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Grid
03-13-2005, 01:17 AM
I was just reading an article on Pollack in the "SportingNews" magazine.. and he sounds like our kind of player.

he is not exceptionally gifted, physically.. which is the only downside he has.

He has great instincts.. an impeckable work eithic.. he trains very hard in order to "keep up" so to speak, with the other guys in the draft.

The difference between him and a physical specimen like Shawn Merriman(for example) is that Pollack has constantly been fighting people saying he isnt big enough or fast enough to play a position. He was a 265 pound DT.. and he was tearing it up in that position. But he was too small so they moved him to DE.. despite his production.

Anyway.. he isnt FAST (he ran a 4.8).. but he is QUICK.. and he is very intelligent it seems. he plays with ALOT of fire and anger.

I would be happy to grab him in the 1st. he strikes me as a cant miss player.. just because of his drive, tenacity, and intelligence. I dont think a player like that has a chance of failing in the NFL.

he would be an OLB for us.. which might work out really well for someone of his size.

Vinny
03-13-2005, 01:20 AM
Pollack had some of the better times in the quickness drills. I've been a fan of his for a while. He is my favorite youngster coming out of College. He is very impressive when interviewed also. We could do much worse than taking him. www.nfldraftscout.com has the results for the combine. Hound at hpf first pointed it out but he ran as fast as Terrell Suggs in the 40 and he had unreal short shuttle and cone drill times (3.94 and a 6.87). Darren Sproles ran a 3.96 and a 6.96 and he is lightning quick. :shocked

Carr Bombed
03-13-2005, 01:23 AM
a 4.8 for a DLman is fast. I also was impressed with the film is saw of pollack and his combine. Although at his size he may be a little to small since we only have 3 dlmen we need BIG guys to tie up blocks. Having said that I would not be upset in the least if we did aquire him. I feel we have to absolutely draft a DL man high in the draft.

Vinny
03-13-2005, 01:24 AM
He would project to OLB for us. He is nearly identical in size to Jason Babin.

Carr Bombed
03-13-2005, 01:27 AM
Sounds pretty good to me

Carr Bombed
03-13-2005, 01:29 AM
I'm just saying this is probably the last time we are going to have a high draft pick and we have youth everywhere except the dline. We need to address the line (on both sides of the ball).

Grid
03-13-2005, 01:58 AM
unfortunatly there are no truely elite prospects at DL. Spears is about the best one.. and im not so sure he is worth the #13. he seems like Jerry DeLoach to me. Solid.. but not any better than advertised.

Id be more interested in trying to acquire an extra #1 next year somehow.. and trade up for Ngata or Wright (assuming we dont already have a high 1st next year.. *fingers crossed*)

But, yah Vinny I was real impressed with what I read about him and what he said in the interview. A guy like that could be perfect for us.. especially if Wong and Greenwood are playing ILB... since they seem to be good at dropping into coverage.

Blake
03-13-2005, 02:05 AM
He would project to OLB for us. He is nearly identical in size to Jason Babin.

This is one of the reasons Im not 100% confident on getting this guy. I want a guy I know who is going to come in day one, and contribute for the start. Im not saying that Pollack isnt going to compete, but it will be tough for him.

Blake
03-13-2005, 02:07 AM
I'm just saying this is probably the last time we are going to have a high draft pick and we have youth everywhere except the dline. We need to address the line (on both sides of the ball).

This is good thinking, but I hate to use our first round pick on need. That is where ive noticed teams get messed up. They take a player like Courtney Brown over Lavar because they felt the "need" squeeze. IMO.

MojoX
03-13-2005, 02:10 AM
Pollack's NFL.com draft profile (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/pollack_david):
Excellent rush end whose only deficiency is a lack of ideal height (6-2). Pollack is very productive and disruptive coming off the edge, using his explosive quickness to penetrate the backfield. Pollack is a bit of an overachiever, but he is a smart player with natural instincts who always seems to be around the ball. He shows explosive acceleration and excellent instincts into the backfield and is very effective using his hands to disengage.

Pollack is a solid run defender with the quickness and lateral agility to make plays on the move. When he gets too high in his stance, he can be tied up working in-line, but he is able to compensate, as he uses his hands effectively to get across the blocker's face quickly. He has a high motor and makes plays from sideline to sideline. Pollack shows a natural feel for the play and, at the point of attack, has the lower leg power to hold firmly. He uses his hands, flexibility and body control to get upfield and disrupt plays off the snap (108 pressures), playing with natural leverage and strength.

Pollack does a very good job of redirecting down the line and has the speed to close when in pursuit. He is a classic wrapup tackler who makes good body adjustments and always makes plays with good force. He is a fierce pass rusher with a natural feel for the ball, demonstrating outstanding flexibility to get upfield and disrupt the snap. Due to size limitations, you would expect him to only be effective coming off the edge, but he has more than enough strength to run over blockers in his quest to get to the quarterback.

His speed allows him to beat offensive tackles off the line and redirect. His relentless approach makes him a player that must be constantly accounted for. Even when he does not make the play, his pursuit is such that it probably affected the outcome of that play. Pollack is a solid wrapup tackler who makes good body adjustments and delivers the powerful hand swipes to defeat blocks. His natural feel for the ball in the short area is likened to that of Indianapolis' Dwight Freeney, as he always seems to gain proper position before making the hit.

Texans draft section Pollack media interview clip: Link (http://play.rbn.com/?url=nfl/nfl/open/2003/texans/demand/pollack022605.rm&proto=rtsp).

Here is a Texans article on Pollack: Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=1558).

jr0ck
03-13-2005, 03:56 AM
after reading the above posts and remembering the dominating player i watched this past collegiate football season, i am hoping more and more the texans somehow aquire mr. pollack. i just get this feeling that he can do what everyone kept nagging babin wasn't doing. nothing against babin, i'm one of the few year round supporters of him, but i just like the tandem of pollack/babin. i think jason's going to come into his own this year and really standout and i just have this hunch david will make an imediate impact while still being solid (with his main weakness in coverage). anyone this enthusiastic about football would seem to have an edge when it comes converting position's...his character would also be a welcome addition to the team, because whatever team gets him will get a straight shooter that seems to be capable of becoming a leader in the first years of his NFL career. pollack definately doesn't seem to be synomonis with 'training camp holdout'...

i also feel our team can't have enough young LB's. since both lines are going to remain basically unchanged and our secondary has been acceptably solidified, i have this gut feeling the '05 draft will looking surprisingly like the '04 draft. if pollack is drafted i see him at '13' (as an OLB of course), one of the many cover guys as our second pick (CB most likely), then addressing RB, TE, OL in that order in the later rounds. but knowing cass, it's going to be a totally unpredicatable, yet a very enjoyable experiance :thumbup

uga_iv
03-13-2005, 11:17 AM
I feel like I am back in Georgia. Are you guys trying to set me up? I would love to get this guy! Intensity, intensity, intensity! Pollack always gives you 110%. His size has been questioned, but he is the same size as Babin. His times in the 40 have been questioned, but Eramus James ran comparable times and I have heard James mentioned as a possible linebacker in a 3-4. I think Babin ran comarable times to Pollack as well. Plus, Pollack had impresive times in the drills that measure quickness. Also, he ranked first in the swim move. I must admit that his armspan is short, but that is really the only legitimate criticism.

I think Pollack would be an awesome pick. I realize that many "Homers" want DJ. He is a great player, but I seriously doubt he will be on the board when we pick. Pollack will most likely be on the board and possibly we could trade down to get extra picks and still get him.

nunusguy
03-13-2005, 01:02 PM
I'd be very ambivalent about us drafting this guy. I mean what the hell would
we do with him - do we want another college DE like Jason Babin to go thru
a "trial by fire" rookie year in the NFL while they learn a brand new position.
And we are now quite strong at OLB and I think they want to give Peek a
chance to make or break himself with the team as a regular OLB.
And he's just too small to be a downlineman in the 3-4. Looks like he'd have
to gain atleast 25 lbs and then he'd be "only" 'bout 290. That's right at the
very bottom of the range for ends in our D, and you gotta wonder how much of his quickness and agility he'd lose at that weight.
But he wouldn't lose his fire, and that's what you gotta love about this guy. Talk about a presence in the locker room. He would be a very inspirational
player to have on the team and people would buy tons of tickets just to come
see his hustle and entuisiasm.

Grid
03-13-2005, 01:20 PM
Well the coaches are not sold on Peek.. and after Peek.. who do you have? Wong? he will be playing ILB and probably wont be playing with us after next season.

the reason to draft Pollack is because he is worth it. He looks like a very solid pick.. great personality, a good athlete, alot of drive. He would give us another very solid and very young OLB... and hopefully help provide the pass rush we are lacking.

honestly.. think about it.. if we dont take an LB.. what are we going to take?

WR? we dont need it.. its a very MINOR need.. and Edwards and Williams will both be gone anyway.

RB? Dont need it.. Davis has been doing well for us and if the line performs like we are expecting it to.. he will be even better.

OL? not in the first round. There is no Olineman in the first round that is WORTH a pick. There will still be linemen of comparable quality in the second, third, and fourth round.

Dline? who is the elite prospect? The only two I can think of that would fit the 3-4 and are worth the #13 is Marcus Spears, and Anntaj Hawthorne. There will still be some very high quality Dlinemen available in the 2nd 3rd and 4th. (BTW there is also Shaun Cody, but everything I read about him is about him being a quick pass rusher.. and that he is a little small to play DT. THat doesnt strike me as 3-4 Dlineman kinda traits)

Secondary? we need NO HELP in our secondary. if we take a player in the secondary.. I would be surprised. Signing Lewis has shored us up there.


so that leaves LBs. of course.. you have ILB and OLB. But there is only ONE ILB that is an elite level player.. and that is DJ. The others will be available in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

BuffSoldier
03-13-2005, 01:29 PM
As much as I loved Pollack and cheered for him when I saw him play last year. I just dont think that he couldn win a starting job for us as an OLB. Hes not going to come in and be a better pass rusher than Babin and definitely no Peek. If we draft him it would basically be drafting for depth, when we could use some people at other positions.

Grid
03-13-2005, 01:31 PM
hmm.. I disagree with ya BuffSoldier.. but im basing it just one what ive read about him, not what ive seen from him. So who knows.. maybe you are right there.

nunusguy
03-13-2005, 02:01 PM
But there is only ONE ILB that is an elite level player.. and that is DJ. The others will be available in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
Like you say there's good backer strength in the mid rounds, so I'm thinking they do take an ILB somewhere in the 2nd thru 4th rounds and play Wong/Peek @ weakside OLB this fall. If Peek finally matures and realizes his
potential, then they have the pleasant problem of figuring what to do with Wong in what will probably be his last year here. If Peek once again fails to
blossom, Wong covers.
Someone mentioned choosing Williamson instead of Clayton - I don't think
he'll be on the Board when we pick but if he is, we might very well take him over Clayton. But I think Mark Clayton might be this years Michael Clayton.

Marcus
03-13-2005, 02:15 PM
. . . and he had unreal short shuttle and cone drill times (3.94 and a 6.87). Darren Sproles ran a 3.96 and a 6.96 and he is lightning quick. :shocked

For comparison purposes, I looked up both Jason Babin and Antwan Peek's combine times.

Babin ran two 40s (4.64, 4.67), the short shuttle (4.14) and the three-cone drill (7.03). Peek ran one 40 (4.66), the short shuttle (4.38) and the three-cone drill (7.06)

Interesting. By just looking at the quickness drills, Babin is quicker than Peek, even though he outweighs him by twenty pounds. And Pollack is quicker than the both of them.

I think you just sold me on Pollack.

Youngstown Colt
03-13-2005, 02:39 PM
This is good thinking, but I hate to use our first round pick on need. That is where ive noticed teams get messed up. They take a player like Courtney Brown over Lavar because they felt the "need" squeeze. IMO.
actually, they took courtney because he was the better player.

hound
03-18-2005, 08:24 PM
Shawne Merriman is a very hot prospect right now at OLB. Chances are pretty good that the Cowboys will take him before Houston gets a chance to . Lots of people think he'd be great for Houston at ROLB. Merriman is an obviously very gifted physical type... He had a very nice Pro Day running about a 4.66 40 at 274 pounds. If he plays ROLB he'll probably play lighter.

And then there's Pollack. He is not so obviously gifted... He ran only a 4.75 or so 40... But the truth is Pollack is as gifted as anyone in the draft. He just has his gifts in other places besides his straight away speed.

As Vinny said above....

"Hound at hpf first pointed it out but he ran as fast as Terrell Suggs in the 40 and he had unreal short shuttle and cone drill times (3.94 and a 6.87). Darren Sproles ran a 3.96 and a 6.96 and he is lightning quick."

Talk about gifted... Pollack is 6'2" 265 pounds and he is as quick as the very quickest running back... a little 5'6" RB. And his 40 is still as fast as the best sack artist to enter the NFL in the last three years.

I mean Merriman is great and it would be okay if the Texans take him. And if you wanted someone to run 40 yards and then tackle someone Merriman would get there before Pollack... But if you want someone to come off the line and tackle the QB... no DE/OLB can compete with Pollack.

But the truth is timed numbers isn't really what it's all about. It's really about how they played in real games. Well Pollack left Georgia with 36 sacks... and he only had 2 the first year.

DJ Williams is a great LB and most people thought he was going to sweep all the awards for defensive players... But he didn't... because Pollack won half of them. Pollack will be a great pick for someone and he'll get picked possibly in the second half of the first round. The Texans could probably trade down a few spots and still get Pollack. And if we do, after Pollacks rookie year everyone will want the Texas arrested for stealing.

nunusguy
03-18-2005, 09:22 PM
Shawne Merriman is a very hot prospect right now at OLB. Chances are pretty good that the Cowboys will take him before Houston gets a chance to . Lots of people think he'd be great for Houston at ROLB. Merriman is an obviously very gifted physical type... He had a very nice Pro Day running about a 4.66 40 at 274 pounds. If he plays ROLB he'll probably play lighter.
And then there's Pollack. He is not so obviously gifted... He ran only a 4.75 or so 40... But the truth is Pollack is as gifted as anyone in the draft. He just has his gifts in other places besides his straight away speed.

It would be interesting to see what Cass & Crew would do if they were faced
with the decision of Merriman & Pollack both being left on the Board for our
pick. Its really athlete vs. football player, Secretariat vs. Seabiscuit. I dunno,
Cass has got a way of surprising, he's not dull and I think that's one reason
its fun to have him around.
But as a practical matter, Pollack is really better suited to play strongside
OLB than Babin. I mean he's played not just DE but also DT in college and that's in the SEC, so dealing with TEs as an OLB would be a snap for David. And I really think maybe they always wanted Babin over on weakside.

D-ReK
03-18-2005, 09:42 PM
Pollack would be an unreal playmaker here and we could probably trade down to get him...If we come out of the first round with Pollack and an extra second, I'd be very pleased...

royce1054
03-20-2005, 04:52 AM
Pollack would be an unreal playmaker here and we could probably trade down to get him...If we come out of the first round with Pollack and an extra second, I'd be very pleased...

His stock has been falling like a rock.... The latest news is hes a mid 20's player. That he might be a College Overacheiver like a Chris Hovan..

mean mark8
03-21-2005, 12:15 AM
I don't think we need to go for defense with our first pick again this year. Let's let the 2 guys we got last year mature into their positions. Supposedly, we didn't use the entire defensive playbook because we had Babin and Robinson starting. I'd hate to see us so vanilla for another year just to let another rookie get used to the system. I think Peek at one outside backer position and Babin at the other will get pressure on the quarterback if they can play by instinct at not so much "We have to work on technique" like we heard all of last year. Their technique should be down now, let's see them get after it.

I don't think anyone would disagree that our more pressing need is at offensive left tackle. If that position is not addressed in this offseason, it won't matter what receivers we have or running back for that matter, the defense's right end is always going to be in our backfield. Did any of you watch us play against Colts' Freeney? Seth Wand is an embarrassment at left tackle and was punished by him in week 13. Of course he also gave up 3 sacks earlier in the season to his backup in week 9. That's 6 sacks in 2 games against the 1 team we need to beat if we're going anywhere this year.

keyfro
03-21-2005, 12:37 AM
i look at pollack and i see teddy bruschi...teddy was a DE in college and ended up playing ILB for the patriots as we all know...i could see us drafting him and playing him at a bunch of positions...pollack is an old fashion football player...i think we could put him at ILB and he would do just as good as he would at OLB or DE(4-3defense)...all around great kid...but not a 13th rated player

D-ReK
03-21-2005, 04:06 AM
His stock has been falling like a rock.... The latest news is hes a mid 20's player. That he might be a College Overacheiver like a Chris Hovan..

It's understandable...He has short arms and probably isn't powerful enough to handle NFL OTs...I've said it before and I'll say it again: he needs to be in a 3-4 to reach his full potential in the NFL...

D-ReK
03-21-2005, 04:10 AM
I don't think anyone would disagree that our more pressing need is at offensive left tackle. If that position is not addressed in this offseason, it won't matter what receivers we have or running back for that matter, the defense's right end is always going to be in our backfield. Did any of you watch us play against Colts' Freeney? Seth Wand is an embarrassment at left tackle and was punished by him in week 13. Of course he also gave up 3 sacks earlier in the season to his backup in week 9. That's 6 sacks in 2 games against the 1 team we need to beat if we're going anywhere this year.

Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis abused everyone, not just Wand...Guess you didn't see Freeney own Jonathan Ogden on Sunday Night Football...Our tackles played fine last year, and Wand will only continue to improve...The only line positions I see us looking at are RT (Weigert is old and was injured last year) and C (McKinney regularly got owned by pretty much everyone)...

Mr Shush
03-22-2005, 12:11 PM
Put it this way: if the Pats (grumble grumble goddamn Pats) had our pick, and Pollack was still there, I'm pretty sure they'd take him. I don't think you really need to say much more about the guy than that.

Mr Shush
03-23-2005, 11:35 AM
i look at pollack and i see teddy bruschi

Well, if he actually does turn into Bruschi, in my book he's worth no.1, never mind no.13. But even without being quite so optimistic, I regard Pollack as the best 'tweener prospect in the draft.

cadahnic
03-23-2005, 12:03 PM
Have to disagree. In a draft full of tweeners Pollack cannot have my number one prospect. I like D. Ware, T. Davis, and Marlin Jackson. Take your pick and they are all more valuable tweeners on a whole than pollack. For our particular system Pollack and Merrimen can fight it out.

Mr Shush
03-23-2005, 12:06 PM
Sorry, I just meant DE-LB tweeners. Although I actually like him better than any of those guys anyway.

D-ReK
03-23-2005, 12:34 PM
Have to disagree. In a draft full of tweeners Pollack cannot have my number one prospect. I like D. Ware, T. Davis, and Marlin Jackson. Take your pick and they are all more valuable tweeners on a whole than pollack. For our particular system Pollack and Merrimen can fight it out.

Marlin Jackson is a CB/FS tweener and Thomas Davis is a SS/LB tweener, so it's hard to compare them to Pollack, a DE/OLB tweener...

FWIW, I have the tweeners ranked like this:
1. Merriman
2. Pollack
3. Ware
4. Dan Cody

The only person I don't want to see us draft this year is that headcase Cody...

royce1054
03-23-2005, 02:45 PM
Merriman will go top 10
James will go either 10 or 11
Spears will go 12
then its a toss up after that
Shaun Cody, Dan Cody, Matt Roth, Pollack.... and those for are end of the teens to early 20's.

None of those people on that list will make 2nd round.

Mr Shush
03-24-2005, 07:58 AM
Shaun Cody's a DE-DT, not a DE-LB. For us he'd be a DE, so he's not competing with Pollack, who we'd be looking to convert to a strong side linebacker or even an ILB.

royce1054
03-24-2005, 06:49 PM
Shaun Cody's a DE-DT, not a DE-LB. For us he'd be a DE, so he's not competing with Pollack, who we'd be looking to convert to a strong side linebacker or even an ILB.

When i did that i clump them together bc in a 3-4 he would play DE. Antajj Hawthorne and Travis johnson i kinda put them into the NT area.

D-ReK
03-24-2005, 06:54 PM
When i did that i clump them together bc in a 3-4 he would play DE. Antajj Hawthorne and Travis johnson i kinda put them into the NT area.

Travis Johnson is a strictly one-gap player...If we were to draft him, it would be as a DE...

royce1054
03-25-2005, 02:36 AM
Travis Johnson is a strictly one-gap player...If we were to draft him, it would be as a DE...

O i was just talking # of DE and DT drafted in 1st round

outofhnd
03-25-2005, 03:11 AM
Hawthorne to me could probably play either one,

By the way where is Luis Castillo ranked to go in the draft he looks like a steal when you put his athleticism number in Pat Kirwans Formula.

Which I kind of like in regards to Defensive prospects and who would be the best guy.

He takes their Vert leap, Long Jump, & Bench Reps and totals their figures.

Luis Castillo Northwestern DT 34 10-foot-10 32 = 77
Shawne Merriman Maryland DE/LB 40 10-foot-1 25 = 75
Demarcus Ware Troy State DE/LB 38 10-foot-2 27 = 75
Derek Wake Penn State LB 45 10-foot-10 20 = 75
Darryl Blackstock Virginia Tech LB 39 10-foot-6 25 = 74
David Pollack Georgia DE/LB 37 10-foot 25 = 72
Bryant McFadden Florida State CB 38 10-foot-10 23 = 72
Justin Tuck Notre Dame DE/LB 38 9-foot-10 24 = 72
Fabian Washington Nebraska CB 41 10-foot-9 18 = 70

hound
03-25-2005, 08:33 AM
Hawthorne to me could probably play either one,

By the way where is Luis Castillo ranked to go in the draft he looks like a steal when you put his athleticism number in Pat Kirwans Formula.

Which I kind of like in regards to Defensive prospects and who would be the best guy.

He takes their Vert leap, Long Jump, & Bench Reps and totals their figures.

Luis Castillo Northwestern DT 34 10-foot-10 32 = 77
Shawne Merriman Maryland DE/LB 40 10-foot-1 25 = 75
Demarcus Ware Troy State DE/LB 38 10-foot-2 27 = 75
Derek Wake Penn State LB 45 10-foot-10 20 = 75
Darryl Blackstock Virginia Tech LB 39 10-foot-6 25 = 74
David Pollack Georgia DE/LB 37 10-foot 25 = 72
Bryant McFadden Florida State CB 38 10-foot-10 23 = 72
Justin Tuck Notre Dame DE/LB 38 9-foot-10 24 = 72
Fabian Washington Nebraska CB 41 10-foot-9 18 = 70

Maybe you should then divide it by their short shuttle and then add the total number of sacks and interceptions they had in their college career(at least for the LB type) since how they played in the real games is probably more important than the number they put up at the combine.

And if you did that Ware has a 44.92 and Merriman has a 39.68 and finally Pollack has a 58.27...

Ware was best before the college sacks and interceptions were added in...

And what does it all mean. Not very much.

D-ReK
03-25-2005, 11:09 AM
By the way where is Luis Castillo ranked to go in the draft he looks like a steal when you put his athleticism number in Pat Kirwans Formula.


Castillo is probably the 3rd rated DT in the draft...I think he'll either go late 1st or early 2nd, depending on where Johnson and Hawthorne go...

Grid
03-29-2005, 07:01 PM
Well ive made it clear in other posts that I like Pollack and would love us to grab him.


But, ive been projecting him as an OLB tweener. is it possible he could be an ILB for us?

hes 265 pounds.. thats about 15 pounds heavier than you would expect from a 3-4 ILB.. but he also scored outstanding in his quickness drills and could possibly be a great coverage guy.

On top of that.. he played DT before he got moved to DE and so has some experience working within the tackles.


In an article I read on Pollack it mentioned that he had great production at 265lbs, but that when he tried to move up closer to 300... his production slacked off quite a bit. Hes a player that works better at a lower weight. Is it possible then that we might get even more out of him if we got him to move down to maybe 255 pounds? or would it maybe work the same as having him try to move up to 300?


Anyway.. its just a thought. considering our needs at ILB, and Pollacks demeanor and numbers.. it seems like he could possibly be a great ILB in the NFL. But I dont know a whole lot about this kinda thing so, tell me what you think.

D-ReK
03-29-2005, 09:11 PM
I'm not sure that Pollack has the coverage skills necessary to play ILB in our scheme...His strengths are getting to the QB and stopping the run, so I think he'd be a perfect fit at OLB, but I don't think his strengths fit what an ILB would be required to do...I could be wrong though...

texasguy346
03-29-2005, 09:46 PM
I agree that he probably isn't a good fit at ILB as a rookie, but perhaps with time he could takeover Wong's role in the defense. He could be versatile enough to play either inside or out once he gets a feel for the defense and he gets coached up by our staff. He always seemed like a guy who could do just about anything you asked him to do.

infantrycak
03-29-2005, 09:50 PM
I would hope that Capers' prior statements about getting the best 4 LB's (or best whatever number at that position) on the field are accurate and he is a good enough coach to scheme around different talents. Seems to me if they drafted Pollack they should be able to either move him or Peek to ILB (retaining the other at OLB) and teach him the new responsibilities or change the scheme to fit the guys on the field.

royce1054
03-29-2005, 09:59 PM
I would hope that Capers' prior statements about getting the best 4 LB's (or best whatever number at that position) on the field are accurate and he is a good enough coach to scheme around different talents. Seems to me if they drafted Pollack they should be able to either move him or Peek to ILB (retaining the other at OLB) and teach him the new responsibilities or change the scheme to fit the guys on the field.

u mean keep Wong outside

Bubbajwp
03-29-2005, 10:35 PM
wong and greenwood are our starting ILB end of story

GoBlue
03-29-2005, 10:45 PM
Pollack seems like the type of guy that can contribute anywhere on the defensive front (mostly as an OLB). In long yardage situations though, put him in at DE. Rest Peek on some passing downs to keep those pass rushers fresh. Or maybe even more him inside on occasion. He is a football player wherever you put him. And no, I'm not a Georgia alumnus. I just want someone on our defensive front that makes QBs and offensive coordinators nervous. :woot

outofhnd
03-29-2005, 10:59 PM
I just dont see him as a good inside guy this early, maybe later in his career if he played for us hed split time with both Peek and Babin.

royce1054
03-29-2005, 11:01 PM
wong and greenwood are our starting ILB end of story

wow a little touchey arent you. This is just speculation everyone puts on here. Knowone on here knows who will play where but Casserly and Capers and maybe the players if they have been told.

keyfro
03-29-2005, 11:05 PM
the thing with pollack is he has enough physical talents to play a lot of positions...he's not really made for just one position...he's like 10lbs too light for 4-3 DE...he's probably even a little heavy for 3-4 OLB but he's speed is great so it doesn't matter...there were a lot of comments like this when Bruschi was coming out...no one had a clue where to play him...i honestly think the best place for him is ILB for the 3-4 defense...as long as he goes to a team with a solid linebacker coach(like us) and is given time to adjust...a year behind Wong at ILB would do wonders for him maybe even two years...Pollack is a kind of player where if you give him time to develop you will get a lot in return if you rush him into things it'll probably back fire on you...either way if we get Pollack in the draft via a trade up back in the first round or down in the first round i'll be alright with that because i really do think he'll be just like Tedy Bruschi and will be a pro bowler for years to come just because of his never quit attitude

this is the kind of guy you want in your lockerroom and not going after your QB...if we let Jacksonville or Indy get him we will be regretting it for a long long time...mark my words

outofhnd
03-29-2005, 11:47 PM
Physical talents yes,

But he doesn't know the playbook Bruschi was a weakside linebacker before he became an inside linebacker. That is why if we drafted him he would be another OLB for our Defense.

Grid
03-29-2005, 11:56 PM
Well, Pollack is a smart guy, and has a great attitude.. I think if you drafted him and said "your an ILB".. he would make it work. But like I said, i like the guy so my opinion is a bit bias :).

I think with his quickness, he will be great in coverage. A guy that quick and instinctive... he SHOULD be a good cover LB. And like I said, he played DT.. he is strong against the run.. and with his size and speed.. he would be great at ILB I think.

I mean what more can you ask for in an ILB? Size AND quickness? A run stuffer AND coverage ability? a great work ethic AND a headhunter personality on the field?


I really hope we grab this guy :)

outofhnd
03-30-2005, 12:08 AM
where is this "coverage ability"? I havent heard anyone even mention that when they talk about him. Are you assuming with his quickness and ability to sniff out the ball? He's got quickness but that quickness may be lost when he has to react to the ball in the air not when the ball is snapped.

Last time i checked Bruschi was a smart guy too it is still an adjustment you dont want to put a rookie college DE through. Having to recognize formations and know your coverage duties in each formation. Maybe after 2 years he can move inside after playing at NFL speed and has a definitive grasp on the playbook.

Grid
03-30-2005, 01:36 AM
I get the coverage ability from what I know about him.. not from any hard evidence.

he is very quick. he has great football instincts. he does a great job of following the ball. he makes good decisions on the field. All of this leads me to beleive that he will be good in coverage. That doesnt mean it is not possible that he could suck in coverage.. but when you also take into consideration that he is driven and has a strong desire to succeed and dominate and prove himself.. I dont think he would settle for being bad in coverage.


As for throwing him right in.. Babin was a DE in college, and he came in as a starter immediatly. he struggled in coverage at some times.. but for the most part he did well. I think Pollack could come in and do the same thing.. possibly even better than Babin.

keyfro
03-30-2005, 02:02 AM
that also why pollack and bruschi are so similar because both were college DE's and both might have to make the same adjustment in the pros

ask yourself this is bruschi good in coverage? was he when he first got into the NFL? how will pollack do versus bruschi? those are the questions

outofhnd
03-30-2005, 02:41 AM
Babin came in at OLB! Its a lot easier at OLB because you just have to know your position not your other LB positions and if needed pick up the slack of your other ILB!

Im saying give the kid a year or 2 at OLB then make the switch if he shows to be an excellent inside guy. Bruschi didn't play inside until his 5th or 6th year in the NFL.

The reason im saying don't put him inside is not because he isnt smart id rather my top selection get a good grasp on the NFL game speed then let him learn inside LB slowly. That way hes seasoned has a little bit of veteran in him and have a better understanding of what he will need to change. Anf if he can't then he can still be a qulaity OLB

Grid
03-30-2005, 04:01 AM
Thats a good idea outofhnd.. and we have Wong for another year so its not like he would HAVE to be put immediatly at ILB because of a need. he could play OLB and learn the system.. then we could put him at ILB next year. Course that would leave us without an OLB (this is assuming Peek just isnt starter material)

As for him compared to Bruschi.. they are very similar it seems.. but I think Pollack might have the edge on him because of his quickness. Thats why I think he would be better in coverage.

Vinny
03-30-2005, 04:15 AM
Bruschi is 15-20 pounds lighter than Pollack. I am not sure I'd like to see Pollack in space covering running backs and TE's like Winslow, Gonzales and Gates. If you thought Foreman got lit up just wait to see the slower Pollack cover these types.

Grid
03-30-2005, 04:27 AM
Would he really be slower though? for one.. im betting that Pollack could lose 10 pounds and not lose any production. He kept his weight up to play DE.. if he didnt need that weight I bet he could drop it and probably become MORE productive as an LB.

secondly.. at 4.79.. is he slower than Foreman anyway? That aint exactly SLOW. And when you factor in that he is probably QUICKER and could possibly have better instincts than foreman (cause ive heard Pollack has great football instincts).. he could potentially be ALOT faster than Foreman. I mean.. when you are in space.. coveringTEs and slot receivers.. you dont need to really be fast enough to run with them stride for stride.. you need to be intelligent/observant enough to spot where the ball is going.. and quick enough to make a break on the ball before the play develops. It seems that Pollack would have the tools to do that, and do it well.

Vinny
03-30-2005, 06:14 AM
Quick but not fast guys like Pollack has a skill that is used for trench fighting taking on 300 pounders and beating them with superior quickness. You need more straight line speed to cover backs and TE's. He may work out in the middle, but I don't think he is fast enough in our scheme. Capers wants to get faster in the middle. Thats one reason we are moving Sharper and Foreman out in the first place.

nunusguy
03-30-2005, 11:57 AM
I to am a fan of David Pollack and would love to have him playing ball
here in Houston in a Texans uniform. I remember when he came to town
last year and accepted the city's Lombardi Award by the Rotary
Club by beating out several other prominent college D players. He was very gracious and classy in his acceptance remarks and I remember thinking
he would instantly be a fan favorite here in town.
And he has got to be one of the most decorated and awarded players
in recent years in college football: won SEC defensive Player of the Year
twice , just won the award as MVP in Bowl game vs. Wisconsin, and of course the Lombardi. With that much success in what is arguably the best
football conference in college - you know he will do well at the next level.
He will probably be there at 13 and we probably won't take him. Afterall,
how many downlineman-to-LB transitions involving a first rounder (let alone our overall top pick), do the Texans want to go thru.
But then again, if a team really embraces the concept of BPA and if that concept doesn't mean best athlete as much as it means "Best Football Player
Available" - hey, David Pollack is probably the purest and best football
player in the whole 2005 College Draft.

Grid
03-30-2005, 12:00 PM
I need to try and find the 40 times for our other LBs and see about where Pollack would fall.

infantrycak
03-30-2005, 12:14 PM
Here are Babin's agility numbers from the combine:

Timed at 4.69 in the 40-yard dash 460-pound bench press 540-pound squat 383-pound power clean 405-pound incline press 34-inch vertical jump 9-foot-8 broad jump 4.03 in the 20-yard shuttle 33 1/8-inch arm length 9 7/8-inch hands Right-handed.

Saw reports of low 4.6's at his school.

Here are Peek's:

CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
4.54 in the 40-yard dash (4.63 hand-held) 2.57 in the 20-yard dash 1.56 in the 10-yard dash 36-inch vertical jump 10-foot-5 broad jump 1,625-pound leg press 775-pound squat 375-pound bench press Bench presses 225 pounds 24 times 370-pound squat 6.7 percent body fat Right-handed.
COMBINE AGILITY TESTS
ARM HAND TEST 40 20 10 225 VJ BJ SHUTTLE CONE
32 9 3/8 13 4.67 2.69 1.54 21 37 10'5" 4.35 7.07

Basically they are both 4.6'ers.

Vinny
03-30-2005, 12:20 PM
Interesting that Greenwood ran a 4.6's (and better) also it seems. Here is what the late Joel Bushbaum said about Greenwood when he came out... OLB Morlon Greenwood (6-0, 237, 4.6) Syracuse

Notes: Has run under 4.5 on Syracuse's very fast timing surface. =
New York State 215-pound high school wrestling champion. Redshirted at =
Syracuse in 1996 and has started every game the past four years. Also =
was a Defensive MVP and the leading tackler in the Blue-Gray Classic. =
Had 64 tackles and 1=BD sacks in '97, 54 tackles and two sacks in '98, =
91 tackles and one sack in '99 and 98 tackles in 2000. Has not picked =
off a pass during a regular-season game in his college career, but he =
did break up seven passes in 2000.=20

Positives: Hard worker. Team oriented. Very durable and reliable. =
Can be counted on to answer the bell and to play the assigned defense. =
Excellent speed. Very good athletic ability. Smooth and fluid. =
Aggressive. Should do well on special teams. Very good pursuit and =
hustle. Top chase-down player who is very hard to run away from.

Negatives: Short and not as powerful as you would like. Struggles =
to take on blockers. Does not do a good job of shedding and generally =
has to run around blockers or he will be blocked out of the play. Most =
of his tackles come down the field. Average pass rusher. May be too =
disciplined. Will not take a calculated risk to make a big play. Has =
made very few big plays during his career. Does not appear to be overly =
instinctive.=20

Summary: Very fast, very durable and very disciplined, but he is =
basically a by-the-numbers, assignment-type player who does what he is =
coached to do but rarely makes a big play.

Lucky
03-30-2005, 12:54 PM
Here are Babin's agility numbers from the combine:

Timed at 4.69 in the 40-yard dash 460-pound bench press 540-pound squat 383-pound power clean 405-pound incline press 34-inch vertical jump 9-foot-8 broad jump 4.03 in the 20-yard shuttle 33 1/8-inch arm length 9 7/8-inch hands Right-handed.

I'm not sure those are from the combine, because they don't perform the squat, clean, or incline press lifts & the bench press is reps of 225 lbs. Here's what I have from last year on Babin:

Ht - 6'1.5"
Wt - 260 lbs
BF% - 15.6
Bench - 28
40 (1st) - 4.64
40 (2nd) - 4.60
No obstacle course numbers

Mr Shush
03-30-2005, 01:26 PM
Come on. No linebacker in the league can cover Gates or Gonzales, so that's clearly not the issue. If he turns out not to be able to cover good-but-not-great players, like Randy McMichael or Marcus Pollard, maybe that's more of a problem. I agree that he wouldn't be an instant starter at ILB, whereas he probably would be on the outside, but that doesn't mean it won't eventually be his best position. I would be very, very happy if we drafted this guy.

beerlover
03-30-2005, 02:43 PM
Make no mistake Texans- David Pollack is no tweener he is a hybrid 3-4 OLB pure & simple. draft him, plug him in at ROLB and watch the defense tighten its teeth around offenses jugular.

some say its too early to take him (#13) that we need to trade down, pick up an extra 3rd (we already have two) then select him. what happens if he's gone when its the Texans turn to make that latter pick, I'm sure another player that could help improve the Texans would be available but would he be as high on Casserly's draft board?

about the only way I could live with this move (missing on Pollack or another highly rated prospect @ #13) would be rating David Baas high enough to take him latter in the 1st. these kinda players are instant starters from day 1 and generally its not a good idea to get cute and project everyone else to pass given the chance.

other people want Peek to be the starting ROLB. this is where as fans I think we lose the game planning, exacution of assignments & details we are not privey too. if Cappers & his staff feel he is ready then so be it, if not it sure seems the Texans Linebackers have been a major focus of change this off season and if Pollack is clearly the final piece of the puzzle then drafting him makes sense.

one last thought..... in the 3-4 you want to invest your money to get the most bang for the buck in your OLB's. as we've seen the shift to this scheme throughout the NFL it becomes apparent these guys are invaluable to the success of this alignment. guys like Pollack & Babin are ideal for this position, will be drafted higher and get paid better than most defensive positions (besides CB).
:)

nunusguy
03-30-2005, 05:33 PM
watch the defense tighten its teeth around offenses jugular.
:)
Colorful language Beerlover, sounds like you're focused and ready for the season to start tomorrow.

keyfro
03-30-2005, 05:36 PM
let's just put it this way if we end up with pollack no one i think can argue that it is a bad move...i'll go with capers where ever he puts him...i believe pollack can play a number of positions on our defense...he's a great kid...he's a great leader, and he's a great emotional pumping player to watch

as for peek i believe he can come in and start at ROLB...i've said that before...with that being said what do you see us doing with him after this year when he's contract is up if we do select pollack and he takes over the starting job moving wong inside next to greenwood?

beerlover
03-30-2005, 11:31 PM
let's just put it this way if we end up with pollack no one i think can argue that it is a bad move...i'll go with capers where ever he puts him...i believe pollack can play a number of positions on our defense...he's a great kid...he's a great leader, and he's a great emotional pumping player to watch
:thumbup
as for peek i believe he can come in and start at ROLB...i've said that before...
I would be more than willing to see him given every opportunity, in my opinion he plays more like a undersized DE, no doubt he could be a dominant pass rusher the only problem is teams take advantage of that and he hurts the team in space he cannot cover. this maybe better addressed with more speed ILB's like Greenwood but play action and screens are his weakness.
with that being said what do you see us doing with him after this year when he's contract is up if we do select pollack and he takes over the starting job moving wong inside next to greenwood?

excellent question :confused: this is why the Texans front office makes the big money. really plain and simple if the Texans draft Pollack they really don't need to pay a big free agent contract to keep Peek & while Pollack has the flexibilty to "play a number of positions on our defense" Peek does not and will be limited to the OLB position and therefore expendable. although there is nothing wrong in having a little depth & who knows maybe Pollack could become the our ILB given his football knowledge & attributes.

Grid
03-31-2005, 01:17 AM
This is why Ive been thinking maybe Pollack in the first.. and Demarcus Ware, Darryl Blackstock, Barret Ruud, or Channing Crowder in the second.

THat would tie up alot of money in our LBs though. I think Pollack in the first would be enough. We let Wong go next year.. possibly keep Peek.. but either way we can look at FA to maybe grab another Morlon Greenwood.. but cheaper hopefully :P

Im kinda liking the thought of grabbing Matt Jones in the second. He looks like quite the prospect.. though hes a bit of a risk.. he really isnt any riskier than our past 2nd and 3rd round selections :P.. and if he didnt pan out it would not be any big shocker for us.

I reaaaalllllyyy hope that we break our habit of making "eh" to bad selections in the 2nd and 3rd round. If we could have a good draft this year.. it would set us up nicely for the next few. This is the first draft where we have no GLARING needs.. we have some big needs.. but nothing that we cant function without.

Mr Shush
04-01-2005, 10:54 AM
Yeah, #1 Pollack and #2 Jones sounds good to me (although not the combination likely to have most immediate impact - both have some element of "project" about them). That's ok - we're not going far into the playoffs (if we get there at all) this time around.

royce1054
04-02-2005, 04:47 PM
Well i am hearing that The Green Bay Packers want to move up and select their replacement for Brett Farve. Alex Smith will be there at #13. We can move down to 24 pick up a 2nd and 3rd. Then we can use those to trade up. I have to believe we can get a real OLB in Darryl Blackstock or Kevin Burnett right there.

Grid
04-02-2005, 05:25 PM
we wont get a 2nd and 3rd to move down to 24.

I think we are more likely to make a trade with San Diego, Dallas, or Minnesota.. since they all have 2 picks in the first.

OR.. I would like to see us trade down with Philly for the #31 and #35.. then attempt to move up to #18 or #20 with a packaged #2 and both #3s.

That would give us two picks in the first.. and a high second on day one. we could get 3 starter quality players on day one.. and still grab a good DT or interior OL in the 4th.

We could grab David Pollack and Anttaj Hawthorne with our #1s.

royce1054
04-02-2005, 08:58 PM
if we move down i think we go Clayton with that pick
then we can get an OLB, CB in the 2nd
then with the 3rd rounders we could go OL and DE

I dont think we will draft DT. I think end is more of a good pick for us. I think their is a possibility Walker wont be back. I think we might try to draft a replacement for him. There is good talent at End in this draft.

TexansTrueFan
04-02-2005, 09:08 PM
if we move down i think we go Clayton with that pick
then we can get an OLB, CB in the 2nd
then with the 3rd rounders we could go OL and DE

I dont think we will draft DT. I think end is more of a good pick for us. I think their is a possibility Walker wont be back. I think we might try to draft a replacement for him. There is good talent at End in this draft.


But Walker just signed a pretty nice contract not to long ago, so he'll be back.

Vinny
04-02-2005, 09:13 PM
I'd put the chance that Walker won't be back at around 0%

royce1054
04-03-2005, 12:46 AM
But Walker just signed a pretty nice contract not to long ago, so he'll be back.

If he has another season like last year he will end up the same way that Sharper and Foreman did.

D-ReK
04-03-2005, 01:27 AM
Walker just signed a big contract and I am unsure of the ramifications of releasing him, as I have been unable to find the exact details of his contract...I'd venture to say releasing him after two years of his contract would result in plenty of dead cap space...Anyway Royce, don't be so negative...I fully believe Walker will have a rebound season this year...He seemed to play better later in the season, he'll be further removed from injury, and he won't be coming off of signing a new contract, which seems to make players less inclined to push themselves...I'm almost positive G-Funk will make an impact this season...

royce1054
04-03-2005, 06:07 AM
Walker just signed a big contract and I am unsure of the ramifications of releasing him, as I have been unable to find the exact details of his contract...I'd venture to say releasing him after two years of his contract would result in plenty of dead cap space...Anyway Royce, don't be so negative...I fully believe Walker will have a rebound season this year...He seemed to play better later in the season, he'll be further removed from injury, and he won't be coming off of signing a new contract, which seems to make players less inclined to push themselves...I'm almost positive G-Funk will make an impact this season...

just being honest. Not negative but he needs to improve. We are allowed 1 off year and that was his.

nunusguy
04-08-2005, 11:05 PM
This mock has us taking Pollack to play ILB.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/mock2005.html

canadiantexan
04-09-2005, 01:40 AM
what about a trade with Cincy or New orleans. We could pick up an extra 3rd rounder and then trade two of our three third rounders for a high 2nd rounder to a team like the niners or Browns who need depth picks. That way we could have 1 first rounder,
two seconds, two thirds and so on.with that we could get something like:
1. David pollack, 2a. Baas, 2b.Matt Jones, 3a.CB, 3b.DL [B]OR
1. williamson/Clayton 2a.baas, 2b.Chowder, 3a.CB, 3b.DL

canadiantexan
04-09-2005, 01:42 AM
what about a trade with Cincy or New orleans. We could pick up an extra 3rd rounder and then trade two of our three third rounders for a high 2nd rounder to a team like the niners or Browns who need depth picks. That way we could have 1 first rounder,
two seconds, two thirds and so on.with that we could get something like:
1. David pollack, 2a. Baas, 2b.Matt Jones, 3a.CB, 3b.DL [B]OR
1. williamson/Clayton 2a.baas, 2b.Chowder, 3a.CB, 3b.DL
sorry I meant crowder not chowder it must be time to sleep

canadiantexan
04-09-2005, 01:56 AM
sorry we would only have one 3rd round pick so DL in the 4th. goodnight!

thetexanator
04-12-2005, 01:55 AM
this guy's motor is just a great intangible. experts are saying hes undersized and too slow, but werent those the same knocks on dwight freeney? hes gunna be a great pickup for a 43 team. if only we had a 4-3 and could trade down a couple of spots.

D-ReK
04-12-2005, 01:59 AM
He'll have to survive in the NFL on his quickness becuase his arms aren't long enough to allow him to get leverage on bigger OTs...I think the best chance he has of being a star is in a 3-4 as an OLB where he won't have to go head up on an OT every play...

Grid
04-12-2005, 02:09 AM
I think he would be an awesome fit for us at ROLB.

ocd
04-12-2005, 02:30 AM
Pollack will be a serious asset in the 3-4. I really hope we sign this guy because he will impact the pass rush big time. Reminds me of the Terrell Suggs situation about all the knocks on him...and look what he's done. I bet we pass on him though and I just hope no AFC South team gets him.

D-ReK
04-12-2005, 02:33 AM
I bet we pass on him though and I just hope no AFC South team gets him.

I can't see us taking him at 13, but he'd be a good trade down prospect...If any AFC South team takes him, it would be Jacksonville, who has a need at DE and the 21st pick...

ocd
04-12-2005, 02:37 AM
If any AFC South team takes him, it would be Jacksonville, who has a need at DE and the 21st pick...


And I absolutely despise the Jags. That would be my 2005 NFL Draft nightmare.

TexansTrueFan
04-12-2005, 05:44 AM
i figure C.C will suprise us with some of the picks they select, they seem to have the nose for sniffing out draft talent, cause most of our draft picks have made an imediate impact, they know who and what will be best for this team, and if they feel he is one of the people we will trade down to get him.

D-ReK
04-13-2005, 05:46 AM
We could grab David Pollack and Anttaj Hawthorne with our #1s.

Looks like we may very well be able to get Hawthorne with our 2nd or one of our 3rds, though I'm not sure we'd take him after he tested positive for marijuana (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2005/drugtests.htm) at the combine...


PFW has learned that four players have tested positive for marijuana use, including one potential first-round pick. DT Antaaj Hawthorne was one of two Wisconsin players, along with OG Jonathan Clinkscale, to have tested positive for the drug at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis in late February.

Hawthorne, whom scouts have graded anywhere from the first to fourth round, could be the most adversely affected by the results. One of the biggest knocks on Hawthorne is that he plays lazy, takes snaps off and does not give great effort on every down, despite his natural physical talent. The test results could give scouts a reason to explain his effort.

uhcougar08
04-13-2005, 07:19 AM
If the Texans stay at 13, which I don't think they will, David Pollack sounds like a player that could fit in perfect at OLB rushing the passer, and with his heart and attitude it could spiral him into a leadership roll in the future.

I am a Marine stationed in Japan with a similar situation. We got a new guy who was raw but with talents. We threw him in some situations that winners just find a way to win. Guess what, he won, and won the respect from the others. He has turned into one of our finest leaders, and still works with guys who have been around longer than him. They respect the hell out of him.

My point is, we need OLB help, this guy is a fireplug, and a natural born leader from every article I have read. From my own personal experiences, his attributes could set a fire into this defense that other teams may fear.

He is my BPA at 13, if the draft goes as everyone seems to think it is.

DocBar
04-21-2005, 10:29 PM
Been hearing that the Texans might like David Pollack, DE Goergia. He has good stats. What do y'all think?

TigerBait
04-21-2005, 10:31 PM
Been hearing that the Texans might like David Pollack, DE Goergia. He has good stats. What do y'all think?
I saw that the ESPN draft "experts", or at least one of them in the mock draft, picked David Pollack for the Texans. Humerously not only was Demarcus Ware available at 13, so was Mike Williams, Carnell Williams and Adam Jones. Shows you the qaulity of thier little mock.

WWJD
04-21-2005, 10:33 PM
I've seen a few of his college games and he's very good...I'm not sure how that translates to the pro game but he was outstanding in college. Always around the ball and he seems to have leadership qualities. He'll be a very nice pick for some team.

DocBar
04-21-2005, 10:37 PM
I saw that the ESPN draft "experts", or at least one of them in the mock draft, picked David Pollack for the Texans. Humerously not only was Demarcus Ware available at 13, so was Mike Williams, Carnell Williams and Adam Jones. Shows you the qaulity of thier little mock.
I was thinking along those same lines. I think we're out of the matkey for a CB though. LOL I just looked at that draft and HMMMMM. These guys are smoking drugs!! I would hope we would at least take BPA. Mark Clayton and Erasmus Jones should rank well ahead of Pollack, IMO.

Grid
04-21-2005, 10:45 PM
Carnell Williams was gone.

They werent High on Pac Man or Williams.. so its not surprising that both of them slid.

F-minus67
04-21-2005, 10:52 PM
I would love to get this guy, he was one of the most exciting players in all of college football thru out his career. I think that he would become the leader of the d in his first year. I mean just watching him when he did that interview for the ESPN draft special, you can tell he has a love for the game and is full of energy.