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Rey
08-16-2010, 02:33 PM
Didn't see this posted...please merge if it has been

I can't confirm or deny authenticity of it but this morning on the radio I heard that through their first four years in the leauge Mario Williams is 3rd all time in sacks. They also said that he was 4th in sacks over the last 3 years.

If that is true, then 1) it's freaking awesome 2)it's freaking awesome

It seems as if Mario is expected to do more...

Dude is already pretty good against the run...the sacks are coming in for him...He got two in the pre-season game...

Will he become the best DE ever?

nero THE zero
08-16-2010, 02:47 PM
Definitely not true. Not even close to being true.

Smith had 44.5
White had 70
Peppers had 40.5
Jared Allen had 43
Freeney had 51
etc. etc.

Mario has 39.5

eriadoc
08-16-2010, 02:54 PM
39.5 sacks, on this team, with as little help as he's gotten over the years, is pretty damn good. People bash Mario a bit too much. Yes, we'd all like to see him beast like he did on Saturday more frequently, but if you knew drafting the guy that he'd be good for 10 sacks a year and numerous pressures, all while being rock solid against the run, you'd still take him #1.

That said, he'll never be Reggie White. I'm not sure anyone ever will. To be fair, White had a lot of help on that Eagles DL, but still .... not too many guys out there with the overall package that White had.

AnthonyE
08-16-2010, 02:58 PM
Definitely not true. Not even close to being true.

Smith had 44.5
White had 70
Peppers had 40.5
Jared Allen had 43
Freeney had 51
etc. etc.

Mario has 39.5

Buzzkill.

Dutchrudder
08-16-2010, 03:01 PM
I heard this on 610 this morning while 790 was on commercial, and it is a prime reason for not listening to 610. The declaration is just assinine given the wealth of information out there and how easy it is to debunk crap like this. Here's your Snopes-esque debunking of this soon to be 'myth'. Mario comes in a #20:

Sacks is the second/third to last number

Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Sk Tkl Ast
1 Reggie White* 1985 1988 1-4 PHI NFL 57 56 70.0 407
2 Derrick Thomas* 1989 1992 1-4 KAN NFL 63 62 58.0 284
3 DeMarcus Ware 2005 2008 1-11 DAL NFL 64 64 53.5 235 65
4 Dwight Freeney 2002 2005 1-11 CLT NFL 63 50 51.0 135 12
5 Richard Dent 1983 1986 8-203 CHI NFL 63 43 49.0 164
6 Tim Harris 1986 1989 4-84 GNB NFL 60 54 48.0 332
7 Bruce Smith* 1985 1988 1-1 BUF NFL 56 52 44.5 245
8 Simeon Rice 1996 1999 1-3 CRD NFL 64 62 44.0 147 40
9 Andre Tippett* 1982 1985 2-41 NWE NFL 56 46 43.5
10 Jared Allen 2004 2007 4-126 KAN NFL 61 55 43.0 199 29
11 Elvis Dumervil 2006 2009 4-126 DEN NFL 61 45 43.0 106 22
12 Leslie O'Neal 1986 1990 1-8 SDG NFL 54 46 42.5 287
13 Bill Pickel 1983 1986 2-54 RAI NFL 63 35 42.5 269
14 Anthony Smith 1991 1994 1-11 RAI NFL 63 21 42.0 117 13
15 Charles Haley 1986 1989 4-96 SFO NFL 60 33 40.5 210
16 Julius Peppers 2002 2005 1-2 CAR NFL 60 60 40.5 159 38
17 Terrell Suggs 2003 2006 1-10 RAV NFL 64 48 40.0 158 61
18 Jim Jeffcoat 1983 1986 1-23 DAL NFL 64 48 39.5 227
19 Shawne Merriman 2005 2008 1-12 SDG NFL 43 38 39.5 147 43
20 Mario Williams 2006 2009 1-1 HTX NFL 64 64 39.5 160 42

Edit: just click the link for Profootballreference.com. I'm not going to try to fix the stupid formatting in this post.


Sacks by players in their first four seasons (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2009&season_start=1&season_end=4&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=sacks&c1comp=gt&c1val=10&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks)

Double Barrel
08-16-2010, 03:01 PM
39.5 sacks, on this team, with as little help as he's gotten over the years, is pretty damn good. People bash Mario a bit too much. Yes, we'd all like to see him beast like he did on Saturday more frequently, but if you knew drafting the guy that he'd be good for 10 sacks a year and numerous pressures, all while being rock solid against the run, you'd still take him #1.

That said, he'll never be Reggie White. I'm not sure anyone ever will. To be fair, White had a lot of help on that Eagles DL, but still .... not too many guys out there with the overall package that White had.

Interesting to ponder if that line made White better or if White made the line better. :hmmm:

Mario is our boy, but I can't put him in the same conversation as Bruce Smith or Reggie White...not yet, at least, but I do hope it is something that he's worthy of in the near future.

Carr Bombed
08-16-2010, 03:02 PM
Buzzkill.

Not really.....he's still in the ballpark of great players....which is what you want from a #1 ovrl pick.



Alot of people bag on Mario, because he's not HOF caliber yet, instead of just being happy that he's one of the best DEs in the entire league. The guy is a great player, we should just be happy with that.

eriadoc
08-16-2010, 03:04 PM
Interesting to ponder if that line made White better or if White made the line better. :hmmm:

Oh, White made that line better. But it's like Rice joining the 49ers. He came into a nice situation and then made them even better.

JB
08-16-2010, 03:09 PM
I beieve it's the "all-time" statement that is out of whack. Mario is 3rd or 4th active DE in sacks for the first 4 years.

Ole Miss Texan
08-16-2010, 03:13 PM
That may be true, I wouldn't put him in the Reggie White/Bruce Smith talks... yet. But he's been a stud nonetheless.

His numbers over the last 3 seasons (35 sacks) puts him 3rd in the NFL - that's all players. It puts him 2nd among DEs in the NFL.

He's come a long way since his rookie season of 4.5 sacks with plantar fascitis.


If you look at the last 4 years (# of years Mario has been in the league), he ranks 7th in sacks among all players and 5th among DEs. So, although he's been hammered to death for not being a "Sack Artist"... he's freaking Top 5 DE since he joined the league!! WTH do some people want?

nero THE zero
08-16-2010, 03:14 PM
Not really.....he's still in the ballpark of great players....which is what you want from a #1 ovrl pick.



Alot of people bag on Mario, because he's not HOF caliber yet, instead of just being happy that he's one of the best DEs in the entire league. The guy is a great player, we should just be happy with that.

I think his (potential for) greatness is actually something that hurts him. People expect a HOF player in his prime because of the situation he was drafted in and what he's been marketed to be.

It's something similiar to what AJ suffered prior to 2007. His youth and his QB partner really prevented him from getting the glory that he justly deserved (and is getting now).

I think, like 'Dre, Mario's numbers/respect will reflect his talent as he enters his prime and the defense around him plays to his ability.

HOU-TEX
08-16-2010, 03:14 PM
Not really.....he's still in the ballpark of great players....which is what you want from a #1 ovrl pick.



Alot of people bag on Mario, because he's not HOF caliber yet, instead of just being happy that he's one of the best DEs in the entire league. The guy is a great player, we should just be happy with that.

No doubt. I recognize how good he is and how valuable is to us. While I've never been one of those that ragged on him, I do realize how much better he could be.

I'm not going to speculate on what his off-seasons are like, but I'm willing to bet there's likely more he could do to add to his arsenal.

Rey
08-16-2010, 03:19 PM
Definitely not true. Not even close to being true.

Smith had 44.5
White had 70
Peppers had 40.5
Jared Allen had 43
Freeney had 51
etc. etc.

Mario has 39.5

Yeah you're right...I just looked at Freeney and it's not even close...

I wonder why they said that then?

infantrycak
08-16-2010, 03:19 PM
People focus too much on sacks. Freeney was regarded as one of or the best DE's in the league pretty quickly based off sacks but at the same time teams knew they could run at him and game planned to do it (he has improved some the last couple years). Mario is a complete DE and you can see teams don't just consider him as a pass rusher but in running the ball. It's easier to see with him than most DE's since he swaps sides quite a bit - teams run away from him. That affects the game. That let's Pollard or the opposite side LB shade differently. It doesn't show up on a stat sheet but it definitely changes the game.

Rey
08-16-2010, 03:22 PM
I heard this on 610 this morning while 790 was on commercial, and it is a prime reason for not listening to 610. The declaration is just assinine given the wealth of information out there and how easy it is to debunk crap like this. Here's your Snopes-esque debunking of this soon to be 'myth'. Mario comes in a #20:

Sacks is the second/third to last number

Rk Player From To Draft Tm Lg G GS Sk Tkl Ast
1 Reggie White* 1985 1988 1-4 PHI NFL 57 56 70.0 407
2 Derrick Thomas* 1989 1992 1-4 KAN NFL 63 62 58.0 284
3 DeMarcus Ware 2005 2008 1-11 DAL NFL 64 64 53.5 235 65
4 Dwight Freeney 2002 2005 1-11 CLT NFL 63 50 51.0 135 12
5 Richard Dent 1983 1986 8-203 CHI NFL 63 43 49.0 164
6 Tim Harris 1986 1989 4-84 GNB NFL 60 54 48.0 332
7 Bruce Smith* 1985 1988 1-1 BUF NFL 56 52 44.5 245
8 Simeon Rice 1996 1999 1-3 CRD NFL 64 62 44.0 147 40
9 Andre Tippett* 1982 1985 2-41 NWE NFL 56 46 43.5
10 Jared Allen 2004 2007 4-126 KAN NFL 61 55 43.0 199 29
11 Elvis Dumervil 2006 2009 4-126 DEN NFL 61 45 43.0 106 22
12 Leslie O'Neal 1986 1990 1-8 SDG NFL 54 46 42.5 287
13 Bill Pickel 1983 1986 2-54 RAI NFL 63 35 42.5 269
14 Anthony Smith 1991 1994 1-11 RAI NFL 63 21 42.0 117 13
15 Charles Haley 1986 1989 4-96 SFO NFL 60 33 40.5 210
16 Julius Peppers 2002 2005 1-2 CAR NFL 60 60 40.5 159 38
17 Terrell Suggs 2003 2006 1-10 RAV NFL 64 48 40.0 158 61
18 Jim Jeffcoat 1983 1986 1-23 DAL NFL 64 48 39.5 227
19 Shawne Merriman 2005 2008 1-12 SDG NFL 43 38 39.5 147 43
20 Mario Williams 2006 2009 1-1 HTX NFL 64 64 39.5 160 42

Edit: just click the link for Profootballreference.com. I'm not going to try to fix the stupid formatting in this post.


Sacks by players in their first four seasons (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2009&season_start=1&season_end=4&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=sacks&c1comp=gt&c1val=10&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks)


I'm still confused as to why they would get on the radio with faulty info like that...

That said...

I agree with what others have said...Mario is still a beast...Even though he hasn't put up top 3 sack#'s his first four years his play in the run game is what makes him better than DE's like Freeney or Mathis...Of course thats JMO

El Tejano
08-16-2010, 03:23 PM
All I know is that my theory stands true. Talk some public mess about Mario and he will come out with a 2 to 3 sack performance. Richard Justice and Bob Mcnair recently did it and Matt Leinart paid the price. Richard, make yourself useful and type some more crap about Mario.

HoustonFrog
08-16-2010, 03:26 PM
I really don't know what to say to Mario "one of the greatest" talk. It's a joke to me. The guy is very good. In my book he doesn't have the motor that some of the greats have had. That could easily change but people feared Smith, White, Charles Haley, etc, etc. Right now teams stay away from Mario some but I don't see them gameplanning. Just premature in my book. Could get there though.

Rey
08-16-2010, 03:32 PM
I really don't know what to say to Mario "one of the greatest" talk. It's a joke to me. The guy is very good. In my book he doesn't have the motor that some of the greats have had. That could easily change but people feared Smithy, White, Charles Haley, etc, etc. Right now teams stay away from Mario some but I don't see them gameplanning. Just premature in my book.

Of course it's premature, but that wasn't the original point of the thread. It was just about comparing their early years as pro's. But that info has since been debunked.

However...I don't agree with your assessment. Not sure how you would know whether or not a team game planned for Mario...What exactly are you looking for to determine this. You say that they stay away from him some..then you make that statement..Kind of contradicting.

nero THE zero
08-16-2010, 03:37 PM
I really don't know what to say to Mario "one of the greatest" talk. It's a joke to me. The guy is very good. In my book he doesn't have the motor that some of the greats have had. That could easily change but people feared Smith, White, Charles Haley, etc, etc. Right now teams stay away from Mario some but I don't see them gameplanning. Just premature in my book. Could get there though.

Other teams' coaches constantly speak of the elite level of talent of our defensive line. LZ spoke of his dad's reverence for the talent, Parcells did it, Dungy did it, "scouts" and "pro-player personnel" have been quoted saying it.

Mario's the embodiment of that. Elite talent, but it doesn't always show up (that goes for sacks and run defense, though his run defense is more consistent, I think.)

I agree on the comps though. His comp isn't Reggie White or Bruce Smith. His comp is Julius Peppers. I think he can be better than Peppers, but I don't think he will be by much. He looks like he'll follow the same kind of up and down pattern.

Dutchrudder
08-16-2010, 03:45 PM
I beieve it's the "all-time" statement that is out of whack. Mario is 3rd or 4th active DE in sacks for the first 4 years.

I see several on that list that are still active, and having listened to the segment they definitely were not defining it as active players. Reggie White and Bruce Smith were mentioned several times.

A couple players on the list are LBs, but still any way you spin it, it's still not correct. The point they should be making is how good of a 4-3 DE he is, rather than trying to put his name in the bowl with the greatest of all time.

Rey
08-16-2010, 03:50 PM
I see several on that list that are still active, and having listened to the segment they definitely were not defining it as active players. Reggie White and Bruce Smith were mentioned several times.

A couple players on the list are LBs, but still any way you spin it, it's still not correct. The point they should be making is how good of a 4-3 DE he is, rather than trying to put his name in the bowl with the greatest of all time.

This.

They definitely said all time.

JB
08-16-2010, 03:50 PM
I see several on that list that are still active, and having listened to the segment they definitely were not defining it as active players. Reggie White and Bruce Smith were mentioned several times.

A couple players on the list are LBs, but still any way you spin it, it's still not correct. The point they should be making is how good of a 4-3 DE he is, rather than trying to put his name in the bowl with the greatest of all time.

I agree with this. 610 is just a junk station now, imo.

HoustonFrog
08-16-2010, 03:52 PM
Other teams' coaches constantly speak of the elite level of talent of our defensive line. LZ spoke of his dad's reverence for the talent, Parcells did it, Dungy did it, "scouts" and "pro-player personnel" have been quoted saying it.

Mario's the embodiment of that. Elite talent, but it doesn't always show up (that goes for sacks and run defense, though his run defense is more consistent, I think.)

I agree on the comps though. His comp isn't Reggie White or Bruce Smith. His comp is Julius Peppers. I think he can be better than Peppers, but I don't think he will be by much. He looks like he'll follow the same kind of up and down pattern.

Really...other teams constantly talk about Antonio Smith and Amobi?I'm being serious. The D-line has been a weakness for years, thus the constant drafting of DTs..so when were they talking about them? I'm not bagging Mario. The guy has elite skills. He has talent. I just don't think he has hit a stage where he scares people yet. I think his motor is still a question this many years in. I don't ever remember thinking that for Peppers, etc.

Again, I'm just bringing my own reality to this from what I've seen.

Of course it's premature, but that wasn't the original point of the thread. It was just about comparing their early years as pro's. But that info has since been debunked.

However...I don't agree with your assessment. Not sure how you would know whether or not a team game planned for Mario...What exactly are you looking for to determine this. You say that they stay away from him some..then you make that statement..Kind of contradicting.

It's not contradicting. The other side of the line is weaker than Mario. So of course they may try and exploit running over there. But I don't think they are afraid to run over at Mario. They have done it before. Heck they like to run at the tackles. The guy can definitely be elite and has those skills. I want to see some consistent seasons is all.

Ole Miss Texan
08-16-2010, 03:54 PM
The guy is very good. In my book he doesn't have the motor that some of the greats have had.
Could you just imagine if Mario had Cushing's drive!? That is just scary to think about.

Mr teX
08-16-2010, 03:54 PM
I really don't know what to say to Mario "one of the greatest" talk. It's a joke to me. The guy is very good. In my book he doesn't have the motor that some of the greats have had. That could easily change but people feared Smith, White, Charles Haley, etc, etc. Right now teams stay away from Mario some but I don't see them gameplanning. Just premature in my book. Could get there though.

Outright avoidance & routine double-teaming & chipping is what the guy sees down in & out...i'd say that's game planning.

There was a play last year in the 1st titans game where mario's side had been cleared out & it appeared chris johnson was going to be able to turn the corner but mario ran him down & was able to turn him back inside & make the tackle. You don't see freeney doing that stuff..Mario's certainly not worthy of being mentioned with the Smith & White but i think he'll be consistent enough to be regarded at least top 5 when it's all said & done for him..the key for him is for the team to start winning so he can get some shine.

Texan_Bill
08-16-2010, 03:56 PM
Definitely not true. Not even close to being true.

Smith had 44.5
White had 70
Peppers had 40.5
Jared Allen had 43
Freeney had 51
etc. etc.

Mario has 39.5

Elvis Dumervil - 43

THE NFL
08-16-2010, 03:56 PM
I heard Mark Van De meer trying to sell that junk this morning and I just laughed before I even got to work to look it up. I stopped when I found 10 players who had more sacks in their 1st 4 years. Someone gave him that stat and he just ran with it. He is a schill.

nero THE zero
08-16-2010, 04:06 PM
Really...other teams cosntantly talk about Antonio Smith and Amobi?I'm being serious.
So am I.

I'm not even saying I buy into, but it's been said enough to make me raise my eyebrows and make note of it. I've even posted about it a few times after it's been said.

Dutchrudder
08-16-2010, 04:09 PM
Could you just imagine if Mario had Cushing's drive!? That is just scary to think about.

I don't understand this intensity thing stemming from McNair's comments. Does Andre Johnson have Cushing's drive? Are Pollard and Ryans the only other people on the team with Cushing's drive and intensity? I just don't see the tie-in with being fired up constantly, working out constantly and the production. I hardly believe that Cushing's talent is mostly derived from his 'drive'. I'm sure it helps, but I doubt it's the main factor in his production.

Grforces
08-16-2010, 04:09 PM
Im in the camp that thinks Mario is great, but dosen't have any help. I have heard that when he came in, he was causing O-Lines so much trouble that the cordinator had to come up with special schemes to stop him. (Someone please confirm that for me) If he had some help, where the other teams had to keep multiple people back to block, I.E. Tight ends and the backs, He would shine.
I think alot of people give him alot of critisim that he dosen't deserve. Too bad The bills end retired, that would of been so much fun to watch him, mario, smith and mitchell wreck havoc.
Barwin got me really excited last year. I hope he continues to progress and we see a 7 sack season or better from him.

Goatcheese
08-16-2010, 04:38 PM
Something to remember about some of the all time great sack artists is that they played in an era where the DB could actually cover the WR and not just follow them around hoping to make something happen at the end of a play. That meant QBs were holding the ball longer which meant the DE had longer to get the sack. Imagine what Mario could have done with an extra half second per play over the last four years. :gamer:

eriadoc
08-16-2010, 04:58 PM
Something to remember about some of the all time great sack artists is that they played in an era where the DB could actually cover the WR and not just follow them around hoping to make something happen at the end of a play. That meant QBs were holding the ball longer which meant the DE had longer to get the sack. Imagine what Mario could have done with an extra half second per play over the last four years. :gamer:

That's a great point. Just look at what types of numbers were being put up in the passing game during the '80s and even early '90s. The game has changed a lot in favor of the offensive passing game.

C Madd
08-16-2010, 06:47 PM
Definitely not true. Not even close to being true.

Smith had 44.5
White had 70
Peppers had 40.5
Jared Allen had 43
Freeney had 51
etc. etc.

Mario has 39.5

Wow, Reggie was a monster.

Texanmike02
08-16-2010, 07:30 PM
Could you just imagine if Mario had Cushing's drive!? That is just scary to think about.

You know, I just don't know about this statement. It might appear to us that he lacks "drive" on some plays but I wonder how the defenses that are called plays into that. Look at the 3-4 DEs that they call "high energy guys". Most of them are sack specialists. If you're given contain, or you are responsible for some kind of read before you just bull rush the passer, it might appear to the average fan that you are being lazy... but what are you supposed to do, stay in the same area with more energy? I mean sure, there are pays that it "looks" like he takes off in the passing game but how many times has someone accused him of being lazy in the running game?

It would have to mean that he is taking plays off on passing downs and not on rushing downs. I'm sure it happens occasionally for everybody, its impossible to go 110% every play of every game for a 16+ game season, but to assume that it happens more with him than anyone else might be because we don't know much about the defense called.

I'm just saying.

Mike

JB
08-16-2010, 07:34 PM
You know, I just don't know about this statement. It might appear to us that he lacks "drive" on some plays but I wonder how the defenses that are called plays into that. Look at the 3-4 DEs that they call "high energy guys". Most of them are sack specialists. If you're given contain, or you are responsible for some kind of read before you just bull rush the passer, it might appear to the average fan that you are being lazy... but what are you supposed to do, stay in the same area with more energy? I mean sure, there are pays that it "looks" like he takes off in the passing game but how many times has someone accused him of being lazy in the running game?

It would have to mean that he is taking plays off on passing downs and not on rushing downs. I'm sure it happens occasionally for everybody, its impossible to go 110% every play of every game for a 16+ game season, but to assume that it happens more with him than anyone else might be because we don't know much about the defense called.

I'm just saying.

Mike



Very good points Mike! We don't know what he is being asked to do on a snap by snap basis. His job may not always be to rush haphazardly every down.

awtysst
08-16-2010, 07:37 PM
Interesting to ponder if that line made White better or if White made the line better. :hmmm:

Mario is our boy, but I can't put him in the same conversation as Bruce Smith or Reggie White...not yet, at least, but I do hope it is something that he's worthy of in the near future.

If he ends up as even HALF the player of a Bruce Smith or a Reggie White I will be thrilled.

Thorn
08-16-2010, 07:37 PM
I'd like to see a list of defensive ends that yall (Mario's detracters, that is) would rather have on our team than Mario. I'm certain the list will be short.

Texanmike02
08-16-2010, 08:17 PM
Very good points Mike! We don't know what he is being asked to do on a snap by snap basis. His job may not always be to rush haphazardly every down.

While Houston didn't have a team, I was a Colts fan. (Starting at the end of their 3-13 season.) I kept up with them the first few years we had the Texans because I had become a fan of a lot of their players and I had Sunday Ticket so i saw almost all of their games. Whether it was Freeny, Mathis or Brock, they were always running themselves out of plays. It was a constant frustration. Sure Freeny totaled a lot of sacks, and he was intimidating to QB's, it was like RB's were dying to run to his side.

I don't know. The guy puts up near superstar numbers... AND does the dirty work. How many guys in the league do that? The hustle of Thorpe combined with the skills of Olajuwon? Or maybe he's a young Craig Biggio?

Mike

Ole Miss Texan
08-16-2010, 10:01 PM
Well, I see two have voiced issues with my Mario/Cushing post. I don't think Mario takes plays off and I don't have any issues with the way he plays the game.... my only thought was that Cushing is a beast. There's not many players in the league like him. I just have a feeling if Mario had Cushing's head, he'd be a monster. The 24/7 football mind, weight lifting, training, MMA training, going beast mode and wanting to hurt people on every play with every hit. Make them regret waking up that morning and putting their pads on. That's Cushing.

The only and I repeat ONLY issue I've had with Mario since he's been a Texan can be related to his obsession with cars. There was a period his first couple years (and he's admitted this) that this was a problem for him. Cushing has been nothing but business since the minute he heard his name called at the Draft - ready to work.

Give me a guy with Cushing's drive at every position and I'll give you a perennial super bowl winner!

NitroGSXR
08-16-2010, 10:19 PM
Well, I see two have voiced issues with my Mario/Cushing post. I don't think Mario takes plays off and I don't have any issues with the way he plays the game.... my only thought was that Cushing is a beast. There's not many players in the league like him. I just have a feeling if Mario had Cushing's head, he'd be a monster. The 24/7 football mind, weight lifting, training, MMA training, going beast mode and wanting to hurt people on every play with every hit. Make them regret waking up that morning and putting their pads on. That's Cushing.

The only and I repeat ONLY issue I've had with Mario since he's been a Texan can be related to his obsession with cars. There was a period his first couple years (and he's admitted this) that this was a problem for him. Cushing has been nothing but business since the minute he heard his name called at the Draft - ready to work.

Give me a guy with Cushing's drive at every position and I'll give you a perennial super bowl winner!
But then the SB might be nullified for violating the drug policy.

Overtraining. LMAO.

silvrhand
08-16-2010, 11:51 PM
But then the SB might be nullified for violating the drug policy.

Overtraining. LMAO.

That's just funny right there if you don't think that's funny something is wrong with you..

I'm sorry Mario is a above average DE, is he a top 5 of all time DE.. hardly.

thunderkyss
08-17-2010, 07:29 AM
I can understand people wanting Mario to get more "limelight" being he was the #1 overall. I think that will come with time, as this team starts winning, and we really begin to "dominate" other teams, as a team. That still hasn't happened yet.

From what I remember, Mario still hasn't got a coverage sack, we still do not blitz as much as other teams, and the man is always injured.

I'm not making excuses for him, because there are times when he's just not abusing TEs & RBs like he should be.

But he may never get the attention we want him to get, because he may never produce the way we want him to produce. Personally I think the only thing that will stop him, is the nagging injuries. If it's not one thing, it's something else. All the other greats, the guys on that list, played well in spite of those nagging injuries, which is the next step Mario needs to take.

& if we're racking up wins, and Cushing & Antonio are making plays on the other side, maybe that will help him get there.


We'll see.