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El Tejano
08-17-2010, 11:26 AM
I say we need to treat our starter gingerly during the preseason, given our RB situation and caution for injuries. Steve needs the redemption and he needs to reestablish his and his team's faith in him. Give Arian one series and let Steve take over for the rest of the half. Henry and JJ can battle it out all second half. What say you?

HOU-TEX
08-17-2010, 11:28 AM
Texan_Bill?

Texan_Bill
08-17-2010, 11:29 AM
People are acting like losing Ben Tate was a huge deal. I said a while back that I didn't figure that he would factor into that many touches this season.

Arian is the #1, Steve a third down or situational back.

drewmar74
08-17-2010, 11:31 AM
Texan_Bill?

Agreed. I'll get on the horn to McNair and make this happen.

TB, you might want to start some stretching exercises and stock up on some ibuprofen.

C Madd
08-17-2010, 11:32 AM
I'd like to see a bit more of Jeremiah Johnson. I think he ran the ball well against Arizona against 3rd stringers. It would be nice to see him up against 1st and 2nd stringers to find out if he will be a viable option in the backfield.

Texan_Bill
08-17-2010, 11:33 AM
Texan_Bill?

Agreed. I'll get on the horn to McNair and make this happen.

TB, you might want to start some stretching exercises and stock up on some ibuprofen.

I'm ready!!

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thunderkyss
08-17-2010, 11:34 AM
Game 1,

Starters play 1 maybe 2 series, unless you've got a lot to work on. This is vanilla offense, and vanilla defense, pretty much setting the foundation for everything you are going to do all season long. The object is to get the 1s on film, and find flaws in those basics. This week, they should be working on correcting what they saw on film. The 2s will also get this treatment. Most of the 2s will be on the roster, and we may need to rely on them one day.

The 3s are either young 2s who need more snaps, or guys we're trying to decide if it's worth the time and effort to keep, and teach. These guys are playing for their jobs, if not with our team, with another.

Game 2,

Hopefully we got the fix in. We'll see in more situations how our foundation is. They'll play a half, maybe they'll come out after the half.

Arian Foster will get several snaps to see how he works in several situations. But like WR, there will be opportunities to see Slaton with the 1s, and Chris Henry with the 1s. There will be a lot of different packages, TEs, WRs, FB, etc...

The last thing you want to do in any of these games, is play scared. That's when people get hurt. NOT saying Tate was playing scared, those things happen. But Foster, Slaton, & Henry need to get as many reps as they can with the 1s, against the 1s if we really want to be ready Week 1.

There will be too many situational things going on to say Foster get's one series, Slaton gets the first half.

thunderkyss
08-17-2010, 11:37 AM
People are acting like losing Ben Tate was a huge deal. I said a while back that I didn't figure that he would factor into that many touches this season.

Arian is the #1, Steve a third down or situational back.

I totally agree, Slaton or Foster was going to get the most carries, unless Tate made it obvious that he should get more.

That now passes to Henry & Jeremiah (I love that name).

I think people are being a little hard on Slaton (Fingers crossed & praying about his neck) but a lot of what happened the first 5 or six games IMO is on Kubiak and injuries to the OL.

I think he'll be fine, he looked good Saturday. He might not be able to carry the load, but he's good for the 10-15 carries, plus 3rd down & situations catching the ball out of the back-field.

Tate was going to have to earn his spot anyway.

thunderkyss
08-17-2010, 11:41 AM
I'd like to see a bit more of Jeremiah Johnson. I think he ran the ball well against Arizona against 3rd stringers. It would be nice to see him up against 1st and 2nd stringers to find out if he will be a viable option in the backfield.

I won't be able to watch the game again until tomorrow. I remember his speed looked good. His patience (using his blockers) is probably the best I've seen in Houston since DD. But I don't remember much early contact, and how he did in those situations.

Right now, I can see him replacing Slaton (it's still very early, but just saying) as the third down scat back guy.

But I'm not sold on him getting major (back up/spell Foster) Carries.

El Tejano
08-17-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm not freaking out because of Tate, I'm just thinking how our depth went down a bit. Who is our big back to get us that extra yard we needed to get in the playoffs last year?

HOU-TEX
08-17-2010, 11:44 AM
I'm ready!!

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I assume you're Nigel?

Texan_Bill
08-17-2010, 11:52 AM
I assume you're Nigel?

That's "The Leg" Gruff to you mate.

JB
08-17-2010, 11:56 AM
Just let Turk tote it when we need a big play.

Texecutioner
08-17-2010, 11:58 AM
Before Slaton fumbled the ball I thought he was running really well. He was fighting for yards and looked pretty good. I'm not down and out on Slaton just yet.

CloakNNNdagger
08-17-2010, 12:01 PM
Who totes the rock?...........Anyone who's left standing and "unbroken" by September 12. :kitten:

Texan_Bill
08-17-2010, 12:02 PM
Just let Turk tote it when we need a big play.

Hellz yeah!! In 2008 Turk had an 18 yard per carry average. :turtle:

The1ApplePie
08-17-2010, 12:05 PM
Couldn't we just train one of our 8 billion tight ends to come in and fall forward for a yard?

eriadoc
08-17-2010, 12:07 PM
Who totes the rock? Whoever can hold on to the rock. If it's on the ground, you aren't toting it, you're chasing it or giving it away.

drewmar74
08-17-2010, 12:23 PM
That's "The Leg" Gruff to you mate.

Got your strength and conditioning coach lined up....

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Texan_Bill
08-17-2010, 12:32 PM
Got your strength and conditioning coach lined up....

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:gun: :thud:

Texas T
08-17-2010, 12:38 PM
Who totes the rock?...........Anyone who's left standing and "unbroken" by September 12. :kitten:

I'm for giving the ball to Leach-I'm betting he can bully in a yard or two when needed.

El Tejano
08-17-2010, 12:47 PM
I'm for giving the ball to Leach-I'm betting he can bully in a yard or two when needed.

Actually, I've always wondered why we never go with that option at the goalline or when we need a yard.

Vinnie
08-17-2010, 12:55 PM
I think we'll see Arian in there for he first couple series, then Slaton for the rest of the first half. The second half will be the Henry and Johnson show. Didn't Casey run some half back at Rice? Might see what he can do as well.

CloakNNNdagger
08-17-2010, 01:29 PM
Actually, I've always wondered why we never go with that option at the goalline or when we need a yard.

Those were the days.......when NFL RBs and HBs were interchangeable.........and never knowing which was going to carry the rock.

Before the NFL, Leach did carry the rock for an ave around 3.5 ypc. His longest run..........15 yds. But, like they say, it's hard to stop a train........and Leach is a train.

The reason he has not been given the ball in this offense is probably because, if you have watched him after a catch, for some reason he goes down commonly at the point of first good contact with the defender. But in a 1 or 2 yd line situation, it would seem to be a possibility. He would have to go through exercises that would prepare him to hang onto the ball fiercely while being mauled in a stackup or pile.

For anyone interested, here's an 2008 article about Leach with some facts that aren't usually brought up. LINK (http://www.bonesville.net/articles/AlMyatt/2008/07/070308_Myatt.htm)

Texas T
08-17-2010, 01:48 PM
Those were the days.......when NFL RBs and HBs were interchangeable.........and never knowing which was going to carry the rock.

Before the NFL, Leach did carry the rock for an ave around 3.5 ypc. His longest run..........15 yds. But, like they say, it's hard to stop a train........and Leach is a train.

The reason he has not been given the ball in this offense is probably because, if you have watched him after a catch, for some reason he goes down commonly at the point of first good contact with the defender. But in a 1 or 2 yd line situation, it would seem to be a possibility. He would have to go through exercises that would prepare him to hang onto the ball fiercely while being mauled in a stackup or pile.

For anyone interested, here's an 2008 article about Leach with some facts that aren't usually brought up. LINK (http://www.bonesville.net/articles/AlMyatt/2008/07/070308_Myatt.htm)

Excellent read CnD, thanks alot. I think that outside the Texan circles, people just don't understand the value of what a blocking monster Leach is.
I am a firm believer Kubs should at least try letting him push it in once in a while.

The1ApplePie
08-17-2010, 02:13 PM
Those were the days.......when NFL RBs and HBs were interchangeable.........and never knowing which was going to carry the rock.

Before the NFL, Leach did carry the rock for an ave around 3.5 ypc. His longest run..........15 yds. But, like they say, it's hard to stop a train........and Leach is a train.

The reason he has not been given the ball in this offense is probably because, if you have watched him after a catch, for some reason he goes down commonly at the point of first good contact with the defender. But in a 1 or 2 yd line situation, it would seem to be a possibility. He would have to go through exercises that would prepare him to hang onto the ball fiercely while being mauled in a stackup or pile.

For anyone interested, here's an 2008 article about Leach with some facts that aren't usually brought up. LINK (http://www.bonesville.net/articles/AlMyatt/2008/07/070308_Myatt.htm)

McClain at Baltimore and Jones at Jacksonville are two of the rare players that can play both positions these days.

I could see lining up Okam or Okoye lining up at fullback with Leach behind them.

infantrycak
08-17-2010, 03:47 PM
Holes open and close very fast at the goal line. Lateral shiftiness and burst are much more important than size and Leach isn't shifty.

zanth91
08-19-2010, 02:09 PM
Tate Injury Solidifies Starting Role for Foster (http://bit.ly/bLzKul)

I think the obvious answer is Foster. Who's behind him is the bigger question. Slaton will be the 3rd down back, and either Henry or J Johnson will end up being the true backup to Foster.

Mr teX
08-19-2010, 02:20 PM
Slaton is a known commodity but we need to see more from Arian Foster so we should proceed like we would for any starter & back up.

1st game - 1 series

2nd game - quarter & half

3rd game - 2 1/2 quarters

4th game - rest

As far as other guys, I want to see what Johnson can do when the level of talent is increased..

ChrisG
08-19-2010, 09:04 PM
I would like to c what JJ has to offer. And it would b nice to c if slaton has been working in running lower to help wit the fumbles


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ObsiWan
08-19-2010, 09:52 PM
I say we need to treat our starter gingerly during the preseason, given our RB situation and caution for injuries. Steve needs the redemption and he needs to reestablish his and his team's faith in him. Give Arian one series and let Steve take over for the rest of the half. Henry and JJ can battle it out all second half. What say you?

I think that's the way it will unfold but not for caution's sake but for the sake of player evaluation. Unless Foster significantly regresses, he's the starter. And, unless they come out and stink up the place, the starters only play 2-3 series in preseason. Then it's player evaluation time. What will be telling is number of 2nd team reps Slaton gets vs. Johnson. If they've lost faith in Slaton, we may see more of JJ with the twos.

OBTW, any rumors about us working out another RB??