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J_R
07-14-2010, 07:49 AM
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Texans have agreed to terms with receiver Dorin Dickerson, their seventh-round pick.

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/18516401976 (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/18516401976)

rmartin65
07-14-2010, 08:52 AM
About time. I was wondering what the hold up with this guy was.

GuerillaBlack
07-14-2010, 08:57 AM
Good. I didn't want him on the practice squad and have the opportunity for another team to come in and snatch him. Can't wait to see him on the field.

ChampionTexan
07-14-2010, 09:00 AM
Good. I didn't want him on the practice squad and have the opportunity for another team to come in and snatch him. Can't wait to see him on the field.

What does getting him signed have to do with keeping him off the practice squad?

drs23
07-14-2010, 11:23 AM
Allright! One more in the fold. I think we'll really enjoy watching this guy develop as he's learning behind the best in the business. Sure hope he becomes the "steal" that's been mentioned so many times.

Insideop
07-14-2010, 11:49 AM
This is good news. That leaves Jackson, Tate, and Graham left to sign. I think the Texans are ahead of most teams in their signings.

Only 16 days left until TC starts! :doot:

El Tejano
07-14-2010, 01:28 PM
6 down, 3 to go right?

TheRealJoker
07-14-2010, 02:42 PM
I am really excited about Dickerson. He could be the next Marques Colston!!!

Hopefully injuries don't cause him to get significant playing time too early. I am very comfortable with our top 4 WRs (AJ, KW, JJ, and DA). Having a developmental prospect with Dickerson's potential is just icing on the cake.

Not to mention what he can bring to the table on special teams. Joe Marciano is gonna have a field day with a guy like Dickerson who has WR speed and isn't afraid to get physical as evidenced by his stint as a LB during college.

barrett
07-14-2010, 02:48 PM
I'll be curious to see if his money is slotted or if he received some special consideration.

HOU-TEX
07-14-2010, 02:58 PM
I'll be curious to see if his money is slotted or if he received some special consideration.

Dorin's (20th of the 7th, 227 overall) contract is 4 years, $1.84 million. Troy Nolan's (14th of the 7th, 223 overall) contract was 4 years, $1.808. Sounds about right to me considering the % it rises every year.

GuerillaBlack
07-14-2010, 04:22 PM
What does getting him signed have to do with keeping him off the practice squad?

If we just sign a player to the practice squad, can't another team come in and take them?

ArlingtonTexan
07-14-2010, 04:25 PM
If we just sign a player to the practice squad, can't another team come in and take them?

The practic squad isn't formed until after all the pre-season cuts are made. His contract signing here doesn't matter in terms of whether or not he is on the practice squad. Yes, players can be claimed by another team, but in relative terms it is done a low percentge of the time, because the team claiming the player has to place the practice squad player on the regular roster.

GuerillaBlack
07-14-2010, 04:27 PM
The practic squad isn't formed until after all the pre-season cuts are made. His contract signing here doesn't matter in terms of whether or not he is on the practice squad. Yes, players can be claimed by another team, but in relative terms it is done a low percentge of the time, because the team claiming the player has to place the practice squad player on the regular roster.

Oh okay, I misunderstood then. Thank you.

+rep

drs23
07-14-2010, 05:10 PM
The practic squad isn't formed until after all the pre-season cuts are made. His contract signing here doesn't matter in terms of whether or not he is on the practice squad. Yes, players can be claimed by another team, but in relative terms it is done a low percentge of the time, because the team claiming the player has to place the practice squad player on the regular roster.

That's what I'd read here before but on NFLN the preseason show of Hard Knocks, Dallas had a player they place on the PS and Philly offered him more money but to go on their PS and he chose to stay with Dallas. So do they or don't they have to be placed on the team?

infantrycak
07-14-2010, 05:16 PM
That's what I'd read here before but on NFLN the preseason show of Hard Knocks, Dallas had a player they place on the PS and Philly offered him more money but to go on their PS and he chose to stay with Dallas. So do they or don't they have to be placed on the team?

A player on the practice squad can negotiate with any team. If they sign with a new team they have to be placed on the 53 man roster for three games. So they can choose to stay on the practice squad if they want.

ArlingtonTexan
07-14-2010, 05:21 PM
A player on the practice squad can negotiate with any team. If they sign with a new team they have to be placed on the 53 man roster for three games. So they can choose to stay on the practice squad if they want.


Was just about to post this

After noon EST on September 2nd, each club may establish a Practice Squad of no more than eight (8) players who are free agents.The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.) and who did not dress for more than eight (8) regular season games during their only accrued (i.e., on the 53 man roster for at least 6 games) season. Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07 League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs. Aigher salary can be negotiated. In addition, a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club's Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. A practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).If another club signs a Practice Squad player to its 53 man roster it does not have to provide any sort of compensation to the player's former club but it generally must keep the player on the 53 man roster for at least 3 weeks, thereby mandating that he earns in 2007 the minimum first year salary for said 3 week period ($285,000 prorated weekly). Also note that a team can add and release players from the practice squad as often as it desires and the eight (8) man limit does not have to be maintained. A player may be on the practice squad for two seasons; three weeks on the practice squad count as a season. An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season

Jackie Chiles
07-14-2010, 05:43 PM
I am really excited about Dickerson. He could be the next Marques Colston!!!

Hopefully injuries don't cause him to get significant playing time too early. I am very comfortable with our top 4 WRs (AJ, KW, JJ, and DA). Having a developmental prospect with Dickerson's potential is just icing on the cake.

Not to mention what he can bring to the table on special teams. Joe Marciano is gonna have a field day with a guy like Dickerson who has WR speed and isn't afraid to get physical as evidenced by his stint as a LB during college.

Not to be a buzz kill but outside of them both being WRs drafted in the 7th round there is very little similarity between Dickerson and Colston. Dickerson is a superior athlete that is just now really focusing on being a WR. Colston didn't have the measurables but he played like a 10 year vet right out of the gate. Even size wise they are different with Colston being taller and Dickerson thicker. Doesn't mean I'm not a huge Dickerson fan, I look forward to watching his progress but he might not catch a single pass this entire season. Going to have to make an impact on ST this year. Even down the road I would be shocked if he ever reached Colston's level but it would certainly be nice.

jaayteetx
07-14-2010, 06:13 PM
Championship!

RagingBull
07-14-2010, 07:38 PM
I am really excited about Dickerson. He could be the next Marques Colston!!!

I will be happy if he can be the next Zac Diles.:hurrah:

Insideop
07-14-2010, 10:36 PM
Was just about to post this

After noon EST on September 2nd, each club may establish a Practice Squad of no more than eight (8) players who are free agents.The practice squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (A bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.) and who did not dress for more than eight (8) regular season games during their only accrued (i.e., on the 53 man roster for at least 6 games) season. Minimum salary for a practice squad player shall be $4,700 per week for the 2006-07 League Years, $5,200 per week for the 2008-10 League Years and the 2011 League Year if it is an Uncapped Year, and $5,700 per week for the 2011 League Year if it is a Capped Year and the 2012 League Year, including postseason weeks in which his Club is in the playoffs. Aigher salary can be negotiated. In addition, a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with another NFL club during the season in order to be on the second club's Active/Inactive (i.e., 53 man) list. A practice squad player may not sign an NFL Player Contract with his Club’s next opponent later than 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the sixth day preceding the game (except in bye weeks, when the prohibition commences on the tenth day preceding the game).If another club signs a Practice Squad player to its 53 man roster it does not have to provide any sort of compensation to the player's former club but it generally must keep the player on the 53 man roster for at least 3 weeks, thereby mandating that he earns in 2007 the minimum first year salary for said 3 week period ($285,000 prorated weekly). Also note that a team can add and release players from the practice squad as often as it desires and the eight (8) man limit does not have to be maintained. A player may be on the practice squad for two seasons; three weeks on the practice squad count as a season. An otherwise eligible player may be a practice squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment. The League may elect to allow some or all Clubs to add to their practice squads one additional player, who shall not count against the limit above, whose citizenship and principal place of residence are outside the United States and its Territories (“International Player”). The League’s election in any one season shall not determine or affect its election in any subsequent season

I have a question that I didn't see the answer to in this document that pertains to the pay of drafted rookies who end up on the PS. If a drafted rookie signs his rookie contract, like Dickerson, and then doesn't make the 53 man roster, but is put on the PS, does he:

A) lose his contract and gets paid the weekly PS wage?
B) still get paid by his contract and not the PS wage?
C) get a partial payment from the contract plus the PS wage?
or
D) get paid some other way not listed?

What is it TTP always says? Inquiring minds want to know! :hmmm:

ArlingtonTexan
07-15-2010, 03:17 AM
I have a question that I didn't see the answer to in this document that pertains to the pay of drafted rookies who end up on the PS. If a drafted rookie signs his rookie contract, like Dickerson, and then doesn't make the 53 man roster, but is put on the PS, does he:

A) lose his contract and gets paid the weekly PS wage?
B) still get paid by his contract and not the PS wage?
C) get a partial payment from the contract plus the PS wage?
or
D) get paid some other way not listed?

What is it TTP always says? Inquiring minds want to know! :hmmm:

As I understand contracts, the four year rookie contract assumes the player makes the team, so once a plyer is cut and re-signs as a practice squad player that voids his agreement (other words A). Once he makes any team he is free to sign for 1 to 4 years. That said, a player on practice squad is not limited to the minimium pay. In fact, one year the Patriots paid a plyer the same as if he had made the regular squad. Additional pay is an extra protection against the raid of a player from another team. From the pieces that I read here and there, extra compensation happens with some regularity, but is far from the norm.

Insideop
07-15-2010, 10:30 AM
As I understand contracts, the four year rookie contract assumes the player makes the team, so once a plyer is cut and re-signs as a practice squad player that voids his agreement (other words A). Once he makes any team he is free to sign for 1 to 4 years. That said, a player on practice squad is not limited to the minimium pay. In fact, one year the Patriots paid a plyer the same as if he had made the regular squad. Additional pay is an extra protection against the raid of a player from another team. From the pieces that I read here and there, extra compensation happens with some regularity, but is far from the norm.

Thanks AT. I assume any signing bonus money is theirs to keep and is probably paid at the signing. Is that correct?

infantrycak
07-15-2010, 10:38 AM
Thanks AT. I assume any signing bonus money is theirs to keep and is probably paid at the signing. Is that correct?

That's correct. Money already paid generally cannot be recovered by the team. There are a few exceptions that don't apply to this scenario such as if Ed Reed were to retire now while healthy then he would have to pay about $6 mil back.

Lucky
07-16-2010, 09:59 PM
That said, a player on practice squad is not limited to the minimium pay. In fact, one year the Patriots paid a plyer the same as if he had made the regular squad. Additional pay is an extra protection against the raid of a player from another team. From the pieces that I read here and there, extra compensation happens with some regularity, but is far from the norm.
I did not know that. Did the additional pay count against the salary cap?

ArlingtonTexan
07-17-2010, 11:28 AM
I did not know that. Did the additional pay count against the salary cap?

I think it does (makes sense), but I can't find confirmation one way or another.