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HouSportsWriter
08-01-2010, 06:33 PM
bad news

Texans DE Mario Williams sat out Sunday's training camp practices with a swollen hip. Head coach Gary Kubiak said Williams might need 'a couple of days' to recover. Kubiak said Williams has battled a chronic hip problem his entire career!

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http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Mario_Williams/1072718




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move if need be

HouSportsWriter
08-01-2010, 06:34 PM
Lets hope it not to severe ,and he gets back soon we need every one healthy.

The Pencil Neck
08-01-2010, 07:17 PM
I'm not worried about it.

gtexan02
08-01-2010, 07:22 PM
The main reason to be concerned is that marios hip has been aproblem for multiple years.

At this point, it looks like the coaches just being very conservative.

But if it continues to nag him, Im going to be concerned

Every single year he seems like he's got some nagging injury holding him back from greatnes

CloakNNNdagger
08-01-2010, 09:53 PM
As long as it's muscular and not aseptic necrosis (avascular necrosis).

IBleedTexans
08-01-2010, 11:18 PM
As long as it's muscular and not aseptic necrosis (avascular necrosis).

Could you elaborate on ( avascular necrosis ) please?

HJam72
08-01-2010, 11:32 PM
ANOTHER long-term problem :brickwall:

MEGA SWATT
08-02-2010, 12:48 AM
Houston Rockets--injuries

Houston Texans--injuries

Common theme--Houston and injuries:foottap:

Norg
08-02-2010, 01:02 AM
if its cronic doesent that mean he might need surgry to stop this problem long term ???

GP
08-02-2010, 01:05 AM
Could you elaborate on ( avascular necrosis ) please?

Google is your friend.

1. Copy the words "avascular necrosis"

2. Go to google.com

3. Paste the words "avascular necrosis" into google search bar

4. Click "search"

5. Select any search result, and read

Here's what I found out, using the aforementioned system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avascular_necrosis):

Definition:

Avascular necrosis (also osteonecrosis, bone infarction[1], aseptic necrosis, ischemic bone necrosis[2], and AVN) is a disease where there is cellular death (necrosis) of bone components due to interruption of the blood supply.[3] Without blood, the bone tissue dies and the bone collapses.[2] If avascular necrosis involves the bones of a joint, it often leads to destruction of the joint articular surfaces (see Osteochondritis dissecans).

Causes:

There are many theories about what causes avascular necrosis. Proposed risk factors include alcoholism,[4] excessive steroid use,[5] post trauma,[6][7] caisson disease (decompression sickness),[8][9] vascular compression,[10] hypertension, vasculitis, arterial embolism and thrombosis, damage from radiation, bisphosphonates (particularly the mandible),[11] sickle cell anaemia,[12] and Gaucher's Disease.[13] In some cases it is idiopathic (no cause is found).[14] Rheumatoid arthritis and lupus are also common causes of AVN. Prolonged, repeated exposure to high pressures (as experienced by commercial and military divers) has been linked to AVN, though the relationship is not well-understood.

Prognosis:

The amount of disability that results from avascular necrosis depends on what part of the bone is affected, how large an area is involved, and how effectively the bone rebuilds itself. The process of bone rebuilding takes place after an injury as well as during normal growth.[24] Normally, bone continuously breaks down and rebuilds—old bone is reabsorbed and replaced with new bone. The process keeps the skeleton strong and helps it to maintain a balance of minerals.[24] In the course of avascular necrosis, however, the healing process is usually ineffective and the bone tissues break down faster than the body can repair them. If left untreated, the disease progresses, the bone collapses,[2] and the joint surface breaks down,[14] leading to pain and arthritis.[14]

Notable individuals affected:

Avascular necrosis cut short the football and baseball careers of star athlete Bo Jackson.[28]

Other sports stars with this condition are former NFL running back Garrison Hearst, cyclist Floyd Landis, NFL quarterback Brett Favre, professional wrestler "Superstar" Billy Graham, wrestler Joe Heat, Number one draft pick for the Minnesota Lynx: Ben Dvorak, NBA player Jorge Garbajosa, NHL goaltender Ray Emery and gymnast Jade Barbosa.

In addition to the athletes listed, AVN has affected Edward Van Halen, lead guitarist for the rock band Van Halen, Ed Graham, drummer of the bands The Darkness and Stone Gods, and Micky Dolenz, the drummer/singer of the band The Monkees.

Recent research into the cause of death of Tutankhamun suggests that it may have been a factor in the pharaoh's death.

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There's no telling how far Micky Dolenz could have gone had AVN not ravaged his career.

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2010, 08:58 AM
Thanks, GP

In football players, avascular necrosis of the hip most commonly occurs through 1)the trauma of dislocation or severe direct compression impact on the joint, 2) systemic anti-inflammatory corticosteroid (e.g., prednisone), oral or intramuscular, 3)anabolic steroid use, and 4)direct therapeutic anti-inflammatory corticosteroid joint injections.............many times a combination of the aforementioned. As was the case of Bo Jackson, he sustained a shoulder dislocation (while playing football, not baseball), was treated with oral and intramuscular corticosteroids for inflammatory aches and pains during his career, partook of anabolic steroids, and received direct corticosteroid injections into the joint. A very serious direct side effect of a cortisone injection into the joint area is the death of the bone at the injection site, especially the ball of the hip and ball of the shoulder, i.e., avascular necrosis. The other next most common sites involve the shoulder and knee. With Mario having both his present hip problem (and we really don’t known how long he has had this problem) and having had shoulder surgery for a chronic shoulder problem, the potential for this diagnosis began bothering me. The problem with such a diagnosis (if indeed that is even what it would be) is that we may never know until very much later, because it is not a diagnosis that in a player like Mario you would want the world to know.

IBleedTexans
08-02-2010, 09:30 AM
Google is your friend.

1. Copy the words "avascular necrosis"

2. Go to google.com

3. Paste the words "avascular necrosis" into google search bar

4. Click "search"

5. Select any search result, and read

Here's what I found out, using the aforementioned system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avascular_necrosis):

Definition:

Avascular necrosis (also osteonecrosis, bone infarction[1], aseptic necrosis, ischemic bone necrosis[2], and AVN) is a disease where there is cellular death (necrosis) of bone components due to interruption of the blood supply.[3] Without blood, the bone tissue dies and the bone collapses.[2] If avascular necrosis involves the bones of a joint, it often leads to destruction of the joint articular surfaces (see Osteochondritis dissecans).

Causes:

There are many theories about what causes avascular necrosis. Proposed risk factors include alcoholism,[4] excessive steroid use,[5] post trauma,[6][7] caisson disease (decompression sickness),[8][9] vascular compression,[10] hypertension, vasculitis, arterial embolism and thrombosis, damage from radiation, bisphosphonates (particularly the mandible),[11] sickle cell anaemia,[12] and Gaucher's Disease.[13] In some cases it is idiopathic (no cause is found).[14] Rheumatoid arthritis and lupus are also common causes of AVN. Prolonged, repeated exposure to high pressures (as experienced by commercial and military divers) has been linked to AVN, though the relationship is not well-understood.

Prognosis:

The amount of disability that results from avascular necrosis depends on what part of the bone is affected, how large an area is involved, and how effectively the bone rebuilds itself. The process of bone rebuilding takes place after an injury as well as during normal growth.[24] Normally, bone continuously breaks down and rebuilds—old bone is reabsorbed and replaced with new bone. The process keeps the skeleton strong and helps it to maintain a balance of minerals.[24] In the course of avascular necrosis, however, the healing process is usually ineffective and the bone tissues break down faster than the body can repair them. If left untreated, the disease progresses, the bone collapses,[2] and the joint surface breaks down,[14] leading to pain and arthritis.[14]

Notable individuals affected:

Avascular necrosis cut short the football and baseball careers of star athlete Bo Jackson.[28]

Other sports stars with this condition are former NFL running back Garrison Hearst, cyclist Floyd Landis, NFL quarterback Brett Favre, professional wrestler "Superstar" Billy Graham, wrestler Joe Heat, Number one draft pick for the Minnesota Lynx: Ben Dvorak, NBA player Jorge Garbajosa, NHL goaltender Ray Emery and gymnast Jade Barbosa.

In addition to the athletes listed, AVN has affected Edward Van Halen, lead guitarist for the rock band Van Halen, Ed Graham, drummer of the bands The Darkness and Stone Gods, and Micky Dolenz, the drummer/singer of the band The Monkees.

Recent research into the cause of death of Tutankhamun suggests that it may have been a factor in the pharaoh's death.

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There's no telling how far Micky Dolenz could have gone had AVN not ravaged his career.

You didn't have to be a dick with your comment. The question was not for you. If you look at my post, its clearly was for cloak.

IBleedTexans
08-02-2010, 09:35 AM
Thanks, GP

In football players, avascular necrosis of the hip most commonly occurs through 1)the trauma of dislocation or severe direct compression impact on the joint, 2) systemic anti-inflammatory corticosteroid (e.g., prednisone), oral or intramuscular, 3)anabolic steroid use, and 4)direct therapeutic anti-inflammatory corticosteroid joint injections.............many times a combination of the aforementioned. As was the case of Bo Jackson, he sustained a shoulder dislocation (while playing football, not baseball), was treated with oral and intramuscular corticosteroids for inflammatory aches and pains during his career, partook of anabolic steroids, and received direct corticosteroid injections into the joint. A very serious direct side effect of a cortisone injection into the joint area is the death of the bone at the injection site, especially the ball of the hip and ball of the shoulder, i.e., avascular necrosis. The other next most common sites involve the shoulder and knee. With Mario having both his present hip problem (and we really don’t known how long he has had this problem) and having had shoulder surgery for a chronic shoulder problem, the potential for this diagnosis began bothering me. The problem with such a diagnosis (if indeed that is even what it would be) is that we may never know until very much later, because it is not a diagnosis that in a player like Mario you would want the world to know.

Thanks for your take on his injury. My computer has a virus so I've been using my phones browser.

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2010, 02:54 PM
I heard that Mario received an "injection" today for a "hip" pointer." Hopefully, that is all it is. The mechanism of injury, direct blow to the hip region, as well as the signs and symptoms, can be similar and difficult to distinguish from avascular necrosis of the hip, especially if the diagnosis is not entertained.

Texecutioner
08-02-2010, 03:02 PM
I'm not worried about it.

I'm very worried about it. Anything "chronic" worries me especially when it still is there and exists. Mario seems to always have some sort of undisclosed injury a lot it seems like that we ended up hearing about after the fact. A hip problem could spell a lot of trouble down the road.

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2010, 04:13 PM
A somewhat strange quote from Kubiak (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6241)today:

(on the status of DE Mario Williams) "It's going to be day to day. He's had the injection this morning. He actually had to stay there for awhile to get that done. You probably won't see him all today because we're working special teams (this afternoon's practice). We will watch it (swelling in his hip) through tomorrow I'm sure, but the bottom line it's too early in this thing. We going to get exactly the way we want it before we proceed forward."

Brisco_County
08-02-2010, 05:48 PM
A somewhat strange quote from Kubiak (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6241)today:

Due to corticosteroid injections and who knows what else, can this problem occur in multiple regions, like the shoulder and hip?

devo-x
08-02-2010, 06:09 PM
Another interesting quote from Kubiak


(on DE Mario Williams' status) "This morning he had a procedure. He is back in the facility resting. He will not practice tomorrow and it will probably be a couple of days until we can get the inflammation out of his hip and if we could do that, then we can feel better about putting him back to work. It's more a preventative thing more than anything.

(on if DE Mario Williams' hip injury is a continual injury) "No, I don't think so. He's been through this before. Usually when you come back from the summer to these tough workouts that we ran. Hopefully it's just a stage he's going to and we can get back into control."

:thinking:
Source: http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6241

CloakNNNdagger
08-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Due to corticosteroid injections and who knows what else, can this problem occur in multiple regions, like the shoulder and hip?

Yes. The hip and shoulder knee are the most common sites. You commonly see this process occur in mutiple sites both contemporaneously (>50% of cases) and at separate time frames.

Brisco_County
08-02-2010, 09:56 PM
Yes. The hip and shoulder knee are the most common sites. You commonly see this process occur in mutiple sites both contemporaneously (>50% of cases) and at separate time frames.

Wonderful!

RagingBull
08-02-2010, 11:53 PM
I vote that DR. CnD become the Texans official team surgeon! I am very impressed by your knowledge of things outside your specialty.

Brisco_County
08-03-2010, 12:52 AM
I vote that DR. CnD become the Texans official team surgeon! I am very impressed by your knowledge of things outside your specialty.

I vote nay. He wouldn't be able to talk to us anymore.

J_R
08-09-2010, 09:07 AM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)
Mario Williams is in Philly seeing a sports hernia specialist.

McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Williams has been out since third practice of camp with inflammation in his hip that caused swelling.

McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Williams got a shot but it hasn't responded and he wanted a second opinion before he returns to practice.

Austrian
08-09-2010, 09:10 AM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)
Mario Williams is in Philly seeing a sports hernia specialist.

:panic:

dalemurphy
08-09-2010, 09:18 AM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)
Mario Williams is in Philly seeing a sports hernia specialist.

McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Williams has been out since third practice of camp with inflammation in his hip that caused swelling.

UGGH!
Texans Bull Blog (http://www.texansbullblog.com/mario-williams-sports-hernia/news/)

Texan_Bill
08-09-2010, 09:22 AM
Sign Schobel NOW!!!!!!!

J_R
08-09-2010, 09:41 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7145603.html

Austrian
08-09-2010, 09:41 AM
Sign Schobel NOW!!!!!!!

this!!

WWJD
08-09-2010, 09:45 AM
Hope it's nothing serious. Poor guy.

J_R
08-09-2010, 10:13 AM
Everything came back negative. Unsure if he's going to practice/participate tomorrow or play this week.

Tailgate
08-09-2010, 10:18 AM
Everything came back negative. Unsure if he's going to practice/participate tomorrow or play this week.

From his trip to Philly today?

J_R
08-09-2010, 10:20 AM
Not sure if it was today. Dont think it was.

NickScurfield (http://twitter.com/NickScurfield)

... "All the reports are good. We expect him to get back here and get back on the field here shortly," Kubiak said of Williams

Tailgate
08-09-2010, 10:35 AM
Not sure if it was today. Dont think it was.

NickScurfield (http://twitter.com/NickScurfield)

... "All the reports are good. We expect him to get back here and get back on the field here shortly," Kubiak said of Williams

Thanks. Also from your link:

Texans coach Gary Kubiak reported "great news" on DE Mario Williams, who went to Philadelphia for a 2nd opinion on his injured hip... 13 minutes ago via Echofon

gtexan02
08-09-2010, 12:06 PM
From ESPN:

Houston Texans defensive end Mario Williams is having some issues with his hip this preseason, and did not dress for the team's open practice on Saturday, which included a full-padded scrimmage.

On Monday, the Houston Chronicle's John McClain reported that Williams has traveled to Philadelphia to meet with a sports hernia specialist. He's seeking a second opinion prior to returning to practice, since previous treatment options have not worked.

Any prolonged absence for Williams would be devastating to the Texans' defense, so this story bears watching. Whether or not it accelerates the team's pursuit of Aaron Schobel will also be an intriguing subject to keep an eye on.

Ole Miss Texan
08-09-2010, 12:13 PM
My thoughts:

1. I hope this isn't anything serious and is just precautionary.
2. I hope he is 100% by the regular season.
3. I hope this keeps him "fresh" for the beginning of the season.
4. I hope he stays healthy all season/post season.
5. I hope we sign Schobel TODAY!

krocket
08-09-2010, 03:19 PM
My thoughts:


5. I hope we sign Schobel TODAY!
I read somewhere (sorry, no link) that Schoebel probably won't sign before the last week of TC, you know how Vets are. On Schoebel's part that may be a bad move since he needs to learn the people on a new team. I hope he signs anyway. You can't beat Indianapolis without a good edge rushing DE. You can't have too much depth at DL. Smith can slide and bring in Aaron on the end, someone in the other DT spot and Mario and that is a formidable DL.

JB
08-09-2010, 03:22 PM
I read somewhere (sorry, no link) that Schoebel probably won't sign before the last week of TC, you know how Vets are. On Schoebel's part that may be a bad move since he needs to learn the people on a new team. I hope he signs anyway. You can't beat Indianapolis without a good edge rushing DE. You can't have too much depth at DL. Smith can slide and bring in Aaron on the end, someone in the other DT spot and Mario and that is a formidable DL.

No, he made a comment that he probably needs two weeks to get ready. I think he will sign somewhere next week. And play in the final two preseason games.

krocket
08-09-2010, 07:02 PM
No, he made a comment that he probably needs two weeks to get ready. I think he will sign somewhere next week. And play in the final two preseason games.Why would he wait until next week if the Texans want him and he wants the Texans. Just come on down.

TexanSam
08-09-2010, 07:23 PM
From Anna Megan Raley...

http://www.foxsportshouston.com/08/09/10/Texans-Training-Camp-Notes-Day-11/landing.html?blockID=286536&feedID=3714

Pro Bowl defensive end Mario Williams has not been practicing because of a hip injury, and coach Gary Kubiak is now indicating that the soreness has spread to his groin and pelvic region. Last week, Williams received an injection to reduce the swelling in his hip. Monday, he was in Philadelphia to see a specialist for a second opinion.

MEGA SWATT
08-09-2010, 10:30 PM
I hope Mario Ming, oops, Mario Williams is ok.

How the hell do you get hurt before you do anything this season?

CloakNNNdagger
08-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Texans get good news regarding Mario Williams (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/09/texans-get-good-news-regarding-mario-williams/)

The second opinion on Mario Williams' hip came back the same as the Texans' first opinion.

"Great news on Mario," coach Gary Kubiak said Monday morning. "He went up there for a second opinion, and all of the reports were good, and we expect him to get back here and get back on the field here shortly."

Williams went to a sports hernia specialist, as there was some concern after Williams' hip pain moved into his groin area. Tests came up negative for a sports hernia, and Williams should re-join the Texans shortly.

We still do not know what is causing his hip, pelvic and groin pain........at least, we are not being told.

The Pencil Neck
08-09-2010, 11:27 PM
When this all first came up, I really just thought this was a veteran type of move to rest up. The initial report just sounded like some minor swelling and I wasn't worried about it.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Brisco_County
08-10-2010, 02:12 AM
Texans get good news regarding Mario Williams (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/09/texans-get-good-news-regarding-mario-williams/)



We still do not know what is causing his hip, pelvic and groin pain........at least, we are not being told.

We'll know if we end up picking a DE in next year's draft.

CloakNNNdagger
08-10-2010, 09:24 PM
Mario Williams returns to practice (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mario-Williams-returns-to-practice.html)

Houston Texans Pro Bowl defensive end Mario Williams returned to practice today, taking part in individiual and first-team defensive drills.

"That’s going to be the plan as we work towards Saturday," Texans coach Gary Kubiak said in remarks distributed by the team. "It’ll be a little bit each day. It’s not like we are going to throw him into the fire. It’s exactly what we had planned. He was going to work the first 30 minutes of practice and that’s it.”

Williams has dealt with inflammation of his hip and pelvic region.

"I'm the wrong guy to ask," Kubiak said. "I knew there were big concerns and we looked at it a couple of ways to determine if we are doing this the right way and see if we could control this and move forward. That’s what we’re trying to do.”

Kubiak said the team hopes Williams can play Saturday against the Arizona Cardinals.

"I hope so," Kubiak said. "My plan and his plan we have in place with him is that he’s going to play about 10 plays on Saturday. It’s not like we’re going to throw him back into the fire. We’ve got to be smart so we could get the best Mario’s got throughout the season.”

The return of Mario to the field makes me excited. His prospects of remaining on the field without continued hip problems, not so much. With his symptoms including hip, groin and pelvic pains, add hip stress fracture and hip labrum tear, to the avascular necrosis concern. But, hopefully, it's all muscular.:texflag:

The Pencil Neck
08-10-2010, 11:31 PM
Mario Williams returns to practice (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mario-Williams-returns-to-practice.html)



The return of Mario to the field makes me excited. His prospects of remaining on the field without continued hip problems, not so much. With his symptoms including hip, groin and pelvic pains, add hip stress fracture and hip labrum tear, to the avascular necrosis concern. But, hopefully, it's all muscular.:texflag:

Personally, I'd prefer it if they just let him rest up for the season.

CloakNNNdagger
08-11-2010, 05:22 AM
Personally, I'd prefer it if they just let him rest up for the season.

Not a popular choice, but certainly at least until a solid diagnosis is made of his condition.

gary
08-11-2010, 09:27 AM
He has always had some injury holding him back from greatness IMO.