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CloakNNNdagger
07-08-2010, 06:20 AM
Current Texan may be best receiver Houston has ever seen (http://www.caller.com/news/2010/jul/07/current-texan-may-be-best-receiver-houston-has/?print=1)

Originally published 02:55 p.m., July 7, 2010
Updated 02:55 p.m., July 7, 2010

CORPUS CHRISTI — When it comes to who is the all-time best receiver in Houston’s 50-year pro football history, fans may be watching him right now.

Andre Johnson has been on the shortlist of top receivers in the NFL for the past few years and is the most likely current Houston Texans to beat the past Houston Oilers on our list.

But it will be up to the voters to decide.

Help select the all-time Houston pro football team’s wide receivers (pick 2) at Caller.com. Here are the candidates (Statistics, honors and years played are from time spent only with Houston pro franchises; seasons spent with Houston pro franchises are listed in parentheses).

Kenny Burrough (1971-1981)

Third on the Oilers in career receiving yards (6,907), sixth in receptions (408) and tied for second in touchdown catches (47). Led NFL with 1,063 receiving yards in 1975. Led team in receptions seven times. Made two Pro Bowls.

Curtis Duncan (1987-1993)

Seventh in Oilers career receptions (322) and yards (3,935), with 20 touchdowns. Had 82 receptions for 954 yards in 1992 to earn Pro Bowl appearance.

Ernest Givins (1986-1994)

Oilers’ all-time leader in receptions (542) and yardage (7,935). His 46 touchdowns are fourth in franchise history. Passed 1,000 yards receiving only in rookie season. Two-time Pro Bowler. UPI All-AFC in 1990.

Bill Groman (1960-1962)

His 1,473 receiving yards in 1960 are third all-time for the Oilers. Twice, he went over 1,000 yards in a season, and twice he averaged more than 20 yards a catch. Two-time All-AFL.

Charley Hennigan (1960-1966)

Led team in receptions four times, passing the 1,000-yard mark three times. His 1,746 receiving yards in 1961 are franchise best, while 1,546 in 1964 are second-best. His 101 receptions in 1964 are most in a season for Oilers. Most receiving touchdowns in Oilers career (51) and fourth in yards (6,823). Played in five AFL All-Star games. Named All-AFL twice.

Drew Hill (1985-1991)

Cleared 1,000 yards five times and led team in receptions four times. Second on the Oilers in career receiving yards (7,477) and touchdowns (47) and third in receptions (480). Two-time Pro Bowler.

Haywood Jeffires (1987-1995)

Led team in receptions five times, including grabbing 100 in 1991. Twice cracked the 1,000-yard barrier. Second among Oilers in receptions (512) and touchdowns (47) and fifth in yards (6,119). Made three Pro Bowls and named all-pro in 1991.

Andre Johnson (2003-present)Has caught at least 50 passes every season for the Texans, twice catching more than 100, including a franchise-high 115 in 2008. Has 7,883 receiving yards for his career and twice has surpassed 1,500 in a season. Has 42 career touchdown catches. Four-time Pro Bowler and twice all-pro.

HouSportsWriter
07-08-2010, 07:05 AM
nice read! even tho i never heard of any of the wide recivers. =d:kitten:

El Tejano
07-08-2010, 07:40 AM
nice read! even tho i never heard of any of the wide recivers. =d:kitten:

You truly missed out on Drew Hill, Ernest Givins, Haywood Jeffires,and Curtis Duncan. They were something else.

NitroGSXR
07-08-2010, 08:07 AM
You truly missed out on Drew Hill, Ernest Givins, Haywood Jeffires,and Curtis Duncan. They were something else.

Nobody could catch a sideline pass and keep his feet inbounds better than Haywood Jeffires.

Hardcore Texan
07-08-2010, 08:20 AM
Ernest Givins was always my favorite growing up, a little guy that had a lot of courage, he was so fun to watch.

Señor Stan
07-08-2010, 08:23 AM
I was surprised that Mike Renfro didn't make the list. Then I looked up his stats and they were meh.

I guess childhood memories trump reality sometimes.

False Start
07-08-2010, 08:32 AM
You truly missed out on Drew Hill, Ernest Givins, Haywood Jeffires,and Curtis Duncan. They were something else.

Yep, some of my favorite Oilers. I still do the Ernest Givins ball spin when I play front yard ball with the nephews. :smiliedance:

He was never great, but Tony "Warp Speed" Jones, was cool too..... oh and Webster Slaughter as well.

TheRealJoker
07-08-2010, 08:34 AM
I have Charley Hennigan's autograph. Heck of a player.

TexanDave
07-08-2010, 08:55 AM
It looks like Andre will pass Ernest Givins for all-time receiving yardage by a Houston wide receiver in the first game against the Colts.

I would have thought that would have been a higher number to get to.

Hardcore Texan
07-08-2010, 09:42 AM
Yep, some of my favorite Oilers. I still do the Ernest Givins ball spin when I play front yard ball with the nephews. :smiliedance:

He was never great, but Tony "Warp Speed" Jones, was cool too..... oh and Webster Slaughter as well.

How many times did Givins go up in there and end up getting flipped over and knocked around mid air and come down with the ball every time, he was like an acrobat out there.

NitroGSXR
07-08-2010, 10:01 AM
How many times did Givins go up in there and end up getting flipped over and knocked around mid air and come down with the ball every time, he was like an acrobat out there.

Nobody did that better than...

*groans*

...Don Beebe. He loved to land on his helmet after getting flipped and pop right back up!

El Tejano
07-08-2010, 10:06 AM
Nobody could catch a sideline pass and keep his feet inbounds better than Haywood Jeffires.

Except for maybe Ernest Givins.

Shaft75
07-08-2010, 10:10 AM
What? No Webster Slaughter?

HOU-TEX
07-08-2010, 10:13 AM
What? No Webster Slaughter?

I think Slaughter's best years were in Cleveland.

NitroGSXR
07-08-2010, 10:13 AM
Except for maybe Ernest Givins.

You said that already. I think it's Haywood.

NitroGSXR
07-08-2010, 10:14 AM
What? No Webster Slaughter?

No. Did you want him? Why?

eriadoc
07-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Let me lead off by saying that AJ is the best WR this city has ever seen, with the possible exception of Hennigan. Hennigan was a little before my time, but what he accomplished in that era looks like it was something pretty special.

However, I have to say that I think Jeffires would have excelled in today's NFL. He was a fast, tall, and gifted receiver. His place in history would be afforded a bit more respect if the Oilers had ever won anything. His numbers stand out even among his peers, but those of us who watched him know that the numbers don't even tell the story.

b0ng
07-08-2010, 12:09 PM
Even having said all that, the fab four still had one of the best passers in the NFL for their stays in Houston. Now Schaub was really good last year, but he is still way short of Moon's numbers and respect he had around the league during the Run and Shoot era. AJ didn't have the excellent numbers while Carr was doing him wrong, but his talent has really shown through the last 4 years (even when he came back from an MCL injury like it didn't happen). This is something me and my parents hyave discussed and they believe, as well as I, that it's going to be a long time before we somebody as good as AJ catching balls for Houston again.

Could you imagine how sick his numbers would be if he had Warren Moon throwing him the ball?

Showtime100
07-08-2010, 12:14 PM
I agree with what's been said, but just out of my fond memories I have to give double-knot Kenny Burrough some love. When he was a Houston Oiler every kid in Houston that was Oiler faithful said his name as a long bomb was coming down to them for a touchdown. Good times.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Sports/PSA-1972-Topps-026-12507695.jpg

False Start
07-08-2010, 02:10 PM
How many times did Givins go up in there and end up getting flipped over and knocked around mid air and come down with the ball every time, he was like an acrobat out there.

I'll never forget that play. Its still showed on highlight films to this day. 81 was the man. :cool:

Texecutioner
07-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Drew Hill was always my favorite out of these guys. He was fun to watch to me back in the day and I always hated Slaughter when he was on the Browns. I loved it when we added him to the mix though, because he did not disappoint.

badboy
07-08-2010, 02:27 PM
I know that Jeffiries and Kenny Burroughs gave me the most pleasure watching. AJ needs to up his TDs.

False Start
07-08-2010, 02:36 PM
Drew Hill was always my favorite out of these guys. He was fun to watch to me back in the day and I always hated Slaughter when he was on the Browns. I loved it when we added him to the mix though, because he did not disappoint.

Yep, no doubt. I was stoked when the Oilers acquired Slaughter. He was a great addition. The Oilers receivers were the best in the league back then.

HOU-TEX
07-08-2010, 02:47 PM
Yep, no doubt. I was stoked when the Oilers acquired Slaughter. He was a great addition. The Oilers receivers were the best in the league back then.

His best year with us was cut short due to blowing out his knee. I remember watching on TV. It was towards the end of the season against the Steelers (iirc).

False Start
07-08-2010, 02:50 PM
His best year with us was cut short due to blowing out his knee. I remember watching on TV. It was towards the end of the season against the Steelers (iirc).

Yeah, I remember that, I was pissed. :rake:

painekiller
07-08-2010, 03:55 PM
You truly missed out on Drew Hill, Ernest Givins, Haywood Jeffires,and Curtis Duncan. They were something else.

I would add Kenny Burrough, old 00, should be higher on the list and he was something to watch. I do not think that Houston has had a better deep threat than Kenny.

They have had more complete receivers but not a better deep guy.

aj.
07-08-2010, 06:53 PM
This is part of a larger effort to select Houston's all time pro football team. Voting is up for four positions now. I have them all linked at the bottom of this article for one stop shopping if you haven't voted on the other positions yet:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2010m7d5-Help-pick-Houstons-alltime-pro-football-team

Second Honeymoon
07-08-2010, 07:36 PM
Even having said all that, the fab four still had one of the best passers in the NFL for their stays in Houston. Now Schaub was really good last year, but he is still way short of Moon's numbers and respect he had around the league during the Run and Shoot era. AJ didn't have the excellent numbers while Carr was doing him wrong, but his talent has really shown through the last 4 years (even when he came back from an MCL injury like it didn't happen). This is something me and my parents hyave discussed and they believe, as well as I, that it's going to be a long time before we somebody as good as AJ catching balls for Houston again.

Could you imagine how sick his numbers would be if he had Warren Moon throwing him the ball?

Schaub threw for more yards last year than Moon ever did for the Oilers.

Schaub had like the 6th most passing yardage in NFL History in 2010.

As for AJ v. the old school oilers WR, I would take Andre over any of those guys. No hesitation at all.

Moon was a chokejob waiting to happen imho....but that is another story.

JB
07-08-2010, 07:51 PM
I had to go with Andre and Burroughs. But, it was tough not to vote for Charlie Hennigan. 1746 yds in 1961 was just unbelievable. And he still leads in touchdowns with 51 in six years. It took Jeffires 8 yrs and Givens 8 yrs in the run & shoot to get 47. And Burroughs 10 yrs to get to 47, of course the last 4 of those were in the Earl days where passes were few & far between.

Thinking about it, I should have gone with Hennigan.

False Start
07-08-2010, 08:30 PM
AJ is the best WR in Houston Pro Football history IMO. The man is just a beast. He is as reliable as it gets, and he has made his fair share of clutch catches.

JB
07-08-2010, 08:37 PM
AJ is the best WR in Houston Pro Football history IMO. The man is just a beast. He is as reliable as it gets, and he has made his fair share of clutch catches.

Absolutely, but who is your second?

Texecutioner
07-08-2010, 08:43 PM
AJ is the best WR in Houston Pro Football history IMO. The man is just a beast. He is as reliable as it gets, and he has made his fair share of clutch catches.

Easily. There is and never will be a WR better than AJ in Houston history. Maybe some guy will come out years from now, but I just don't see anyone being better than AJ. His numbers could have been so much better many years ago had Carr not been here.

Texan_Bill
07-08-2010, 08:45 PM
His best year with us was cut short due to blowing out his knee. I remember watching on TV. It was towards the end of the season against the Steelers (iirc).

Yup... I remember that too. And, yes, I believe it was against the Pitts!


I was actually stoked whenever we acquired Webster from Cleveland. He was a major plus by subtraction.. (for Cleveland)

Giant Tiger
07-08-2010, 08:59 PM
I was actually stoked whenever we acquired Webster from Cleveland. He was a major plus by subtraction.. (for Cleveland)

I never thought of it that way; I was wondering where we'd play him.

CloakNNNdagger
07-08-2010, 09:09 PM
Ernest Givins was always my favorite growing up, a little guy that had a lot of courage, he was so fun to watch.

How many times did Givins go up in there and end up getting flipped over and knocked around mid air and come down with the ball every time, he was like an acrobat out there.

Watch this video of Givins highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2vPmb09KI) beginning at 1:57 with the big finale at 2:30

Insideop
07-08-2010, 09:19 PM
All of the WR's mentioned were great in their own time and are considered great today, but I think, baring major injuries, AJ will go down as one of the greatest WR's in NFL history. If he and Schaub stay healthy, and keep connecting like they have been, AJ will probably have a few NFL receiving records, let alone Houston records, when it's all said and done. I just hope they both stay healthy and get a few :trophy:. I'm sure AJ and Schaub would trade records for rings! JMHO!

kiwitexansfan
07-08-2010, 09:23 PM
Ernest Givens is the man, not AJ admittedly but a legend in his own right.

False Start
07-08-2010, 09:32 PM
Absolutely, but who is your second?


For me its a tie between Burrough, and Givins. The Oilers had so many great receivers, its hard to make a decision.

Another personal Favorite was this guy:


http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0907/nfl.nicknames/images/billy-white-shoes-johnson.jpg

painekiller
07-08-2010, 10:01 PM
For me its a tie between Burrough, and Givins. The Oilers had so many great receivers, its hard to make a decision.

Another personal Favorite was this guy:


http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0907/nfl.nicknames/images/billy-white-shoes-johnson.jpg

Givins was 3rd on his team, behind Hill and Jeffires, how can he be your #2?

00 played in a different era, teams did not throw near as much or near as well as they do now. He also played on a bad team his early years in the league, he was the only weapon they had until 1976. Danta would rear back and throw the ball as far as he could, and Kenny would run under it and catch it 50 yds downfield. It was a thing of beauty.

Moon's deep ball was not as pretty as Dan Pastorini's deep ball. But Dan could not throw it short without knocking the receiver over.

As the number 2 guy behind AJ, I would have to say it was Hill or Jeffires.

Lucky
07-08-2010, 10:54 PM
This is part of a larger effort to select Houston's all time pro football team.
Wish they had included the Gamblers. Jim Kelly is still the best QB this town has ever seen, IMO.

76Texan
07-08-2010, 11:12 PM
Another personal Favorite was this guy:


http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0907/nfl.nicknames/images/billy-white-shoes-johnson.jpg
Billy White Shoes Johnson at least needs to be on the HM team.

If they didn't use him as a returner, he would have gotten more than 337 catches in his career.

13.2 yds average on punt return is simply sickening!
The guy can run some nice reverse, too!

3-time Pro-Bowler as a returner.
Pro-Bowl MVP when he took a punt 90 yds for a TD.
He was also named All-Pro once.

Billy "White Shoes" Johnson was named to both the NFL's 1980's All-Decade Team, and to the 75th Anniversary All-Time Team


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0EVm7fi0iQ

aj.
07-09-2010, 06:28 AM
You will get a chance to vote for BWS on July 17 when voting will be up for K, P, returners.

HOU-TEX
07-09-2010, 09:03 AM
No brainer. Andre Johnson and Charley Hennigan.

Does anyone know why Hennigan retires after only 6 years in the NFL? That's the only thing I can think of that could have kept him out of the HOF.

False Start
07-09-2010, 09:04 AM
Givins was 3rd on his team, behind Hill and Jeffires, how can he be your #2?

00 played in a different era, teams did not throw near as much or near as well as they do now. He also played on a bad team his early years in the league, he was the only weapon they had until 1976. Danta would rear back and throw the ball as far as he could, and Kenny would run under it and catch it 50 yds downfield. It was a thing of beauty.

Moon's deep ball was not as pretty as Dan Pastorini's deep ball. But Dan could not throw it short without knocking the receiver over.

As the number 2 guy behind AJ, I would have to say it was Hill or Jeffires.


It was just my personal preference, nothing to do with stats. EG was my favorite Oiler in the 90s.

NitroGSXR
07-09-2010, 09:41 AM
It was just my personal preference, nothing to do with stats. EG was my favorite Oiler in the 90s.

He also was my favorite behind Bubba McDowell, Cris Dishman, and Lamar Lathon.

Man those guys could hit.

False Start
07-09-2010, 09:52 AM
He also was my favorite behind Bubba McDowell, Cris Dishman, and Lamar Lathon.

Man those guys could hit.

Yeah they could. Dishman will never live down the play where he was showing the ball to the defender, and got it swatted out of his hand. I remember thinking, WTF? :pissed: However, I did like CD.

infantrycak
07-09-2010, 10:51 AM
This is part of a larger effort to select Houston's all time pro football team. Voting is up for four positions now. I have them all linked at the bottom of this article for one stop shopping if you haven't voted on the other positions yet:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2010m7d5-Help-pick-Houstons-alltime-pro-football-team

Thanks for linking them all. I was shocked to see Earl Campbell wasn't 90%.

His numbers could have been so much better many years ago had Carr not been here.

Can you imagine if this was AJ's eighth year with Schaub?

Wish they had included the Gamblers. Jim Kelly is still the best QB this town has ever seen, IMO.

Yup. Don't understand excluding Kelly. I guess because it was only two years but they included Casper with three years in Houston.

aj.
07-09-2010, 05:33 PM
Voting for the offensive tackles is up. Read the ballot and weep.

They left David Williams off for some reason. He wasn't just famous for babygate, he turned into a pretty good tackle I thought....

disaacks3
07-09-2010, 05:48 PM
Voting for the offensive tackles is up. Read the ballot and weep.

They left David Williams off for some reason. He wasn't just famous for babygate, he turned into a pretty good tackle I thought....
Wow, I hadn't thought about that ordeal in years.... Link to story on him & Babygate (http://tampabayonline.net/reports/top100/no43.htm)

eriadoc
07-09-2010, 07:26 PM
Thanks for linking them all. I was shocked to see Earl Campbell wasn't 90%.

WTH? Who in the hell would vote for anyone else but Earl? I mean, as far as Houston RBs go, it's Earl and a bunch of scrubs (relatively speaking). I just cannot even fathom a vote that doesn't have Earl as the #1 Houston RB of all time.

CloakNNNdagger
07-09-2010, 07:40 PM
WTH? Who in the hell would vote for anyone else but Earl? I mean, as far as Houston RBs go, it's Earl and a bunch of scrubs (relatively speaking). I just cannot even fathom a vote that doesn't have Earl as the #1 Houston RB of all time.

My guess is that a significant part of the voting crowd is a relatively younger group who "grew up in football" after the days of Big Earl. Too bad they missed out on what a really GREAT RB was like.

76Texan
07-09-2010, 11:05 PM
My guess is that a significant part of the voting crowd is a relatively younger group who "grew up in football" after the days of Big Earl. Too bad they missed out on what a really GREAT RB was like.

A big guy (really big guy) wasn't supposed to be able to run like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWKtv4gxuvQ

Earl Campbell I will take over O.J. Simpson or Barry Sanders.
I didn't see the other guys carry half of the defense (pretty much) into the endzone like Earl.

76Texan
07-09-2010, 11:15 PM
Look at these moves... and the guy had 30" something thighs (for real; I would never forget that fact.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4hQJelXBQ&feature=related

drs23
07-10-2010, 01:35 PM
That 80 yd TD scamper vs. Miami on MNF came on my birthday and we watched the game at my BD party. Was the best gifty I got. I remember it like it was yesterday.

Thank you Tyler Rose.

eriadoc
07-10-2010, 06:18 PM
A big guy (really big guy) wasn't supposed to be able to run like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWKtv4gxuvQ

Earl Campbell I will take over O.J. Simpson or Barry Sanders.
I didn't see the other guys carry half of the defense (pretty much) into the endzone like Earl.

I'd take Earl Campbell over any RB I've ever seen play. The only guy I'd give the benefit of a doubt over Earl is Jim Brown, and he was before my time. Payton, OJ, Barry, Emmitt, Dickerson, Faulk, etc. - All great RBs, with better stats than Earl. But NO ONE ran like Earl. It's too bad that style shortened his career, because THAT is what football is about.

Look at these moves... and the guy had 30" something thighs (for real; I would never forget that fact.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4hQJelXBQ&feature=related

36" thighs - I remember because they were each bigger than my waist. I've caught up to size 36 now in my old age, though. :(

jaayteetx
07-10-2010, 10:23 PM
How many times did Givins go up in there and end up getting flipped over and knocked around mid air and come down with the ball every time, he was like an acrobat out there.

I was at that game! I believe it was against Buffalo?
After a little research, it was indeed Buffalo and it turns out the Oilers lost that game. Funny, I could've sworn they won.

Texan_Bill
07-10-2010, 11:59 PM
Maybee I missed this thread before, maybe I didn't............ but, before there was Lawrence Taylor......... There was Robert Brazile........ AKA,

Dr. Doom.... Robert Brazile......





http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aXwvjOCyM24/SKx817vbJ6I/AAAAAAAAHcY/e7AV8hEsLjY/s400/JSU+Robert+Brazile+Jr..jpg

Texan_Bill
07-11-2010, 12:01 AM
God love the old school kneck roll!!! :D

Showtime100
07-11-2010, 04:21 AM
My guess is that a significant part of the voting crowd is a relatively younger group who "grew up in football" after the days of Big Earl. Too bad they missed out on what a really GREAT RB was like.

Yeah, that would be my guess as well. I saw three of them the other day on Jeopardy! and they didn't know who Reagan was either. :gamer:

^^(referencing another thread. :D)

aj.
07-11-2010, 06:45 AM
Thanks for linking them all. I was shocked to see Earl Campbell wasn't 90%.

WTH? Who in the hell would vote for anyone else but Earl? I mean, as far as Houston RBs go, it's Earl and a bunch of scrubs (relatively speaking). I just cannot even fathom a vote that doesn't have Earl as the #1 Houston RB of all time.

My guess is that a significant part of the voting crowd is a relatively younger group who "grew up in football" after the days of Big Earl. Too bad they missed out on what a really GREAT RB was like.

On some of the positions, including RB, they are asking people to vote for two players and they are counting both votes. That means if everyone voted for Earl and another player, the most votes Earl could get is 50% and the 'scrubs' would split the other 50% of the vote.

The fact Earl has more than 50% of the vote means some people voted only for him.

A better question might be why Andre Johnson only has 42% of his vote - meaning that 8% of the voters voted for a combination of two WRs that didn't include him.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2010m7d5-Help-pick-Houstons-alltime-pro-football-team *scroll to the bottom of the article for the list of all positions.

eriadoc
07-11-2010, 10:33 AM
On some of the positions, including RB, they are asking people to vote for two players and they are counting both votes. That means if everyone voted for Earl and another player, the most votes Earl could get is 50% and the 'scrubs' would split the other 50% of the vote.

The fact Earl has more than 50% of the vote means some people voted only for him.

A better question might be why Andre Johnson only has 42% of his vote - meaning that 8% of the voters voted for a combination of two WRs that didn't include him.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2010m7d5-Help-pick-Houstons-alltime-pro-football-team *scroll to the bottom of the article for the list of all positions.

Ahh! Thanks for the clarification. Earl should still have over 80%. :D

And yeah, AJ should be tops on that list. I could understand an argument for Hennigan, but there aren't too many folks around to argue for him, comparatively speaking.

worldlyman
07-11-2010, 07:02 PM
Schaub threw for more yards last year than Moon ever did for the Oilers.

Schaub had like the 6th most passing yardage in NFL History in 2010.

As for AJ v. the old school oilers WR, I would take Andre over any of those guys. No hesitation at all.

Moon was a chokejob waiting to happen imho....but that is another story.

Actually the great Warren Moon put the Oilers in position to win. He threw for over 300 yards and at least 3 TDs in the noteworthy Denver and Buffalo playoff games.

His teams' defenses and special teams were the chokejobs waiting to happen.

Moon went to some of the toughest places to play in January and did his job.

He gave his team a 21-6 lead at Denver. He gave his team a 28-3 lead at Buffalo.

Moon didn't choke. It takes a total team effort to win. When a defense cannot hold 4th-and-a-mile TWO times (Denver game) or hold on to a crucial onsides kick (Buffalo game), how can we pin those on Moon?

I love Matt Schaub, he's the guy I'm rooting for now and I hope to put him on my personal faves list over Moon someday. (Dan Fouts is still my all-time fave.)

We'll have to see if Matt can be as consistent as Warren too. And I really hope so.

Moon was so great his efforts put four receivers over the 1,000 yard mark in a season. That balance made great weapons out of no-name RBs like Lorenzo White and Gary Brown who achieved 1,000 yd seasons as well. How did these receivers fare upon leaving the Oilers?

Moon was so great in a conventional offense, he broke Fran Tarkenton's Minnesota Vikings record in 1994. Put back to back 4,000 seasons for Minnesota.