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PockyAF
09-05-2010, 01:22 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere. From PFT: (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/)

If that's the case, the anti-Leinart crowd apparently is getting the word out, given that Clark Judge of CBSSports.com has reported that the Seahawks aren't interested.

We're assuming that if anyone in the organization is interested, it's Carroll. If accurate, this would mean that G.M. John Schneider is opposed.

Meanwhile, and as Peter King reported on Saturday during our Notre Dame halftime segment, the Texans are interested. (We've confirmed that this is indeed the case.)

We're hearing that the Raiders remain a possibility, based on the unpredictability that owner Al Davis brings to every personnel decision.

Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports also throws the Vikings and Jaguars into the mix. King heard yesterday that the Titans could be a candidate, too, which would put Leinart and arch-nemesis Vince Young on the same team.

UPDATE: If the Vikings, Titans, Jaguars, or Bengals have interest in Leinart, we're told that none of those teams as of last night made their interest known.

What do you guys think? Maybe Kubiak can work his QB magic and turn him into the next Rosenfels or Plummer. Or maybe he continues to falter under Kubiak, like Carr and Orlovsky.

EDIT: Update on Pg.6

beerlover
09-05-2010, 01:33 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere. From PFT: (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/)



What do you guys think? Maybe Kubiak can work his QB magic and turn him into the next Rosenfels or Plummer. Or maybe he continues to falter under Kubiak, like Carr and Orlovsky.

JB was Matt's replacement @ USC now possibly the tables have turned & Matt is JB's replacement? both cerebral QB's who fit Texans scheme, not sure however if Kubes gives up his man crush on Dan'O?

Wolf
09-05-2010, 01:33 PM
can winston be a blind side pass protector?


Leinhart is a Dan O, but is left handed and throws better hot tub parties

:cow:

BullNation4Life
09-05-2010, 01:35 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere. From PFT: (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/)



What do you guys think? Maybe Kubiak can work his QB magic and turn him into the next Rosenfels or Plummer. Or maybe he continues to falter under Kubiak, like Carr and Orlovsky.

Carr was already too far gone when Kubiak got to Houston and Leinart doesn't have the will to want to work, much like Carr did not want to work. That was on of the big reasons he failed in Arizona. If he couldn't learn from a hall of famer in Kurt Warner, who is the poster child of determination and hard work, then he has no future. Leinart is a lost cause....

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 01:35 PM
Didn't see this posted anywhere. From PFT: (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/)



What do you guys think? Maybe Kubiak can work his QB magic and turn him into the next Rosenfels or Plummer. Or maybe he continues to falter under Kubiak, like Carr and Orlovsky.


http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1512190&postcount=162

Houston_Fanatic
09-05-2010, 01:37 PM
do not like.

I don't like his attitude and he hasn't impressed me with his play in the NFL so far.

TimeKiller
09-05-2010, 01:43 PM
I don't know that he's any better than Orlovsky at this point. Unless they are just giving up on Dan O I'd say absolutely NOT to Leinart. We've got a roster full of try-hard guys, we don't need another Travis Johnson attitude around here ever again.

Thorn
09-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Carr was already too far gone when Kubiak got to Houston and Leinart doesn't have the will to want to work, much like Carr did not want to work. That was on of the big reasons he failed in Arizona. If he couldn't learn from a hall of famer in Kurt Warner, who is the poster child of determination and hard work, then he has no future. Leinart is a lost cause....

From the land of opposing QBs, Kurt Warner was always a favorite of mine. While I might have more respect for a Payten Manning or a Tom Brady, I don't like them at all. Warner I both like and respect and would always root for him.

Wolf
09-05-2010, 01:46 PM
I am hoping Pete Carroll snaps him up .. however after the Lenwhale incident, and with matt being lazy(assumption there because of what I have heard) , Pete might not want him

Maddict5
09-05-2010, 01:52 PM
i dont like leinarts 'california cool' :rolleyes:

Ryan
09-05-2010, 02:13 PM
Do not want.

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2010, 02:23 PM
Do not want.

Seconded.

IDEXAN
09-05-2010, 02:28 PM
Actually Schaub always kinda reminded me of Leinert. Both are tall and big,
not very mobile, and neither with a real strong arm. But the similarities are only physical, that's for sure. Between the ears, 2 totally different guys.
The backup QB is just that, he backs up the starter and comes in if the starter is out and we know Schaub has some history of absenteeism, so would Leinert be an improvement over DanO ?

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 02:31 PM
For Pete's sake (no pun intended), his own USC coach doesn't want him.

krocket
09-05-2010, 02:34 PM
There is a possibility that the Vikings pick him up and cut Rosencopter. Then they cut Sage for us to pick up.

Jackie Chiles
09-05-2010, 02:35 PM
There is a possibility that the Vikings pick him up and cut Rosencopter. Then they cut Sage for us to pick up.

Sage was traded to the Giants.

drs23
09-05-2010, 02:36 PM
There is a possibility that the Vikings pick him up and cut Rosencopter. Then they cut Sage for us to pick up.

Sage is now a NY Giant.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 02:54 PM
Doesn't anyone remember all the musical chairs that the Cardinals had to play in order to accomodate his lefty status?? It was a mess.......and still didn't help. Cardinals Brandon Keith Moved To LT to RT and Levi Brown went from RT to LT were only some examples. The transitions turned into a friggin' mess. Can you see what would happen if in mid season, protection needs were changed and [1]our tackles were kept in their present positions OR [2]forced to trade places? I don't even want to think of it. That's not even to mention other things that people don't tend to think about........plays going preferentially to opposite sides (runs/passes)........and the increased difficulty for receivers to hang on to passes (just ask any receiver about that dreaded reverse spin on the ball, when you're used to the ball coming in with an "normal" opposite spin.:eek:

ubecool454
09-05-2010, 02:57 PM
I would hope that the Titans take him and release Kerry Collins...I would rather have Collins as a backup to Schaub than Leinhart or Dan O. I don't want a Lefthanded backup QB because it might throw our WRs out of sync with the opposite ball rotation. Leinhart is a pretty boy so he should go into modeling or soap operas. That opposite spin might be the reason Vick caught hell...well other than the dog thing that we won't talk about.

281
09-05-2010, 02:58 PM
i'd much rather sign troy smith.

SheTexan
09-05-2010, 03:04 PM
Doesn't anyone remember all the musical chairs that the Cardinals had to play in order to accomodate his lefty status?? It was a mess.......and still didn't help. Cardinals Brandon Keith Moved To LT to RT and Levi Brown went from RT to LT were only some examples. The transitions turned into a friggin' mess. Can you see what would happen if in mid season, protection needs were changed and [1]our tackles were kept in their present positions OR [2]forced to trade places? I don't even want to think of it. That's not even to mention other things that people don't tend to think about........plays going preferentially to opposite sides (runs/passes)........and the increased difficulty for receivers to hang on to passes (just ask any receiver about that dreaded reverse spin on the ball, when you're used to the ball coming in with an "normal" opposite spin.:eek:


Come on now Cloak!! Ya got something against LEFTIES???!:foottap: J/K!!
I liked Leinhart when he came out of USC, and thought the Cards the luckiest team in the NFL. They had the TWO best lookin QBs in the league! :heart:

All kidding aside, I don't like the move. Kubes has made enough mistakes this off season. PLEASE don't let this be another one!!

ubecool454
09-05-2010, 03:04 PM
i'd much rather sign troy smith.

Not a bad rather.

SheTexan
09-05-2010, 03:07 PM
i'd much rather sign troy smith.

I bet Yankee would love that!!!

ubecool454
09-05-2010, 03:11 PM
There is a possibility that the Vikings pick him up and cut Rosencopter. Then they cut Sage for us to pick up.

Sage got traded to the NYGs....keep up..:brando:

mexican_texan
09-05-2010, 03:13 PM
i'd much rather sign troy smith.
Seconded.

Or Brandtstatter, Colt Brennan.

Dutchrudder
09-05-2010, 04:33 PM
I'd rather sign David Carr than Matt lienart.

Carr Bombed
09-05-2010, 04:34 PM
Seconded.

Or Brandtstatter, Colt Brennan.

I'd take Colt Brennan......is he available? He'd be perfect for this system.

gtexan02
09-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Want.

I think Leinarts got a lot of potential. He's got attitude issues, and I think those are rectified by coming onto a team where he knows he won't be the starter.
His problem in AZ wasn't his talent (this year), it was the fact that he couldn't handle the competition and his skills dropped as soon as he believed he wasn't going to be the #1 guy.
If he knows hes the backup, I think he's got the skills to help us.

Remember, our backup QB right now is Dan O. I'd take just about anyone

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2010, 04:38 PM
I'd take Colt Brennan......is he available? He'd be perfect for this system.

He was cut... by the Raiders, iirc.

painekiller
09-05-2010, 04:42 PM
First off IMO the Texans are saying they are interested in order to appease the fans, I do not think they sign Leinert.

2nd Leinert has not been in a WCO the last few years and he would have a large learning curve to catch up. I would stay with JDB.

Carr Bombed
09-05-2010, 05:16 PM
First off IMO the Texans are saying they are interested in order to appease the fans, I do not think they sign Leinert.

2nd Leinert has not been in a WCO the last few years and he would have a large learning curve to catch up. I would stay with JDB.

JDB makes very good reads, but his accuracy was downright horrible. He would make a very good thrown (that TD pass was crazy), but then he'd have a bunch of passes going everywhere (Our receivers made crazy catches),

Maybe that can be coached, maybe it's just because since he was the 3rd stringer he barely even got work and the time needed to improve his accuracy. IDK..

If he could develop accuracy, he could be a pretty decent option.. (Right now I'd go ahead and drop Orlovsky), but I'd still bring in another QB.

The Pencil Neck
09-05-2010, 05:19 PM
JDB makes very good reads, but his accuracy was downright horrible. He would make a very good thrown (that TD pass was crazy), but then he'd have a bunch of passes going everywhere (Our receivers made crazy catches),

Maybe that can be coached, maybe it's just because since he was the 3rd stringer he barely even got work and the time needed to improve his accuracy. IDK..

If he could develop accuracy, he could be a pretty decent option.. (Right now I'd go ahead and drop Orlovsky), but I'd still bring in another QB.

Remember, though, JDB hadn't been practicing because he had a problem with his shoulder. He went in there with a sore shoulder. So that may have interfered with his accuracy.

J_R
09-05-2010, 05:30 PM
RT @jeffbaringhaus (http://twitter.com/jeffbaringhaus): @mortreport (http://twitter.com/mortreport) Where does Leinart end up now? >.> Handicapping Texans as the favorites

Joe Texan
09-05-2010, 05:30 PM
I'd rather sign David Carr than Matt lienart.

Mods please ban this brainless knucklehead for at least a week for the profanity he is using

Maddict5
09-05-2010, 05:31 PM
All kidding aside, I don't like the move. Kubes has made enough mistakes this off season. PLEASE don't let this be another one!!

:rolleyes:

like...?

281
09-05-2010, 05:32 PM
I'd rather sign David Carr than Matt lienart.

now that's just nonsense

otisbean
09-05-2010, 06:06 PM
:rolleyes:

like...?

I was thinking the same thing. I love how the season hasn't started and people are saying Kube has made roster mistakes. Can we see these guys play some games that matter before we start throwing stones at the coach???

BSofA04
09-05-2010, 06:15 PM
Perhaps an attitude adjustment will come with a change in scenery for Leinert. I'd take him over Danny-O. At least give him a workout.

GP
09-05-2010, 06:16 PM
Such an awful QB.

Garbage.

Joe Texan
09-05-2010, 06:19 PM
And put him in instead of Dan O, He has no idea how or what we play and he expects his recievers to find the ****ing ball. not interested

Nawzer
09-05-2010, 06:27 PM
I don't know why we'd pursue someone like Leinart. He hasn't shown the ability to be successful in the NFL as a qb. With Dan Orlovsky at no.2, I'd rather see us sign someone like JP Losman, who actually has a track record of starting in the NFL.

Carr Bombed
09-05-2010, 06:35 PM
JP Losman is horrible.... He's a poor man's Rex Grossman. (LOL, look at their names... "Los...man" and "Gross....man".)

He hasn't played meaningful NFL football in years, he's even more injury prone than Matt Schaub, and he just got cut from the Seahawks who are also looking for QB depth.

Carr Bombed
09-05-2010, 06:44 PM
I was just surfing aroung and I found this article posted a month ago about Colt Brennan....

Monday, August 2, 2010
Colt Brennan was surprised when he was cut after practice today
WP = Washington Post


About his surprise when he was cut by the Redskins today, Colt Brennan said:
"I was totally surprised. I actually was walking off the field today and someone asked, 'How'd you do today?' I said I had a good day. It was a good practice, so I said I'd have a good rest of the day. It was definitely a surprise." (WP)


About the Washington cutting him and trading for John Beck today, Colt said:
"It had nothing to do with my play. To be honest with you, it was never a situation with me playing and how I did. It was basically that they always had a real strong interest in John Beck. [Offensive coordinator] Kyle [Shanahan] said he had looked into getting John early on and they couldn't get him. He was excited about my film and interested in working with me. But when this deal came down, they jumped on it. They told me they wanted to give me an opportunity to grow." (WP)


Praising Washington for giving him a chance early on in camp, Colt said:
"They wanted me to have a chance early on in camp. They didn't want to put me in a bad position. Kyle told me I'm a kid who needs reps. Kyle's an awesome guy, and that's the only thing that's really kind of a bummer, because I love this coaching staff. They've been really cool to me and I was building a great relationship with them. But this is a business. They said they would do anything they could to help me. They told me they think I can play, so they just wanted to give me an opportunity to catch on somewhere." (WP)

http://uhwarriorquotes.blogspot.com/2010/08/colt-brennan-was-surprised-when-he-was.html

Hmm, I wonder if Kubes will get on the phone and ask Kyle and Mike about Colt.

Jackie Chiles
09-05-2010, 06:50 PM
http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/23093549615

"The Texans are interested in Matt Leinart. If they sign him, he'll join Matt Schaub and Dan Orlovsky on the roster."

Dash
09-05-2010, 06:57 PM
Mcclain again:


After Sunday's moves, the Texans have one spot available on their regular roster for Leinart or possibly John David Booty, who was waived.


http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL

TheMatrix31
09-05-2010, 07:19 PM
Grossness. Just grossness.

painekiller
09-05-2010, 07:24 PM
I'd give Colt Brennan a tryout, and I would look at Patrick Ramsey.

Texas T
09-05-2010, 07:26 PM
Grossness. Just grossness.

No not Grossman again!!!

TheMatrix31
09-05-2010, 07:27 PM
No not Grossman again!!!

LOL. I'd have more confidence in Grossman, seriously.

Texas T
09-05-2010, 07:43 PM
LOL. I'd have more confidence in Grossman, seriously.

That would definitely be a toss up...I actually cried during the Jacksonville game last year and I never cry.

I really think that Leinhart may be a more trainable QB than Grossman.

b0ng
09-05-2010, 07:44 PM
USC and their offensive skill players.

gary
09-05-2010, 07:50 PM
Knowing he is most likely a career backup and due to where he was chosen in the draft surprisingly I'd think about signing him but then his Debbie downer attiude just drives me away from him. Based on where and why he was drafted he has already turned out to be a waste in the NFL.

midgetonadonkey
09-05-2010, 08:10 PM
I'd give Colt Brennan a tryout, and I would look at Patrick Ramsey.

Wasn't Patrick Ramsey almost signed a couple of years ago?

JamesC
09-05-2010, 08:23 PM
I'd rather the Texans sign Pat White...I've always wanted to see Kubiak work with a young mobile qb.

ChampionTexan
09-05-2010, 08:32 PM
I was just surfing aroung and I found this article posted a month ago about Colt Brennan....
Monday, August 2, 2010
Colt Brennan was surprised when he was cut after practice today
WP = Washington Post


About his surprise when he was cut by the Redskins today, Colt Brennan said:
"I was totally surprised. I actually was walking off the field today and someone asked, 'How'd you do today?' I said I had a good day. It was a good practice, so I said I'd have a good rest of the day. It was definitely a surprise." (WP)


About the Washington cutting him and trading for John Beck today, Colt said:
"It had nothing to do with my play. To be honest with you, it was never a situation with me playing and how I did. It was basically that they always had a real strong interest in John Beck. [Offensive coordinator] Kyle [Shanahan] said he had looked into getting John early on and they couldn't get him. He was excited about my film and interested in working with me. But when this deal came down, they jumped on it. They told me they wanted to give me an opportunity to grow." (WP)


Praising Washington for giving him a chance early on in camp, Colt said:
"They wanted me to have a chance early on in camp. They didn't want to put me in a bad position. Kyle told me I'm a kid who needs reps. Kyle's an awesome guy, and that's the only thing that's really kind of a bummer, because I love this coaching staff. They've been really cool to me and I was building a great relationship with them. But this is a business. They said they would do anything they could to help me. They told me they think I can play, so they just wanted to give me an opportunity to catch on somewhere." (WP)


http://uhwarriorquotes.blogspot.com/2010/08/colt-brennan-was-surprised-when-he-was.html

Hmm, I wonder if Kubes will get on the phone and ask Kyle and Mike about Colt.

This appears to be the NFL equivalent of "I'm breaking up with you, but it's not you, it's me!". (It's always you).

ObsiWan
09-05-2010, 08:34 PM
I'd rather the Texans sign Pat White...I've always wanted to see Kubiak work with a young mobile qb.

I'd kinda like to see Kubiak groom White for a year or two myself. But from what I've seen, Kubiak is stuck on tall, relatively immobile, guys who can "make all the throws" that he can teach to "protect the ball" and "make good decisions" so I'm not at all sure he'd know what to do with a QB with actual wheels.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 08:45 PM
Wasn't Patrick Ramsey almost signed a couple of years ago?

I posted on this........http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1511430#post1511430

J_R
09-05-2010, 08:47 PM
I'd rather the Texans sign Pat White...I've always wanted to see Kubiak work with a young mobile qb.

Sounds good! We can get the West Virginia trio back together again! Pat White, Steve Slaton, and Owen Schmitt(who was released today). Maybe also grab OL Selvish Capers off the Redskins PS, LB Mortty Ivy off the Rams PS, and QB Jarrett Brown off the 49ers

:sarcasm: ;)

GP
09-05-2010, 09:19 PM
Kuharsky provides some information on the story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5537474):

The Houston Texans have emerged as a leading candidate to sign former Arizona Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart, league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

The Texans were one of the first teams to contact Leinart after he was released Saturday and have been among the most interested teams, according to the sources.

The Cardinals parted ways with the former Heisman Trophy winner days after Leinart went public with his frustration over being replaced by Cleveland castoff Derek Anderson.

Leinart complained he had outplayed Anderson and that his problems with coach Ken Whisenhunt were "probably away from football." That led to a meeting with Whisenhunt the following day. Although he was unhappy that Leinart took his issues public, Whisenhunt praised how the quarterback has handled things.

"The one thing I want to make very clear is how professional Matt was about the whole situation," the coach said. "I was very impressed with his conversation with me. He thanked the organization, the ownership, for all the time and effort that they had invested in him. He felt like he had gotten better and he had learned a lot and it meant a lot to me to hear him say that."

Leinart played two series in the final preseason game on Thursday night.

Arizona thought it had a steal when Leinart, who led Southern California to two national championships and a third title game appearance, fell to the Cardinals at the No. 10 overall pick in 2006. He started 11 games as a rookie under then-coach Dennis Green, then the first five the following season under new coach Ken Whisenhunt. But the big left-hander then went down with a broken collarbone and Kurt Warner took over.

Warner finished his career with two spectacular seasons, leading Arizona to consecutive NFC West titles, an incredible run to the Super Bowl and a 51-45 overtime victory over Green Bay in a playoff thriller last season.

Leinart threw for 3,893 yards with 14 touchdowns and 20 interceptions with Arizona.

Kubiak has some stones if he's going to take on this large of a reclamation project. The guy throws lefty, has more picks than TDs, and has never been able to exhibit positive leadership around his teammates.

I hope this is an idea that Smithiak flirted with, and has since decided to abandon. I don't like it, and 98% of us fans here don't like it.

dalemurphy
09-05-2010, 09:22 PM
Kuharsky provides some information on the story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5537474):



Kubiak has some stones if he's going to take on this large of a reclamation project. The guy throws lefty, has more picks than TDs, and has never been able to exhibit positive leadership around his teammates.

I hope this is an idea that Smithiak flirted with, and has since decided to abandon. I don't like it, and 98% of us fans here don't like it.

I'm not going to stress too much about the Texans picking up a 3rd QB off the streets and attempting to repair his career. I won't lay money on the project being successful, but it certainly doesn't deter my optimism for the season or the future.

GP
09-05-2010, 09:26 PM
I'm not going to stress too much about the Texans picking up a 3rd QB off the streets and attempting to repair his career. I won't lay money on the project being successful, but it certainly doesn't deter my optimism for the season or the future.

It would if Matt goes down in week 1 or 2, and Dan O is the starter with Leinart one step away from taking the helm.

I know the thinking here, by Kubiak. He thinks the guy has the tools but hasn't had the right environment. We've got two QBs right now, IIRC. We're going to add one more.

This is probably going to happen. Leinart is going to say all the right things. Kubiak is going to say all the right things.

Kubiak will essentially tell Leinart that the backup job is open for competition. Get in there, during practices, and show us what you got. Because if we're fooling ourselves if we think he's comfortable with Dan O.

Brisco_County
09-05-2010, 09:33 PM
Kuharsky provides some information on the story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5537474):



Kubiak has some stones if he's going to take on this large of a reclamation project. The guy throws lefty, has more picks than TDs, and has never been able to exhibit positive leadership around his teammates.

I hope this is an idea that Smithiak flirted with, and has since decided to abandon. I don't like it, and 98% of us fans here don't like it.

Kubiak isn't trying to acquire value. He's trying to acquire raw talent and develop it into something valuable for use or trade. That's what successful teams do.

Hookem Horns
09-05-2010, 09:34 PM
I don't know that I hate the idea of signing Leinart. The only real risk we run is if he will be a negative personality in the locker room. He will be coming here knowing that is isn't competing for the starting job (which is why I would be surprised if he signs here) so maybe he becomes a good citizen.

What concerns me about this team is Schaub staying healthy. We were very fortunate last season. Maybe I am ignorant but I would rather see a Leinart who has had some time with Kubiak than O-Fer if Schaub gets injured.

Kubiak saw him in person this season so maybe he sees something in him, especially considering the fact that the Texans immediately contacted him. Yeah, yeah, I know that Kubiak saw something in O-Fer too however he must like something better in Leinart if he is so fast to inquire on Leinart.

spurstexanstros
09-05-2010, 09:45 PM
DanO scares me....cut him now....sign whoever. DanO is a loosing season waiting to happen, I know he looks impressive in a uni I dont understand the man crushes people have for a guy who hasnt won anything at any level.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 10:00 PM
What makes anyone believe that "Leinart the Contrarian" will be tamed by "Kubiak the Disciplinarian?" You can't develop a player, if you can't discipline them. It seems funny, at least it does to me, to see "Kubiak" in the same sentence as "Disciplinarian."

painekiller
09-05-2010, 10:00 PM
I have no interest in Leinert.

Hookem Horns
09-05-2010, 10:04 PM
What makes anyone believe that "Leinart the Contrarian" will be tamed by "Kubiak the Disciplinarian?" You can develop a player, if you can discipline them. It seems funny, at least it does to me, to see "Kubiak" in the same sentence as "Disciplinarian."

Orlovsky reminds me of Sean Salisbury (the player). For that reason alone I am willing to give anything else a shot.

JB
09-05-2010, 10:05 PM
Orlovsky reminds me of Sean Salisbury (the player). For that reason alone I am willing to give anything else a shot.

:eek: :headhurts:

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 10:11 PM
Found an interesting description of Leinart by a senior poster on another board............sounds pretty accurate.

I'd stay far away from Leinart. Weak arm, rocks in the head, poor work ethic, no discipline

BullNation4Life
09-05-2010, 10:17 PM
Come on now Cloak!! Ya got something against LEFTIES???!:foottap: J/K!!
I liked Leinhart when he came out of USC, and thought the Cards the luckiest team in the NFL. They had the TWO best lookin QBs in the league! :heart:

All kidding aside, I don't like the move. Kubes has made enough mistakes this off season. PLEASE don't let this be another one!!

What mistakes has Kubiak made, in your opinion? He cut the kicker that cost them games, cut the running back that cost them games, so what "mistakes" has he made?

BullNation4Life
09-05-2010, 10:19 PM
What makes anyone believe that "Leinart the Contrarian" will be tamed by "Kubiak the Disciplinarian?" You can't develop a player, if you can't discipline them. It seems funny, at least it does to me, to see "Kubiak" in the same sentence as "Disciplinarian."

I do remember Kubiak taking on another Arizona QB that had discipline problems and work ethic issues and ended up making him a playoff QB...

I think that QB got the Broncos to a AFC Championship as well...

Just saying, I mean a blind monkey with 2 left arms is a far better upgrade to Dan O.

eriadoc
09-05-2010, 10:25 PM
Texans interested in Leinhart

There's no h(e)art in Leinart.

mariowillshine15
09-05-2010, 10:47 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5537474

The Houston Texans have emerged as a leading candidate to sign former Arizona Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart, league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

The Texans were one of the first teams to contact Leinart after he was released Saturday and have been among the most interested teams, according to the sources.

TexansFanatic
09-05-2010, 11:07 PM
There's no h(e)art in Leinart.

Well played, sir.

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2010, 11:27 PM
http://reallyrobins.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/vomiting-man.jpg?w=360&h=334

Oh, so you just finished watching Leinart's last game on NFL Replay too?

Lucky
09-05-2010, 11:30 PM
Kubiak isn't trying to acquire value. He's trying to acquire raw talent and develop it into something valuable for use or trade. That's what successful teams do.
That's fine. But what about this season? Leinart is worthless to this team this year. Where's the backup QB?

http://reallyrobins.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/vomiting-man.jpg?w=360&h=334

Oh, so you just finished watching Leinart's last game on NFL Replay too?
No, I was catching Orlovsky's "performance" in the 1st half of the Buc game.

Hookem Horns
09-06-2010, 12:16 AM
Oh, so you just finished watching Leinart's last game on NFL Replay too?

LOL Cloak, it sounds like you just can't wait to get your hands on this ...

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3085/leinart.gif

Andre_Johnson
09-06-2010, 12:17 AM
I was just surfing aroung and I found this article posted a month ago about Colt Brennan....



http://uhwarriorquotes.blogspot.com/2010/08/colt-brennan-was-surprised-when-he-was.html

Hmm, I wonder if Kubes will get on the phone and ask Kyle and Mike about Colt.

Colt has never had any NFL experience outside of the preseason, similar to JDB. Also, he wasn't good enough for Kyle or Mike Shanahan, who are widely known to have the same system as Kubiak with the Texans. So, I think the possibility of bringing him in is pretty unlikely.

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 12:21 AM
I'd rather sign David Carr than Matt lienart.

OUCH!!!!

That's harsh!!! :whip:

Andre_Johnson
09-06-2010, 12:33 AM
I'd rather sign David Carr than Matt lienart.

I'm sorry, I know you posted this 7 hours ago but you have it coming...

BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!

Texans34Life
09-06-2010, 12:45 AM
@McClain_on_NFL

Texans hope to sign Leinart and have him and Orlovsky playing behind Schaub. Leinart would be given a chance to eventually be the backup.

Texanmike02
09-06-2010, 12:47 AM
He was cut... by the Raiders because Asserly wasn't around to give him a 2nd round pick for him.iirc.

Somebody had to say it.

Mike

Thorn
09-06-2010, 12:59 AM
At this point in the season, we are picking up road kill for the last few roster spots. As far as Leinhart is concerned, I just as soon leave him on the road.

Do. Not. Want.

I'd much rather we sign some old age QB from somewhere or give Booty a chance. If Schaub goes down, we're screwed anyway. DanO will get us all the way to the 6 yard line and lose the ball. Leinhart probably won't even get that far. Booty will overthrow everyone. We best just hope by some miracle Schaub is the man of steel this year.

newtexan
09-06-2010, 01:02 AM
ESPN says Texans lead for Leinhart services.

midgetonadonkey
09-06-2010, 01:05 AM
At this point in the season, we are picking up road kill for the last few roster spots. As far as Leinhart is concerned, I just as soon leave him on the road.

Do. Not. Want.

I'd much rather we sign some old age QB from somewhere or give Booty a chance. If Schaub goes down, we're screwed anyway. DanO will get us all the way to the 6 yard line and lose the ball. Leinhart probably won't even get that far. Booty will overthrow everyone. We best just hope by some miracle Schaub is the man of steel this year.

I think for that reason alone this could be a very low risk signing. The guy does have talent. Getting cut from the Cards could knock him down a few pegs and make him realize he needs to work and not just get by on his talent alone. If it doesn't work then so be it, it's not like he is being looked at as the future of the position.

Thorn
09-06-2010, 01:11 AM
I think for that reason alone this could be a very low risk signing. The guy does have talent. Getting cut from the Cards could knock him down a few pegs and make him realize he needs to work and not just get by on his talent alone. If it doesn't work then so be it, it's not like he is being looked at as the future of the position.

He's a leftie, our line is built to protect a rightie. I'd just as soon not deal with that issue. But, whatever. You're right in one thing, it's not like whoever we sign in the next few days is the future.

Well, let's hope not at any rate. :eek:

Andre_Johnson
09-06-2010, 01:14 AM
At this point in the season, we are picking up road kill for the last few roster spots. As far as Leinhart is concerned, I just as soon leave him on the road.

Do. Not. Want.

I'd much rather we sign some old age QB from somewhere or give Booty a chance. If Schaub goes down, we're screwed anyway. DanO will get us all the way to the 6 yard line and lose the ball. Leinhart probably won't even get that far. Booty will overthrow everyone. We best just hope by some miracle Schaub is the man of steel this year.

Matt has come a long way since being the backup for Vick in Atlanta, he's always been a playmaker with his accurate arm. He's progressed in every season since becoming the starter for Houston in '07, even with the injuries.

Last year Schaub finally put it altogether while avoiding injuries and did what everyone outside of Houston thought to be impossible, led the league in Passing yards. I'm not saying he is impervious to injury because of one clean year, but it shouldn't be assumed that he'll get injured and it definitely wouldn't be a "miracle" either.

GP
09-06-2010, 01:41 AM
Kubiak isn't trying to acquire value. He's trying to acquire raw talent and develop it into something valuable for use or trade. That's what successful teams do.

The premise is flawed.

There has to be something there to begin with. Leinart has NOTHING there.

If he did, there would have been about 7 or 8 teams trying to trade for him during the past few weeks when this debacle began spiraling out of control. NOBODY wanted to trade for him. Teams weren't interested enough to make a trade that worked on both ends. That's as telling as when no teams traded for David Carr. Doesn't that strike anyone as being eerily similar?

Flash-forward to when Leinart was cut. Why wasn't there about 5 or 6 teams (Tampa Bay Buccaneers anybody? Steelers? Rams? Vikings? Bills? etc.) jumping all over the chance to get this magnificent QB that the Texans are now hot for?

Nothing is impossible. But it just seems damn comical, to me, that someone with the Texans (Maybe even multiple staff persons) are THIS interested in the guy. In a supply & demand climate, such as what the NFL is, teams are essentially saying there is no demand for the guy. We'll let proven RBs slip by, by the dozen, but here's Leinart and we can't contain ourselves? LOL.

(Sigh)

They keep things interesting, I gotta' give 'em that much. :choke:

GP
09-06-2010, 01:43 AM
And we already have trouble spelling his name.

It's not Leinhart.

It's not Leinhert.

LEIN ART. Leinart.

LOL. If you suck so bad that people cannot spell your last name correctly, then that says it all.

Bad vibes about this potential acquisition. Bad vibes.

TexansFanatic
09-06-2010, 01:56 AM
Leinart has NOTHING there.

If he did, there would have been about 7 or 8 teams trying to trade for him during the past few weeks when this debacle began spiraling out of control. NOBODY wanted to trade for him. Teams weren't interested enough to make a trade that worked on both ends. That's as telling as when no teams traded for David Carr. Doesn't that strike anyone as being eerily similar?



The comparison to Carr is a valid one. Nobody wanted to trade for Carr and take on his salary because nobody wanted him as a starter and he wouldn't be worth starter's money as a backup.

But Carr has been a reasonably good backup.

Leinart wasn't pursued in a trade because nobody wants to pay his starter's salary when he is really more suited to be a backup.

But Leinart could be a reasonably good backup.

GP
09-06-2010, 02:09 AM
The comparison to Carr is a valid one. Nobody wanted to trade for Carr and take on his salary because nobody wanted him as a starter and he wouldn't be worth starter's money as a backup.

But Carr has been a reasonably good backup.

Leinart wasn't pursued in a trade because nobody wants to pay his starter's salary when he is really more suited to be a backup.

But Leinart could be a reasonably good backup.

Yeah, except people get a little blinded by the "backup" premise. They are a backup one second, and a starter the next.

It takes ONE injury for a backup to become the starter. I don't want any part of Leinart being one step away from being the starter here.

This team should have swallowed its collective ego and just traded a 3rd or 4th to the Vikes for Sage. It makes all the sense in the world. Sometimes you win a trade scenario, and sometimes you lose. This was a time for Kubiak to swallow his pride and go get a guy (Sage) who was at least a serviceable backup. But the same people who boo'd Kris Brown for missing the 59-yarder in the Bucs preseason game would boo Sage if he hit the field for us.

Sometimes Kubiak just makes decisions for wrong reasons, IMO. He avoided quality RBs, over and over and over again, because of...well, there's really no telling why. Apparently the salary demands were too high for us to bring in Benson. Not even a sniff of LJ. Nor of LT. Nor of Thomas Jones. We haven't landed another RB as of now.

It's like cutting Kris Brown has taken a lot of piss and vinegar out of Kubiak. I guess we CAN say that we just brought in Dixon and Wall. So that's good.

But the Leinart possibility is just bizarre to me. I'd rather have Graham Harrell than Leinart. Give me someone who knows how to pass the damn ball. That's what this offense is about.

TexansFanatic
09-06-2010, 02:19 AM
This team should have swallowed its collective ego and just traded a 3rd or 4th to the Vikes for Sage. It makes all the sense in the world. Sometimes you win a trade scenario, and sometimes you lose. This was a time for Kubiak to swallow his pride and go get a guy (Sage) who was at least a serviceable backup.

Man, I couldn't agree with that more. The reason we let Sage go the first time is because his contract was ending and he wanted to be a starter somewhere so the Texans traded him and got something instead of nothing.

Taking him back for a draft pick wouldn't even have to be considered an admission of a mistake because they had no choice the first time around but to let him go.

Very pissed they let Sage go to the Giants without a fight.

Yeah, except people get a little blinded by the "backup" premise. They are a backup one second, and a starter the next.

It takes ONE injury for a backup to become the starter. I don't want any part of Leinart being one step away from being the starter here.

So you feel better about Orlovsky than you would Leinart?

GP
09-06-2010, 02:37 AM
So you feel better about Orlovsky than you would Leinart?

No.

I'm fearful of our QB and RB situation as it relates to "backup" status.

There's nothing there in both roster positions. It's scary to me.

Norg
09-06-2010, 02:39 AM
im also on the No team only becasue he will take up a roster spot lets just man up and go into the season with 2 QB Matt.... SCHAUB and DanO no need wasting a roster spot

But kubes man i will never doubt him on QB's he did pick up schaub u know

TexansFanatic
09-06-2010, 02:45 AM
But kubes man i will never doubt him on QB's he did pick up schaub u know

And Dan O....

GP
09-06-2010, 02:49 AM
And Dan O....

Beat me to it.

TexansFanatic
09-06-2010, 02:49 AM
No.

I'm fearful of our QB and RB situation as it relates to "backup" status.

There's nothing there in both roster positions. It's scary to me.

I agree. We're a Schaub injury away from another dismal season.

But, if given the choice of either Leinart or Orlovsky at the backup QB spot, I'd choose Leinart simply because I think Orlovsky sucks worse. If you're calculating degrees of suckage and who sucks more I think Dan O wins (or loses?).

Hookem Horns
09-06-2010, 03:15 AM
Very pissed they let Sage go to the Giants without a fight.


I am kinda pissed he went to the Giants too. However I am speaking as a Giants fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0

TexansFanatic
09-06-2010, 03:18 AM
I am kinda pissed he went to the Giants too. However I am speaking as a Giants fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0

Ha! Hey, I don't want Sage as a starter. But even taking into account the rosencopter, Sage is one of the best backups in the league.

silvrhand
09-06-2010, 05:32 AM
Guys he's a backup, maybe he can come in and show that he does have something, if he doesn't then it's not really a loss as it should not play into our win/loss I'm not sure why everyone is getting all worked up.

If we loss Matt, we are screwed anyways, how many teams can recover from losing their starting QB? Not many, if any.

Corrosion
09-06-2010, 06:20 AM
Too many negatives and not much upside with Leinhart .... We've seen his body of work on an NFL field , he just doesnt have the want to.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 09:10 AM
Guys, do you all not realize how much non-football negatve publicity and distraction Leinart has always carried with him? The Texans have had their problems, but one of them has not been having to deal with trying to ignore an 800 pound gorilla in the room.............while still trying to develop team chemistry and advancement.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 09:12 AM
The Texans have had their problems, but one of them has not been having to deal with trying to ignore an 800 pound gorilla in the room.............while still trying to develop team chemistry and advancement.
Do the Texans need this type of distraction? What they need is a backup QB. Leinart is a distraction that's not ready to be a backup QB for the Texans.

b0ng
09-06-2010, 09:18 AM
Texanstalk.com Where backup QB's and Kickers matter the most.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 09:20 AM
Texanstalk.com Where backup QB's and Kickers matter the most.
Backup QBs and kickers have had big impacts on this team, the past 2 seasons.

TexanDave
09-06-2010, 09:22 AM
Sign Leinart or anybody please! I am not happy with Orlovsky.

BSofA04
09-06-2010, 09:34 AM
BREAKING NEWS: Adam Schefter reports Leinert signs a one year deal with us!!! Heard it on Mike and Mike in the morning show.

(in case no one has reported it)

False Start
09-06-2010, 09:34 AM
Wow........ :kitten:

ObsiWan
09-06-2010, 09:35 AM
BREAKING NEWS: Adam Schefter reports Leinert signs a one year deal with us!!! Heard it on Mike and Mike in the morning show.

(in case no one has reported it)

I heard that too. I'll believe it when I see it on HT.com

rmartin65
09-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Sportscenter is saying the same thing. NOOOOOO!!!!

ObsiWan
09-06-2010, 09:42 AM
Sportscenter is saying the same thing. NOOOOOO!!!!

Scheffler was live on Mike & Mike when he said it.



And your sig is totally unfair. It could have been the other way around, that Gerhardt was the one who got hurt. Would you still keep running stats then?

Austrian
09-06-2010, 09:46 AM
Meh, I won't get all worked up about a 3rd stringer. I think it was a decent move. Perhaps he could be better in our offense, where arm strength isn't as important as is Arizona's offense. If it doesn't work out, just cut him.

Tonaaayyyy
09-06-2010, 09:47 AM
It's official

BullNation4Life
09-06-2010, 09:47 AM
Backup QBs and kickers have had big impacts on this team, the past 2 seasons.

and that is a troubling statement unto itself. If your team is having to depend on back up QBs and kickers to win games, they are not very good.....

I hope this statement changes this year....

Grams
09-06-2010, 09:48 AM
Boo !! :(

rmartin65
09-06-2010, 09:50 AM
And your sig is totally unfair. It could have been the other way around, that Gerhardt was the one who got hurt. Would you still keep running stats then?

Yep. I set it up after the draft, and dont see any reason to change it. I thought (before the injury) that Tate would have the advantage, as he was going to get many more carries.

BullNation4Life
09-06-2010, 09:51 AM
ehh, I am intrigued now just to see what Kubiak can do with him. Maybe Schaub takes Leinart under his wing and changes his attitude....

It will be interesting to say the least....

b0ng
09-06-2010, 09:51 AM
Backup QBs and kickers have had big impacts on this team, the past 2 seasons.

Kicker I understand. If your backup QB has to start more than 50% of the regular season you are probably boned anyway. Hell Jacksonville and Tennessee get away with having 0 starting QB's.

MightyTExan
09-06-2010, 09:52 AM
The only upside I see is that he is a prototypical west coast offense QB and probably smart enought to handle it, but after that I got nothin..................:thinking:

b0ng
09-06-2010, 09:52 AM
Maybe Leinart was brought in to settle the Johnson/Fitzgerald debate once and for all.

rmartin65
09-06-2010, 09:53 AM
Are we going with 3 QBs then? Or does Dan O. get cut? I do find it strange that we would carry the same amount of QBs as RBs.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 09:54 AM
Scheffler was live on Mike & Mike when he said it.

Here's Schefter's twitter link (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/23144805033):
Filed to ESPN: Matt Leinart has reached agreement with the Texans on a one-year deal.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 09:57 AM
Are we going with 3 QBs then? Or does Dan O. get cut? I do find it strange that we would carry the same amount of QBs as RBs.
I'm sure a RB finds their way onto the practice squad.

How can the Texans cut Orlovsky, when Leinart knows nothing of the playbook? Will it take Leinart a month? Half the season? I get trying to replace Orlovsky, just not real confident that Leinart is the answer.

b0ng
09-06-2010, 10:03 AM
Are we going with 3 QBs then? Or does Dan O. get cut? I do find it strange that we would carry the same amount of QBs as RBs.

We kept 3 last year. I imagine that is what we'll do this year. Don't know who will be #2, though if Dan is worth anything it'll be him.

Drew_Smoke
09-06-2010, 10:05 AM
I like it. Danno sux. If Leinart sux....cut him. It is worth a shot.

Houston_Fanatic
09-06-2010, 10:10 AM
I heard that too. I'll believe it when I see it on HT.com

Wow. I believe it since it is Schefter reporting it - his sources are excellent and he is rarely wrong.

BSofA04
09-06-2010, 10:11 AM
So in the end, we got 2 top-10 picks in the 2006 NFL draft :hides:

Pantherstang84
09-06-2010, 10:13 AM
Why don't we just call The Methodist Training Center, The Gary Kubiak QB Rehabilitation Center. To me Matt Leinart = HWSNBN Part Deaux. Tons of talent but horrible work ethic.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 10:13 AM
Wow. I believe it since it is Schefter reporting it
As is NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a4e762/article/leinart-agrees-to-a-oneyear-deal-with-the-texans?module=HP_headlines).

Does La Canfora ever tire of being wrong?

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 10:18 AM
Texanstalk.com Where backup QB's and Kickers matter the most.

:spit: Right on B0ng!!!

Houston_Fanatic
09-06-2010, 10:19 AM
As is NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a4e762/article/leinart-agrees-to-a-oneyear-deal-with-the-texans?module=HP_headlines).

Does La Canfora ever tire of being wrong?

I hope is is wrong about Schobel.

Corrosion
09-06-2010, 10:19 AM
Why don't we just call The Methodist Training Center, The Gary Kubiak QB Rehabilitation Center. To me Matt Leinart = HWSNBN Part Deaux. Tons of talent but horrible work ethic.

I wouldnt go that far - Im by no means a Leinart fan but even I will concede he's a better football player than Dan-O. This move is about upgrading the roster.

BSofA04
09-06-2010, 10:22 AM
Big picture, what does this say about the organization's trust in Dan-O? Would we still pursue Leinert had Orlovsky not thrown 2 picks against the Bucs? Kubiak talks about his solid camp but perhaps he doesn't think Orlovsky can protect the football.

Honoring Earl 34
09-06-2010, 10:22 AM
Why don't we just call The Methodist Training Center, The Gary Kubiak QB Rehabilitation Center. To me Matt Leinart = HWSNBN Part Deaux. Tons of talent but horrible work ethic.

I think the big difference is mittens had family telling him how great he was and following him everywhere . Mittens just now admitted that a lot of the sacks were his fault . Matt has no mittens if he admits his mistakes and realizes that this is a chance to jumpstart his career .

I think Matt is a lefthanded Schaub where he's more of a dart thrower than a strong armed qb . Is this bad ... nope ... this is a good system for that if he works hard .

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 10:24 AM
Maybe Leinart was brought in to settle the Johnson/Fitzgerald debate once and for all.

Why? Because he's such a good evaluator of performance? I wonder what he will say now that he's a Texan.:sarcasm:

toronto
09-06-2010, 10:26 AM
All I can say is this signing is just awful. Leinart will be out of football very shortly, mostly because he simply doesn't care. He's the anti-Peyton Manning.

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 10:26 AM
Why? Because he's such a good evaluator of performance? I wonder what he will say now that he's a Texan.:sarcasm:

I could care less how he plays or what he has to say........ Just share the hot tub babes, Matt..... :D

Houston_Fanatic
09-06-2010, 10:28 AM
Are we going with 3 QBs then? Or does Dan O. get cut? I do find it strange that we would carry the same amount of QBs as RBs.

I don't see us cutting DanO because he knows our offense and Leinart does not (yet).

**edited to add** but we have to cut someone when Cushing comes back......:kitten:

whiskeyrbl
09-06-2010, 10:28 AM
I think the big difference is mittens had family telling him how great he was and following him everywhere . Mittens just now admitted that a lot of the sacks were his fault . Matt has no mittens if he admits his mistakes and realizes that this is a chance to jumpstart his career .

I think Matt is a lefthanded Schaub where he's more of a dart thrower than a strong armed qb . Is this bad ... nope ... this is a good system for that if he works hard .

Let's refer to the QB's by last name. I thought you were talking about Schaub at first (lol):voodoo:

Rey
09-06-2010, 10:30 AM
I don't see them cutting DanO...It's a one year deal...

Pretty sure Leinart wants to use this as a stepping stone to a starting opprotunity.

Texans34Life
09-06-2010, 10:33 AM
Low risk, high reward. Schaub is going to be healthy all season and Leinart will be on the bench. At least he will learn from a good former QB coach and Uncle Rico before going back on the market next season.

Rasputin
09-06-2010, 10:34 AM
This sure is alot of fuss over a 1 year deal for a third-string quarterback.

This is Indy week people....focus.

TexanBorn51
09-06-2010, 10:35 AM
It's Labor Day the unemployment job rate is record high... hire him for one year. Congrats and wishfully hoping the turnaround best. Have a great Labor Day. What are the better options out there to the present QB situation anyway.

ArlingtonTexan
09-06-2010, 10:37 AM
Low risk, high reward. Schaub is going to be healthy all season and Leinart will be on the bench. At least he will learn from a good former QB coach and Uncle Rico before going back on the market next season.

This is what we all hope. Anyway, even with well documented flaws Leinert is still the best guy on the market.

Revolution
09-06-2010, 10:37 AM
It is amazing what the proliferation of tabloid TV, even sports channels has done to this country. I guess it is society in general. We judge someone without much basis in fact. Appearances say he is a playboy and he doesn't really care about football. How many of you actually know this guy well enough to know where football ranks for him? By the way, how many of you guys are just envious? :slapfight: Khari, can we get a hot tub smilie?

I'm not saying NOT to have an opinion. Just give the guy a chance.

:worldpeace: :texflag:

Lucky
09-06-2010, 10:40 AM
Anyway, even with well documented flaws Leinert is still the best guy on the market.
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.

MojoMan
09-06-2010, 10:41 AM
Finding a backup QB can be like shopping for clothes at an outlet store. You have to be willing to be patient and sort through a number of options in order to hopefully find one item that you really like - if you are lucky!

So, that is what the Texans are doing right now with their backup QB position. After the top 32 QB's in the league, what is left are not the most stylish options. So, they Texans are rifling through the prospects trying to find a keeper. Maybe that could still turn out to be Orlovsky. Or, maybe that is Leinart. Or, maybe it is not either of these two guys. If neither is a keeper, then they will just keep looking and muddle by the best they can, just like almost every other team in the NFL.

MojoMan
09-06-2010, 10:42 AM
Here is a link to the ESPN story on the Leinert signing:

Sources: Matt Leinart to join Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5538812)

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 10:42 AM
I think the big difference is mittens had family telling him how great he was and following him everywhere . Mittens just now admitted that a lot of the sacks were his fault . Matt has no mittens if he admits his mistakes and realizes that this is a chance to jumpstart his career .

I think Matt is a lefthanded Schaub where he's more of a dart thrower than a strong armed qb . Is this bad ... nope ... this is a good system for that if he works hard .

McNair and Co. were more interested in propagating and promoting this same "squeaky clean family aura" more than what should have determined his value...............PERFORMANCE.

Houston_Fanatic
09-06-2010, 10:43 AM
It is amazing what the proliferation of tabloid TV, even sports channels has done to this country. I guess it is society in general. We judge someone without much basis in fact. Appearances say he is a playboy and he doesn't really care about football. How many of you actually know this guy well enough to know where football ranks for him? By the way, how many of you guys are just envious? :slapfight: Khari, can we get a hot tub smilie?

I'm not saying NOT to have an opinion. Just give the guy a chance.

:worldpeace: :texflag:

Uhhh.... hardly anyone here knows the players on a personal level. The players are judged by their performance on the field, what they say to the media and their actions. Nearly everything said about Leinart fits into one of those 3 categories.

And we hope to NOT give the guy a chance this year, thankyouverymuch.

Revolution
09-06-2010, 10:45 AM
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.

What sets Rosenfels apart from Orlovsky? Rosenfels, given the chance to start, looked a lot like Orlovsky. Look great for 8 passes, then make a terrible mistake that costs us the game...

We are viewing Rosenfels' time here with us with rose colored glasses. His first year when he stepped in, he looked great. The second year, not so much.

dalemurphy
09-06-2010, 10:45 AM
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.

I'm probably more dispassionate about this acquisition than I am about Jamar Wall and David Nixon. I'm actually still reeling from the loss of Steve Maneri. So, clearly I have my own issues. As a result of my insanity, though, I think I have a unique perspective on what the signing does indicate. Here's our story:

It is now being reported by Adam Schefter, John McClain, and others that the Texans have agreed to terms with Matt Leinart. After all the dust settles from the last two days of roster moves, including the signings of David Nixon and Jamar Wall, the Texans 53rd roster spot entering week one is Matt “Hot Tub” Leinart. Strange.

I can’t help but think that Matt Leinart doesn’t fit with the kind of football player the Houston Texans have been collecting the past few years. So, why am I not alarmed? Perhaps I was content with the roster when it was at 52. I certainly don’t see Matt Leinart as a threat to Matt Schaub. Plus, I think I get this move. It doesn’t cost the Texans anything other than bad hot tub jokes. Gary Kubiak, for an NFL head coach, is a remarkably humble man. However, he is arrogant about his ability to coach QBs. He thought he could repair David Carr and turn him into the franchise QB.

Continue Story and view ridiculous picture here (http://www.texansbullblog.com/2010-roster-completed-signing-matt-leinart-weird/news/)

IDEXAN
09-06-2010, 10:46 AM
Is this the first Heisman-winner on the Texans roster ?

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 10:46 AM
Finding a backup QB can be like shopping for clothes at an outlet store. You have to be willing to be patient and sort through a number of options in order to hopefully find one item that you really like - if you are lucky!

So, that is what the Texans are doing right now with their backup QB position. After the top 32 QB's in the league, what is left are not the most stylish options. So, they Texans are rifling through the prospects trying to find a keeper. Maybe that could still turn out to be Orlovsky. Or, maybe that is Leinart. Or, maybe it is not either of these two guys. If neither is a keeper, then they will just keep looking and muddle by the best they can, just like almost every other team in the NFL.

A down and out person finding a $2000 suit with the tags still on it doesn't usually work well for either.:tiphat:

dream_team
09-06-2010, 10:47 AM
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.

How do you know the Texans didn't try to get him? Or maybe he burned some bridges on his way out?

Revolution
09-06-2010, 10:48 AM
Uhhh.... hardly anyone here knows the players on a personal level. The players are judged by their performance on the field, what they say to the media and their actions. Nearly everything said about Leinart fits into one of those 3 categories.

And we hope to NOT give the guy a chance this year, thankyouverymuch.

That's my whole point regarding the media and coverage of celebrities, but thanks.

We haven't seen enough of Leinart to judge his on field performance. A young QB is going to make mistakes. He really hasn't had a chance to show what he can do on the field.

Rey
09-06-2010, 10:48 AM
True. But Rosenfels was on the market. And that's what disappoints some of us.

Not sure why so many people wanted Sage.

Yeah he had shown that he was capable of doing some good things. He had also shown he was capable of monumental brain failures. He lost games for us that we should have/could have won.

I'd rather have a back-up that knows they're a back-up and not some guy on a constant quest to prove they should be a starter.

As of right now, both Leinart and DanO know they are nothing but back-ups here. Maybe Sage has changed, but I'll pass on the bad Karma.

Rey
09-06-2010, 10:49 AM
How do you know the Texans didn't try to get him? Or maybe he burned some bridges on his way out?

That too..

Maybe the Giants just gave up more for him than what the Texans offered. I hope they didn't offer anything though. Let him go on with his career.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 10:50 AM
Is this the first Heisman-winner on the Texans roster ?

QB Danny Wuerffel.............How did that work out for us?:kitten:

TheRealJoker
09-06-2010, 10:51 AM
Matt Leinart was brought in to finally settle the debate!!!

Who is the best WR in the NFL? Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald?

Andre Johnson was a pro bowler under 1st round bust David Carr while other top WRs such as Steve Smith disappeared when ocho stinko took the field.

The Cardinals were so afraid Larry Fitzgerald would be rendered ineffective by Leinart's play that they cut him outright and let David freaking Anderson be their QB.

Hopefully the evidence is rendered inconclusive because Schaub stays healthy. I don't know if the rest of the Houston passing offense would be able to function at superstar capacity with Leinart at QB and I don't want to find out. But I do know that AJ will percevere no matter who is playing QB!!!

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 10:51 AM
That's my whole point regarding the media and coverage of celebrities, but thanks.

We haven't seen enough of Leinart to judge his on field performance. A young QB is going to make mistakes. He really hasn't had a chance to show what he can do on the field.

He's had 11 starts. He clearly was outplayed by Derek Anderson this year/preseason for the Cardinals....



OTOH, meh, he'll be the third behind DanO.... No blood, no foul!

Lucky
09-06-2010, 10:52 AM
ESPN blogger Paul Kuharsky's take (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth) on the Leinart signing:

Gary Kubiak is a capable quarterback developer.

Much of Matt Schaub’s success is thanks to his Kubiak’s mentoring. Say what you will about Sage Rosenfels, but he was a more valuable quarterback when the Texans dealt him away than when they got him. Rex Grossman’s year in Houston allowed him to revive his career as a backup and move on to Washington.

Dan Orlovsky, however, has been a dud. We hear from Kubiak about what a good camp he’s had and how a couple really bad decisions in preseason games aren’t enough to wash it away. But the fact is, as with the vast majority of teams, if the starter goes down the Texans are in trouble.

Enter Matt Leinart.

He won't cure anything now for the Texans -- he needs rebuilding. But Kubiak and quarterback coach Greg Knapp can work with Leinart behind the scenes and try "fix" him. I think it starts with a combination confidence and realization of the work that needs to be done, and I think they can do good work in those departments.

Seems to me it's not a particularly risky investment and could have a lot of upside. He surely didn't get big dollars. If they can turn him around, they’ll have a guy to bump Orlovsky down, or off, the depth chart.

If not, they’d have lost only a little money and time.
If the Texans had picked up Leinart prior to OTAs & camp, this would make sense. But, how much development can Kubiak & Knapp accomplish during the season? And Leinart has just a one year contract.

Dishman
09-06-2010, 10:52 AM
Meh, I won't get all worked up about a 3rd stringer. I think it was a decent move. Perhaps he could be better in our offense, where arm strength isn't as important as is Arizona's offense. If it doesn't work out, just cut him.

Agreed. There is much more to be concerned with than a one-year flyer on a former Heisman winner that will fill the role of 3rd string QB.

It seems like Orlovsky will still be the 2nd horse out of the stable which is just as, if not more, concerning as the Leinhart deal

Lucky
09-06-2010, 10:55 AM
What sets Rosenfels apart from Orlovsky? Rosenfels, given the chance to start, looked a lot like Orlovsky.
That's absurd. Rosenfels was 6-6 as a starter here. He proved that he could hold the fort if Schaub went out for a few games. Orlovsky's a train wreck.

Revolution
09-06-2010, 10:57 AM
He's had 11 starts. He clearly was outplayed by Derek Anderson this year/preseason for the Cardinals....

When were those starts, in his rookie season?

Please tell me how Derek Anderson outplayed him? He barely got a chance to play.

Dan B.
09-06-2010, 10:59 AM
Orlovsky's still got better career numbers than Leinart. If he's been a train wreck how bad has Matty been so far?

Pollardized
09-06-2010, 11:01 AM
Is this the first Heisman-winner on the Texans roster ?

How could you forget about Ron Dayne? Damn Ron Dayne!!!!

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 11:01 AM
QB Danny Wuerffel.............How did that work out for us?:kitten:

It scored us Jerry DeLoach in a trade!! :ahhaha:

GP
09-06-2010, 11:03 AM
We kept 3 last year. I imagine that is what we'll do this year. Don't know who will be #2, though if Dan is worth anything it'll be him.

They are BOTH number 2 in my book.

Revolution
09-06-2010, 11:03 AM
That's absurd. Rosenfels was 6-6 as a starter here. He proved that he could hold the fort if Schaub went out for a few games. Orlovsky's a train wreck.

You don't know what Orlovsky would do with the first team (I don't want to find out). Rosenfels was a disaster his last year here with us. He couldn't even beat out Tavaris Jackson for second string in Minnesota. What does that tell you?

Hey he is now the backup in NY, holding the same clipboard that David Carr did last year. Congrats to him.

That being said, I don't want to be the one who rails on Rosenfels. I know when he steps on the field, he gives everything he has to the team.

b0ng
09-06-2010, 11:07 AM
They are BOTH number 2 in my book.

Your book is a pamphlet.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 11:08 AM
You don't know what Orlovsky would do with the first team (I don't want to find out).
I know what he can do with the 2nd team vs the opposition's 2nd team. I know that even Kubiak doesn't believe in Orlovsky, at this point. What I don't know is why Kubiak couldn't see this earlier in the offseason or preseason, and bring in a decent vet QB as a backup.

texan279
09-06-2010, 11:09 AM
Was there no one else even worth taking a look at besides Leinart??? Seems like we jumped on Leinart pretty fast........

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 11:10 AM
When were those starts, in his rookie season?

Please tell me how Derek Anderson outplayed him? He barely got a chance to play.

5 of those starts were his rookie season. He's had 6 since then. Kinda like Sage 2.0...

Yankee_In_TX
09-06-2010, 11:10 AM
*shakes head*

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 11:10 AM
I can't wait for the "Start Leinart" posts to commence!!! :lol:

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 11:11 AM
*shakes head*

Maybe :facepalm: is more appropriate!! :bender:

GP
09-06-2010, 11:16 AM
ESPN blogger Paul Kuharsky's take (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth) on the Leinart signing:


If the Texans had picked up Leinart prior to OTAs & camp, this would make sense. But, how much development can Kubiak & Knapp accomplish during the season? And Leinart has just a one year contract.

Let me expand on your post...if I may,

Leinart is not looking to "fix" his QB issues.

He's doing a Lohan here. He's giving the appearance of trying to fix things, but it's all a show. Leinart is not here for us. He's here for HIM. He's embarrassed that he got cut, he's embarrassed that he took a one-year contract (which is the same as saying to him "Dude, you suck and might not even be a part of our team after this season"), and he knows he's low man on the totem pole. He's behind Dan Orlovsky. Dan. Orlovsky.

So what is he going to do? He's going to try and lay low. He's going to sit back and give THE APPEARANCE that he's in it to win it. He'll do what's asked of him, for sure, but this is what's in the back of his head: "This is just like rehab. Gotta' do it, stick it out, and then bust out of this joint after this year."

He's going to sit with us for one year, then use us as a way to try and get a better gig on another team. Houston is the girl you use in order to get to the girl you really want to go out with. Period.

He's an ass hat in my opinion. Don't know anything about him except that he has an entitlement mentality about him. You don't change your stripes that easily the older you get. I don't see him doing us a damn bit of good. If he's under a 1-year contract, then how the hell can we trade him for something even IF he gets better?

Yeah, I understand not freaking out about Leinart as 3rd string QB. It's just the fact that out of 31 teams out there it was the Texans that picked up this piece of crap Lohan-type QB. Awesome.

Revolution
09-06-2010, 11:17 AM
5 of those starts were his rookie season. He's had 6 since then. Kinda like Sage 2.0...

Actually, he has 17 starts, 11 in his rookie season, 6 since. I am not a Leinart fan by the way. I'm just willing to give him a chance. I don't really see any better alternatives out there. Not a big fan of JDB, Orlavsky or Rosenfels...

Pollardized
09-06-2010, 11:17 AM
My take on Matt Leinart: Being a tu longhorn hater, I was a big fan of Leinart in 2004 and 2005. I remember the guy being a winner, doing what it took to win a game. He was incredibly accurate (like Matt Schaub), he wasn't known for having a big arm (like Matt Schaub), maybe he needs a mentor who really knows how to bring out the best in a QB and an offense (like Matt Schaub).

Being a high draft pick, annointed the best without ever having to prove one's self, can be very difficult. Big paychecks, hot women, fast cars, fast lifestyle, these things have been the downfall of many pro athletes. Sometimes a man has to be humbled a little. Getting released and having to sign a deal as the 3rd QB behind Dan O could be a humbling experience.

In a perfect world, our backup QB's will only see action this year in the 4th quarter as we blowout many opponents. But the unthinkable could happen. If we needed a QB to come in, I think I would rather have someone who was a winner on a big stage in the past (Leinart), over someone who ran out of the back of the endzone. I say give him a chance and see what happens. He's not here to be our savior. He's not here to bring our team up to a respectable level. He's here to learn, fill in if needed, and support the team.

GP
09-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Your book is a pamphlet.

What?

Tailgate
09-06-2010, 11:18 AM
Agreed. There is much more to be concerned with than a one-year flyer on a former Heisman winner that will fill the role of 3rd string QB.

It seems like Orlovsky will still be the 2nd horse out of the stable which is just as, if not more, concerning as the Leinhart deal

And I agree on your agree. If Schaub goes down we are screwed just like most NFL teams in the NFL would if they lose their starter. 2nd and 3rd stringers are not going to get us to the promise land. period. So it all comes out in the wash imo and most likely or hopefully we never speak of these two guys again for a while.

Brando
09-06-2010, 11:18 AM
So in the end, we got 2 top-10 picks in the 2006 NFL draft :hides:


So far the 2006 draft has netted Mario,DeMeco,Pollard(from KC of course),Winston,Daniels,Anderson, and now Leinart. If Lienart works out like the last person cut from the 2006 draft that we picked up(Pollard) we will have added more depth to our deepest roster in our history.



I like the news! It's good!

Craig.
09-06-2010, 11:25 AM
http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz33/BlaqkRoxstar/3facepalm.jpg

Overalls
09-06-2010, 11:27 AM
I don't know what to think about the pick up. I am not a Leinart guy. I think the 06 draft is looking like it was more about the hype on QB's instead of the real deal like in 02 when we drafted mittens. At that time most of the talking heads thought we made a sound choice. Oh well it looks like 4 years later we still ende up with a better QB than the ICOU did from that draft.

Pollardized
09-06-2010, 11:28 AM
So far the 2006 draft has netted Mario,DeMeco,Pollard(from KC of course),Winston,Daniels,Anderson, and now Leinart. If Lienart works out like the last person cut from the 2006 draft that we picked up(Pollard) we will have added more depth to our deepest roster in our history.



I like the news! It's good!

Hey don't forget the great Wali Lundy!

Brando
09-06-2010, 11:29 AM
Hey don't forget the great Wali Lundy!

I wish I could have added Spencer and if not for one running back he would have been included.:rake:

Texan Asylum
09-06-2010, 11:33 AM
My take on Matt Leinart: Being a tu longhorn hater, I was a big fan of Leinart in 2004 and 2005. I remember the guy being a winner, doing what it took to win a game. He was incredibly accurate (like Matt Schaub), he wasn't known for having a big arm (like Matt Schaub), maybe he needs a mentor who really knows how to bring out the best in a QB and an offense (like Matt Schaub).

Being a high draft pick, annointed the best without ever having to prove one's self, can be very difficult. Big paychecks, hot women, fast cars, fast lifestyle, these things have been the downfall of many pro athletes. Sometimes a man has to be humbled a little. Getting released and having to sign a deal as the 3rd QB behind Dan O could be a humbling experience.

In a perfect world, our backup QB's will only see action this year in the 4th quarter as we blowout many opponents. But the unthinkable could happen. If we needed a QB to come in, I think I would rather have someone who was a winner on a big stage in the past (Leinart), over someone who ran out of the back of the endzone. I say give him a chance and see what happens. He's not here to be our savior. He's not here to bring our team up to a respectable level. He's here to learn, fill in if needed, and support the team.

Not worth much, but this is my take on it as well. Genuine humility can be quite the motivator.

Eagerly awaiting the Colts and opening day! :texflag:

Texan Asylum
09-06-2010, 11:39 AM
Don't know about their credibilty but these guys are stating that Leinart has the number 2 spot over Dan-O...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Texans-agree-to-terms-with-Matt-Leinart.html

Wolf
09-06-2010, 11:40 AM
friom their messageboard

It will be interesting to see how he reacts. Like you said sometimes change can be good. He now must realize or better realize that he must take his game to a higher level to be a starting NFL qb. He has to rebuild himself, everything from his "laid back attitude" to greatly improving his overall passing game. Getting back quicker, reading the defenses quicker, getting the ball out on time quicker. He certainly knows how to check down, but now he can watch another guy in Schaub that knows how to aggressive attack a defense with the mid-range to deep passing game. If we see him standing on the sidelines this year with that same detached (I am too cool) look, we will know he doesn't get it or ever will. Let's see some energy out of him even if it is just as the backup. How he greets other players coming off the field, etc.



http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=51288

JB
09-06-2010, 11:41 AM
Don't know about their credibilty but these guys are stating that Leinart has the number 2 spot over Dan-O...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Texans-agree-to-terms-with-Matt-Leinart.html

Written by a Ravens fan. I doubt he knows much of the inside info about the Texans.

Texan Asylum
09-06-2010, 11:45 AM
Written by a Ravens fan. I doubt he knows much of the inside info about the Texans.

Good point...didn't take that into consideration. :tiphat:

Thorn
09-06-2010, 11:46 AM
I don't care for this, but I'm not going get upset over it other than to say I didn't want him here. At this time of the season getting a 2nd or 3rd QB is difficult anyway.

What I don't like about him is he's a leftie and he brings his baggage with him. Remember how we laughed at Carolina for signing our former 1st round pick QB? Arizona is probably laughing their ass of at us right now.

In fact, I'm wondering what they are say on their BBS about it. I think I'll go check it out.

gwallaia
09-06-2010, 11:49 AM
I've seen a couple of comments in this thread about Matt #2 being left-handed. I can see this being a real problem if Matt #1 goes down with an injury.

The offensive line has to think differently. The receivers may have to do things differently.

I wish Kubiak would have called me first to discuss this deal in more detail before signing Matt #2. I have some real concerns.

JB
09-06-2010, 11:52 AM
You know this may just be a strategic move. They had the roster space and if someone were to lose the starting qb early, the Texans have a former Heisman winner as trade bait.

drs23
09-06-2010, 11:54 AM
My take on Matt Leinart: Being a tu longhorn hater, I was a big fan of Leinart in 2004 and 2005. I remember the guy being a winner, doing what it took to win a game. He was incredibly accurate (like Matt Schaub), he wasn't known for having a big arm (like Matt Schaub), maybe he needs a mentor who really knows how to bring out the best in a QB and an offense (like Matt Schaub).

Being a high draft pick, annointed the best without ever having to prove one's self, can be very difficult. Big paychecks, hot women, fast cars, fast lifestyle, these things have been the downfall of many pro athletes. Sometimes a man has to be humbled a little. Getting released and having to sign a deal as the 3rd QB behind Dan O could be a humbling experience.

In a perfect world, our backup QB's will only see action this year in the 4th quarter as we blowout many opponents. But the unthinkable could happen. If we needed a QB to come in, I think I would rather have someone who was a winner on a big stage in the past (Leinart), over someone who ran out of the back of the endzone. I say give him a chance and see what happens. He's not here to be our savior. He's not here to bring our team up to a respectable level. He's here to learn, fill in if needed, and support the team.

Of all the takes, spins, analogies and opinions expressed thus far Mr. Pollardized, I think, has hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have expressed my opinion as well. :tiphat:

kcdoubleeagle
09-06-2010, 11:54 AM
Lionheart!!! Ftw!

Thorn
09-06-2010, 11:57 AM
Here's some quotes from the Arizona board I found interesting.

I wouldn't doubt for a second that ML had options. You can call it humility if you want. Seems like a poor decision to me though, there a dozen clubs he could have signed with where there might be a glimmer of hope of starting. Houston is not one of those places though. Schaub is a monster.

Well, its all about being a team player. Schaub can provide the injury. Matt the poor QB play.

Great signing! Matt Leinart can hold a clip board and wear an ear piece like no other!


I think it was a very mature decision on Leinart's part. It shows that he has the humility that many people claim he lacks. He could do a lot worse than work with Gary Kubiak, a former qb himself. At least Kubiak will not allow the team to decide whether they are going to give their 100% if they do or don't 'connect' with their qb. I think he'll do just fine

steelbtexan
09-06-2010, 12:00 PM
Too many negatives and not much upside with Leinhart .... We've seen his body of work on an NFL field , he just doesnt have the want to.

Agreed

But he's still better than Dan O. Which is sad.

Let Kubes work with him and lets see if he improves.

I think he lacks mobility and arm strength to be a starter but will be fine as a backup.

HTown2ATX
09-06-2010, 12:12 PM
Wow. Ok, everyone has seen him play right..........

:facepalm:

Yeah, I know if Schaub goes down we are screwed anyway...blah, blah, blah....but seriously....we've seen him play right....fail!

:gun:

However it is fun to see the excuses he is now given now that he is putting on a Houston uniform and how there is "potential" for him possibly. Sounds like another QB we once had, didn't Kubes try this once?? I like Kubes but there is something about making the same blunder twice. Yes, I realize we are talking about a backup, I get it, but Matt has been in the league for sometime now so yes, it is very similar to the situation we had with Mittens before we finally cut the cord...sorry.

:cow:

The1ApplePie
09-06-2010, 12:13 PM
Matt finally in a city where he can get his groove properly on:cow:

Good fit for both

1. Ton a weapons
2. Great QB coach
3. Similar system
4. A starting QB with durability issues

Great place to breathe life into a new career.

With Mike Williams comming back in Seattle, its good to see a few Trojans getting back on the horse

bckey
09-06-2010, 12:13 PM
I'm ok with the signing. If Kubiak can some how turn Leinart around and get at worst a capable backup and at best a starting caliber qb then the Texans score with this signing. If he continues down the same path he did in Arizona then the Texans cut bait and move on. Leinart can't do any worse than Grossman did last year in Jacksonville. Everyone needs to take emotion out of the Leinart signing and just see it for what it is. QB depth with experience.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 12:14 PM
I've seen a couple of comments in this thread about Matt #2 being left-handed. I can see this being a real problem if Matt #1 goes down with an injury.

The offensive line has to think differently. The receivers may have to do things differently.

I wish Kubiak would have called me first to discuss this deal in more detail before signing Matt #2. I have some real concerns.

There have been only less than 30 left-handed QBs in the history of the NFL. How many have excelled? How many do you even recognize?

Frankie Albert
Terry Baker
Mark Brunell
Ernie Case
Jim DelGaizo
Bobby Douglass
Boomer Esiason
JJ Fitzpatrick
Will Furrer
Tony Graziani
David Greene
David Humm
Matt Leinart
Jared Lorenzen
Matt Lytle
Todd Marinovich
Steve Matthews
Paul McDonald
Cade McNown
Scott Mitchell
Doug Nussmeier
Dave Ragone
Allie Sherman
Chris Simms
Ken Stabler
Michael Vick
Eric Wilhelm
Steve Young
Jim Zorn

I posted on the "complications" of taking on a lefty QB http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1512249&postcount=18........which, is only multi-magnified when you are talking about a backup who may be expected to be an emergency insert.

The Pencil Neck
09-06-2010, 12:18 PM
QB Danny Wuerffel.............How did that work out for us?:kitten:

Don't forget Ron Dayne.

Carr Bombed
09-06-2010, 12:21 PM
I don't care for this, but I'm not going get upset over it other than to say I didn't want him here. At this time of the season getting a 2nd or 3rd QB is difficult anyway.

What I don't like about him is he's a leftie and he brings his baggage with him. Remember how we laughed at Carolina for signing our former 1st round pick QB? Arizona is probably laughing their ass of at us right now.

In fact, I'm wondering what they are say on their BBS about it. I think I'll go check it out.

Doubt it....we were laughing our asses off at Panther fans, because Panther fans were acting like David Carr was going to be their savior at the QB position and the guy who was going to unseat Jake Delhomme.

We aren't looking at Lienart like he's going to unseat Matt Schaub and become a franchise QB (which is how Panther fans felt about Carr), we're just trying to upgrade the backup QB position...which sadly with Dan Orlovsky isn't going to be that hard to do.

JDB > Orlovsky

Lienart > Orlovsky

My grandmother > Orlovsky

This Dude (http://k14.vcmedia.vn/Images/Uploaded/Share/2009/07/02/090702CL1nickvujicic1.jpg) > Orlovsky


Seriously, I don't know why so many people are complaining.....it's a one year deal (which means they can cut him at any time) and it's not like we currently have better options at that position.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 12:25 PM
There have been only less than 30 left-handed QBs in the history of the NFL. How many have excelled? How many do you even recognize?
The ratio between good and bad right handed QBs can't be much different. I mean if someone like Steve Young, Boomer Esiason, or Snake Stabler were available, you'd jump on them.

I think the question boils down to is, regardless of his throwing arm, can the guy play? Thus far, the answer on Leinart is....no. Which is why he was sooo available.

Rey
09-06-2010, 12:25 PM
The fact that he's a lefty means little. O line will not have to do much differently.

Thorn
09-06-2010, 12:26 PM
Doubt it....we were laughing our asses off at Panther fans, because Panther fans were acting like David Carr was going to be their savior at the QB position and the guy who was going to unseat Jake Delhomme.


Yep. What I thought I was going to find and what I found were very different. Some of them making fun of Leinart, some wishing him well, very few making jabs at the Texans.

Carr Bombed
09-06-2010, 12:28 PM
There have been only less than 30 left-handed QBs in the history of the NFL. How many have excelled? How many do you even recognize?

Frankie Albert
Terry Baker
Mark Brunell
Ernie Case
Jim DelGaizo
Bobby Douglass
Boomer Esiason
JJ Fitzpatrick
Will Furrer
Tony Graziani
David Greene
David Humm
Matt Leinart
Jared Lorenzen
Matt Lytle
Todd Marinovich
Steve Matthews
Paul McDonald
Cade McNown
Scott Mitchell
Doug Nussmeier
Dave Ragone
Allie Sherman
Chris Simms
Ken Stabler
Michael Vick
Eric Wilhelm
Steve Young
Jim Zorn

I posted on the "complications" of taking on a lefty QB http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1512249&postcount=18........which, is only multi-magnified when you are talking about a backup who may be expected to be an emergency insert.

I don't think that success rate has anything to do with being a "lefty".

I bet if you listed all the right handers who played in this league, the % who actually did something notable in this league would have about the same success rate as the list you posted above.

The QB position is just a hard position to play and fill in this league and there's ALOT more QBs who flame out compared to the few who actually make it.

TexansFanatic
09-06-2010, 12:30 PM
There have been only less than 30 left-handed QBs in the history of the NFL. How many have excelled? How many do you even recognize?

Mark Brunell
Boomer Esiason
Ken Stabler
Michael Vick
Steve Young
Jim Zorn



I count six really good to great quarterbacks in that list of twenty-nine, and there may be one or two more whose names I don't recognize.

Six of twenty-nine means slightly over 20% of them are somewhere between really good and great. What percentage of righties are really good to great?

Carr Bombed
09-06-2010, 12:31 PM
The ratio between good and bad right handed QBs can't be much different. I mean if someone like Steve Young, Boomer Esiason, or Snake Stabler were available, you'd jump on them.

I think the question boils down to is, regardless of his throwing arm, can the guy play? Thus far, the answer on Leinart is....no. Which is why he was sooo available.

oh... Lucky beat me to it.


Don't really think that list has anything to do with being a lefty or a righty.....just means the QB position is going to have alot more flops regardless of what hand you throw with.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 12:32 PM
I'd take Steve Young as my backup QB, right now. Anything to get him off my TV screen. I know he'd be a better backup than he is a commentator (gag).

Rey
09-06-2010, 12:34 PM
I've seen a couple of comments in this thread about Matt #2 being left-handed. I can see this being a real problem if Matt #1 goes down with an injury.



The offensive line has to think differently. The receivers may have to do things differently.



I wish Kubiak would have called me first to discuss this deal in more detail before signing Matt #2. I have some real concerns.



There have been only less than 30 left-handed QBs in the history of the NFL. How many have excelled? How many do you even recognize?



Frankie Albert

Terry Baker

Mark Brunell

Ernie Case

Jim DelGaizo

Bobby Douglass

Boomer Esiason

JJ Fitzpatrick

Will Furrer

Tony Graziani

David Greene

David Humm

Matt Leinart

Jared Lorenzen

Matt Lytle

Todd Marinovich

Steve Matthews

Paul McDonald

Cade McNown

Scott Mitchell

Doug Nussmeier

Dave Ragone

Allie Sherman

Chris Simms

Ken Stabler

Michael Vick

Eric Wilhelm

Steve Young

Jim Zorn



I posted on the "complications" of taking on a lefty QB http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1512249&postcount=18........which, is only multi-magnified when you are talking about a backup who may be expected to be an emergency insert.

There are generally more righties in society. A lot of people who can throw with their left hand play baseball. That probably explains the small total amount.

The ratio of successful lefties is actually probably better than the ratio of successful righties. If you listed all of the right handed qbs that have ever been in the league against all the lefties you'd probably find that lefties have a higher success rate.

Hervoyel
09-06-2010, 12:35 PM
The only reason Leinart isn't backing up Anderson in Arizona right now is that he got into it with them over the decision to make him sit behind someone else and they determined that he would be a liability waiting in the wings and disgruntled. That's a fairly common and sensible decision on the Cardinals part.

I'm fairly certain that the Texans did not go into this situation without first discussing his role with Leinart and making sure that he understood that this is Schaub's team and that they weren't looking for someone to compete with him for the starting job. There's no history here between Leinart and the Texans. It's a one year gig to hold a clip board. Nothing more. Consider it comparable to Carr's stay in New York behind Eli Manning.

The worst thing that could possibly happen here is that Leinart isn't phased by his being cut and that he doesn't take the job here seriously. In that case we're right where the Panthers were back in 2007 when David Carr had to come in for Delhomme. If Leinart wasn't phased by being cut then I expect he'd be sitting at home waiting for someone to offer him a starting job somewhere. The league isn't exactly overstocked with great QB's. I don't think he has any delusions at this point. I think he realizes that he isn't making any progress with his career and needs a change of scenery/approach.

I bet that the Texans spoke with him, talked to him about getting his career back on track and working with Kubiak to help him with his game and clear up his reputation. I hope he was serious about it but he probably won't be here long enough to make any sort of difference. If he's smart he'll do the work and earn himself another chance at starting somewhere.

Hardcore Texan
09-06-2010, 12:37 PM
Texans sign Leinart huh. Can he play RB? :dancer:

keyser
09-06-2010, 12:37 PM
I count six really good to great quarterbacks in that list of twenty-nine, and there may be one or two more whose names I don't recognize.

Six of twenty-nine means slightly over 20% of them are somewhere between really good and great. What percentage of righties are really good to great?

I agree - that list makes me think that being a lefty would be an advantage.

But, I'm guessing there's also a self-selection issue to overcome. That is, a left-handed player probably has to be somewhat better (not equal to) a right-handed player to get a shot at playing (for the reasons people are worried about this issue, here). So, the people who actually make the NFL as left-handed QBs might be better, on average, than the right-handed NFL QBs, just because they had to be in order for the team to take them despite the potential drawbacks.

CloakNNNdagger
09-06-2010, 12:41 PM
Matt finally in a city where he can get his groove properly on:cow:

Good fit for both

1. Ton a weapons
2. Great QB coach
3. Similar system
4. A starting QB with durability issues

Great place to breathe life into a new career.

With Mike Williams comming back in Seattle, its good to see a few Trojans getting back on the horse

I don't believe that Leinart was very handicapped with Fitzgerald and Boldin. Referring to the Cardinals stint:

[QUOTE]Leinart immediately entered into a fantastic situation for a quarterback. In 2007, Larry Fitzgerald was coming off his first Pro Bowl, and Anquan Boldin had already established himself as one of the premier physical receivers in the game.

But it didn't matter. Leinart was still unable to succeed. While most failures at quarterback are plagued by a poor supporting cast, Leinart had a stellar array of weapons and he still played at a below-average level.

Fitzgerald, arguably the league's most talented wide receiver, best exemplifies Leinart's ineptitude. He only had one game with over 100 yards receiving with Leinart as his quarterback.

He is one of the best receivers in the game. If a quarterback can't find a way to get him the ball, there is obviously something wrong with the passer.

The November 22, 2009 game versus the St. Louis Rams was a perfect example of Leinart's inability to utilize Fitzgerald.

In the first half, Fitzgerald caught six passes for 74 yards and a touchdown. He was virtually uncoverable. However, that was with Kurt Warner at quarterback.

After taking a blow to the head, Warner left the game shortly before halftime, leaving Leinart to play the second half.


Christian Petersen/Getty Images Fitzgerald caught two passes for 16 yards and was a non-factor in the second half. The Cardinals scored no points in the half, and nearly blew a 21-3 lead to a 1-8 squad.[/URL]link (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/445620-matt-leinart-one-of-the-worst-qbs-in-nfl-history)

Nawzer
09-06-2010, 12:41 PM
I begrudgingly welcome you to the Houston Texans Mr. Leinart.:texflag:

jaayteetx
09-06-2010, 01:10 PM
So, who gets the ax to make room for him on the roster?

JB
09-06-2010, 01:11 PM
So, who gets the ax to make room for him on the roster?

There was room. They did cut Clark though.

beerlover
09-06-2010, 01:16 PM
anybody else notice Texans have now added two Cardinals....(Racker/Leinart) it's nice to move on from Denver & KC :fingergun:

Rey
09-06-2010, 01:17 PM
O line will not have to adjust. If the cards made a bunch of changes for him they weren't smart. Don't remember hearing much about this when vick was in atl or philly don't remember 49ers having big issues when young came aboard. The qb may see the field differently when taking snaps from under center but that is about the biggest difference.

dalemurphy
09-06-2010, 01:18 PM
anybody else notice Texans have now added two Cardinals....(Racker/Leinart) it's nice to move on from Denver & KC :fingergun:


Frank Bush connection!

Brisco_County
09-06-2010, 01:19 PM
anybody else notice Texans have now added two Cardinals....(Racker/Leinart) it's nice to move on from Denver & KC :fingergun:

Four Cardinals-- Antonio Smith and Frank Bush.

dalemurphy
09-06-2010, 01:20 PM
O line will not have to adjust. If the cards made a bunch of changes for him they weren't smart. Don't remember hearing much about this when vick was in atl or philly don't remember 49ers having big issues when young came aboard. The qb may see the field differently when taking snaps from under center but that is about the biggest difference.

Rey,

I'm not terribly concerned about this issue either. That being said, there are a couple of real differences:

1. RT protects his blind side.
2. Ball spins in reverse, which will likely complicate the ability for Texan WRs to catch the ball

Hervoyel
09-06-2010, 01:21 PM
Question. As little as Leinart is regarded (and understandably so) of available free agent QB's who would have been better?

I ask this because Chris Simms was also released by the Titans, has started some games, has arguably had more "success" (I say that while throwing up a little in the back of my mouth) and comes to you complete with a recent glimpse of the Tennessee Titans playbook. Would it have been better to wait a day or so and sign him?

kiwitexansfan
09-06-2010, 01:22 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Adam Schefter reports Leinert signs a one year deal with us!!! Heard it on Mike and Mike in the morning show.

(in case no one has reported it)

One year tyre kicking operation sounds fair to me.

He has potential, now to see if that can be shaped now he realises he is on the path to being out of football.

TheRealJoker
09-06-2010, 01:22 PM
Rey,

I'm not terribly concerned about this issue either. That being said, there are a couple of real differences:

1. RT protects his blind side.
2. Ball spins in reverse, which will likely complicate the ability for Texan WRs to catch the ball

Wasn't AJ's worst game as a Texan when Dave Ragone was starting? I believe it was against the Bucs his rookie year, but he dropped like 3 potential tds. A lot of people thought he had questionable hands, but it may have just been the left handed rotation on the ball...

beerlover
09-06-2010, 01:22 PM
Four Cardinals-- Antonio Smith and Frank Bush.

damn your right that's four wow what a pipeline :cow:

beerlover
09-06-2010, 01:26 PM
I'll try to be serious for a moment... Matt Leinart is an excellent pick-up for a couple reasons:
provides inusrance for Orlovsky
this is a QB hungry league, increase his stock possibly trade later for a draft pick

Norg
09-06-2010, 01:29 PM
And Dan O....

it takes time with QB danO has only been here a few months give him time what if in 2 years kubes molds him into another Schaub heck and Lineart 2 what if we had like 3 Schaubs on our team or even SUper Schaubs LOL hell in time Dano or ML might even be better then Schaub

Dan B.
09-06-2010, 01:30 PM
it takes time with QB danO has only been here a few months give him time what if in 2 years kubes molds him into another Schaub heck and Lineart 2 what if we had like 3 Schaubs on our team or even SUper Schaubs LOL hell in time Dano or ML might even be better then Schaub

Dan's had a year. He's shown that he sucks.

I'd still take him over Leinart. That guy has no future. It's Kubiak taking another pet project -- this is our new Zabransky.

Norg
09-06-2010, 01:31 PM
if Kubes stays around i feel he wants DanO or ML to be our Qb's of teh future so he doesnot have to waste a High Draft pick on a QB in the next few years

Norg
09-06-2010, 01:33 PM
Dan's had a year. He's shown that he sucks.

I'd still take him over Leinart. That guy has no future. It's Kubiak taking another pet project -- this is our new Zabransky.

so give him another Year

we stuck around with schaub for 2 and a half years till we seen Major gains

it might even be quicker with these gays if they can stay healthy

TheRealJoker
09-06-2010, 01:33 PM
You have to go through a lot of Brink's, Van Pelt's and Orlovsky's before you find your Steve Young's and Tom Brady's.

TheRealJoker
09-06-2010, 01:34 PM
so give him another Year

we stuck around with schaub for 2 and a half years till we seen Major gains

it might even be quicker with these gays if they can stay healthy

Schaub has produced since he's been here. His biggest problem prior to his breakout season last year was staying healthy. He's always put up the numbers when he's been on the field.

Carr Bombed
09-06-2010, 01:39 PM
so give him another Year

we stuck around with schaub for 2 and a half years till we seen Major gains

it might even be quicker with these gays if they can stay healthy

You could tell Schaub was a starter the second he got here with the way he handled himself, the way he handled his teammates, and with the composure and maturity he showed on the field and in the offense.

It didn't take 2 and a half years to get gains with Schaub.

Orlovsky sucks, each year we spend on him is another year wasted in player development.


What we need to do is cut Orlovsky the second Leinart becomes comfortable with the playbook, because that guy is just robbing McNair and is not nearly worth the 3 mil he makes a season..... then after this season spend a mid round draft pick on a young QB with upside that Kubiak can develop. I really wish we would've taken a flier on Brian Hoyer last season........that kid can play and the Pats got another late round QB steal.

Brisco_County
09-06-2010, 01:41 PM
So much lefty hate. I think I'm going to form the LDL: The Lefty Defamation League.

I would've preferred Sims to Leinart, but Kubiak didn't want to wait for a Sims to hit the market, he wanted Leinart the day he was available. Kubiak must see opportunity where no one else does, and my guess is because he's had previous success in developing a lefty, who ended up winning a Superbowl. Not many coaches want to go near a lefty, which is not only ignorant, it's bigoted. Lefties are people too.

edit:

so give him another Year

we stuck around with schaub for 2 and a half years till we seen Major gains

it might even be quicker with these gays if they can stay healthy

?

Schaub never had development issues, even early on. He was as solid as a beginner could be. The only reason it took him longer to put up good stats is because he kept sustaining dirty hits.

Texan_Bill
09-06-2010, 01:49 PM
Rey,

I'm not terribly concerned about this issue either. That being said, there are a couple of real differences:

1. RT protects his blind side.
2. Ball spins in reverse, which will likely complicate the ability for Texan WRs to catch the ball

I had no problems catching Dave Ragone's passes (when he actually got it to me)....


Signed,

Andre Johnson


:D

TheDrifter
09-06-2010, 01:49 PM
if Kubes stays around i feel he wants DanO or ML to be our Qb's of teh future so he doesnot have to waste a High Draft pick on a QB in the next few years

Schaubs 29 and only two years older than new Matt and Dan O.

We dont need a "QB of the future" for five or six years, at least. And its certainly never going to be Matt L or Dan O.

beerlover
09-06-2010, 01:56 PM
maybe getting his number changed will help him start a new identity, since Orlovsky already wears #7? I'm guessing he goes with lucky #13 :texflag:

thunderkyss
09-06-2010, 01:59 PM
What concerns me about this team is Schaub staying healthy. We were very fortunate last season. Maybe I am ignorant but I would rather see a Leinart who has had some time with Kubiak than O-Fer if Schaub gets injured.


I don't understand this thinking, I really don't.

He opened the season playing on a bum ankle, or a sprung hammy. Neither of which heals well, if you don't stay off it.

He dislocated his shoulder (or was it just a bad bruise), and came back that game.

I thought something else happened, that required him to wear a flack jacket as well, for several games.

Dudes as tough as any QB in the league. He knows he needs to be out there to win, so if at all possible, I believe he'll be there.

The only thing that will take him out of a game, would be the same things that would take Brady out, or Phillip Rivers out, or Carson Palmer out.

Hagar
09-06-2010, 02:01 PM
Question. As little as Leinart is regarded (and understandably so) of available free agent QB's who would have been better?

I ask this because Chris Simms was also released by the Titans, has started some games, has arguably had more "success" (I say that while throwing up a little in the back of my mouth) and comes to you complete with a recent glimpse of the Tennessee Titans playbook. Would it have been better to wait a day or so and sign him?

I just heard the news on the NFL channel and my jaw dropped. I'd still rather have JD Booty then either Dan O. or Matt Loser.

How about Jeff Garcia? He's had success in the past, he wants back in the NFL, and he knows the west coast offense.

Speedy
09-06-2010, 02:13 PM
I have a problem wasting a roster spot for either one of them and the Texans are going to waste 2 roster spots on BOTH of them. Having 2 suckass players at a position does not give you depth or options at that position. I really can't see hanging on to both of these guys all year.

I mean, why sign a guy - another guy - that you'll be just as screwed with if Schaub goes down? I don't like the signing. Doesn't make sense. 15 minutes of John Booty showed more than I've seen in 3 years of Matt Leinart.

BSofA04
09-06-2010, 02:19 PM
As a fan it's easy to ***** about this decision. However, we have a QB minded head coach. Kubiak clearly wanted Leinert. Why else did we jump so quickly? One year to see what the kid's got, then we cut bait or extend him. It's not like Leinert will have numerous takers after spending a year holding a clipboard.

Let's give him a chance to earn the backup role. If he pulls a Carr and doesn't have the work ethic, then the Texans will send him packing.

PHAROAH
09-06-2010, 02:23 PM
Troy Smith would have been a better choice but I think that if Leinhart stays with Kubiak for a few years I think that he could make a pretty good back up QB with better coaching than what he received with the cardinals.

thunderkyss
09-06-2010, 02:26 PM
Finding a backup QB can be like shopping for clothes at an outlet store. You have to be willing to be patient and sort through a number of options in order to hopefully find one item that you really like - if you are lucky!

So, that is what the Texans are doing right now with their backup QB position.

I don't know if that's what is going on. When Kubiak has been looking for a back-up QB, he's seen enough before they ever join the team, to sign them to a 3 year contract. Sage, DanO, they were signed before they ever saw Methodist Field. Heck, Schaub was signed to a pretty healthy Starters contract, before one day of evaluation was ever done in person.

But signing Grossman to a one year deal, or Lienart to a one year deal, tells me he's looking for something other than just a back-up. Maybe he is looking for a possible replacement.

Not to permanently replace Schaub, but in the event he goes down for an extended period of time, he'd like to have someone who can win games, as opposed to a back-up, who won't lose games.

I'd love it, if he would have found that in an undrafted QB, or Alex Brink, someone he spent a draft pick on, or confidence in Orlovsky to be that guy, but it's obvious he doesn't.

Lucky
09-06-2010, 02:30 PM
But signing Grossman to a one year deal, or Lienart to a one year deal, tells me he's looking for something other than just a back-up. Maybe he is looking for a possible replacement.
Every once in awhile, you post something that makes me go...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=79

Carr Bombed
09-06-2010, 02:42 PM
How about Jeff Garcia? He's had success in the past, he wants back in the NFL, and he knows the west coast offense.

Jeff Garcia is a asshat and a diva...

He's playing semi-pro ball NOT because he can't get a job in the NFL....there are a ton of teams that would love to have him as a backup (and we're probably one of them), but the reason why he's playing semi-pro ball is because the man wants to be a starter and the word on the street is he divides locker rooms and is somewhat of a cancer when he's not the starter.

No thanks to Jeff Garcia. I'll gladly sign his wife to a 1 night contract though. :)

thunderkyss
09-06-2010, 02:43 PM
Don't know about their credibilty but these guys are stating that Leinart has the number 2 spot over Dan-O...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Texans-agree-to-terms-with-Matt-Leinart.html

He's got a one year deal, he's not here for development. If he doesn't take the #2 spot sometime during the season, that says more about him, than losing the #2 would say about Orlovsky.

He was a first round draft pick, he was very successful at the college level, if his issue with Wisenhunt was truly "away from football" then he should earn that #2 spot rather quickly.