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Marcus
03-17-2005, 11:10 AM
Wednesday noon, the folks at Sirius got a hold of Charley in Hawaii. He's on the NFL Competition Committee. (nice place to hold the committee meetings :rolleyes: )

They wanted his comments regarding Orlando Pace. His response was that the Rams have his rights and they've franchised him. "We brought him in, and gave him a physical, and agreed to the terms of the contract" if the Rams trade him to us, but the ball is in the Rams court. It was a long shot, but we tried."

Then they asked him his opinion about all the teams that are converting to a 3-4 this season, in light of the fact that that the Texans have been running it for the past three seasons, and how would that effect Texans' chances of getting the right players for the 3-4 in the draft.

He said that you need to bear in mind that only two college teams run the 3-4. Maryland and Virginia. So when you're drafting players to play linebacker for the 3-4, you have to project. (He practically yelled that word.) He said the teams that are converting to 3-4 this season "will be interesting to watch". He added, "Atlanta began the season last year with the 3-4, but went back to the 4-3 when they figured out they didn't have the personnel for it. You have to have the right players to make the 3-4 work. We've been running it for 3 years now, and we still don't have all the pieces yet!" :shocked

He said there are different styles of the 3-4. (I didn't know that) He said that the Texans run a different style of the 3-4 than the rest of the teams. Asked to elaborate . . . he said "in our style, we want the down linemen to tie up the offensive line, and we want the linebackers the find the ball and cover. Not just the ones on the edge, all four of them". He added, "in other styles, you might have the front 3 making a more direct input, but in ours, the linebackers will find the ball and cover".

My translation: They are fat dumb, and happy with the defensive line, but they are NOT happy with the linebacker play. And it fits perfectly with the moves that are being made this offseason.

He was asked what his impressions were about Aaron Rogers and Alex Smith. He said that he hasn't studied them, since "we won't be picking quarterback high in the draft". Then he was asked to rate the running backs 1,2, 3. He laughed and said, "you guys get paid to ask questions, I get paid to NOT answer them". But his further comments indicated that he has done a LOT of studying on these guys. "Ronny Brown weighs 230, and faster. Cadillac is 210, about as fast, but more elusive, while Cedric Benson is not as fast, but more durable, a runner that get stronger in the 4th quarter, like Eddie George in his prime".

Asked about the tight-end situation. He said, This year is a "very bad" draft for tight ends. But added, "we drafted a very good tight end two years ago, Bennie Joppru, who has been hurt the last two years, and hasn't been able to play for us. He got healthy late last season, but at the time we didn't have roster spot open for him. But now, he's healthy and working out, and we expect him to participate and make a contribution in 2005."

And finally, he was asked if the effort to land Orlando Pace was knock against Seth Wand. "Not at all, in fact we're very pleased with the play with both Seth and Chester Pitts. But when you have a chance to try to get an Orlando Pace, you make the effort. "Asked about OL in the draft, he did mention Alex Barron, and only him, indicating to me that Barron is his top O lineman on the board.

But from the entire jist of the interview, I'd say linebacker is the position that he and Capers are looking at in the draft. And again, this fits right in with what they've done so far.

Boris
03-17-2005, 11:14 AM
Thanks for the re-cap..... its appreciated.

Vinny
03-17-2005, 11:15 AM
Thanks Marcus. Sums up much of the drivel I have been spewing lately :whew Perhaps people will start believing me about my Joppru comments now. :heh:

RTP2110
03-17-2005, 11:17 AM
Great report Marcus. Kudos. :thumbup

D-ReK
03-17-2005, 11:18 AM
I really appreciate you taking the time to fill us in :thumbup ...

You're right, our offseason moves make more sense now...I think this may give a little insight into what our 1st round pick may be...Probably Merriman if he falls a little, Barron, Ronnie B., Cadillac, or Benson, but then again, it's always smoke and mirrors with Charley...I would've liked to get his opinion on some of the CBs, too...

Marcus
03-17-2005, 11:25 AM
. . it's always smoke and mirrors with Charley...I would've liked to get his opinion on some of the CBs, too...

Yeah, I think he invented smoke and mirrors. :)

And yes, it would have interesting to hear how much he has "studied" the CBs as well, much less the linebackers. I know he wouldn't have publicly rated them, but it would have been interested to hear his view on the differences.

Rosusu
03-17-2005, 11:34 AM
Thanks a lot for posting that, it is great to get recaps.

I think it is very interesting that he has been studying the RBs so much, I dont think I would be happy with us taking a RB int he first round.

infantrycak
03-17-2005, 11:38 AM
Marcus, thanks for the recap. Did he say anything more than what you summarized about the RB's that made you think he had really been studying them? The quotes you have there could be gleened from 5 minutes of internet draft site review.

rittenhouserobz
03-17-2005, 11:39 AM
I would just like to note that it was wonderful to see CC stating Joppru will contribute this year.

Marcus
03-17-2005, 12:19 PM
Marcus, thanks for the recap. Did he say anything more than what you summarized about the RB's that made you think he had really been studying them? The quotes you have there could be gleened from 5 minutes of internet draft site review.

Not anything that I can remember. I was driving on the freeway at the time, so I couldn't take notes. (I wish there was a TIVO type record function on my radio for these sort of things) But the thing that struck me, was that he was first asked his impressions of the quarterbacks, and he wouldn't give them because "I haven't studied them, because we're not taking a QB high in the draft".

But when the subject of running backs came up, he went into this long speil about their differences. Which indicates to me that he's been 'studying' them, and if he's doing that, then he's got his scouts looking at them, so . . . idonno:

EDIT: Now, I do remember something. he noted that both Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams both ran 4.4s in the 40 at the combine, for which he said, "That's unheard of."

bckey
03-17-2005, 12:24 PM
Thanks for taking the time to post a recap of the interview Marcus. I still think CC will draft a cb and then possibly move up for another "tweener" or DL. Just like last year.

Vinny
03-17-2005, 12:27 PM
But when the subject of running backs came up, he went into this long speil about their differences. Which indicates to me that he's been 'studying' them, and if he's doing that, then he's got his scouts looking at them, so . . . idonno:Thatís no real surprise in my eyes. We are a running team and really need to add another RB. If the right guy falls to us at 13 it may shock some (if we took him), it would not shock me. I still think we likley take a back in the 3rd though. All 3 of the top guys are likely gone.

TheOgre
03-17-2005, 12:32 PM
Question:

If Benson, Cadillac, or Ronnie Brown fell to us at 13, do you think we would take them?

Edit - Vinny answered my question as I asked it.

I think we would jump all over any of these three. I think one of them might fall to us.

D-ReK
03-17-2005, 12:40 PM
I think one of the three is going to fall, simply because there isn't that much of a demand for RBs at the top of the draft...Miami will take one, Tampa might, and the Cards might...If either Tampa or Arizona doesn't draft a RB, it is likely one of the three will still be on the board at 13, and I think it will probably be Benson...He doesn't seem to fit into Tampa's or Arizona's scheme as much as Ronnie and Cadillac do...If Miami doesn't take Benson at 2, he could easily slide to 13...If I'm the Texans, I take him in a heartbeat...

Marcus
03-17-2005, 12:40 PM
All 3 of the top guys are likely gone.

That's what I think, too. But you never know about these drafts. I would say off-hand, that if one them is still available at #13, it would be Cadillac Williams. We could do worse.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-17-2005, 12:40 PM
Question:

If Benson, Cadillac, or Ronnie Brown fell to us at 13, do you think we would take them?

Edit - Vinny answered my question as I asked it.

I think we would jump all over any of these three. I think one of them might fall to us.



Without a doubt. They would easily be the best players left on the board.

Rosusu
03-17-2005, 12:45 PM
The problem I have with taking a RB early is that we have more pressing needs than a RB. We have a guy that has rushed for over 1000 the last two seasons and doesnt look like he is slowing down at all. If we can get our line playing at a decent level there is no telling what he will be able to do. We also have capable backups that filled in nicely when Dom went down last year. I think we need to look at defense in the first round.

Marcus
03-17-2005, 12:52 PM
I think we need to look at defense in the first round.

Casserly might very well agree with you. He IS making linebacker moves, and got rid of Foreman and has Sharper hanging in the wind. I wouldn't put it past him to talk up the RBs just to try to get other players to fall to him, like Shawn Merriman or Pollard, for instance.

LBblitz
03-17-2005, 01:00 PM
I know this will not happen...but if benson and DJ are still available at #13 who should we pick. IMO DJ would contribute more to the D than benson would to the O.

D-ReK
03-17-2005, 01:08 PM
I know this will not happen...but if benson and DJ are still available at #13 who should we pick

DJ definitely...He's (arguably) the best player in the draft...

PapaL
03-17-2005, 01:14 PM
he said "in our style, we want the down linemen to tie up the offensive line, and we want the linebackers the find the ball and cover. Not just the ones on the edge, all four of them". He added, "in other styles, you might have the front 3 making a more direct input, but in ours, the linebackers will find the ball and cover".

My translation: They are fat dumb, and happy with the defensive line, but they are NOT happy with the linebacker play. And it fits perfectly with the moves that are being made this offseason.

Normally don't post just read, but I find those statements strange. Gary Walker - over $7M the next 2 years, Seth Payne - over $8M the next 2 years, Robaire Smith - $7M, seems like a lot of money for 3 guys to "tie" up the O-Line. For $22M I think they could have gotten over a tons worth of guys to "tie" up the line. Not bashing anyone, Love my Texans, but something isn't right about those statements.

nunusguy
03-17-2005, 01:26 PM
"in our style, we want the down linemen to tie up the offensive line, and we want the linebackers the find the ball and cover. Not just the ones on the edge, all four of them". He added, "in other styles, you might have the front 3 making a more direct input, but in ours, the linebackers will find the ball and cover".
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This is not even a slight deviation from what I've heard and read the standard
strategy of the 3-4 to be: large, bulky, strong "tackle type" lineman who tie up interference and quick, fast LBs who pursue and tackle from sideline to sideline. So I guess I'm confused by what he means by "other styles" vs. "ours".

PapaL
03-17-2005, 01:38 PM
I think he means that in other 3-4's they expect the dl to make plays and in ours they're just a buffer so that the LB's can make the plays. Thats how I read it.

TheOgre
03-17-2005, 01:40 PM
Look at a guy like Richard Seymour for the Patriots is involved in more plays (than Texan linemen). Look at his stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5453

Aaron Smith for the Steelers gets more involved as well:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=4759

Vinny
03-17-2005, 01:45 PM
Look at a guy like Richard Seymour for the Patriots is involved in more plays (than Texan linemen). Look at his stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5453

Aaron Smith for the Steelers gets more involved as well:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=4759Also, if you look at Tedy Bruschi and Ted Johnson (Patriot inside linebackers) you will not see the huge tackle totals that Sharper and Foreman have. We funnel more of our tackles to the inside guys than they do.

ledzeppelin229
03-17-2005, 01:48 PM
Looking at our system, ideally wouldn't we have multiple NT two-gap guys? The more they can tie up the better. I think Smith would fit that description but I'm not sure Walker really fits it completely. But if he makes up for it in production (see 2002, 6.5 sacks) then I guess he still works.

PapaL
03-17-2005, 01:49 PM
Ballpark stats:
Seymour and Smith avergae about 50 total tkls a year. Last year our starting front 3, injuries aside, Walker 30, Payne 51, Smith 52. Seems like one of these 3 that played the vast majority of the year isn't up to par.

beerlover
03-17-2005, 01:50 PM
great pick-up Marcus :thumbup

these are the little tid bits of information that perhaps tip the Texans cap in one way or another, although reading too much into these things is probably unwise. having said that-

the d-line is set (will use maybe a 3rd round pick to develop)

offensive line LT & LG set (also RT set with Wade) all other positions open for discussion.

TE Bennie Joppru hopefull of being set

QB set

RB position, we all know Ronnie Brown will be long gone by the time the Texans pick, so it comes down to Cedric & Cadillac. my preference would be towards Cadillac (love his total game & attitiude) since he is similar to Dominack Davis in style, just quicker & more of a long yardage threat. but what is the one knock of Dominack? Durability. the fact that Casserly said Cedric Benson is a durable, workhorse like back leads me to believe that if available @ #13 the Texans might select Benson as the future franchise RB of the Texans.

oh yeah and the LB projected thing was great, meaning that a lot of teams will be doing just that projecting DE's to play OLB's, Merriman for example who plays in a 3-4 @ Maryland. I'd almost bet money on that 2nd pick actually being a 3-4 OLB who does not project but actually plays OLB in a 3-4 system at Virginia, named Darryl Blackstock. find the ball & cover

nunusguy
03-17-2005, 01:51 PM
Look at a guy like Richard Seymour for the Patriots is involved in more plays (than Texan linemen). Look at his stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5453
Aaron Smith for the Steelers gets more involved as well:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=4759
I'd be inclined to think that the guys on the other teams had more impressive
stats because they were better players than our lineman, rather than it being
a matter of the design of one 3-4 vs. any kind of variation of that design with another team.

fball
03-17-2005, 02:40 PM
One thing I don't understand is why are we always focusing on getting linebackers in the draft every year, if we keep this up we will have a logjam at this position and have alot of unhappy players, I would like them to focus on other positions that we may need.

F-minus67
03-17-2005, 02:54 PM
I think that the team goes after LBs since our passrush is so weak, in the history of this team no one player has ever had over 8 sacks. Not to mention the LBs are the lifeblood of the 3-4 defense.

D-ReK
03-17-2005, 02:56 PM
You can expect us to take at least one LB project every year...If you look at the draft histories of prominant 3-4 teams (Steelers, Patriots, Ravens), they all take at least one tweener every year, because without a pass rush, the 3-4 is a futile defense...

ArlingtonTexan
03-17-2005, 03:12 PM
I'd be inclined to think that the guys on the other teams had more impressive
stats because they were better players than our lineman, rather than it being
a matter of the design of one 3-4 vs. any kind of variation of that design with another team.

I have thought the same thing too about the talent of our lineman, but there is probably a little more to that then we (well maybe just I) want to admit. The Texans ILB have consistently had higher tackle totals than othe 3-4 for based teams, while the DLman have consistently had lower sack and tackle totals.

Casserly saying that there are multiple way to running the 3-4 is no different than his saying all team don't run the same plays out of a three WR set. We would never question that assumpton. I think we have only been hearing the Texans version of how to run a 3-4 not the whole story.

Sarg01
03-17-2005, 03:24 PM
One thing I don't understand is why are we always focusing on getting linebackers in the draft every year, if we keep this up we will have a logjam at this position and have alot of unhappy players, I would like them to focus on other positions that we may need.

Both Sharper and Wong are in FA after this year - assuming they make it to the end of the season without being traded. They both have big cap numbers (6.1 and 4.4 mil respectively) and neither is a spring chicken. If you look at our LB core without these two players you have Babin, Peek and Greenwood starting - and who's the 4th? Polk? Anderson? Cheatwood?

Picking a LB that can starter-calibre by the end of the season, especially an ILB, makes a huge amount of sense. Even a depth LB wouldn't be too surprising, since the only guy behind our starters (assuming Sharper or Wong is gone) who has had enough time to prove himself is Polk.

Meloy
03-17-2005, 05:19 PM
I don't know how DD would react to having Benson sharing carries but I think mixing the two would be good. Both would be fairly fresh in 4th quarter and that's when we need some 1st downs. I would like a DT or DJ @ 13 but prob not available so I could agree with Benson. WR? depends on who is there. I'm still not sold on Hollings or Wells. Hope I'm going to be convinced because I think both will be on team.

Grid
03-17-2005, 06:43 PM
I would jump on benson or brown if they fell to us.. though Cadillac kinda worries me with his size.

DJ is a no brainer.. if he is available at 13 he overrides everything else. we will take him immediatly... Tagliabue might was well not sit down after announcing the 12th pick.


I like that we are looking at LBs though. DAVID POLLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pollack is, in my mind.. the #2 LB in the draft (behind DJ). Merriman is a great physical specimen.. but Pollack has all the intangibles. Pollack could come in and make an immediate impact.

southtexan
03-17-2005, 06:59 PM
Thanks Marcus. Sums up much of the drivel I have been spewing lately :whew Perhaps people will start believing me about my Joppru comments now. :heh:
what's your opinion on Joppru? I really don't know anything about Joppru.

thanx

scourge
03-18-2005, 03:37 AM
While I think that Brown is the best back overall in the draft, I feel that Benson would be the back that Capers is looking for. But if any of the 3 were available I'd actually prefer us to trade down for a lower 1st and preferrably a 2nd. I think this draft will have plenty of people we could use in the 2nd, maybe even a high 2nd if we throw in one of our later rounds in the trade. Between Arrington, Fason, or Shelton there should be at least one available in the 2nd for us if we are looking for a rb...

:twocents:

BornOrange
03-18-2005, 07:45 AM
Although I am a Longhorn fan, I hope the Texans don't take Benson if he falls to 13. I don't think he is worth a first round pick. He was a great college back, and maybe the best high school running back EVER, but I don't think he is going to do as well in the NFL as everyone is expecting.

Texan in Japan
03-18-2005, 08:28 AM
Although I am a Longhorn fan, I hope the Texans don't take Benson if he falls to 13. I don't think he is worth a first round pick. He was a great college back, and maybe the best high school running back EVER, but I don't think he is going to do as well in the NFL as everyone is expecting.

Wow! A Texas fan down on Benson. I'm just a tad worried about all of that mileage he's got on his body. He's certainly durable. I can't really pin-point why, but I have to agree he MAY not be an all-star pro player.

Marcus
03-18-2005, 10:06 AM
Normally don't post just read, but I find those statements strange. Gary Walker - over $7M the next 2 years, Seth Payne - over $8M the next 2 years, Robaire Smith - $7M, seems like a lot of money for 3 guys to "tie" up the O-Line. For $22M I think they could have gotten over a tons worth of guys to "tie" up the line. Not bashing anyone, Love my Texans, but something isn't right about those statements.

Asking Walker, Payne, and Smith, all big, strong, over 300 lb. linemen to each play a two-gap role, essentially be 3 nose tackles on the line . . . is sound strategy, provided that you have 4 quick and smart linebackers that can both locate the runner, and cover the receivers. The linebackers shouldn't have to concern themselves with the bigger stronger offensive linemen. If they are getting tangled up with them, then the defensive linemen aren't doing their job. (Which BTW, can be easily discovered when watching film)

To the surprise to many of "us", the team meetings evidently concluded that the front three were doing their job, which leaves . . . .

The 3-4 strategy, regardless of style, in my view, was vindicated on that cold wintry night up in Foxboro. I don't recall one time where anyone on that Richard Seymore - less defensive front three ever had their names called. But they couldn't stop talking about those four linebackers running around like crazy men . . . finding the ball and covering.

cadahnic
03-18-2005, 10:10 AM
dont worry people in the draft we will grab some two gap linemen that will learn and be able to step in for Walker(gone after this year). Look for us to go after Albert Means in the fourth or fifth if we have one. He is an excellent two gap guy who could play NT. I will post some possible late round picks we could grab at DE and NT later on this board.

D-ReK
03-18-2005, 02:17 PM
dont worry people in the draft we will grab some two gap linemen that will learn and be able to step in for Walker(gone after this year)

I seriously doubt Walker will be gone after this year regardless of his production...We'd take too much of a cap hit and may not be able to replace him next offseason (not sure who the FA D-Linemen will be next year)...

BigDTexansFan
03-19-2005, 04:31 PM
told the Mrs. we need that Sirius radio for my car, but no groceries and rent come first, I ask you what is a Texans fanatic to do....LOL