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CloakNNNdagger
07-03-2010, 09:36 AM
Surprise, Surprise! I can't believe it! Can you? He lied about his injury status!


Brady's personal coach discusses injuries that Belichick denied (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/03/bradys-personal-coach-discusses-injuries-that-belichick-denied/)

At the end of the 2009 season, Charley Casserly of CBS reported that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was playing with broken ribs, and Patriots coach Bill Belichick responded by lashing out at Casserly and asking, "Who's been wrong more than Charley Casserly?"

As it turns out, the person who fills out the Patriots' injury report has been wrong more than Charley Casserly.

Although Brady was listed on the official NFL Week 16 injury report as having only the same right shoulder injury that he's been listed as having on every official NFL injury report for years, Brady's personal throwing coach, Tom Martinez, has confirmed that Brady had broken ribs and a broken finger that were bothering him leading up to the Patriots' Week 16 game against the Jaguars.

"He had a broken finger and three broken ribs," Martinez told ESPN.com. "He wasn't throwing well."

Albert Breer of the Boston Globe writes that the news of Brady's broken ribs and broken finger was withheld because Brady didn't want to use his injuries as an excuse for poor play. Whatever the reason, teams aren't supposed to withhold injury information. And Belichick was wrong to attack Casserly with a lie.



Here's an interesting article about Brady's personal throwing coach and their relationship.

Tom Brady still listens to QB whisperer (http://espn.go.com/blog/AFCEast/post/_/id/14930/tom-brady-still-listens-to-qb-whisperer)

StarStruck
07-03-2010, 01:21 PM
Albert Breer of the Boston Globe writes that the news of Brady's broken ribs and broken finger was withheld because Brady didn't want to use his injuries as an excuse for poor play. Whatever the reason, teams aren't supposed to withhold injury information. And Belichick was wrong to attack Casserly with a lie.

Does that mean poor play needs no explanation? I don't respect people that lie then then go to extraordinary lengths to challenge the credibility of someone who has told the truth.

drs23
07-03-2010, 05:20 PM
Thanks Doc Jean for another news morsel. You must have a hell of a sports feed ticker. I can always count on you for the latest scoop. How do you find the time? Are your patients specialists? In that they're only needing you 8-5, M-F?

Showtime100
07-03-2010, 05:26 PM
So what is the league empowered to do about this? I assume the league will not pursue penalties (for many reasons) but mainly it just doesn't sound like the league would bother. After all, this is so out of character for Belichick and the Patriots. <---sarcasm

thunderkyss
07-03-2010, 05:36 PM
I understand, rules are rules. But this is one that doesn't make sense to me. Is he going to play or not... that's all anyone needs to know.

Surely it won't happen, but it would suck if players put that extra effort to hit Brady's ribs, just because they knew about it.

CloakNNNdagger
07-03-2010, 08:31 PM
Thanks Doc Jean for another news morsel. You must have a hell of a sports feed ticker. I can always count on you for the latest scoop. How do you find the time? Are your patients specialists? In that they're only needing you 8-5, M-F?

I come and go here as time permits. I am solo 24/365 for my patients.

Corrosion
07-04-2010, 10:29 PM
Brady just needed an excuse for his suckage late in the season .... an injury is as good an excuse as any.:user:

Dutchrudder
07-04-2010, 10:52 PM
I hope they fine their asses just like the jets for not reporting Farves injuries.

JB
07-04-2010, 10:54 PM
I hope they fine their asses just like the jets for not reporting Farves injuries.

Fines won't change anything. They need to suspend his lying ass...

IIRC, this is not the first time he has been caught lying about the injury report.

Dutchrudder
07-04-2010, 11:31 PM
Fines won't change anything. They need to suspend his lying ass...

IIRC, this is not the first time he has been caught lying about the injury report.
A coach getting suspended? Now that would be interesting. BB is the perfect guy to make an example of...

sometexansfan
07-05-2010, 02:07 AM
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where Casserly is actually right. :gun:

dalemurphy
07-05-2010, 04:54 PM
I'm not sure I want to live in a world where Casserly is actually right. :gun:

We're living it: He was right a lot in April of 2006 and we are reaping the benefits.

Dutchrudder
07-06-2010, 08:33 AM
We're living it: He was right a lot in April of 2006 and we are reaping the benefits.

Yeah, I'm sure they let him make all the draft picks, and then fired him a couple weeks later... lol Great business planning right there.

dc_txtech
07-06-2010, 08:58 AM
I understand, rules are rules. But this is one that doesn't make sense to me. Is he going to play or not... that's all anyone needs to know.

Surely it won't happen, but it would suck if players put that extra effort to hit Brady's ribs, just because they knew about it.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it has to do with gambling. If only a few people are privy to that type of information then it becomes extremely valuable to the oddsmakers in Vegas. I would imagine people would go to extreme lengths to obtain that information which could ultimately damage the integrity of the league.

El Tejano
07-06-2010, 09:05 AM
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it has to do with gambling. If only a few people are privy to that type of information then it becomes extremely valuable to the oddsmakers in Vegas. I would imagine people would go to extreme lengths to obtain that information which could ultimately damage the integrity of the league.

I'm sure this upsets the player's union as well.

dalemurphy
07-06-2010, 12:30 PM
Yeah, I'm sure they let him make all the draft picks, and then fired him a couple weeks later... lol Great business planning right there.

Casserly had a lot to do with the '06 draft. Kubiak wasn't in position to set a draft board that season. I'm sure Kubiak was influential but so was the existing GM and the reality is that the team of Kubiak and Casserly made some great decisions that week: Mario, Demeco, Winston, OD... not to mention the Kevin Walter acquisiton.



I'm not a Casserly fan, that's for sure! But, if I can't give him credit when it is due then my criticisms of him carry less credibility.

sometexansfan
07-06-2010, 12:57 PM
We're living it: He was right a lot in April of 2006 and we are reaping the benefits.

Well with all the other crappy picks/signings he made, I think he owed us at least a couple good decisions.

infantrycak
07-06-2010, 01:13 PM
Casserly had a lot to do with the '06 draft. Kubiak wasn't in position to set a draft board that season.

How do we know either of those statements?

What do we objectively know? Prior drafts with Casserly were spotty at best. We know Kubiak was the new head coach and Casserly was on his way out. We know Casserly "convinced" Kubiak to take OD. So on the one hand great job by Casserly on OD but that pretty soundly indicates Kubiak was in control of that draft. We know the scouts were hired under Casserly. We know Kubiak did not expect DeMeco to last to the 2nd round and they virtually sprinted to turn in the card on him.

dalemurphy
07-06-2010, 04:08 PM
How do we know either of those statements?

What do we objectively know? Prior drafts with Casserly were spotty at best. We know Kubiak was the new head coach and Casserly was on his way out. We know Casserly "convinced" Kubiak to take OD. So on the one hand great job by Casserly on OD but that pretty soundly indicates Kubiak was in control of that draft. We know the scouts were hired under Casserly. We know Kubiak did not expect DeMeco to last to the 2nd round and they virtually sprinted to turn in the card on him.

Facts:
No GM/personnel man was in place other than Casserly and his guys
Casserly was part of the sales job to McNair to draft Mario
Casserly was a significant reason for the OD draft pick.
Casserly didn't overbid to move to Chicago's spot to take Deangelo Williams. They let Buffalo have the spot which resulted in the Demeco pick (and Winston, probably)
Kubiak was way too busy and novice to put together a staff, meet players, and organize an entire draft board in a matter of weeks.
Casserly scouts were involved in the grading process.

What would be the point of paying Casserly and leaving him on as the GM through the draft if he wasn't involved in the drafting process?

infantrycak
07-06-2010, 04:37 PM
Facts:
No GM/personnel man was in place other than Casserly and his guys - correct
Casserly was part of the sales job to McNair to draft Mario - speculation
Casserly was a significant reason for the OD draft pick. - I think I said that as part of pointing out Casserly was convincing Kubiak demonstrating the power structure
Casserly didn't overbid to move to Chicago's spot to take Deangelo Williams. They let Buffalo have the spot which resulted in the Demeco pick (and Winston, probably) - conjecture that it was Casserly rather than Kubiak who didn't want to pay more
Kubiak was way too busy and novice to put together a staff, meet players, and organize an entire draft board in a matter of weeks. - conjecture and there is more to the draft than the board
Casserly scouts were involved in the grading process. - of course they were and many are still here. Doesn't mean Casserly is still part of our drafts.

What would be the point of paying Casserly and leaving him on as the GM through the draft if he wasn't involved in the drafting process?

Mine in bold. Of course he was involved. But we don't know that he wasn't advocating Bush, wanting to give a 2nd and 3rd to get DeAngelo or he and his staff had Lendale White rated above DeMeco. We know he had everything to do with OD. We know Kubiak had final say. Beyond that we don't know what Casserly's influence was much less a conclusion of "a lot."

dalemurphy
07-06-2010, 05:49 PM
Mine in bold. Of course he was involved. But we don't know that he wasn't advocating Bush, wanting to give a 2nd and 3rd to get DeAngelo or he and his staff had Lendale White rated above DeMeco. We know he had everything to do with OD. We know Kubiak had final say. Beyond that we don't know what Casserly's influence was much less a conclusion of "a lot."

You have me in an odd position of defending Casserly. Don't like him! Greatful he's gone! LOVE Rick Smith!!

I am sure that Casserly and Capers would've teamed up to commit another travesty on draft day in '06 had they still been together. Fortunately for us, Casserly worked very well with Kubiak for that short period of time and their collaboration was the beginning of the insurgence of talent that we have experienced and a big reason why we are about to enjoy a lot of winning the next few years. And for that, I am thankful to CC.

thunderkyss
07-06-2010, 08:35 PM
I'm not a Casserly fan, that's for sure! But, if I can't give him credit when it is due then my criticisms of him carry less credibility.

I honestly don't know what to believe.

It's difficult to comprehend that Capers ruined that many players, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

CloakNNNdagger
07-06-2010, 09:22 PM
Made me think of this, posted by FALSE START in the past.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MN5dmajNFP0/SxSSLz1IImI/AAAAAAAAAlg/zW-MktVsc_g/s640/capers_syndromejpg444-4.jpg

dalemurphy
07-07-2010, 08:38 AM
I honestly don't know what to believe.

It's difficult to comprehend that Capers ruined that many players, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

It's not that Capers ruined them... It is that the team of Casserly/Capers were utter failures at acquiring and developing players. Both share some responsibility. Primarily, though, it was clear that they were just awful working together.

Dutchrudder
07-07-2010, 08:56 AM
You have me in an odd position of defending Casserly. Don't like him! Greatful he's gone! LOVE Rick Smith!!

I am sure that Casserly and Capers would've teamed up to commit another travesty on draft day in '06 had they still been together. Fortunately for us, Casserly worked very well with Kubiak for that short period of time and their collaboration was the beginning of the insurgence of talent that we have experienced and a big reason why we are about to enjoy a lot of winning the next few years. And for that, I am thankful to CC.

So we had 4 years of below average drafts, then in the 5th year they replace the head coach, and you want to thank Casserly for the great draft? I think if anything, this proves how good of a talent evaluator Kubiak is compared to the Capers/Casserly duo. If nothing else, he threw a wrench in the terrible machine of years before. I know Kubiak isn't solely the responsible person for draft decisions, but I think you can see the Texans drafts getting considerably better since he took over.

dalemurphy
07-07-2010, 09:52 AM
So we had 4 years of below average drafts, then in the 5th year they replace the head coach, and you want to thank Casserly for the great draft? I think if anything, this proves how good of a talent evaluator Kubiak is compared to the Capers/Casserly duo. If nothing else, he threw a wrench in the terrible machine of years before. I know Kubiak isn't solely the responsible person for draft decisions, but I think you can see the Texans drafts getting considerably better since he took over.

We had 4 years of absolutely hideous drafts! Fortunately, though, Casserly's 5th year, he participated in the best draft in franchise history. And, I am grateful for that. I am also the last person you need to worry about not giving Kubiak enough credit. Ask around!

Dutchrudder
07-07-2010, 10:51 AM
We had 4 years of absolutely hideous drafts! Fortunately, though, Casserly's 5th year, he participated in the best draft in franchise history. And, I am grateful for that. I am also the last person you need to worry about not giving Kubiak enough credit. Ask around!

No no no, you have a man-crush on Casserly and this is the offseason, so we have to beat it out of you! Now c'mon, I think I just saw this horse's leg move a little...

:deadhorse: