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badboy
07-21-2010, 10:07 AM
Most of us seem excited about the possibilities of having a very good running game and have mentioned the areas of improvement a quality back can impact. Greater protection of QB, not just blocking but offering an avenue to get rid of the ball safely without suffering a fumble or injury. We all saw what a healthy Matt can do. A quality back makes the offensive line better and many of us are aware of this suspect area. A running game opens up the passing game and historically that has been Kubiak's philosophy. A quality back can keep the opposing offense off the field and also our defense; allowing our players to be stronger late in game. Over all, a quality back pays huge dividends, especially when the other backs on the roster were not doing very well.

My question is if Tate, Slaton or Foster or all meet expectations giving us at least one (and maybe three) quality backs, how will fans react? Of course all will be excited and pleased. Will we let bygones be bygones and the lack of a recently successfull RB (one year of Slaton is noted) slowly fade from our memory or will we burn with anger and maybe disgust that Kubes and Smith did not do all they could to bring this important part of the chess board to the table two drafts ago?

We have touched on this in other threads but if we have a very much improved running game (ala Schaub over David Carr) as the season progresses will fans question Kubiak's decision making in this regard?

MightyTExan
07-21-2010, 10:25 AM
*prays to football gods that all RB's are healthy by game 1.*

badboy
07-21-2010, 11:13 AM
*prays to football gods that all RB's are healthy by game 1.*Sure but what do you think about my topic? Will fans gripe like they did when Schaub became a very good player compared to Carr or just be glad RBs are doing well?

m5kwatts
07-21-2010, 11:27 AM
Sure but what do you think about my topic? Will fans gripe like they did when Schaub became a very good player compared to Carr or just be glad RBs are doing well?

I thought the controversy you might be referring to was possible discontent over snaps between those 3. In that case, I don't think you can have enough good RBs on your roster. They'll all get touches and if they all 3 do prove to be effective you can bet we'll be running the ball a lot more.

And I'd be more than happy if we have griping fans, if that means we're running the ball well its a worthy trade.

Rey
07-21-2010, 11:35 AM
I would love some controversy at the RB position.

TheRealJoker
07-21-2010, 11:37 AM
Sure but what do you think about my topic? Will fans gripe like they did when Schaub became a very good player compared to Carr or just be glad RBs are doing well?

If the RBs are successful I would venture to guess that we are winning more games. Why would fans complain about winning after so many years of losing/mediocrity?

hookinreds
07-21-2010, 11:42 AM
Everybody is getting the right amount of carries, catches, passes when we are winning. When a team starts loosing, that’s when we start trying to figure out who should have take a couple more carries here and there, and who’s not getting targeted enough on 3rd and long. There will be fan favorites right of the chute of course, but if the coaching staff makes the right decisions and the 3 headed monster emerges, there will be little to complain about.

buddyboy
07-21-2010, 11:44 AM
I'm not sure people are actually reading the OP for comprehension...

hookinreds
07-21-2010, 11:51 AM
Ah....yes, I think we would be angry that we didn't have a solid RB core before now. I think they got what they were looking for out of Slaton when they drafted him, and took it in the man region when he didn't produce last season. Keeping old wornout/injured RB's like they had been doing on the roster still blows my mind. Hopefully with this batch of RBs the worm will turn.

Rey
07-21-2010, 11:53 AM
I can't be angry at them trying something and failing when overall they have consitently improved the team. It seems as if they have learned from some of their past mistakes as well.

I'd be happy we had production from that spot, not upset because they didn't solve it earlier.

CloakNNNdagger
07-21-2010, 12:02 PM
*prays to football gods that all RB's are healthy by game 1.*


I hope we break the curse, but somehow, even with only limited talent, every year we have fallen to the prey of "natural selection." If all three survive camp, preseason and regular season.....and perform well.......I think we just might be able to overcome the new "curse of too good and too plentiful.":tiphat:

beerlover
07-21-2010, 12:05 PM
Texans run the ball to set-up the pass or pass the ball to set-up the run? teams will be more confused because Texans offense has some balance to it along with emerging playmakers :juggle:

TimeKiller
07-21-2010, 12:24 PM
For obvious reasons, RB's have the shortest shelf life of all players. So in building a team through the draft, theoretically it should one of the last positions that get a wave of attention like RB has had this past year and a half or so. They really focused on getting talented guys in the trenches, mainly on D but it's hard to ignore the 1st round pick, 2 3rd round picks and 2 6th round picks set to start again next year for the OL, much less the slew of mid round TEs to bookend the OL.

The front 7 on D has a #1, #10, #15 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, a 3rd, a couple 4th round LBers, a 5th (if Okam makes the team), and a 7th to go with a big FA signing and a few smaller gap filling type signings.

It isn't real hard to see how the team has been built. DL/OL/LB get the bulk of the high round picks, TE, DT, WR, CB have dominated the lower rounds with a RB here and a S there just for kicks.

In short, no, I don't think anyone will be upset if we turn out a 1,200 yard rusher. And hell, with the turn around at RB (on paper anyway)....maybe signs of other extremely weak positions getting run like....FREE ****ING SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

b0ng
07-21-2010, 01:13 PM
My question is if Tate, Slaton or Foster or all meet expectations giving us at least one (and maybe three) quality backs, how will fans react? Of course all will be excited and pleased. Will we let bygones be bygones and the lack of a recently successfull RB (one year of Slaton is noted) slowly fade from our memory or will we burn with anger and maybe disgust that Kubes and Smith did not do all they could to bring this important part of the chess board to the table two drafts ago?

Fans will be overjoyed at the advent of a running game, and the only thing that would be worth griping about is who gets the lions share of the carries. No way do we have 3 running backs that get 100 carries and 500 yards for the season. That'd just be weird.

disaacks3
07-21-2010, 01:22 PM
I'm not sure people are actually reading the OP for comprehension... I think everyone was in shock at the prospect of an effective running game.

Fans will be overjoyed at the advent of a running game, and the only thing that would be worth griping about is who gets the lions share of the carries. No way do we have 3 running backs that get 100 carries and 500 yards for the season. That'd just be weird. Me too, I'd be happy to forgive & forget if the Texans can finally get it together. Even a mediocre running game to complement our passing game could make the Texans a top 4 in the AFC team.

beerlover
07-21-2010, 01:24 PM
Fans will be overjoyed at the advent of a running game, and the only thing that would be worth griping about is who gets the lions share of the carries. No way do we have 3 running backs that get 100 carries and 500 yards for the season. That'd just be weird.

that's only about 3.0 yards per carry, even below historic average of 3.875 yards per carry & 1661 total yards rushing per season
2009 3.5 avg, ranked 30th 1475
2008 4.3 avg, ranked 13th 1846
2007 3.8 avg, ranked 22nd 1586
2006 3.9 avg, ranked 21st 1687
2005 4.2 avg, ranked 15th 1816
2004 3.9 avg, ranked 12th 1882
2003 3.9 avg, ranked 23rd 1651
2002 3.2 avg, ranked 31st 1347

gary
07-21-2010, 01:34 PM
I'll just be happy about seeing some production out of the running game finnally.

badboy
07-21-2010, 01:40 PM
If the RBs are successful I would venture to guess that we are winning more games. Why would fans complain about winning after so many years of losing/mediocrity?Yes, I think fans would complain. We quickly adjust to "good times" and find things to ***** about. Looking at my own point of view, I was very upset a RB was not drafted two drafts ago and if Tate is successfull as I think he will be, I will wonder how much better last season would have gone with a good back in the back field. It would have proven my point, that Kubes should call me for advice. lol

Texecutioner
07-21-2010, 01:43 PM
Most of us seem excited about the possibilities of having a very good running game and have mentioned the areas of improvement a quality back can impact. Greater protection of QB, not just blocking but offering an avenue to get rid of the ball safely without suffering a fumble or injury. We all saw what a healthy Matt can do. A quality back makes the offensive line better and many of us are aware of this suspect area. A running game opens up the passing game and historically that has been Kubiak's philosophy. A quality back can keep the opposing offense off the field and also our defense; allowing our players to be stronger late in game. Over all, a quality back pays huge dividends, especially when the other backs on the roster were not doing very well.

My question is if Tate, Slaton or Foster or all meet expectations giving us at least one (and maybe three) quality backs, how will fans react? Of course all will be excited and pleased. Will we let bygones be bygones and the lack of a recently successfull RB (one year of Slaton is noted) slowly fade from our memory or will we burn with anger and maybe disgust that Kubes and Smith did not do all they could to bring this important part of the chess board to the table two drafts ago?

We have touched on this in other threads but if we have a very much improved running game (ala Schaub over David Carr) as the season progresses will fans question Kubiak's decision making in this regard?

Well with Kubiak's bone headed decisions to play Green and Brown over the last two seasons, I'd probably expect that to happen. Hell, Kubes didn't even want to play Foster until the end of last season.

However, I don't think this is going to be anything to worry about. I think this will be a good problem to have. I think that all of these guys will be effective RB's.

ThaShark316
07-21-2010, 01:43 PM
The pessimistic ones will complain.

Most of us will be hoping a praying for a Carolina Panthers type rushing attack.

ubecool454
07-21-2010, 01:44 PM
I would love some controversy at the RB position.

With a third down back like Slaton, a hungry UDFA like Foster and a rookie trying to prove he is a NFL player.....I doubt we will have a problem with a RB controversy as to who should get the bulk of the carries. If we had 3 good vets we could have a problem.

HOU-TEX
07-21-2010, 02:23 PM
I'll just be happy about seeing some production out of the running game finnally.

This about sums it up for me too, Gary. I was very surprised our play action was that successful last year with how bogus the running game was. Just imagine how good it will be if we run the ball well. It'd probably be downright sickening.

Seeing AJ or JJ running all alone down field due to DB's biting on the run is like a thing of beauty.

drs23
07-21-2010, 02:27 PM
The pessimistic ones will complain.

Most of us will be hoping a praying for a Carolina Panthers type rushing attack.

I would be very pleased and personally don't think there'd be anything to complain about.

But I do agree, there are a few here that will find something, even when Matt's holding the Lombardi Trophy above his head :bat:

Texanmike02
07-21-2010, 03:50 PM
Ah....yes, I think we would be angry that we didn't have a solid RB core before now. I think they got what they were looking for out of Slaton when they drafted him, and took it in the man region when he didn't produce last season. Keeping old wornout/injured RB's like they had been doing on the roster still blows my mind. Hopefully with this batch of RBs the worm will turn.

I don't know. I'd go back a couple of years when we signed green. I was against it but I felt like that is the last piece you add to your team. It is a critical piece with a relatively short lifespan. We've got some secondary and maybe a position or two on the DL to add left if we want a legit chance at a superbowl... that's one more year before we're really ready for a run. If we draft a guy at 22, he's 26 before we're ready to make runs. What's that 4 runs at a ring with that must have player. Now we've got tate for what 8 years?

If their slow plodding way of building a team starts a tradition of winning... i'm all for it.

Mike

badboy
07-21-2010, 04:13 PM
For obvious reasons, RB's have the shortest shelf life of all players. So in building a team through the draft, theoretically it should one of the last positions that get a wave of attention like RB has had this past year and a half or so. They really focused on getting talented guys in the trenches, mainly on D but it's hard to ignore the 1st round pick, 2 3rd round picks and 2 6th round picks set to start again next year for the OL, much less the slew of mid round TEs to bookend the OL.

The front 7 on D has a #1, #10, #15 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, a 3rd, a couple 4th round LBers, a 5th (if Okam makes the team), and a 7th to go with a big FA signing and a few smaller gap filling type signings.

It isn't real hard to see how the team has been built. DL/OL/LB get the bulk of the high round picks, TE, DT, WR, CB have dominated the lower rounds with a RB here and a S there just for kicks.

In short, no, I don't think anyone will be upset if we turn out a 1,200 yard rusher. And hell, with the turn around at RB (on paper anyway)....maybe signs of other extremely weak positions getting run like....FREE ****ING SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Now there you go pushing my buttons. You have to know I have been screaming for a true free safety for years. I was trying to remain calm in this thread while discussing another of my pet peeves (or RANT if you prefer) and you had to bring up a sore spot. ARGGH!!

badboy
07-21-2010, 04:19 PM
This about sums it up for me too, Gary. I was very surprised our play action was that successful last year with how bogus the running game was. Just imagine how good it will be if we run the ball well. It'd probably be downright sickening.

Seeing AJ or JJ running all alone down field due to DB's biting on the run is like a thing of beauty.Here is a prediction: JJ joins AJ in pro bowl.

drs23
07-21-2010, 07:26 PM
I don't know. I'd go back a couple of years when we signed green. I was against it but I felt like that is the last piece you add to your team. It is a critical piece with a relatively short lifespan. We've got some secondary and maybe a position or two on the DL to add left if we want a legit chance at a superbowl... that's one more year before we're really ready for a run. If we draft a guy at 22, he's 26 before we're ready to make runs. What's that 4 runs at a ring with that must have player. Now we've got tate for what 8 years?

If their slow plodding way of building a team starts a tradition of winning... i'm all for it.
Mike

I'm in Mike. I think this org. is setting up to be on top for a while, not just one year wonders. Hope I'm/we're right. Can't wait to have a sore throat from yelling good things instead of bad at what's going on on the field.

Insideop
07-21-2010, 10:20 PM
Yes, I think fans would complain. We quickly adjust to "good times" and find things to ***** about.

This.

The pessimistic ones will complain.

This.

But I do agree, there are a few here that will find something, even when Matt's holding the Lombardi Trophy above his head

And definitely this!

b0ng
07-21-2010, 11:07 PM
that's only about 3.0 yards per carry, even below historic average of 3.875 yards per carry & 1661 total yards rushing per season
2009 3.5 avg, ranked 30th 1475
2008 4.3 avg, ranked 13th 1846
2007 3.8 avg, ranked 22nd 1586
2006 3.9 avg, ranked 21st 1687
2005 4.2 avg, ranked 15th 1816
2004 3.9 avg, ranked 12th 1882
2003 3.9 avg, ranked 23rd 1651
2002 3.2 avg, ranked 31st 1347


300 carries for 1500 yards comes out to a 5.0 YPC guy. Yes it is lower than straight rushing numbers, but that doesn't include QB carries and WR carries, just RB.

EDIT: Also, if our backs were getting only 300 carries total for the season and were all getting 5.0 YPC people would probably be pissed.

thunderkyss
07-22-2010, 12:10 AM
My question is if Tate, Slaton or Foster or all meet expectations giving us at least one (and maybe three) quality backs, how will fans react? Of course all will be excited and pleased. Will we let bygones be bygones and the lack of a recently successfull RB (one year of Slaton is noted) slowly fade from our memory or will we burn with anger and maybe disgust that Kubes and Smith did not do all they could to bring this important part of the chess board to the table two drafts ago?

We have touched on this in other threads but if we have a very much improved running game (ala Schaub over David Carr) as the season progresses will fans question Kubiak's decision making in this regard?

There isn't a coach in the NFL that does everything the way I would prefer them to. Bellichick, Wade, Payton, Shanahan, Turner... none of them are perfect.

I would have brought Foster into the game more, or leaned a little more on Moats. But when every game turned into the most important game of our franchise's history I can understand why he did, what he did. I don't agree with it, but I do see why.

IMHO, the most important thing a coach can do, is teach our young players how to be successful. If he can't do that, then it doesn't matter what game time decisions he makes, and there are way too many coaches who do not teach their players how to be successful. We have a lot of individuals whose personal stats put them with the best in the league.

Lucky
07-22-2010, 02:36 AM
Will we let bygones be bygones and the lack of a recently successfull RB (one year of Slaton is noted) slowly fade from our memory or will we burn with anger and maybe disgust that Kubes and Smith did not do all they could to bring this important part of the chess board to the table two drafts ago?
No one is burning in anger over draft decisions. There are fans who are disgusted with the lack of real progress. If the Texans become championship contenders, there will be no controversy regarding passing on Shonn Greene in the 2009 draft. If the Texans fail to develop into a playoff team, fans will look for reasons why. That's the nature of the beast.

badboy
07-22-2010, 09:48 AM
There isn't a coach in the NFL that does everything the way I would prefer them to. Bellichick, Wade, Payton, Shanahan, Turner... none of them are perfect.

I would have brought Foster into the game more, or leaned a little more on Moats. But when every game turned into the most important game of our franchise's history I can understand why he did, what he did. I don't agree with it, but I do see why.

IMHO, the most important thing a coach can do, is teach our young players how to be successful. If he can't do that, then it doesn't matter what game time decisions he makes, and there are way too many coaches who do not teach their players how to be successful. We have a lot of individuals whose personal stats put them with the best in the league.I'm pretty good with the coaches Gary has now in place. Do you feel comfortable they will be able teach the young players how to succed while at the same time encourage the vets to lead? I do.

badboy
07-22-2010, 09:58 AM
No one is burning in anger over draft decisions. There are fans who are disgusted with the lack of real progress. If the Texans become championship contenders, there will be no controversy regarding passing on Shonn Greene in the 2009 draft. If the Texans fail to develop into a playoff team, fans will look for reasons why. That's the nature of the beast.I will respectfully disagree with the bolded. I for one was very angry that we selected another DE (Conner Barwin ) rather than Shonn Greene (Jets #65-3rd round) or Glenn Coffee (SF #74 3rd). Was I mollified that Barwin had a good year? Somewhat because Green did also and imo would have made a better impact for Texans than Barwin. I am not advocating we do not move on but I do continue to think not selecting one of the two RBs noted was an error. I am also very concerned that Kareem Jackson will turn out to be a similar error. Barwin and Jackson are now Texans and I root for them.

thunderkyss
07-22-2010, 02:21 PM
I'm pretty good with the coaches Gary has now in place. Do you feel comfortable they will be able teach the young players how to succed while at the same time encourage the vets to lead? I do.

Since our young guys are becoming our vets, yes, I have no doubt.

Corrosion
07-22-2010, 08:36 PM
My question is if Tate, Slaton or Foster or all meet expectations

<condensed>

We have touched on this in other threads but if we have a very much improved running game (ala Schaub over David Carr) as the season progresses will fans question Kubiak's decision making in this regard?

The roster two seasons ago had a lot of holes in it . Running backs have a short shelf life. Considering that tidbit , bringing in a back , paying him and wearing him down during the past two seasons .... I'd rather fill in the holes at other positions then bring in the RB because of the shelf life of a back in the NFL.

steelbtexan
07-22-2010, 08:48 PM
The roster two seasons ago had a lot of wholes in it . Running backs have a short shelf life. Considering that tidbit , bringing in a back , paying him and wearing him down during the past two seasons .... I'd rather fill in the holes at other positions then bring in the RB because of the shelf life of a back in the NFL.

This

And the fact the OL still hasn't been fixed.(IMHO) After 9 yrs of waiting/hoping.

CloakNNNdagger
07-22-2010, 10:33 PM
This

And the fact the OL still hasn't been fixed.(IMHO) After 9 yrs of waiting/hoping.

........and paying.:kitten:

steelbtexan
07-22-2010, 10:52 PM
........and paying.:kitten:

Are you talking about

A.Emotionally
B.$$$$$
C.Thru the nose
D.All of the above

I believe we have a winner Alex $2000 on a daily double








WAIT




















D.All of the above.......... LOL

rush2112mn
07-23-2010, 02:10 PM
I will be happy if running game is improved over last year........

badboy
07-23-2010, 03:28 PM
This

And the fact the OL still hasn't been fixed.(IMHO) After 9 yrs of waiting/hoping.But we did not get an offensive lineman in 2nd we got another DE so to me that is not a valid response. We selected Caldwell in 3rd to supposedly address your concern. Now if you are saying we should have taken an OL in 2nd and 3rd or some variation that is another possibility just not my point. As many are saying Caldwell will start at RG, Kubes may have draft well in 3rd to disprove your point.

badboy
07-23-2010, 03:48 PM
The roster two seasons ago had a lot of holes in it . Running backs have a short shelf life. Considering that tidbit , bringing in a back , paying him and wearing him down during the past two seasons .... I'd rather fill in the holes at other positions then bring in the RB because of the shelf life of a back in the NFL.Look at what you said again. Barwin and Shonn Greene were draft 2 drafts but only one season ago. Greene would have one year of "wear" but could have made that Oline, QB and WR even better. Greene would have most likely 2-3 more seasons. Yes, maybe less but maybe a lot more. If we did not have to draft Tate in 2nd and have Foster and a hopefully 100% Slaton at his rookie weight, who could we have had in the 2nd to better the roster?

Pat Angerer LB, John Asamoah OG, Morgan Burnett S, Major Wright S, Chad Jones S, JD Walton C, Mike Johnson LG.

steelbtexan
07-24-2010, 10:56 AM
But we did not get an offensive lineman in 2nd we got another DE so to me that is not a valid response. We selected Caldwell in 3rd to supposedly address your concern. Now if you are saying we should have taken an OL in 2nd and 3rd or some variation that is another possibility just not my point. As many are saying Caldwell will start at RG, Kubes may have draft well in 3rd to disprove your point.

I get what you're saying. But I dont care if they drafted all OL/DL for the entire draft. The fundamental flaw with the Smithiak plan is the Texans haven't fixed the interior OL/DL and until they do the team are just going to be pretenders. IMHO

There is 9 yrs of evidence to back up my position.

Carr Bombed
07-24-2010, 04:59 PM
Look at what you said again. Barwin and Shonn Greene were draft 2 drafts but only one season ago. Greene would have one year of "wear" but could have made that Oline, QB and WR even better. Greene would have most likely 2-3 more seasons. Yes, maybe less but maybe a lot more. If we did not have to draft Tate in 2nd and have Foster and a hopefully 100% Slaton at his rookie weight, who could we have had in the 2nd to better the roster?

Pat Angerer LB, John Asamoah OG, Morgan Burnett S, Major Wright S, Chad Jones S, JD Walton C, Mike Johnson LG.

You can make this post about the previous year's draft after any season. It's hindsight........and how would Chad Jones helped us? I doubt he ever gets on a NFL football field.

With what we have now, I'll take a prospect like Cannor Barwin over Shonn Greene. We have 3 young talented backs and the current guy who's slotted to start is a UDFA....it's a cheap position. Rarely do you ever find someone with Barwin's athletic ability outside of the 1st round.

Also you have to remember that the NY Jets have the best offensive line in the entire league......They open up holes that Stacey Mack could run through. (That's the reason why the two best years Thomas Jones recorded were in NY) If I was to redo the Barwin pick, it wouldn't be for Shonn Greene......I would take Max Unger, who would solidify the interior line play of this team.

Maddict5
07-24-2010, 05:27 PM
so.. just realised the texans are the only team in the nfl never to have had a 200 yd game rusher. what are the chances of it happening this season? i say 3%

Dutchrudder
07-24-2010, 05:31 PM
so.. just realised the texans are the only team in the nfl never to have had a 200 yd game rusher. what are the chances of it happening this season? i say 3%
I think moats set the team record for rushingin one game. Like 155 yards in the buffalo game.

DexmanC
07-24-2010, 06:05 PM
If you look at Steve Slaton's tape on youtube, when he came out of
college, he was what we thought he would be. Steve can KILL
you if he has space.

Watching Ben Tate's tape, the dude just screams "BEAST." The
guy destroyed the SEC with his power, and he has the speed to
hit the home run.

Foster, in comparison, is this year's Ryan Moats. Arian is not as devoid
of talent as Darius Walker, but he doesn't have that "special" quality
that both Slaton and Tate have.

I honestly can't wait till August 14, when we get some game film
on all of these guys.

Matt Schaub + Andre Johnson + Jacoby Jones + Kevin Walter + OD (if healthy) +
Slaton & Tate /w Foster = Incredible Offensive Production

If the defense doesn't fall asleep for 4 weeks, and fall apart against divisional opponents,
then what Tony Dungy said at the start of last season could ring true about the Texans:

"I think the Texans are a confidence piece away from becoming a dominant team."

redwhiteANDblue
07-24-2010, 06:36 PM
I was too lazy to start a new thread just to show a vid so I'm going to post it here.

It's about Ben Tate and I found it interesting. It's nice to see people think of Ben as the 3rd best back in the draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZabNMOo3v_4

Carr Bombed
07-24-2010, 06:47 PM
I think moats set the team record for rushingin one game. Like 155 yards in the buffalo game.

Moats only had 126 yards against the Bills.

Slaton had 156 yards against the Colts his rookie season and Ron Dayne had 153 rushing yards against them in '06.

badboy
07-26-2010, 02:22 PM
You can make this post about the previous year's draft after any season. It's hindsight........and how would Chad Jones helped us? I doubt he ever gets on a NFL football field.

With what we have now, I'll take a prospect like Cannor Barwin over Shonn Greene. We have 3 young talented backs and the current guy who's slotted to start is a UDFA....it's a cheap position. Rarely do you ever find someone with Barwin's athletic ability outside of the 1st round.

Also you have to remember that the NY Jets have the best offensive line in the entire league......They open up holes that Stacey Mack could run through. (That's the reason why the two best years Thomas Jones recorded were in NY) If I was to redo the Barwin pick, it wouldn't be for Shonn Greene......I would take Max Unger, who would solidify the interior line play of this team.Okay, Unger in 2nd, who in 3rd? I think more RBs are successful in their first season than OL. Chad Jones is the exact type safety Kubiak likes that can play FS or SS. Anyway, here comes training camp.

beerlover
07-27-2010, 02:36 AM
You can make this post about the previous year's draft after any season. It's hindsight........and how would Chad Jones helped us? I doubt he ever gets on a NFL football field.

With what we have now, I'll take a prospect like Cannor Barwin over Shonn Greene. We have 3 young talented backs and the current guy who's slotted to start is a UDFA....it's a cheap position. Rarely do you ever find someone with Barwin's athletic ability outside of the 1st round.

Also you have to remember that the NY Jets have the best offensive line in the entire league......They open up holes that Stacey Mack could run through. (That's the reason why the two best years Thomas Jones recorded were in NY) If I was to redo the Barwin pick, it wouldn't be for Shonn Greene......I would take Max Unger, who would solidify the interior line play of this team.

I would like to have multiple seconds like New England works to get then we could just draft all of these guys mentioned, now that would be killer :spin:

badboy
07-27-2010, 10:45 AM
If you look at Steve Slaton's tape on youtube, when he came out of
college, he was what we thought he would be. Steve can KILL
you if he has space.

Watching Ben Tate's tape, the dude just screams "BEAST." The
guy destroyed the SEC with his power, and he has the speed to
hit the home run.

Foster, in comparison, is this year's Ryan Moats. Arian is not as devoid
of talent as Darius Walker, but he doesn't have that "special" quality
that both Slaton and Tate have.

I honestly can't wait till August 14, when we get some game film
on all of these guys.

Matt Schaub + Andre Johnson + Jacoby Jones + Kevin Walter + OD (if healthy) +
Slaton & Tate /w Foster = Incredible Offensive Production

If the defense doesn't fall asleep for 4 weeks, and fall apart against divisional opponents,
then what Tony Dungy said at the start of last season could ring true about the Texans:

"I think the Texans are a confidence piece away from becoming a dominant team."I think Foster will do very well in ZBS. Once he gets going he should be hard to bring down. He has a few games behind him now and should have more confidence that he is an NFL player. This RB squad could be very, very exciting to watch especially if our Oline improves as it should.

beerlover
07-27-2010, 01:17 PM
You know what I really liked about the Ben Tate pick, other than the fact I was in his corner early on to go in the 2nd rd., was Rick Smith learned something from the 2009 draft, he learned that to get one of the top tier NFL sized power backs he had to bite the bullet one round earlier than maybe he wanted otherwise a player like Shaun Greene or Glenn Coffee will be off the board. In a sense without admitting he made a mistake last year he corrected his apporach & this time addressed priority needs with bpa, thats really all we can ask. Understand he is not signed yet, but they should be close maybe in the next week then he can start earning the return on their investment.

badboy
07-27-2010, 05:28 PM
You know what I really liked about the Ben Tate pick, other than the fact I was in his corner early on to go in the 2nd rd., was Rick Smith learned something from the 2009 draft, he learned that to get one of the top tier NFL sized power backs he had to bite the bullet one round earlier than maybe he wanted otherwise a player like Shaun Greene or Glenn Coffee will be off the board. In a sense without admitting he made a mistake last year he corrected his apporach & this time addressed priority needs with bpa, thats really all we can ask. Understand he is not signed yet, but they should be close maybe in the next week then he can start earning the return on their investment.I think you are on to something and why I posted thread. I guess it will take me awhile to get past Shonn Greene.

beerlover
07-27-2010, 05:55 PM
I think you are on to something and why I posted thread. I guess it will take me awhile to get past Shonn Greene.

Novemeber 24th the Texans w/Ben Tate & Co. face the New York Jets & Shonn Greene. It will be a revenge game, hopefully with both teams in playoff contention making comparison of stats very interesting :cool:

ATXtexanfan
07-27-2010, 06:19 PM
You know what I really liked about the Ben Tate pick, other than the fact I was in his corner early on to go in the 2nd rd., was Rick Smith learned something from the 2009 draft, he learned that to get one of the top tier NFL sized power backs he had to bite the bullet one round earlier than maybe he wanted otherwise a player like Shaun Greene or Glenn Coffee will be off the board. In a sense without admitting he made a mistake last year he corrected his apporach & this time addressed priority needs with bpa, thats really all we can ask. Understand he is not signed yet, but they should be close maybe in the next week then he can start earning the return on their investment.

nice post, i'm expecting good things from tate. wasn't big on coffee but greene went to the right team

badboy
07-28-2010, 05:12 PM
nice post, i'm expecting good things from tate. wasn't big on coffee but greene went to the right teamI want to clarify I am ok with Tate and think Foster will be power back I've wanted for years. Just started thread wondering what we could have drafted this season if we had taken Greene.

JB
07-28-2010, 06:33 PM
I want to clarify I am ok with Tate and think Foster will be power back I've wanted for years. Just started thread wondering what we could have drafted this season if we had taken Greene.

If we would have taken him with our 2nd last year? We probably would have taken Dunlap this year.

Barwin/Tate > Greene/Dunlap...IMO.

PHAROAH
07-29-2010, 01:10 PM
Steve Slaton will bounce back to form and if Ben Tate can come in and help with the load I think that the Texans running game will be fine and having Foster as the 3rd back helps with depth. The key is going to be how well Slaton plays due to the fact that he is the only back on the roster to carry the load for a full season. If Steve Slaton doesn't have a really good season look for the Texans to be drafting for a running back in the 1st round next season if the running game doesn't get better, I hope and think that we will look really good this season running the ball.


Go Texans!!!!!

thunderkyss
08-03-2010, 12:44 PM
You know what I really liked about the Ben Tate pick, other than the fact I was in his corner early on to go in the 2nd rd., was Rick Smith learned something from the 2009 draft, he learned that to get one of the top tier NFL sized power backs he had to bite the bullet one round earlier than maybe he wanted otherwise a player like Shaun Greene or Glenn Coffee will be off the board. In a sense without admitting he made a mistake last year he corrected his apporach & this time addressed priority needs with bpa, thats really all we can ask. Understand he is not signed yet, but they should be close maybe in the next week then he can start earning the return on their investment.

I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure Rick Smith knows how to work the draft. It's possible that he & Gary didn't have a target on Shaun Greene or Glenn Coffee like the one they had on Tate.

You know, maybe they were like, " if they are there in the third, we'll grab one of them." Then with Tate, it was like, "don't screw around, pull the trigger."

Remember, it was said they might not have seen a difference between Greene & Coffee than what they saw & liked in Foster (who they signed to a contract early last season) and Jeremiah Johnson. I think if there weren't so much pressure on Kubiak to win last year, we would have seen both a lot more of Foster and some of JJ last year.

76Texan
08-03-2010, 01:04 PM
I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure Rick Smith knows how to work the draft. It's possible that he & Gary didn't have a target on Shaun Greene or Glenn Coffee like the one they had on Tate.

You know, maybe they were like, " if they are there in the third, we'll grab one of them." Then with Tate, it was like, "don't screw around, pull the trigger."

Remember, it was said they might not have seen a difference between Greene & Coffee than what they saw & liked in Foster (who they signed to a contract early last season) and Jeremiah Johnson. I think if there weren't so much pressure on Kubiak to win last year, we would have seen both a lot more of Foster and some of JJ last year.

I like Greene and Coffee both, but I'm very glad that we drafted Tate.
He will make me forget the other two easily (knock on wood).
And it's not like they were terrors on the field last year.

Coffee averaged 2.7 ypc
Greene lost 3 fumbles in 108 carries - that's terrible (and surprisingly, has yet to catch a pass).

thunderkyss
08-03-2010, 01:15 PM
I like Greene and Coffee both, but I'm very glad that we drafted Tate.


Coffee averaged 2.7 ypc
Greene lost 3 fumbles in 108 carries - that's terrible (and surprisingly, has yet to catch a pass).

I'm just thinking maybe Kubiak & Smith didn't see those guys as "their type."

Like passing on Hayden to get Jackson... y'know?