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BuffSoldier
03-13-2005, 01:46 PM
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After our last game I was hoping that the Texans drafted TD with the 13th pick. Shortley after I changed my mind thinking that we needed to upgrade at other positions other than SS. But that Ive pieced the puzzle together, I have come back to the conclusion that I made early on in the off season. TD could be the best pick for us.

Thomas Davis is 6'1, 230 and runs a 4.55 and can play either SS or ILB in our scheme. We are more than likely going to loose both Jaime Sharper and Jay Foreman to a trade, and if we cant use what we get from that trade to move up for DJ than why not TD. If Greenwood or Wang get injured then, who do we have to come in as backups. Basically no one. Plus I personally believe that TD would win the starting job over Glen Earl any way. He is a 2 position player that could challenge fr a starting spot at 2 places in our defense. Maybe Im not connecting all the dots, but hes seems like he might be the BPA for us come draft day.

gg no re
03-13-2005, 02:04 PM
Maybe..... if we do not get the dream pick of DJ, Davis makes sense if we plan on converting him to ILB..... other than his strength in run support, he should be able to do a little bit of coverage....... heck, better than Foreman anyways.

stephen1
03-13-2005, 02:05 PM
hes too small to play ILB, only 230

D-ReK
03-13-2005, 02:17 PM
If we wanted an ILB, why wouldn't we just trade down to late round 1 and pick Channing Crowder instead of worrying about converting Davis to a position he may or may not be suited for? Add to that the fact that his weakest point is coverage and take into account our affinity for dropping our ILB's into coverage and it looks like he may be a harder hitting Jay Foreman...impressive...

H-townTexan
03-13-2005, 02:24 PM
If we wanted an ILB, why wouldn't we just trade down to late round 1 and pick Channing Crowder instead of worrying about converting Davis to a position he may or may not be suited for? Add to that the fact that his weakest point is coverage and take into account our affinity for dropping our ILB's into coverage and it looks like he may be a harder hitting Jay Foreman...impressive...


NAH listen we could trade sharper to MINNESSOTTA but only if we get the 7th pick and Harris -------------------------- Harris wouls would make a good ilb or olb whATEVER YOU WANT he sure do kick Antwan Peek azz and thaz 4sho

D-ReK
03-13-2005, 02:27 PM
NAH listen we could trade sharper to MINNESSOTTA but only if we get the 7th pick and Harris -------------------------- Harris wouls would make a good ilb or olb whATEVER YOU WANT he sure do kick Antwan Peek azz and thaz 4sho

We'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for Sharper...4th rounder is more likely...

royce1054
03-13-2005, 02:47 PM
you are forgetting Earl. he impressed lastt year and i think its his spot to loose. I just dont see a 1st round Secondary pick this year. Maybe a 3rd or 4th round.

Fiddy
03-13-2005, 02:54 PM
Buyer BewareDavis, a violent hitter who shows no regard for his body, will be an outstanding run stuffer. But he is a sucker for play-action and gets caught peeking into the backfield. He is as lost in a zone as a hillbilly in Manhattan. "He's made more mental mistakes and instinctive mistakes than anyone I've ever scouted," says one executive who has been in the business for nearly a quarter-century. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3445758

jr0ck
03-13-2005, 03:37 PM
or Wang get injured then

hehe, you said wang...

DRIFTAWAY
03-13-2005, 03:40 PM
he would fit in good since we are in need of a solid safety, no diss to earl. I can't imagine dallas passing on him with their 10th pick though.

D-ReK
03-13-2005, 03:59 PM
he would fit in good since we are in need of a solid safety, no diss to earl. I can't imagine dallas passing on him with their 10th pick though.

What makes you think Davis would be a better safety than Earl? If you read their draft profiles, they're nearly identical...}he only difference is that Earl got injured his senior season and Davis didn't...

Also, I seriously doubt the Cowbys take Davis at 10 for two reasons:

1. They already have a SS (Roy Williams), and

2. Dallas has the 11th pick...

tiger06
03-13-2005, 06:35 PM
hehe, you said wang...

I don't know how I'd live my life if wang got injured :woot

Grid
03-13-2005, 06:45 PM
the problem I have with TD isnt that he is not a valuable pick.. its that he would not make a good ILB from what im hearing.. he sucks in coverage. And he would not make a good SS in our defense because he sucks in coverage as well.

on top of that we have a rookie that we got for great value last year.. who has already recovered from the injury that knocked him down to the 4th round..and was looking very talented before the season ended.

he may be a valuable pick.. but to me it would be like drafting a QB at #13.. except we dont have much chance of trading Thomas Davis in a couple years and making a profit.

wags
03-13-2005, 07:06 PM
.. he sucks in coverage. And he would not make a good SS in our defense because he sucks in coverage as well.

Just wondering, but how many games did you watch to come to this conclusion? What plays in particular did you see him suck it up?


on top of that we have a rookie that we got for great value last year.. who has already recovered from the injury that knocked him down to the 4th round..and was looking very talented before the season ended.

Every one keeps saying TD is weak in coverage. Well guess what Glenn Earl's weakness is, it's coverage.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/41514.html

Earl had 44 tackles, ZERO Int's, ZERO passes defended, ZERO forced fumbles, ZERO fumble recoveries, and ZERO sacks. Anyone who says that SS is a position of strength for us will have to do some serious stretching.

Fiddy
03-13-2005, 07:08 PM
Just wondering, but how many games did you watch to come to this conclusion? What plays in particular did you see him suck it up? http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=91890&postcount=8

wags
03-13-2005, 07:15 PM
Fiddy,

It will take more than some nameless executive's opinion to cloud my view on Davis. I generally try not to back up my opinions with quotes from people who are anonymous. It just adds a little bit more credibility.

Grid
03-13-2005, 09:46 PM
im getting the "Davis sucks in coverage" thing.. from a few different draft sights.. and sportingnews magazine.

Fiddy
03-13-2005, 10:15 PM
Fiddy,

It will take more than some nameless executive's opinion to cloud my view on Davis. I generally try not to back up my opinions with quotes from people who are anonymous. It just adds a little bit more credibility.I dont know what to think of Davis, I didnt really watch too many Georgia's game and it is hard to grade a safety's performance because they are never on the screen. That is what one scout said. I'm starting to believe that he is going to be a LB for a Cover 2 team.

D-ReK
03-13-2005, 10:22 PM
I still wanna know what makes him better than Glenn Earl...I've been asking that question for months and nobody has been able to answer it...

infantrycak
03-13-2005, 10:37 PM
I still wanna know what makes him better than Glenn Earl...I've been asking that question for months and nobody has been able to answer it...


The answer is the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. In otherwords--absolutely nothing. Davis is just the flavor of the week so people will pimp him. Not to say he won't be a good NFL player but he is just another SS prospect for the NFL Every year the grass is greener.

Fiddy
03-13-2005, 10:39 PM
Davis is just the flavor of the week so peolple will pimp him.cak said 'pimp' :rofl:

i'm about to cry, it's that funny to me

LikeABoss
03-13-2005, 11:09 PM
I thought this dude was projecting to play OLB in the NFL idonno:

Thats where NFLdraftcountdown has him projected as in their rankings of players :confused:

infantrycak
03-13-2005, 11:10 PM
cak said 'pimp' :rofl:

i'm about to cry, it's that funny to me

Hey, I may be old (disclaimer to anyone over 37--not actually old just starting to see the horizon) but they have this cool new invention called television where you can see people of different age groups and backgrounds and learn how they communicate. Understand dog?

Fiddy
03-13-2005, 11:15 PM
Hey, I may be old (disclaimer to anyone over 37--not actually old just starting to see the horizon) but they have this cool new invention called television where you can see people of different age groups and backgrounds and learn how they communicate. Understand dog?:rofl: I understand homie

Blake
03-13-2005, 11:39 PM
The answer is the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. In otherwords--absolutely nothing. Davis is just the flavor of the week so people will pimp him. Not to say he won't be a good NFL player but he is just another SS prospect for the NFL Every year the grass is greener.

But isnt that what you are supposed to think? Thats why we have a draft right? To get better players, and upgrade? Im not saying that Earl needs to be replaced, I just think that when a player like this comes along, its hard to see why we would pass him up.

I have no problem taking him, if he is the Texans BPA.

BuffSoldier
03-13-2005, 11:56 PM
Ok, if the guy had no coverage skills then why would he be the top Safety and one of the top DBs in the draft. So what must that say about the other safeties, I guess Pool, Nicholson, Shazor and all the rest of em just suck.

And 1 simple question, how could a SS who has problems in coverage be 1st round pick and be even considered to go in the top half of the round at that? hes not super fast he runs a 4.55. H doesnt return punts. What could it be? He must be able to make plays. Oh and for people who want to pull quotes out of the air...
Buyer Beware
Quote:
Davis, a violent hitter who shows no regard for his body, will be an outstanding run stuffer. But he is a sucker for play-action and gets caught peeking into the backfield. He is as lost in a zone as a hillbilly in Manhattan. "He's made more mental mistakes and instinctive mistakes than anyone I've ever scouted," says one executive who has been in the business for nearly a quarter-century.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3445758

I get my stuff from a better source, how bout NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/davis_thomas)
Positives: Big, strong, physical athlete with a V-shaped torso, thick chest, broad shoulders, muscular arms, large hands, good bubble, thick thighs and calves Does everything the coaches ask, is a workout warrior and pushes others when they see his work ethic Has good field smarts and is quick to see and read plays, especially the run Shows quick reaction to what he sees in front of him and he is rarely caught out of position Can lay back and play centerfield with good timing to make the play on the ball Has good timing ability on his leaps going for the ball, showing good arm extension to get to the pigskin at its high point Has outstanding range, doing a very good job of covering ground in a hurry Quick to support against the run, showing good explosion when closing Has the height and speed to match up against any tight end, running back or receiver Big hitter who can blow opponents up if he's on track Does a good job of breaking down, facing up and wrapping Has enough speed to trail tight ends, running backs and slot receivers Keeps things in front of him in zone coverage, showing very good range and takes proper angles in pursuit Quick to step up and plug the rush lanes, showing a good feel for the support lanes and will generally take good angles to get to the ball Davis' strength allows for him to display explosive hitting ability Uses his hands effectively to shed blocks and will not hesitate to throw himself into the pile to sniff out the ball Excellent blitzer who can come off the edge with explosion or use his club and rip moves to shed, stack and control to shoot the inside gaps.


Wow it sure seems like the folks at good ol' NFL.com think this guy can cover. :thumbup :woot

BuffSoldier
03-13-2005, 11:58 PM
I thought this dude was projecting to play OLB in the NFL idonno:

Thats where NFLdraftcountdown has him projected as in their rankings of players :confused:

Like DJ a regular OLB would be considered a ILB in the 3-4.

Grid
03-14-2005, 03:52 AM
just to keep it fair. from the same NFL article

Negatives: Will sometimes peek into the backfield too long, and thus struggle some to recognize a developing pass play Plays with reckless abandon, but needs to improve his plant and drive, as he will get a little too reckless and over-pursue Shows good lateral agility, but is a little stiff in his hips and this is noticeable when he tries to change direction when taking on the inside slot receivers Adequate at timing his leaps, but struggles to look in the ball in over his shoulders or when his back is turned to the ball Seems to want to attack and punish the ball carrier too much, taking away from his primary assignment -- searching out the ball.

wags
03-14-2005, 10:45 PM
The answer is the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. In otherwords--absolutely nothing. Davis is just the flavor of the week so people will pimp him. Not to say he won't be a good NFL player but he is just another SS prospect for the NFL Every year the grass is greener.

Cak, you are off base on Davis. He would be better than Earl. What makes him better is that he is always around the ball. He causes fumbles, gets to the quarterback, and makes the tackle. How much of this did Earl do last year? I was able to watch both Earl and Davis play their full seasons. Can you say the same, or do you get your view on Davis from draft sites?

I also wanted to correct you on TD's forty time. Sometimes it's good to get info "from the horse's mouth."

http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/interviews/ThomasDavis.php

Just had to respond, even though there is a possibility of trading our pick for OP.

infantrycak
03-14-2005, 11:13 PM
Cak, you are off base on Davis. He would be better than Earl. What makes him better is that he is always around the ball. He causes fumbles, gets to the quarterback, and makes the tackle. How much of this did Earl do last year? I was able to watch both Earl and Davis play their full seasons. Can you say the same, or do you get your view on Davis from draft sites?

I am not saying Davis won't be a very good NFL player. IMO a safety prospect has to be truly exceptional to justify a top 1st round pick--for one thing the money at the top of the 1st round can immediately make them one of the more expensive safeties in the league. The other thing is it basically makes the Earl pick a wasted pick before he has even really had a chance--he will just now be fully recovered from knee surgery and will have learned the system and spent a full year in the Texans' fitness program. Just seems to me there will be other players just as talented such as Shawnee Merriman that may be available and would have a bigger impact on the team.

royce1054
03-14-2005, 11:39 PM
If we have a pick Williamson would have the biggest effect on the team. I DL, LB wont effect the team that much. It doesnt make sense to draft some 1 #13 and pay him that money at sit him.. I am just think from a Owners stand point. That would seriously hurt our cap #. Thats y i think a WR is the best bet. He can contribute right away. He wont sit. An OL in the 1st round means Seth Wand will sit. I can see this. THis is obcourse saying that the pace trade doesnt happen.

if a CB is drafted he would move to #3 and it would make faggins the dime CB and make the signing of Sanders rediculous.
A SS was drafted it would make Glenn Earl sit I doubt that.
A LB drafted means Peek will sit. I cant see that i think they are tryin to get him onto the field by sharper and foreman leaving
A DL just straight doesnt make sense. Walker, Smith and payne too much to sit one of them.
A OL is like i said up there about wand sitting. If pace comes i think we have one of the best lines in the NFL.
A RB we have davis i cant see it.
A QB i must be crazy for even putting this down
A TE i dont one will be drafted in 1st. I think Miller still has inside track on this spot. Maybe 4th
A WR makes perfect sense they need #2 to make up for Bradford.

Thats a quick run down of position and how things would go if 1 was drafted.

jr0ck
03-15-2005, 02:23 AM
if a CB is drafted he would move to #3 and it would make faggins the dime CB and make the signing of Sanders rediculous

glenn has maybe two more servicable seasons before he is just one of the 'faces of the franchise'...i think bringing in a first round corner would not only help bolster our already strong secondary, but it would ensure we have two 'shutdown' corners for years to come...the texans hinted at the pick up of sanders was not only because of his CB play, but that he has the size (6' 200lbs) and ability to fill in at either safety if needed.

A LB drafted means Peek will sit. I cant see that i think they are tryin to get him onto the field by sharper and foreman leaving

a good 3-4 team can never have enough fresh LB's to rotate during the course of a game. and as far as anything we 'know', peek starting is only the collective figment of this boards imagination.

A DL just straight doesnt make sense. Walker, Smith and payne too much to sit one of them.

see above, but insert fresh DL instead. having a rook come in and take 15-20 snaps a game could really help in extending the careers of payne and walker while contiditioning their eventuall replacement.

A OL is like i said up there about wand sitting. If pace comes i think we have one of the best lines in the NFL.

maybe jamaal brown and/or the michigan kid have a real shot at starting on a team next year at RT...wand wouldn't sit at LT for a rookie's first season, not matter how horrible half the board thinks he is. mckinney is a different story however :cool: ...

A RB we have davis i cant see it.

i can see us picking up a RB to challenge DD and lighten the load (but agreed it is highly unlikely we will pay him first round money)

just offering a different perspective...which only set me back :twocents:... :thumbup

royce1054
03-15-2005, 02:57 PM
by position this what i think:
1. WR/OL
2. OL/WR opposite of 1st round
3. LB 2nd pick CB/S
4. DL
5. CB
6. TE
7. LB

could change. Just as of right now this is how i think

if they draft any other position some one will end up sittin. It doesnt make sense to draft a player and have him or some one who makes the same kind of money to sit. I am thinking as A millionaire here trying to keep his cap down. DL who raise our cap # too much. It doesnt make sense to draft a 1st rounder and sit him. Payne, Walker, and Smith make too much to sit. You dont give payne a 4 year deal to sit. Same with other DL. A 4th round DL could give same kind of talent and a fraction of talent. LB I think this is Peeks chance to shine. That 3rd round LB could push him if he doesnt flourish. CB if we drafted one it wold make the signing of sanders look stupid. I think the Texans have an idea of where they want to go and a 1st round Coner wont be it. This is a deep draft in 1st 4 rounds for coners.

OL seems like a good idea. I am sure Carr would love a 1st round protector. Remember you can get good OL in the middle rounds. Thats why i thinkn OL in 2nd round makes most sense. A RB doesnt even make sense to draft one of the big 3. That would mean Davis would be released or traded. He makes to much to sit. QB i dont need to go much farther. TE i think we will draft one TE in this Draft in the late rounds. Maybe a 6th or 7th... WR is a big need of the Texans. People dont realize how much respect other teams secondaries gave Bradford. If they dont get a good replacement in 1st 2 rounds.... people will start to notice they will key on him. In the AFC nowadays you need 3 good WR's. I think if we still have the 1st round pick. It will go Williamson. if we dont 2nd round one of the 2 WR from Georgia Gibson and the other guy i cant remember his name.

infantrycak
03-15-2005, 03:06 PM
A RB doesnt even make sense to draft one of the big 3. That would mean Davis would be released or traded. He makes to much to sit.

1st drafting a RB doesn't mean Davis gets released or traded. It means Wells, Baxter or Hollings gets released (no trade value). 2nd Davis is cheap, $491,333 almost league minimum--and Hollings makes more than him ($613,250) and sits--heck even Wells makes most of any of them ($656,000) and primarily sits.

Holden135
03-15-2005, 04:29 PM
Everything that i have heard says that Thomas Davis will be coming into the league as an outside linebacker.

jr0ck
03-15-2005, 05:08 PM
if they draft any other position some one will end up sittin. It doesnt make sense to draft a player and have him or some one who makes the same kind of money to sit.

i don't understand the whole 'top picked rookie's have to come in and start so someone else will sit every play of every game'. you don't just pay a first - third rounder top money to start right away (although it seems to be ideal), you pay that kinda of money for a player who will become a top tier player after a few years and be with the team long enough to improve it. the main reason everyone assumes first picks must come in and make a huge impact is because the first round is predominantly skill guys (with the expception of the LT's), which have the easiest transition into the big leagues. if we draft OL/DL, it isn't realistic to expect them to be impact players immediatly.

Payne, Walker, and Smith make too much to sit.

thats why they would still start and heavily contribute even if we draft hawthorne or another DL. but by rotating the DL during situational series (a la peek in obvious passing downs last year) we would keep our high profile players fresh while giving the rookie limited but invaluable experiance to further prepare them for the changing of the guard. so payne/walker/smith will not sit, just get the a breather when needed.

CB if we drafted one it wold make the signing of sanders look stupid. I think the Texans have an idea of where they want to go and a 1st round Coner wont be it.

i'm almost gonna gaurantee you the texans did not sign sanders to take AG's place or the place of a shutdown corner via the draft. like i said earlier, he was signed to be a solid utility man, great for dime and nickel sets and has the ability to fill in at either safety if needed. not start opposite d-rob. that being said, a first round CB makes perfect sense. a person who doesn't think a dominant defense doesn't include a big time secondary is sorely mistaken.

and yes i think a WR should be taken in the later rounds of the first day, but i will always take a stout defense over a 'high powered' offense. i think terrence murphey (from texas a&m) would be a steal in the early third, great nfl hands project that could immediately start in a slot position because of his size and speed...AJ jr if you will :heh: