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gary
08-22-2010, 06:00 PM
I mean I seriously do not think there have been. I think we will see a lot more of Brown and Rackers in the last two preseason games. I don't see how the coaches are going to choose the best when there have not been much of either one them thus far in no real mess ups thus far. What do you think?

awtysst
08-22-2010, 06:05 PM
I mean I seriously do not think there have been. I think we will see a lot more of Brown and Rackers in the last two preseason games. I don't see how the coaches are going to choose the best when there have not been much of either one them thus far in no real mess ups thus far. What do you think?

I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.

gary
08-22-2010, 06:31 PM
I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.
I see Brown making the team unless he has an awful next two games.

gtexan02
08-22-2010, 06:38 PM
Im still holding out hope for Rackers. I think giving Brown the job back speaks poorly for accountabiliity.

You have a season like that, for any reason, and you should be gone

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2010, 06:46 PM
I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.

................and he DOES know him all too well............:shots:

ATXtexanfan
08-22-2010, 06:48 PM
brown needs to go

gary
08-22-2010, 06:50 PM
I just think this whole kicker battle might not go the way we all thought.

TheIronDuke
08-22-2010, 06:55 PM
I was praying KB would get a chance to miss that 50 yarder but the screen got blown up in the backfield. I'm praying KB starts goes back to his old ways soon enough so we can get a kicker out there we can rely on. I will be highly disappointed if Rackers doesn't win the job.

Dwade
08-22-2010, 07:50 PM
Is it just me, or did Kubiak look unhappy after Rackers made the 51 yarder?

I think Kubiak wants to keep Brown for some strange, strange reason.

TheMatrix31
08-22-2010, 08:10 PM
Kubiak's loyal, that's why. But, like said above, Brown needs to be held accountable for that season last year.

Then again, maybe he knows it and he won't **** up this year?

DexmanC
08-22-2010, 08:16 PM
Kubiak allows these guys to make huge paychecks, and all they get
for screwing up is "shame on you guys."

"We wubs kubes." is the battlecry, because no other self-respecting
coach would put up with a bullshit performance like yesterday. EVERY
regular season game matters, and all we get is "Oh well, it's a long
season. Fifteen games to go."

Last year, the Jets debacle on OPENING DAY put the Jets IN to postseason,
and sent the Texans HOME. The Saints practiced ALL WEEK the same
way they expect to attack the season.

Texans show up one game, take the next one off, for 3 years in a row now.
They've never shown us how preseason isn't what should be expected
over the Real Sixteen. They are RIGHT BACK into the one game up, one game
down pattern. If they stay true to form, they will roll Dallas and take a
dump against Tampa.

Make sure the distributors have that pink soap on standby if this turns
into a repeat of the 2007, 2008, and 2009 seasons.

keyser
08-22-2010, 08:17 PM
I will say that Brown's kickoffs have looked better. Kickoff performance can translate directly to yards on the field, and that can make a significant difference on its own: figure 25 yards a game (5 yards each from say, one starting-half kickoff and 4 scores). If there's not a clear winner in the field goal arena, this is likely to be the difference, and I think based on that, Brown currently has the edge.

False Start
08-22-2010, 08:20 PM
Last year, the Jets debacle on OPENING DAY put the Jets IN to postseason,
and sent the Texans HOME.


Hopefully, the NO game was our jets game and we wake the fluck up before the season starts.

DexmanC
08-22-2010, 08:26 PM
Hopefully, the NO game was our jets game and we wake the fluck up before the season starts.

I would say that, False Start, but the same thing happened last year
AT RELIANT against the Saints. They exposed the Texans' weakness
up the middle on both sides of the ball, and every team since exploited
it.

All a good team needs to beat the Texans, is a good enough running game,
and a quarterback to kill our LB's in the middle of the field with playaction, and
our defensive ends with draws and screens.

They need to stop this trend, NOW. You PRACTICE how you PLAY.

Goatcheese
08-22-2010, 08:37 PM
Rackers seems to have better accuracy than Brown from what I've seen so far, but he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the range. Brown could boot FGs from 60 yards out, but Rackers needed a lucky bounce to get that 52 yarder.

It comes down to whether you want a guy who will make 90% of his kicks inside the 35 or a guy who has the leg to go those extra few yards but will inexplicably shank easy field goals.

I'd rather have a reliable guy. Atleast you know not to send him out there from the 36. You never know when you can count on Brown anymore.

El Tejano
08-22-2010, 08:45 PM
Brown is winning. If you look, his kicks are going right down the middle now. That doinker 51 yarder that Rackers made and the line drive kickoff that landed at the 20 put KB ahead of the race.

Dwade
08-22-2010, 09:08 PM
Brown is winning. If you look, his kicks are going right down the middle now. That doinker 51 yarder that Rackers made and the line drive kickoff that landed at the 20 put KB ahead of the race.

:facepalm:

How many 50+ has Brown made lately?

False Start
08-22-2010, 09:10 PM
I would say that, False Start, but the same thing happened last year
AT RELIANT against the Saints. They exposed the Texans' weakness
up the middle on both sides of the ball, and every team since exploited
it.

All a good team needs to beat the Texans, is a good enough running game,
and a quarterback to kill our LB's in the middle of the field with playaction, and
our defensive ends with draws and screens.

They need to stop this trend, NOW. You PRACTICE how you PLAY.

Good points. :goodpost:

As far as the kicker situation, I would like to see more of Rackers, and less KB.

gary
08-22-2010, 09:18 PM
I would say the Texans have more than just the kicker battle to worry about after the last doo doo preformence.

C Madd
08-22-2010, 09:23 PM
Rackers seems to have better accuracy than Brown from what I've seen so far, but he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the range. Brown could boot FGs from 60 yards out, but Rackers needed a lucky bounce to get that 52 yarder.

It comes down to whether you want a guy who will make 90% of his kicks inside the 35 or a guy who has the leg to go those extra few yards but will inexplicably shank easy field goals.

I'd rather have a reliable guy. Atleast you know not to send him out there from the 36. You never know when you can count on Brown anymore.

Couldn't agree more.

I just did the math and teams averaged a little over 3 field goals, over the course the entire season, that were in the 50-59 yard range (Houston attempted 4).

I'd rather have the guy who's going to almost be a given from 20-49 yards but can't kick anything over 50 than the guy who can get the distance on the 3-4 50 yard attempts they have over the entire season but shanks game winners.

Dwade
08-22-2010, 09:51 PM
Couldn't agree more.

I just did the math and teams averaged a little over 3 field goals, over the course the entire season, that were in the 50-59 yard range (Houston attempted 4).

I'd rather have the guy who's going to almost be a given from 20-49 yards but can't kick anything over 50 than the guy who can get the distance on the 3-4 50 yard attempts they have over the entire season but shanks game winners.

Yes. Kris Brown is far too unreliable. He is a choker

If we had Neil Rackers last year, arguably we would have made the playoffs.

silvrhand
08-22-2010, 10:32 PM
I will say that Brown's kickoffs have looked better. Kickoff performance can translate directly to yards on the field, and that can make a significant difference on its own: figure 25 yards a game (5 yards each from say, one starting-half kickoff and 4 scores). If there's not a clear winner in the field goal arena, this is likely to be the difference, and I think based on that, Brown currently has the edge.

kickoffs kickoffs.. who really gives a )(*@()#4 about kickoffs.. hire someone, if my field goal guy 0-50 was 100% who cares if they kicked it to the 10 yard line everytime, I'd make the punter do the kickoffs..

Hervoyel
08-22-2010, 10:43 PM
I'll be very surprised if Kris Brown doesn't return (and very upset if his case of the "shanks" does return.)

I think he still has a "benefit of the doubt" card to play with this coaching staff and I'm ok with that as long as we're done with this rash of missed high-pressure kicks. I feel like I did when I was hoping that Brad Lidge would be able to get it back somehow though.

infantrycak
08-22-2010, 11:01 PM
I'll be very surprised if Kris Brown doesn't return (and very upset if his case of the "shanks" does return.)

I think he still has a "benefit of the doubt" card to play with this coaching staff and I'm ok with that as long as we're done with this rash of missed high-pressure kicks. I feel like I did when I was hoping that Brad Lidge would be able to get it back somehow though.

Exactly what I have been thinking. Rackers has to show KB up, he can't just tie - and I don't really have a problem with that I just hope the result is good.

steelbtexan
08-22-2010, 11:12 PM
Wish Rackers would've gotten the chance to kick that 51 yds against the Cards. Kubes is doing his best to rig the competition for doo doo Brown.

If Brown doesn't win the FG job they will carry both Brown (kickoffs long FG's) and Rackers.

Brown is one of McNairs and Kubes favs. (Remember the hug after the Pats game)

infantrycak
08-22-2010, 11:25 PM
Wish Rackers would've gotten the chance to kick that 51 yds against the Cards. Kubes is doing his best to rig the competition for doo doo Brown.


Other than doing exactly what he would have in a real game and trying to get closer with 10 seconds left what has Kubiak done to rig the competition?

TheDrifter
08-22-2010, 11:28 PM
I worry about Rackers strength when he has to kick into any kind of a wind. If its dicey indoors at 50 yards, how much distance does he lose outside?

SheTexan
08-22-2010, 11:39 PM
Other than doing exactly what he would have in a real game and trying to get closer with 10 seconds left what has Kubiak done to rig the competition?

What Cak said!!

Im a Kris Brown fan, and will remain one as long as he's a TEXAN!! I will support him the same way I have other members of the team who screw up plays that cost us points!! (BOTH sides of the ball!! ) If you guys think KB is the only TEXAN who has a "mental," "confidence" problem, you haven't watched as much Texan football as I have, and I haven't missed a game!!

powerfuldragon
08-22-2010, 11:47 PM
Matt Turk.

/thread

Norg
08-22-2010, 11:49 PM
WHo cares who winz it Texans better not settle for FG anymore i wanna see 7 points ever drive ....

Hookem Horns
08-23-2010, 01:39 AM
Yes. Kris Brown is far too unreliable. He is a choker

If we had Neil Rackers last year, arguably we would have made the playoffs.

If Rackers was such a clutch guy he would still be kicking in Phoenix.

Sure, KB had a horrible season last year and that was part of the reason the Texans missed the playoffs, however there are many more reasons that have nothing to do with KB as to why the Texans didn't make the playoffs last year.

Also it's funny how everyone seems to forget when the only reliable thing this team had for many seasons was KB.

What I find disgusting is how some of you are wishing for him to fail. If the guy bounces back then not only good for him personally, great for the Texans and the community.

buddyboy
08-23-2010, 02:23 AM
If Rackers was such a clutch guy he would still be kicking in Phoenix.

Sure, KB had a horrible season last year and that was part of the reason the Texans missed the playoffs, however there are many more reasons that have nothing to do with KB as to why the Texans didn't make the playoffs last year.

Also it's funny how everyone seems to forget when the only reliable thing this team had for many seasons was KB.

What I find disgusting is how some of you are wishing for him to fail. If the guy bounces back then not only good for him personally, great for the Texans and the community.

Great post. It seems to me like most people don't want Rackers to win, they want Brown to lose. And that's not going to make your team better. What will make your team better is if the best kicker goes out there and does well in the pre-season and proves they're the best option.

If Brown goes out there and shows last year was a bad year, but he's put in the work and has put it behind him, then by all means, please start Brown.

If Rackers goes out and nails a bunch of field goals, then let Rackers stay.

I'm rooting for them to WIN, not for someone to LOSE

Goatcheese
08-23-2010, 04:51 AM
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30

Dwade
08-23-2010, 06:11 AM
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30

This.

Rackers was pretty clutch last year except that one missed field goal against the Packers in the Wild Card Round. Brown was just inconsistent, and keeping him around keeps a losing attitude around that much longer, in my opinion.

SheTexan
08-23-2010, 07:31 AM
This.

Rackers was pretty clutch last year except that one missed field goal against the Packers in the Wild Card Round. Brown was just inconsistent, and keeping him around keeps a losing attitude around that much longer, in my opinion.

LOSING ATTITUDE?! You are new to the board, and apparently new to the TEXANS! If not, you would know that KB is anything but a loser!! You obviously DO NOT know Kris Brown!! If a kicker causes a TEAM to have a "losing attitude" then they might as well forfeit now and get it over with. That horrendous display of football we watched Sat night had NOTHING to do with the kicker battle. It had to do with the MENTAL issues of every player on the team, INCLUDING the coaches! Do you honestly think 4 blocked FGs is totally the kickers fault?

Personally, I like 'buddyboys' post. I am rooting for them to win, not for someone to lose. Whether it's #3 or #4 that shows up on Sept 12th in a Texan's jersey, that player will have 100% of my support. If it's KB I certainly will not be one of those "fans" who will boooooo him. If it's NR, I will not be standing at my seat wishing him to fail. I want the ENTIRE TEAM to get their heads screwed on straight and go out with a winning attitude. Until that happens, we will never change.

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2010, 07:44 AM
It would be just as justifiable to feel that Brown needs to show up Rackers rather than just tie him to balance out his poor 2009 show. And it still should be kept in mind that, of the last 5 games Arizona played last year, Rackers missed 2 games and played injured for 3 of those games because of a groin injury.

It's not unusual to see an athlete in a slump need a change of venue to turn things around. When it's not "physical," it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control.

We'll only know AFTER the decision is made......and we have the benefit of the Retrospectoscope.

SheTexan
08-23-2010, 08:48 AM
It would be just as justifiable to feel that Brown needs to show up Rackers rather than just tie him to balance out his poor 2009 show. And it still should be kept in mind that, of the last 5 games Arizona played last year, Rackers missed 2 games and played injured for 3 of those games because of a groin injury.

It's not unusual to see an athlete in a slump need a change of venue to turn things around. When it's not "physical," it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control.

We'll only know AFTER the decision is made......and we have the benefit of the Retrospectoscope.

Few people know about the injuries Kris was dealing with at the end of the 2008 season. Severe staph infection in his groin area that was slow to heal, severe planters fac in his "plant" foot. Few fans know he bought his own hyperbaric chamber to help heal his foot so he could finish the season! Kickers injuries RARELY get the media attention "star" players tend to receive. AJ gets a hang nail and the entire NFL knows about it, MS nicks himself shaving and the entire Texan fan base goes apesheeeeet!! I'm not saying Kris's injuries had anything to do wlth his failure to compete in the 2009 season, but, maybe he needed that year to regain his balance, restore his confidence, etc. Who knows! Like you said Jean, it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control. BOTH our kickers have had injuries, and are neck and neck in this competition. For all our sakes, may the best man win!!

GP
08-23-2010, 08:50 AM
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30

Uh oh. Someone used stats.

Thank you, goatcheese. Looking at the past two years, you can see the difference between the two. It's fairly stark. The one angle is the fewer kicks by Rackers, but that's negligible to me.

What's a kick in the crotch, though, is that a FG kicker is still a FG kicker. No matter who he is, he could goat it in a game that decides your team's fate.

I am of the opinion that the NFL needs to do away with FG attempts altogether. You still have kickoffs, but you cannot attempt a FG. Nor can you attempt an extra point kick after a TD. You have to score touchdowns, and you have to attempt 2-point conversions, and this is how you avoid ties and overtime where kickers decide games (when they really should NOT).

I know that's a radical idea, but things change. The NFL is to the point where the game can withstand not having FG attempts. I think fans of all 32 teams would agree that nobody wants THEIR kicker, or another team's kicker either, deciding a playoff or Super Bowl game. Instead, leave it in the hands of the real football players who are out there doing the heavy lifting--If THEY can't get it done, then you know you were beaten fair and square (and not beaten by a guy in a perfectly clean jersey who squeezes the kick right inside the post or right over the cross bar...effectively bastardizingthe other 99.999% of the game).

Down with field goals. They can go play soccer. Remove your kicker from the roster, and have kickoffs be handled by the punter who can choose to kick the ball off a tee or a punt-style kick. Hey, this is a GOOD thing! It opens up an extra roster spot for another position. Bonus.

eriadoc
08-23-2010, 12:36 PM
Uh oh. Someone used stats.

Thank you, goatcheese. Looking at the past two years, you can see the difference between the two. It's fairly stark. The one angle is the fewer kicks by Rackers, but that's negligible to me.

What's a kick in the crotch, though, is that a FG kicker is still a FG kicker. No matter who he is, he could goat it in a game that decides your team's fate.

I am of the opinion that the NFL needs to do away with FG attempts altogether. You still have kickoffs, but you cannot attempt a FG. Nor can you attempt an extra point kick after a TD. You have to score touchdowns, and you have to attempt 2-point conversions, and this is how you avoid ties and overtime where kickers decide games (when they really should NOT).

I know that's a radical idea, but things change. The NFL is to the point where the game can withstand not having FG attempts. I think fans of all 32 teams would agree that nobody wants THEIR kicker, or another team's kicker either, deciding a playoff or Super Bowl game. Instead, leave it in the hands of the real football players who are out there doing the heavy lifting--If THEY can't get it done, then you know you were beaten fair and square (and not beaten by a guy in a perfectly clean jersey who squeezes the kick right inside the post or right over the cross bar...effectively bastardizingthe other 99.999% of the game).

Down with field goals. They can go play soccer. Remove your kicker from the roster, and have kickoffs be handled by the punter who can choose to kick the ball off a tee or a punt-style kick. Hey, this is a GOOD thing! It opens up an extra roster spot for another position. Bonus.

Do away with punters as well, and they could change the name of the game to handsball.

Dan B.
08-23-2010, 01:52 PM
Do away with punters as well, and they could change the name of the game to handsball.

lol exactly what I was thinking

Mr teX
08-23-2010, 02:00 PM
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30

Ridiculous at how many more attempts Brown had...If Rackers comes here, we don't know what we have, dude was hardly tested..

Dan B.
08-23-2010, 02:06 PM
Ridiculous at how many more attempts Brown had...If Rackers comes here, we don't know what we have, dude was hardly tested..

I will be a very happy Texans fan if either kicker is hardly tested this season. Don't really care who wins the kicker job -- I want to see less of whoever it is.

7 in the RZ, please. I'm sick of stalling out on short yardage drives.

steelbtexan
08-23-2010, 02:23 PM
Few people know about the injuries Kris was dealing with at the end of the 2008 season. Severe staph infection in his groin area that was slow to heal, severe planters fac in his "plant" foot. Few fans know he bought his own hyperbaric chamber to help heal his foot so he could finish the season! Kickers injuries RARELY get the media attention "star" players tend to receive. AJ gets a hang nail and the entire NFL knows about it, MS nicks himself shaving and the entire Texan fan base goes apesheeeeet!! I'm not saying Kris's injuries had anything to do wlth his failure to compete in the 2009 season, but, maybe he needed that year to regain his balance, restore his confidence, etc. Who knows! Like you said Jean, it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control. BOTH our kickers have had injuries, and are neck and neck in this competition. For all our sakes, may the best man win!!

Injuries? = excuses, If Brown was too injured to do his job effectively last yr he should've been put on IR. That way maybe the Texaans could've made the playoffs.

Look I dont care who wins the K competition. I just want to see Rackers get a fair shot. Certianly seeing no more of the crappy lack of clutch FG kicking that happened last yr would be a blessing.

BTW why do you want to see Brown win the job so badly?

Did you not get enough of the sick feeling that I'm sure you had every time Brown stepped on the field to make a clutch FG?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Mean Machine
08-23-2010, 02:35 PM
I think whichever guy we don't keep is going to end up on the cowboys.
I think Brownie bounces back and wins the job and then goes on to have an All Pro year for us.
I really am pulling for him.

steelbtexan
08-23-2010, 02:39 PM
I think whichever guy we don't keep is going to end up on the cowboys.
I think Brownie bounces back and wins the job and then goes on to have an All Pro year for us.
I really am pulling for him.

Why are you pulling for Brown? Is it familiarity?

Rackers also fits the Texans good guy mode.

Hookem Horns
08-23-2010, 02:41 PM
Do away with punters as well, and they could change the name of the game to handsball.

Do away with the forward pass also, they could call it rugby. ;)

C Madd
08-23-2010, 02:44 PM
There are a lot of people with the "what have you done for me lately" type attitude (I'm guilty of this from time to time) and what Kris Brown did for us lately was miss 11 field goals, two of which would have sent games to OT.

Brown has done a lot of good for the Texans in the past, like when he made the field goal to win for the Texans only win in franchise history against the Colts. That, combined with the fact that he is an original Texan, doesn't make me want him to lose the competition. If Brown is the better kicker, then may he win and help us out this season.

But, because of a fear of a repeat performance, I am pulling for Rackers a bit more than Brown and I don't think that makes me a bad fan.

Like SheTexan says, though, may the best man win.

Thorn
08-23-2010, 04:49 PM
There are a lot of people with the "what have you done for me lately" type attitude (I'm guilty of this from time to time) and what Kris Brown did for us lately was miss 11 field goals, two of which would have sent games to OT.

I don't have a problem with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude. These pro football players make a good paycheck, and they should either earn it or get out.

That said, again, I don't care who our kicker is this season, as long as he makes the damn FGs.

GP
08-23-2010, 05:03 PM
Field Goals are the only really bad thing about football.

It's like having a really smokin' hot wife but she farts all night in her sleep. I mean, everything else is awesome but that one little glitch stinks. Literally.

Do away with field goal attempts. Make it go the way of the leather helmet. Wait a second...leather helmet doesn't fit this analogy. Because leather helmets were superbad. Anyways, you get my drift.

Some things need to be retired. Field goals is just begging for retirement.

Thorn
08-23-2010, 05:07 PM
Field Goals are the only really bad thing about football.

It's like having a really smokin' hot wife but she farts all night in her sleep. I mean, everything else is awesome but that one little glitch stinks. Literally.

Do away with field goal attempts. Make it go the way of the leather helmet. Wait a second...leather helmet doesn't fit this analogy. Because leather helmets were superbad. Anyways, you get my drift.

Some things need to be retired. Field goals is just begging for retirement.

that's not a bad idea GP, and I'd vote for it if it was up for a vote. But doing away with FGs and kicking extra points after a TD just are not going to go away.

gary
08-23-2010, 05:11 PM
Injuries also are bad about football.

JB
08-23-2010, 05:25 PM
Field Goals are the only really bad thing about football.

It's like having a really smokin' hot wife but she farts all night in her sleep. I mean, everything else is awesome but that one little glitch stinks. Literally.

Do away with field goal attempts. Make it go the way of the leather helmet. Wait a second...leather helmet doesn't fit this analogy. Because leather helmets were superbad. Anyways, you get my drift.

Some things need to be retired. Field goals is just begging for retirement.

What would be you alternative?

Dwade
08-23-2010, 05:32 PM
LOSING ATTITUDE?! You are new to the board, and apparently new to the TEXANS! If not, you would know that KB is anything but a loser!! You obviously DO NOT know Kris Brown!! If a kicker causes a TEAM to have a "losing attitude" then they might as well forfeit now and get it over with. That horrendous display of football we watched Sat night had NOTHING to do with the kicker battle. It had to do with the MENTAL issues of every player on the team, INCLUDING the coaches! Do you honestly think 4 blocked FGs is totally the kickers fault?

Personally, I like 'buddyboys' post. I am rooting for them to win, not for someone to lose. Whether it's #3 or #4 that shows up on Sept 12th in a Texan's jersey, that player will have 100% of my support. If it's KB I certainly will not be one of those "fans" who will boooooo him. If it's NR, I will not be standing at my seat wishing him to fail. I want the ENTIRE TEAM to get their heads screwed on straight and go out with a winning attitude. Until that happens, we will never change.

For one, Kris Brown didn't have 4 field goals blocked, I don't even know what you are talking about. He is just a choke artist that shanked some major kicks and was a major reason why we missed the playoffs last year.

I don't feel emotional attachment to Kris Brown just because he is a Texan, if he can't do his job then he needs to go. We need to look to the future and get a more accurate kicker like Neil Rackers.

If you can't perform, then get your @zz out of Houston. That's the way we will start having playoff years, by trimming the fat and making our team better.

SheTexan
08-23-2010, 05:45 PM
Injuries? = excuses, If Brown was too injured to do his job effectively last yr he should've been put on IR. That way maybe the Texaans could've made the playoffs.

Look I dont care who wins the K competition. I just want to see Rackers get a fair shot. Certianly seeing no more of the crappy lack of clutch FG kicking that happened last yr would be a blessing.

BTW why do you want to see Brown win the job so badly?

Did you not get enough of the sick feeling that I'm sure you had every time Brown stepped on the field to make a clutch FG?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

#1 I never said Kris had an injury last year, and as far as I know, he has
never used that excuse, even when he was injured.

#2 The Texans WOULD HAVE made the playoffs if the rest of the team had
not put the kicker in a position of having to kick for points.

#3 Rackers has two more games to get his "fair shot."

#4 I want Kris to win the job because I think he is past whatever caused
him to have problems last year. He is very active in the community, and
has raised thousands of bucks for TCH through his Kris's Kick Club. He
is a team leader/captain/cheerleader, have you not watched Kris on the
sideline? He is up, walking the sideline, supporting his teammates.
You never hear excuses come out of Kris's mouth, he excepts resp for
his screwups. Maybe Rackers will come in here and be as supportive, I
don't know, and neither do you. I think Kris deserves a chance to prove
last year was a fluke, and that he can still be productive as our kicker.
If he falters then bring in Rackers, cause I sincerely believe he will
be unemployed.

#5 YES, I am tired of the "sick feeling" I had last year. Not only when
Kris was up, but when I knew Matt was throwing that ball to JJ. Can't
tell you the number of silent prayers I said for JJ to PLEASE hang on to
the ball, or when he was on STs and returning kickoffs or punts. Or
when Slaton was on the field, or CHRIS Brown. OR when I watched
Dunte, Bennett, or Reeves get burned and cost us 6. I could go on,
but, I won't.

We KNOW Kris Brown's weaknesses. We truly know NOTHING about Rackers, except he is NO BETTER than KB. SOOOOO, why change?

Dwade
08-23-2010, 05:57 PM
#1 We KNOW Kris Brown's weaknesses. We truly know NOTHING about Rackers, except he is NO BETTER than KB. SOOOOO, why change?

We know plenty about Neil Rackers, like his 91% field goal accuracy last year.

I don't care how much he does in the community, this isn't a charity. This is a football team.

Kris Brown is a choker, that's it.

JB
08-23-2010, 06:07 PM
We know plenty about Neil Rackers, like his 91% field goal accuracy last year.

I don't care how much he does in the community, this isn't a charity. This is a football team.

Kris Brown is a choker, that's it.

Look, Kris had a bad year last year. The two previous years he was money. I get the hate, I don't get the manufacturing of facts.

C Madd
08-23-2010, 06:08 PM
For one, Kris Brown didn't have 4 field goals blocked, I don't even know what you are talking about.

According to NFL.com, he had 3 blocked in 2009. She was off by 1, not a big deal.

Wolf
08-23-2010, 06:14 PM
I think they were going by the last 2 years that goatcheese posted the stats of

steelbtexan
08-23-2010, 06:19 PM
#1 I never said Kris had an injury last year, and as far as I know, he has
never used that excuse, even when he was injured.

#2 The Texans WOULD HAVE made the playoffs if the rest of the team had
not put the kicker in a position of having to kick for points.

#3 Rackers has two more games to get his "fair shot."

#4 I want Kris to win the job because I think he is past whatever caused
him to have problems last year. He is very active in the community, and
has raised thousands of bucks for TCH through his Kris's Kick Club. He
is a team leader/captain/cheerleader, have you not watched Kris on the
sideline? He is up, walking the sideline, supporting his teammates.
You never hear excuses come out of Kris's mouth, he excepts resp for
his screwups. Maybe Rackers will come in here and be as supportive, I
don't know, and neither do you. I think Kris deserves a chance to prove
last year was a fluke, and that he can still be productive as our kicker.
If he falters then bring in Rackers, cause I sincerely believe he will
be unemployed.

#5 YES, I am tired of the "sick feeling" I had last year. Not only when
Kris was up, but when I knew Matt was throwing that ball to JJ. Can't
tell you the number of silent prayers I said for JJ to PLEASE hang on to
the ball, or when he was on STs and returning kickoffs or punts. Or
when Slaton was on the field, or CHRIS Brown. OR when I watched
Dunte, Bennett, or Reeves get burned and cost us 6. I could go on,
but, I won't.

We KNOW Kris Brown's weaknesses. We truly know NOTHING about Rackers, except he is NO BETTER than KB. SOOOOO, why change?

Thanks for your reply She Tex

I now understand why you root for Brown. He sounds like he's a great guy.

With that said he needs to be better at his craft this year.

Dwade
08-23-2010, 06:44 PM
Look, Kris had a bad year last year. The two previous years he was money. I get the hate, I don't get the manufacturing of facts.

I didn't manufacture stats. Rackers was 91% last year.

Me saying Brown is a choker is just an opinion, I will admit that, but based on last year's evidence I believe my opinion is justified.

SheTexan
08-23-2010, 06:49 PM
For one, Kris Brown didn't have 4 field goals blocked, I don't even know what you are talking about.

See above posted stat.

This is an opinion board and everyone is entitled to express their opinion. I just don't see that Rackers is any better. BUT, come Sept 12th I WILL support whoever is wearing a Texan jersey. If the Texans think Rackers is the man for the job, then so be it. Until then, my sig pic will remain as it is.

SheTexan
08-23-2010, 07:00 PM
Thanks for your reply She Tex

I now understand why you root for Brown. He sounds like he's a great guy.

With that said he needs to be better at his craft this year.

Yes, he does!! I will feel sad if he goes, but, that's the nature of the game. I've been around much to long to get that attached to an individual as a player. I just want our team to progress, move on up the football chain, make the playoffs, and make me PROUD of calling myself a Texan. If the FO thinks KB needs to be replaced to make that happen, then so be it!! I'll be pulling for #4 to make every damn kick a winning kick!

Dwade
08-23-2010, 07:01 PM
See above posted stat.

This is an opinion board and everyone is entitled to express their opinion. I just don't see that Rackers is any better. BUT, come Sept 12th I WILL support whoever is wearing a Texan jersey. If the Texans think Rackers is the man for the job, then so be it. Until then, my sig pic will remain as it is.

Yeah that's my bad on that one about the blocked kicks, you were close. I didn't realize that many were blocked.

I never faulted Brown for blocked kicks though, I just fault him for his shanks that cost us games.

C Madd
08-23-2010, 11:41 PM
Yes, he does!! I will feel sad if he goes, but, that's the nature of the game. I've been around much to long to get that attached to an individual as a player. I just want our team to progress, move on up the football chain, make the playoffs, and make me PROUD of calling myself a Texan. If the FO thinks KB needs to be replaced to make that happen, then so be it!! I'll be pulling for #4 to make every damn kick a winning kick!

More fans need your attitude. :)

gary
08-24-2010, 11:02 AM
There is not any all world kicker between the two of them.

gtexan02
08-24-2010, 12:37 PM
There is not any all world kicker between the two of them.

Even so, I firmly believe that whichever kicker gets cut from our squad will find a place on one of the other NFL teams. They are both top 32 in the NFL.

Dan B.
08-24-2010, 01:02 PM
Even so, I firmly believe that whichever kicker gets cut from our squad will find a place on one of the other NFL teams. They are both top 32 in the NFL.

That's not what we need though. Being one of the 32 best at a position doesn't mean squat once the top 32 are sorting each other out. Would you be happy as long as Schaub ranks among the top 32 QB's? Just like any other position they better be top 12, or at least approaching it, or we are toast at some point.

mattieuk
08-24-2010, 03:56 PM
Yes, he does!! I will feel sad if he goes, but, that's the nature of the game. I've been around much to long to get that attached to an individual as a player. I just want our team to progress, move on up the football chain, make the playoffs, and make me PROUD of calling myself a Texan. If the FO thinks KB needs to be replaced to make that happen, then so be it!! I'll be pulling for #4 to make every damn kick a winning kick!

Makes perfect sense. I think too many people wanted KB cut straight out at the end of the season, rather than having a competition, and that is the basis for wanting Rackers to win.

There is a difference between wanting KB to win, because he's KB, and wanting KB to win, because he was the best kicker in the competition.

I personally want KB to come through as the best kicker. But if he doesn't, Rackers will be our man to help us along to the playoffs. I have nothing agaisnt Rackers, but is just my opinion that it is KB's job to lose - if there is someone who can outkick him, and has no behaviour detrimental to the team (Rackers should well fill these requirements) then we'll have a new kicker, and I'll be happy with the upgrade. I don't want KB just out on his performances last year - and I would still have faith with his abilities.

HuttoKarl
08-24-2010, 04:34 PM
I think one of the kickers will be among the last cuts.

gary
08-24-2010, 05:07 PM
They will both have a job without a doubt but there not many outstanding kickers these days it is just a point allbeit a small one.

Brando
08-24-2010, 05:11 PM
They will both have a job without a doubt but there not many outstanding kickers these days it is just a point allbeit a small one.

Yep, whomever gets cut might be kicking against us this year.

gary
08-24-2010, 05:16 PM
Yep, whomever gets cut might be kicking against us this year.
Exactly.

Dwade
08-24-2010, 05:21 PM
Yep, whomever gets cut might be kicking against us this year.

Then I hope KB is kicking against us...he could win us more games that way than he did last year!

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

SheTexan
08-24-2010, 05:32 PM
Then I hope KB is kicking against us...he could win us more games that way than he did last year!

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

He could also become the next Briones and kick our ass with FGs!!

J_R
08-24-2010, 05:36 PM
I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.

I'd say it's tie though if you wanted to go off camp, Rackers has missed less (from everything I read). OTOH, again, even in the preseason in actual games. And not saying it's Racker's job to lose but we know the outcry is going to be there and calling for Brown's head the first time he misses(should he win the job).

Dwade
08-24-2010, 05:39 PM
I'd say it's tie though if you wanted to go off camp, Rackers has missed less (from everything I read). OTOH, again, even in the preseason in actual games. And not saying it's Racker's job to lose but we know the outcry is going to be there and calling for Brown's head the first time he misses(should he win the job).

I agree. Everyone will be calling for blood if KB stays and starts shanking again. Though the same thing could happen if Rackers stays and starts shanking. That's why picking the best is so important.

Oh, and your signature makes me sad...

SheTexan
08-24-2010, 05:44 PM
I'd say it's tie though if you wanted to go off camp, Rackers has missed less (from everything I read). OTOH, again, even in the preseason in actual games. And not saying it's Racker's job to lose but we know the outcry is going to be there and calling for Brown's head the first time he misses(should he win the job).

Strange, I heard that Brown had made more kicks than NR. I also heard that some of the problems was with the long snapper, for both guys. I have no proof, just rumor. I agree that the final ax might fall on Kris simply because the fans are so unforgiving, and Kubes knows that will be a factor come gameday. I would dread having to hear the booooos, and you know they will be there!

J_R
08-24-2010, 06:02 PM
I agree. Everyone will be calling for blood if KB stays and starts shanking again. Though the same thing could happen if Rackers stays and starts shanking. That's why picking the best is so important.

Oh, and your signature makes me sad...

Yeah, there probably will be people mad as hell if Rackers misses or starts shanking (not giving Rackers an excuse or pass here here) but he is the new guy. Again, that isnt to say because he is the new guy, it's ok if he misses but I guess what I'm getting at is fans may be more leniant w/ Rackers than they are with Brown. I could be wrong though. JMO

Strange, I heard that Brown had made more kicks than NR. I also heard that some of the problems was with the long snapper, for both guys. I have no proof, just rumor. I agree that the final ax might fall on Kris simply because the fans are so unforgiving, and Kubes knows that will be a factor come gameday. I would dread having to hear the booooos, and you know they will be there!

I could be wrong. I'll have to go dig up and see what I can find. I too heard about the LS problem. And agree on that last part. :)

DexmanC
08-24-2010, 06:05 PM
Yeah, there probably will be people mad as hell if Rackers misses or starts shanking (not giving Rackers an excuse or pass here here) but he is the new guy. Again, that isnt to say because he is the new guy, it's ok if he misses but I guess what I'm getting at is fans may be more leniant w/ Rackers than they are with Brown. I could be wrong though. JMO

Damn right. The first miss by Kris Brown will be HELL if he does so at Reliant.
Dude shanked EVERYTHING against the Patiots last year, and the coaches
had to keep the ball off of his feet.

If the Saints can fire Carney, and give the job to Hartley, then Kubiak
can grow a pair of balls and fire Kris Brown.

SheTexan
08-24-2010, 06:10 PM
As much as I would like to see Kris get another chance, and make it GOOD, I believe he will get booooooo'd relentlessly, until he nails one that gives us a much needed win. Like against the Colts or Titans! :) Then he will be everyone's hero!! Rackers, on the other hand, will get a vanilla reception until he does the same thing. That's the way Houston fans roll.

J_R
08-24-2010, 06:33 PM
Recap of the competition thus far:

OTAs Day 10 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6189):
The competition had been put on hold because of a hamstring injury to Rackers, who was signed in April as a free agent from the Arizona Cardinals. Wednesday, both kickers were a perfect 8-for-8 on field goals in competitive situations in front of the entire team.

OTAs Day 13 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6198):
The competition didn't begin until last Thursday, when both kickers were a perfect 8-for-8 in competitive situations in front of the team. During Tuesday's indoor practice, Brown was 5-of-5 to Rackers' 4-of-5.
Texans coach Gary Kubiak said that Rackers was 5-of-5 on Wednesday, while Brown went 4-of-5.

OTAs Day 14 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6200):
Kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers continued their competition on Thursday. They kicked in front of the entire team with piped-in crowd noise coming from speakers on the sidelines.

Both kickers had seven or eight attempts. Rackers missed one, while Brown was off on his final four attempts.

Kubiak said that the competition will be put on hold during mini-camp, when Brown and Rackers will work individually with special teams coordinator Joe Marciano. The kicking competition will resume in training camp.

Day 5 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6247):
Brown finished 5-of-6, barely missing wide left on his second attempt from 43 yards. Rackers was a perfect 6-of-6.

Day 7 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6256):
Fans got a live look at the Texans' kicking competition on Thursday night. With special teams coordinator Joe Marciano keeping a watchful eye, Kris Brown and Neil Rackers both went 6-of-7 on field goal attempts of 48 yards or longer. Rackers missed first from 48, while Brown missed one off the post and crossbar from 55 yards away. Brown was 1-of-2 from 55, while Rackers was 2-of-2. "They've both been kicking very well," Kubiak said. "We'll just keep going and try to get it as fair as we can until we start playing (games)."

Day 9 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6262):
Kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers alternated field goal attempts from the following distances: 32, 37, 42, 47 and 52 yards. Brown was 4-of-6, missing wide right from 42 and 52. Rackers was 6-of-6. Kubiak has indicated that once the preseason begin, Brown and Rackers will alternate kicks in game situations.


Day 12 (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6274):
- Kicker Kris Brown looked automatic on Wednesday morning, while Neil Rackers missed a few field goal attempts late in practice. Long snapper Jon Weeks, a first-year player out of Baylor, had a couple of high snaps that might have contributed to some of Rackers' misses. "Obviously, this kid is going into his first NFL action this weekend," Kubiak said of Weeks. "Are we going to keep a snapper (on the final 53-man roster)? He'll have to be automatic if we're going to do that. If not, then we may be back leaning on Joel (Dreessen) from that standpoint. So not only our kickers are in a big competition, but Weeks has got to prove to us he can do it."

Preseason Game 1(Cardinals) (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6281):
Brown made a 31-yard field goal in the first quarter, which Rackers followed with a 24-yard field goal in the second quarter. Brown hit from 26 yards out in the third and also added an extra point in the first quarter.

Rackers would have had a chance for a game-tying 51-yard field goal in the closing seconds had John David Booty not been sacked to end the game.

Preseason Game 2(Saints) (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6301):
Kickers Kris Brown and Neil Rackers both made their longest field goals of the 2010 preseason on Saturday.

Late in the second quarter, Rackers booted a 52-yarder that went just over the crossbar. It was as straight down the middle as can be, bouncing off the curved stanchion that connects the crossbar to the ground.
Brown made a 43-yard field goal in the third quarter with plenty of distance to spare, remaining perfect on the 2010 preseason. He has now made 19 consecutive preseason field goals dating back to Aug. 25, 2007, vs. the Dallas Cowboys.

Brown is 3-of-3 on field goals this preseason. Rackers is 2-of-2. Both kickers also had one extra point on Saturday night, while Rackers added a special teams tackle in kickoff coverage.

Dwade
08-24-2010, 06:48 PM
Based on that information, Rackers has beat or tied Brown every day except one.

Unless something drastic happens in the next two weeks, looks like KB is outta here.

J_R
08-24-2010, 06:54 PM
Based on that information, Rackers has beat or tied Brown every day except one.

Unless something drastic happens in the next two weeks, looks like KB is outta here.

As I said in a previous post ;) , looks like Rackers has missed less. Not that that means much, because for all we know, Brown gets the job back. Can only wait and see?!

mattieuk
08-24-2010, 07:44 PM
Based on that information, Rackers has beat or tied Brown every day except one.

Unless something drastic happens in the next two weeks, looks like KB is outta here.

That is true. However, a portion pro-Rackers lobby have been saying that camp kicking doesn't matter, and it's the in game kicking that they are more interested in (although as Rackers is proving the best on the practice field, this may change now).

I personally put little weight on training field field goal kicks. Once you have the ability to be an NFL kicker, 75% of the issue is mental attributes. Unfortunately we can't continue the kicking competition into the regular season, so we're going to have to go off of imperfect information as far as this position battle goes.

As far as I'm concerned, physically, Brown obviously has the potential ability that Rackers has (they've matched each other for the pre-season games, and can both kick 50+ yards). I still think KB has enough in the tank to perform as a top 15 kicker (perhaps its nostalgia from before last season-like the 2007 Dolphins game he won single handedly). I think Rackers has the ability to be a top 15 kicker as well. At present, its a 1a and 1b scenario, which my sentiments would pick KB over Rackers in this situation, unless the last two pre season games start showing KB up.

I think the best way to settle this, is to line up a load of cute puppies during the final 2 preseason games, give Kubes a rifle, and tell him to get to work on the pups, every time one of the kickers miss - about the only way we can get a pressurized kick before the regular season begins.