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mariowillshine15
07-14-2010, 02:08 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?page=FootballOutsiders2010OrganizationalRank ings

1. Houston Texans
Not only are the Texans at the top of our rankings, but they could be even further ahead of the pack if we included players who are currently 25 and turn 26 before September 1. That would allow us to add star middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans to the Texans' haul. Even without him, though, the Texans are downright spoiled for talent. No one can match their one-two punch of Mario Williams and Brian Cushing, the best young players at their respective positions in the NFL. Add Ryans into the mix, and the Texans have three guys in their starting 11 who should be starting in the Pro Bowl every year. They're that good.

Those three players aren't the only talents on defense, either. Defensive tackle Amobi Okoye has been inconsistent as a pro, but consider that he's just 23; Okoye is more than six months younger than Ndamukong Suh, who hasn't played a pro down. Safety Bernard Pollard was gifted by the Chiefs and immediately shored up the team's biggest weakness. The versatile Connor Barwin had 4.5 sacks in limited time last year. Zac Diles benefited from playing alongside two elite linebackers, but held his own in coverage on the weak side. The team may start second-year corner Glover Quin across from rookie Kareem Jackson and would not regret it. The Texans go deep. Throw in their troika of young running backs, led by Steve Slaton, and Houston is an organization at the peak of its developmental work. General manager Rick Smith doesn't get much attention nationwide, but since he took over for Charlie Casserly in 2006, it's hard to find anyone who's identified and acquired young talent as well as Smith has.

HJam72
07-14-2010, 02:19 PM
How old is Rick Smith? 30? LOL

Tailgate
07-14-2010, 02:28 PM
Awesome

BIG TORO
07-14-2010, 02:35 PM
Man I'm ready for this season to start!:kingkong:

TheRealJoker
07-14-2010, 03:38 PM
This is something we already knew. Unfortunately, we are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of veteran leadership from the players to the FO which has prevented us from making the next step.

In the Free Agency era we need to strike a better balance of youth and experience if we hope to build a dynasty.

dalemurphy
07-14-2010, 03:53 PM
This is something we already knew. Unfortunately, we are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of veteran leadership from the players to the FO which has prevented us from making the next step.

In the Free Agency era we need to strike a better balance of youth and experience if we hope to build a dynasty.

Just because you are sexually frustrated doesn't mean you have to bring the rest of us down!

We are actually taking a path similar to the Eagles, Ravens, Oilers/Titans, Indianapolis...

all these teams struggled with mediocrity despite a lot of young talent. They frustrated the fanbase with mediocrity until the core of the team matured. We've taken a similar route. And, now, guys like Schaub, AJ, Demeco, Mario, Pollard, Winston, Brown, Walter, OD should be at a place to lead the team as veterans.

HOU-TEX
07-14-2010, 04:01 PM
Doesn't mean a whole lot if they can't get it to translate to the scoreboard.

sometexansfan
07-14-2010, 04:19 PM
How old is Rick Smith? 30? LOL

I think he was roommates with Zgonina at Purdue, so probably a little older than that.

alphajoker
07-14-2010, 04:55 PM
I hope this translates into :trophy:

PapaL
07-14-2010, 05:00 PM
I'm geeked about the season!

AnthonyE
07-14-2010, 05:03 PM
I think he was roommates with Zgonina at Purdue, so probably a little older than that.

This article says he's 38 and it's dated two years ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/story/2008/06/03/nfl-texans-smith.html

So I guess it's safe to assume he's 40. Unless he's been swimming in some age-reducing tar pit a la futurama (http://theinfosphere.org/Teenage_Mutant_Leela%27s_Hurdles#Act_I:_.22We.27ve _talked_it_over_and_everybody_thinks_you.27re_too_ old.22).

dalemurphy
07-14-2010, 05:14 PM
Doesn't mean a whole lot if they can't get it to translate to the scoreboard.

"Young" talent... Regardless of what happens with Kubiak, you can't judge these 23-25 year olds' careers as unfavorable based on a couple seasons where they hovered around .500.... It would be very surprising if this group of players don't have a lot of success in their careers, right?

Texecutioner
07-14-2010, 05:30 PM
"Young" talent... Regardless of what happens with Kubiak, you can't judge these 23-25 year olds' careers as unfavorable based on a couple seasons where they hovered around .500.... It would be very surprising if this group of players don't have a lot of success in their careers, right?

I'm a lot more worried about the coaching decisions than these guys being able to take the next step from a maturity standpoint. I think the guys that you mentioned will only get better from that part of it. They could have gone 10-6 or possibly 11-5 last season if the coaching decisions weren't so bad at the end of certain games. Kubes is the guy that scares me. Not our core players. Other than our secondary, we're looking pretty good around the board with the O line being a little iffy as well. I think our running game will be very solid this season though.

ChampionTexan
07-14-2010, 05:32 PM
I hope this translates into :trophy:

Or even better:trophy::trophy::trophy: and maybe even :trophy: (Yeah, I'm greedy)

ATXtexanfan
07-14-2010, 07:05 PM
this team is stacked and i really think this year they break through. already making tailgating plans for sept 12

gary
07-14-2010, 07:32 PM
The Texans are just locked and loaded.

Nawzer
07-14-2010, 08:53 PM
This summer we saw teams in the NBA playoffs and in the World Cup compete to the best of their ability to win it all. We watched the Lakers fight it out with the Celtics to win a championship. We watched Spain's relentless attack win them the World Cup. We saw LeBron James......Ahem..Moving on... I wonder if the Texans have developed that kind of a mentality because they are so young or if they have the right kind of people to push the players to that championship level. Brian Cushing, AJ, and DeMeco Ryans are the guys I think who have the qualities of a winner. We'll need those guys to lead from the front. The point is, hopefully the Texans have been taking notes and getting inspired. I can't wait because Houston will loose its mind if we make it to the playoffs this year!

jaayteetx
07-14-2010, 09:05 PM
Championship!:trophy::trophy::trophy::trophy:

jaayteetx
01-01-2011, 11:12 AM
Anybody remember this?!?! Ha ha ha ha! We sure showed it this year.

Lucky
01-01-2011, 11:29 AM
The team may start second-year corner Glover Quin across from rookie Kareem Jackson and would not regret it. The Texans go deep.
I think Frank Bush regrets it. And it was not the Texans, but their opponents, that went deep.

nytexan
01-01-2011, 01:04 PM
To be fair, and I was a Kubiak backer and now I feel he needs to go also, they lost Barwin before the season started, they basically lost Ryan/Cushing for a whole year (injury and over training), Mario gave them almost 1/2 a season before his injury was noticeable enough to see a drop in productivity and the decision to let Dunta and Reeves go was horrific for the secondary that the original post was never given a chance for fruition this year especially for the defense.

That doesn't excuse the terrible job Bush did but whoever made the decision to let Dunta and Reeves go should be fired right along with Bush and Gibbs especially with whomever thought KJackson was ready to start this year. I still think there's a load of good young talent on this team but it not only needs direction from a coaching staff but some veteran leadership to go along with it.

You can also add the decision that they didn't need a safety to the list. So it wasn't so much a lack of young talent but a breakdown in evaluation of the talent they did have. To me Bailey of Denver has to be on their GOT TO HAVE list and not as a CB (I think he's a little long in the tooth) but as a safety to give direction to this group. JMHO

Lucky
01-01-2011, 01:10 PM
To me Bailey of Denver has to be on their GOT TO HAVE list and not as a CB (I think he's a little long in the tooth) but as a safety to give direction to this group. JMHO
Bailey has never played safety. The Texans tried that with Marcus Coleman, and it was a disaster. I could support signing Bailey as a corner, but doesn't he play the shuffle slide technique that Gibbs teaches? I'm sure that will get tossed out with the new secondary coach.

Now, Quin, Jackson, and McManis will have to be taught new techniques. Another learning curve. Never ending excuses for this team.

nytexan
01-01-2011, 01:16 PM
Bailey has never played safety.

I read he not only wants out of Denver but he thinks playing safety will prolong his career at this point. A good point on the career front but also to allow him to QB the young secondary unless there's a complete housecleaning there that I don't see. Also if Nolan has any chance of sticking around, he'll add to special teams and can learn from Bailey.

ThaShark316
01-01-2011, 01:19 PM
I'd move Quin to FS if I could...ask around, he can do the gig.

nytexan
01-01-2011, 01:27 PM
I'd move Quin to FS if I could...ask around, he can do the gig.

Can't argue that unfortunately he's also our best CB.