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badboy
08-12-2010, 02:30 PM
I am predicting Texans are 11-5 and picking at #25.

QB: what is there for us to look at that is more than a project? Locker, Luck, Ponder and Devlin will probably all be gone by our 2nd. For now, I think Mallett does not come out. As stated before I will be watching Enderle but he is coming off a shoulder injury and has an avg arm anyway. I'm becoming more concerned with Orlovsky daily.

Center: see the need but just can not see Kubes giving up on Myers without a super stud rookie center ready to step in. I think Pouncey is gone by our 1st and O'Dowd is my leading candidate if he plays healthy and well this season and he should be there in first. Wisnewski interests me but the knee is ? for me. Anything else is a reach imo. So.. O'Dowd in first?

FS: I just see nothing that assures me Barber or Nolan will be our future. Wilson is steady, when he is on the field. I want a draft pick that will start no later than 2011. If this guy is there in 1st, I think I'd be all over him.
Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2011): Top 25 Pick.
5/14/10: Deunta Williams was an All-ACC First Team member, thanks to 47 tackles, eight pass break-ups and six interceptions.

Having said that, if I could get Pouncey or O'Dowd in first and Gideon in second I'd be happy.
Blake Gideon*, FS, Texas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2011): 2.
5/14/10: Blake Gideon had 49 tackles and six interceptions to go along with his three pass break-ups in 2009.

OK here we go:

1st: Chris O'Dowd Center
2nd: Blake Gideon FS
3rd: Nathan Enderle QB
4th: Chykie Brown CB
5th:Chris Prosinski SS/FS
6th: Zach Heberer OG
7th: Ben Jacobs ILB

For those of you that think this is way too early, simply back out of thread and stroll on along. It ain't for you.

JB
08-12-2010, 02:40 PM
I thought Gideon played SS?

steelbtexan
08-12-2010, 02:58 PM
I thought Gideon played SS?

He did, I want to see how the season plays out. But fixing the interior OL is job no.1 IMHO

With that said my mock would be

Rd.1 Wiesnewski
Rd.2 O'Dowd (Falls because of injury concerns)
Rd.2 Ras-I- Dqwling (after trading up)

badboy
08-12-2010, 03:08 PM
I thought Gideon played SS?Remember a guy named Earl Thomas?

JB
08-12-2010, 03:16 PM
Remember a guy named Earl Thomas?

Yeah, thats why I thought Gideon was the SS. Do you think they will move him now?

bah007
08-12-2010, 03:32 PM
Gideon was more of a SS last year but was given typical FS responsibilites quite often. Because Texas is so good against the run with their front seven, both safeties can play quite deep against the pass.

This year he will be almost exclusively a FS. Christian Scott will be taking over Gideon's old position and Gideon will be moving into Earl Thomas' position (although he will not be used as a nickel corner as Thomas was).

As a college player Gideon is good. He is smart, understands his physical limitations, and plays to his strengths.

As a NFL prospect, I don't see him making the leap. And I certainly wouldn't use a second rounder on him. He cannot play SS in the NFL. He doesn't tackle well enough. And he doesn't project well to FS athletically. He did manage 6 interceptions this past season, but that was mainly due to Texas having the best pass rush in the nation.

He can make a NFL roster as a special teams guy and FS depth. But I don't see him as a starter. He just doesn't have the athletic skills to cover NFL WRs.

JB
08-12-2010, 03:34 PM
Thanks for the info. That is what I was looking for.

bah007
08-12-2010, 03:35 PM
I'm also not high on Chykie Brown unless he becomes more consistent in his senior year. He is a guy that will look like Champ Bailey on one series and then Phillip Buchanan on the next two.

His technique and awareness are severly lacking, which causes him to make mistakes often. But he is an incredible athlete, which usually allows him to recover.

Will he be able to recover when he is chasing down a NFL WR? I don't know.

But a fourth rounder is not a bad place to try on a guy like him. If he figures it out he is a steal there.

HouSportsWriter
08-12-2010, 03:36 PM
nice draft


heres a quick one i made






First pick..

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Height: 6-4. Weight: 288.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.

Okoya is young, but he just should not have been drafted by us.i see us geting allen bailet de / dt

2nd pick

Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
Height: 6-1. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.

I love to see Carter and Polard on the same team


3rd pick

Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 187.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39

We need all the corners that we can get with Peyton in our league!

4th pick

Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54

i see Tate and Helu and Foster starting i hope slaton turns around ,,,

5th pick

Jake Kirkpatrick, C/G, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.

I know it kinda late to be drafting a center but this is a big kid so i would give him a shot


6th pick

Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.

if rackers can rack on some points this is no need but if not i see a kicker in the draft
7th pick

Brian Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

back up

bah007
08-12-2010, 03:37 PM
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.

JB
08-12-2010, 03:39 PM
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.

Williams is probably the #2 CB right now on most boards, if he comes out. I'm pretty sure he will.

bah007
08-12-2010, 03:40 PM
Williams is probably the #2 CB right now on most boards, if he comes out. I'm pretty sure he will.

I think so as well. Peterson from LSU is the only CB that should get drafted before him.

rmartin65
08-12-2010, 04:00 PM
I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, Nebraska

badboy
08-12-2010, 04:04 PM
He did, I want to see how the season plays out. But fixing the interior OL is job no.1 IMHO

With that said my mock would be

Rd.1 Wiesnewski
Rd.2 O'Dowd (Falls because of injury concerns)
Rd.2 Ras-I- Dqwling (after trading up)Interesting that you would use a first and second on two centers or would you use Wies as a guard?

badboy
08-12-2010, 04:11 PM
I'm also not high on Chykie Brown unless he becomes more consistent in his senior year. He is a guy that will look like Champ Bailey on one series and then Phillip Buchanan on the next two.

His technique and awareness are severly lacking, which causes him to make mistakes often. But he is an incredible athlete, which usually allows him to recover.

Will he be able to recover when he is chasing down a NFL WR? I don't know.

But a fourth rounder is not a bad place to try on a guy like him. If he figures it out he is a steal there.I agree with your assessment of both UT guys and you can bet I will be watching both this season. Brown has the tools and the speed and hopefully another year in college and the good Texans coaching and he will be there. I think we will be deep at CB and especially if Moldin and Sherrick McManus step up. I am looking for an eventual replacement for Reeves.

I am hoping Gideon will surprise you and others but I could easily be wrong on him. I just don't see many other options for this position.

badboy
08-12-2010, 04:13 PM
nice draft


heres a quick one i made






First pick..

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Height: 6-4. Weight: 288.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.

Okoya is young, but he just should not have been drafted by us.i see us geting allen bailet de / dt

2nd pick

Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
Height: 6-1. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.

I love to see Carter and Polard on the same team


3rd pick

Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 187.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39

We need all the corners that we can get with Peyton in our league!

4th pick

Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54

i see Tate and Helu and Foster starting i hope slaton turns around ,,,

5th pick

Jake Kirkpatrick, C/G, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.

I know it kinda late to be drafting a center but this is a big kid so i would give him a shot


6th pick

Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.

if rackers can rack on some points this is no need but if not i see a kicker in the draft
7th pick

Brian Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

back upSIAB, I am watching your TCU center also. Good eye on your part.

badboy
08-12-2010, 04:14 PM
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.Nope, do not need a CB that high. Got to fix other areas first.:tiphat:

badboy
08-12-2010, 04:20 PM
I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, NebraskaInteresting on Moffitt. I considered him but 6'5" 320 gave me pause. 5.13 40 but what about his movement? Seems to have a solid base. Can he get into secondary in our ZBS? Yep on Williams if he is still on board in first as I mentioned. Like your mock. I am sure we will adjust many times if last time is any indication.

bah007
08-12-2010, 04:33 PM
I agree with your assessment of both UT guys and you can bet I will be watching both this season. Brown has the tools and the speed and hopefully another year in college and the good Texans coaching and he will be there. I think we will be deep at CB and especially if Moldin and Sherrick McManus step up. I am looking for an eventual replacement for Reeves.

I am hoping Gideon will surprise you and others but I could easily be wrong on him. I just don't see many other options for this position.

Personally, I don't think the Molden project is gonna work out. Nothing against the guy but I just don't see him being a long term fix at CB. I like McMannis. I'm optimistic about that.

I don't think Reeves is here long term. Bennett looks lost. So all we really have is Jackson, Quin, and McMannis.

I hope Gideon surprises me too. As a Longhorn fan, the better he plays the happier I'll be. I just don't see him as a NFL FS. And I don't think we should force it just because FS is not a great situation for us right now. I don't see Gideon as an upgrade over what we have.

bah007
08-12-2010, 04:37 PM
Nope, do not need a CB that high. Got to fix other areas first.:tiphat:

I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.

steelbtexan
08-12-2010, 07:30 PM
Interesting that you would use a first and second on two centers or would you use Wies as a guard?

Wies would be a OG. He's a player like his uncle Steve. This draft would solidify the OL for 8-10 yrs.

Dont you think it's about time that the OL was a strength of the team?

Instead of the weakness it has been since the teams inception.

An OL of

D.Brown, Wiesnewski, O'Dowd, Caldwell, Winston for the next 10 yrs really appeals to me. How about you?

steelbtexan
08-12-2010, 07:33 PM
I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.

Agreed

I dont care how deep you are at CB. You dont pass on a talent like Williams. IMHO

rmartin65
08-12-2010, 08:53 PM
Interesting on Moffitt. I considered him but 6'5" 320 gave me pause. 5.13 40 but what about his movement? Seems to have a solid base. Can he get into secondary in our ZBS? Yep on Williams if he is still on board in first as I mentioned. Like your mock. I am sure we will adjust many times if last time is any indication.

I love Moffitt as a prospect. A little tall to be an interior lineman, but he is strong, athletic and nasty. I like his ability, and we would be lucky to get him in the second.

Ha ha, like I said in the other thread, I would be very surprised if the draft shakes down like this. That is why it is so great, it is an ever shifting world.

beerlover
08-13-2010, 12:17 PM
I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.

I've been pushing Quinn to FS but was Texans best physical CB last year, that changed with selection of Kareem, now if they added an upgrade coverage corner to compliment Jackson that could push McCain & the Texans would be loaded @ CB hence more willing to move Quinn to his natural position. I like it, but then again picking #25 Williams is off the board so realisticly back to badboys mock. :shades:

badboy
08-16-2010, 12:29 PM
1st pre-season behind us and look pretty good. If Nolan continues to progress, we might be able to remove FS from a high round pick. I was pleasantly surprised by Troy's play. He and Wilson brought the hammer. I never saw Barber, did he play if so give me your thoughts on his play. Wow, we do need a back up QB. I may have to change my mock to move QB up higher.

beerlover
08-16-2010, 12:37 PM
1st pre-season behind us and look pretty good. If Nolan continues to progress, we might be able to remove FS from a high round pick. I was pleasantly surprised by Troy's play. He and Wilson brought the hammer. I never saw Barber, did he play if so give me your thoughts on his play. Wow, we do need a back up QB. I may have to change my mock to move QB up higher.

impressed with Nolan play, guy is a ballhawk which is what we need @ FS

rmartin65
08-16-2010, 12:44 PM
While I think that it is too early to call someone a future starter, I do think that Nolan looks good. I may have to eat some crow on that one.

Texecutioner
08-16-2010, 01:02 PM
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.

badboy
08-16-2010, 01:51 PM
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.The negative you are mentioning can be corrected with good coaching and 8 INTS can not be overlooked. He may or may not step up this year. You should hope Scott can overcome his eligibility issues and get on the field.

bah007
08-16-2010, 02:33 PM
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.

Texas recently had their final live scrimmage of the summer/fall. Next time they go live in full pads will be in the season opener.

Whenever the defense went into man coverage Gideon was put over the slot receiver. Chiles abused him over and over and over again.

TexansSeminole
08-16-2010, 11:16 PM
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.

I've also seen him give up alot of plays in the past couple of years. I never really thought much of him as a prospect, just a guy that makes occasional plays on a good college football team.

Piggy backing off of what bah was saying about Chiles abusing Gideon, FS's in the NFL have to be able to play man coverage against a slot receiver or they won't last if they get there at all.

badboy
08-17-2010, 11:48 AM
I've also seen him give up alot of plays in the past couple of years. I never really thought much of him as a prospect, just a guy that makes occasional plays on a good college football team.

Piggy backing off of what bah was saying about Chiles abusing Gideon, FS's in the NFL have to be able to play man coverage against a slot receiver or they won't last if they get there at all.In our defense, a CB would cover that slot WR allowing FS to well be free...

rmartin65
08-17-2010, 12:02 PM
I dont know badboy, having a FS that can cover the slot or someone out of the backfield is as close to a must in this day and age as any other position. A guy that I have been looking at for 2nd-4th rounds is Temple's Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Not exactly a ball hawk, but makes plays on the ball. A solid tackler, good hip movement and speed, he should be a starter in this league relatively soon. I dont think he has star potential, but I would feel confident with him at FS.

That said, the FS conversation may become moot. I know it was only 1 pre season game, but Nolan looked pretty good.

badboy
08-17-2010, 12:22 PM
I dont know badboy, having a FS that can cover the slot or someone out of the backfield is as close to a must in this day and age as any other position. A guy that I have been looking at for 2nd-4th rounds is Temple's Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Not exactly a ball hawk, but makes plays on the ball. A solid tackler, good hip movement and speed, he should be a starter in this league relatively soon. I dont think he has star potential, but I would feel confident with him at FS.

That said, the FS conversation may become moot. I know it was only 1 pre season game, but Nolan looked pretty good.I'm probably only one that has my philosophy with our defense today. Yes a FS should be able to cover slot. However, with exception maybe of Quin, our corners are bangers and not cover guys. Until proven different(maybe Jackson will be better at this than I think), I want our FS to play back and go deep with WR that I think will jet by our CB. Our other corners should play slot in most situations. I don't want TDs deep over our CBs. Ideally, Jackson or Quin will have backup over the top from our FS. Anyway, both Wilson and Nolan looked awesome so as 65 says may be moot.

TexansSeminole
08-18-2010, 02:52 AM
I dont know badboy, having a FS that can cover the slot or someone out of the backfield is as close to a must in this day and age as any other position. A guy that I have been looking at for 2nd-4th rounds is Temple's Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Not exactly a ball hawk, but makes plays on the ball. A solid tackler, good hip movement and speed, he should be a starter in this league relatively soon. I dont think he has star potential, but I would feel confident with him at FS.

That said, the FS conversation may become moot. I know it was only 1 pre season game, but Nolan looked pretty good.

Regardless of if Nolan emerges as a starter or not the depth at that position is still very weak. Wilson is good for now, but we shouldn't count on him lasting past 1-4 more years. If he lasted even 4 years as a starter I would be very surprised.

I obviously do agree with you that having a FS that can play a slot receiver man up is essential in today's NFL. You can open up so many coverages and blitzes when your FS can do those sorts of things. Look at the Ravens, they've been able to do alot of exotic things over the years because of Ed Reed, and recently Dewan Landry's versatility. Same can be said about Pittsburgh and even Arizona and New Orleans in recent years .

rmartin65
08-18-2010, 08:15 AM
Regardless of if Nolan emerges as a starter or not the depth at that position is still very weak. Wilson is good for now, but we shouldn't count on him lasting past 1-4 more years. If he lasted even 4 years as a starter I would be very surprised.



Dont get me wrong, even if Nolan pans out I want a FS in the mid to late rounds. But if Nolan pans out, I think Center clearly becomes a more important hole to fill.

That said, I have been down on Nolan before the season and dont think that he will turn out to be the answer. I was just acknowledging that he had a good preseason game.

badboy
08-18-2010, 10:20 AM
Regardless of if Nolan emerges as a starter or not the depth at that position is still very weak. Wilson is good for now, but we shouldn't count on him lasting past 1-4 more years. If he lasted even 4 years as a starter I would be very surprised.

I obviously do agree with you that having a FS that can play a slot receiver man up is essential in today's NFL. You can open up so many coverages and blitzes when your FS can do those sorts of things. Look at the Ravens, they've been able to do alot of exotic things over the years because of Ed Reed, and recently Dewan Landry's versatility. Same can be said about Pittsburgh and even Arizona and New Orleans in recent years .I can see having Wilson FS starter this season and then switching with Nolan. Wilson is 30 and could play back up for a year or two if Nolan can start.

Torri William 6'2" 209 might develop eventually but I don't know much about him. Purdue college. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2820329
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/47962.html
http://rivals.yahoo.com/purdue/football/recruiting/player-Torri-Williams-23593

He seems more of SS to me.

badboy
08-18-2010, 10:21 AM
Dont get me wrong, even if Nolan pans out I want a FS in the mid to late rounds. But if Nolan pans out, I think Center clearly becomes a more important hole to fill.

That said, I have been down on Nolan before the season and dont think that he will turn out to be the answer. I was just acknowledging that he had a good preseason game.Scenario pans out that Nolan and Wilson can resolve FS. Give the three top picks by position.

JB
08-18-2010, 10:28 AM
Scenario pans out that Nolan and Wilson can resolve FS. Give the three top picks by position.

1. TE/OG
2. TE/DE
3. TE/OT





:jk:

badboy
08-18-2010, 11:11 AM
1. TE/OG
2. TE/DE
3. TE/OT





:jk:That's Not funny! :foottap: Yes it is.:truck:

JB
08-18-2010, 11:20 AM
That's Not funny! :foottap: Yes it is.:truck:

I really think that unless we sustain more serious injury's, that next year will be the first time we can truly draft BPA. Our depth is starting to look good.

badboy
08-18-2010, 12:14 PM
I really think that unless we sustain more serious injury's, that next year will be the first time we can truly draft BPA. Our depth is starting to look good.Agreed although I am concerned that QB may require a high selection unless another Schaub becomes available. Next draft will really takes some work to pull out the gems.

JB
08-18-2010, 12:19 PM
Agreed although I am concerned that QB may require a high selection unless another Schaub becomes available. Next draft will really takes some work to pull out the gems.

If we are picking in the mid twenties, and someone like Mallett fell to us, I would not be adverse to taking him if he was the BPA.

rmartin65
08-18-2010, 12:53 PM
Scenario pans out that Nolan and Wilson can resolve FS. Give the three top picks by position.

1) Center
2) Backup QB
3) OT

Its actually pretty hard after FS, Center, and backup QB. The Texans have good, young starters across the board, should players pan out as expected. Realistically, the next draft becomes about depth and filling injury holes and free agent defections.

beerlover
08-18-2010, 12:55 PM
If we are picking in the mid twenties, and someone like Mallett fell to us, I would not be adverse to taking him if he was the BPA.

depends where he's projected by NFL draft commettie? if he is projected in the late 20's hell yeah. his people however should advise him to stay in school & become a top 10 pick his senior season.

I could see the Texans using a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. some may thing I like to bash Aggies :dangit: (I'm sure there are good ones, somewhere) but you got Kubiak (aggie) & Sherman (aggie) connection it would not surprise me one bit if the Texans took a long look @ A&M QB Jarrod Johnson http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13771091/texas-ams-johnson-still-growing-into-nflcaliber-qb

badboy
08-18-2010, 01:59 PM
If we are picking in the mid twenties, and someone like Mallett fell to us, I would not be adverse to taking him if he was the BPA.If Mallett is there we grab him imo. I've been in Orslovky's corner but he really needs to step up this year. Mallett could be a franchise Qb and stats are great. 6'7 238 he could take a few hits.

badboy
08-18-2010, 02:04 PM
depends where he's projected by NFL draft commettie? if he is projected in the late 20's hell yeah. his people however should advise him to stay in school & become a top 10 pick his senior season.

I could see the Texans using a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. some may thing I like to bash Aggies :dangit: (I'm sure there are good ones, somewhere) but you got Kubiak (aggie) & Sherman (aggie) connection it would not surprise me one bit if the Texans took a long look @ A&M QB Jarrod Johnson http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13771091/texas-ams-johnson-still-growing-into-nflcaliber-qbI understand your thinking on Mallett returning to school but remember we should see a tremendous reduction in rookie salaries and more importantly guaranteed money under new CBA. I believe I'd advise him to come out and start getting NFL coaching. Especially with Houston; closed stadium, Kubiac training with Schaub as a mentor. He is 22 and could absorb a pretty decent contract while playing behind Matt for four years.

bah007
08-18-2010, 02:27 PM
I understand your thinking on Mallett returning to school but remember we should see a tremendous reduction in rookie salaries and more importantly guaranteed money under new CBA. I believe I'd advise him to come out and start getting NFL coaching. Especially with Houston; closed stadium, Kubiac training with Schaub as a mentor. He is 22 and could absorb a pretty decent contract while playing behind Matt for four years.

As far as money goes, it would be better for him to go back and be a top ten pick than to leave early and go in the twenties.

Plus, Petrino is no slouch when it comes to QBs. I'm not saying he is better than a NFL coaching staff. But Mallett would definitely raise his value in the draft.

JB
08-18-2010, 02:36 PM
Just for the record, I was just using Mallett as an example because he was the first name to come to mind. The point I was making is that if a QB that was highly rated fell to us, I would not be adverse to us selecting one in the first round. I just think that we will be in a position to take the true BPA, not just the best at a position of need.

beerlover
08-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Just for the record, I was just using Mallett as an example because he was the first name to come to mind. The point I was making is that if a QB that was highly rated fell to us, I would not be adverse to us selecting one in the first round. I just think that we will be in a position to take the true BPA, not just the best at a position of need.

see 08 Flacco vs Brown

JB
08-18-2010, 03:15 PM
see 08 Flacco vs Brown

Yep! Or this year. Williams vs Jackson

badboy
08-18-2010, 04:07 PM
Just for the record, I was just using Mallett as an example because he was the first name to come to mind. The point I was making is that if a QB that was highly rated fell to us, I would not be adverse to us selecting one in the first round. I just think that we will be in a position to take the true BPA, not just the best at a position of need.But it was a great example! Mallett is predicted to be a top 15 and could fall depending on QBs that could be selected such as Devlin.

badboy
08-18-2010, 04:08 PM
see 08 Flacco vs BrownFlacco vs Brown, SLaton and Dominque Barber.:doot:

Wolf6151
08-18-2010, 06:36 PM
1) Center
2) Backup QB
3) OT

Its actually pretty hard after FS, Center, and backup QB. The Texans have good, young starters across the board, should players pan out as expected. Realistically, the next draft becomes about depth and filling injury holes and free agent defections.


Other possible positions of need are DT especially since this should be a bubble year for Okoye. It's time for him to step up instead of continuing to learn and mature. CB, even if Jackson turns out to be great we could still use some upgrades and you can never have to many good CB's. OG, I can't believe that Studdard is the LG of the future for this team, his position needs to be upgraded.

badboy
08-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Other possible positions of need are DT especially since this should be a bubble year for Okoye. It's time for him to step up instead of continuing to learn and mature. CB, even if Jackson turns out to be great we could still use some upgrades and you can never have to many good CB's. OG, I can't believe that Studdard is the LG of the future for this team, his position needs to be upgraded.I like corners also and as noted in thread select one in 4th where we have had some luck. OG,don't count out Briesel yet. I'm hoping Smith will replace Studdard although I hear heas not made much of a push. ALso, Shelley Smith our 6th from CSU is getting accolades from Kubiak. Although you and others are down on Okoye, he seems to be thought well of as he helped shut down the run which before last season was deemed high priority. If he can keep his strength and get quicker with his recent loss in weight, we might not go DT.

awtysst
08-19-2010, 03:52 PM
While I think that it is too early to call someone a future starter, I do think that Nolan looks good. I may have to eat some crow on that one.

I know its early, but there is still plenty of room on the Troy Nolan Bandwagon. I have been driving that truck pretty hard for a while now and was estatic we got him where we did.

awtysst
08-19-2010, 03:53 PM
Just for the record, I was just using Mallett as an example because he was the first name to come to mind. The point I was making is that if a QB that was highly rated fell to us, I would not be adverse to us selecting one in the first round. I just think that we will be in a position to take the true BPA, not just the best at a position of need.

I would love if we were in that position. We could trade down, pick up some extra picks and still geta great prospect!

badboy
08-19-2010, 03:59 PM
I would love if we were in that position. We could trade down, pick up some extra picks and still geta great prospect!I think it would be hard for me to trade down if Mallett was there late first. I am going to watch Endarle, but Mallett is thought to be a possible franchise type QB. I was like 65 on Nolan and did not think much of him but really hope he comes on. I am hoping same for McManus and Shelley Smith.

76Texan
08-19-2010, 06:20 PM
From my corner, Chris O'Dowd is slower and weaker than Myers.
I have not watched the Penn St guy much; I think I will try to do so this season if I have the time.
I've been touting William Vllachos from Alabama for awhile now.
And just found out that he played last season with some broken bone in his toe.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20100806/SPORTS0401/8060305/ALABAMA-NOTEBOOK-William-Vlachos-now-pain-free-Cody-free
That makes it more impressive for him... to be playing well like that.
The one concern with Vllachos is that he's barely 6'0.
It makes it more difficult to move him, but it may become a liability when guy get over the top and in pass protection.
(It would be a shame if he doesn't get to play in the NFL. Who's the shortest NFL Center, any one knows?)

76Texan
08-19-2010, 06:37 PM
I wished that the Texans had drafted OT Sebastian Vollmer from UH.
But I guess nobody figured he would go that high (#58).
It appears he's now a lock at RT for the Pats.
He played very well against Freeney (better that #1 pick Jake Long from 2008 - better than our tackles).
He even demolished Freeney in a running play that I saw last year.

We can move one of our tackle to Guard and become a very solid O-line for a long time.

This year, there's Castonzo from BC that I really like.
Looks as if he's going in the first round though, and we probably won't be able to get him.

I will take TXSeminole's reccommendation and pay some attention to the Guard from Fla St.
Pouncey, I'm not sure where to put him yet (2nd, 3rd or 4th).

I don't think the Texans will take any guy on the Wisconsin O-line.
They just don't have the quickness I think the Texans want.

Wolf6151
08-27-2010, 12:34 AM
I'll throw in my .02 cents which is exactly what it's worth since I'm not very familiar with some of these players. I used WalterFootballs site for the prospect rankings.

1. Marvin Austin-DT North Carolina 6'03" 305 lbs. or Jarvis Jenkins-DT Clemson 6'04 310 lbs.. I can't make up my mind which one. It's time we tried to fill this massive void on the D-line again. Okoye has had his chance to prove himself and failed, and I don't think Mitchell is the answer. Also Cody, Okam, and Robinson are just filling roster spots, their not the future of the position.

2. Kristofer O'Dowd USC 6'05" 298 lbs. He's a little light but a year older and he should be able to add a little weight without a problem. He should make an excellent ZBS OG/C. This pick might require some luck.

3. Quinton Carter-FS Oklahoma 6'01" 193 lbs. 4.53 speed. Decent size and speed and should be able to add a little weight. Also had good college productivity. Wilson is good but 2011 will be his last year under contract and we've got no one good behind him.

4. Jerrod Johnson-QB ATM 6'05" 229 lbs. He's got the size, intelligence, and athleticism as well as a decent arm to play QB. He'd sit for a minimum of 2 yrs. and learn the pro style offense from Kubiak and Schaub.

5. Butch Lewis-OT USC 6'05" 288 lbs. IIRC this is Butlers last year under contract and we'll probably lose him to FA, so he'll need replacing. He's got the size that he should be able to add some weight and not lose any athleticism, he'll be a year older and bigger and comes from a pro style offense already. This pick might also require some luck.

6. K.J. Wright-OLB Mississippi St. 6'04" 245 lbs. Kevin Bentley isn't getting any younger, Adibi hasn't stepped up (very disappointed here), Sharpton is small and we need some depth here. He's got size and 4.73 speed and plays in the SEC.

7. Derrick Washington-RB Missouri 6'00" 225 lbs. Chris Henry sucks, Johnson hasn't shown us anything and our rash of injuries at RB (Slaton and Tate) has proven that we need extras even if he's only on the PS. He's had decent college productivity for a late round RB and can catch the ball in the passing game.

There it is, my first 2011 mock draft. Let's here it....

Carr Bombed
08-27-2010, 12:52 AM
Don't see us drafting a FS if Troy Nolan stays healthy....

The team has praised him and so far it looks justified, I wouldn't be surprised if he's our starting FS by the time the season is over.

I think we'll draft a offensive lineman high in next years draft. (C or G)

Blake
08-27-2010, 09:12 AM
My best attempt at drafting like Kubiak.

1st Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
2nd Rodney Hudson, G, Florida State
3rd Lance Kendricks, TE, Wisconsin
4th Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia
5th Justin Rogers, CB/KR, Richmond
6th Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
7th Zac Pauga, FB, Colorado State

BigBull17
08-27-2010, 11:03 AM
I'll throw in my .02 cents which is exactly what it's worth since I'm not very familiar with some of these players. I used WalterFootballs site for the prospect rankings.

1. Marvin Austin-DT North Carolina 6'03" 305 lbs. or Jarvis Jenkins-DT Clemson 6'04 310 lbs.. I can't make up my mind which one. It's time we tried to fill this massive void on the D-line again. Okoye has had his chance to prove himself and failed, and I don't think Mitchell is the answer. Also Cody, Okam, and Robinson are just filling roster spots, their not the future of the position.

2. Kristofer O'Dowd USC 6'05" 298 lbs. He's a little light but a year older and he should be able to add a little weight without a problem. He should make an excellent ZBS OG/C. This pick might require some luck.

3. Quinton Carter-FS Oklahoma 6'01" 193 lbs. 4.53 speed. Decent size and speed and should be able to add a little weight. Also had good college productivity. Wilson is good but 2011 will be his last year under contract and we've got no one good behind him.

4. Jerrod Johnson-QB ATM 6'05" 229 lbs. He's got the size, intelligence, and athleticism as well as a decent arm to play QB. He'd sit for a minimum of 2 yrs. and learn the pro style offense from Kubiak and Schaub.

5. Butch Lewis-OT USC 6'05" 288 lbs. IIRC this is Butlers last year under contract and we'll probably lose him to FA, so he'll need replacing. He's got the size that he should be able to add some weight and not lose any athleticism, he'll be a year older and bigger and comes from a pro style offense already. This pick might also require some luck.

6. K.J. Wright-OLB Mississippi St. 6'04" 245 lbs. Kevin Bentley isn't getting any younger, Adibi hasn't stepped up (very disappointed here), Sharpton is small and we need some depth here. He's got size and 4.73 speed and plays in the SEC.

7. Derrick Washington-RB Missouri 6'00" 225 lbs. Chris Henry sucks, Johnson hasn't shown us anything and our rash of injuries at RB (Slaton and Tate) has proven that we need extras even if he's only on the PS. He's had decent college productivity for a late round RB and can catch the ball in the passing game.

There it is, my first 2011 mock draft. Let's here it....

Your DT's have too much lead in the ass. 280lb DT's please...

Wolf6151
08-27-2010, 11:26 AM
Your DT's have too much lead in the ass. 280lb DT's please...

Actually I think the guys I chose are a little on the light side, 280 lbs. for a DT is undersized in todays NFL. I know it's what the Texans would do but I wasn't trying to predict what they do, my draft is what I'd do. Shaun Cody is 306 lbs., Frank Okam is 346 lbs., Deljuan Robinson is 307 lbs., Earl Mitchell is 300 lbs.

Wolf6151
08-27-2010, 11:35 AM
My best attempt at drafting like Kubiak.

1st Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
2nd Rodney Hudson, G, Florida State
3rd Lance Kendricks, TE, Wisconsin
4th Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia
5th Justin Rogers, CB/KR, Richmond
6th Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
7th Zac Pauga, FB, Colorado State

I like the Hudson pick, I had originally chose him in the 2nd round but changed it to O'Dowd at the last minute. The rest are probably exactly what Kubiak would do, an undersized DT, another damn TE, small school reaches, and a player from CSU.

rmartin65
08-27-2010, 07:46 PM
My best attempt at drafting like Kubiak.


7th Zac Pauga, FB, Colorado State

May I suggest an even more Kubsian draft prospect?

Introducing Eric Peitz

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/82616248.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548EB286C1A55FC2D0D D9E3B5CA94914FF4D964DE7CC916D625E30A760B0D811297

A tight end from Colorado State!

The1ApplePie
08-28-2010, 01:38 PM
I don't know what his pro-prospects are like, but what if Mark Ingram is sitting there?

Wolf6151
08-28-2010, 04:35 PM
I don't know what his pro-prospects are like, but what if Mark Ingram is sitting there?

I really like Ingram, he's going to make someone an excellent RB but we've got much bigger holes to fill than RB. I think that Foster, Tate, and Slaton are the future of the position with Houston and the O-line needs to be upgraded before we look for another RB. I'd rather have an elite DT and OG/C in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft.

badboy
08-30-2010, 02:32 PM
I really like Ingram, he's going to make someone an excellent RB but we've got much bigger holes to fill than RB. I think that Foster, Tate, and Slaton are the future of the position with Houston and the O-line needs to be upgraded before we look for another RB. I'd rather have an elite DT and OG/C in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft.I have Jeremiah Johnson ahead of Slaton on my chart so far. Orslovski looked better but I still see drafting a QB fairly high.

BigBull17
08-30-2010, 02:37 PM
Actually I think the guys I chose are a little on the light side, 280 lbs. for a DT is undersized in todays NFL. I know it's what the Texans would do but I wasn't trying to predict what they do, my draft is what I'd do. Shaun Cody is 306 lbs., Frank Okam is 346 lbs., Deljuan Robinson is 307 lbs., Earl Mitchell is 300 lbs.

Was sarcasm. I like em big, fat, and nasty, but the Texans disagree. 310ish sounds nice.

badboy
08-30-2010, 03:13 PM
Was sarcasm. I like em big, fat, and nasty, but the Texans disagree. 310ish sounds nice.What did you think about Okoye's play? I thought he was defensive player of the game.

HJam72
09-01-2010, 02:53 AM
I have Jeremiah Johnson ahead of Slaton on my chart so far. Orslovski looked better but I still see drafting a QB fairly high.

Me too.

badboy
09-03-2010, 10:49 AM
After watching the depth (?) play against Tampa Bay I am re-doing my mock. Knew it would happen just not so quickly.

1. Before : ODowd C
Now : Ryan Mallett QB
Reason: Pre-season has center looking even better as OGs are stronger. More importantly, QB looks really questionable. Dan O. has the skills & body to be Matt 2. It is the body between his ears that makes me go huh? Texans HAVE to have a solid # 2 QB not a maybe he'll do it guy. Can Orslovsky correct his mental lapses? Yes. Will he? I tried to find fault with the Oline and blocking of RBs (there was none by Henry)but both INTs were on O. A new CBA with reduced rookie scale will make this a no brainer pick.
2009: 6'7" 238lbs 22 now; 3627 yds 30 TDs

2. Before: Gideon FS
Now I go:Jimmy Smith Colorado CB 6'2" 205lb 4.49 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=76883&draftyear=2011&genpos=CB
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-college-sports/ci_15714768
Reason:
Wilson looking very good at FS and Nolan acts like a starter. Dominque whiffed on an open field tackle but I am not a Barber fan. Still I can see moving FS down a bit. We better really hope our top 2 CBs don't get hurt (Jackson, Quin and McCain) as McManus was terrible until second half when he seemed to be better. Coulda, shoulda had INT late in game. Reeves is playing like his feelings are hurt and seems to get worse each game. I am a bit surprised. Did not appear Moldin was in game.

3rd Endarle QB: still like him but Mallett possible franchise QB and Nathan may not be here.
Now : RB Leaning towards Jaquizz Rodgers Oregon State 5'7" 195lb as I followed him a bit last season but also gonna watch Demarco Murray Oklahoma 6'1" 214 4.48 who might fall due to injury history. I like him. http://www.demarco-murray.com/

Reason: Foster looks good to go and JJ is a diamond in the rough but injured toe last night. Slaton, Slaton, Stevie Slaton he could be great or poo. Henry may not be cut but he should be. I think we will see how valuable a good back is. Tate? Like Slaton, potential but who knows. This may be too high if all 3 work out and Kubes may not go this high hoping Tate is real deal.

5-7 remain the same.

badboy
09-03-2010, 10:50 AM
After watching the depth (?) play against Tampa Bay I am re-doing my mock. Knew it would happen just not so quickly.

1. Before : ODowd C
Now : Ryan Mallett QB
Reason: Pre-season has center looking even better as OGs are stronger. More importantly, QB looks really questionable. Dan O. has the skills & body to be Matt 2. It is the body between his ears that makes me go huh? Texans HAVE to have a solid # 2 QB not a maybe he'll do it guy. Can Orslovsky correct his mental lapses? Yes. Will he? I tried to find fault with the Oline and blocking of RBs (there was none by Henry)but both INTs were on O. A new CBA with reduced rookie scale will make this a no brainer pick.
2009: 6'7" 238lbs 22 now; 3627 yds 30 TDs

2. Before: Gideon FS
Now I go:Jimmy Smith Colorado CB 6'2" 205lb 4.49 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=76883&draftyear=2011&genpos=CB
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-college-sports/ci_15714768
Reason:
Wilson looking very good at FS and Nolan acts like a starter. Dominque whiffed on an open field tackle but I am not a Barber fan. Still I can see moving FS down a bit. We better really hope our top 2 CBs don't get hurt (Jackson, Quin and McCain) as McManus was terrible until second half when he seemed to be better. Coulda, shoulda had INT late in game. Reeves is playing like his feelings are hurt and seems to get worse each game. I am a bit surprised. Did not appear Moldin was in game.

3rd Endarle QB: still like him but Mallett possible franchise QB and Nathan may not be here.
Now : RB Leaning towards Jaquizz Rodgers Oregon State 5'7" 195lb as I followed him a bit last season but also gonna watch Demarco Murray Oklahoma 6'1" 214 4.48 who might fall due to injury history. I like him. http://www.demarco-murray.com/

Reason: Foster looks good to go and JJ is a diamond in the rough but injured toe last night. Slaton, Slaton, Stevie Slaton he could be great or poo. Henry may not be cut but he should be. I think we will see how valuable a good back is. Tate? Like Slaton, potential but who knows. This may be too high if all 3 work out and Kubes may not go this high hoping Tate is real deal.

5-7 remain the same.I am working on round 4.

Errant Hothy
09-03-2010, 11:49 AM
I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, Nebraska

If, and it's a big if, Henery lasts till the 7th I'll be screaming at my TV for the Texans to draft him.

painekiller
09-05-2010, 12:21 AM
Mallet is over rated, he has a rocket and no footwork. Plus there is such an animal as too tall to be an NFL QB. 6-7 is too big, they tend to have to uncoil to get out from center, and they do not usually have the athleticism to play QB in the NFL

badboy
09-07-2010, 10:42 AM
Mallet is over rated, he has a rocket and no footwork. Plus there is such an animal as too tall to be an NFL QB. 6-7 is too big, they tend to have to uncoil to get out from center, and they do not usually have the athleticism to play QB in the NFLI understand your concerns and will watch him for just that reason. Anyone have comments about picking up TT Jamar Wall CB? I watched him some during his college career. Finished his collegiate career as a Red Raider with 186 tackles, three tackles for loss, nine interceptions, 34 pass breakups and two forced fumbles while playing in 50 games with 38 starts...as a senior was named Alamo Bowl Defensive MVP after recording an interception against Michigan State.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=467

Following is Cowboy notes about stashing Wall and how my former mock guy Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is doing. http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/tag/_/name/jamar-wall

If I remember correctly Wall did not go to combine and during pro day, hurt himself during the 40.

painekiller
09-08-2010, 04:53 AM
I understand your concerns and will watch him for just that reason. Anyone have comments about picking up TT Jamar Wall CB? I watched him some during his college career. Finished his collegiate career as a Red Raider with 186 tackles, three tackles for loss, nine interceptions, 34 pass breakups and two forced fumbles while playing in 50 games with 38 starts...as a senior was named Alamo Bowl Defensive MVP after recording an interception against Michigan State.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=467

Following is Cowboy notes about stashing Wall and how my former mock guy Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is doing. http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/tag/_/name/jamar-wall

If I remember correctly Wall did not go to combine and during pro day, hurt himself during the 40.

Walls had a great Shrine Bowl week, and looked solid in the game. IMO he was the best CB at the Shrine Game.

Appears a little slow on the top end, but a solid hand fighter, and he appears to play the ball well in the air.

badboy
09-08-2010, 08:26 AM
Walls had a great Shrine Bowl week, and looked solid in the game. IMO he was the best CB at the Shrine Game.

Appears a little slow on the top end, but a solid hand fighter, and he appears to play the ball well in the air.Although he did not run the 40, I think he goes about 4.5 which is adequate if not a burner. He should have time to learn on Texans Roster and if successful change my mock board.
Info from NFLDraftscout.com "Post-Draft Outlook: A closer look at the Cowboys picks: Round 6/196 -- Jamar Wall, CB, 5-10,204, Texas Tech: He is an good cover corner who groomed for the NFL by covering Michael Crabtree in practice and Dez Bryant in the Big 12. Should be able to compete for the fourth corner spot and impact on special teams. - by The Sports Xchange"
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66675&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB

Dutchrudder
09-13-2010, 02:23 PM
I'm not really one for putting up mock drafts because every year I am always pissed that the Texans passed on X player, but I do enjoy reading all of your mocks so that I recognize some of these names while watching NCAA football. Reps for many of you putting for the efforts :D

badboy
09-13-2010, 02:44 PM
I'm not really one for putting up mock drafts because every year I am always pissed that the Texans passed on X player, but I do enjoy reading all of your mocks so that I recognize some of these names while watching NCAA football. Reps for many of you putting for the efforts :DThanks for compliment. Beerlover, Rmartin 65 & I really enjoy the mocks and especially the hours of debate and review between us that goes on behind the scenes. My hat is off for these fine young men who really make me enjoy the college scene much more than I use to. When the three of us have identified a player to watch, it adds more zest to the game. My concern at the quarterback position is I want Schaub to remain healthy and on field allowing Linert and Danny O. time for more to be crammed into them at practice. I am hoping to see some garbage minutes for both as the season goes on.

SAMURAITEXAN
09-14-2010, 07:35 PM
After watching the depth (?) play against Tampa Bay I am re-doing my mock. Knew it would happen just not so quickly.

1. Before : ODowd C
Now : Ryan Mallett QB
Reason: Pre-season has center looking even better as OGs are stronger. More importantly, QB looks really questionable. Dan O. has the skills & body to be Matt 2. It is the body between his ears that makes me go huh? Texans HAVE to have a solid # 2 QB not a maybe he'll do it guy. Can Orslovsky correct his mental lapses? Yes. Will he? I tried to find fault with the Oline and blocking of RBs (there was none by Henry)but both INTs were on O. A new CBA with reduced rookie scale will make this a no brainer pick.
2009: 6'7" 238lbs 22 now; 3627 yds 30 TDs

2. Before: Gideon FS
Now I go:Jimmy Smith Colorado CB 6'2" 205lb 4.49 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=76883&draftyear=2011&genpos=CB
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-college-sports/ci_15714768
Reason:
Wilson looking very good at FS and Nolan acts like a starter. Dominque whiffed on an open field tackle but I am not a Barber fan. Still I can see moving FS down a bit. We better really hope our top 2 CBs don't get hurt (Jackson, Quin and McCain) as McManus was terrible until second half when he seemed to be better. Coulda, shoulda had INT late in game. Reeves is playing like his feelings are hurt and seems to get worse each game. I am a bit surprised. Did not appear Moldin was in game.

3rd Endarle QB: still like him but Mallett possible franchise QB and Nathan may not be here.
Now : RB Leaning towards Jaquizz Rodgers Oregon State 5'7" 195lb as I followed him a bit last season but also gonna watch Demarco Murray Oklahoma 6'1" 214 4.48 who might fall due to injury history. I like him. http://www.demarco-murray.com/

Reason: Foster looks good to go and JJ is a diamond in the rough but injured toe last night. Slaton, Slaton, Stevie Slaton he could be great or poo. Henry may not be cut but he should be. I think we will see how valuable a good back is. Tate? Like Slaton, potential but who knows. This may be too high if all 3 work out and Kubes may not go this high hoping Tate is real deal.

5-7 remain the same.

Badboy, I like your 1,2,3(By position of needs QB,Oline, and FS). However, I am really concerned about our DE position. When Connor went down, it just hit me that we are not that deep in talent of DE position. I hope Conner's injury is not serious and able to come back 100% next year but shouldn't we be looking at DE position in early rounds?

Go Texans!!!

painekiller
09-14-2010, 11:31 PM
I understand your concerns and will watch him for just that reason..

I watched a little of the Razorbacks game on Saturday, and Mallett was what I thought he was, a tall big arm with no mechanics and no accuracy. He also has a slow release due to the long arm.

He is not on my draft watch list anymore.

badboy
09-15-2010, 12:17 PM
I watched a little of the Razorbacks game on Saturday, and Mallett was what I thought he was, a tall big arm with no mechanics and no accuracy. He also has a slow release due to the long arm.

He is not on my draft watch list anymore.Thanks for info.. I am more cautious of him but want to see how he does. Wished I had more faith in Orslovky settling down.

badboy
09-15-2010, 12:27 PM
Badboy, I like your 1,2,3(By position of needs QB,Oline, and FS). However, I am really concerned about our DE position. When Connor went down, it just hit me that we are not that deep in talent of DE position. I hope Conner's injury is not serious and able to come back 100% next year but shouldn't we be looking at DE position in early rounds?

Go Texans!!!Yeah my last post was prior to Barwin's injury. Let's wait to see what the new players do. Ogunyele may be a good player.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a86cba/article/texans-sign-denney-ogunleye-after-losing-barwin-for-season

I've been hoping Schobel would sign especially after he saw the butt whipping we put on COLTS. I sure would like to go one draft without a Dlineman in first three rounds.

beerlover
09-15-2010, 12:54 PM
Let's break it down by position of importance & balance with salary cap hit down the road. Whatever the player/position they select it will take a larger chunk of cap space if he's successful, which is what we're hoping for right? So what are the big paying positions? In my mind the big three are QB, LT, CB. All three of which seem to be well along to accomplish this tri-fector (Schaub, Duane Brown, Kareem Jackson[maybe a little early to say yet]).

So I would be surprised if they choose anyone, unless glaring bpa, who play QB, LT or CB. The next group DE (Mario) DT (Amobi/Mitchell) WR (Andre) & MLB (DeMEco/Sharpton) are also pretty much covered. maybe if there is a dominant point of attack nose tackle late first I could see them taking another elite inside tackle (Jerrell Powe/Steven Paea - both prospects fit work ethic/character clean profile). Amobi is in the final year of his rookie contract so depends how well he plays & do the Texans feel his value is worth agent compensation demands, color me skeptical right now but he does have at least 15 more games to prove otherwise :handshake:

Third group would include all other positions, OL, RB, LB, TE etc.... so I would focus on bpa who fit scheme/team @ the biggest need position.

BL :wesmantexanfan:

Wolf6151
09-15-2010, 11:34 PM
Let's break it down by position of importance & balance with salary cap hit down the road. Whatever the player/position they select it will take a larger chunk of cap space if he's successful, which is what we're hoping for right? So what are the big paying positions? In my mind the big three are QB, LT, CB. All three of which seem to be well along to accomplish this tri-fector (Schaub, Duane Brown, Kareem Jackson[maybe a little early to say yet]).

So I would be surprised if they choose anyone, unless glaring bpa, who play QB, LT or CB. The next group DE (Mario) DT (Amobi/Mitchell) WR (Andre) & MLB (DeMEco/Sharpton) are also pretty much covered. maybe if there is a dominant point of attack nose tackle late first I could see them taking another elite inside tackle (Jerrell Powe/Steven Paea - both prospects fit work ethic/character clean profile). Amobi is in the final year of his rookie contract so depends how well he plays & do the Texans feel his value is worth agent compensation demands, color me skeptical right now but he does have at least 15 more games to prove otherwise :handshake:

Third group would include all other positions, OL, RB, LB, TE etc.... so I would focus on bpa who fit scheme/team @ the biggest need position.

BL :wesmantexanfan:


I agree with most of what you said with the exception of the fact that since there are 2-3 CB's on the field at any given time I wouldn't hesitate to take a CB in the 1st round next year. 2011 seems to be a good CB year as well. It's yet to be proven if Jackson can handle being a #1 CB in the NFL but I think he's started off well and should do fine. We still need to improve our level of talent at CB though. Quinn or McCain will make good nickles or average #2 CB's but it sure would be nice to have another high talent CB especially in the new era of NFL football that's very pass oriented and many teams are running 3 WR sets quite often. So many teams are playing nickle or dime defenses so often that improving the CB talent on any team is a must, remember you can never have to many good CB's. I wouldn't argue with BPA in the 1st round as long as it's at a position of need, ie: CB, FS, DT, or OG/C. Of course all positions of need are dependent on how players play this year and on injuries.

beerlover
09-16-2010, 01:26 AM
I agree with most of what you said with the exception of the fact that since there are 2-3 CB's on the field at any given time I wouldn't hesitate to take a CB in the 1st round next year. 2011 seems to be a good CB year as well. It's yet to be proven if Jackson can handle being a #1 CB in the NFL but I think he's started off well and should do fine. We still need to improve our level of talent at CB though. Quinn or McCain will make good nickles or average #2 CB's but it sure would be nice to have another high talent CB especially in the new era of NFL football that's very pass oriented and many teams are running 3 WR sets quite often. So many teams are playing nickle or dime defenses so often that improving the CB talent on any team is a must, remember you can never have to many good CB's. I wouldn't argue with BPA in the 1st round as long as it's at a position of need, ie: CB, FS, DT, or OG/C. Of course all positions of need are dependent on how players play this year and on injuries.

CB is a premium position but I would like to see Texans solidify the pass rush with BPA for their system (Connor Barwin out places higher priority too). The team that owns line of scrimmage usually wins the game so a premier DT or DE would only make it easier for the CB's.

badboy
09-16-2010, 09:23 AM
CB is a premium position but I would like to see Texans solidify the pass rush with BPA for their system (Connor Barwin out places higher priority too). The team that owns line of scrimmage usually wins the game so a premier DT or DE would only make it easier for the CB's.I am going to agree with BL on this one. As said above 2011 appears to be deep with strong CB candidates and I would pick up another first 3 rounds even if all our currents turn out as expected such as McManus. I still see the possibility of Quin going to FS as Eugene Wilson did. This is where BPA and being in a roster depth situation that allows us to do that. Personally, I think it is harder to get a quality Dline player than a CB.

Wolf6151
09-16-2010, 07:18 PM
Here's my latest mock:

1. Brandon Harris-CB
2. Kristofer O'Dowd-C
3. Quinton Carter-FS
4. Lawrence Marsh-DT
5. Butch Lewis-OT
6. K.J. Wright-OLB
7. Best SS available ?

badboy
09-17-2010, 10:48 AM
Here's my latest mock:

1. Brandon Harris-CB
2. Kristofer O'Dowd-C
3. Quinton Carter-FS
4. Lawrence Marsh-DT
5. Butch Lewis-OT
6. K.J. Wright-OLB
7. Best SS available ?You are ok with our back up QBs?

Wolf6151
09-18-2010, 02:53 AM
You are ok with our back up QBs?

I think there are probably only 1 or 2 teams in the NFL that are happy with their backup QB situation, with that said the other 90% of the NFL is royally screwed if their starting QB goes down. I'm not happy with Dan-O this guy should be better than he is by now but I think that Leinart can get the job done so I don't see it as a major need. If we spent a 5th or later round pick on a QB I wouldn't be upset but Schaub is young and in good health so I don't see the need to waste an early pick on a guy to hold a clip board. JMO

beerlover
09-18-2010, 08:28 AM
You are ok with our back up QBs?

you know I'm not so next year Texans should have the luxury of scouting/identifying a prospect worth development. They may also have designs on a QB already in the league but maybe not in the best situation currently. I've always thought highly of former Houston Cougar Kevin Kolb, I think Kubiak thinks highly of him too. Compensation would be steep (late 1st rd. pick) so you have to weigh out options, but yeah he would be a great fit back here in Houston behind Schaub.

badboy
09-23-2010, 11:34 AM
I think there are probably only 1 or 2 teams in the NFL that are happy with their backup QB situation, with that said the other 90% of the NFL is royally screwed if their starting QB goes down. I'm not happy with Dan-O this guy should be better than he is by now but I think that Leinart can get the job done so I don't see it as a major need. If we spent a 5th or later round pick on a QB I wouldn't be upset but Schaub is young and in good health so I don't see the need to waste an early pick on a guy to hold a clip board. JMOI think if Leinart does well here, he will be gone like Rex Grossman. He will be a one year Texan.

beerlover
09-23-2010, 12:22 PM
you know I'm not so next year Texans should have the luxury of scouting/identifying a prospect worth development. They may also have designs on a QB already in the league but maybe not in the best situation currently. I've always thought highly of former Houston Cougar Kevin Kolb, I think Kubiak thinks highly of him too. Compensation would be steep (late 1st rd. pick) so you have to weigh out options, but yeah he would be a great fit back here in Houston behind Schaub.

wonder if Texans are one of them http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b61My

badboy
09-23-2010, 12:41 PM
As of today (Sept 23rd)
1. QB Ryan Mallett Ark. I want to see him against Alabama this Saturday. Hope on TV. Team will not select Center
2. CB Jimmy Smith 6'2" 205lb 4.49 bigger than Devon House and as fast. This is a shut down CB with only 2 INTS but 10 break ups. & 70 tackles. Can play FS (Colorado)
3. DE Sam Acho UT
4. RB Brandon Saine 6' 218 4.46 Ohio St. Tate should be back but I think I want another fast strong back. Slaton still a ?
5. Chris Prosinski FS/SS Wyoming. WIlson is 30 even if Nolan is real deal Chris is good; 140 tackles four for loss and 6 pass break ups. 4.56 is decent.