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TheOgre
03-14-2005, 09:23 AM
I know many of you are sceptacle about John McClain. I personally think he is pretty good. I don't always agree with him but I think he is a stand up guy.

In the previous 3 years, he has come out and told us what position he thought they would pick. He is 3 for 3 on that. Right before the draft, he has actually picked the player we would likely take (he is 3 for 3 on that as well). He seems to have better sources inside the Texans than people think (either that or he is EXTREMELY good at guessing).

On 610 radio today, he all but said we would take a WR. He did say we might opt for pass-rusher instead, but that was unlikely. He discounted taking OT Barron because he might be a liability starting immediately. So from this point forward, I am going to assume we are either taking a ROLB or WR2.

beerlover
03-14-2005, 09:44 AM
funny listened to 610 also and while McClain noted that WR (Williamson) would be a need to compliment AJ he might be gone & that if the Texans went OLB (like a Babin) that he would need to be profiecent in pass coverage. i personally think the Texans have their eye on Darryl Blackstock, Virgina with the 2nd rd. pick he already has 3-4 experience and now his coach is a Texan assistant.

then he went on to say the Texans may in fact pick a CB. specificly Carlos Rogers name was mentioned, John mentioned three sources he trusts all recorded his 40 times as legit form 4.31 to 4.38. CB does make sense if Williamson is gone, with Dunta & Carlos on the corners, Glenn playing nickle and rotating in different schemes would be very disruptive. from the couple of times I saw Rogers play he was very physical hitting like a Safety and would be excellent coming of the edge in blitzing situations & with his speed like Dunta should be able to get to QB's at will.

cadahnic
03-14-2005, 10:08 AM
BeerLover I agree totally with your post. Blackstock is the best pass-rushing OLB in the draft other than Demarcus Ware who we could grab in the first round. We would be lucky to get Carlos Rogers who will be available when we pick and he and Dunta will be a serious duo. Carlos would become a mid-year starter.

We could easily grab a WR in the third that will be more explosive than Gaffney whether it be Jerome Mathis or Michael Bradley.

TheOgre
03-14-2005, 11:18 AM
He did backpedal but he still said that he thinks WR is the Texan's first choice. I hope one of the "Big 3" WR's falls to us. I could see Chicago, Minnesota, Washington, Tennessee and/or San Diego potentially drafting WR's ahead of us. Any other teams that might go WR? We know Arizona won't LOL.

F-minus67
03-14-2005, 11:59 AM
Does this mean that the texans will trade down? White and Williamson are good, but most people expect them to go in the second half of the first round.

cadahnic
03-14-2005, 12:22 PM
I dont see us trading down if we make a trade it will be to move up to get a top-tier prospect. there is also no big 3 among the receivers in this draft. Edwards and Williams are in a class of their own and the seperation between White, Williamson, and Clayton will be upon what a team likes more. White is the more physical receiver, Williamson is the speedster, and Clayton is the playmaker. It just depends on what you are looking for. Dont look for either of them to go before the 15th pick. Eventhough Carolina could pick up White who they are high on.

Blake
03-14-2005, 12:26 PM
On 610 radio today, he all but said we would take a WR. He did say we might opt for pass-rusher instead, but that was unlikely. He discounted taking OT Barron because he might be a liability starting immediately. So from this point forward, I am going to assume we are either taking a ROLB or WR2.

I can do the same thing he is doing. Guessing.

We might opt for a pass-rusher instead.... no ****, we are a 3-4 team. A pass rusher is always a posibility.

cadahnic
03-14-2005, 12:48 PM
1. We trade up to get DJ or stay put and grab best D player available ie Demarcus Ware or Marcus Spears or E. James
2. Please let draft gods smile on us and daryl blackstock fall to us if not grab a OL Adam Terry of Syracuse or a Wideout
3. We have two picks skys the limit fill need

See I guessed Likely one of those guesses will be right yeah I am 1 for 1

TheOgre
03-14-2005, 02:31 PM
He first said he thought WR first, that is the one I am going with. Last year he said CB when most people were still thinking we would go D-line (back in February 2004).

He said we would take a WR in 2003 and specifically AJ a couple of weeks before the draft. Everyone knew we would take Carr in 2002. That was one of the worst kept secrets in NFL draft history.

It becomes harder to predict now that we aren't at the top of the draft.

royce1054
03-14-2005, 04:51 PM
funny listened to 610 also and while McClain noted that WR (Williamson) would be a need to compliment AJ he might be gone & that if the Texans went OLB (like a Babin) that he would need to be profiecent in pass coverage. i personally think the Texans have their eye on Darryl Blackstock, Virgina with the 2nd rd. pick he already has 3-4 experience and now his coach is a Texan assistant.

then he went on to say the Texans may in fact pick a CB. specificly Carlos Rogers name was mentioned, John mentioned three sources he trusts all recorded his 40 times as legit form 4.31 to 4.38. CB does make sense if Williamson is gone, with Dunta & Carlos on the corners, Glenn playing nickle and rotating in different schemes would be very disruptive. from the couple of times I saw Rogers play he was very physical hitting like a Safety and would be excellent coming of the edge in blitzing situations & with his speed like Dunta should be able to get to QB's at will.

K now that i am hearing about Orlando Pace. I dont think we will have a pick. If we still do. Spears wont be there he will be taken 12 chargers. Williamson will be there he could actually fall to 14 or 19. Blackstock is a end of 1st round to beginning 2nd roound player. Carlos Rodgers i have slipping into the top 20's. All could help. Rodgers doesnt make sense because we signed sanders and we have faggins. Blackstock makes sense only if we trade down and sit Peek. i doubt that. Williamson is a good possibility but now that pace might be coming here i doubt any of them will be taken. I think the Texans will take gibson in the 2nd round WR

tiger06
03-14-2005, 04:58 PM
If we trade for Pace, there's no way we'll still have the 13th pick

royce1054
03-14-2005, 05:06 PM
or a 1st rounder this year or next year a second rounder next year. We wont have much. But hey Carr will sleep alot better knowing this

beerlover
03-14-2005, 07:18 PM
John McClain never mention'ed PACE, guess he just didn't want to spill the beans and ruin his credibilty with the Texans front office :heh:

man this kinda sucks for us draft geeks doen't it? how do you all feel? No chance at Williamson or Johnson or Pac or Rogers or Davis just to name a few. guess the Rams will go ahead & draft Barron @ #13

royce1054
03-14-2005, 07:39 PM
well what i am hearing is that they wont lest pace go for under 2 1st round picks. If we go that way we wont have 1 this year or next year. I can see this year bc there really isnt 13 good quality picks like last year, I havent looked at next yers crop yet so i dont know

beerlover
03-15-2005, 05:40 PM
once again for all those draft Barron threads, McClain flatly denied the Texans had any interest in taking a offensive lineman with the 13th pick, he said (how to put it nicely...) none where good enough.

WR if Williamson is available or a CB like Carlos Rogers @ #13 unless another trade materializes :whew

TheOgre
03-15-2005, 05:55 PM
McClain isn't wrong...yet.

Blake
03-15-2005, 06:05 PM
once again for all those draft Barron threads, McClain flatly denied the Texans had any interest in taking a offensive lineman with the 13th pick, he said (how to put it nicely...) none where good enough.


The funny thing is that if there was a good enough tackle, like Dbrickshaw, he would go in the top 5.

I know Barrons not as good a prospect as Dbrickshaw, and thats why dbrick would go top 5, and Barron will not.

just my :twocents:

TheOgre
03-21-2005, 09:19 AM
McClain came out and said that he thinks the Texans will take Troy Williamson if he is still on the board. Keep in mind that he told us we would pick Carr, AJ, and Dunte before the draft as well.

nunusguy
03-21-2005, 09:27 AM
McClain came out and said that he thinks the Texans will take Troy Williamson if he is still on the board. Keep in mind that he told us we would pick Carr, AJ, and Dunte before the draft as well.
And something else he got right - he said all along that Bosseli would not
play for us. I think he had some real insider info on that series of events involving Bosseli.
If he is right about Williamson, then in the event he's gone when we pick at 13 theres a good chance we take Mark Clayton. Though he is not as big as
the SC receiver, he is almost as fast and has great hands and runs very good routes. And he would have the perfect disposition to be the #2 behind
AJ - a real team guy with a great work ethic.

beerlover
03-21-2005, 09:31 AM
McClain came out and said that he thinks the Texans will take Troy Williamson if he is still on the board. Keep in mind that he told us we would pick Carr, AJ, and Dunte before the draft as well.

the same thing he said last week (at least he is not waffleing) :fib a caller also asked him if the Texans would take Carlos Rogers and McClain flatly stated not with the 13th pick.

Personally I don't think with the depth at WR in the draft we use our 1st on one, maybe a 2nd but I think our backfield is much more suspect than Andre Johnson, Jabbar Gafney & Derrick Armstrong to name a few as oppossed to Domianck Davis, David Wells and Tony Hollings.

Since the CB position is also deep maybe they do go OLB as he indicated was a possiblity, does Merriman slip, how high do the Texans rate Pollack or are they keeping quiet about a Demarcus Ware to name a few?

texasguy346
03-21-2005, 09:36 AM
I really don't think Williamson will be gone at 13. It seems like Williams and Edwards are on a different level than any of the other WRs in this draft, and those two guys will go early in all likelyhood. I wouldn't mind seeing Williamson in a Texans jersey, but if Merriman or Spears was still on the board at 13 I'd definately hope the Texans would take a hard look at both of those guys. It would be interesting to see how many times a team's first round pick was from the same school in consecutive years.

Texan in Japan
03-21-2005, 02:50 PM
Given Dom's visit to the SC WRs Pro Day (1 of 2 head coaches in attendence), Williamson might truly be our guy. Guess we'll have to see any one trades up ahead of us for him or someone we like better drops to 13.

D-ReK
03-21-2005, 03:02 PM
You may be reading to much into it...Capers was at Wisconsin's pro day also, prompting many (including myself) to jump on the "Texans are goona take Erasmus James" bandwagon...Bottom line is it's hard to decipher Capers' motives for being at certain pro days...There may be a few guys there we're high on, or it may just be a smoke screen...

Honoring Earl 34
03-21-2005, 04:12 PM
:thumbup The Oliver Stone theory is since McClain said the Texans liked Carlos Rogers but not at 13 , means the Texans hope he's there at 13 .

Blake
03-21-2005, 04:32 PM
I really don't think Williamson will be gone at 13. It seems like Williams and Edwards are on a different level than any of the other WRs in this draft, and those two guys will go early in all likelyhood. I wouldn't mind seeing Williamson in a Texans jersey, but if Merriman or Spears was still on the board at 13 I'd definately hope the Texans would take a hard look at both of those guys. It would be interesting to see how many times a team's first round pick was from the same school in consecutive years.

Everyone talks about taking BPA, with #13, but I dont think that Williamson, the 3rd or 4th rated WR (depending on who you talk to) is better than someone like, Spears, DJ, Merriman, Jones, Rolle, Barron, C. Williams, M. Williams.

Players I would take before Williamson.

1. Mike Williams
2. Braylon Edwards
3. Ronnie Brown
4. Cedric Benson
5. Cadillac Williams
6. Derrick Johnson
7. Shawne Merriman
8. Alex Barron
9. Marcus Spears
10. Adam Jones
11. Antrel Rolle
and then Williamson.

royce1054
03-21-2005, 06:18 PM
The only way we could get Blackstock is if we trade up to then end of the 1st round of the 1st or2nd pick of the 2nd round. That would cost us a 2nd and 3rd.

Blackstock Draft predictions have him 28th through 35 thats a value of 660 through 550

our 2nd round pick is worth 470 and 73 is worth 225 and 78 220.

dont forget we do have sharper...

I know he said he has no interest in a OL maybe that means he doesnt want one in the early rounds.. we do need some depth though

outofhnd
03-21-2005, 11:05 PM
I think we are kinda coveting the idea of a speedy #2 guy, but i perfer a chain mover that is a catch all as my #2 than another burner.

Bradford is a burner and he did not open up anything for AJ. Not to mention the palmer offense requires QB and WR making the same read. I Dont think any of the 2nd best receivers could start as a #2 in this offense and get alot of passes from D.C.

They will definately double Andre. Our #2 guy to me has to find the gaps in zone. And outbattle man coverage for the ball.

We arent going for Hail Mary's on Every Play. We just need a nice short to medium route runner with glue hands and a nose for the 1st down marker.

That being said I say we go for Spears. If Walker , Payne, or Smith - especially Smith go down, we are in huge trouble. If spears is not available then maybe we should go pass rusher or corner.

The Preacher
03-21-2005, 11:25 PM
I'd be all for Spears since we need quality depth and youth there but for some reason d-line is really risky. Cleveland's famous two picks warren and brown, jimmy kennedy, not to mention several others never panned out. I don't know what the deal is but for some reason these guys don't work out. Will Spears ever dominate maybe but in recent years this position has been losing its luster in the draft. Last year Tommie Harris at #14 was first d-line taken.

Sounds like Clayton is you're guy at wr2 I know I can't stop pushing this guy.

beerlover
03-22-2005, 03:19 AM
:thumbup The Oliver Stone theory is since McClain said the Texans liked Carlos Rogers but not at 13 , means the Texans hope he's there at 13 .

EXACTLY

Rogers is fast becoming the #1 CB in the draft, this information came earlier-

HE CAN PLAY-When it comes to the draft, Carlos Rogers is Auburn's forgotten man.

There's plenty of hype surrounding former Tiger running backs Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams, and the emergence of quarterback Jason Campbell has also been well-documented.

All for good reason. Auburn went 13-0 last fall, winning the SEC championship and the Sugar Bowl. Brown and Williams both might be picked in the top 10 next month.

If Rogers checks out well medically, he could also be a first-round pick. He missed the Senior Bowl due to a sore hamstring but the Thorpe Award winner as the nation's outstanding defensive back last fall has demonstrated outstanding cover skills and also found a way to contribute - notably on special teams and with aggressive run defense - when teams refused to throw his way last fall.

Rogers has all the physical tools NFL teams are looking for in top-shelf corners and his stock has been on the rise after he saved his best college performance for last fall.

And this just in March 21st from Auburn Pro Day- Rogers only did position drills and "wowed" all in attendance with his skills.

McClain is now offically a company man :listening

The Preacher
03-22-2005, 10:29 AM
Why wait another year to draft an elite cb if we can do it now and we might not get another chance? AG is the perfect guy to develop one more cb before he steps down and if we got rogers we would be set on the corners for years. It's hard to get one shutdown guy much less two I hope we don't pass on this opportunity to snag rogers just because this a "cb rich draft".

Vinny
03-22-2005, 10:31 AM
I've heard from a couple of people closer to the team than me that we are real hot over Williamson also. Williamson won the skill challenges on the College All-Star challenge competition and drew comparisons to the Packers Javon Walker by dominating the other WR's the same way Javon did. Right now I think he is a strong possibility at 13.

beerlover
03-22-2005, 12:02 PM
Williamson may be the odds on favorite but with a month to go-

The event was run outdoors on FieldTurf. All 32 teams were in attendance with 60-plus people there. There were a lot of running back coaches, including Chick Harris of the Texans, Stump Mitchell of Seahawks, Dean Dalton of Vikings and Art Valero of the Bucs. Also there was player personnel director Lynn Stiles from the Chiefs and college scouting director Phil Emery from the Falcons. A total of 14 players worked out.
Player Position Gil's comments

Ronnie Brown RB Brown only did position drills.

Carlos Rogers CB Rogers only did position drills and "wowed" all in attendance with his skills.

Carnell Williams RB Williams only did position drills.
Jason Campbell QB Campbell ran his 40s in 4.85 and 4.89.
Junior Rosegreen SS Rosegreen ran his 40s in 4.65 and 4.65.

TheOgre
03-22-2005, 01:18 PM
WR, TE, SS, and OLB are the only positions on the team where I think a 1st rounder could step in and possibly start immediately (although the same could be said for ILB if Wong stayed outside). Taking a TE or SS with the 13th overall pick seems to be overpaying for a lesser position (unless you could get an Ed Reed or Shockey). I have a feeling management wants to see if Peek will pan out or not. If he doesn't pan out, we know what our 1st rounder will probably be in 2006.

D-ReK
03-22-2005, 01:42 PM
I still say that SS isn't a need and there is no safety in this draft worth the 13th pick...I strongly doubt that Davis could just step in and take Earl's spot, and the 13th pick is far too high for a back-up strong safety with speed issues...

Blake
03-22-2005, 01:56 PM
I still say that SS isn't a need and there is no safety in this draft worth the 13th pick...I strongly doubt that Davis could just step in and take Earl's spot, and the 13th pick is far too high for a back-up strong safety with speed issues...

It is kind of weird. Places like nfldraftcountdown.com have our needs as,

LB
SS
OT
WR
RB

I think they like the idea of making a complete secondary with stars, over filling in needs. They say we have 3/4ths of a great secondary, and all we need is SS. Well what about our O-line? Or our D-line? Or WR's?

It used to be SS, OT, WR, RB. But he recently changed it.

As GM, @13, I would take BPA out of WR/RB/LT/OLB/ILB/CB/DT-DE.

@13, I wouldnt take a QB/TE/C/LG-RG/FB/FS/RT/SS.

royce1054
03-22-2005, 02:02 PM
the Mock draft site i am apart of they sponser them....(nfldraftcountdown.com) I told them they need to update it... B4 WR wasnt even on the list. SS was #1, LB #2 OL #3 TE #4 RB #5 i was like this is wrong.

I think drafting Williamson at #13 helps the O
then trading up Sharper and a #2 to Pittsburg (my guess) for their #1
draft Darryl Blackstock and sit Peek

D-ReK
03-22-2005, 02:05 PM
It is kind of weird. Places like nfldraftcountdown.com have our needs as,

LB
SS
OT
WR
RB

I think they like the idea of making a complete secondary with stars, over filling in needs. They say we have 3/4ths of a great secondary, and all we need is SS. Well what about our O-line? Or our D-line? Or WR's?

It used to be SS, OT, WR, RB. But he recently changed it.

As GM, @13, I would take BPA out of WR/RB/LT/OLB/ILB/CB/DT-DE.

@13, I wouldnt take a QB/TE/C/LG-RG/FB/FS/RT/SS.

Most places that have SS as one of our needs are assuming that Eric Brown was our starter, and not Earl...Even if they have realized this, they likely think "Earl was a 4th rounder, he can't be that good. He's no Gibril Wilson. They need another 1st rounder in their secondary, not a pass rush."

I gave up on places like that because most people could care less about the Texans and just look at our depth chart and think "Hmmmmm, I've never heard of this guy, he must suck."

I also agree with your sentiment of taking BPA at WR/RB/LT/LB/CB/D-Line...

Blake
03-22-2005, 02:14 PM
I think drafting Williamson at #13 helps the O
then trading up Sharper and a #2 to Pittsburg (my guess) for their #1
draft Darryl Blackstock and sit Peek

Im not that high on Blackstock. If im going to trade up for a OLB, it would be Kevin Burnett, OLB, Tennessee. This guy is good. He might slip to us in the 2nd, but I seriously doubt it. JMO

LikeABoss
03-22-2005, 04:08 PM
I've heard from a couple of people closer to the team than me that we are real hot over Williamson also. Williamson won the skill challenges on the College All-Star challenge competition and drew comparisons to the Packers Javon Walker by dominating the other WR's the same way Javon did. Right now I think he is a strong possibility at 13.

Sounds good to me :thumbup

Honoring Earl 34
03-22-2005, 04:45 PM
:thumbup The strength of the draft is CB and WR . I guess these two positions will be taken within the first three rounds . That gives some wiggle room for the BPA with the other pick .

Honoring Earl 34
03-22-2005, 04:48 PM
:thumbup Everybody please remove your hats for my new Earl avatar . Thanks so much whoever is responsible . It looks great and makes me proud to be a football fan from Texas .

Sarg01
03-22-2005, 04:51 PM
:thumbup The strength of the draft is CB and WR . I guess these two positions will be taken within the first three rounds . That gives some wiggle room for the BPA with the other pick .

Interior OLine is good in this draft too. Would hate to miss out because we have some big needs there. Though there's no interior OL worth #13, agreed.

D-ReK
03-22-2005, 05:09 PM
:thumbup Everybody please remove your hats for my new Earl avatar . Thanks so much whoever is responsible . It looks great and makes me proud to be a football fan from Texas .

texanpride

uga_iv
03-22-2005, 09:51 PM
:thumbup Everybody please remove your hats for my new Earl avatar . Thanks so much whoever is responsible . It looks great and makes me proud to be a football fan from Texas .

The Tyler Rose is my favorite running back of all times. Great avatar!

Oh . . . I almost forgot. I don't pay attention to what John McClain thinks until a few days before the draft. I remember last year he kept saying we were going to pick Gamble out of Ohio State and that he was the best CB in the draft. Then as we got closer to draft day his opinion of Gamble went down and he started saying we would pick Dunta. Until we have all the data from the combine, workouts on campus, as well as hints from coaching staffs, it is PURE speculation -- and even WITH all that information, it is STILL speculation. This year is more difficult to guess because of our position in the draft, the talent that might be available at that position and our needs. Does Vegas keep odds on who teams will pick?

royce1054
03-22-2005, 10:41 PM
You know i am sure you can bet on anything but this year i wouldnt gaurantee anything

uga_iv
03-23-2005, 09:28 AM
Doesn't Vegas take bets on the initial coin toss at the Super Bowl?

Oh yea . . . don't want to stray off topic . . . "hijacking" is a federal offense. I think this year it is very difficult for John McClain or Mel Kiper to predict what the Texans will do in the NFL Draft.

texasguy346
03-23-2005, 09:31 AM
Yeah Vegas takes bets on the coin toss, and nearly every other aspect of the game. You can even bet on things like the team receiving the kickoff returning it for a TD to open up the game, and other such things.

cadahnic
03-23-2005, 10:26 AM
I like Carlos Rogers at 13 personally, if we cannot DJ. Our division is laden with passers and if we can never have to many shut down corners. C. Rogers would move Faggins to dime packages which makes us really strong.

D-ReK
03-23-2005, 11:19 AM
I like Carlos Rogers at 13 personally, if we cannot DJ. Our division is laden with passers and if we can never have to many shut down corners. C. Rogers would move Faggins to dime packages which makes us really strong.

Agreed...Taking Rogers would allow Lewis Sanders to be moved to FS, so it would help our overall secondary depth...

bckey
03-23-2005, 12:13 PM
If we stay at 13 I wouldn't mind Carlos Rogers either. I think he is the best cb in the draft. Rolle and Jones will probably go ahead of him.

royce1054
03-23-2005, 01:43 PM
Rodgers is good but i dont think he is right for the texans... We need a #2 WR not a CB that will only come in in Dime Situations... You are forgettting about Faggins.. Hes are Nickel CB.

beerlover
03-23-2005, 01:58 PM
somewhere we've lost the point of what John McClain said, which was #13 was too high for Carlos Rogers (remember this is according to John McClain). I'm not disagreeing with any of you, I too think by drafting Rogers that would set our db's for at least the next 3-4 years.

his logic is something like the Texans are in love with Williamson & projected to be the BPA barring any unforseen turn of events (which is always possible). :)

Vinny
03-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Rodgers is good but i dont think he is right for the texans... We need a #2 WR not a CB that will only come in in Dime Situations... You are forgettting about Faggins.. Hes are Nickel CB.Dunta actually plays our nickel. Faggins rolls over to Dunta's position and Dunta rolls to the slot when we are in the Nickel. We do this so that we have a hitter coming off the edge with a Nickel blitz looming at any given time.

royce1054
03-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Dunta actually plays our nickel. Faggins rolls over to Dunta's position and Dunta rolls to the slot when we are in the Nickel. We do this so that we have a hitter coming off the edge with a Nickel blitz looming at any given time.

I agree that we need 3 CB in the AFC south to cover the Indy's of the world. I seriously think that we can get a CB with good talent in the 3rd round. We can groom him to be the #2 behind Dunta next year after Glenn is gone. There is so much depth there i think it can work

nunusguy
03-23-2005, 06:41 PM
I agree that we need 3 CB in the AFC south to cover the Indy's of the world.
Always need to remember that the greatest CBs that ever walked this green
earth can't provide coverage of even average WRs and their average QB if they don't get some pressure up front from their teammates on the QB. If
the QB can sit back and take target practice.... What we need for our D is
QB pressure from the front 7 - we are good in the DBackfield.

royce1054
03-23-2005, 09:30 PM
Always need to remember that the greatest CBs that ever walked this green
earth can't provide coverage of even average WRs and their average QB if they don't get some pressure up front from their teammates on the QB. If
the QB can sit back and take target practice.... What we need for our D is
QB pressure from the front 7 - we are good in the DBackfield.

Our D-line is underachieve this year. i expect them to achieve this year of i think 1 might be released. I do think that we will trade up into late 1st round maybe #29 pick and get a OLB in the draft.

Mr Shush
03-24-2005, 06:42 AM
There is no longer any such thing as a shut down corner. Good yes (Dunta), shut down, no. Taking a corner at 13, if he's good, is still just about ok - I'm not saying we shouldn't draft Rogers. But if Tennessee stay at 6 (I think they'd prefer not to) and draft Rolle or Jones (I think they will), they are even stupider than they look.

D-ReK
03-24-2005, 09:38 AM
That's true...The age of the cornerback is over...If we could generate a pass rush, we could have a secondary full of undrafted free agents and we'd still be ok...

infantrycak
03-24-2005, 09:42 AM
That's true...The age of the cornerback is over...If we could generate a pass rush, ..

Well NFL GM's and coaches certainly don't agree with you. For the 2nd year in a row, the biggest free agent competition and contracts has been for CB's. As a result, the franchise tag number is now greater for CB's than any other position including QB.

The Preacher
03-24-2005, 09:57 AM
I bet Pittsburgh wishes they had some decent corners. Best pass rush in the league just about and 41 points later have a nice offseason.

Honoring Earl 34
03-24-2005, 10:04 AM
:woot A bad CB is still a bad CB . Even with laxed rules good coverage is a must , it buys time for the pass rush when your DL is ok at best.

D-ReK
03-24-2005, 10:08 AM
Well NFL GM's and coaches certainly don't agree with you. For the 2nd year in a row, the biggest free agent competition and contracts has been for CB's. As a result, the franchise tag number is now greater for CB's than any other position including QB.

Well, I could say look at the Patriots, but I won't...That seems to be everyone's response to everything around here, so I'll just say good job, cak...I was off base...

Honoring Earl 34
03-24-2005, 10:15 AM
:thumbup I think it puts real coverage CBs with speed at a premium . The slower physical CBs who liked to wrestle are the ones that are obselete .

infantrycak
03-24-2005, 11:51 AM
Well, I could say look at the Patriots, but I won't...That seems to be everyone's response to everything around here, so I'll just say good job, cak...I was off base...

I wouldn't call it off-base--it certainly has been said by fans this year.

The Patriots did make do this season--but let's face it that wasn't by choice. By choice they had one of the most expensive CB's in the league. Realistically, they got by with a fantastic front seven and luck at having a WR athletic and savy enough as a stop gap.

IMO the new rules have in large part discounted the urge for teams and fans to lust after big physical CB's to take on big physical WR's. Those guys typically don't have the reactions and closing speed of guys like Winfield, Glenn, Robinson, etc. Used to be both kinds could survive and excel in the league, now the pool is narrowing back to the quick & fast guys. Anytime you narrow the supply line, the price goes up. Look at it another way--in an age where the NFL is doing everything possible to encourage the passing game do you really want hacks out there?

IMO also you are going to see vets like Bailey & Glenn, who people thought had bad years or were slowing down, recover next year and play better after a year of experience learning how the refs were going to call the new rules.

TexansTrueFan
03-24-2005, 11:58 AM
i'd like to see Carlos R come here, i mean we already have a pretty good secondary IMO, and the lack of pass rush we have had only leads me to think we need to make the secondary as good as we possibly can, since i dont see us getting any DL through FA or the Draft !

beerlover
03-25-2005, 05:25 PM
McClain for Good Friday 3/25-

NO WAY TEXANS TAKE BARRON OR ANY OFFENSIVE LINEMAN IN THE 1ST ROUND.

WR OR CB. WILLIAMSON OR TOP CB (Rolle/Pac-Man {Carlos Rogers})

NO MENTION OF A RUNNINGBACK OTHER THAN ONE OF THE TOP 3.

NO OLB BECAUSE OF THE BABIN PICK LAST YEAR & PEEK MAY BE READY.

NO DL BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY HEAVILY INVESTED IN THE PRESENT FRONT 3.

to his credit John McClain has been true to his word and stuck with Williamson, now is the 1st time he admits that corner could be addressed specificly. his 2nd choice then after Williamson is Pac-Man Jones (Rolle will be gone) with a slight acknowledgment to Carlos Rogers as the darkhorse closing fast but still on the outside looking in :shocked

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 05:34 PM
Where'd you see/hear that? I just looked on Chron.Com and didn't see anything...This is most certainly an interesting development...Good to see the Texans having a little faith in Peek...

beerlover
03-25-2005, 05:37 PM
Where'd you see/hear that? I just looked on Chron.Com and didn't see anything...This is most certainly an interesting development...Good to see the Texans having a little faith in Peek...

sorry about that he has been on sports 610 the last hour, he'll be on until 6:00.

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the heads up...I really need to listen to 610 more :thumbup ...

royce1054
03-25-2005, 05:58 PM
i'd like to see Carlos R come here, i mean we already have a pretty good secondary IMO, and the lack of pass rush we have had only leads me to think we need to make the secondary as good as we possibly can, since i dont see us getting any DL through FA or the Draft !

I think Pac-man will be taken by Titans and rolle either by arizona or Washington. Any thoughts on that

nunusguy
03-25-2005, 06:17 PM
I to heard McClain on 610 this afternoon and found him entertaining as
usual. Would liked to have asked him if the Texans might take Mark Clayton
(or another WR) with their top pick if Williamson was gone when they picked.
Also would have been fun to ask him why the consensus has us taking Barron but he is so adamantly believes the Texans will not use a first round pick on
an OL. Perhaps he tell us why the mockers are so misinformed ?

royce1054
03-25-2005, 06:20 PM
I to heard McClain on 610 this afternoon and found him entertaining as
usual. Would liked to have asked him if the Texans might take Mark Clayton
(or another WR) with their top pick if Williamson was gone when they picked.
Also would have been fun to ask him why the consensus has us taking Barron but he is so adamantly believes the Texans will not use a first round pick on
an OL. Perhaps he tell us why the mockers are so misinformed ?

I caught the end of statement.. he said WR, OL, DL, LB,CB right did i hear something wrong i should of been on earlier.

nunusguy
03-26-2005, 08:01 AM
I caught the end of statement.. he said WR, OL, DL, LB,CB right did i hear something wrong i should of been on earlier.
Unless I misunderstood what McClain said, he basically ruled out every position except WR and CB for the top pick. And that was not just the first round, because I think he said the first and second round picks would be WR & CB ( or it could be in the order of CB & WR). Interesting because this seems to ignore the BPA concept, although indirectly maybe it doesn't since
WR & CB are the very strengths of this draft along with RB.

royce1054
03-26-2005, 06:55 PM
Unless I misunderstood what McClain said, he basically ruled out every position except WR and CB for the top pick. And that was not just the first round, because I think he said the first and second round picks would be WR & CB ( or it could be in the order of CB & WR). Interesting because this seems to ignore the BPA concept, although indirectly maybe it doesn't since
WR & CB are the very strengths of this draft along with RB.

:thumbup I agree. I just dont see Pac-man and Antrel Rolle slippin to #13... i dont think Rodgers would be a good #13. If we move down maybe. We could even move up into the end of the late 1st round and get a Justin Miller, Eric Green, or Brandon Browner. I would be very happy with a Williamson, Miller 1st round draft draft.

bckey
03-26-2005, 07:39 PM
Unless I misunderstood what McClain said, he basically ruled out every position except WR and CB for the top pick. And that was not just the first round, because I think he said the first and second round picks would be WR & CB ( or it could be in the order of CB & WR). Interesting because this seems to ignore the BPA concept, although indirectly maybe it doesn't since
WR & CB are the very strengths of this draft along with RB.


And you think McClain is going to tip our hand and say what we will take in the draft? Maybe if we had the first pick or something but at 13 there is no way we narrow it down to wr and cb and then broadcast it on the radio. There is going to be a lot of smoke blowing from now until the draft. We will not be able to see clearly until the Texans pick is announced from the podium on April 23. The Houston Texans select...

Vinny
03-26-2005, 07:42 PM
McClain just speaks his opinion. He doesn't speak for the Texans nor does he claim to speak on their behalf.

royce1054
03-26-2005, 08:29 PM
McClain just speaks his opinion. He doesn't speak for the Texans nor does he claim to speak on their behalf.

you have to admit majority of what he says makes since though

nunusguy
03-26-2005, 09:58 PM
I don't know if McClain gets his info from journalistic sources or a crystal ball
but I do know his track record to successfully predict our first round picks has
been well established.

royce1054
03-26-2005, 10:09 PM
I don't know if McClain gets his info from journalistic sources or a crystal ball
but I do know his track record to successfully predict our first round picks has
been well established.

There is several ways we can go... WR, CB, OLB. All three can be 1st rounds picks.
Replacing Bradford is one way we can go
Drafting a Cornerback to replace Gleen next year is a way we can go
and getting a outside LB can also help us out much.

bckey
03-26-2005, 10:46 PM
McClain just speaks his opinion. He doesn't speak for the Texans nor does he claim to speak on their behalf.

My bad Vinny. I had Bob McNair on the brain. Never mind.

nunusguy
03-27-2005, 09:57 AM
CB is arguably the position where the best, most complete football players in the NFL are most frequently found. And it is with out doubt a prime position for a teams largest financial investments with regard to player personnel. Just look at our team, out of the half dozen first round selections amoung last years starters fully 1/3 of them were represented by our CB starters. At the other extreme, the highest draft pick amoung our
down lineman was S.Payne at the 4th round and R.Smith was a
lowly 6th round selection coming out of Michigan St.
Since this is a very strong year for corners in a draft class that is thought by
many to be relatively weak in general it is an easy call to predict that
one of the 2 most likely positions we use our 13th overall on is CB, especially
when you factor in A.Glenns age. So I hardly think McClain or anyone else goes out on a limb with this prediction.

beerlover
03-27-2005, 10:41 AM
this thead is merely to settle the restless natives down, relax don't worry everything is going to come out in the Texans favor :) John has a real down home character to both his articles and his interviews. he seems like a very likable guy with integrity whom people trust (at least to some degree) so his opinion carrys some weight, not to mention his track record is solid as it relates to Texans picks.

ThOrNy
03-27-2005, 10:47 AM
beerlover u read my mind about us looking at blackstock, i think he would be a top 5 pick with another year in college with double digit sacks but hey if he wants to caome out now all the better for us at # 13.

beerlover
04-11-2005, 08:06 AM
McClain is on sports radio 610 right now, just thought I'd give anyone interested a heads up :listening

ArlingtonTexan
04-11-2005, 08:18 AM
McClain is on sports radio 610 right now, just thought I'd give anyone interested a heads up :listening

If says anything related to the Texans gives us the notes as 610 does not stream.

WWJD
04-11-2005, 08:22 AM
He has 2 shows with 610 a week.

On Mondays with the morning guys.

On Fridays with the afternoon guys..usually 4:30 to 6.

beerlover
04-11-2005, 08:24 AM
He has 2 shows with 610 a week.

On Mondays with the morning guys.

On Fridays with the afternoon guys..usually 4:30 to 6.

only three more shows until the draft :whoohoo:

Tex in a Can
04-11-2005, 09:07 AM
He did backpedal but he still said that he thinks WR is the Texan's first choice. I hope one of the "Big 3" WR's falls to us. I could see Chicago, Minnesota, Washington, Tennessee and/or San Diego potentially drafting WR's ahead of us. Any other teams that might go WR? We know Arizona won't LOL.


Can't see Tenn taking a wr, they have other, much bigger holes and could trade down with someone wanting a wr. Hey, let's swap picks with them, they want OL Barron, and give them a 3rd and we get one of these wr's. :woot

Like any draft, there will be surprises, some teams will reach and there will be players dropping.

beerlover
04-11-2005, 09:15 AM
nothing new, Casserly will take Williamson if he stays put @ #13. that Casserly will not trade with Synder (Redskins) because each wants to get the better of the other. And that Matt Jones has a better arm than most people think and a team who drafts him should give him a chance to develop at QB.

for my money the most bang for the buck would be to trade our 1st round pick for a high 2nd round pick & that teams #1 next year. we have to stay focused on the 5 year plan & set ouselves up pretty for the 2006 season.

Lucky
04-11-2005, 09:31 AM
If says anything related to the Texans gives us the notes as 610 does not stream.
I listened to as much as I could. McClain said the Texans would likely move up or down on draft day, but they wouldn't trade with Washington. McClain thinks one of the Big Three RBs will drop. There is a big dropoff at the CB position from Rolle & Pac Man to the 3rd CB (Rogers?). Still thinks SF will take Aaron Rodgers.

Most of McClain's time was spent on Bagwell & Biggio's chances at the HOF, Vida Guerra, Angelina Jolie vs Tiger's wife, or how cold the NFL owners' wives thought Atlanta was in Y2K. If you need this type of insider info, let me know.

wags
04-11-2005, 11:11 AM
Heads up!!! Troy Williamson has a chat on ESPN at 2 PM central. I think at least one of us should get in a question about the Texans.

Vinny
04-11-2005, 11:38 AM
I read an article where he compared himself to Chad Johnson.

ArlingtonTexan
04-11-2005, 05:57 PM
I listened to as much as I could. McClain said the Texans would likely move up or down on draft day, but they wouldn't trade with Washington. McClain thinks one of the Big Three RBs will drop. There is a big dropoff at the CB position from Rolle & Pac Man to the 3rd CB (Rogers?). Still thinks SF will take Aaron Rodgers.

Most of McClain's time was spent on Bagwell & Biggio's chances at the HOF, Vida Guerra, Angelina Jolie vs Tiger's wife, or how cold the NFL owners' wives thought Atlanta was in Y2K. If you need this type of insider info, let me know.

Oh so he has not changed a bit in year or so that I have not been able to hear him regularly. Lots of gossips and junk, and football takes I get from an online source...thanks for effort Lucky

Lucky
04-11-2005, 10:42 PM
Oh so he has not changed a bit in year or so that I have not been able to hear him regularly...
You know how I feel about the guy, but I usually bite my lip around here because there are so many McClain lovers. But for a guy who has such great Texan contacts, why didn't he even mention the possibility of Bradford re-signing with the team? According to Casserly, Bradford agreed to terms a week ago. Really, that says it all.

Of course, McClain is the "national writer". The other scrubs like Duarte & Thompson are supposed to be covering the local team. Where are they? At the Final 4, spring training, the Masters, a ping-pong tournament...anywhere but Reliant Park. With less than 2 weeks before the draft.

The Chronic's coverage of the Texans is pathetic, but some fans eat it up & swear it tastes great. Sure, the NFL coverage has improved from when the city didn't have a team. But that's like replacing "Gruel" with "Gruel with Sugar!". It's still gruel and this team & these fans deserve better. Whether they realize it or not.

outofhnd
04-11-2005, 11:01 PM
I think McClain is wrong this year and we go with Ware. His projection has shot up to 11-15 with 11-14 teams holding private visits with Ware Parcells was very impressed, as were we. I think we take him at 13 if dallas does not take him at 11.

And if you havent read any other post i made today the latest rumor is Washington is working out WR's and not CB's. That tells me something about what they feel they got with the Moss Coles trade. they are looking at williamson and clayton.