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BIG TORO
07-14-2010, 09:49 AM
Every time I read news on Trindon Holliday it's negative feedback from Kubiak. I am really rooting for this guy so I wanted to know what you guys thought. Here is a link to some of the news I have read:http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5832

MightyTExan
07-14-2010, 09:56 AM
Trying to change a short RB into a WR? That's crazy. My prediction:
He tears it up in pre-season returning kick\punts
He will struggle as a WR
Kubiak lets him go
Some other team picks him up as a KR\PR and he has an awesome season. I really do think he would do OK as a RB-get rid of Chris Henry, jeez.

Cjeremy635
07-14-2010, 09:56 AM
Regardless of the feedback, he's a kid. I think they see the potential, but there is still a big ? attached to him. I think what happens will ultimately depend on what goes on during training camp and the preseason games. If he shows flashes, he may actually be on the 53 or put on the practice squad. I have no idea what will happen because I never watched the kid in college and have no idea how he will match up in the NFL. I wish him luck though, we need all the help we can get.

Texan_Bill
07-14-2010, 09:58 AM
PIGEON> Mighty Mouse

BIG TORO
07-14-2010, 10:00 AM
Regardless of the feedback, he's a kid. I think they see the potential, but there is still a big ? attached to him. I think what happens will ultimately depend on what goes on during training camp and the preseason games. If he shows flashes, he may actually be on the 53 or put on the practice squad. I have no idea what will happen because I never watched the kid in college and have no idea how he will match up in the NFL. I wish him luck though, we need all the help we can get.

I want him to be an impact player, I can see him scoring a touchdown and Mighty Mouse the cartoon character showing up on the big screen, kind of like super mario, that would be cool.

Cjeremy635
07-14-2010, 10:04 AM
PIGEON> Mighty Mouse

http://www.gunsandtacos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dead-pigeon.jpg

My pigeon killed your pigeon! :cool:

HOU-TEX
07-14-2010, 10:11 AM
Since Kubiak has been here everyone of his draft picks have remained with the team in some fashion their 1st year. So, I'd be surprised if he was unable to make the 53. Even if he can't I think they'll find a way to stash him away for the season.

steelbtexan
07-14-2010, 10:21 AM
Perfect practice squad candidate.

He or Dickerson will make the final 53.

If Holiday tears it up on ST he will get the final spot. IMHO

rmartin65
07-14-2010, 10:48 AM
Perfect practice squad candidate.

He or Dickerson will make the final 53.

If Holiday tears it up on ST he will get the final spot. IMHO

I think they both make it. Holliday is a cheaper, better returner than AD. We are pretty set at receiver, so I think AD gets the axe.

DD makes the team, again because of special teams. I see him being a great special teams player while he learns the receiver position.

El Tejano
07-14-2010, 10:56 AM
So are we basically saying this guy is JJ Moses?

TimeKiller
07-14-2010, 11:59 AM
Yup. His speed is a weapon, a constant threat that just needs to be honed. You can't teach lightning. You can teach where a hole is. Maybe he ends up being the 5th or 6th WR but honestly...if we're seeing more than 4 WR a game something is probably going wrong...

Insideop
07-14-2010, 12:36 PM
If his ability/speed as a KR/PR are as good as I think they are, there's no way he doesn't make the team. He has the speed to be a game changer. JMHO!

Goldensilence
07-14-2010, 12:47 PM
I hope he makes the squad. The guy has game changing speed. Still not sure why they're choosing the run his as a WR though. I suppose they figure that's the best place he has a chance to make the roster. Though, I'd echo someone else's sentiments. Cut Chris Henry instead.

Far as Dorin Dickerson goes, the guy is talented and has some serious upside. I think both will be incredibly hard to stash away on the PS.

Perhaps they decide to go with 6 WR this season. Cut AD and with the first 4 WR spots taken care of let those two develop.

BIG TORO
07-14-2010, 03:14 PM
I voted yes too, but there are going to be alot of wrong people if he does'nt.

CloakNNNdagger
07-14-2010, 10:08 PM
Mighty mouse makes it if he burns up returns. Despite what Kubes is saying now about expecting to use him as a WR, before it's all over, you will be seeing him used at least sparingly as a change of pace/3rd down back.

Big Lou
07-14-2010, 10:45 PM
http://www.gunsandtacos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dead-pigeon.jpg

My pigeon killed your pigeon! :cool:

I thought that bird was listening to the ground like a Native American or something.....

BIG TORO
08-16-2010, 07:40 AM
After watching him play this weekend, I can't say I was too impressed and I don't think he will make the team.

I have not seen many people talking about him, so I wanted to know what you guys thought after watching him play.

SheTexan
08-16-2010, 07:46 AM
FWIW! I felt sorry for him. He looked confused and kinda lost. I have a feeling if they try to "over" coach this kid, they will ruin him for sure. Just let him catch the damn ball during preseason and take off with it, use his natural instincts, and see what happens. They knew he was "little" when they drafted him, so leave him be and let him do what comes naturally, which is RUN!!!!

Dutchrudder
08-16-2010, 08:43 AM
I don't think he ever really got a chance to showcase his speed against the Cardinals. Maybe next week he will be able to hit his top gear and show why he was drafted.

Rey
08-16-2010, 08:47 AM
FWIW! I felt sorry for him. He looked confused and kinda lost. I have a feeling if they try to "over" coach this kid, they will ruin him for sure. Just let him catch the damn ball during preseason and take off with it, use his natural instincts, and see what happens. They knew he was "little" when they drafted him, so leave him be and let him do what comes naturally, which is RUN!!!!

I'm kind of with you on that...

But Trindon has also got to make smarter decisions...

As of right now, it's not looking good for him to make the team

Ole Miss Texan
08-16-2010, 09:10 AM
I don't think they have any reason to overload him with the playbook as a WR. We've got tons of good WR's on the team and there isn't a rush to get him matured along at that position. I'd let him focus on KR/PR and develop him slowly on the offense. It'd be smart to have him learn select offensive plays you want to use him for - screens, slants, deep routes, reverses, etc.... but it's not like there's any rush to have him become an expert route runner in every route the Texans run. We've got Andre, Walter, Jacoby, Anderson, Dickerson and possibly Davis for that.

I think he makes the final 53. Jacoby needs to focus on becoming a really good WR - get him the receptions and plays and maybe he'll want to re-sign here. If not, he's gone trying to find a starting gig somewhere. He can have starter receptions here and play with Andre/Schaub even if Walter is the actual starter.... I think Jacoby finally matured last season and this could be a huge year for him. That has as much to do with Holliday making the team as anything I think.

newtexan
08-16-2010, 09:21 AM
He makes it, plus he runs one back this weekend.

HOU-TEX
08-16-2010, 09:43 AM
I wouldn't use a roster spot for just a return man when we've got JJ, who can do both. I expect Holiday to improve, but after the first return he looked downright lost out there.

MojoMan
08-16-2010, 09:58 AM
No.

Ole Miss Texan
08-16-2010, 10:44 AM
I wouldn't use a roster spot for just a return man when we've got JJ, who can do both. I expect Holiday to improve, but after the first return he looked downright lost out there.

I feel your concern, and had my doubts the minute we drafted him. The thing is though, I think JJ can be a huge part of our offense this year and I'd hate to put him at any further risk of injury with return duties. We've got so many talented people this year that every roster spot counts - making it hard to use one on a pure return specialist (to your point).

As far as him looking lost out there that others have voiced concern about... I felt he did at times too. That first return was great but he did make some mental mistakes later on. The good news is he didn't fumble. Another thing, he's a rookie playing in his first preseason game... just about every rookie we've had has looked like a rookie in preseason. Obviously we'll know more by the time the 4th game is finished... but if TH doesn't bobble a return or fumble the ball and he gets us good field position on most returns, I think he makes the roster.

Not that JJ can't do it, but TH can do PR and KR duties for us. Davis isn't cutting it, I'd leave DA out... I'd actually think about adding Slaton on kick off returns with Holliday. I think most fans are in agreement he's got a ways to go to earn back significant RB carries. But if our offense can start out on the 30-35+yard line consistently that will be a HUGE HUGE advantage for us. I think Holliday can do that for us.

J_R
08-16-2010, 12:51 PM
No.

^^^^

The Pencil Neck
08-16-2010, 12:52 PM
Can I change my vote?

rmartin65
08-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Can I change my vote?

After one game?

You calmed me down during the draft (telling me Dickerson was a receiver, not a TE), let me try to do the same.

Holliday is a rookie, and got his first taste of NFL game action. His first return was fine, he has the ability. He just needs to get used to the speed of the game. Let him have the rest of the pre-season before you write him off.

Plus, who else would you rather have back there? I am thinking Kubiak really wants JJ focusing on being a receiver, and not a returner. And, it may be just me, but I would rather have Dickerson and Holliday than Andre Davis.

The Pencil Neck
08-16-2010, 01:26 PM
After one game?

You calmed me down during the draft (telling me Dickerson was a receiver, not a TE), let me try to do the same.

Holliday is a rookie, and got his first taste of NFL game action. His first return was fine, he has the ability. He just needs to get used to the speed of the game. Let him have the rest of the pre-season before you write him off.

Plus, who else would you rather have back there? I am thinking Kubiak really wants JJ focusing on being a receiver, and not a returner. And, it may be just me, but I would rather have Dickerson and Holliday than Andre Davis.

:)

Thank you.

disaacks3
08-16-2010, 01:27 PM
I had my doubts going in, but saw him at practice and he looked smooth.

....the Saturday rolls along and he has one good kickoff return (his first), and then looks like he's wearing cement shoes on his next two.

I'm hoping it was Marciano telling him to be careful, but if that ISN'T the case, the boy better get his head screwed on straight the next few weeks or he won't have a prayer at making the 53.

Rey
08-16-2010, 01:38 PM
I had my doubts going in, but saw him at practice and he looked smooth.

....the Saturday rolls along and he has one good kickoff return (his first), and then looks like he's wearing cement shoes on his next two.

I'm hoping it was Marciano telling him to be careful, but if that ISN'T the case, the boy better get his head screwed on straight the next few weeks or he won't have a prayer at making the 53.

If you notice, after his first return Trindon got up and was looking kind of glazy like he was there but he wasn't there...Not that he got hit hard, but like he was just caught up in the moment of just returning his first NFL kick...It was the very first play of the game so I'm sure he was anxious...

Anyways, after the play Trindon was walking down the sideline looking dazed and Joe pulled him over and was obviously coaching him up on something he didn't do or could have done better...

After that, it looked like Trindon went straight to Joe after each return.

I think that someone else in this thread said it best...Trindon needs to just let loose...He definitely was not just letting loose and doing his thing...looked like he was thinking too much

BIG TORO
08-16-2010, 01:46 PM
After one game?

You calmed me down during the draft (telling me Dickerson was a receiver, not a TE), let me try to do the same.

Holliday is a rookie, and got his first taste of NFL game action. His first return was fine, he has the ability. He just needs to get used to the speed of the game. Let him have the rest of the pre-season before you write him off.

Plus, who else would you rather have back there? I am thinking Kubiak really wants JJ focusing on being a receiver, and not a returner. And, it may be just me, but I would rather have Dickerson and Holliday than Andre Davis.


Thanks, very true and I would rather have anybody but davis run that ball back.

ubecool454
08-16-2010, 01:47 PM
Only one game ..I hope he makes it. I think the coaches are telling him to follow his blockers and I think they should just let him use his instincts and speed. After he breaks one and takes it to the house it will do wonders for his confidence.

HOU-TEX
08-16-2010, 04:43 PM
He missed todays practice with a thumb issue.

Can't make the club from the tub.

(on the absence of WR Trindon Holliday from today's practice) "(WR) (Trindon) Holliday had an issue with his thumb that we're getting a look at."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6286

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2010, 05:33 PM
In college, Holliday had problems with his hands, and would many times not be seen on the field when crucial returns were necessary. I saw a lot of tentativeness on his part as to catching or letting the ball go. With his gold medal speed, getting to the ball may have not been the real problem. Confidence in catching it may have. Someone earlier somewhere posted what also caught my eye. After his first and best return, Marciano took him to the side and made a strong gesture to him (like our fan 1st down motion), directing him to go straight ahead, seemingly down the middle. From then on, he essentially dropped all evasive and sideline returns. He just ran his 5'4" body head on into the brick wall that was in the middle of the field. He may be the Little Engine that Could, but he's not equipped with enough weight and horsepower.........or a cow catcher to split the pile by himself. When I think back the past couple of years, I kept screaming at the TV when most of the returns were seemingly orchestrated to damn the engines with full speed ahead into the waiting wall of special teams defenders. Same question of why Marciano insists on the unsuccessful scheme of short kickoffs which are more times than not covered poorly.

I still think that Mighty Mouse can make it at least as a dangerous returner.............if he is allowed to be dangerous.:fingergun:

Ryan
08-16-2010, 06:27 PM
If this were the 2006 Texans...most likely.


But this is the deepest team we've ever had as far as talent and depth, and i don't think we can afford to keep a specialist on our team(especially with the performance i saw)instead of maybe keeping an extra quality RB or quality depth at a position of need.


So it's a definite no for me.

Cjeremy635
08-16-2010, 06:34 PM
I was optimistic after hearing the reviews from camp, but the kid looked scared ****less out there. You can't play that way. If he can get past that, keep him. If he stays the same way, cut him. We need people that can get us great field position, not be afraid to snatch the ball out of the air and run it. Hell, he even seemed afraid to grab it and call a fair catch. I know the position of the ball coming at you decides whether you catch it or let it go, but every punt was uncatchable? (may not have been every one, but it sure seemed like it)

JB
08-16-2010, 07:23 PM
Couple of great quotes I might as well put here.

"I've got what you call ‘next man' speed. If the guy next to me is running fast, then I run faster than him."
- WR Jacoby Jones

"I told him just stay humble. It's just football. Have fun with it and do what you do best: Run fast. They can't catch him, man. He runs a 9.9, 10 flat (in the 100 meters). That says enough right there."
- Jones, on his advice to rookie kick returner Trindon Holliday

Buffi2
08-16-2010, 07:23 PM
I expected more of Holliday and consider him the only disappointment of the game. He had that deer caught in the headlights look about him - like he was almost afraid to run with the ball. Not that I blame him for that - I wouldn't want look down a field and see a bunch of big dudes coming to pummel me into the ground - but I'm not a pro football player either.

If he continues the same way he was Sat night - he is gone. Missing practices isn't helping his cause at all.

Texan_Bill
08-16-2010, 07:24 PM
http://www.gunsandtacos.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/dead-pigeon.jpg

My pigeon killed your pigeon! :cool:

PIGEON > Pigeon (??)

WTF??? :um:

The Pencil Neck
08-16-2010, 09:19 PM
PIGEON > Pigeon (??)

WTF??? :um:

I think you just divided by zero.

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2010, 09:21 PM
I had my doubts going in, but saw him at practice and he looked smooth.

....the Saturday rolls along and he has one good kickoff return (his first), and then looks like he's wearing cement shoes on his next two.

I'm hoping it was Marciano telling him to be careful, but if that ISN'T the case, the boy better get his head screwed on straight the next few weeks or he won't have a prayer at making the 53.

In response to your post, Holliday sent me proof that he has ridded himself of the shoes for next game.

http://www.kam.uiuc.edu/pr/images/lemieux/441.jpg

In return, I sent him:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q217/Taliesin_ttlg/asoh/theamazingscrewonhead.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
08-19-2010, 09:19 PM
FWIW! I felt sorry for him. He looked confused and kinda lost. I have a feeling if they try to "over" coach this kid, they will ruin him for sure. Just let him catch the damn ball during preseason and take off with it, use his natural instincts, and see what happens. They knew he was "little" when they drafted him, so leave him be and let him do what comes naturally, which is RUN!!!!

I had my doubts going in, but saw him at practice and he looked smooth.

....the Saturday rolls along and he has one good kickoff return (his first), and then looks like he's wearing cement shoes on his next two.

I'm hoping it was Marciano telling him to be careful, but if that ISN'T the case, the boy better get his head screwed on straight the next few weeks or he won't have a prayer at making the 53.

If you notice, after his first return Trindon got up and was looking kind of glazy like he was there but he wasn't there...Not that he got hit hard, but like he was just caught up in the moment of just returning his first NFL kick...It was the very first play of the game so I'm sure he was anxious...

Anyways, after the play Trindon was walking down the sideline looking dazed and Joe pulled him over and was obviously coaching him up on something he didn't do or could have done better...

After that, it looked like Trindon went straight to Joe after each return.

I think that someone else in this thread said it best...Trindon needs to just let loose...He definitely was not just letting loose and doing his thing...looked like he was thinking too much



TRINDON HOLLIDAY
(on running up the middle on his last few returns in Arizona) "It was a designed play and it just didn't work out like we wanted it to." (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6293)

Speed and Instinct got him where he is.............NOT speed and Design. The Ds can't readily Design plays to foil a returner's Instincts. If he doesn't know what he's going to do, then they sure won't.

J_R
08-19-2010, 09:25 PM
#16 get out! You can't play. We can't count on you to block anybody. Get someone else in here. Get off the field."

How demoralizing, heh. :o

Is this a make or break game for him?


Kubiak called the upcoming game a “very big” one for rookie wide receiver/kick returner Trindon Hollidayhttp://assets.houstontexans.com/images/relatedicon.gif (http://boards.houstontexans.com/#), a Baton Rouge native who played at LSU. “We had to watch him this week to see if he could handle it with his thumb issues he’s had this week,” Kubiak said. “It looks like he’s been OK. We’ll make a decision here exactly how we’ll go. For him to make this football team, it’s got be a big push for him to be a special returner, and that’s what he was drafted to do.”

ObsiWan
08-19-2010, 09:39 PM
Please Coach Joe. Let the kid do what he does best, run to daylight. Don't make him have to overcome his coaching (to paraphrase Brett Favre) to succeed.

Houston_Fanatic
08-19-2010, 10:52 PM
Please Coach Joe. Let the kid do what he does best, run to daylight. Don't make him have to overcome his coaching (to paraphrase Brett Favre) to succeed.

AMEN. I am rooting for the kid to make the team and burn our opponents!

Cjeremy635
08-19-2010, 11:18 PM
I'm rooting for the kid too, but I just have a hunch that he ain't gonna cut it. I hope for the best, I really do. If he excels, it only makes this team stronger, and I'm all for that. My biggest concern about him is what's between his ears. I saw an interview he had earlier today with Bob Allen on ABC news. Bob was asking him if he was excited about being back in front of his home crowd of Louisiana and if he was planning on putting on a show for the crowd on Saturday. Holliday said something to the effect of "I don't know about all of that. I'm just going to go out there and try to do my best." It's not just what he said, but how he said it and his body language. He just seemed very unsure of himself and a little like a scared pup. Personally, I think you need to have a good bit of swagger to be in the NFL. You need to be confident in your abilities and think that every time you touch the ball that you can be the difference maker. You've all heard the ol' cliche, it's 90% mental and 10% physical. The 90% mental is kicking his ass right now. If he can't get his head right, he'll naver make it out of camp, regardless of the talent he "may" have.

The Pencil Neck
08-20-2010, 12:27 AM
Actually, the fact that they've said that they're working McMannis out as a returner (and that he's looking good at it) makes it appear that Trindon is not long for the Texans.

JB
08-20-2010, 12:45 AM
Actually, the fact that they've said that they're working McMannis out as a returner (and that he's looking good at it) makes it appear that Trindon is not long for the Texans.

I haven't heard this. Is this something recent?

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2010, 07:17 AM
I haven't heard this. Is this something recent?

Kubiak

(on the progress of CB Sherrick McManis) "He's been good. He's a very physical player and showed up for (Special Teams Coach) Joe (Marciano) in special teams. He's got good speed and could be a possible returner for us. We'll see what happens. He's been impressive."

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6293)

CloakNNNdagger
08-20-2010, 07:32 PM
As far as (WR) (Trindon) Holliday, we've got to make a decision here whether or not he thinks he could go with the cast on his hand and play. I'll sit back and look at what he did this week and make a decision."

That's sure to help his game. :sarcasm: I hope, at least, kubiak meant a thumb splint, which would be no great bargain either.

4Texans
08-21-2010, 09:18 PM
Not going well for the little guy........

WolverineFan
08-21-2010, 09:20 PM
Wonder how much this will change after he muffed 2 kicks tonight. Definitely not 37-4 I'll tell you that.

rmartin65
08-21-2010, 09:32 PM
He has one more game in my eyes... I have been/am a big supporter of all rookies, but this is ridiculous.

ObsiWan
08-21-2010, 09:44 PM
He has one more game in my eyes... I have been/am a big supporter of all rookies, but this is ridiculous.

wait, what? I thought you said we need to develop these "projects"
:D

rmartin65
08-21-2010, 09:46 PM
wait, what? I thought you said we need to develop these "projects"

Yep, I did. But that was before the muff on the KR. I mean, punts I can understand. But kickoffs? Also, after this game, I dont think any team will be rushing to claim him off the PS.

Ryan
08-21-2010, 10:15 PM
Slaton, McMannis, and J. Johnson all had better kick returns today. And they caught the ball. He's as good as gone. I give him till tuesday.

ObsiWan
08-21-2010, 10:16 PM
Slaton, McMannis, and J. Johnson all had better kick returns today. And they caught the ball. He's as good as gone. I give him till tuesday.

I think it also means Andre Davis is history

Porky
08-21-2010, 10:18 PM
Another huge disappointment. I think I have a better chance of making the final 53 than this guy. He's a total zero as a WR. His only chance at all was to shine in the preseason, and he has been nothing short of awful. I think we've seen the last of Holliday. I hope he got a degree, because he won't be playing Pro Football for much longer. Might be cut this week.

Ryan
08-21-2010, 10:20 PM
I think it also means Andre Davis is history


I think Dorin Dickerson's development is at the expense of Davis' job. He already had become obsolete as a KR last season.

Rey
08-21-2010, 10:28 PM
Bye Trindon...Hardly knew you

Norg
08-21-2010, 10:47 PM
he might has well stay in NOLA no point in flying back to houston


said to say .....

Hervoyel
08-21-2010, 11:05 PM
I really do believe he looks like a guy who's completely overwhelmed by the NFL which is odd because he played at a big time college program. This shouldn't be what kills him at this level. The relative speed of the game is an adjustment (even though he's about as fast as football players get) and the average size of the players is an adjustment (though he's pretty much always been smaller than, well "everybody") but he looks truly lost and this is as straightforward a job as there is in football. "Watch ball - catch ball - run with ball" about covers it. How much more thinking can there be in pro special teams than in college special teams for a returner?

BullNation4Life
08-21-2010, 11:53 PM
I guess speed only kills in the NFL if you have the skills to go along with that speed...

Ah well, throw Slaton back there and call it a day....

Ryan
08-22-2010, 12:12 AM
I really do believe he looks like a guy who's completely overwhelmed by the NFL which is odd because he played at a big time college program. This shouldn't be what kills him at this level. The relative speed of the game is an adjustment (even though he's about as fast as football players get) and the average size of the players is an adjustment (though he's pretty much always been smaller than, well "everybody") but he looks truly lost and this is as straightforward a job as there is in football. "Watch ball - catch ball - run with ball" about covers it. How much more thinking can there be in pro special teams than in college special teams for a returner?



Well i assume he's thinking more in pro special teams about "oh my god i'm going to get killed."

whiskeyrbl
08-22-2010, 07:44 AM
At this point NO. They may keep him on PS, but no way we use a roster spot on him in the final 53.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2010, 10:24 AM
Tough to catch a punt or kickoff with a bum thumb, splinted or otherwise. Of all of the digits, you at least need 2 good thumbs and no splint to have a ball bounce off of.

rmartin65
08-22-2010, 10:33 AM
Tough to catch a punt or kickoff with a bum thumb, splinted or otherwise. Of all of the digits, you at least need 2 good thumbs and no splint to have a ball bounce off of.

That is true. When do you think the splint come off?

The Pencil Neck
08-22-2010, 10:50 AM
My initial reaction was that the guy's gone but like CND said, we all knew going in that this guy was going to be at a disadvantage because of his thumb. I was a little surprised to see him back there at all.

But right now, he's a PS guy if anything.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2010, 11:44 AM
That is true. When do you think the splint come off?

My initial reaction was that the guy's gone but like CND said, we all knew going in that this guy was going to be at a disadvantage because of his thumb. I was a little surprised to see him back there at all.

But right now, he's a PS guy if anything.

Most likely, Holliday has suffered what is referred to in lay terms would be a sprained thumb. When the thumb is bent out of it's normal range of movement (usually backwards), damage occurs to the ligaments supporting the joint at the base of the thumb (metacarpo-phalangeal joint). It is typically "stretched" with minor ligamentous tears rather than complete tears.

BTW, I was surpised to see him at all THIS week because of the described injury with "cast" (per Kubiak).

Keep in mind that a thumb to be fully functional is opposable and prehensile (for grasping) which relies on this joint. The typical treatment is about 3 weeks of immobilization in a hard resin splint resin to block the metacarpo-phalangeal (the base) joint of the thumb, with the wrist untethered. After removal of the immobilisation, the player will gradually regain thumb motion. Strengthening exercises are done to restore stability and prevent re-injury. Holliday should be able to return to "unprotected" play sometime anywhere between 2-6 weeks depending on the extent of severity. If the thumb is not properly strengthened and/or the thumb left unprotected too soon, re-injury is likely.

silvrhand
08-22-2010, 01:48 PM
Most likely, Holliday has suffered what is referred to in lay terms would be a sprained thumb. When the thumb is bent out of it's normal range of movement (usually backwards), damage occurs to the ligaments supporting the joint at the base of the thumb (metacarpo-phalangeal joint). It is typically "stretched" with minor ligamentous tears rather than complete tears.

BTW, I was surpised to see him at all THIS week because of the described injury with "cast" (per Kubiak).

Keep in mind that a thumb to be fully functional is opposable and prehensile (for grasping) which relies on this joint. The typical treatment is about 3 weeks of immobilization in a hard resin splint resin to block the metacarpo-phalangeal (the base) joint of the thumb, with the wrist untethered. After removal of the immobilisation, the player will gradually regain thumb motion. Strengthening exercises are done to restore stability and prevent re-injury. Holliday should be able to return to "unprotected" play sometime anywhere between 2-6 weeks depending on the extent of severity. If the thumb is not properly strengthened and/or the thumb left unprotected too soon, re-injury is likely.

I played my freshman year in college with my left thumb pretty much useless.. it's a constant pain and problem when you are playing. I'm not really sure why they had him catching punts with a bad hand. I mean it's just all over the place, I couldn't field a punt to save my my thumb was jacked, it was 70/30 about catching it right. I knew it too so I was even more nervous.. Ugh.. Poor Holiday looks like a deer in the headlights..

ObsiWan
08-22-2010, 02:51 PM
My initial reaction was that the guy's gone but like CND said, we all knew going in that this guy was going to be at a disadvantage because of his thumb. I was a little surprised to see him back there at all.

But right now, he's a PS guy if anything.

Can a bum thumb get you on the PUP list? I mean, if you can't catch, you can't perform, right?

silvrhand
08-22-2010, 05:15 PM
Can a bum thumb get you on the PUP list? I mean, if you can't catch, you can't perform, right?

But when you are trying to make the team, and you have a bum thumb.. you play..

edo783
08-22-2010, 08:25 PM
I'm not sure how they actually feel about him, but they might just park him on IR for the thumb and take another run at it so to speak next year. I doubt they have many dollars tied up in him.

TimeKiller
08-23-2010, 07:48 AM
Boy he sucked the life outta the team huh? I give it another game and nothing short of spectacular will get him the spot. PS, I guess. Or IR. I'd give him a year to work on it.

El Tejano
08-23-2010, 07:54 AM
The way I see it is he isn't doing the things that Jacoby Jones did to get on this football team his rookie year.

BIG TORO
08-23-2010, 08:10 AM
When leaving New Orleans I stopped at a conviniece store to pump gas and when I went in the store there were some guys talking about new Holliday. They guys were talking about Holliday like he was a GOD and were hoping that he kept screwing up so that he would not make the team and that way the Saints could pick him up. Maybe he just needs to calm down, gain his confidence and show us what he can really do.

HoustonFrog
08-23-2010, 08:14 AM
He had these issues at LSU and lost his job. If you can't field punts then your speed does nothing. Bye-bye.

Mr teX
08-23-2010, 08:42 AM
Honestly to me he looks scared. I think he thought he'd be able to do the same things he did at LSU (basically just out run people) but once he saw how much bigger & faster the guys are at this level, he lost his nuts....Cut him & cut him now..we've got enough question marks/potential problems on this team, we don't need to add another.

HOU-TEX
08-23-2010, 09:14 AM
I actually felt sorry for the little guy. If it were a regular season game I would've been reaming his ass, but I hope he can get right and help this team.

However, after the 4th pre-season game it's all about what's best for the team and if he hasn't gotten right by then.....c-ya

Texan_Bill
08-23-2010, 09:21 AM
I actually felt sorry for the little guy. If it were a regular season game I would've been reaming his ass, but I hope he can get right and help this team.

However, after the 4th pre-season game it's all about what's best for the team and if he hasn't gotten right by then.....c-ya

Dude looked shaky in pre-game warm-ups! Unfortunately, I just think "he doesn't get it".

HOU-TEX
08-23-2010, 09:22 AM
Dude looked shaky in pre-game warm-ups! Unfortunately, I just think "he doesn't get it".

Maybe overwhelmed? Who knows, but I hope he can get it turned around....and quickly

Texan_Bill
08-23-2010, 09:26 AM
Maybe overwhelmed? Who knows, but I hope he can get it turned around....and quickly

Well of course I do too... That said, you've been around football your whole life. Sometimes you can see whether a player "has it" or "doesn't have it"... Holliday looked like that "doesn't have it" kinda guy! We'll see.

Ole Miss Texan
08-23-2010, 10:02 AM
I want him to make the team and be an pro-bowl returner ala jerome mathis... I just feel like he's making too many mistakes to be a part of this team. I'd rather a guy that catches the ball cleanly EVERY TIME and makes 20-30 yard returns. Than a guy that makes 3 return TDs and coughs the ball up to the team 3 times...

I hope he works it out over these next 10 days or so...

beerlover
08-23-2010, 10:19 AM
He has one more game in my eyes... I have been/am a big supporter of all rookies, but this is ridiculous.

as one of our draft picks don't we have to stand by the man?

Everybody talks like pre-season means nothing, not sure that's true for everyone, Holiday case in point. I like the fact he is willing to play thru injured thumb but not pleased the coaches have put him in postion to fail.

Rookies do need exposure in mini & training camps much as possible, late round guys are typically some of your hardest workers because their trying to make roster cut, but in this situation he should be held out of games until his thumb is healed & he can deomstrate in practice he can hold onto the ball again, its hurting the team & it's hurting Trindon's confiedence he can play in this league. Everyone is unique, have their own learning curve & pressure points for whatever the reason this coaching staff has to learn how to build up their players instead of breaking them down. Remember Jacoby had issues with holding onto the ball, struggled with it for two years in & out of the doghouse, now look at him thats just one example, one reason not to give up on this young man just yet. :barman:

badboy
08-23-2010, 11:11 AM
as one of our draft picks don't we have to stand by the man?

Everybody talks like pre-season means nothing, not sure that's true for everyone, Holiday case in point. I like the fact he is willing to play thru injured thumb but not pleased the coaches have put him in postion to fail.

Rookies do need exposure in mini & training camps much as possible, late round guys are typically some of your hardest workers because their trying to make roster cut, but in this situation he should be held out of games until his thumb is healed & he can deomstrate in practice he can hold onto the ball again, its hurting the team & it's hurting Trindon's confiedence he can play in this league. Everyone is unique, have their own learning curve & pressure points for whatever the reason this coaching staff has to learn how to build up their players instead of breaking them down. Remember Jacoby had issues with holding onto the ball, struggled with it for two years in & out of the doghouse, now look at him thats just one example, one reason not to give up on this young man just yet. :barman:Holliday has Jacoby Jones disease. As soon as he settles down and keeps his eye on the ball rather than down field, he should be ok. The issue is being a 6th and the position he was drafted for does not allow much room for wiggle or patience imo. Kubes ran everyone but Rackers out to try to do somethingon returns. McMaus did good and Jeremiah Johnson caught my eye but Jacoby er Trindon needed to be benched. I think your comparison to JJ is right on target and Holliday may succeed if he does not get cut. Coach could be looking for a scape goat.

Thorn
08-23-2010, 11:59 AM
I have a bad feeling about this guy going on the practice squad. I'm thinking someone will sign him off the practice squad even though he isn't doing much. His "potential" might be worth the risk, which is exactly why the Texans drafted him in the first place.

Well, I guess we'll know soon enough. I'd like to see the little fellow fix his problems and make the team. But if not, we have others that can return punts and kick offs.

Ole Miss Texan
08-23-2010, 12:01 PM
I have a bad feeling about this guy going on the practice squad. I'm thinking someone will sign him off the practice squad even though he isn't doing much. His "potential" might be worth the risk, which is exactly why the Texans drafted him in the first place.

Well, I guess we'll know soon enough. I'd like to see the little fellow fix his problems and make the team. But if not, we have others that can return punts and kick offs.

Any chance his thumb is "more serious" than we thought? PUP list!!?!? IR?!?! how shady would that be

Dutchrudder
08-23-2010, 12:03 PM
I would like to change my vote to No on the 53. Practice squad, PUP or IR list make sense.

CloakNNNdagger
08-23-2010, 07:24 PM
Kubiak on 610 this evening said that Hollidays injury definitely had an ill effect on his return play Saturday; that he was wearing a cast......then corrected himself.......a splint in order to play they were going to look further into Holliday's thumb injury.........the extent of ligament damage.

So it does look like he sustained a sprained thumb, with the exact amount of ligament damage to be determined.

ATXtexanfan
08-23-2010, 07:32 PM
well if we keep kris brown we might as well keep holliday as well

JB
08-23-2010, 07:49 PM
well if we keep kris brown we might as well keep holliday as well

What is the correlation?

Rey
08-23-2010, 08:45 PM
ir him.

JB
08-24-2010, 01:07 PM
"Holliday will have surgery tomorrow (for a torn ligament in his thumb)." - Coach Kubiak on rookie Trindon Holliday (he's out for the year)

http://twitter.com/HoustonTexans

rmartin65
08-24-2010, 01:10 PM
http://twitter.com/HoustonTexans

Hmm. Well, this actually may be for the best. He gets a year to recover, learn the speed of the NFL, and learn the receiver position.

BIG TORO
08-24-2010, 01:11 PM
http://twitter.com/HoustonTexans

I guess it will be IR!

Ole Miss Texan
08-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Any chance his thumb is "more serious" than we thought? PUP list!!?!? IR?!?! how shady would that be

I was halfway joking... didn't think we would (or could) do this. Sounds like his thumb injury was "more serious" than we thought. Hope it heals quickly and he comes out next season for us and does great.

The Pencil Neck
08-24-2010, 02:07 PM
I was halfway joking... didn't think we would (or could) do this. Sounds like his thumb injury was "more serious" than we thought. Hope it heals quickly and he comes out next season for us and does great.

Be careful about what you halfway joke about. You are more powerful than you think.

Ole Miss Texan
08-24-2010, 02:15 PM
Be careful about what you halfway joke about. You are more powerful than you think.
I was actually down on Kirby yesterday. Told Kubiak, "Injured reserve you will put him."

http://www.learnfoodphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Yoda.jpg

The force is strong.

badboy
08-24-2010, 02:31 PM
Kubes said he practiced all week with the damaged thumb. I wonder how much that effected the ligaments?

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2010, 03:10 PM
Kubes said he practiced all week with the damaged thumb. I wonder how much that effected the ligaments?

Further injury (complete ligament tear) with a moderately sprained thumb (incomplete tear), with continued play, would not be unexpected despite splinting. And if he was encouraged to continue play with a complete tear with joint instability (which requires surgery), you have to wonder why. And if he had his "surgical problem" all along, then questions really come up as to why it wasn't diagnosed before now. If nothing else, somewhat puzzling. :thinking: