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pokaholic777
09-07-2010, 04:07 PM
to active roster. Didnt see this posted anywhere, Rookie corner from Texas Tech drafted and cut by the Cowboys. Im a student at Tech and went to the same high school he did so Im pretty pumped that he is going to my favorite NFL team.

drs23
09-07-2010, 04:12 PM
to active roster. Didnt see this posted anywhere, Rookie corner from Texas Tech drafted and cut by the Cowboys. Im a student at Tech and went to the same high school he did so Im pretty pumped that he is going to my favorite NFL team.

Thanks for the heads up and welcome to the board. I was looking at the depth chart yesterday and it seemed a little "cornerback lite".

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2010, 04:18 PM
to active roster. Didnt see this posted anywhere, Rookie corner from Texas Tech drafted and cut by the Cowboys. Im a student at Tech and went to the same high school he did so Im pretty pumped that he is going to my favorite NFL team.

Welcome to the board. We have great reporting on the part of the Chronicle (sarcasm). This transaction went down on 9/5.:cool:

Topher
09-07-2010, 04:21 PM
I think Wall will fit in nice in our secondary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtnTZK_mLWc&feature=related

Marcus
09-07-2010, 04:24 PM
So why was he cut by the Cowboys? Teams usually don't cut any of their draft picks until well after their rookie season?

pokaholic777
09-07-2010, 04:25 PM
I think Wall will fit in nice in our secondary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtnTZK_mLWc&feature=related

I like this one better

LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvExJ2Tn1c&feature=related)

LORK 88
09-07-2010, 04:28 PM
I like the move. Jamar Wall is a very physical corner and fits the Texans defense. He loves coming up in coverage and delivering the big hit so much that he could potentially shift to free safety if need be (see links in above posts). He was a three year starter at Tech so he's well experienced against some top flight WRs. He can get beat deep from time to time and my main knock against the guy is he will get turned around in the wrong direction or be found out of place. However, he is very active in coverage all the way down field and is great at getting a hand in to break up passes. He's also a good character player, he never got in trouble while at Tech (not that I know of).

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2010, 04:34 PM
Overview
One of the more underrated players at his position, Wall was named second-team all-conference after he made 58 tackles, intercepted two passes, broke up 15 others, and forced two fumbles.

Wall had very similar numbers with five interceptions and six pass breakups as a sophomore. As a true freshman he contributed primarily on special teams, but stepped in because of injuries to deflect two passes.

Wall is a good athlete who had a storied high school career where he ran for over 2,000 yards in both his junior and senior seasons.

Though a bit shorter than scouts prefer, Wall's stocky build, athleticism, aggressive play and sure tackling make him a potential starting zone corner in the NFL and worthwhile Saturday draft pick.

Analysis
Read & React: Reads the body language and routes of receivers. Gets too aggressive, biting on pump fakes and double moves, but rarely is fooled twice. Attacks running plays to his side. Gets to other receivers when a teammate loses track of them.

Man Coverage: Coverage skills made opponents wary of throwing at Wall. Usually plays off in press-bail coverage, but he has the long arms and strong arms to be physical with receivers coming off the line. Good backpedal -- stays low and quick. Capable of sticking to his man in coverage on any route. Will be out-muscled downfield by larger receivers. Offenses try to take advantage of his lack of height in the red zone, but he has the vertical to compete against taller receivers.

Zone Coverage: Was left on an island in Tech's defense, but displays headiness and good change-of-direction ability to close on underneath routes.

Closing/Recovery: Reacts to the ball in the air, takes the correct angle when attacking the receiver to separate the ball from its target or secure the tackle. Good recovery speed after biting on double moves, but will resort to bumping receivers instead of trusting his speed.

Run Support: Usually positioned off the line, but does not tackle like a converted running back. Closes on the run quickly and wraps up consistently. Uses long arms and strength to stay clear or rip off most receiver blocks, but forces action inside if he can't disengage.

Tackling: Likes to hit, puts ballcarriers on the ground with a strong shoulder. Generally solid tackling in space, does not need to resort to cut tackling to bring down backs or receivers. Misses tackles occasionally when trying to make a hit. Should be an outstanding special teams gunner because of his speed and aggressiveness.

Intangibles: Does not back down from a challenge. Teammates respect his hard work and coaches trust him to be in the right spot and make the big play. Ran for 477 yards on 20 kickoff returns in 2008 and could get a chance there in training camp because of his strong running style.
LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125863)

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2010, 04:37 PM
So why was he cut by the Cowboys? Teams usually don't cut any of their draft picks until well after their rookie season?

Wall struggled during training camp and preseason games and was behind Cletis Gordon and Bryan McCann, who were also cut. The Cowboys picked Wall in the sixth round of April's draft.
LINK (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/090610dnspocowwall.c4b24829.html)

thunderkyss
09-07-2010, 04:41 PM
LINK (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125863)

The NFL lists him as 5'10" 240. If that's true, with long arms, and cbs' report is solid, I like him.

I thought we were light at CB, and Moulden looks like another Vacant spot as well.

As to why the Cowboys cut him...

obviously not what they are looking for.

Jeff S.
09-07-2010, 04:45 PM
The NFL lists him as 5'10" 240. If that's true, with long arms, and cbs' report is solid, I like him.

240!? I think you must have meant 204. He was listed as 203 on a TT site.

pokaholic777
09-07-2010, 04:46 PM
The NFL lists him as 5'10" 240. If that's true, with long arms, and cbs' report is solid, I like him.

I thought we were light at CB, and Moulden looks like another Vacant spot as well.

As to why the Cowboys cut him...

obviously not what they are looking for.

240? hes around the 200 mark. He played mostly soft zone coverage in college so he had to adapt to playing man coverage in the pros...he has average speed too so he will get beat deep. Hes very physical though and a big time hitter, I think he is better fit for safety but is an above average corner and I can really see him helping out the Texans.

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2010, 04:46 PM
Seemed to have found the answer...........they had him scheduled for the PS. But, ***** happens.



IRVING The Cowboys were forced to redo Sunday their initial plan for a practice squad.

Bryan McCann returned kicks for the Cowboys in the preseason but was signed to Baltimore's 53-man roster. Four players whom the Cowboys released Saturday landed with other teams: cornerbacks Bryan McCann of SMU (Baltimore) and Jamar Wall (Houston), and defensive linemen Marcus Dixon (New York Jets) and Junior Siavii (Seattle ). Only Siavii played for the Cowboys last season, backing up Pro Bowl nose tackle Jay Ratliff.

The Cowboys had offered practice squad spots to McCann and Wall. With their departures, Dallas has four cornerbacks in the organization: Terence Newman , Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick on the 53-man roster, and inexperienced Teddy Williams on the practice squad.

LINK (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/090610dnspocowbriefs.2cfd601.html)

markn
09-07-2010, 04:48 PM
So why was he cut by the Cowboys?

He's also a good character

all you need to know

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2010, 04:54 PM
In 2006, he was listed at 185, so I looked him up on DallasCowboys.com and found him a 202#........much more realistic and visually accurate.LINK (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=252F7980-D9DB-3D0C-016D844D71F15BCB)

Best Asset: The competition Wall saw in college will prepare him more so than maybe any college cornerback heading into the NFL. Wall went head-to-head in practice against former Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree throughout college. Wall said Crabtree has similarities to Dez Bryant, and he said his one-on-one matchups with Crabtree made him a much better cornerback.

You Should Know: The first time Wall primarily played cornerback was at Texas Tech after being a prominent running back in high school. He said he grew tired of being hit all the time and wanted to provide the hits himself. Wall said basketball was always his favorite sport, but he didn't have the height of his older brother, Koy Smith, a former standout basketball player at Texas Tech.

cuppacoffee
09-07-2010, 05:01 PM
"The Cowboys had offered practice squad spots to McCann and Wall. With their departures, Dallas has four cornerbacks in the organization: Terence Newman , Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick on the 53-man roster, and inexperienced Teddy Williams on the practice squad."

So if I am reading this right, Wall turned down the dullass PS in favor of the Texans PS?..:thinking:

More $ ?

Seems like a player would rather remain where he knew the scheme, the coaches and the other players. idonno:

:coffee:

CloakNNNdagger
09-07-2010, 05:04 PM
"The Cowboys had offered practice squad spots to McCann and Wall. With their departures, Dallas has four cornerbacks in the organization: Terence Newman , Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick on the 53-man roster, and inexperienced Teddy Williams on the practice squad."

So if I am reading this right, Wall turned down the dullass PS in favor of the Texans PS?..:thinking:

More $ ?

Seems like a player would rather remain where he knew the scheme, the coaches and the other players. idonno:

:coffee:

No..........The Texans have him listed on the 53........NOT the PS! [BTW, we seem to still have one open PS slot]

Texan4Ever
09-07-2010, 05:07 PM
Wow, did yall hear that *pop* he made on that Jayhawk? Any chance we could slide him over to FS spot next to Pollard?

Marcus
09-07-2010, 05:53 PM
Well, on one side, you have YouTube highlight videos from his college days . . .

. . . and then you have a draft pick who didn't make the team (Cowboys) while 2 UDFAs did.

:hmmm: What's wrong with this guy?

Carr Bombed
09-07-2010, 06:06 PM
I think it was more of a special teams move...

I wasn't that pleased with our kick coverage and special teams play. I think the two players we claimed off waivers will help out alot on special teams.....both of these guys can run and tackle.

ObsiWan
09-07-2010, 06:07 PM
I think it was more of a special teams move...

I wasn't all that pleased with our kick coverage and special teams play. I think the two players we claimed off waivers will both help out alot on special teams.....both of these guys can run and tackle.

That makes sense to me.

painekiller
09-07-2010, 06:07 PM
He played in the Shrine game and stood out. He did a great job in the red zone.

I had him on my late round watch list. Adding him to the group of young DBs we have is a solid signing.

awtysst
09-07-2010, 06:12 PM
Wall struggled during training camp and preseason games and was behind Cletis Gordon and Bryan McCann, who were also cut. The Cowboys picked Wall in the sixth round of April's draft.

Some Folks will never lose a toe and then again some folks will, like Cletus the slack jawed yokel!

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/8251cletus-simpsons.jpg

Its hard to get ahead of this guy on the Dallas depth chart!!!

JB
09-07-2010, 06:37 PM
Well, on one side, you have YouTube highlight videos from his college days . . .

. . . and then you have a draft pick who didn't make the team (Cowboys) while 2 UDFAs did.

:hmmm: What's wrong with this guy?

They made the PS and Dallas wanted to stash him there also..FAIL!

dtran04
09-07-2010, 06:44 PM
A little extra info regarding the Cowboys' defense doesn't hurt either....

The Pencil Neck
09-07-2010, 06:49 PM
They made the PS and Dallas wanted to stash him there also..FAIL!

No.

We nabbed them and put them on our 53.

JB
09-07-2010, 06:53 PM
No.

We nabbed them and put them on our 53.

I was replying to Marcus post that something was wrong with Wall that two UDFA beat him out on the Cowboys. That is not true. Dallas wanted to stash all three players they cut on the PS, but two of them were signed by others. I know we signed Wall to our 53.

PapaL
09-07-2010, 06:59 PM
Will he turn his head and look for the ball? Finding it most times?

If so, I'm good.

The Pencil Neck
09-07-2010, 07:34 PM
I was replying to Marcus post that something was wrong with Wall that two UDFA beat him out on the Cowboys. That is not true. Dallas wanted to stash all three players they cut on the PS, but two of them were signed by others. I know we signed Wall to our 53.

Sorry, misread your response.

thunderkyss
09-07-2010, 07:48 PM
Will he turn his head and look for the ball? Finding it most times?

If so, I'm good.

I'm starting to believe we teach something different than that whole turning your head thing.

painekiller
09-07-2010, 08:26 PM
I'm starting to believe we teach something different than that whole turning your head thing.

And you would be correct. Jack Tatum was on a show one day talking about press coverage and he was saying if you turn your head in the red zone you are beat. The technique is to watch the receivers eyes and rake the arms or punch the ball upwards when the WR starts to bring the ball down.

Tatum said you are never to look back.

Reeves problem was he was a horrible puncher/raker.

ObsiWan
09-07-2010, 08:40 PM
And you would be correct. Jack Tatum was on a show one day talking about press coverage and he was saying if you turn your head in the red zone you are beat. The technique is to watch the receivers eyes and rake the arms or punch the ball upwards when the WR starts to bring the ball down.

Tatum said you are never to look back.

Reeves problem was he was a horrible puncher/raker.

I always figured Jack Tatum's technique was to put the WR on a stretcher early in the 1st qtr

...but I guess that in the process of punching the ball upwards with an uppercut you happen to catch the WR on the chin....
:)

Insideop
09-07-2010, 08:41 PM
No..........The Texans have him listed on the 53........NOT the PS! [BTW, we seem to still have one open PS slot]

I'm thinking/hoping that slot is for Jeremiah Johnson. He ran too well to just cut him.

thunderkyss
09-07-2010, 08:45 PM
And you would be correct. Jack Tatum was on a show one day talking about press coverage and he was saying if you turn your head in the red zone you are beat. The technique is to watch the receivers eyes and rake the arms or punch the ball upwards when the WR starts to bring the ball down.

Tatum said you are never to look back.

Reeves problem was he was a horrible puncher/raker.

One of the Colts games, Quinn got called for a PI in the end-zone, and he did this perfectly, didn't touch the receiver, the only contact, was the receiver flailing his arms around and hitting Quinn.

PapaL
09-07-2010, 08:49 PM
I'm starting to believe we teach something different than that whole turning your head thing.

Minor detail, Minor detail.

They teach that in the Advanced CB 300 course.

I'll gonna develop whiplash showing the tv examples of it.

thunderkyss
09-07-2010, 08:55 PM
Minor detail, Minor detail.

They teach that in the Advanced CB 300 course.

I'll gonna develop whiplash showing the tv examples of it.

How long have we been begging for a CB to turn his head?

Reeves came here actually doing it, but he stopped, for some reason. He's actually left a worse Corner than what he was when he got here.

My opinion.

Vinnie
09-07-2010, 09:29 PM
One of the Colts games, Quinn got called for a PI in the end-zone, and he did this perfectly, didn't touch the receiver, the only contact, was the receiver flailing his arms around and hitting Quinn.

Yep, see bolded area. I'm so sick of biased officials when we play them I could spit. I swear they almost look at Manning before they throw the flag for approval.

TexCanada
09-07-2010, 09:47 PM
Yep, see bolded area. I'm so sick of biased officials when we play them I could spit. I swear they almost look at Manning before they throw the flag for approval.

I'm more sick of the way we look up to the Colts like they are our big brother. Time to put them in their place. We need to make them earn every yard and put a hard hit on them every step of the way.

Vinnie
09-07-2010, 09:56 PM
I'm more sick of the way we look up to the Colts like they are our big brother. Time to put them in their place. We need to make them earn every yard and put a hard hit on them every step of the way.

I get that, and I hope the same. But how many times have we seen a BS call swing the momentum in their favor? No one commands more BS officiating than Manning. Well, maybe Brady. But you get the idea. I'm sure there are Tits and Jags fans that feel the same way.

cuppacoffee
09-07-2010, 10:28 PM
No..........The Texans have him listed on the 53........NOT the PS! [BTW, we seem to still have one open PS slot]

Insert smiley for dooh..:wacko:

:coffee: