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DBLR1
03-17-2005, 09:14 PM
If Bennie comes back this season and actually contributes, I believe that he will make an Antonio Gates type impact. I know some of you are going to try and flame me for this but I have heard Charlie say he was ready to play at the end of the season last year but they wanted him to be 100 % healed and ready to go. He is a great TE or they wouldn't of drafted him so early back a couple of years ago. You all just think about if we had him back playing solid with the O. I guess we will see but that is what I am excited about! :woot

texasguy346
03-17-2005, 09:19 PM
It may be a bit much to say he's going to make an Antonio Gates kind of impact in his first NFL action. Even Antonio Gates didn't make an Antonio Gates kind of impact in his first NFL season. He bursted out this past season, and put himself among the leagues best TEs. Jason Witten played well this past season too, and he spent his rookie year getting used to the NFL. Don't get me wrong I think a healthy Joppru will do wonders for the Texans' offense (especially in the red zone). However, I don't expect him to burst on the stage and become an elite TE right off the bat. I just want him to block when he's supposed to, and to catch the ball and pick up some first downs and maybe a few TD in the redzone. Oh yeah I want him to do one more thing. Stay healthy PLEASE!!!

Panther5407
03-17-2005, 09:19 PM
If Bennie comes back this season and actually contributes, I believe that he will make an Antonio Gates type impact. I know some of you are going to try and flame me for this but I have heard Charlie say he was ready to play at the end of the season last year but they wanted him to be 100 % healed and ready to go. He is a great TE or they wouldn't of drafted him so early back a couple of years ago. You all just think about if we had him back playing solid with the O. I guess we will see but that is what I am excited about! :woot

I hope your right. I loved drafting him and want him to do very well.

infantrycak
03-17-2005, 09:26 PM
If Bennie comes back this season and actually contributes, I believe that he will make an Antonio Gates type impact.

If you mean he will come in like Gates did his rookie season, I hope so and I hope people don't flame him for not doing better than 24 rec. 389 yds, 2 TD's--it would be better than all the TE's combined last year. If you mean he is going to come in like Gates did his 2nd year, you are setting the bar way, way too high--Gates just set the all time TE single season TD record.

DBLR1
03-17-2005, 09:29 PM
#1-needs to stay healthy without a doubt
#2-he has watched the NFL game from a sideline perspective and sometimes that is very informational to a player, so if payed attention and learned as much as possible from the sideline, I think it will allow him to progress quicker
#3-the dude has sooo much upside and playing with the guys we put on the field (A.J, D.D, D.C), I think he will leave it all out on the field
#4-he has something to prove, that is where I think he is really gonna show it

Panther5407
03-17-2005, 09:30 PM
If you mean he will come in like Gates did his rookie season, I hope so and I hope people don't flame him for not doing better than 24 rec. 389 yds, 2 TD's--it would be better than all the TE's combined last year. If you mean he is going to come in like Gates did his 2nd year, you are setting the bar way, way too high--Gates just set the all time TE single season TD record.

Hey, let us dream. Just kidding, I don't think he'll that big of an impact but he will be good.

TexansTrueFan
03-18-2005, 12:00 AM
lord i doubt he'll do as well as Gates, heck i dont know if he'll do anything at all, been a while since he's stepped on the field hasnt it ? could have a lil rust

barzilla
03-18-2005, 12:10 AM
We do have to remember that Gates is not a blocker. The best thing he can do is be a legitimate threat AND a blocker. The problem is that when Mark Bruener is in the game the other team KNOWS he is blocking and when Miller was in the game the other team knew he was a recieving threat. Having a tight end that can do both would be nice.

Vinny
03-18-2005, 12:29 AM
It would be nice if he can turn into a Todd Heap type player. Hopefully he is somewhere between Anthony Becht and him. We would have a very dangerous offense.

Jwwillis
03-18-2005, 01:02 AM
It would be nice. Not sure he is ready to be our best blocker and receiver at TE though. Lot-O-Rust! In a year where Carr's protection is key, having Jobbru in as a blocker makes me nervious.

D-ReK
03-18-2005, 01:15 AM
Next season Joppru will key the key to our offense if we're going to show any improvement at all...If he's healthy, he'd be another safety valve for Carr if he's forced to roll out, and he wouldn't tip the opposition as to what type of play we are going to run, not to mention how much of a boost it would be to have him in red zone situations...

He won't be Heap, Gonzalez, or Gates just yet, but I really like his potential and I could see him getting about 35 receptions and 4 or 5 TDs next year...

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-18-2005, 01:32 AM
I'm hoping for a Bubba Franks type player.

swtbound07
03-18-2005, 01:40 AM
im hoping he plays a down :thumbup

Rosusu
03-18-2005, 01:54 AM
Well if we get anything at all it will be better than last season. We got nothing from our TE position last year and it is hurting us. I think I can actually recall every catch by bruener and miller. I cant say the same for any other reciever on our team. If Joppru is healthy and catches a few balls and does his job blocking then we will show improvement at that position. It will also help our O because it wont be obvious that it is a running or passing play. I want to see him succeed!

Grid
03-18-2005, 02:33 AM
I remember that one catch Bruenor made in preseason where he just about dragged the defenders with him while they tried to tackle him.

I had high hopes for him and was pretty disappointed with his production. I dunno if Carr just didnt get it to him.. but more likely he either didnt get open, or was restricted to blocking duties to try to make up for our poor pass blocking

Grid
03-18-2005, 02:57 AM
eh.. this draft sucks at TE.. I honestly wouldnt use a pick on any of them except possibly Matt Jones.

I think we are better off just trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 6th or 7th round.. or trying to pick one up in a hurry through FA.

really though.. we have Gaffney, Armstrong, and DD.. all of them are capable of doing the duties of a receiving TE. So I dont think we will be dead in the water without a good TE.. but i do think we need to try to do something about it by next year if Joppru doesnt step up.

outofhnd
03-18-2005, 03:08 AM
We will prolly draft a TE in the later rounds maybe as hi as our 2nd 3rd round pick. The X factor is how many tight ends will there be in the draft next year? I think we try to find a gem a big body with good hands and then teach him to block.

Bayern
03-18-2005, 09:58 AM
Look at that monster!

http://www.mppa.org/mppa/ClipsStudent/Jan2003/Sports1.jpg

Bayern
03-18-2005, 09:59 AM
By the way thats Joppru. :rolleyes: I know this is an old pic, but I'm looking at it like he's a rookie this year and I can't wait to see what he can do when he finally gets on the field!

cadahnic
03-18-2005, 10:00 AM
wow. who the hell cares he is not in college anymore. He better show me something on the field or he will be replaced. Luckily he does not have to be that good to be a step up from Billy Miller

barzilla
03-18-2005, 11:03 AM
I think what's interesting is that when I look at this team there aren't that many gaping holes. Yet, a lot of our positions are like tight end. Bruener and Miller are passable tight ends, but their nothing special. That becomes a problem when you look at the rest of our offense. We have an offensive line full of nothing special but passable. We have a recieving core that is made up of passable but nothing special outside of Johnson. I think the defense is the same thing.

Casserly has done a good job of filling holes, but now we need to add those special players. The defensive end is the same kind of deal. I think Robinson has a chance to be special and Glenn has been at times, but the DL is full of passable but nothing special. We can only hope that Babin and Peek develop into that eventually.

Hopefully, Joppru will be an upgrade, but we need at upgrade at several positions before we can be a legitimate playoff contender. I was hoping we would do more in free agency this off-season so we wouldn't have to rely on hitting the Royal Flush on the draft.

TheOgre
03-18-2005, 11:10 AM
I really want us to address the WR#2 position before the season. I hope the plan isn't to stick with what we have right now and hope someone steps up.

keyfro
03-18-2005, 11:10 AM
the only thing bennie joppru has to do is come in during training camp and take the starting TE job from miller and bruener...if he can do that his 2 year rehab festivial will be ok...personally i'm not sure what all happened to the kid...all i know is so far he has been the biggest bust of our draft picks so far...and 2nd round pick who has yet to get past training camp...and to think we could've had jason witten...after seeing the production he's had makes you wonder how good this kid was supposed to be and how good he will be

Vinny
03-18-2005, 12:56 PM
He had his groin detached from his bone, so I can't see how that plays into his talent. He has incredible hands and is going to be a player if he can overcome this injury. Count on it. I have a sneaky feeling he is going to end up a fan favorite soon, and will bring some more toughness to this milquetoast offense.

D-ReK
03-18-2005, 02:20 PM
the only thing bennie joppru has to do is come in during training camp and take the starting TE job from miller and bruener...if he can do that his 2 year rehab festivial will be ok...

Agreed...If he isn't named the starter over those two, then we're in trouble...

Meloy
03-18-2005, 02:25 PM
It would be nice. Not sure he is ready to be our best blocker and receiver at TE though. Lot-O-Rust! In a year where Carr's protection is key, having Jobbru in as a blocker makes me nervious.
Eggs zactly!! I'd much rather have a big ol' tackle blocking for Carr. How much did it help having Breuner blocking or Miller catching a few? We've got Wells &
& Davis for "dump" passes.

Beastlyman2003
03-18-2005, 05:04 PM
[B]HEY BARZILLA

Mr. Barzilla? Teacher at Creek?

SheTexan
03-18-2005, 05:15 PM
He had his groin detached from his bone, so I can't see how that plays into his talent. He has incredible hands and is going to be a player if he can overcome this injury. Count on it. I have a sneaky feeling he is going to end up a fan favorite soon, and will bring some more toughness to this milquetoast offense.

I hope so Vinny! If Billy Miller is going to be replaced, as so many of you want him to be, then I would want it to be with someone the Texans have invested so much time in.

BigDTexansFan
03-18-2005, 07:42 PM
Most of teams in NFL that improved on offense used TE underneath due to change in illegal contact rules. will Palmer change our game plans if Joppru comes back or will we miss a lot of opportunities underneath for play not being called :hmmm:

stephen1
03-18-2005, 08:00 PM
[B]HEY BARZILLA

Mr. Barzilla? Teacher at Creek?
cy creek????????

TexanExile
03-18-2005, 08:08 PM
He has incredible hands and is going to be a player if he can overcome this injury. Count on it. I have a sneaky feeling he is going to end up a fan favorite soon, and will bring some more toughness to this milquetoast offense.


Love the optimism. I really hope you're right. But this has been a looooooooooong recovery and I have to think that even the hands will take a while to get up to NFL proficiency. Even if he plays all 16 games next year I don't think he'll make the huge impact that some have predicted. I'll settle for stopping some of the bleeding in pass protection and for becoming an occasional alternative to DD on every single bailout toss.

My own "sneaky feeling" is that he's going to be reinjured fairly quickly and that will be the end of the experiment, but I much prefer your P.O.V.!

Vinny
03-18-2005, 08:11 PM
I'm not counting on it or anything. I'm sure my pov is on the optimistic side on this one.

barzilla
03-18-2005, 10:43 PM
Yeah, I teach at Clear Creek High

Hervoyel
03-18-2005, 11:22 PM
wow. who the hell cares he is not in college anymore. He better show me something on the field or he will be replaced. Luckily he does not have to be that good to be a step up from Billy Miller

Well, I'm sure Bennie's sweating now that he understands that he will be replaced if he fails to meet your minimum standards. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.

Bennie Joppru is not going to have a break out year like Gates did. At least he's not going to have it in 2005. Anyone planning on watching him own the opposition better prepare for a letdown. He hasn't played any football in two years. Yes he's got two seasons under his belt with a playbook in his hands. He should have a good understanding of what he's supposed to do most of the time. The rust will have to come off before he can "bust out".

Assuming he stays healthy this year I expect to see Joppru get some playing time. I'll consider it a positive season if he can drive the other TE's to the bench by the end of the year.

texansfan88
03-18-2005, 11:26 PM
cy creek????????
cy creek, Langham Creek, Mayde Creek, Clear Creek...stop the madness!

cptnbreakdance
03-18-2005, 11:27 PM
What I'm looking forward to are two tight end sets with Joppru and Miller, they would give Lbs fits in coverage, it would take a little pressure off of the outside passing game too, and open up running lanes for D-Day

Honoring Earl 34
03-18-2005, 11:29 PM
:howdy: At this point does Joppru have an advantage over a rookie . I can't think of a situation like this before .

Was'nt Garrison Hearst injured for a couple of years with a knee then an ankle ?

Hervoyel
03-18-2005, 11:35 PM
:howdy: At this point does Joppru have an advantage over a rookie . I can't think of a situation like this before .

Was'nt Garrison Hearst injured for a couple of years with a knee then an ankle ?

He should know the playbook pretty well. That's about it.

pskinny
03-19-2005, 12:08 AM
he stays healthy this year I expect to see Joppru get some playing time. I'll consider it a positive season if he can drive the other TE's to the bench by the end of the year.

agreed.......

WWJD
03-19-2005, 12:27 AM
I would think this is a make it or break it year for the guy. High draft pick and he's been hurt for 2 years. In most cases that is considered "bust" material. Even though it's not his fault you draft guys high they play or you wasted the pick.

edo783
03-19-2005, 11:47 AM
If he is on the field and playing with some consistancy by the end of the year he will be fine. He will basically be a rookie with (I hope) a good understanding of the playbook. If he can wind up getting say 1/2 the snaps by the end of the year, I think we are "OK". If he isn't on the field very much by the end of the year, he is likely a washout. It won't be his fault, just how the injury played out. Tough for him AND the team. Has/had a lot of potential if healthy.

BigDTexansFan
03-19-2005, 05:05 PM
has anyone seen or heard anything on him, I know what Casserly said ...BUT he is King of Smoke and Mirrors

Jwwillis
03-20-2005, 12:42 AM
:howdy: At this point does Joppru have an advantage over a rookie . I can't think of a situation like this before .

Was'nt Garrison Hearst injured for a couple of years with a knee then an ankle ?

I was wondering the same thing. When it comes to conditioning the college players has the advantage but Bennie has the intellence advantage. The hopes are that he can get his game speed back. The thoght of detaching a groin from the bone makes me cringe. I cant imagine continuing to play NFL football after something like that. Sprots Docs are amazing these days (except for whoever got ahold of Boselli).

nunusguy
03-20-2005, 01:24 PM
Love the optimism. I really hope you're right. But this has been a looooooooooong recovery and I have to think that even the hands will take a while to get up to NFL proficiency.
This was an unusual injury that was apparrently also unusually severe and I'm still not totally clear on what happened last year - did he have a repeat of
the the origional '03 injury, was it somehow a related but different injury than the '03 problem , or was last year a new and unrelated injury to '03.
At any rate, let me be another voice of optimism. He is running OK and that is
the problem with a groin injury, you can't run without pain. So I don't think its
a contact related injury - he just needs to get into "football shape" again.
But having 2 years off from contact, his body is really sorta 2 years younger than what it would be had he gone thru 2 NFL campaigns, - so that's a plus.
But consider the amazing resiliance young pro athlete's have - Terrel Owens
is testimony to that. In what 2 months, 6 weeks, whatever he's in the SB after sustaining the kind of injury he did. So I think we have room for optimism - but guarded optimism.

michaelm
03-21-2005, 01:13 AM
I think the offense will be fine if we ever have an LT who doesn't get replaced on passing downs (Wand) and a TE who doesn't get replaced on running downs (Miller). Well, I guess you could look at it another way... Bruener gets replaced on passing downs...

TexansTrueFan
03-21-2005, 01:45 AM
miller is good at catching i just wish he was as good on protection, all around like Tony. G !

keyfro
03-22-2005, 09:51 PM
like i said earlier...if joppru can come in during training camp and take the starting TE job he will have a productive "rookie" year...he will be in on all downs even the passing downs and i think he'll be effective in our passing game...he won't have a year like antonio gates did this year...but you can probably expect around 300yds recieving and around 3tds...i think the major role he'll have will be on play action passes

Wolf
03-22-2005, 10:00 PM
he won't have a Gates year no matter what.. why you ask? Joppru wouldnt' have to be a star, just a threat.. S.D. doesnt' have an AJ ..All Joppru has to do is take pressure off of AJ (same as Gaffney or whoever) and HELP open the field up for AJ to break open that dreaded cover 2.... way it is now we tip our hand when we have Brunner or Miller in... IF Joppru is as good as advertised and can catch AND block we don't tip our hand.

outofhnd
03-22-2005, 11:51 PM
I don't think you can even compare Gates and Joppru.
Joppru wasnt a basketball talent/leaper.

If you want to compare him to a good quality tight end the comparison would be a mild mannered Jeremy Shockey. Excellent route runner with good hands decent speed, as well as size to block.

D-ReK
03-22-2005, 11:58 PM
If we wanted a basketball player, we would've kept Rashod Kent...

I agree that a Joppru/Gates comparison is ridiculous; they are completely different players...

If I had to compare him to someone, it would be Todd Heap...Good hands, decent blocker, decent speed...

Ibar_Harry
03-23-2005, 02:09 AM
At least BJ showed up for practice, so he's started down the trail to be an active Texan. I hope he's able to get in shape and show what he's capable of doing on the turf.

Paragon Blue
04-18-2005, 12:30 AM
Has anybody heard on the condition of him and if he is going to be alright for this season?

Vinny
04-18-2005, 12:53 AM
According to Casserly, he's looking good in practice...

The team is also still awaiting a return on the second-round investments they made in tight end Bennie Joppru and running back Tony Hollings.

Joppru has missed each of his first two years because of a groin injury, and Hollings also has battled injuries, playing in just 21 games in two seasons.

"The grade is incomplete on those guys," Casserly said.

"If you take a guy who has a history of injuries and he doesn't play, shame on you. If you take a guy who has never been hurt, and then all of a sudden he gets hurt, you just have to chalk that up to bad luck. Both of those guys have ability.

"Tony has shown it, and Bennie has shown it on the practice field, and he's fine now." http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3138648

Bennie!!!
http://www.mppa.org/mppa/ClipsStudent/Jan2003/Sports1.jpg

D-ReK
04-18-2005, 12:56 AM
That's really good to see/hear/read...Hopefully both will make a positive impact this year and prove to be worth what we invested in them...

Ibar_Harry
04-18-2005, 01:02 AM
I'm quite capable of making positive comments, but the Texans usually find a way to burn you when you do with misinformation. Right now, there is a big positive in that they say BJ is healthy. Is that fact, fiction or smoke? I hope he is healthy, because he could really help us a great deal. The best rated TE in the draft has similar problems that BJ has and I don't believe he has the skills that BJ has. Therefore if BJ is healthy and able to play, it would be like signing a number 1 TE draft pick who's better than any TE on the board. What makes me nervous, however, is that Texans have been less than candid concerning the health of players before. BJ could make a very big difference. He can block and he has great hands. We don't have to switch players with BJ regardless of the play. That would be an extemely big plus for our team.

I posted this a little while ago in another forum, but I will add it here since I get so much criticizm. I to am going by what Cass says, but don't forget Hollings and Mr. B. I really hope they are being honest with us. He really could make a tremendous difference for us.

Davis37
04-18-2005, 05:07 AM
Ive read alot of good posts on here, and now ill give my oppinion. I agree that having BJ in the game would help us cause the defense wouldnt be able to key in on what we're doing (like Miller or Breuner). I personally havent seen him play very much, so i can comment on how much talent he has. I think that the reason our TE's didnt catch many passes last year is because Capers was trying to break Carr of the habit of just looking for the TE and not AJ. Im not saying that is the only reason, but I do believe that the Dominator was trying to get Carr and AJ to build chemisty. If you remember, b4 last season, about 1/2 of Carr's passes would go straight to the TE for 5-6 yard gains b4 he would even look at AJ or Bradford. Well, thats my 10 cents, and ill b waiting for all of you to say that im wrong. :whistle: :listening

texan37664
04-18-2005, 06:21 AM
eh.. this draft sucks at TE.. I honestly wouldnt use a pick on any of them except possibly Matt Jones.

I think we are better off just trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 6th or 7th round.. or trying to pick one up in a hurry through FA.

really though.. we have Gaffney, Armstrong, and DD.. all of them are capable of doing the duties of a receiving TE. So I dont think we will be dead in the water without a good TE.. but i do think we need to try to do something about it by next year if Joppru doesnt step up.

I think Matt Jones is going to be a WR, not a TE. He does not have the blocking skills to be a TE. Remember, he's been a QB. Don't think he has had to throw more than 2 or 3 blocks in his whole career.

D-ReK
04-18-2005, 07:00 AM
I dont want to believe NOTHING! I'll know his healthy when he starts in Buffalo. I have said alot of things about TEs and the draft, but somehow we need to draft a TE in the first day.

I wouldn't be against that...Even if Joppru is healthy, there is no telling how well he will play after being away from football for two years...If he performs well, then what harm is having two good TEs? Bruener and Miller are both FAs after 2006, and I think a "changing of the guard" is in order...

threetoedpete
04-18-2005, 07:34 AM
Rather than starting a new thread on this, I thought it appropriate to tack this onto the back of a meandering thread. Give it the weight it deserves.
Frist, the draft is an inexact science. There is more art to it than science. You get in a room with all the guys crunch the numbers. look at the emperical data, in the end, you make the best guess you can. I understand what John Lopeze's function in the Houston chronicle is. He is a bomb thrower designed to sell papers. That's his rice bowl. The fact that I only have to put up with him twice a year , durring the draft and durring the start of the season, makes him tollerable to me. What I would lke to know from Mr. Lopez is where the heck have you been all off season ? Where is your Mock draft ? Who should the Texan's select with the thirteen ? Do they hold it ? Do they move up or down ? You know the article this morning, really got me. Go back to you're first loves JL, leave us alone. You know squat bout the game and less about the draft. Stick with the things you know about.
CC has done a good job on the whole. Injuries are part of it. One year, the Old Oilers lost an entire backfeild befor the end of september. They had to claim guys off the waiver wire and all of that. We got a second round jinx. Bad Mojo, whatever. We got to have a tightend to strech a two deep zone. Period. That IS Dungy's baby. A two Deep zone, he is one of the masters of the two deep zone. . Fischer likes it too. The dump off passes are are productive, but untill we get a guy that can strech the tdz in the seem, we will contilually be 8-8. That's what breaks tdz down. Guys in the seem making plays. We ain't got none of those guys yet. BJ might be.
As far as Matt Jones is concerned, he is a very intrigueing prospect. The only negitive I see in the guy is thst he still wants to be an NFL QB. If he's heart isn't in the switch, that spells trouble to me. You can teach guys to block. You can't teach them to run 4.39's forties in the seem of tdz's. So in the second do you take a chance at the guy, shore up the o-line, pick the WR if you pass on him in the first ? Pick the swing D-lineman to help the grey beard ? I don't know what they're going to do. That's what makes it fun. Biggest poker game on the planet. I just hate cheep skate moochers entering the game late. . Maybe parasite is a better term.

DBLR1
04-18-2005, 06:14 PM
I would like to know where I said that he would be Antonio Gates? Many of you criticized me for saying he was going to be AG and what I said is that he would have that type of impact, an impact on our offense as a whole. He has great hands, good speed, good blocking, and great intensity. If the guy comes back and contributes the way I believe he will that will open our offense w/ more options and less focus on our key guys. I agree with 3 toed pete about the zone that Indy plays and BJ will help us beat that ****. I personally hate Michigan but I have always liked Joppru. I am trying to be a glass half full guy here and all the negativity from certain people should just push the off button on your computer and go away because it will get us no where. You might as well pour beer on Bennie! :hmmm:

JustBonee
04-18-2005, 07:23 PM
Never thought I could root for anyone from Michigan either (devoted OSU fan here) :) .. but he's got my full support. Hope he shows us some of that fire this year.

DocBar
04-18-2005, 07:51 PM
Lots of good posts on here. I guess I'm like everyone else....JUST ONE @#%$&*(&^%$##@ PLAY!!!!!!!!!! :heh: :heh:

DRIFTAWAY
04-18-2005, 07:52 PM
For all that matters, Joppru has yet to show me anything. I won't be excited about his return, because quite frankly i don't know what to expect from him. He won't get any respect until he shows me something, not neccessarily an Antonio Gates type performance though. As of right now he's classified under bust.

Andre_Johnson88
04-28-2005, 12:28 AM
Hey how big of an impact do you think Joppru will make IF he ends up being ready this season?I mean he was selected in second round so he must have some impressive skills somewhere.... Thoughts?

F-minus67
04-28-2005, 12:32 AM
I think he will have about the same numbers as Miller had the first year. He will get most of the passes that Carr used to send to Davis when he felt pressure.

Vinny
05-10-2005, 12:13 PM
I'm sure there will be when they go to camp. Nothing to report right now.

El Tejano
05-10-2005, 02:02 PM
What will everyone do when Bennie J finally gets on the field and makes a play, simple or miraculous?

SBTexans08
05-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Makes no difference to me. I'll throw a sigh of relief along with a "damn it's good to see you play!!" and cross my fingers hoping he'll last the entire season.

Hervoyel
05-10-2005, 02:17 PM
It's all about Joppru!!

No, it is not. It's not even mostly about Joppru. I'd go so far as to say it's not even a little bit about Joppru. Yes, it would no doubt be good to have a better TE than we do at present but from 1995 until 2002 Bruener started 111 games at TE for the Steelers and they weren't suffering from a lack of production at the TE position. They were doing just fine.

Were they throwing the ball to him ten times a game? Of course not! But he was getting the job done in their offense. Now maybe he's not the player he was then and maybe we'd rather have a TE that's more involved in the passing game but that's not the biggest thing on the Texans plate and increased production from the TE isn't going to do a damned thing for our offense if Carr looks at AJ then dumps to DD. You could have Gates on this team and it wouldn't matter until the line begins to pass protect consistently AND David Carr begins to trust them.

It's all about the offensive line. Even the part concerning the defense gets better or worse depending on how the line responds this year.

SBTexans08
05-10-2005, 02:25 PM
No, it is not. It's not even mostly about Joppru. I'd go so far as to say it's not even a little bit about Joppru. Yes, it would no doubt be good to have a better TE than we do at present but from 1995 until 2002 Bruener started 111 games at TE for the Steelers and they weren't suffering from a lack of production at the TE position. They were doing just fine.

Were they throwing the ball to him ten times a game? Of course not! But he was getting the job done in their offense. Now maybe he's not the player he was then and maybe we'd rather have a TE that's more involved in the passing game but that's not the biggest thing on the Texans plate and increased production from the TE isn't going to do a damned thing for our offense if Carr looks at AJ then dumps to DD. You could have Gates on this team and it wouldn't matter until the line begins to pass protect consistently AND David Carr begins to trust them.

It's all about the offensive line. Even the part concerning the defense gets better or worse depending on how the line responds this year.

Yup....I agree wholeheartedly. Until the Texans solidify that line...we aren't going to be anything special on offense. Once that O-line protects Carr to where he can build some confidence and has time to actually execute the play with his guys....then we'll get rolling. Until we get this offensive line looking somewhat as a cohesive unit....we'll be yearning to see our offense shine.

El Tejano
05-10-2005, 02:35 PM
True. Never really thought of it til you brought this up but if the TEs go out for a pass they wont be there to help block for the line.

Porky
05-10-2005, 03:02 PM
Last time I looked, a good TE can help the line. I think he will have a major impact. I don't know about an AG type impact, but having a complete TE will help the offense in inumerable ways. Also, today's offenses involve the TE more than those of a decade ago.

wrestler4life
05-11-2005, 03:39 PM
I live in So Cal, so I can't always hear what is going on as well as those of you in Houston. Is Joppru healthy and expected to play this year?

El Tejano
05-11-2005, 03:46 PM
That is the word on the street these days.

F-minus67
05-11-2005, 03:50 PM
Didn't Heath Miller have the same kind of injury?

Vinny
05-11-2005, 04:51 PM
Last time I looked, a good TE can help the line. I think he will have a major impact. I don't know about an AG type impact, but having a complete TE will help the offense in inumerable ways. Also, today's offenses involve the TE more than those of a decade ago.Yep, a TE is pretty much a lineman for all intents and purposes...except one that is pass-eligible. A dual threat TE will do wonders for this offense and will help in protections since teams have to account for a pass catching threat if he is not helping to block. This is year 4 and we are still waiting for our first legit TE. Joppru could impact this offense in a major way.

Honoring Earl 34
05-11-2005, 05:28 PM
:brickwall It could be worse ,we could have spent the 6th pick on Winslow jr.

THEFUTURE
05-11-2005, 05:41 PM
hell I'll be our new TE, i can do it i swear...hell if Antonio Gates can go from college basketball to Pro Football, so can i :jam:

THEFUTURE
05-13-2005, 09:00 PM
hey at least id be a good target, 6'6 240, you cant miss me

Honoring Earl 34
05-13-2005, 11:42 PM
:homer: Time bomb the guys 6'6 what do you want . Are you a long 6'6 or a short 6'6 ? What is your hand length ?

briptexanfan
05-15-2005, 09:29 AM
:brickwall It could be worse ,we could have spent the 6th pick on Winslow jr.

joppru injury could be a blessing in disguise, we made have won a lot more of the close games last year if he was healthy. after 3 years of building through the draft i think we are ready to start picking near the bottom of the draft and i think he will be a very big part of that. the only thing that matters is building a team that has a chance to win a superbowl. and the higher picks help a lot when you are starting from scratch. now the pieces are almost all in place and we just sit back and wach them grow together as a team. now i think we will start drafting near the bottom of the draft starting next year and start using more quality free agents grabs to fill the last few holes of the team.