_ines_sainz/sainz003--350x600.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/hot_mexican_reporter_ines_sainz_Cc1xbPdTuDq7cfETtZ OaDL?photo_num=8

:wwfsmd:....owwww. I think my ballz just exploded.

The1ApplePie
09-14-2010, 04:43 PM
Now Portis is in trouble for commenting on the situation
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13946293/nfl-portis-remarks-about-newswomen-offensive

WASHINGTON (AP) - Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis, known for his outspoken viewpoints, had plenty to say on the radio Tuesday about women reporters in NFL locker rooms.

The league swiftly condemned his comments as inappropriate and offensive.

Addressing the NFL's investigation of the New York Jets' treatment of TV Azteca reporter Ines Sainz, Portis said that both sides have wandering eyes when the sexes are mixed in such a setting.

"I think you put women reporters in the locker room in position to see guys walking around naked, and you sit in the locker room with 53 guys, and all of the sudden you see a nice woman in the locker room. I think men are going to tend to turn and look and want to say something to that woman," Portis said in his weekly appearance on 106.7 The Fan.

The Jets are being investigated by the NFL after a few players made catcalls directed at Sainz on Saturday while she was waiting to interview quarterback Mark Sanchez. Also, an assistant coach seemed to deliberately throw the ball to players who were near Sainz during a practice drill.

Portis said he wasn't aware of what went on with Sainz, but he offered his opinion on what he considered to be a female reporter's perspective.

"You know, somebody got to spark her interest, or she's going to want somebody. I don't know what kind of woman won't, if you get to go and look at 53 men's (bodies)," Portis said. "I know you're doing a job, but at the same time, the same way I'm going to cut my eye if I see somebody worth talking to, I'm sure they do the same thing."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league quickly addressed the player's remarks with the Redskins.

"The comments are clearly inappropriate, offensive, and have no place in the NFL," he said in an e-mail. "We have contacted the Redskins and they will discuss the matter directly with Mr. Portis."

The Redskins did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

In the past Portis has riled teammates and coaches when speaking his mind. He uncharacteristically stayed out of the spotlight through this year's training camp and preseason, and earlier in his radio appearance he talked about how much he was enjoying his new "low profile."

HJam72
09-14-2010, 05:02 PM
Those words might be offensive to some, BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD, FACTUAL TRUE. Only way they could not be true is if she were too old to have any sex drive at all. You can tell that isn't true by looking at her.

Somebody needs to give Portis a "man" award or something.

Double Barrel
09-14-2010, 05:18 PM
"The comments are clearly inappropriate, offensive, and have no place in the NFL," he said in an e-mail. "We have contacted the Redskins and they will discuss the matter directly with Mr. Portis."

What a bunch of PC mumbo-jumbo poo poo. Seriously???

The NFL - a league representing a brutal sport - sells sex appeal all the time. Just look at the hot pants that cheerleaders wear to every game (and I'm not complaining).

This is just double-standard CYA pansy crap. Goodell is Mr. Nanny "protecting the shield" in order to save the integrity of profits. He's a freakin' puppet.

Props to Clinton Portis for calling it like he sees it, which is probably like 99% of American men see it, as well.

eriadoc
09-14-2010, 05:38 PM
I'm reminded of a joke. What's the difference between a slut and a *****?

I have no idea what the punch line is because I would never condone such jokes. ;)

michaelm
09-14-2010, 05:50 PM
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0901/sports-reporters-ines-sainz-epic-hot-sports-reporter-demotivational-poster-1233164669.jpg

drs23
09-14-2010, 06:33 PM
Yes, I looked; no, I don't regret it; and, no, she's got NO right to complain unless guys were literally grabbing at her. That tweet/threat she made should in reality get her sued (for some petty amount) just to put her threatening little sex show in its place. Womens' lib. was fine, but now it's womens' RULE.

If she doesn't want to put up with it, she shouldn't be in an NFL locker (dressing) room, and she dang sure shouldn't be selling sex and showing her bare breasts, etc. on the internet..........................yes, they're in the link. :)

Where? Which page? I went to 12...

Showtime100
09-14-2010, 06:41 PM
Great Body but an East German steroid face. One bag ought to do it. :spin:

The Pencil Neck
09-14-2010, 06:44 PM
Great Body but an East German steroid face. One bag ought to do it. :spin:

I saw her on an interview and the picture in this thread showing her face really doesn't do her justice and makes her look about 20 years older than she actually does.

Showtime100
09-14-2010, 07:04 PM
I saw her on an interview and the picture in this thread showing her face really doesn't do her justice and makes her look about 20 years older than she actually does.

In that case the bag is for me. No need to kill my chances.

:bag:

Joe Texan
09-14-2010, 07:27 PM
This girl never felt uncomfortable till some other Girl came to her and said OMG I did not believe they said that. It is all a bunch of crap and need absolutely no press. just pictures

Dread-Head
09-14-2010, 07:27 PM
http://fwgnfl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/101008-ines-sainz1.jpg

M0H3K3R! That's the kind of woman whom you hope will give you a fatal heart attack so that your friends will crown you a legend in death.

Drew_Smoke
09-14-2010, 07:29 PM
A bunch more photos

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2010/09/13/sports/photos_galleries/g_ines_sainz/sainz003--350x600.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/hot_mexican_reporter_ines_sainz_Cc1xbPdTuDq7cfETtZ OaDL?photo_num=8

I think I gave her a dollar once at the Colorado...like in '88 or so?

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.....

Dread-Head
09-14-2010, 07:30 PM
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0901/sports-reporters-ines-sainz-epic-hot-sports-reporter-demotivational-poster-1233164669.jpg

If that were a cliff wall...I would want to be the T-Rex fossil embedded in it.

HJam72
09-14-2010, 07:30 PM
M0H3K3R! That's the kind of woman whom you hope will give you a fatal heart attack so that your friends will crown you a legend in death.

Gee, I wonder what that says. :um:

You'd think it was draft day or somethin'. :)

HJam72
09-14-2010, 07:33 PM
Honestly, I think she's overrated anyway. Nice, but overrated.


Now that I think about it, that's the worst thing we could say anyway. That's what she would hate. That, and all the guys in those locker rooms ignoring her like she's just another homely girl.

JB
09-14-2010, 07:39 PM
M0H3K3R! That's the kind of woman whom you hope will give you a fatal heart attack so that your friends will crown you a legend in death.

The dream of all true men. To die coming and going at the same time. She might just help you on your way...

SheTexan
09-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Oh good LORDY!! I gotta chime in on this! FIFTEEN minutes of fame! PERIOD!!

If you go around looking like a SLUT don't be offended when someone says something about you!!

WHY was "Mr Portis" comments inappropriate, offensive, and have no place in the NFL??? You want to be a female SPORTS reporter, take the heat!! This is all BS and really ticks me off! Next step? Lawsuit!! ***** will come out smelling like one!

HJam72
09-14-2010, 07:44 PM
Oh good LORDY!! I gotta chime in on this! FIFTEEN minutes of fame! PERIOD!!

If you go around looking like a SLUT don't be offended when someone says something about you!!

WHY was "Mr Portis" comments inappropriate, offensive, and have no place in the NFL??? You want to be a female SPORTS reporter, take the heat!! This is all BS and really ticks me off! Next step? Lawsuit!! ***** will come out smelling like one!

:bravo:

JB
09-14-2010, 07:56 PM
Oh good LORDY!! I gotta chime in on this! FIFTEEN minutes of fame! PERIOD!!

If you go around looking like a SLUT don't be offended when someone says something about you!!

WHY was "Mr Portis" comments inappropriate, offensive, and have no place in the NFL??? You want to be a female SPORTS reporter, take the heat!! This is all BS and really ticks me off! Next step? Lawsuit!! ***** will come out smelling like one!

Well said Gma!


MSR

powerfuldragon
09-14-2010, 08:34 PM
ITT: everyone overreacts.


she looked fly as hell last night when they showed a clip of an interview with her on MNF ... or was it sportscenter? i don't remember. anyway.. THAT ASS :drool:

SheTexan
09-14-2010, 09:27 PM
ITT: everyone overreacts.


she looked fly as hell last night when they showed a clip of an interview with her on MNF ... or was it sportscenter? i don't remember. anyway.. THAT ASS :drool:

OK!! I know I'm OLD and nowhere near 24, but, what the hell does "she looked fly as hell" mean? I'm serious, I have no idea what you're talking about!:mcnugget:

Honoring Earl 34
09-14-2010, 09:36 PM
OK!! I know I'm OLD and nowhere near 24, but, what the hell does "she looked fly as hell" mean? I'm serious, I have no idea what you're talking about!:mcnugget:

Duh !

http://www.sfsignal.com/mt-static/images/operaFly.jpg

Honoring Earl 34
09-14-2010, 09:37 PM
OK!! I know I'm OLD and nowhere near 24, but, what the hell does "she looked fly as hell" mean? I'm serious, I have no idea what you're talking about!:mcnugget:

ooops

powerfuldragon
09-14-2010, 09:55 PM
OK!! I know I'm OLD and nowhere near 24, but, what the hell does "she looked fly as hell" mean? I'm serious, I have no idea what you're talking about!:mcnugget:

sexy/attractive

TimeKiller
09-14-2010, 10:28 PM
Yeah right. If I was Portis and already had a stake in this I'd go back and tell Gooddell to either quit sending damn good lookin women into the pit of all that is testorone or everyone can get over it when a man lets a lady know what he's thinkin....

BigBull17
09-14-2010, 10:50 PM
If she wants uncomfortable, she could be interviewing Rothlesburger.

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GP
09-15-2010, 01:11 AM
Man, Clinton Portis got taken to the woodshed by Tony Wyllie (Former Texans public relations dude or something like that).

And Portis didn't even say anything BAD, IMO. He was just saying that this lady is not exactly "reporter" material in the atmosphere she goes venturing into.

I swear, the lengths people go to in order to try and make themselves look saintly while tearing down others as being evil is just sickening. I feel sorry for Portis. He usually makes really bad decisions with his words, but this time he has wisdom and he's getting blasted for it.

The Redskins are now embroiled in THIS mess. Which means another distraction to deal with. That's goooood for us Texans fans. We'll take every little edge we can get on each team.

GuerillaBlack
09-15-2010, 01:13 AM
More pics! More pics!

http://img.listal.com/image/867994/600full-ines-sainz.jpg

http://www.photopost.com/photopost/images/600full-ines-sainz.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OveJgXCOExU/TDHd5U4tHcI/AAAAAAAAAWA/FAQoqkBN8pQ/s1600/106115-4.jpg

Yes.

powerfuldragon
09-15-2010, 01:27 AM
http://img.listal.com/image/867994/600full-ines-sainz.jpg
Yes.

all of a sudden i'm hongry.

GP
09-15-2010, 01:29 AM
That's what makes me mad right there.

The crap she's wearing (for jeans) is SOLELY meant to produce ONE FREAKING RESPONSE. Period. Oh, OK. I get it. I'm supposed to listen to her and enjoy her statements? Sure. Yeah. OK. Uh huh. Not. She is bad mojo. Period.

But then get this: Portis, by gawd, is evil for saying what he said? Geez Louise this has got to be a sign of the End Times or something. Up is down, down is up. Left is right, right is left. etc. etc.

So this is how the 2010 NFL season will be remembered. THIS is what people will talk about when they point back to the year of 2010 in terms of what marked the NFL season. This lady. This Big Butt Lady with dee broking eenglish acksceent who says tings in, how you say, ummm...ummm...giggly ways!

Never underestimate the power of the ONE misfit to somehow hijack the only thing left for us guys: NFL football. There's always some jackass out there, or a wife, or a piano recital, or a funeral, that steals that away from us. Never ceases to amaze me.

Is there like a Jackass Event Coordinator at the NFL who is in charge of making sure one year we get Janet Jackson and Justin Timerblake DOOMING all future halftime shows? Does the staffer sit down and decide things such as Big Butt Lady making a scene out of nowhere, over NOTHING of real importance or value to the game itself?

Are there meetings in the league office RIGHT NOW where interns sit around and draw up the next big idea, such as "Hey, OK I got it! How about next year, we put a drunk dude in the stands and have him PUKE, purposefully, on several fans? Huh? Major League Baseball already did that? Seriously? Dang it. I thought that was a good one. Well, crap. NOW what do we do? This job is harder than I thought it would be. All the good ideas are already being used."

GP
09-15-2010, 01:34 AM
Things like this don't happen by themselves. Call me a tinfoil hat guy. I don't care.

That THIS lady came here, and THIS big of a deal is being made, reeks of intent by somebody somewhere.

It's textbook media manipulation to get 15 minutes of fame. Period.

OOOPS! I said "Period" in this thread. Maybe Tony Wyllie will contact me and make me produce a phony, canned statement about how I regret my comments. Yeah, that's what makes everything right: A phony, half-hearted statement of regret for my actions. :barf:

GP
09-15-2010, 01:36 AM
It's all George Bush's fault.

Showtime100
09-15-2010, 06:07 AM
Stop it! Would I kick her out? No, but stop it! - Mike Golic

I just wore out the other side of my pillow. - Stuart Scott

Of course she can dress like that! - B. Obama on The View

But I question the wisdom of it. - B. Obama to NOW hours and miles later.

Better than eating grass in Houston. - P. Manning

[incoherehnt sobs] - Dick Vermeil

I'd hit it. - Jay Mariotti

-------

Meh, I know. But it's 5:00 in the morning and that's all I got. :worldpeace:

TimeKiller
09-15-2010, 09:06 AM
The only thing that made her uncomfortable are those jeans!!!

And the only thing tighter than her jeans....are MY jeans!!!!!!!!

Uh ohz, now I'm ins the trouble.

Clinton Portis is in trouble for appreciating the look of someone who clearly wants the attention, saying "Either I look or you leave" but Jimmy Johnson is in the clear for using his NFL related fame to sell penis pills. "They work for him." I just don't get it.

gtexan02
09-15-2010, 10:12 AM
What exactly did Portis say? That if a woman goes into a locker room and is surrounded by 50 naked male athletes, that she's likely to be attracted to at least one of them?

Is that wrong?

Dread-Head
09-15-2010, 10:16 AM
(whimper)

HOU-TEX
09-15-2010, 10:16 AM
The wife and I were discussing this last night. The fact that men aren't allowed in womens locker rooms was brought up. We came to the conclusion that NO media should be allowed in the locker room. I think a locker room is a lot like Vegas. What happens in a locker room, stays in a locker room. These vultures can get their interviews as the players walk out.

Dread-Head
09-15-2010, 10:19 AM
The wife and I were discussing this last night. The fact that men aren't allowed in womens locker rooms was brought up. We came to the conclusion that NO media should be allowed in the locker room. I think a locker room is a lot like Vegas. What happens in a locker room, stays in a locker room. These vultures can get their interviews as the players walk out.

I agree with you and your wife. I never saw the purpose of reporters IN the locker rooms. Catch them when they come out. I don't want people in my face with microphones when I'm trying to get into the shower.

Ole Miss Texan
09-15-2010, 10:31 AM
I don't have a problem with a female reporter being in the locker room, if they're not it will be a lot harder for them to get an interview. But if they're a credentialed reporter, they've got to be just as professional as anyone else, including the players. They've got to dress appropriately. Maybe she can get away with what she wears at soccer games or wherever, but if she's going to be a guest in an NFL locker room, she should dress like a respectable reporter. This isn't second rate stuff anymore, the NFL is big time... act like you belong there and people will take you seriously.

I don't condone if players/coaches act overly inappropriate but it's like leaving your iPod on the front seat of your car. Chances are someone will see it and break in to get it. She needs to put her ass and boobs in the glove box, so to speak.

And if Portis gets in trouble for that? sheeeet that's just dumb. He's totally legit saying hey there's a chick in there looking at our junk. She might see something she likes.

SheTexan
09-15-2010, 10:54 AM
The NFL allows this stupi*ity, so let the NFL pay for it!

Let me in that damn locker room!! I'll get you dudes all the FOOTBALL info you'll ever want!! Nice little, ooops BIG, old grandma who can sweet talk those players into telling me anything!! I can pat them on the ass, give um a little grandma massage, stroke their massive biceps, and have them purring like little wuzzies!! Just a little grandma TLC!!!:smooch:

GP
09-15-2010, 10:55 AM
I just can't wrap my mind around how THIS lady, wearing what she wears, and being known for how she goes about her business, ends up in the realm of NFL.

It's so bizarre.

Perhaps THE most asinine event to have taken place in the NFL since Boobgate during the Super Bowl when there was a "wardrobe malfunction."

The NFL needs to come up with a conduct policy for all persons who access or enter NFL franchise facilities (such as a locker room). Make them adhere to guidelines, and obviously make sure they wear appropriate attire. That's gonna' include NOT wearing jeans that are painted onto your legs.

Then, you have each franchise designate a Watch Dog person whose sole job is to make sure person with access are going about their business professionally. Will it be tedious? Yes. Will it cause rifts? Yes.

But if I were Portis, I would consider suing the NFL for sexual harassment. Throw it back in their face. Who cares if you lose the case, as long as attention is driven toward the NFL and how it allows people into an area where you're trying to get naked and get a shower after having done your job for your employer.

Times have changed. And yet you've got players like Portis who probably feel they're in a no-win situation. It's a joke. If they have to be all Politically Correct with what they say, then the NFL needs to provide their players with the opportunity to not fall into the traps that are being set by this P.C. environment that's all around us. Don't set guys up to fail, in other words.

It's just wearing me smooth out.

Texan_Bill
09-15-2010, 10:56 AM
More pics! More pics!

http://img.listal.com/image/867994/600full-ines-sainz.jpg

http://www.photopost.com/photopost/images/600full-ines-sainz.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OveJgXCOExU/TDHd5U4tHcI/AAAAAAAAAWA/FAQoqkBN8pQ/s1600/106115-4.jpg

Yes.

Gma, that's "fly as hell!" ^^^^^^ :D

The1ApplePie
09-15-2010, 11:00 AM
Listening to 97.5 on the way to work, Cowherd made a good point about her being professional T&A, not a serious reporter. He also called her an insult to female reporters.

SheTexan
09-15-2010, 11:01 AM
Gma, that's "fly as hell!" ^^^^^^ :D

Sure is a cute dress!!;)

SheTexan
09-15-2010, 11:07 AM
I just can't wrap my mind around how THIS lady, wearing what she wears, and being known for how she goes about her business, ends up in the realm of NFL.

It's so bizarre.

Perhaps THE most asinine event to have taken place in the NFL since Boobgate during the Super Bowl when there was a "wardrobe malfunction."

The NFL needs to come up with a conduct policy for all persons who access or enter NFL franchise facilities (such as a locker room). Make them adhere to guidelines, and obviously make sure they wear appropriate attire. That's gonna' include NOT wearing jeans that are painted onto your legs.

Then, you have each franchise designate a Watch Dog person whose sole job is to make sure person with access are going about their business professionally. Will it be tedious? Yes. Will it cause rifts? Yes.

But if I were Portis, I would consider suing the NFL for sexual harassment. Throw it back in their face. Who cares if you lose the case, as long as attention is driven toward the NFL and how it allows people into an area where you're trying to get naked and get a shower after having done your job for your employer.

Times have changed. And yet you've got players like Portis who probably feel they're in a no-win situation. It's a joke. If they have to be all Politically Correct with what they say, then the NFL needs to provide their players with the opportunity to not fall into the traps that are being set by this P.C. environment that's all around us. Don't set guys up to fail, in other words.

It's just wearing me smooth out.

Tried to rep ya GP, but have to spread rep!

Can't understand why the media is trying to make this chick a victim! Un-freaking-believable to me!

Wish I knew how to reack Clinton Portis! I'd let him know that some females agree with what he had to say.

CloakNNNdagger
09-15-2010, 11:47 AM
She said that she noticed errant footballs kept landing around her forcing players to come near her to retrieve them. Of course if anybody watched Sanchez Monday night it is obvious that those passes landing near the television reporters were probably by accident.:spin:

BigBull17
09-15-2010, 11:55 AM
She said that she noticed errant footballs kept landing around her forcing players to come near her to retrieve them. Of course if anybody watched Sanchez Monday night it is obvious that those passes landing near the television reporters were probably by accident.:spin:

Also, when Sanchez said her dress was cute, it was all innocent. Don't think he bats from that side of the plate...

RazorOye
09-15-2010, 11:56 AM
I thought she told an ESPN Deportes reporter that she was shocked at how much attention she was getting - that she never said that she felt "harrassed"

She didn't report it to anyone.

It was a male reporter that went to the Association for Women in Sports Media (http://blogs.forbes.com/carolinehoward/2010/09/15/ines-sainz-isnt-upset-so-why-is-everyone-else/?boxes=Homepagechannels).

She said on DeporTV:


In my opinion, I never felt I was attacked. I went to the locker room and started to talk about commentary and sports. Another reporter approached me to say he was sorry these things were happening…and that evidently people were making fun of me.

When asked about all this controversy on the Today Show, she said:

I don’t even pay attention.

She's a woman proud of her image and sensuality.

She doesn't sound like she's offended or upset. She doesn't sound like she's threatening litigation over it. At least not now, not yet.

As for the comment earlier about her 15-minutes of fame. She's had a lot more than 15 minutes' worth, worldwide. Because of her image and her sensuality, she's been a global sports reporting staple.

I find it interesting that there are people who are mad at the media for jumping to conclusions - but some of those same people are jumping to conclusions about Inez in this case.

This entire story is being sensationalized. Portis's comments are being sensationalized - frankly, I didn't think his words were all that offensive. I think it was a bit silly. I think there are people who can manage to conduct themselves in a professional manner, even while interviewing nude people.

But is the reaction overblown? I think so.

I think there's a lot of sensationalizing going around this entire story - from the male reporter who went to the AWSM to the Jets front office to the NFL front office to Clinton Portis... and to some in this thread.

I think it's an interesting topic to discuss generally, but the ad hominem attacks on Ines Sainz seem a bit off target.

infantrycak
09-15-2010, 12:02 PM
The wife and I were discussing this last night. The fact that men aren't allowed in womens locker rooms was brought up. We came to the conclusion that NO media should be allowed in the locker room. I think a locker room is a lot like Vegas. What happens in a locker room, stays in a locker room. These vultures can get their interviews as the players walk out.

John Lopez asserted this morning that men are allowed in some female locker rooms and used the WNBA as an example. He also said this is an NFL decision that on game day reporters have guidelines for catching them on the field or in the locker room.

She said that she noticed errant footballs kept landing around her forcing players to come near her to retrieve them. Of course if anybody watched Sanchez Monday night it is obvious that those passes landing near the television reporters were probably by accident.:spin:

McClain said this morning that the incident was instigated by Rex Ryan who encouraged several players including Jason Taylor to throw balls close to her.

Boy people sure are trying to split some hairs on the clothing issue and it's really pretty silly. It's the girl not the clothes. Like this reporter isn't using her assets:

http://cdn4.faniq.com/images/photos/photo_large/15/60215-112.jpg

http://www.myviewsandreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Erin-Andrews.jpg

Double Barrel
09-15-2010, 12:21 PM
Sex appeal sells, and Ines Sainz is obviously a pro at selling it. I don't begrudge her using it, but the double-standard in our society is mind-boggling stupid. She wants to be known for being a "model reporter", but the rest of her media peers seem ready to pounce on anyone that acknowledges her obvious assets.

Let's be honest here: there is only one reason she's well known, and I doubt it's her in-depth analysis of sports and adept interview skills. Sports reporting was not some lifelong pursuit of her dream job (she's got a masters in tax law). I'm sure being a contestant in the Miss Universe beauty pageant led to this current gig.

It's football season, and yet the media is focusing on whether football players should be nude in the freakin' locker room. I think we have warped into Bizarro World, and goofiness now substitutes for intelligence among the media class.

Just curious, but was she only interviewing the player with a Hispanic last name? If so, how come nobody is pointing out her obvious racial preference here?*

:fingergun: *Because hot chicks can't be racists!

GNTLEWOLF
09-15-2010, 08:49 PM
Tried to rep ya GP, but have to spread rep!

Can't understand why the media is trying to make this chick a victim! Un-freaking-believable to me!

Wish I knew how to reack Clinton Portis! I'd let him know that some females agree with what he had to say.

I agree with GP on this as well. I'll rep him for you.

Must spread rep on me too...Geeze!

PapaL
09-15-2010, 08:59 PM
All I gotta say is...the buldge in my pants gets "very uncomfortable" when viewing these pics.

GP
09-16-2010, 08:25 AM
I thought she told an ESPN Deportes reporter that she was shocked at how much attention she was getting - that she never said that she felt "harrassed"

She didn't report it to anyone.

It was a male reporter that went to the Association for Women in Sports Media (http://blogs.forbes.com/carolinehoward/2010/09/15/ines-sainz-isnt-upset-so-why-is-everyone-else/?boxes=Homepagechannels).

She said on DeporTV:



When asked about all this controversy on the Today Show, she said:



She's a woman proud of her image and sensuality.

She doesn't sound like she's offended or upset. She doesn't sound like she's threatening litigation over it. At least not now, not yet.

As for the comment earlier about her 15-minutes of fame. She's had a lot more than 15 minutes' worth, worldwide. Because of her image and her sensuality, she's been a global sports reporting staple.

I find it interesting that there are people who are mad at the media for jumping to conclusions - but some of those same people are jumping to conclusions about Inez in this case.

This entire story is being sensationalized. Portis's comments are being sensationalized - frankly, I didn't think his words were all that offensive. I think it was a bit silly. I think there are people who can manage to conduct themselves in a professional manner, even while interviewing nude people.

But is the reaction overblown? I think so.

I think there's a lot of sensationalizing going around this entire story - from the male reporter who went to the AWSM to the Jets front office to the NFL front office to Clinton Portis... and to some in this thread.

I think it's an interesting topic to discuss generally, but the ad hominem attacks on Ines Sainz seem a bit off target.

Had one dope-head not gone and tried to be a whistle-blower, none of this would be happening right now.

The whistle-blower is the one to blame.

We're just responding to it. Don't go gettin' on our cases about it. We're just fed up with the fallout from this. So we're commenting on the absurdity of it all.

We also feel the NFL and the Redskins are blowing things out of proportion, too. Maybe the Redskins should STHU since they ought to be apologizing about the offensiveness of their team's name: The REDSKINS.

chicagotexan2
09-16-2010, 08:53 AM
Note to Ines. When you proclaim yourself as 'the hottest sports reporter in Mexico' you won't and should not be taken seriously. You just crapped all over your credability. I am not saying the players were right in treating her that way. She has made a career on her looks. She dresses like this for attention and attention is what she got. Now she will get much more attention and exposure for being a victim. Hey Ines you are supposed to be a reporter going into a MENS LOCKER ROOM you are not going out to The Roxy, this is not a tele novela or Sabado Gigante. Some of this is on her, but she doesn't get it which tells me she is arrogant or just plain dumb.

b0ng
09-16-2010, 11:11 AM
Females in the sports media world should all wear burlap sacks and look like my great aunt edna or else they are being "too sexy with it".

The obvious nefarious reporter here is the douche who went to that association trying to speak out on Inez's behalf.

JB
09-16-2010, 11:22 AM
Females in the sports media world should all wear burlap sacks and look like my great aunt edna or else they are being "too sexy with it".

The obvious nefarious reporter here is the douche who went to that association trying to speak out on Inez's behalf.

Exactly! People are over looking the fact that she did not bring this story out, and was surprised when it made the news.

Ole Miss Texan
09-16-2010, 11:28 AM
From reading her tweets (or the translations of them) it sounds completely different than what the media first reports. Surprise surpise huh!?


We have learned that the reporter in question is Ins Sainz of Mexian TV Azteca. She actually tweets about her experience meeting Mark Sanchez and how it went in the Jets Locker room.

Here is a translation of the Spanish Tweets (copies of Tweets can be seen below).

First tweet about Jets She says, “Me muero de incomodidad! Estoy en los lockers de los jets esperando por Mark Sanchez y mientras tratando de no mirar a ningun lado!!

Trans: ”I’m so uncomfortable. I’m in the lockeroon waiting for Mark Sanchez trying not to make eye contact.”

Second Jets tweet, “Solo porq es la unica forma de entrevistarlo previo al partido de el lunes!! Pero demasiada hormona masculina en el entorno!!”

Trans: ”Here because its the only way to interview him(Sanchez) before the game Monday. There is lots of male hormone in this environment.”

Third Jets tweet, “Lo siento pero ni de broma sacaria una foto de esto!! Si ni volteo!! Solo veo el locker de Mark y me quisiera taparme los oidos!!”

Trans: ”I’m sorry, not even joking would I take a picture of this. I don’t even dare to turn around. I all I see is Mark’s locker but still want to cover my eyes.”

Fourth jets tweet, “Mision cumplida!! Mark Sanchez es una gran persona! Muy amable e inteligente!! Maana pueden ver su entrevista en Ritual NFL!!”

Trans: ”Mission ccomplished(interview). Mark Sanchez is a great guy. He is smart and intelligent. You can see his interview tomorrow in Ritual NFL“

Based off the tweets while Sainz was waiting for Sanchez is when the shenanigans went down. She seems more embarrassed than offended, but you never know with just tweets.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/pics_ins_sainz_tweets_about_her_experience_in_new_ york_jets_locker_room/3211810

As little as you can tell what a person means when texting/tweeting etc. It seem to me she was uncomfortable and embarrassed b/c she was in the locker room of a bunch of neckid football players. Not that she was offended by how they were acting.

If I were in the locker room of a bunch of attractive female soccer players I'll admit I would be pretty uncomfortable and slightly embarrassed, particularly if I was the only male. With that said, I would enjoy every minute of it. :)

Dutchrudder
09-16-2010, 11:56 AM
What? Did they force her into the back of a Volkswagen?

Mr. White
09-16-2010, 12:25 PM
McClain said this morning that the incident was instigated by Rex Ryan who encouraged several players including Jason Taylor to throw balls close to her.


I had a lot of respect for him last season, but Rex is really starting to get on my nerves.

The more TV time that guy gets, the more he reminds me of Jerry Glanville. It wouldn't surprise me if his career takes a similar path.

RazorOye
09-16-2010, 02:26 PM
The whistle-blower is the one to blame.

We're just responding to it. Don't go gettin' on our cases about it. We're just fed up with the fallout from this. So we're commenting on the absurdity of it all.


what are you talking about? You quote me but it doesn't sound like you're actually responding to anything I've said.

My point was that the anger directed to Ines, specifically, is off target.

I acknowledged that this is an interesting topic to talk about generally - but if you're going to talk about it I don't understand why all the anger and insults directed at Ms. Sainz when it seems like she's not the one who is sensationalizing this.

You want to go after the male reporter who did it, fine. Cool. I never said he wasn't the one to blame. In fact, I think I pretty much indicated that he was the one to blame.

If, instead of going after him and the fallout, you start making comments about how she's using the event for 15 minutes of fame or an impending lawsuit - that's what I don't understand.

You want to comment on the absurdity of it all? Make a general statement about the predatory media? Cool.

Like I said, I'm not sure what you're so upset about when it looks like we're in agreement about where "blame" for this should be directed.

I don't get it...

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2010, 10:16 AM
International female sports reporters (even those conservatively clothed) are commonly exposed by both players AND fans to what we would consider OVERT sexual harassment. They certainly are aware of how their state of dress or undress affect response to their "presence."

Watch this VIDEO. (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/sbres/76.%24plit/C_67_article_2047652_body_articleblock_0_bodyimage .jpg%3F24%252F03%252F2009%252008%253A28%253A54%253 A531&imgrefurl=http://badjocks.com/blog/2009_03_01_archive.html&usg=__IG0rpd56_9_CvI5bMAP5Wr_ZYAg=&h=298&w=298&sz=109&hl=en&start=20&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=VCzEKvwFH-Vy5M:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnaked%2Bmale%2Breporter%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1) of a reporter with a conservative "presence."

The1ApplePie
09-17-2010, 10:47 AM
Only one thing can make this right:

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Goldensilence
09-17-2010, 12:34 PM
What? Did they force her into the back of a Volkswagen?

Nice Mallrats reference.

Jeezus, that booty just never quits.

IDEXAN
09-17-2010, 04:56 PM
I totally sympathize and agree with Clinton Portis on this situation. This woman is a reporter in name only, what she's really doing is selling T & A,
not sports journalism. Putting women in NFL locker rooms is about as smart as putting them in submarines.

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2010, 09:56 PM
From PFT

NFL plans league-wide training after "unprofessional conduct" by JetsPosted by Michael David Smith on September 17, 2010 6:22 PM ET
The NFL announced today that the league will implement a training program for all 32 teams on proper conduct in the workplace in response to the controversy over the Jets' actions toward a female reporter's presence at practice.

"In reviewing the incident of Saturday, September 11 involving TV Azteca reporter Ines Sainz during the Jets' practice and open locker-room time for the media, the NFL interviewed 17 individuals that were present, including Ms. Sainz," the league said in its announcement. "Commissioner Goodell determined that while there was unprofessional conduct, [Jets owner] Woody Johnson and his staff acted promptly to correct the situation, including a personal apology to Ms. Sainz and arranging a professional education session for the Jets on workplace conduct."

It's no surprise that the league chose Friday evening to make this announcement. As every public relations professional knows, Friday evening is the best time to make an announcement when you know you need to make an announcement but wish the subject you were making the announcement about would just disappear.

But as to the substance of the announcement, the league never specified which individuals were responsible for the "unprofessional conduct." And the announcement said "that the atmosphere was not hostile, that no obscene or lewd comments or gestures were made and that nobody had physical contact with Sainz."

Johnson said in a separate statement that he supports the NFL's actions.

"We've learned from what happened last Saturday, and have reaffirmed our commitment to treat all members of the media with professionalism and respect," Johnson said. "The commissioner has developed a constructive approach that emphasizes education and awareness. I believe what emerges will improve the working relationship between all media and the NFL."

And with that, both Goodell and Johnson will hope this issue quietly goes away.

All this, and all they had to do is require all players to shower with a metal jock strap and a ball in their mouths. Laptops would be supplied to those who were being interviewed.

Sainz doesn't know harrassment VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVeBOCPpGU&feature=related)

RazorOye
09-18-2010, 09:28 AM
Sainz doesn't know harrassment VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVeBOCPpGU&feature=related)

did she ever claim harassment?

Unless I'm missing something, all indications suggest that she didn't.

She didn't even file the report - it was another male reporter.

And when asked, she flatly said - on DeporTV - that she never felt attacked. And a fellow reporter from ESPN Deportes spoke with her - both were covering the Jets - and he said she was shocked at how much attention this was getting considering that she didn't feel threatened.

powerfuldragon
09-18-2010, 09:35 AM
quit caring about this already.

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2010, 01:43 PM
did she ever claim harassment?

Unless I'm missing something, all indications suggest that she didn't.

She didn't even file the report - it was another male reporter.

And when asked, she flatly said - on DeporTV - that she never felt attacked. And a fellow reporter from ESPN Deportes spoke with her - both were covering the Jets - and he said she was shocked at how much attention this was getting considering that she didn't feel threatened.

Sainz INTERVIEW (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/15/ines-sainz-the-woman-who-cried-wolf-whistle/)



The thing I found most interesting is that she essentially said that, even though she had lots of international experience in reporting/interviewing, she felt uncomfortable being in "that" situation, since outside the US it was unusual to make it into a locker room.

Come to think of it, how many male reporters have you seen in female sports locker rooms????

RazorOye
09-18-2010, 02:31 PM
Sainz INTERVIEW (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/15/ines-sainz-the-woman-who-cried-wolf-whistle/)


I listened to the interview you linked - I didn't hear her say that she felt harassed. Like I said, I must be missing something. She said that another reporter came up to her and said that she should be bothered by it and apologized for it - and her reply was that she wasn't paying any attention to it - she was just trying to do her job.

She also said that she wasn't surprised that her 'style' evoked some of those comments/responses and she's not going to change it.

It seemed she felt uncomfortable and perhaps surprised at some aspects.

But not threatened. Not attacked. Not harassed. At least not from what I could tell. Not enough to file a report or threaten a lawsuit or anything that I'm aware of.

As for women in the locker room, during the NCAA tournament both men and women have the same rules of access in the locker room.

There were male reporters in the Stanford women's locker room following their loss to UConn. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ann_killion/09/14/reporters/#ixzz0zcTvIxj4)

And the WNBA has the NBA's policy regarding locker room interviews. Which means males allowed in the female locker rooms.

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2010, 04:24 PM
I listened to the interview you linked - I didn't hear her say that she felt harassed. Like I said, I must be missing something. She said that another reporter came up to her and said that she should be bothered by it and apologized for it - and her reply was that she wasn't paying any attention to it - she was just trying to do her job.

She also said that she wasn't surprised that her 'style' evoked some of those comments/responses and she's not going to change it.

It seemed she felt uncomfortable and perhaps surprised at some aspects.

But not threatened. Not attacked. Not harassed. At least not from what I could tell. Not enough to file a report or threaten a lawsuit or anything that I'm aware of.

As for women in the locker room, during the NCAA tournament both men and women have the same rules of access in the locker room.

There were male reporters in the Stanford women's locker room following their loss to UConn. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ann_killion/09/14/reporters/#ixzz0zcTvIxj4)

And the WNBA has the NBA's policy regarding locker room interviews. Which means males allowed in the female locker rooms.

Spin it as you will, but common sense rather than “political correctness” should factor in all of this somewhere. I have known quite a few male sports reporters over the years. None have ever been sent to cover WNBA locker room interviews. Despite, any “open door policy,” female reporters have routinely been assigned to this task.

Furthermore, in order to afford the female players additional privacy,
the typical female sports locker room is configured entirely differently than men’s locker rooms.

They demonstrate much greater subdivision. There are typically individually curtained private showers, and separate private changing areas, separate locker area, and a separate bathroom with private stalls within. This is in stark contrast to the men’s mostly “open air” locker room arrangements. Women don’t feel like they’re essentially changing in a big room where they need to fear that everyone may be gawking at them, especially if they have a “wardrobe malfunction.”

At this point I am choosing to bow out of this entire controversy, and to leave it to those smarter than me to beat their heads against the wall. I have a problem dealing with self-inflicted (on the part of the NFL policy AND media decisions) contrived issues that defy common sense.

RazorOye
09-18-2010, 04:33 PM
Spin it as you will, but common sense rather than “political correctness” should factor in all of this somewhere.

I'm not trying to spin anything. At least, I don't think I am - how do you think I am trying to spin this differently from what your impression is?

I've said this got out of hand.

I said people made too much out of this.

I said that people are being melodramatic.

I said that people are being too harsh on Portis for making the comments he did.

I think the NFL is overreacting a bit with whatever league wide counseling

I'm saying it's been made a bigger issue than it ever should have and I didn't think it was a big deal at all - not worth sensationalizing, by reporters or pundits or forum goers.

My only point has been that the personal attacks and blame being put on Ines Sainz seems misdirected - she didn't report it, someone else did. She didn't call it harassment, someone else did.

I'm not sure what you think I'm trying to say :shrug:

GP
09-19-2010, 01:54 AM
My point was that the anger directed to Ines, specifically, is off target.

I liken it to wearing a suit made of fresh meat and jumping into a shark tank.

Sharks gonna' do they thang.

Men, when they see a lady like her come strolling through the place in spray-painted on jeans (Hell, man, look at the comments in this thread!) are going to think things and say things. It's nature. It's how men are wired: Visually. Men are visually wired, and women are emotionally wired.

I direct my anger toward her, and rightly so, because she is playing to the BASE instincts of man. Oh, but yet she's a little unclear how anything could have happened at all. Yeah, right.

Of course, with the tools she has...I don't think she could wear ANYTHING that would keep that beehind from showing. So just her presence alone, and then her wardrobe that she wears, is laughable when she begins to play the role of the woman who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.

I mean, you're probably right. She was just doing her job, and things began randomly happening out there. How could anyone have foreseen any of this?

Basically, this is the NFL trying to avoid being hammered by women's groups, sured by women's groups, and they'll take out one of their own players and make him look like he's a creeper if it means the NFL can avoid litigation or any more public issues.

I'm not saying she's asking for it. I don't equate this to "Well, when you dress like THAT you're just asking to get raped." But I do feel that she has a fairly large disregard for professional appearance as it relates to how she dresses and for what function(s) she's dressing for. Want to be a Hooters girl? Go work for Hooters. Want to be a swimsuit model, go for it. Want to be a "reporter?" Then tone down the bun huggers et al.

The Pencil Neck
09-19-2010, 02:35 AM
I liken it to wearing a suit made of fresh meat and jumping into a shark tank.

Sharks gonna' do they thang.

Men, when they see a lady like her come strolling through the place in spray-painted on jeans (Hell, man, look at the comments in this thread!) are going to think things and say things. It's nature. It's how men are wired: Visually. Men are visually wired, and women are emotionally wired.

I direct my anger toward her, and rightly so, because she is playing to the BASE instincts of man. Oh, but yet she's a little unclear how anything could have happened at all. Yeah, right.

Of course, with the tools she has...I don't think she could wear ANYTHING that would keep that beehind from showing. So just her presence alone, and then her wardrobe that she wears, is laughable when she begins to play the role of the woman who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.

I mean, you're probably right. She was just doing her job, and things began randomly happening out there. How could anyone have foreseen any of this?

Basically, this is the NFL trying to avoid being hammered by women's groups, sured by women's groups, and they'll take out one of their own players and make him look like he's a creeper if it means the NFL can avoid litigation or any more public issues.

I'm not saying she's asking for it. I don't equate this to "Well, when you dress like THAT you're just asking to get raped." But I do feel that she has a fairly large disregard for professional appearance as it relates to how she dresses and for what function(s) she's dressing for. Want to be a Hooters girl? Go work for Hooters. Want to be a swimsuit model, go for it. Want to be a "reporter?" Then tone down the bun huggers et al.

The way I read this story (and someone tell me if I have this wrong), this woman makes her money by doing fluff sports pieces and being sexy while she does it. She's not a "real" journalist. She goes to sports events and does titillating TV pieces which aren't that unusual from what I've seen of Mexican TV. She's done sexy pieces like this with NFL players before.

She goes to the Jets to do a piece on Sanchez and during the practice, the players are doing silly things to get closer to her and are flirty with her and she flirts back. She uses her press credentials and goes into locker room... and then plays up the "sexy" by talking about how she's trying to be all demure and avert her eyes because she's "uncomfortable". I don't think she REALLY felt uncomfortable. I think it was part of the act and she's just playing to her audience. "I'm in the locker room with all these sweaty guys and they're so sexy..." It's just part of her game.

But then, some OTHER journalist reads her tweets and saw the guys flirting with her and that OTHER journalist is the one who starts crying about harassment. I haven't seen any interview yet that made me feel like she felt she was being harassed.

So, I'm totally not upset at her. She's just being sexy and doing her thing.

I'm pissed off at the OTHER journalist who got all PC and started crying foul. OK. I'm not really pissed off because I don't care enough about this to be pissed off, but I think it's wrong to blame the woman for this. I blame the person who cried harassment because they're the ones that are turning this into a story. If the woman didn't feel harassed and upset, then there's no harassment and this is a total non-issue.

sakebomb
09-19-2010, 08:35 AM
This has "sex tape release" written all over it. You know, when the person in the sex tape knew nothing about it until it is about to be released. I didn't have a clue who this chick was until a "scandal" popped up. I'm telling you her freaking public relations person put this crap out.

Can we check the stats?

Goggle searches before said "scandal" - 50/day
Goggle searches after said "scandal" - 50000000000000000000000000/day

I'm sure her friend requests on FB went through the roof too. I know this because I'm about to add her. :heart: LOL

sakebomb
09-19-2010, 08:39 AM
I'm sure her friend requests on FB went through the roof too. I know this because I'm about to add her. :heart: LOL

I just checked FB and if her requests went through the roof as I stated above she wasn't that popular to begin with. I think my kids have more "friends".

GP
09-19-2010, 01:40 PM
So, I'm totally not upset at her. She's just being sexy and doing her thing.

I'm pissed off at the OTHER journalist who got all PC and started crying foul. OK. I'm not really pissed off because I don't care enough about this to be pissed off, but I think it's wrong to blame the woman for this. I blame the person who cried harassment because they're the ones that are turning this into a story. If the woman didn't feel harassed and upset, then there's no harassment and this is a total non-issue.

I see her as the bad chili I ate the other day at the local diner.

The reporter who whistleblew is the heartburn.

Do I get pissed off at the heartburn, or the cause of the heartburn?

Without the chili, there would be no heartburn. The heartburn was an after-effect of the chili. Nobody needs to be mad at the after-effect.

Don't buy the chili. And it would be better if the diner would take the chili off the menu to begin with. Don't even give me the option to buy it, because it just destroys my innards.

This lady and her PR person, and maybe even the whistleblower, were all in on this. This isn't a coincidence, IMO.

She needs to keep her schtick in the country where that stuff is not only OK, but is encouraged.

PapaL
09-19-2010, 02:24 PM
I always thought hot chicks were encouraged in this country too...the airhead weather girl...must have my countries mixed up.

GP
09-19-2010, 02:36 PM
I always thought hot chicks were encouraged in this country too...the airhead weather girl...must have my countries mixed up.

Yeah, Latino TV is where this sort of thing is OK.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why the NFL does not have a dress code or code of conduct for reporters and/or other outside personnel who enter an NFL facility.

Organizations need to take notice of this incident and come up with one if they don't already have one in place. If you want a press pass, to get access to my organization's employees, inside my organization, or at my organization's event(s), you must sign an agreement that you will abide by the conduct policy and agree that you can be hauled out of my facility or off my premises if we feel you are in violation.

There's no sense in letting a bimbo (male or female) waltz in and cause the sort of fallout that is happening in the league right now. The NFL has gone an extra step due to this, and much like our own government does, is now creating legislation to train PLAYERS and FRANCHISES how to properly handle a bimbo in inappropriate/unprofessional clothing.

A team's cheerleaders dress scantily, yet they are relegated to being eye candy. A "reporter" who is also dressed questionably is not eye candy. She's to be respected as a journalist. Don't you just love irrational justification and rationalization (throw in semantics, as well, since we're calling this lady a "reporter"). It's so bizarre. This is the world we live in.

The Pencil Neck
09-19-2010, 03:50 PM
I've got no problem with some female reporter dressing sexy and going to interview some guys and flirting with them. Especially if she's an entertainer and not some serious journalist. And to me, this woman is just an entertainer doing her schtick.

I've got a problem with the person who cried harassment because they got uncomfortable when the guys started flirting with this woman.

HJam72
09-19-2010, 04:02 PM
Yeah, I'm not too upset with her. She can still come see me. :shades:

eriadoc
09-20-2010, 12:29 AM
Come to think of it, how many male reporters have you seen in female sports locker rooms????

Sexism is like other -isms: it only works one way.