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GermanTexan
07-22-2010, 06:03 AM
Schobel likely done in Buffalo; looking for trade?

Aaron Schobel has played his entire nine-year career with the Bills, but it doesn't appear that he'll play another down for the franchise. From what we hear, barring a surprising change of heart, the 32-year-old's time in Buffalo is over. Contemplating retirement ever since the 2009 campaign ended, Schobel said that he would be open to returning to the team closer to the beginning of the season and that the decision was in the Bills' hands. Since the club never gave the TCU product any indication that it didn't want him, word is that Buffalo might have denied Schobel's request to skip offseason activities and training camp. With a new 3-4 defense being installed, the Bills might have felt that Schobel, who would have to switch from defensive end to outside linebacker, would not be sufficiently up to speed with the scheme by Week One. It's also possible that the sack artist could be angling for a trade to a Texas team, as he makes his home there.



found on ProFootballWeekly link (http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/06/25/schobel-likely-done-in-buffalo-looking-for-trade)

TimeKiller
07-22-2010, 08:45 AM
I don't think the Texans have the room for this guy.

El Tejano
07-22-2010, 11:32 AM
Well Dallas runs a 3-4 also. So that leaves us as the only 4-3 defense. Schoebel would make a guy like Tim Bulman expendable. Once again, Smith's ability to move inside would be a helpful factor. You gotta like how that side would be loaded up if Schoebel was lined up next to Smith, and I believe Cushing also rushes from that side as well.

The trick is determining if you can get the same production from Barwin. However, if Smith or Barwin were to get injured what do we have after that?

Section516
07-22-2010, 11:47 AM
Well Dallas runs a 3-4 also. So that leaves us as the only 4-3 defense. Schoebel would make a guy like Tim Bulman expendable. Once again, Smith's ability to move inside would be a helpful factor. You gotta like how that side would be loaded up if Schoebel was lined up next to Smith, and I believe Cushing also rushes from that side as well.

The trick is determining if you can get the same production from Barwin. However, if Smith or Barwin were to get injured what do we have after that?

Barwin standing up and rushing from the outside on a passing down with Smith inside, Schobel outside, Okoye/Mitchell inside, MW outside..

ubecool454
07-22-2010, 11:53 AM
Barwin standing up and rushing from the outside on a passing down with Smith inside, Schobel outside, Okoye/Mitchell inside, MW outside..

Nah , if Buffalo doesn't want him I don't either.

JB
07-22-2010, 11:56 AM
Nah , if Buffalo doesn't want him I don't either.

I don't think it's that Buffalo doesn't want him, he doesn't want Buffalo. And he thrived under Kollar and would be a terrific rotational player.

sometexansfan
07-22-2010, 12:06 PM
I don't think the Texans have the room for this guy.

The guy had 10 sacks last season, I say you make room. You can NEVER have enough pass rushers.

El Tejano
07-22-2010, 12:45 PM
^This. So let's have some fun. Who do we put on the block? I think you could put Bulman out there.

steelbtexan
07-22-2010, 12:58 PM
I would trade one of the surplus at DE (Bulman) or WR (A.Davis) and a 4th rd pick for Schobel..

10 sacks who not named Mario has ever had 10 sacks in a season?

Jackie Chiles
07-22-2010, 05:05 PM
Bill Kollar could give us an edge as well. He would be a nice addition for a year or two at least. Double digit sacks last year and he would get to play opposite Mario although almost certainly in a situational role. The only downside is he would probably take a lot of snaps from Barwin. Still, he makes us better this season so I would love it.

Dutchrudder
07-22-2010, 05:06 PM
I would trade one of the surplus at DE (Bulman) or WR (A.Davis) and a 4th rd pick for Schobel..

10 sacks who not named Mario has ever had 10 sacks in a season?

David Carr? He did it like every year.

TheRealJoker
07-22-2010, 05:08 PM
He would do great work for us. But depending on the price it would be tough to justify adding him to arguably the deepest unit on defense.

I guess you could move Smith inside full time, but then you risk the wear and tear from being an undersized DT reducing Smith's performance. Schobel would definitely help with the pass rush though...

Might even teach Mario a trick or two and would definitely qualify as a "quality vet" (which we need in a bad way).

Rey
07-22-2010, 05:34 PM
LOL @ there not being room for him.

This is a team that has struggled to get sacks...Having him as a rotational player, and pass rush specialist would be awesome. I don't think we are in the position where we can turn down production on the D-line...Unless the price is just too steep.

Texan4Ever
07-22-2010, 06:06 PM
^This. So let's have some fun. Who do we put on the block? I think you could put Bulman out there.


I hate to part with Bulman. He's a guy that I would like to see get more playing time because he puts in the effort and isn't a lazy bum like Okoye. Plus, I don't think he fits Buffalo's 4-3 scheme. I would probably trade Andre Davis or some defensive player like Kevin Bentley and maybe a draft pick.

steelbtexan
07-22-2010, 08:43 PM
He would do great work for us. But depending on the price it would be tough to justify adding him to arguably the deepest unit on defense.

I guess you could move Smith inside full time, but then you risk the wear and tear from being an undersized DT reducing Smith's performance. Schobel would definitely help with the pass rush though...

Might even teach Mario a trick or two and would definitely qualify as a "quality vet" (which we need in a bad way).

This

If Brisiel comes back healthy I would trade Studdard,A.Davis and a pick for Schobel.

PapaL
07-22-2010, 10:14 PM
David Carr? He did it like every year.

SCORE! :clown:

BigWig
07-23-2010, 08:47 AM
I have followed the whole Schobel clan because they are from Columbus and when they were babies my wife would babysit them. I eat at thier restaurant and have enjoyed meeting them at my relatives weddings. I am sad to see him go, I thoink he still has some left in his tank, and a Texas homecoming would be cool, then he could retire a Texan.

thunderkyss
07-23-2010, 09:05 AM
I hate to part with Bulman. He's a guy that I would like to see get more playing time because he puts in the effort and isn't a lazy bum like Okoye. Plus, I don't think he fits Buffalo's 4-3 scheme. I would probably trade Andre Davis or some defensive player like Kevin Bentley and maybe a draft pick.

T4E, no offense, but I pray GK & RSmith do not think this way. I pray Kollar is screaming in somebodies ear right now. Schobel is a quality vet. His 10 sacks are a lot like Mario's, he's not getting much help. I know we spent a lot of money on Antonio Smith, and I do like this guys motor, but he's just not finishing. I would start Shobel on the right side, and rotate him and Barwin. On the Left, I would start Mario and rotate Antonio.

Bulman, another great guy, but he's got to go, if we can pick up Schobel.
Or, you can cut a guy like Nading or Jamison if you value their youth (only 2 years compared to Bulman).

ChampionTexan
07-23-2010, 10:01 AM
I don't know what the real situation is with Schobel and the Bills, but if they really are mutually open to a parting of the ways, I would think a trade could be done without giving up too much on the Texans part.

As to whether it's a good idea, I think the concept that we should tread lightly because we already have Barwin and Antionio Smith is just silly. If he makes our pass rush better than it currently is, find a way to make it work - regardless of the short term impact on Barwin, or the effect on Smith or whatever. Having too much pass rushing talent is not a danger this team should be overly concerned about right now.

Hopefully, Smith and Kubes give this some serious consideration, and if they believe (as I do) that Schobel's got enough left in the tank to make it worth their while, they tell Bush and Kollar to come up with a creative way to make an acquisition work for us, and pursue this (if there really is anything to pursue that is).

infantrycak
07-23-2010, 10:15 AM
As to whether it's a good idea, I think the concept that we should tread lightly because we already have Barwin and Antionio Smith is just silly. If he makes our pass rush better than it currently is, find a way to make it work - regardless of the short term impact on Barwin, or the effect on Smith or whatever. Having too much pass rushing talent is not a danger this team should be overly concerned about right now.

Does he add anything over Barwin? It's one thing to look at 10 sacks but there is another number that is important - in how much play time.

Schobel - 10 sacks on 849 snaps
Barwin - 4.5 sacks on 369 snaps

El Tejano
07-23-2010, 10:15 AM
I think we should at least look into the deal. Yes, Antonio Smith could POSSIBLY have a great year but the proof is there that Schoebel has had many great years. Even if he were to get 8 sacks that would be productive for us.

El Tejano
07-23-2010, 11:10 AM
An Antonio Smith with someone looking over his shoulder may turn out to be a real good investment.

zanth91
07-23-2010, 11:58 AM
I'm sure Kollar would love to have him, even though there is proably little to no room on the roster for him at this point. I think we're good enough with Mario with Antonio as starters, and Barwin coming off them bench to pass rush. That's already a very good group.

JB
07-23-2010, 12:01 PM
I'm sure Kollar would love to have him, even though there is proably little to no room on the roster for him at this point. I think we're good enough with Mario with Antonio as starters, and Barwin coming off them bench to pass rush. That's already a very good group.

Yes it is. But any time you can add a 10+ sack guy, you should do it if feasible. Especially with the issues this team has had with sacks and pass coverage.

hookinreds
07-23-2010, 01:27 PM
Does he add anything over Barwin? It's one thing to look at 10 sacks but there is another number that is important - in how much play time.

Schobel - 10 sacks on 849 snaps without Mario on the other side
Barwin - 4.5 sacks on 369 snaps with Mario on the other side
added a couple factors into your evaluation

thunderkyss
07-23-2010, 01:44 PM
I'm sure Kollar would love to have him, even though there is proably little to no room on the roster for him at this point. I think we're good enough with Mario with Antonio as starters, and Barwin coming off them bench to pass rush. That's already a very good group.

I think Mario & Antonio play way too many snaps. Adding Schobel into the equation makes everyone better IMHO. Something Bullman, Nading & Jamison don't do.

Texan4Ever
07-23-2010, 01:57 PM
T4E, no offense, but I pray GK & RSmith do not think this way. I pray Kollar is screaming in somebodies ear right now. Schobel is a quality vet. His 10 sacks are a lot like Mario's, he's not getting much help. I know we spent a lot of money on Antonio Smith, and I do like this guys motor, but he's just not finishing. I would start Shobel on the right side, and rotate him and Barwin. On the Left, I would start Mario and rotate Antonio.

Bulman, another great guy, but he's got to go, if we can pick up Schobel.
Or, you can cut a guy like Nading or Jamison if you value their youth (only 2 years compared to Bulman).


I agree we should bring in Schobel but I would much rather trade some lower round picks and some special teams player to get him. Cut Nading but keep Jamison because the latter has good potential and a non-stop motor from what I saw when he was a DE at Michigan.

Schobel to me is like Barwin, there both the same in terms of HSW and would make good addittion to our D.

El Tejano
07-23-2010, 01:58 PM
I think Mario & Antonio play way too many snaps. Adding Schobel into the equation makes everyone better IMHO. Something Bullman, Nading & Jamison don't do.

That's true. A less tired Mario in the 4th quarter probably helps us a whole lot against Indy.

RagingBull
07-23-2010, 06:12 PM
Having a rotation of Mario, Barwin, A. Smith, and Schobel would be one of the strongest/deepest in the league IMHO. I would try to get rid of Andre Davis' overpriced contract and trade straight up. A. Davis is not a bad player, but should be getting paid more like Glen Martinez.

IF we had these four guys, we really would only need maybe one more DE on the roster. Now if we could just get a DT rotation like that too...

Maddict5
07-24-2010, 05:36 PM
An Antonio Smith with someone looking over his shoulder may turn out to be a real good investment.

???

fwiw PFF ratings suggest he was pretty consistently against run and pass

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=&season=2009&pos=DE3&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

ChampionTexan
08-02-2010, 01:21 PM
Tweet from Jason LaCanfora:
Aaron Schobel was informed of the Bills' intent to release him and he is very much interested in talking to other teams as a free agent

LINK (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/20149889078)

I'll say what I said before - I don't see the Texans in imminent danger of possessing too much pass rushing ability. I'm hoping they look into it.

Hooston Texan
08-02-2010, 02:12 PM
My guess is Schobel wants to come here badly. He lives in Columbus, needs to play in a 4-3 (Buffalo's going the 3-4 route, evidently), and was Kollar's prize pupil for years.

I see no reason not to bring him in if he's a free agent unless he's demanding huge money. He is a proven pass rusher who could plug right into our system.

On the downside, he's 33 and we already have what we hope is the 23-year-old version of him in Connor Barwin. But we can't count on Mario, Barwin and Smith taking every snap at DE. And if Mario's hip is going to be a problem, we could do alot worse for another option than a guy who's averaged nearly 10 sacks a season (throwing out his injury-limited year in 2008) for his career.

Tailgate
08-02-2010, 02:13 PM
Totally. I would like this move. Gives us just that much more flexibility and would not have to rely on Barwin "breaking out" as much.

Goldensilence
08-02-2010, 02:18 PM
*sigh*

Just not going to happen unless the FO is willing to demote Barwin to the fourth DE spot. I just don't see that happening though, still early but I think they have a lot of expectations for their gamble on taking him.