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J_R
08-03-2010, 02:42 PM
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From the Houston Press:


Training camp opens for the Houston Texans on Friday. And as hard as it is to believe, the Houston Chronicle is high on the team's chances to make the playoffs.

NFL "expert" John McClain says the Texans will be a contender (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2010/07/its_going_to_be_a_fun_ride_wat.html) for a wild card spot. As McClain writes, the Texans, and head coach Gary Kubiak (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7123668.html), are focused on making the playoffs in this, the franchise's ninth year of existence.

I guess this means the team hasn't been focused on accomplishing this the previous eight seasons. The problem is, this is essentially the same thing McClain and the Chron propaganda writers wrote about the Texans last season. Remember those stories about how it's finally time, and that if the Texans don't make the playoffs, then Kubiak should be replaced as coach? And remember how after the Texans got off to an awful start, the argument changed to one that said those expecting the team to make the playoffs last time were hoping for too much, and that those calling for Kubiak to be replaced were just a bunch of people who didn't understand football?

My favorite moment came when Richard Justice justified Kubiak's continued employment (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6758499.html) because he had the same, or better, record at 60 games coached as Jeff Fisher, Jimmy Johnson, and Bill Belichick while failing to point out that at the point in their career, Johnson had already made the playoffs once and were about to win the Super Bowl while Belichick's Browns were on the way to the playoffs and Fisher was coaching a team without a true home.

​But this year is going to be different than last season. Never mind that the Texans played a soft schedule last season. Never mind that the Texans had to go on another of those December winning streaks where the games didn't matter to get a winning record. Never mind that there's still no evidence that the Texans are going to have a running game this season.

Or that Mario Williams is going to show up. Or that Matt Schaub will find a way to stay healthy once again. Or that Steve Slaton will remember how to hang on to the football. Or that Owen Daniels will come back completely healthy. Or that Texans are suddenly going to start playing complete football games.

This year is going to be different.

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Read the rest (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/07/houston_texans_propaganda.php)

disaacks3
08-03-2010, 03:00 PM
The Texans played a "soft" schedule? Who knew?

SheTexan
08-03-2010, 06:08 PM
BAHHHHHHHHHHHH!! I don't read the Chron!! Just wait until we play the Cowboys and the meatballs!! We'll be the pop warner team playing SB bound teams, as far as they're concerned!! I detest MOST of their sports writers and will not subscribe to that ragsheet again until Richard Justice is GONE!! I don't need it to get info on my Texans!!!

Tailgate
08-03-2010, 06:47 PM
BAHHHHHHHHHHHH!! I don't read the Chron!! Just wait until we play the Cowboys and the meatballs!! We'll be the pop warner team playing SB bound teams, as far as they're concerned!! I detest MOST of their sports writers and will not subscribe to that ragsheet again until Richard Justice is GONE!! I don't need it to get info on my Texans!!!

Its actually from the Houston press. THERE you will find the bottom of the barrel.

imatexan
08-03-2010, 07:57 PM
BAHHHHHHHHHHHH!! I don't read the Chron!! Just wait until we play the Cowboys and the meatballs!! We'll be the pop warner team playing SB bound teams, as far as they're concerned!! I detest MOST of their sports writers and will not subscribe to that ragsheet again until Richard Justice is GONE!! I don't need it to get info on my Texans!!!

Who have you found that covers the Texans as much and has new news on the team?

JB
08-03-2010, 08:00 PM
Who have you found that covers the Texans as much and has new news on the team?

This board, Stephanie Stradley, Lance Zierlein, AJ Burge @ the Examiner, John Harris @1560, Diehard Chris, and the list goes on...

Speedy
08-03-2010, 08:02 PM
Its actually from the Houston press. THERE you will find the bottom of the barrel.

You ain't lying. The Houston Press makes douches like Dickie Justice look like Pulitzer Prize writers.

Lucky
08-03-2010, 09:11 PM
And no matter what, it won't be Gary Kubiak's fault. A coach can only do so much, after all.
I've heard this countless times over the past 2 seasons. The owner said as much last week. I would just like to hear from the Kubiak apologists that Gary has made mistakes and needs to get better. Just as Mario, Amobi, and the rest need to improve. Kubiak is treated like a child by the apologists. "Gary's talking!" "He's walking, he's taking his first steps!" "Look, little Gary has his first tooth! He's so cute."

I just want Kubiak to be treated like an NFL head coach. I don't care how far the team has come. I don't care if they're making incremental improvements. I don't care about the injuries. I care about winning and winning in the playoffs. If it takes pulling a rabbit out of his hat, then Gary Kubiak needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat.

The Pencil Neck
08-03-2010, 09:27 PM
I've heard this countless times over the past 2 seasons. The owner said as much last week. I would just like to hear from the Kubiak apologists that Gary has made mistakes and needs to get better. Just as Mario, Amobi, and the rest need to improve. Kubiak is treated like a child by the apologists. "Gary's talking!" "He's walking, he's taking his first steps!" "Look, little Gary has his first tooth! He's so cute."

I just want Kubiak to be treated like an NFL head coach. I don't care how far the team has come. I don't care if they're making incremental improvements. I don't care about the injuries. I care about winning and winning in the playoffs. If it takes pulling a rabbit out of his hat, then Gary Kubiak needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat.

Kubiak is an NFL head coach. He's a good NFL head coach. He makes mistakes. All head coaches make mistakes. He needs to get us to the playoffs and he needs to win games once he gets there.

But there's no reason to poo-poo the strides this team has made while he's been the head coach.

ObsiWan
08-03-2010, 09:36 PM
I've heard this countless times over the past 2 seasons. The owner said as much last week. I would just like to hear from the Kubiak apologists that Gary has made mistakes and needs to get better. Just as Mario, Amobi, and the rest need to improve. Kubiak is treated like a child by the apologists. "Gary's talking!" "He's walking, he's taking his first steps!" "Look, little Gary has his first tooth! He's so cute."

I just want Kubiak to be treated like an NFL head coach. I don't care how far the team has come. I don't care if they're making incremental improvements. I don't care about the injuries. I care about winning and winning in the playoffs. If it takes pulling a rabbit out of his hat, then Gary Kubiak needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat.


Gary Kubiak has made mistakes and needs to get better. And to go a step further, he needs to be a little more daring in his play-calling.

there... I said it.

but I kinda thought all that went without saying. All coaches make mistakes. Otherwise, they'd never make a wrong draft pick or ever get beat.

JB
08-03-2010, 09:37 PM
Kubiak is an NFL head coach. He's a good NFL head coach. He makes mistakes. All head coaches make mistakes. He needs to get us to the playoffs and he needs to win games once he gets there.

But there's no reason to poo-poo the strides this team has made while he's been the head coach.

Very well said TPN! Thanks! I think that sometimes our desires overcome our sensibilities. Kubiak has done a very good job with what he has been given to work with, overall. Yep, he has made a lot of mistakes. But for the most part, his schemes have put the players in the right position to make a play, if they dont' have their head up their ass. (re: the CJ uncovered TD).

However, if you don't achieve perfection you are obviously garbage because there are 31 other teams out there that are doing what you should be every year. :sarcasm: if you needed it...

imatexan
08-05-2010, 05:22 AM
This board, Stephanie Stradley, Lance Zierlein, AJ Burge @ the Examiner, John Harris @1560, Diehard Chris, and the list goes on...

Ya I use all of these as well(other than radio because I am in LA) but I will say that the chronicle has more news type of things on the team compared to coverage/debates/etc.

zanth91
08-05-2010, 12:02 PM
Gary Kubiak has made mistakes and needs to get better. And to go a step further, he needs to be a little more daring in his play-calling.

there... I said it.

but I kinda thought all that went without saying. All coaches make mistakes. Otherwise, they'd never make a wrong draft pick or ever get beat.

Last season, the Texans offense was one of the most aggressive offenses in the league mainly due to the poor running game. How do you expect them to be more "daring" without making a lot more mistakes? I think that would be a step back.

badboy
08-05-2010, 03:33 PM
After many years, I discontinued the Chronicle yesterday.

J_R
08-07-2010, 03:34 PM
Kubiak: Do-or-die year for Texans (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2010-08-07-texans-usat-saturday_N.htm)

gary
08-07-2010, 05:31 PM
Just for the record I have always thought good coaches do not make a lot of mishaps but maybe I am wrong.

thunderkyss
08-07-2010, 07:36 PM
I've heard this countless times over the past 2 seasons. The owner said as much last week. I would just like to hear from the Kubiak apologists that Gary has made mistakes and needs to get better. Just as Mario, Amobi, and the rest need to improve. Kubiak is treated like a child by the apologists. "Gary's talking!" "He's walking, he's taking his first steps!" "Look, little Gary has his first tooth! He's so cute."


Wow...

I consider myself a Kubiak apologist. Yet I've always acknowledged Kubiak has made some mistakes, and that he himself is a work in progress as a head coach.

I even mentioned once (a long, long time ago) that we were sold a bill of goods, when McNair told us that Kubiak was ready when he hired him.

thunderkyss
08-07-2010, 08:10 PM
Kubiak: Do-or-die year for Texans (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/texans/2010-08-07-texans-usat-saturday_N.htm)

That was a really good article. I hope people don't look at "do or die" and think it's "play-offs or bust" meaning Kubiak is fired if it doesn't happen.

Not that I'm opposed to Kubiak getting fired, well, ok, I am. I'm just saying it would be nice to have something stronger than that to suggest McNair is ready to pull the trigger when the time comes.

Right tackle Eric Winston says it's a matter of believing.

"It's not a matter of talent or playmakers," Winston says. "If we're consistent and mature about our business, it'll take us over that hump."

I was watching America's game on NFLNetwork. Irvin was saying how Jimmy Johnson would tell his team, "if you find yourself in a fight with a gorilla, you've got to walk up to him, and punch him in the mouth."

It would be nice if our coach would say things like that.

Lucky
08-07-2010, 09:52 PM
That was a really good article. I hope people don't look at "do or die" and think it's "play-offs or bust" meaning Kubiak is fired if it doesn't happen.
:facepalm:

Ok, I don't want to turn this into the 3rd annual "What will it take for Kubiak to be fired/keep his job" thread. But come on! What could "do or die" possibly mean other than "play-offs or bust"? Even Kubiak gets that.

Sluggo
08-07-2010, 11:19 PM
The team needs to win a minimum of ten games. Yes the schedule is brutal but the Texans are trying to show they deserve a seat at the adult table. I had no issue bringing Kubiak back for another season. Too often "fire the coach" is a knee jerk reaction. The team has clearly made strides from when he took over and I think blowing everything up and starting over needs to be a last option. Now the team is at a place in its development under Gary Kubiak that termination will be the last option if the team treads water one more season, doesn't improve won/lost record within the division, or goes backwards.
Some people got their shorts in a wad over the fact that McNair extended Kubiak with a multiyear contract, but anyone who follows the league knows that means nothing. It is very difficult for a coach with one year on his contract - basically a "lame duck' with no show of confidence from the owner - to have any credibility within the locker room. McNair, if he was going to keep his head coach around, had to give a multiyear extention. To do anything less would have been unfair; undermining his man.

Regardless of what Kubiak has left on his contract, this is the year. The team clearly makes a leap foreward - schedule be damned - or the house gets cleaned. Again.

The Pencil Neck
08-07-2010, 11:43 PM
The team needs to win a minimum of ten games. Yes the schedule is brutal but the Texans are trying to show they deserve a seat at the adult table.

I want to amend this.

Team wins 10 games OR makes the playoffs. Either way.

There is a possibility that a team in our conference could win 10+ games and not make the playoffs. With our luck, that team would be us.

Lucky
08-07-2010, 11:52 PM
I want to amend this.

Team wins 10 games OR makes the playoffs. Either way.

I would amend this. Just make the playoffs. 10 wins, 12 wins, 8 wins. Whatever it takes. Just do it.

The Pencil Neck
08-08-2010, 01:09 AM
I would amend this. Just make the playoffs. 10 wins, 12 wins, 8 wins. Whatever it takes. Just do it.

I don't agree with that.

thunderkyss
08-08-2010, 11:34 AM
:facepalm:

Ok, I don't want to turn this into the 3rd annual "What will it take for Kubiak to be fired/keep his job" thread. But come on! What could "do or die" possibly mean other than "play-offs or bust"? Even Kubiak gets that.

When I say "do or die" that means I will do it, or die trying. When Kubiak says it, in this context, I believe he means he is going to do everything he can possibly think of to get his team over the hump."

Kubiak also gets that he just signed an extension to his contract. I bet he would be surprised, if he gets fired, if he takes this team to 11-5, and we still miss the play-offs.

Another thing, even if McNair had said, "do-or-die" that doesn't mean firing anyone. If he said (or says) we've got some decisions to make in the off-season, or something similar, then ok, chances are good that someone is going to lose their job.

do-or-die, playoffs or bust, and various other statements do not mean what many of us would like for it to mean. They are just phrases many of us say, when we mean, "We will (reasonably) expend all of our resources towards one goal. We don't know what we are going to do if we fail, because all of our resources are focused on succeeding. We have not had time to consider a reality where we do not succeed, and we won't, until we do not, & not a second sooner. As a matter of fact, it might take a day or two to sink in that we did not succeed, so I would appreciate at least a couple of days before I'm expected to figure out what I will do next."

It's just a lot easier to say "do-or-die" or "play-offs or bust"

thunderkyss
08-08-2010, 11:44 AM
The team needs to win a minimum of ten games. Yes the schedule is brutal but the Texans are trying to show they deserve a seat at the adult table. I had no issue bringing Kubiak back for another season. Too often "fire the coach" is a knee jerk reaction.

I will go further.

If we are 10-5 going into Jacksonville week 17, and that game will decide whether we are in or out, and we lose....


He's got to go.

Lucky
08-08-2010, 12:43 PM
Kubiak also gets that he just signed an extension to his contract. I bet he would be surprised, if he gets fired, if he takes this team to 11-5, and we still miss the play-offs.
We're not going to do this again, are we? It's the preseason, the Texans are undefeated and in 1st place in the AFC South.

Let's just hope for the best.

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