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Alex
03-18-2005, 07:52 AM
The Texans, who officially announced the signing of linebacker Frank Chamberlin on Thursday, also might be interested in linebacker Zeke Moreno, who has spent his four-year career in San Diego where he started 16 of 57 games. Moreno finished last season on injured reserve because of a shoulder injury.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3091182

Last year he played only 9 games due to an injury (12 tackles). He played his best season in 2003 :
16 G (13 Starts) 96 TK (79 So, 17 Assist.) 2 Sacks 2 Fum. Forced

keyfro
03-18-2005, 11:11 AM
the more linebackers we sign and bring in the less likely we will be drafting one in this years draft

cadahnic
03-18-2005, 11:14 AM
I disagree. In a 3-4 system like ours we can never have to many linebackers. I just dont understand why we are not looking at some guys other than fillers. I like Anthony Simmons and I dont think he will cost as much as Greenwood. Zeke Moreno is not bad but he is at best a filler and special teams star for us. But maybe he will due for us like Foley did for them

TheOgre
03-18-2005, 11:25 AM
I just dont understand why we are not looking at some guys other than fillers. Because we still need to upgrade our depth. You cannot spend a ton of money on backups in this league, so you try to find quality guys that are usually not impact guys.

Sarg01
03-18-2005, 11:26 AM
the more linebackers we sign and bring in the less likely we will be drafting one in this years draft

I disagree. The more linebackers we look at the more clearly the front office is telling us they're not content with our linebacker situation. Thus the more likely we are to draft someone.

It would be different if these guys were anything more than depth acquisitions, but we don't seem to be looking at that calibre of player.

Vinny
03-18-2005, 11:38 AM
It looks like we are looking at guys a tad quicker than the first combination of Sharper/Foreman. Zeke plays in the 230's as well as Greewood does. Moreno (http://www.chargers.com/team/Questions/Zeke_Moreno.cfm) would probably be brought in to back up Greenwood. He has a good background when it comes to being a team leader and is probably a good guy in the locker room too. He was the So Cal Trojans Most Valuable Player and team captain.

cadahnic
03-18-2005, 11:46 AM
Vinny at least old age has not hurt your mind. I think we are definately adding more speed to our defense. Our secondary carried us last season and I have to believe the Texans Front Office is thinking if we can get either the LB or D-line at least up to that level then we are a dangerous teams, regardless of inconsistency in our offense. Moreno is a great locker room guy and he is great on ST and as a backup

F-minus67
03-18-2005, 11:50 AM
So how much faster are our LBs going to be this year compaired to last year?

D-ReK
03-18-2005, 02:12 PM
I'd be for this signing as long as he doesn't cost too much...The way I see it, the only ILB back-up we have that has any chance of seeing the field is Polk, so depth here is needed...

keyfro
03-18-2005, 03:59 PM
still think we need to be drafting some quality D-lineman to push walker and payne for playing time...sears and deloach maybe too willing to ride the bench the whole year...and with how often those two are injuried we need guys to fill in now...still wouldn't mind us drafting marcus spears in the first or jason babinueax in the 2nd

BradK10
03-18-2005, 04:01 PM
i like this guy a lot. what vinny said is absolutely true. the team seems to be takin the approach i do when drafting defense in Madden, speed, speed speed

Shamrock
03-18-2005, 06:35 PM
i like this guy a lot. what vinny said is absolutely true. the team seems to be takin the approach i do when drafting defense in Madden, speed, speed speed
Moreno is NOT fast.

Moreno can plug a hole right in front of him, but has trouble with angles, and getting to the edge. His instincts are also lacking, and has trouble shedding blocks.

As a Charger fan, I'm glad to see him gone.

Grid
03-18-2005, 07:28 PM
well as has already been stated.. we need quality depth.. and this is how you achieve that.

Also keep in mind though, we let our backup go the season before last, and Steve Foley went and signed with the Chargers where he became one of the best LBs in the league in their system. We may be grabbing guys that we think will blossom in our system. We will give them all a shot in training camp, pick the best ones for depth.. and possibly even find a new starter.

beerlover
03-18-2005, 07:37 PM
gonna have to trust the Texans on this one, if they follow the path layed by the three time Superbowl Champion Patriots you don't spend high draft picks on LB's. its really amazing what they have acomplished & now that everyone is trying to play catch-up the Texans seem to have a new strategy, sign affordable, proven NFL free agents who fit their system. it feels like they are flying under the radar of the big free agents and grabing all the value they can, its probably a good thing :)

Hervoyel
03-18-2005, 11:32 PM
Our secondary carried us last season

That I kind of agree with. Our secondary got smoked some last year but considering the amount of pressure we got with our pass rush (seems a shame to call it that) I thought they did a hell of a job. If they'd had anyone consistently making the QB work for his money then the Texans secondary would have been very, very good.

The Texans are getting them some speed. They don't need it on the DL all that much but if they're going to conceed it there then the LB's absolutely have to have it.

TexansTrueFan
03-19-2005, 12:53 AM
lord is that all we are gonna use on defense is LBs ?

eyedok
03-19-2005, 01:10 AM
Moreno is ripe to blossum this year (fifth year in NFL). He's trimmed down and has become quicker. He could do what Steve Foley did to the Chargers who just signed a 3 year multimillion dollar contract with the Chargers. Give the Texan organization some credit for picking the next Steve Foley at Zeke Moreno prices.

MikeMc
03-19-2005, 01:18 AM
I think the Texans are trying to find that Diamond in the rough. There needs to be some changes within the LB corps, these guys have not performed like typical Capers' 3-4 Defenses do...maybe the past players did not fit the role very well.....don't get me wrong, Sharper & Foreman have been fine LBs, but there needs to be some addressing the lack of pressure on the QB.

If the Secondary & DL is doing a fine job, it must be the LBs that are underachieving.

outofhnd
03-19-2005, 02:27 AM
I think You can never have too much Defense look at New England they have like 5 LB in rotation that are quality guys.
i think because sharper and forman were showing no burst and not making tackles at or near the line of scrimmage we want guys that will react quickly to the ball Moreno would be another hard hitting addition to our team. Lets get this paperwork signed.

Vinny
03-19-2005, 03:43 AM
Moreno is NOT fast.

Moreno can plug a hole right in front of him, but has trouble with angles, and getting to the edge. His instincts are also lacking, and has trouble shedding blocks.

As a Charger fan, I'm glad to see him gone.If signed he certainly isn't going to start and may not even make the team. He still seems like a good guy to come in and compete for depth though. It's like Foreman's situation. If Foreman signs elsewhere there is a chance he may not make the team that signs him.

texansfan88
03-19-2005, 11:40 AM
-- Texans; Moreno Agree to Contract --
Sat Mar 19, 2005 --from FFMastermind.com

ESPN reports the Houston Texans found a candidate for their turnover at inside linebacker by reaching a one-year contract agreement with free-agent LB Zeke Moreno (Chargers). Financial terms were not disclosed.

OzzO
03-19-2005, 01:51 PM
From the fan side of it, no love lost (http://www.glorifythepast.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5502). May be just a look-see for Zeke.

TEXANS84
03-19-2005, 01:58 PM
From Ladainian21:

Good News. Guy was unbeleivabally slow

So much for the speed improvement. Sounds more like a run-stuffer to me.

F-minus67
03-19-2005, 02:13 PM
So how many ILBs do we have?

Vinny
03-19-2005, 03:14 PM
From the fan side of it, no love lost (http://www.glorifythepast.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5502). May be just a look-see for Zeke.We had the same kind of sentiment for Steve Foley last year. I take fan comments with a grain if I don't know the posting history of the fan.

As far as who is on the roster at LB? ILB's in bold...

Jason Babin, Charlie Anderson, Anthony Dunn, Tyreo Harrison, Morlon Greenwood, DaShon Polk, Shantee Orr, Kailee Wong, Antwan Peek, DD Acholonu, Tim Cheatwood, Dave Moretti, Jamie Sharper, Troy Evans, Frank Chamberlin, Quincy Monk, & Antonio Rodriguez

D-ReK
03-19-2005, 03:19 PM
Are they still planning on trying Cheatwood out at ILB? I think he may be a good fit there if he has any coverage skills...

TommyS
03-19-2005, 03:22 PM
i think moreno has a good chance to contribute this season. he had 95 tackles and 2 sacks when healthy on a very average chargers team in 2003, he was just injured last year. i think he will at least provide solid backup at ILB, at a good price. :thumbup

TommyS
03-19-2005, 03:24 PM
vinny. arent greenwood and wong projected at ILB for next season (if jamie leaves)? otherwise moreno's a starter over Dave Moretti, Troy Evans, Frank Chamberlin, Quincy Monk, & Antonio Rodriguez.

Vinny
03-19-2005, 03:27 PM
Wong and the Texans have both denied moving him inside so far. We have a mini-camp shortly after the draft and we may be able to see better then. I think we will try to find an inside linebacker in the draft and the other guys on the roster are likely battling for depth and Special teams.

BigDTexansFan
03-19-2005, 03:58 PM
Vinny at least old age has not hurt your mind. I think we are definately adding more speed to our defense. Our secondary carried us last season and I have to believe the Texans Front Office is thinking if we can get either the LB or D-line at least up to that level then we are a dangerous teams, regardless of inconsistency in our offense. Moreno is a great locker room guy and he is great on ST and as a backup


Got to agree with you as I recall we hardly got any pressure on QBs and as I recall several games QB got hurried and an occasional knockdown but no sacks. If we can get more pressure make RB and TE stay to protect we can use our secondary to shut down passing game :thumbup

Grid
03-19-2005, 05:51 PM
Texans | Moreno Agrees to Terms - from www.KFFL.com
Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:04:07 -0800

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans have agreed to a one-year deal with free agent LB Zeke Moreno (Chargers). Financial terms were not disclosed.

ArlingtonTexan
03-19-2005, 06:28 PM
Looks like the Texans are having an open try out for the 2nd ILB spot. they have essentially three players, Dashaon Polk, Zeke Moreno, and Frank Chamberlin who are all good special teams players. i see these guys sort in that Marlon McCree mold. Professional enough to start for you and will not be an embarassment, but a guy you are looking to replace in the off season if he is your starter.

These guys do not preclude the Texans from drafting an inside LB, but give them options if an ILB they like does not fall to them.

Grid
03-19-2005, 06:36 PM
and Wong as well. Yah its gonna be an interesting training camp for the LBs.. I cant wait :). I have my money on Wong starting with Polk as backup.. but I would be happy to see Chamberlin or Moreno come in and be surprisingly good.

keyfro
03-19-2005, 07:45 PM
chamberlin and moreno along with polk give us experience linebackers to play back-up and rotation for our two starting guys greenwood and most likely wong inside with babin and peek starting outside having anderson and either shantee orr or a drafted linebacker rotating with them

281
03-19-2005, 08:10 PM
The Chargers fans at www.glorifythepast.com aren't too high on him, they say he's on the slow side.

keyfro
03-19-2005, 09:55 PM
well that's why he won't be a starter here...basically i see moreno the same as chamberlin...both are fighting against polk and evans for the back-up position...they won't be starters here

hot pickle
03-19-2005, 11:45 PM
well he had a pretty good season in 03,

ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2005, 12:32 AM
chamberlin and moreno along with polk give us experience linebackers to play back-up and rotation for our two starting guys greenwood and most likely wong inside with babin and peek starting outside having anderson and either shantee orr or a drafted linebacker rotating with them
If the Texans were convinced of the Wong inside/Peek outside combo I think we would have seen more of it at the end of 2004 when Formen was hurt. Instead they started Polk leaving Wong outside and Peek coming in on passing situations.

Casserly claims that the Texans have not spoken with wong about moving inside and the fact they have signed 4 ILBs leaves me to believe that there is more than a shread of truth to that.

Overall, we fans like Peek more than the Texans. At every turn the Texans have had no issue with giving a starting position to a young unproven player scaling the scheme back if need be.

Of course, this is March and all of this could and probably will change, but my prediction of the starting LBs for 2005 Babin Greenwood one of three journeyman(Polk, Moreno, chamberlin) Wong.

dagr8whitehope
03-20-2005, 01:06 AM
are we anticipating sharper being gone? I haven't heard anything about it, i thought he would be here for 1 more year and go as a free agent. Just call me clueless, thanks.

Grid
03-20-2005, 01:17 AM
yah he is up for trade, and has said that he either wants to be traded or released.. doesnt want to resign.

dagr8whitehope
03-20-2005, 01:21 AM
shortly after i posted that i read the story on houstonprofootball.com and noticed that those were his options. thanks for the answer anyway, hasta luego.

ledzeppelin229
03-20-2005, 02:16 AM
I think everyone needs to start saying their goodbyes to Troy Evans. With these guys signed who are probably atleast equal ST level and better as solid backups, his days are probably numbered.

F-minus67
03-20-2005, 02:59 PM
Just because a team brings in a new player, doesn't mean that he is a lock for the team. I wouldn't say that anyones days are numbered, atleast until camp.

keyfro
03-26-2005, 11:23 AM
anyone else find it funny that zeke is the only new player we've signed that isn't on the texans roster...the texans never announced signing him maybe the deal didnt' happen

TexansTrueFan
03-27-2005, 02:23 AM
i think polk looked good stepping in for foreman last season. we should really have a good LB crew next season with all the competition at the position !

eyedok
04-10-2005, 02:10 PM
Has anyone heard whats going on the LB Zeke Moreno contract? I heard they were close to signing him but he still isn't listed in the roster. We could use a veteran linebacker like Moreno with experience and quickness in a 3-4 type defense. We can't wait for a rookie to develop into this position. I think Moreno would be a good fit and even a starter along side Greenwood and add the depth we need in the LB dept.

Carr Bombed
04-10-2005, 02:54 PM
moreno is strictly a back up, if even that

nunusguy
04-10-2005, 04:17 PM
With a muni pop of 33 % Hispanic, the Texans need to get a couple players
with a surname like Moreno, Lopez, or Gonzalos. Its what called entrepreneureal affirmative action.

eyedok
04-10-2005, 06:55 PM
Hec with affirmative action!! I hope the Texan organization is making their decisions based on talent and future potential and not on surname. Although I agree; Moreno would fit perfectly on both fronts!!

eyedok
04-10-2005, 07:17 PM
Based on what? Playing in the shadows of Junior Seau and successfully replacing Junior in 2003 for the Chargers; I think he has been undervalued. If you really look at his development from the point of quickness and instinctual talent (not just speed on the 40 yard run) ; I think he has come a long way. I think the fans regurgitate what they read and not what they see and/or should see.

keyfro
04-10-2005, 07:48 PM
all i know on his situation is that he is still on the chargers roster and not on ours

El Tejano
04-11-2005, 04:03 PM
Yeah, what is the deal with that? Is he on our team or what??

Shamrock
04-30-2005, 11:33 PM
Does anyone know if Moreno really did or didn't sign with the Texans?

DocBar
04-30-2005, 11:48 PM
Does anyone know if Moreno really did or didn't sign with the Texans?
Um, no. Where did you get that avatar? That's cool

Shamrock
05-01-2005, 12:25 AM
Um, no. Where did you get that avatar? That's cool

I don't remember. I found it about 4 years ago on some board, and have used it wherever I go. It even looks like one of my cows !!!

DocBar
05-01-2005, 12:31 AM
I don't remember. I found it about 4 years ago on some board, and have used it wherever I go. It even looks like one of my cows !!!OK!!!! Too much info there.....LOL :jk:

THEFUTURE
05-01-2005, 01:00 AM
on a lot of sports sights he is listed with the texans, but on the texans official homepage, he isnt.. its very odd.. i guess we will have to wait til training camps to find out

HardCoreTxn
05-01-2005, 12:02 PM
Does anyone know if Moreno really did or didn't sign with the Texans?


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player?statsId=5587

Shamrock
05-01-2005, 05:19 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235126

NFL.com still shows him as an unsigned unrestricted free agent. The Texans don't show him on their roster, nor in their transaction page.

michaelm
05-01-2005, 06:06 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235126

NFL.com still shows him as an unsigned unrestricted free agent. The Texans don't show him on their roster, nor in their transaction page.

The nfl.com free agent list, believe it or not, is woefully out of date. There are several guys thatI know for sure have signed that are listed as UFAs.

Shamrock
05-01-2005, 07:51 PM
I e-mailed the Texans and asked for clarification. If they write back, I'll let y'all know what they said.

TommyS
05-02-2005, 12:57 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8437571

pat kirwin on nfl.com still shows moreno as unsigned, as of 5/02.

SESupergenius
05-02-2005, 12:59 PM
Could it be that this is medically related?

texasguy346
05-02-2005, 01:02 PM
Could it be that this is medically related?

Sounds like a possibility. Perhaps he hasn't passed a physical or something to that extent.

eyedok
05-02-2005, 11:41 PM
I think you guys are right. It might be related to his shoulder injury he suffered last season while playing for the San Diego Chargers. Although you think he would have been fully rehabiliated by now and ready to be signed by the Texans or someone else.

mj.
05-03-2005, 04:42 PM
From the Texans main site

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1675

HOUSTON - The Houston Texans announced today that they have signed unrestricted free agent LB Zeke Moreno, free agent P Curtis Ansel and rookie free agent OT Myniya Smith.

Moreno (6-2, 235) played in 57 games, starting 15 during his four seasons with the San Diego Chargers. Drafted by the Chargers in the fifth round of the 2001 draft from Southern California, Moreno has 141 total tackles, three sacks, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries during his career.

Moreno’s best season was 2003 when he started 12 games totaling 78 tackles, two sacks and two fumble recoveries. He played in nine games in 2004 before being sidelines with a shoulder injury that landed him on the Reserve/Injured list (11/15/04).

Ansel (6-0, 210) originally signed with Detroit as an undrafted rookie free agent. He was released after training camp (8/23/04). Ansel played collegiate football at Kansas where he recorded 154 career punts for 6,344 yards (41.2 avg.) and set the Big 12 record for the longest punt (83 yards at Baylor).

Smith (6-6, 343) participated as a rookie free agent tryout. He signs with the Texans out of Southern University where he started 10 games for the Jaguars and was voted first-team All-SWAC.

mj.
05-03-2005, 04:52 PM
I guess this means our LB depth chart looks like this:

OLB
Babin, Peek, Anderson, Pettway, Orr, Cheatwood, Acholonu, Dunn

ILB
Greenwood, Wong, Moreno, Polk, Evans, Monk, Chamberlain, Harrison, Morretti

We probably only carry the top 4 at each on our 53-man roster.
The final spot at OLB should be a dogfight at camp.

PapaL
05-03-2005, 06:48 PM
ESPN is now reporting that we signed him and a few others:

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2052629)

Linebacker Zeke Moreno, punter Curtis Ansel and undrafted rookie free agent Myniya Smith all signed on Tuesday.

Moreno, who spent the past four seasons with the San Diego Chargers, played in nine games in 2004 before going on injured reserve with a shoulder injury. His best year came in 2003 when he started 12 games, making 78 tackles, two sacks and two fumble recoveries.

Ansel signed with Detroit as an undrafted rookie free agent in 2004 and was later released in training camp. He played for the University of Kansas, where he averaged 41.2 yards a punt on 154 attempts and set the Big 12 record for longest punt (83 yards at Baylor).

Smith is a 6-foot-6, 343-pound defensive lineman from Southern University in Louisiana. He started 10 games in his senior season and was voted first-team All-Southwestern Athletic Conference.

wags
05-04-2005, 08:09 AM
Texans | Moreno to Compete for Inside LB Job - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 3 May 2005 20:08:32 -0700

HoustonTexans.com reports Houston Texans LB Zeke Moreno will compete for a starting job as an inside linebacker in the team's 3-4 defensive scheme

El Tejano
05-04-2005, 04:44 PM
Uh oh, looks like Wong's spot might not even be safe with the sounds of that report.

281
05-04-2005, 06:13 PM
Usual kffl.com report... Barring injury, I doubt we will see him starting in Week 1.

texan279
05-04-2005, 10:03 PM
Texans | Moreno's Shoulder Held up Deal - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 4 May 2005 16:53:12 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports there was a delay in LB Zeke Moreno (shoulder) signing with the Houston Texans because he needed to pass a physical that was held up by a sore shoulder. When he passed the physical, he signed his contract. Moreno is expected to add depth to the team's revamped inside linebacker crew.


Texans | Moreno Contract Update - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 4 May 2005 16:51:48 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the one-year contract signed with the Houston Texans by LB Zeke Moreno was valued at $640,000. The deal included a $100,000 signing bonus and a base salary of $540,000.

texan279
05-05-2005, 07:59 PM
Texans | Moreno Happy Being Wanted - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 5 May 2005 10:21:50 -0700

Nick Schenck, of HoustonTexans.com, reports Houston Texans recently signed LB Zeke Moreno (shoulder) is appreciative for the opportunity given to him by the Texans after missing the final seven games with a dislocated shoulder while with the San Diego Chargers in 2004. Moreno is completely recovered from the injury and ready to contribute this year. "The organization here gave me a great chance," Moreno said. "They've been really hospitable to me, so I'm just thankful for the opportunity and I'm just going to go out there and work hard and see what happens."