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SDBoltz
03-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Texans obviously need defense and the 49ers are shopping Julian peterson they are talking about trading him a first and a 3rd round pick to the chargers for Drew Brees. I don't think the Chargers will bite though. Would be a great addition for both teams considering the similarities in our defenses. Although the Chargers LB's are more agressive. Your big 3 is good but not good enough to win a championship yet. Brees LT and Gates heck even MCCardell was a pro bowler is better than Carr Davis and Johnson.

Blake
03-13-2005, 01:06 PM
The Texans arent into big trades involving high picks, for vets.

DRIFTAWAY
03-13-2005, 01:53 PM
If im the chargers i would jump all over that, because they could use a playmaker on defense and that is exactly what they would get. And you also mention they would trade a first and 3rd round picks, and if im correct San Fran holds the first overall pick. Its time the chargers give philip rivers a chance and this is the best oppurtunity, because the solidify their defense and pick up 2 extra picks. They could take that first overall pick and than draft derrick johnson and their defense would automatically be top 5 in the nfl. If the chargers were to jump on this, they would end up with Peterson, Maybe Johnson (or anyother top prospect in this draft) an extra third round pick, and they would still have philip rivers as qb. You can't go wrong. And if rivers ends up being a bust, remember they still have LD

DRIFTAWAY
03-13-2005, 01:55 PM
Or if they think Julian Peterson would be fine enough on defense, than they could take the first pick and draft a big play wr like mike williams because they could use a big speedy physical reciever playing beside mccardell.

jr0ck
03-13-2005, 03:21 PM
but not good enough to win a championship yet

to be proven the minute DD, AJ, and Carr are playing on different teams without a Lomabrdi under their belts from their days as Texans...right now LT, Brees and Gates/McCardell haven't been good enough to win a championship...

TexansNeedRBin05
03-13-2005, 08:52 PM
If im the chargers i would jump all over that, because they could use a playmaker on defense and that is exactly what they would get. And you also mention they would trade a first and 3rd round picks, and if im correct San Fran holds the first overall pick. Its time the chargers give philip rivers a chance and this is the best oppurtunity, because the solidify their defense and pick up 2 extra picks. They could take that first overall pick and than draft derrick johnson and their defense would automatically be top 5 in the nfl. If the chargers were to jump on this, they would end up with Peterson, Maybe Johnson (or anyother top prospect in this draft) an extra third round pick, and they would still have philip rivers as qb. You can't go wrong. And if rivers ends up being a bust, remember they still have LD

Brees had a GREAT! year your gonig put in little whinny Phil Rivers? Linear isnt in the Draft theres no real good player in this Draft, Peterson is good but he cant play QB. Now I wonder if Kaeding has been given permission to seek a trade lmfao!?

infantrycak
03-13-2005, 11:22 PM
heck even MCCardell was a pro bowler is better than Carr Davis and Johnson.

LOL, 32 GM's out of 32 would pick aj over McCardell. Y'all had a great year but don't get delusional.

TexansNeedRBin05
03-14-2005, 12:11 AM
Brees LT and Gates heck even MCCardell was a pro bowler is better than Carr Davis and Johnson.

Brees had a better year that Carr but I think Carrs better if you gave him LT hed be firing. LT is ALOT better than DD (im not a DD fan) Johnson is clearly better than Mccardell.

texansfan88
03-15-2005, 08:20 PM
I want a rematch with the Chargers, I still think we can beat them

YodAa
03-15-2005, 08:24 PM
LOL, 32 GM's out of 32 would pick aj over McCardell. Y'all had a great year but don't get delusional.

Not only is AJ better receiver he also doesn't back stab his old team (which helped him get a SB ring) right when it seems like things are going down the pooper. MeNan McCardell!

TexansTrueFan
03-15-2005, 10:08 PM
I want a rematch with the Chargers, I still think we can beat them


i love D.D and all, but we woulda beat the chargers had he not fumbled the ball twice in that

infantrycak
03-15-2005, 10:14 PM
i love D.D and all, but we woulda beat the chargers had he not fumbled the ball twice in that

Maybe we would have beat the Chargers is Carr had done better than 0 TD's and 2 Int's as well. I love how folks act like DD singlehandedly lost that game rather than the reality of it being a team clusterjob.

TexansTrueFan
03-15-2005, 10:21 PM
haha na i wasnt saying that infanrycak, but neither of carrs ints resulted in points, one was with like 5 sec left and the other the defense held up, D.D fumbles resulted in the chargers getting point on atleast one of them !

infantrycak
03-15-2005, 10:43 PM
haha na i wasnt saying that infanrycak, but neither of carrs ints resulted in points, one was with like 5 sec left and the other the defense held up, D.D fumbles resulted in the chargers getting point on atleast one of them !

That was more of a general comment than just directed at you. Just to be accurate though one of the INT's and one of the fumbles resulted in TD's for SD--like I said, it was a team effort to give the game away.

TexansTrueFan
03-16-2005, 12:02 AM
That was more of a general comment than just directed at you. Just to be accurate though one of the INT's and one of the fumbles resulted in TD's for SD--like I said, it was a team effort to give the game away.


oh i agree with you, its just more people seemed to be making a big deal about D.Ds fumbles rather than carrs ints. Quaterback always gets a little less blame (it seems)

cronicallyimpared
03-16-2005, 12:12 AM
Linemen, on both sides of the ball, but most importantly on offense - That is what the Texans need! We have a productive back, we have (had) productive linebackers, we would have a much more productive group of wide receivers and a GREATLY improved quarterback (in terms of numbers) if we had an offensive line that wasn't easier to penetrate than . . . well . . . you know. What's all the talk about running backs, they’re a dime a dozen for the most part and I personally think we've got a pretty darn good one. :thumbup

We can debate what if?'s all day long, but the fact remains, that the front office has yet to (in my mind) seriously put any effort into beefing up our biggest weakness. What's the point of more receivers and bigger, better, badder backs if they do as much good as those dang pink flamingo yard ornaments.

Did I mention that our offensive line is in dire need of improvement?

TexansTrueFan
03-16-2005, 12:32 AM
i agree DAVIS has done GOOD behing this BAD OL of ours, its like in denver their oline makes any running back who carries the ball look good ! D.D has done good with what he has been given, same goes for Carr.

outofhnd
03-16-2005, 04:02 AM
That is a great notion that we should take OL but there is one small Problem with that there are not too many quality OL in this years draft. At 13 take DL this year we can get project lineman and who knows maybe with a year of zone blocking under their belt this line may actually do alot better this year with no tweaking whatsoever. DL we are terribly weak if we lose Robaire to an injury. Then it becomes a lineman by committee like we had in year 2 of our beloved franchise. Which was just painful to watch.

beerlover
03-16-2005, 04:30 AM
What the Texans need is to stay the course. :thumbup I would like to see them stick with their self proclaimed 5 year plan and keep developing draft picks and good F/A's under the radar who fit the system. I have lots of confidence in the front office of the Texans, they're not afraid to take chances & try different aproaches as needed. they scout well and are just a little ahead of the curve throughout the NFL. I think they need to stay with young, atheltic people of excellent character & work ethic & draft speed, speed & more speed.

BornOrange
03-16-2005, 06:44 AM
Maybe we would have beat the Chargers is Carr had done better than 0 TD's and 2 Int's as well. I love how folks act like DD singlehandedly lost that game rather than the reality of it being a team clusterjob.
I'd have to go back and look at the game again, but if I remember correctly one of those INT's was a pass that deflected off a Texan's hands and the other was a deep ball at the half. Neither INT was a bad play by Carr.

D-ReK
03-16-2005, 07:13 AM
I'd have to go back and look at the game again, but if I remember correctly one of those INT's was a pass that deflected off a Texan's hands and the other was a deep ball at the half. Neither INT was a bad play by Carr.

Donnie Edwards tipped the first INT and it seemed like it was in the air forever before it fell into Foley's hands...I have no problem finding Carr at fault for that INT, as I believe it was the direct result of his throwing motion...

That loss wasn't DD's fault anymore than it was Carr's fault of D-Rob's fault...Losing that game was a collective effort...

TexanFanInCC
03-16-2005, 12:09 PM
Texans obviously need defense and the 49ers are shopping Julian peterson they are talking about trading him a first and a 3rd round pick to the chargers for Drew Brees. I don't think the Chargers will bite though. Would be a great addition for both teams considering the similarities in our defenses. Although the Chargers LB's are more agressive. Your big 3 is good but not good enough to win a championship yet. Brees LT and Gates heck even MCCardell was a pro bowler is better than Carr Davis and Johnson.

the bolts wouldnt trade a probowl QB for a LB coming off a serious injury from last yr. they would be retarded.

TexanFanInCC
03-16-2005, 12:10 PM
i say we persue another supreme shutdown corner like dunta in the draft. that will give us the ability to play more man on man coverage and blitz more and more effectively.

BattleRedRaider
03-16-2005, 12:43 PM
I agree with TexanFanInCC. Even though I used to be a 49er and Julian Peterson fan, trading for him would be dumb.

And another great corner for the Texans would be nice.
Even better would be a great offensive lineman.

I believe our defense has been able to keep us close in alot of our games, but our offense has struggled.

outofhnd
03-17-2005, 03:06 AM
The only problem i have with that is there seems to be a lot of DL that can fit in our scheme and instantly inject some youth into our aging D line whereas a shutdown corner we can wait a year on.

D-ReK
03-17-2005, 08:00 AM
The cornerback class next year is nowhere near as deep as this class is...I say if Rolle or Pac-Man fall to 13, take him in a heartbeat...If not, look CB in round 2, because a 2nd round corner this draft will have about equal value to a 1st round corner next year...

barzilla
03-17-2005, 02:52 PM
If we end up cutting Sharper I would think about signing Burress. His demands have got to fall at this point. New York offered him four million a season (counting signing bonus). You could probably get him for that at this point. That would give Carr two legitimate WR targets. Gaffney is a good third reciever and Alexander would be great as a fourth guy. Then, in the draft you don't have to worry about WR. You can focus on CB, LB, and OT.

Meloy
03-17-2005, 05:24 PM
The only problem i have with that is there seems to be a lot of DL that can fit in our scheme and instantly inject some youth into our aging D line whereas a shutdown corner we can wait a year on.
Who are these defensive linemen?

stephen1
03-17-2005, 10:27 PM
If we end up cutting Sharper I would think about signing Burress. His demands have got to fall at this point. New York offered him four million a season (counting signing bonus). You could probably get him for that at this point. That would give Carr two legitimate WR targets. Gaffney is a good third reciever and Alexander would be great as a fourth guy. Then, in the draft you don't have to worry about WR. You can focus on CB, LB, and OT.
its not alexander damn it!!!!!! and burress signed with the giants

outofhnd
03-17-2005, 10:50 PM
The Giants did not sign Burress and are pursueing WR David Terrell.
Which definately throws a red flag to me that if the Steelers signed Cedric Wilson, The Vikings grab Travis Taylor, and The giants now snub him for Terrell? He needs to tell his agent to lower his price. Or he isnt all that everyone thought he was coming out of college.

DL of Note
Shawn Merriam
Marcus Spears * my choice if still available
Dan Cody

Also I worded it Badly I meant at our position #13 1st round defensive line will be there. O line Probably will not.

D-ReK
03-17-2005, 10:56 PM
Giants | Deal Reached with Burress - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:36:27 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New York Giants have reached a six-year deal with free agent WR Plaxico Burress (Steelers). The deal is worth $25 million and includes $8.25 million in guaranteed bonuses, an initial signing bonus of $5 million and a $3.25 option bonus due during the spring of 2006. The first two years of the deal have guaranteed salaries and Burress will earn $11.38 million over the first two years. Over the first three years of the deal, he will earn $14.6 million.

Looks like the Giants signed him to me...

outofhnd
03-17-2005, 10:59 PM
hmm wonder why its not on NFL.com yet of course with the baseball hearings going on ESPN did not give me squat on football today either.

barzilla
03-18-2005, 12:04 AM
its not alexander damn it!!!!!! and burress signed with the giants

Whoa! Chill out. I got the guy's name wrong. I meant Armstrong. Either way, I heard the club is talking with Bradford. Personally, I think it's a big mistake unless he's willing to come for the veteran minimum. He hasn't shown much in three years. The problem this club has offensively is two-fold. First, Carr hasn't had enough time to throw. Some of y'all have pointed to McKinney, but everytime I watched (especially in the Cleveland game) Carr spent most of his time scrambling to his right. That clearly is an indication to me that the left side of the line is the problem. Yes, I'm sure Wand will be better in year two as a starter, but I'm not sold on him as a legitimate left tackle. The second problem is that Carr checked off to Davis too often. Certainly, a lot of that has to do with the lack of protection, but it also has to do with the recievers not getting open. Bringing back the same guys just doesn't make sense. Yet, I would hate to spend a top draft pick on a WR when we have so many needs on the defensive side of the ball.

infantrycak
03-18-2005, 12:12 AM
Some of y'all have pointed to McKinney, but everytime I watched (especially in the Cleveland game) Carr spent most of his time scrambling to his right. That clearly is an indication to me that the left side of the line is the problem.

Two points--(1) Carr as most right handed QB's will typically run to his right and (2) the best pass rusher often is lined up opposite the LT. Often the LT's best tool is just riding them on a long trip around the pocket and if he pressures too much the QB steps up into the pocket. With the collapse of the middle of the line, Carr is unable to step up into the pocket to assist the OT's in riding the DE's out of the play. The middle of the line (in Cleveland especially McKinney and Brown) was exploited even if their guys didn't get credit for the ultimate sack.

barzilla
03-18-2005, 08:15 AM
Two points--(1) Carr as most right handed QB's will typically run to his right and (2) the best pass rusher often is lined up opposite the LT. Often the LT's best tool is just riding them on a long trip around the pocket and if he pressures too much the QB steps up into the pocket.

That may very well be. However, when listening to commentary during the games, most of the "experts" said that Carr "wasn't" stepping up in the pocket and not that "he couldn't" step up in the pocket. I realize experts can and are wrong in many instances, but I tend to follow their lead in this instance. I was one of those few people though that assumed the crowd was booing the offensive line in the Cleveland game. It was so obvious it was breaking down it wasn't even funny. When you have someone that is sacked well over 100 times in three seasons it's hard to question what they do, but Carr does need to learn some compensatory strategies or we need to make sure it isn't a problem.

I think the fact that the best pass rusher is put up against the left tackle is reason enough to have your best pass blocker there. Now, Wand may develop into that, but he wasn't anywhere close to that last year. I tend to believe that McKinney is nothing special, but how many truly special centers are there out there? Meanwhile, I keep reading in some mock drafts that they have us taking Alex Barron (tackle) in the first round. Anyone have a scouting report on this guy?

infantrycak
03-18-2005, 10:08 AM
That may very well be. However, when listening to commentary during the games, most of the "experts" said that Carr "wasn't" stepping up in the pocket and not that "he couldn't" step up in the pocket.

Well to each his own--JMO but it doesn't take an expert to tell if there is a pocket and far too often last year there wasn't. Certainly Carr can learn to maneuver better as well.