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barrett
09-13-2010, 03:35 AM
Before you bring up the gorgeous look-off on the Walter TD, hear my point. Did he have some good plays? Yes. Did Jacoby Jones blow it on multiple occasions? Yes. Despite that, this dude can play way better. We could have killed these guys even worse. Kubiak agrees with me. Watch him after the Walter TD. He's immediately in his ear about something. They expect this guy to play at an elite level. He can. We've seen it. He didn't today. He missed two TD's. One to AJ early and the bootleg to Walter as well. I'm not being a negative nancy. I'm just saying think how much better we'll be when he plays the way we all know he can. (http://www.texansbullblog.com/when-schaub-plays-well-too/news/)

Once the euphoria has subsided, try to imagine a Texans team that could have whooped the Colts even worse. This team can be even better. Matt Schaub didnít play his best game. He hasnít looked his best several times during the pre-season either. On the first drive #8 nearly through an interception inside the 5 while trying to squeeze one into Open Daniels. If Bob Sanders doesnít try to take Danielsí head off but goes for the ball instead, it would be his for the taking. The very next play Schaub missed a wide open Andre Johnson on a crossing route for a touchdown, instead, throwing a difficult ball to Jacoby Jones who dropped it. The Texans ended up settling for a field goal. The very next offensive play he under threw Kevin Walter on a sure touchdown. Walter was running wide open down field on a bootleg.

Despite some near turnovers and a missed opportunity for a touchdown on the opening drive, the Texans were imposing their will against the Colts with momentum firmly on their side. Houston led the Texans 13 Ė 0 with 8:25 to go in the 2nd quarter. At that point in the game the Colts had barely managed to cross midfield before settling for yet another punt. Three plays later Matt Schaub make a very poor decision throwing to Andre Johnson who is double covered. Melvin Bullitt Intercepts the ball leading to an eventual Peyton Manning touchdown pass to Reggie Wayne.

HJam72
09-13-2010, 03:50 AM
He did have some pressure on 'im. Our O-line can run block the Colts D a LOT better than they pass block it--see Duane Brown.

UK_Texan
09-13-2010, 04:17 AM
Totally agree with you on that fact that he wasnt performing to the elite level that we know he can do.

But i would much rather him have a slow preseason and first few games and then for him to find his top form back end of the season going through to the playoffs if we get there.

Scooter
09-13-2010, 04:18 AM
i'm not going to argue that schaub had a good day, but he didnt have a bad one either. he went 9 of 17 with about 4 drops (one being a touchdown) and a missed PI, against the best pass rush. schaub's been off on his shorter throws and the interception was a terrible decision, but let's not make something out of nothing when we're finally able to run the ball so well.

hradhak
09-13-2010, 04:36 AM
I agree he had some off plays, but our wide outs didn't help him much. Fortunately we were able to rely on the running game and didn't need him at the end.

Next week we're gonna face a similar pass rush and a better run defense, so we need a solid game from Schaub

CDNTexansFan
09-13-2010, 05:13 AM
Matt definitely didn't have his best game but he also didn't get much of a chance to get back on track after his pick as I believe they only threw about 6 times or so after the interception. Not much chance to get into a groove with such huge stretches between passes.

I will say, the type of INT that Matt threw was typical of his history. I don't expect him to be perfect but he needs to clean up those reads/decisions to take the next step as a quarterback. Andre was never even close to open on his route and those types of plays are potentially backbreaking in the wrong situation as we all know.

Not too worried though. Look for a big game from him next week.

Grid
09-13-2010, 05:23 AM
I think its too early to say.

Its obvious we came into this game with a gameplan. Run it down their throat till they choke, then run it down their throat some more.

It worked... and Schaub wasnt ever really in a situation where he could show off his passing skills. Give him a bit.. let him get warmed up. Next week we will probably see a more balanced offense, since we dont want to run Foster into the ground by week 6, and we wont be trying to keep Peyton Manning on the bench.

Grams
09-13-2010, 06:54 AM
I watched the game on tv, and after the replay I don't think Schaub saw that guy who intercepted. Looked like he was behind AJ when he threw the ball and only made the move to intercept after it was thrown.

thunderkyss
09-13-2010, 07:23 AM
Before you bring up the gorgeous look-off on the Walter TD, hear my point. Did he have some good plays? Yes. Did Jacoby Jones blow it on multiple occasions? Yes. Despite that, this dude can play way better. We could have killed these guys even worse. Kubiak agrees with me. Watch him after the Walter TD. He's immediately in his ear about something. They expect this guy to play at an elite level. He can. We've seen it. He didn't today. He missed two TD's. One to AJ early and the bootleg to Walter as well. I'm not being a negative nancy. I'm just saying think how much better we'll be when he plays the way we all know he can. (http://www.texansbullblog.com/when-schaub-plays-well-too/news/)

I've got mixed feelings about this. I was so worried, that our Defense wasn't going to be able to hold up after our offense looked so inept in the first half, but they answered the call, made it to the 2nd half, when First Down Foster took over.

That ball thrown to Walter off the boot leg, severely underthrown, the ball to AJ on the sideline, severely underthrown. He missed/didn't see a wide open Owen Daniels on several occasions.

He was definitely off, glad it didn't hurt us, and it shows we can win with Orlovsky.

good/bad, six in one hand, etc.. etc... etc..

hradhak
09-13-2010, 07:30 AM
I'm not going to make excuses for Schaub, but he didn't have a chance to redeem himself. I'm hoping that the reason he didn't get the ball to OD when he was wide open was because they haven't played much together for nearly a season. I hope that OD comes back on the radar as a viable target.

SeŮor Stan
09-13-2010, 07:59 AM
Schaub posted a "Vince Young Stat Line". All he does is win.:)

ObsiWan
09-13-2010, 08:03 AM
Before you bring up the gorgeous look-off on the Walter TD, hear my point. Did he have some good plays? Yes. Did Jacoby Jones blow it on multiple occasions? Yes. Despite that, this dude can play way better. We could have killed these guys even worse. Kubiak agrees with me. Watch him after the Walter TD. He's immediately in his ear about something. They expect this guy to play at an elite level. He can. We've seen it. He didn't today. He missed two TD's. One to AJ early and the bootleg to Walter as well. I'm not being a negative nancy. I'm just saying think how much better we'll be when he plays the way we all know he can. (http://www.texansbullblog.com/when-schaub-plays-well-too/news/)

Oh I agree with you. He left at least the two TDs you mentioned out there on the field. Maybe more. The attempt to A.J. that ended up as an INT should have never been thrown; with #80 doubled like that, someone should have had single coverage. In a closer game, we'd all be on his case.

CloakNNNdagger
09-13-2010, 08:38 AM
Schaub was not showing great vision this game. What concerns me more is his show of a weak arm on too many passes. To his credit, there were several KEY drops of totally catchable balls by JJ, OD AND even AJ. We were lucky that our running game afforded overcompensation. And as for the comment of questionable pass protection, esp. by Brown, I have this to say. We always point out in these cases that "it was because of the performance of an elite Freeney." Well, must I point out that today there are too many Dwight Freeneys in the league to casually point to that as an explanation for borderline protection."

TimeKiller
09-13-2010, 08:44 AM
Obviously, he wasn't "Slingin Matty Schaub" but I think the gameplan probably took he and Andre out of a big day. I mean I don't hear any Jarraud Power/Darrelle Revis comparisons for CB v. AJ. With the wild success of Foster, they took a step down and let the kid beat the Colts for them. No doubt about it, AJ and Matty don't give two shits about any numbers other than 1 and 0.

beerlover
09-13-2010, 08:44 AM
I must be getting soft cause I thought Schaub played not a perfect game but a solid game. His maturation along with a much improved OL & run game can only spell good things for Schaub going forward :specnatz:

hradhak
09-13-2010, 09:12 AM
I just saw the throw down the sideline to AJ at the beginning of the 4th quarter on 3rd down. AJ had his receiver beat by at least 2 steps and Schaub way underthrew it. He's gonna have to complete those passes, especially when you have the run working so well that you can work with the play action.

DexmanC
09-13-2010, 09:17 AM
The way I saw it, was that Schaub started the game believing the
win/loss rested on his shoulders. Sure, Arian had an excellent camp
and preseason, but there's no way to know for sure until the bullets
start flying in real games.

When the first half was over, I wondered why we hadn't run the ball
hardly at all. Well, so did most of the Texans' linemen. The second half
showed the team, without a shadow of doubt, that the Texans' offense
no longer is determined solely by what Schaub and the receivers do.

I believe this offense, just realized how potent they can be by sharing
the load.

badboy
09-13-2010, 09:25 AM
I think Schaub managed the game well and did not get spooked as game progressed. He seemed to be in control and in touch with the game plan. It was not the Schaub type performance we got last year but then it did not have to be. For once, the entire team stepped up despite blown plays or blocks. I saw much better tackling and both Oline and the Dline played much better than I expected. My hopes at predicting a win over Colts were well founded. More than anything this was a fun game to watch.

otisbean
09-13-2010, 09:28 AM
Its easy to say he left TDs on the field when you are watching replays on TV. During the game, he doesn't have a ton of time to scan the field as Freeney and Mathis are one of the top pass rushing tandems in the league. You also have to consider what he could see based on the pocket on the given play.

He hit JJ in the hands for what should have been a TD, the under thrown pass to AJ should have been caught (yes he should have lead AJ a bit more), and JJ had a couple other drops. I thought he played well but it wasn't his best game. I don't think the under thrown passes were due to lack of arm strength I think he tried to guide the ball as the WRs were open for big plays. Game time pressure can do funny things to people. I guarantee Schuab would hit those route in stride 99 out of 100 times in practice.

The pass to AJ looked terrible, but again, whose knows what he saw in the pocket. Perhaps AJ was blocking the defender from Schaub's view.

Kaiser Toro
09-13-2010, 09:32 AM
Schaub did not not need to play well as we saw a mature team having fun yesterday.

Just as we can nitpick Schaub's performance when he was not called upon to make play after play (such as Manning), we can do it to others as well - which I may be doing after a second review of the game. :evil:

If this team is going places get used to other players and units stepping up at the expense of others stat lines.

Hardcore Texan
09-13-2010, 09:36 AM
He just needed to knock the rust off. He managed the game well, he wasn't on fire and it wasn't his best day but he didn't do anything to give the game away. They'll be better days.

If you noticed, Manning didn't look as sharp as he could have either. Several balls that were just barely overthrown, catches his receivers could have made, but pretty difficult ones. Maybe sitting out week 4 of pre-season had some effect in rythm.

gtexan02
09-13-2010, 09:37 AM
Its tough to get into a rhythm when you're only required the throw the ball 15 times a game.

Im not the least bit concerned about Schaub at the moment

hradhak
09-13-2010, 09:38 AM
If anything, it proves that not everyone has to make a play every game. That's why it's a team game.

I have a feeling that we're going to have plenty of games this year where our run output is where it was last year and we have 300+ yards passing and win the game. The key is that if no defense can make us one-dimensional, our offense is going to be very hard to stop.

Goatcheese
09-13-2010, 10:14 AM
I was actually impressed with Schaub's arm strength on the 53 yard PI call. He was 5+ yards behind the LoS and got it 53 yards downfield. To be able to hit Walter in stride would have required Schaub to throw it more than 70 yards from where he was. Elway probably couldn't have done that.

Previously I've seen him struggle to throw the ball 45-50 yards through the air, so chucking it 58+ is a rather nice change, even if it was still underthrown.

If not for a few drops and the PI call he would have had 200+ yards and another TD, so I'm not worried about him at all. What I saw today had more to do with rhythm and timing than anything else.

SheTexan
09-13-2010, 10:21 AM
Schaub posted a "Vince Young Stat Line". All he does is win.:)

Speaking of which.... did you all watch the news when all they could talk about was VINCE YOUNG beat the Raiders! To hell with CJ and the rest of the Titan team!! Same old BS!! Media up sausage butt!!

Sorry, didn't mean to stir off the subject! BUT, not once did I hear MATT SCHAUB beat the Colts!!

Rey
09-13-2010, 10:34 AM
I'm not too worried about Matt...He looked a little shaky and hesitant in the pocket after he got hit a couple of times and threw the pick....

I also don't like how he consistently underthrows Dre on those long routes when he has DB's beat...That's actually a recurring theme for Matt....

The int was a bit troubling...Not sure what he was looking at there...

But, I don't think he has gotten any worse than last year...He is still a very capable QB who can put up chunks of yards if need be...It was the first game of the season against a defense that played in the Superbowl last year...I think he'll be fine and get better as the year goes on...

El Tejano
09-13-2010, 11:05 AM
In my thread titled "I went to the woodshed to get some tools" I mentioned that I was a bit happy that he threw the pick because I felt it kept the team on its toes. Imagine if Schaub did complete a few more passes on that drive and led us to a FG or TD. We could've been up 16-0 or 20-0 and that would be great but, I believe the pressure would've really been on us to keep that lead and most likely we don't go to the Arian Foster rushing well to seal the win.

I will say that the one area I was disappointed in MS was when he threw the pick, it looked as if he got real down on himself. I kept looking at the sideline thinking someone will go talk to him but he just looked out of it. I wonder if that had anything to do with us sticking to the run so much. I guess after reading some of the tthings listed that went on early it may have knocked him out of his game and he was thinking too much.

Whatever it is, he needs to get over it because Redskins got a good pass rush with some pretty good DBs.

I will say that having a good running game is going to be essential because it will keep Matt from getting hurt.

badboy
09-13-2010, 11:11 AM
Speaking of which.... did you all watch the news when all they could talk about was VINCE YOUNG beat the Raiders! To hell with CJ and the rest of the Titan team!! Same old BS!! Media up sausage butt!!

Sorry, didn't mean to stir off the subject! BUT, not once did I hear MATT SCHAUB beat the Colts!!Yeah, I was watching ESPN later to see how they would address the Colts losing and they start off with COlts making a good play and then saying it was 13-0 Texans at the time. How about starting off with "Arian Foster runs Colts RAGGED!"

El Tejano
09-13-2010, 11:24 AM
Yeah, I was watching ESPN later to see how they would address the Colts losing and they start off with COlts making a good play and then saying it was 13-0 Texans at the time. How about starting off with "Arian Foster runs Colts RAGGED!"

NFL Network gave us props. They basically pointed out that we controlled the line of scrimmage and that is why we won.

thunderkyss
09-13-2010, 11:41 AM
Oh I agree with you. He left at least the two TDs you mentioned out there on the field. Maybe more. The attempt to A.J. that ended up as an INT should have never been thrown; with #80 doubled like that, someone should have had single coverage. In a closer game, we'd all be on his case.

That throw is about anticipation. Had Matt been able to anticipate that route, and trusted AJ to be there, it would have been money, just like all last year.

I just hope they get in sync, & soon.

thunderkyss
09-13-2010, 11:44 AM
I was actually impressed with Schaub's arm strength on the 53 yard PI call. He was 5+ yards behind the LoS and got it 53 yards downfield. To be able to hit Walter in stride would have required Schaub to throw it more than 70 yards from where he was. Elway probably couldn't have done that.


That was hardly in stride. KDub had to wait on that ball as well, because he had the defense beat by at least 4 steps. That should have been a TD.

Not trying to pick on Matt, but that was a weak pass.

buddyboy
09-13-2010, 11:50 AM
That was hardly in stride. KDub had to wait on that ball as well, because he had the defense beat by at least 4 steps. That should have been a TD.

Not trying to pick on Matt, but that was a weak pass.

He never said it was in stride. He said, if Schaub HAD been able to throw it to him in stride, it would have been a 70 yard pass from where Schaub was standing.

DexmanC
09-13-2010, 11:50 AM
That was hardly in stride. KDub had to wait on that ball as well, because he had the defense beat by at least 4 steps. That should have been a TD.

Not trying to pick on Matt, but that was a weak pass.

I wouldn't say it was a weak pass, just that it took him all day to release
it. Matt has a habit of taking EXTRA LONG when both he and the
receiver are clearly wide open.

Rey
09-13-2010, 11:56 AM
I wouldn't say it was a weak pass, just that it took him all day to release
it. Matt has a habit of taking EXTRA LONG when both he and the
receiver are clearly wide open.

That, and he generally under throws receivers on deep patterns.

SheTexan
09-13-2010, 11:56 AM
Maybe there's a lot of hesitation on MS part as well as Kubiaks, simply because we DO NOT have a reliable backup! Don't want to get the man hurt this early in the season, we will be doomed!!!! RUN, RUN, RUN the ball and save MS and AJ for November!! J/K but, it's a thought.

powerfuldragon
09-13-2010, 12:00 PM
imagine what it'll be like when both our running and passing games are clicking.. opposing defenses will shit themselves.

Goldensilence
09-13-2010, 12:03 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who thought Schaub was off yesterday. Passing game looked out of sync. The long pass that got PI was short. Saw another pass down the sideline to AJ who had burned the defender was short as well. The int was a really bad decision too.

Really great thing the Oline and Leach, who had a hell of a game, opened up holes in the run game.

I can't believe I am going to say this, our run game, at least for a game picked up the team and put it on its shoulders. I expect however, knowing Matt he'll look at yesterday's game and clean some things up that's within his power.

Man that is SO great to be able to say.

spurstexanstros
09-13-2010, 12:09 PM
I agree that schaub didnt look his sharpest but arent we being a little picky by saying we should have blown them out more...really a team we have only beaten twice. kinda nit picky.

Also, who is the original quote from? A legitimate press source...i hope its not another plug for a blog

speaking of which is it just me or have there been a rise of posters using this as a platform to point people to their own blogs or different message boards. anyone have thoughts on this pattern.? I am not criticizing anyone I am just pointing out a trend.

Hookem Horns
09-13-2010, 12:15 PM
Speaking of which.... did you all watch the news when all they could talk about was VINCE YOUNG beat the Raiders! To hell with CJ and the rest of the Titan team!! Same old BS!! Media up sausage butt!!

Sorry, didn't mean to stir off the subject! BUT, not once did I hear MATT SCHAUB beat the Colts!!

Which media? All I have been seeing is how the Texans beat the Colts. Now I am speaking of national media not local. Are you referring to the local media in Houston??

BTW, I was in Houston on Friday and had to go into a Best Buy. They had a wall of NFL computer stuff like mouse pads, etc. It was ALL Cowboys! I expect that in Austin however in Houston?? How much Texans gear do you think is being sold in Dallas?

barrett
09-13-2010, 12:25 PM
i'm not going to argue that schaub had a good day, but he didnt have a bad one either. he went 9 of 17 with about 4 drops (one being a touchdown) and a missed PI, against the best pass rush. schaub's been off on his shorter throws and the interception was a terrible decision, but let's not make something out of nothing when we're finally able to run the ball so well.

I don't think it's "something out of nothing." The success of the run game doesn't devalue the negative impact of another performance that falls outside the lines of what we've come to expect from Schaub. He didn't play well multiple times during the pre-season. He was making the same kind of errors against Indy. If he hits AJ on the first drive we're up 17 - 0 before the interception. If he doesn't throw the pick there, we're likely up at least 20 - 0.

I've got mixed feelings about this. I was so worried, that our Defense wasn't going to be able to hold up after our offense looked so inept in the first half, but they answered the call, made it to the 2nd half, when First Down Foster took over.

That ball thrown to Walter off the boot leg, severely underthrown, the ball to AJ on the sideline, severely underthrown. He missed/didn't see a wide open Owen Daniels on several occasions.

He was definitely off, glad it didn't hurt us, and it shows we can win with Orlovsky.

good/bad, six in one hand, etc.. etc... etc..

I'm not quite sure that this verifies Orlovsky. Schaub certainly gives us way more chance to win even on a bad day. (See Arizona in '09) You can't be certain Orolvsky makes the other great reads and throws that Matt had Sunday. We have no idea what we'd get out of Dan O' except inconsistency.

Schaub was not showing great vision this game. What concerns me more is his show of a weak arm on too many passes. To his credit, there were several KEY drops of totally catchable balls by JJ, OD AND even AJ. We were lucky that our running game afforded overcompensation. And as for the comment of questionable pass protection, esp. by Brown, I have this to say. We always point out in these cases that "it was because of the performance of an elite Freeney." Well, must I point out that today there are too many Dwight Freeneys in the league to casually point to that as an explanation for borderline protection."

Schaub get's labeled as having a weak arm at times when I think he's actually intentionally underthrowing wide open receivers to insure a reception and not an over throw. A 45 yard reception is a better outcome than an overthrow. Often times guys are so wide open on our deep routes, slowing the route to make the catch can still lead to a TD. Schaub throws an incredibly catchable ball. (One more reason AJ HAS to make that catch along the sideline.)

Its easy to say he left TDs on the field when you are watching replays on TV. During the game, he doesn't have a ton of time to scan the field as Freeney and Mathis are one of the top pass rushing tandems in the league. You also have to consider what he could see based on the pocket on the given play.

He hit JJ in the hands for what should have been a TD, the under thrown pass to AJ should have been caught (yes he should have lead AJ a bit more), and JJ had a couple other drops. I thought he played well but it wasn't his best game. I don't think the under thrown passes were due to lack of arm strength I think he tried to guide the ball as the WRs were open for big plays. Game time pressure can do funny things to people. I guarantee Schuab would hit those route in stride 99 out of 100 times in practice.

The pass to AJ looked terrible, but again, whose knows what he saw in the pocket. Perhaps AJ was blocking the defender from Schaub's view.

I am accounting for the drops. You make a good point about the pressure but that doesn't forgive throwing picks. He got lucky on a couple. Jacoby Jones got lucky he was allowed to stay in the game after the way he played. Want to make it clear that I think he's going to be fine. But he's not "on" for whatever reason so far this season.

I was actually impressed with Schaub's arm strength on the 53 yard PI call. He was 5+ yards behind the LoS and got it 53 yards downfield. To be able to hit Walter in stride would have required Schaub to throw it more than 70 yards from where he was. Elway probably couldn't have done that.

Previously I've seen him struggle to throw the ball 45-50 yards through the air, so chucking it 58+ is a rather nice change, even if it was still underthrown.

If not for a few drops and the PI call he would have had 200+ yards and another TD, so I'm not worried about him at all. What I saw today had more to do with rhythm and timing than anything else.

That suggests to me that he's got to read that, set up and get the ball out quicker then. Why design a play that runs the WR beyond your QB's throwing range?

disaacks3
09-13-2010, 12:27 PM
I listened to Schaub's explanations on 610 this morning - here are his words:

1) The Interception - was a poor decision on his part. One of those passes he wanted back the moment it left his hands.

2) The "underthrow" to AJ on the left sideline - It was an audible called at the line as he knew he'd be getting pressure from the right (due to # mismatch). It was a one receiver route that he purposefully underthrew to let AJ "go up and get it".

He didn't ever answer the question about whether it was poorly run routes or his missed throws for any of the other scenarios.

SheTexan
09-13-2010, 12:45 PM
Which media? All I have been seeing is how the Texans beat the Colts. Now I am speaking of national media not local. Are you referring to the local media in Houston??

BTW, I was in Houston on Friday and had to go into a Best Buy. They had a wall of NFL computer stuff like mouse pads, etc. It was ALL Cowboys! I expect that in Austin however in Houston?? How much Texans gear do you think is being sold in Dallas?


Both, esp local news.

It's that way all over Pasadena/South Houston. Went to WalMart looking for a WHITE tee shirt and found racks and racks of Cowboy and Titans shirts, very little Texan stuff. Would love to believe it's being sold out, but, I don't think so. Been this way every year. WalMart did have some new Texan coolers though, pretty neat.

Went to Academy, an official sponser of the Texans, and they had the absolute WORST display of Texan gear I've ever seen. I was looking for a Texan canopy and Texan chairs, and none were to be found ANYWHERE, I went to 3 diff Academy's. Very poor selection of jerseys and tees also. I complained to the manager and he told me they have a shipment on the way! BS, that's what they say every dang time!

Went to Target and they actually had a Robinson jersey on their rack!! I bout cracked up! My guess is that they dug out all their old stuff and put it out.

Hopefully, we will see some new stuff coming out pretty soon. All it takes is a TEXAN win, and the stores will go nuts.

I have a fav Arts and Craft store here in Pasadena that has some neat Texan stuff. You can sometimes find something unusual that you don't find in the retail stores. They also have a great selection of college stuff. Some Cowboy, NO Titan (yet)!!

Rey
09-13-2010, 12:48 PM
2) The "underthrow" to AJ on the left sideline - It was an audible called at the line as he knew he'd be getting pressure from the right (due to # mismatch). It was a one receiver route that he purposefully underthrew to let AJ "go up and get it".

There were two under thrown deep balls to AJ iirc.

One where it should have been a touchdown if he was led a little more because he had the DB beat by about five yards...

And another one where AJ was covered pretty well...He went up for the ball, had it for a second and then got it knocked out...

Did he specify which one he was talking about?

disaacks3
09-13-2010, 12:58 PM
There were two under thrown deep balls to AJ iirc.

One where it should have been a touchdown if he was led a little more because he had the DB beat by about five yards...

And another one where AJ was covered pretty well...He went up for the ball, had it for a second and then got it knocked out...

Did he specify which one he was talking about? I got the impression he was talking about the one where Schaub rolled out to his left and threw it deep down the left sideline. Aj slowed, turned around and almost had it.

Big Lou
09-13-2010, 01:32 PM
Schaub has had several shaky starts over the last couple of years, only to come back and put up sick stats. The difference this week was that he wasn't forced to because we had an actual running game.

Had push come to shove I think Matt would have kicked some ass.

I'm not worried as th passing game looked good during Preseason. I see no reason to worry.

The Pencil Neck
09-13-2010, 01:46 PM
Schaub has had several shaky starts over the last couple of years, only to come back and put up sick stats. The difference this week was that he wasn't forced to because we had an actual running game.

Had push come to shove I think Matt would have kicked some ass.

I'm not worried as th passing game looked good during Preseason. I see no reason to worry.

^^^ This.

There are going to be days that the passing game just isn't going to be clicking. Schaub may even have some sort of problem with opening days (although he looked pretty good against the Chiefs a few years ago.) But we know what Schaub can do. He'll come around and the passing game will get back on track.

The thing is that we don't have to have the passing game operating at a stellar level in order to move the ball now. This is going to make us a much more consistent team overall.

Brandon420tx
09-13-2010, 02:10 PM
We really didn't use our TE's this game which suprised me since they're usually the ones most open in this offense

HOU-TEX
09-13-2010, 02:15 PM
We really didn't use our TE's this game which suprised me since they're usually the ones most open in this offense

Agreed. OD was thrown to twice and had one catch. Weird

BTW, JJ has got to catch those balls. The one in the endzone was a beautiful pass by Schaub. The short curl route that bounced directly off his chest was horrible. Schaub didn't have his best outing, but there were several dropped balls that'd change his stat line for the better.

TexanSam
09-13-2010, 02:21 PM
Schaub played well enough to win. But it's hard to judge how well he actually played when he only attempted 5 passes in the 2nd half. With Arian Foster going bananas the Texans knew that their best defense against Peyton was to keep him off the field so it was a smart move to call few passing plays until the Colts proved they could stop the run, which they obviously didn't.

As a whole I think they just asked Schaub to manage the game instead of trying to be a game changer yesterday.

Texan_Bill
09-13-2010, 02:29 PM
Agreed. OD was thrown to twice and had one catch. Weird

BTW, JJ has got to catch those balls. The one in the endzone was a beautiful pass by Schaub. The short curl route that bounced directly off his chest was horrible. Schaub didn't have his best outing, but there were several dropped balls that'd change his stat line for the better.

Not to mention that he only attempted 17 passes. To put that into perspective, he attempted 43 passes and 42 passes respectively v. the Colts last season. When was the last time we have seen so few attempts.

Hell, I ain't worried about Schaub. He'll be fine!

HOU-TEX
09-13-2010, 02:35 PM
Not to mention that he only attempted 17 passes. To put that into perspective, he attempted 43 passes and 42 passes respectively v. the Colts last season. When was the last time we have seen so few attempts.

Hell, I ain't worried about Schaub. He'll be fine!

Me neither. Hell, when the big nasties are that hungry.....LET'EM EAT!

Texan_Bill
09-13-2010, 02:41 PM
Me neither. Hell, when the big nasties are that hungry.....LET'EM EAT!

You damn skippy!!

Maddict5
09-13-2010, 06:21 PM
im not worried about schaub either- aj shouldve caught the underthrow & the int was just a forced ball looking for a big play.

this may be hypercritical but the play i was most disappointed about actually was on the first drive 3rd down pass to jacoby that shouldve been caught but on that play aj crosses right in front & is practically wide open (has about two steps on the cb). wouldve been a pitch & catch td. i realise JJ is probably option 1 on that play and aj is supposed to be a clearer but on that play he was wide open and jj had alot of bodies around him (but still shouldve caught it)

Cool
09-13-2010, 07:39 PM
I don't think he at all had a bad game, maybe if he missed more passes or had more interceptions. It was basically the fact that our running game was working really well, so we called that more than passing.

First Post by the way :D

Atl Cav
09-13-2010, 08:00 PM
Most of these comments are the result of pretty accurate observations.

But truthfully, after the last few seasons, do we really need to worry about Matt Scaub?

I have to chuckle. But I guess it is to be expected as fans need to find something to worry about.

This is going to be a fun season. Lets enjoy it!!

axman40
09-13-2010, 08:04 PM
Most of these comments are the result of pretty accurate observations.

But truthfully, after the last few seasons, do we really need to worry about Matt Scaub?

I have to chuckle. But I guess it is to be expected as fans need to find something to worry about.

This is going to be a fun season. Lets enjoy it!!
No, just stay healthy!
:fans:

Lucky
09-13-2010, 08:10 PM
I was actually impressed with Schaub's arm strength on the 53 yard PI call.
Matt was late on what should have been a TD pass.


I'm not quite sure that this verifies Orlovsky.
I'm quite sure that this game does nothing to verify Orlovsky.

Like last year's opener, Matt had a poor game. Unlike last year, it did not matter. While I went into this season feeling that Schaub needed to cut down on his mistakes, I think this game is the exception to what should be a very good season for Matt.

thunderkyss
09-13-2010, 08:53 PM
Most of these comments are the result of pretty accurate observations.

But truthfully, after the last few seasons, do we really need to worry about Matt Scaub?

I have to chuckle. But I guess it is to be expected as fans need to find something to worry about.

This is going to be a fun season. Lets enjoy it!!

I don't think it's "worry about Schaub" so much as worried that he's not ready to start the season. Matt's a slow starter, by proxy that makes this offense a slow starter.

If you're playing the Rams, that may not be a big deal. But when you play the Jags, Arizona, Jets it could be the difference between a win and a loss. Coming out of the half, it would be nice to know that he's ready to go, and doesn't need to warm up again.

It is a little nit picky, but truly, that's where this team needs to be.

thunderkyss
09-13-2010, 09:01 PM
He was definitely off, glad it didn't hurt us, and it shows we can win with Orlovsky.



I'm not quite sure that this verifies Orlovsky.


I'm quite sure that this game does nothing to verify Orlovsky.


Has nothing to do with Orlovsky, just saying, if we can run the ball like that, we may get by with missing Schaub a game or two.

Not that I want that to happen...
if we can win with a bad Schaub, we can win with a good DanO.

Hooston Texan
09-13-2010, 09:45 PM
I remember making a post like this last season after game 1; and maybe the year before. But, at the risk of repetition, here's the deal with Schaub, based on the nine years I've observed him play QB for my two favorite teams:

He always plays poorly in opening games. The next good first game of the season he has will be his first. Well, maybe he did in high school, but it hasn't worked out that way since. Here's the rundown.

2010 (Indy): Definitely one of his lesser performances.
2009 (NYJ): Total clunker as we were woefully unprepared for Rex Ryan's blitz packages.
2008 (at Pitt): Abominable game all around
2007 (KC): Yeah, we won and were all quite excited. But we managed to put up only 13 offensive points against a 4-12 team that was playing without Jared Allen (suspended for multiple DUIs). It only seemed like a good game compared to the five years of David Carr that preceded it.

2003 (Duke): Injured on first series and missed the next two games. Cost him his status as a fringe Heisman candidate.
2002 (Colorado St; this was his breakout season): Played poorly to start the game and then rotated with a true freshman who quickly won over the crowd. When Schaub came back into the game in the second half, he was soundly booed. He then threw a key pick that allowed the Rams to ice the game.
2001 (at Wisconsin): Played terribly in first half, drilling multiple Badgers between the numbers. Yanked. UVA coaches, to this day, use the game as a way to settle down errant young QBs ("Don't hang your head. You should have seen how badly Schaub played at first.").

I was quite worried when the schedule came out--better to start the season in Indy so he could get his bad opener out of the way without hurting our chances to win at home. But, for one of the few times ever in his career (his defense and running game at UVA were pretty miserable), he won despite playing poorly. That's an awesome sign.

He'll get in a groove pretty soon. He always has.

JB
09-13-2010, 09:55 PM
I didn't know that. Thanks for posting the info. Certainly bodes well if Schaub rebounds and we keep running the ball.

swyyyguy
09-13-2010, 10:11 PM
what does that say about our team if schaub can not play to his expected level and we still win?

Texan_Bill
09-13-2010, 10:15 PM
what does that say about our team if schaub can not play to his expected level and we still win?

Exactly!! If a team game plans us to take away a team that can run the ball, how the hell will they stop last years top passing team? If some teams say Schaub / AJ aren't gonna beat us, at least now they have to be concerned with a rushing game..... This is a good thing IMO!

Atl Cav
09-13-2010, 11:20 PM
Great and informative post, Hooston.

Hervoyel
09-13-2010, 11:33 PM
We have all seen Matt Schaub have a lousy first half and then come back and put it together in the second half. We've seen him start out hot and cool off too but that's happened less and less as the years go by. Maturity is wonderful thing in a QB isn't it?

The thing is, he didn't need to do much in the second half so we'll never know if he would have come back out and busted out his Superman cape or not. Arian Foster got the call and frankly against the Colts and with results like we saw yesterday I prefer that. I prefer it to getting into a TD contest with Peyton Manning at this point in time. Right now we beat the Colts by running at them until their defense is a small pile of rubble. Maybe of they spend a ton of time and draft picks on stopping the run then we'll start to see some opportunities in the passing game against them as well. After all, we make a big deal out of playing in the same division with Peyton Manning but they play in the same division with Maurice Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, and now Arian Foster. It looks to me like they are going to have re-think their defensive philosophy if things keep going this way.

RTP2110
09-14-2010, 11:19 AM
Here's something that I thought about that I haven't seen mentioned yet. Do you think that some of Schaub's misreads and hesitations are a product of learning a new system? I know it's not a major overhaul, but we do have a new OC and I'm sure there have been some changes compared to what Kyle was drawing up.

Rey
09-14-2010, 11:22 AM
Yesterday on the radio Kubiak said that the interception was just a miscommunication between the Schaub and Dre...

He said Schaub thought dre was going to come in front of the safety, and he said that Dre actually thought he was in front of the safety...

RTP2110
09-14-2010, 05:50 PM
I wanted to add this about his INT. I thought this is what I saw at the game, but I had to watch the DVR to confirm it. Did anyone notice that on the INT play Andre Johnson was the only player who ran a receiving route on the play? Schaub dropped back to pass, AJ went deep, and the other 9 guys were all blocking. I think that made it really easy for the safety to focus only on AJ and go for the pick.

The Pencil Neck
09-14-2010, 06:02 PM
I wanted to add this about his INT. I thought this is what I saw at the game, but I had to watch the DVR to confirm it. Did anyone notice that on the INT play Andre Johnson was the only player who ran a receiving route on the play? Schaub dropped back to pass, AJ went deep, and the other 9 guys were all blocking. I think that made it really easy for the safety to focus only on AJ and go for the pick.

Yes. This isn't that unusual, though. I thought the idea was that we were running pretty well (although not as well as we were GOING to run) and they expected the safety to bite on the run fake and run up in run support. He didn't. Then we just kept running waiting for them to bring 8-9 into the box to stop it but the Colts kept back to keep AJ from beating them. That was what I thought was going from a strategical standpoint.

But, from what I've heard later, AJ was supposed to break in front of the safety and AJ thought he had but the safety surprised him and got in front of him. (Although I still think the Colts secondary was staying back in fear of AJ and Schaub and not adjusting to Foster.)

gary
09-14-2010, 06:24 PM
Things are only going to be even better when Schaub plays like normal. This is the way I look at it. Scary is the word. GO TEXANS

thunderkyss
09-14-2010, 06:27 PM
The thing is, he didn't need to do much in the second half so we'll never know if he would have come back out and busted out his Superman cape or not. Arian Foster got the call and frankly against the Colts and with results like we saw yesterday I prefer that.

I do agree with this, 100%

However I still believe it is an issue, that he wasn't "ready to play." As hyped as this game was, he should have been ready.

gary
09-14-2010, 06:35 PM
The history for Shaub is like this though and then he finds his groove. I am not worried at all but I will be if he does not look any better this Sunday.

The Pencil Neck
09-14-2010, 06:47 PM
The history for Shaub is like this though and then he finds his groove. I am not worried at all but I will be if he does not look any better this Sunday.

Occasionally, Matt just has a game where things aren't in synch. That's really the problem with most passing oriented teams.

If we really have a decent running game and an offensive coordinator who's not afraid to lean on it, it can really stabilize the team and on days when the passing game isn't clicking, it can keep the whole team from tanking.

gary
09-14-2010, 06:54 PM
Occasionally, Matt just has a game where things aren't in synch. That's really the problem with most passing oriented teams.

If we really have a decent running game and an offensive coordinator who's not afraid to lean on it, it can really stabilize the team and on days when the passing game isn't clicking, it can keep the whole team from tanking.
I just think everything will work out in the long run for us.

Jeff S.
09-14-2010, 07:00 PM
The history for Shaub is like this though and then he finds his groove. I am not worried at all but I will be if he does not look any better this Sunday.

Just remember, Schaub would have looked a lot less bad if Jacoby hadn't let that perfect TD ball go through his hands. And if the O-line had protected better, that ball to AJ wouldn't have been short and that would have been another TD.

Joe Texan
09-14-2010, 07:19 PM
Matt Schaub won a game against the Colts, Go ahead couch coaches and tear this one up as you always do, I am so glad to see yall do it here, on your couches where you belong. Now lets get behind the Texans and go up and beat the Redskins.

HJam72
09-14-2010, 07:24 PM
Just remember, Schaub would have looked a lot less bad if Jacoby hadn't let that perfect TD ball go through his hands. And if the O-line had protected better, that ball to AJ wouldn't have been short and that would have been another TD.

Shshshshshshshshsh. :strangle:


No bashing the O-line this week. :foottap:

JB
09-14-2010, 07:30 PM
Matt Schaub won a game against the Colts, Go ahead couch coaches and tear this one up as you always do, I am so glad to see yall do it here, on your couches where you belong. Now lets get behind the Texans and go up and beat the Redskins.

^^^^^^ This!

Nice post Joe!

thunderkyss
09-14-2010, 08:31 PM
Just remember, Schaub would have looked a lot less bad if Jacoby hadn't let that perfect TD ball go through his hands.

Agreed

gary
09-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Just remember, Schaub would have looked a lot less bad if Jacoby hadn't let that perfect TD ball go through his hands. And if the O-line had protected better, that ball to AJ wouldn't have been short and that would have been another TD.Good point. I agree.

Texan_Bill
09-14-2010, 08:50 PM
Some fans remind me of my ex. She could always find something to ***** about.

The positive thing here is that we had a running game (finally) that could pick our offense up. It's about time that Schaub didn't have to go off for 300 yards and AJ come up with 10 receptions for 140 yards... This is a good thing.

It's football. It's the NFL... Stranger things have happened. As Herv pointed out and reminded us the other day: The Texans once won a game with 47 total yards of offense against Pittsburgh - at Pittsburgh!!

That was a great win, but now it's time to focus in on Washington. I suspect that the offense will be much more balanced and to tell you the truth, I'm not all that worried about their offense. They'll get "theirs" but I think the defense comes up with enough stops for a win...

Joe Texan
09-14-2010, 11:25 PM
If we can keep Hainsworth from stepping on Matts face and keep Arackbo from busting through I believe he will have an exceptional day.

thunderkyss
09-16-2010, 06:24 AM
If we can keep Hainsworth from stepping on Matts face and keep Arackbo from busting through I believe he will have an exceptional day.

we don't need to worry about Haynesworth, I doubt he gets more than 6 snaps.

The Pencil Neck
09-16-2010, 10:44 AM
we don't need to worry about Haynesworth, I doubt he gets more than 6 snaps.

He may get more than that against us. They were putting him in on nickel situations but it really seems like they're just treating him as a situational player at this point.

EDIT: Sorry, that sounded like I was disagreeing with you and I really wasn't. He may get more than 6 snaps but he may not get a LOT more than that and he's not going to be the starter or even their main guy.

thunderkyss
09-16-2010, 11:11 AM
He may get more than that against us. They were putting him in on nickel situations but it really seems like they're just treating him as a situational player at this point.

EDIT: Sorry, that sounded like I was disagreeing with you and I really wasn't. He may get more than 6 snaps but he may not get a LOT more than that and he's not going to be the starter or even their main guy.

I think Shanahan is getting tired of him. Regardless how much they are paying him, if he can't put more effort into his play when he's on the field, he'll be on the bench. Shanahan is giving him plenty of opportunity to prove that he needs to be out there, and Haynesworth is showing that he doesn't.

I think 6 is awful low myself, but if I were Shanahan, after all the pouting and moping Haynesworth did last week, Haynesworth is already starting off on my bad side.

JB
09-16-2010, 11:18 AM
I think Shanahan is getting tired of him. Regardless how much they are paying him, if he can't put more effort into his play when he's on the field, he'll be on the bench. Shanahan is giving him plenty of opportunity to prove that he needs to be out there, and Haynesworth is showing that he doesn't.

I think 6 is awful low myself, but if I were Shanahan, after all the pouting and moping Haynesworth did last week, Haynesworth is already starting off on my bad side.

Fat Albert does not belong on a 3-4 team. He excells in penetrating and disrupting, and that is not what they want in Washington. They wat him to hold his ground and tie up 2 gaps. He wants to explode thru the line. I didn't really see a lack of effort from him, just a lack of execution of what they want him to do.

spurstexanstros
09-19-2010, 08:42 PM
Before you bring up the gorgeous look-off on the Walter TD, hear my point. Did he have some good plays? Yes. Did Jacoby Jones blow it on multiple occasions? Yes. Despite that, this dude can play way better. We could have killed these guys even worse. Kubiak agrees with me. Watch him after the Walter TD. He's immediately in his ear about something. They expect this guy to play at an elite level. He can. We've seen it. He didn't today. He missed two TD's. One to AJ early and the bootleg to Walter as well. I'm not being a negative nancy. I'm just saying think how much better we'll be when he plays the way we all know he can. (http://www.texansbullblog.com/when-schaub-plays-well-too/news/)

497 yards and three td's...but that int put us in the hole bench the guy..... just kidding...I think it was a great performance by Schaub and he showed us alot this week.

Joe Texan
09-19-2010, 09:28 PM
Matt SAchaub Played as well as any QB could play in a hostel enviroment in overtime while bringing us a win. If you can get up off the couch long enough to do 1/3 of what he accomplished today then you can talk but for now SHUT your PIE HOLE



Before you bring up the gorgeous look-off on the Walter TD, hear my point. Did he have some good plays? Yes. Did Jacoby Jones blow it on multiple occasions? Yes. Despite that, this dude can play way better. We could have killed these guys even worse. Kubiak agrees with me. Watch him after the Walter TD. He's immediately in his ear about something. They expect this guy to play at an elite level. He can. We've seen it. He didn't today. He missed two TD's. One to AJ early and the bootleg to Walter as well. I'm not being a negative nancy. I'm just saying think how much better we'll be when he plays the way we all know he can. (http://www.texansbullblog.com/when-schaub-plays-well-too/news/)

spurstexanstros
09-19-2010, 09:41 PM
jt barrett said that last week...I was pointing out that schaub bounce back and had an even better game. one week we are right and the next we are wrong..it happens to all of us. me alot or so my wife says

El Tejano
09-20-2010, 12:30 AM
Maybe this should be like the Mario is a little wuss thread?

Blazin' Toro
09-20-2010, 02:17 AM
This thread kinda makes me giggle, I was driving to the gas station before and I was listening to ESPN Radio and one of the dudes mentioned that the last time two QB's passed for over 400 yards in a game was in 1994 when Drew Bledsoe and Dan Marino did. I don't know, if you ask me those are two pretty amazing QB's to be compared to. Schaub and McNabb (not gonna lie) did very well today.

infantrycak
09-20-2010, 10:48 AM
This thread kinda makes me giggle, I was driving to the gas station before and I was listening to ESPN Radio and one of the dudes mentioned that the last time two QB's passed for over 400 yards in a game was in 1994 when Drew Bledsoe and Dan Marino did. I don't know, if you ask me those are two pretty amazing QB's to be compared to. Schaub and McNabb (not gonna lie) did very well today.

Schaub and McNabb are now 2nd in NFL history for combined passing yards in a game. They missed #1 by 4 yards.

thunderkyss
09-21-2010, 08:34 PM
Matt SAchaub Played as well as any QB could play in a hostel enviroment in overtime while bringing us a win. If you can get up off the couch long enough to do 1/3 of what he accomplished today then you can talk but for now SHUT your PIE HOLE

I think this would have been a totally different ball game, had Matt not thrown that INT on our opening drive. If he could get started early... We may have gone up on them at their place. Our defense gave up 6 points on their opening drive, & the short field gifted to them. We took the lead on our second possession.

Rey
09-21-2010, 08:37 PM
I think this would have been a totally different ball game, had Matt not thrown that INT on our opening drive. If he could get started early... We may have gone up on them at their place. Our defense gave up 6 points on their opening drive, & the short field gifted to them. We took the lead on our second possession.

Didn't they give up 3 points...

And then another 3 after the pick??

gary
09-21-2010, 11:24 PM
Shaub suffered a beating in D.C. and even though he threw for almost 500 yards he still is not in sink yet. Just kidding.

The Pencil Neck
09-22-2010, 01:37 AM
Shaub suffered a beating in D.C. and even though he threw for almost 500 yards he still is not in sink yet. Just kidding.

He may not be in the sink but I bet he was in the tub after that beating. :tiphat: