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StarStruck
06-25-2010, 12:03 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5327381
Giants draft pick Jones seriously injured in auto accident

New York Giants rookie safety Chad Jones was involved in a car accident on Friday morning in New Orleans, according to multiple reports from Louisiana.

According to New Orleans' CBS affiliate WWL-TV, Jones, 21, suffered "a fractured left leg and had arteries and nerves exposed." The station reports that Jones was listed in critical condition and was in surgery at 10:15 a.m. The accident has been reported to have occurred between 5 a.m. and 6 a.m.

Jones' father, Alfred Jones, confirmed his son was hurt but was alert when paramedics took him to the emergency room, according to the station.

I hope this turns out better than it sounds. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

drewmar74
06-25-2010, 12:06 PM
PFT (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/) is reporting that, at this point, they're trying to save the leg.

He was a heck of a player and I enjoyed watching him in college.... praying for that leg now. Screw football, just let him walk normally.

JB
06-25-2010, 12:16 PM
This is tragic!

A photo of the car:

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1bb8f8b



http://tweetphoto.com/29069195

Section516
06-25-2010, 12:24 PM
http://www.wwltv.com/

Video of him being pulled from vehicle.

Also, this guy was at one time drafted by the Astros.

StarStruck
06-25-2010, 12:30 PM
http://www.wdsu.com/news/24039069/detail.html#

Video of him being pulled from vehicle.

Also, this guy was at one time drafted by the Astros.

OMG! That picture makes me wonder how he even came out alive.

JB
06-25-2010, 12:30 PM
http://www.wdsu.com/news/24039069/detail.html#

Video of him being pulled from vehicle.

Also, this guy was at one time drafted by the Astros.

Where is the video?

Section516
06-25-2010, 12:32 PM
Where is the video?

****. Wrong link. http://www.wwltv.com/

Dutchrudder
06-25-2010, 12:42 PM
He was a third round pick in case anyone was wondering.

gary
06-25-2010, 12:43 PM
Best wishes to him. Football or not I hope he just makes it out alright.

BIG TORO
06-25-2010, 12:55 PM
Damn, that really sucks for him! Im sure all giants fans are upset right now as well. I hope his leg recovers well.

WWJD
06-25-2010, 02:15 PM
What a horrific scene. I hope and pray that young man recovers. Very sad.

drs23
06-26-2010, 10:08 AM
This is truely sad. A promising career over before he had a chance to play a snap in the NFL? In one of the first reports the Drs. were concerned about saving his leg now appears they were able to restore proper blood flow to the ankle. Anyone with a medical background able to give us a educated guess as to whether he'll play again with this little information?

Kulluminatii
06-26-2010, 11:03 AM
This is tragic!

A photo of the car:

http://tweetphoto.com/29069195

Here is an even bigger photo...I'm surprised he's still alive.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2526/img9815k.jpg

However, this post from another forum (http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/66509-LSU-Chad-Jones-in-critical-condition?p=1847425&viewfull=1#post1847425) sums up my views on this matter fairly well...

How the **** are you going that ****ing fast in the middle of town to trash that ****ing vehicle that ****ing bad at 6 in the ****ing morning?

If he'd mowed some ese like Donte Stallworth did, or killed someone's precious little angel, people would be singing a whole different ****ing tune.

Seriously, it's all ****ing tragic and ******, but someone tell me how you wreck a car that ****ing bad if you're driving responsibly in what is obviously an urban environment...at six in the ****ing morning....

If homeboy was just some N'Awlins slinger, there'd be 100 posts talking about how Darwin was right. Why is it ****ing tragic because the guy played college football?

:kitten:

awtysst
06-26-2010, 12:33 PM
There is certainly more to this story than meets the eye. I fear alcohol played a role in this case.

Porky
06-26-2010, 12:47 PM
Sorry, not feeling the love. I'm just glad he didn't mow down someone's baby in the process of acting like a self-indulgent primadonna. Seriousely, how fast do you have to be driving to get in a wreck that looks like that? If you play with matches, don't be surprised when you get burned. I do hope he keeps his leg, but I could care less if he ever plays football again. Let's hope he learned a lesson.

infantrycak
06-26-2010, 01:25 PM
Maybe people should get off their high horses and wait until the facts come out. The truck rolled.

The Associated Press writes that Jones' accident was caused when he turned his wheel quickly trying to get off the streetcar tracks.

Newsday, meanwhile, reported that NOPD does not believe alcohol or drugs are involved, although toxicology tests will be performed.

From PFT.com.

I've seen many people on bikes and motorcycles go down on rails. People that feel all safe in SUV's should take this to heart. They suck at evasive maneuvers. Sounds like he overreacted and flipped.

StarStruck
06-26-2010, 02:38 PM
Maybe people should get off their high horses and wait until the facts come out. The truck rolled.



From PFT.com.

I've seen many people on bikes and motorcycles go down on rails. People that feel all safe in SUV's should take this to heart. They suck at evasive maneuvers. Sounds like he overreacted and flipped.


I had a SUV a number of years ago and seem to recall a warning on the visor about sudden turns could cause a rollover, or something to that effect.

Also, I thought that you don't really have to be going too fast if a moving object hits one that is firmly planted.

It is unfortunate that the crash happened, and I hope that dispite such a horrific injury he has a full recovery.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2010, 02:47 PM
This is truely sad. A promising career over before he had a chance to play a snap in the NFL? In one of the first reports the Drs. were concerned about saving his leg now appears they were able to restore proper blood flow to the ankle. Anyone with a medical background able to give us a educated guess as to whether he'll play again with this little information?

From the partial descriptions of the injuries available and the appearance of the car, I would say that he sustained a crush subtotal amputation of the lower leg. I've taken care of many.........and it would be a terrible injury.

In many cases, due to the crush nature of the accident, the damaged segment of nerves, arteries and veins require removal since these segments commonly do not survive if they are hooked back together (That would mean that the hook up would disrupt and leak or clot.....either way precluding needed blood supply to the more distant portions of the leg.). If the segments requiring hook up cannot be pulled together without undue tension on the repair, nerve and/or vascular grafts must be interposed to bridge the areas to reinstitute continuity (blood flow, etc.). However now you have two seams to worry about leaking or clotting. In addition, some tissues that appear undamaged can later demarcate themselves as damaged and can create delayed failure. Crushed muscle can also commonly later die and scarify.

Crush injuries do not usually result in clean individual bone breaks.........more like dropping a large glass and trying to piece it back together. Re-establishing initial blood flow is a commendable feat, but is not assurance that amputation will not be necessary later down the line.

If the leg does survive, he will have many obstacles and challenges to his recover, which can be expected to be measured in years. Will the remaining muscle anatomy allow full return of function? Will his motor nerves regenerate even though reattached? In fact, will his sensory nerves even regenerate? (As in some severe diabetics, there is permanent loss of feeling in the lower leg and feet..........they can't perceive where their leg/foot is in relationship to space, and they cannot feel when they injure themselves, leaving them forever high risk for injury and infections.)

Hopefully later, but right now, the last thing he needs to be thinking about is returning to football. There are too many phases that he must overcome now..............all of these things contemporarily incompatible with playing sports of any type. This young man will need a great deal of support and prayer........while he puts forth a great deal of effort while maintaining a great deal of patience.

Carr Bombed
06-26-2010, 02:53 PM
His football career is over.......he needs to just try to get that leg healthy where he can atleast stand on a mound, because he still has that arm.

StarStruck
06-26-2010, 03:04 PM
Thanks CND. I was hoping for the best but prepared for the worst case possible. A few years ago, a friend and an individual she was standing along side sustained a crush between two cars when an intoxicated person rear ended one of their cars. The second individual did require an amputation, and my friend's leg was saved, but she spent a long time in the hospital, and even longer in rehab. Her leg was severely disfigured and she sustained a permanent limp.

I read that Jones had signed his contract last week, and aside from perhaps some portion being guaranteed, I wonder if there was any insurance in force to cover AD&D or those career type insurance protections that many entertainers purchase.

GP
06-26-2010, 04:48 PM
That SUV looks like it was ran through a giant shredder.

I hate being a bystander gawking at the scene. But here I am anyways.

No matter who the person is, you just hope they (a) didn't hurt anyone else, (b) have some semblance of a normal life afterwards, and (c) that this changes a decision-making mechanism if one was faulty before the crash.

CloakNNNdagger
06-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Maybe people should get off their high horses and wait until the facts come out. The truck rolled.



From PFT.com.

I've seen many people on bikes and motorcycles go down on rails. People that feel all safe in SUV's should take this to heart. They suck at evasive maneuvers. Sounds like he overreacted and flipped.

I agree with holding off until the facts come out.

Being very familiar with New Orleans, I can tell you that they have installed a very extensive and sophisticated system of safety traffic cameras, several on Carrolton Avenue near Canal street. There is a good chance that one of these cameras will have picked the car up. This could answer some outstanding questions. By the way, camera enforced streets uniformly have 35 mph speed limits (unless they are schools zone....then 25 mph). The damage apparent in those pictures, car roll or not, would not seem, at least on face, to be consistent with a 35 mph speed.

EDIT: Looking over the available articles, all based on the AP article, the author uses the phrase "then rolled into a pole." This may very well be a poor and ambiguous use of words not referring to a true "rollover."

Wolf
06-27-2010, 02:48 PM
BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - Chad Jones's agent Rocky Arceneaux says it is too early to determine whether Jones's injuries are career-threatening, but the former LSU football and baseball player is alert and improving after suffering serious injuries in a car crash Friday in New Orleans.

Jones, who was recently drafted by the New York Giants, had multiple fractures in his left leg, including shattering both his tibia and fibula, and had arteries and nerves exposed. Jones did not suffer any serious internal injuries, and the main artery in his leg was not severed. He was in surgery most of the day Friday.

His father, Al Jones, Sr., said the procedure was successful, and the healing process can now begin. In fact, Jones said his son called him and his wife at 3 a.m. Saturday morning because he was bored in his hospital room and wanted to talk.

"Chad got this far. God brought him this far; he's not going to leave him alone," Al Jones, Sr. said on Friday. "No one says anything is over yet. We believe in Chad's strong will and strong mind, and so Chad's going to be alright. One way or the other, Chad's going to be just fine."

Doctors say blood is flowing into Jones's left foot, but they are concerned with keeping his open wounds from getting infected. Jones's dad said that his son's leg will not require amputation.



Jones crashed his SUV near the Home Depot on Carrollton Avenue at Toulouse Street early Friday morning. It appeared as though the SUV was the only vehicle involved in the crash. According to WWL-TV, he slammed into a streetcar pole.


http://www.wafb.com/global/story.asp?s=12715543

GP
06-29-2010, 10:51 PM
Update on story:
(http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5339494)
New Orleans Police Department officer Shereese Harper confirmed that alcohol does not appear to be a factor in Jones' car wreck last Friday. Police did not issue toxicology tests -- as previously reported -- which Harper said typically is done when a person is deceased. She said that a breathalyzer could not be administered because Jones had to be rushed to the hospital and a blood test wasn't taken because Jones was in surgery when officers arrived to the hospital.

"When the officer was interviewing the other two individuals that were in the car at the time, there was no reason to believe that alcohol was involved," Harper said by telephone on Tuesday. "They did not smell alcohol. Everything checked out OK. It is undetermined why he lost control of the vehicle and struck the pole."

Jones lost control of his Range Rover reportedly because he was trying to get off streetcar tracks on the road. Jones was cited with careless operation of a vehicle and police are still investigating the accident.

Still trying to figure out how the SUV was THAT shredded without going really really fast. It says he hit a pole. That's gotta' be a high rate of speed to shatter that SUV that badly, right?

StarStruck
06-30-2010, 12:20 AM
Update on story:
(http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5339494)


Still trying to figure out how the SUV was THAT shredded without going really really fast. It says he hit a pole. That's gotta' be a high rate of speed to shatter that SUV that badly, right?



I don't know and need to check crash speed expectations. My initial thought was if I were driving 35 to 40 miles per hour and hit a pole, tree or similar unmovable object that I would be at a severe disadvantage in that type of encounter. However, most of the time when reading about cars being split high speed did factor in.

I was thinking along the lines of how much damage my car sustained when the other driver ran a red light. He wasn't driving that fast, but the damage was significant and we were both moving.

GP
06-30-2010, 12:28 AM
I don't know and need to check crash speed expectations. My initial thought was if I were driving 34 to 40 miles per hour and hit a pole, tree or similar unmovable object that I would be at a severe disadvantage in that type of encounter.

Look at the SPREAD of damage there. Think about it: It's a pole.

Poles are not extremely wide. That photo looks like his SUV was scraped against a giant cheese grader: Against something wide, and very stable, and at a very high rate of speed.

Maybe I'm just not the guy to be commenting on this. CND helps us with injury descriptions. Where is our traffic accident person on here? Because that photo doesn't look like hitting a pole at 30-40 mph.

Things just aren't adding up. I trust the reports that he wasn't high/drunk. I just don't think he was waltzing along at a slow rate of speed. And I also have doubts about it being a pole.

Maybe the pole is a series of poles with steel cable running through it (like a "fence" or barricade to separate opposite flows of traffic). It had to be a pretty substantial structure in order to do that type of damage. Had to.

StarStruck
06-30-2010, 12:49 AM
I will be interested in reading the final report as well as anything that CND shares. Was it a pole, how fast, was the crash the result of a rollover, and how fast? I went back and edited my post after thinking about a crash that I was involved. It just seem that sometimes it doesn't take much to total out a car, moving or hitting something stationary.

CloakNNNdagger
06-30-2010, 08:31 AM
I will be interested in reading the final report as well as anything that CND shares. Was it a pole, how fast, was the crash the result of a rollover, and how fast? I went back and edited my post after thinking about a crash that I was involved. It just seem that sometimes it doesn't take much to total out a car, moving or hitting something stationary.

Coincidentally, having been a part of Louisiana forensic law enforcement for a period of time, it brings back some memories. It also affords some "contacts." I'll just throw some of these facts out. It happened at N. Carrolton and Toulouse, a residential area. (GOOGLE MAP (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=toulouse+and+carrollton+new+orleans&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=N+Carrollton+Ave+%26+Toulouse+St,+New+Orlean s,+LA+70119&gl=us&ei=UTYrTI-_HYP7nAfHpM2wDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA) for you to visualize area [use the satellite view and bring it in to full zoom]) You can see that the concrete reinforcements are not the huge bulky tall anchors, but simply a 2" elevation. The tracks which in New Orleans are pretty benign are in the left of 3 lanes. Most people do not drive on the track lane except during traffic times. Just like in Houston with the trams, unless you intend to turn left. The accident occurred at 6 a.m. with very light traffic. There is a 6" curb right next to the pole. The jaws of life were used to extricate Jones. Most people think they spread and destroy a car. They actually cut pretty cleanly and produce quite localized additional damage. The SUV was a Range Rover. It did not rollover. It hit the pole on the left head light and strafed the left side of the car, spinning the car around to its final position, one facing the pole from essentially the opposite direction. Beyond this, at this time, I am bound to leave "conclusions" up to you.

CloakNNNdagger
07-04-2010, 10:53 AM
With "several" surgeries to go, no prognosis for Chad Jones (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/04/with-several-surgeries-to-go-no-prognosis-for-chad-jones/)


Al Jones isn't thinking about whether his son Chad will ever play football again. He's got bigger issues in mind.


"Nobody's rushing anything," Jones told the New Orleans-Times Picayune. "And we're not worried about whether or not Chad can play right now. The life and health of my son is my concern, not his contract. I know he's in good hands."

The reality: No one knows yet what lies ahead in Jones' recovery, even the New York specialists that now are taking care of him after a transfer from Louisiana.

Dr. Russell Warren, the surgeon-in-chief at the Hospital for Special Surgery, says Jones will undergo additional neurological, vascular, plastic, and orthopedic surgery over the next several weeks.

"Since he will undergo several additional procedures over the next few weeks, no prognosis has been given," Warren said.

Jones underwent surgery on Saturday and has another one planned for Tuesday, to replace skin on his leg. We wish the Jones family all the best on what must be an enormously difficult holiday weekend, away from home.

"Nobody has said whether Chad will play again or not," Al Jones said. "We're not even asking that question right now."

drs23
07-04-2010, 03:33 PM
With "several" surgeries to go, no prognosis for Chad Jones (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/04/with-several-surgeries-to-go-no-prognosis-for-chad-jones/)

Thanks for the update.

CloakNNNdagger
07-17-2010, 09:19 PM
Chad Jones' one-car wreck remains a mystery (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Chad-Jones-onecar-wreck-remains-a-mystery.html)

The mystery surrounding the single-vehicle crash that has the future of New York Giants rookie safety Chad Jones in questions remains just that, a mystery.

Police have closed an investigation into the incident, according to a report in the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Jones was transported from New Orleans to New York where he will rehabilitate serious injuries to his left leg and ankle.

Two passengers traveling in Jonesí 2010 Range Rover escaped the accident without serious injuries. They told police that they were asleep at the time of the wreck, shortly after 6 a.m. Robert Newman and Michael Mansion told police no one in the party consumed any alcohol prior to the wreck. Jones was not administered a blood alcohol test. Per the report, officer Bianca Delrish did not smell alcohol at the scene.

Jones said he didnít remember what happened before he hit a light pole on North Carrolton. The speed limit is 35 mph and there were no skid marks at the scene where his vehicle, which did not have a license plate, was totaled. Itís impossible to determine how fast Jones was traveling at the time of the accident. He was charged with careless operation of a vehicle.

The Giants did not provide an update on Jonesí medical status.

Just a little screwy. Can't determine speed? The license plate walked home on its own power? No further questions? Sounds like celebrity has something to do with it as well as a feeling that Jones has been punished enough by the nature of his injuries and their implications.

CTWade
07-18-2010, 02:16 PM
Still trying to figure out how the SUV was THAT shredded without going really really fast. It says he hit a pole. That's gotta' be a high rate of speed to shatter that SUV that badly, right?

I don't think you realize how much energy a 3 or 4 ton SUV traveling at 35mph is packing. Easily enough to rip itself apart I am sure. And since modern cars are designed to crumble, they don't rather poorly when they run into things that don't.

A pole that doesn't bend or break is about the last thing you want to run into, since it has such a small surface area. The means all the energy is concentrated into one spot, instead of spread out all over like you want to.

CloakNNNdagger
07-18-2010, 03:01 PM
I don't think you realize how much energy a 3 or 4 ton SUV traveling at 35mph is packing. Easily enough to rip itself apart I am sure. And since modern cars are designed to crumble, they don't rather poorly when they run into things that don't.

A pole that doesn't bend or break is about the last thing you want to run into, since it has such a small surface area. The means all the energy is concentrated into one spot, instead of spread out all over like you want to.

To a certain extent, that is correct. Their body skins don't do so well. However, they are designed to "crumple" the area between the bumpers and in front of the firewall of the "cab." For 35 mph (stnd testing speed) or less crashes, the first "crumple zone," the bumpers, is to be able to sustain the impact without injury to the occupants. Above that speed, measures such as telescoping steering wheel mechanisms and limited engine drop designs are considered the secondary "crumple zone" designed to deflect parts away from the chest and the knees/legs of the driver/front passenger. These secondary measures are to try to increase the chances of surviving a higher speed crash. Of course, all of this is in addition to the airbag system.

When lower limbs are crushed as in the case of Jones, you can take it to the bank he was going much faster than 35 mph. His ticketing for only "careless driving" was mostly a "humane" decision, especially since his passengers suffered to injuries.

ubecool454
07-18-2010, 06:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5327381
Giants draft pick Jones seriously injured in auto accident



I hope this turns out better than it sounds. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Talk about bad luck. I just hope he can snap back and not have lingering problems. I'm not concerned if he can play football...I just hope the guy can live a normal life. Exposed ligaments and all don't sound to good.

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2010, 05:34 PM
Giants to place Jones on reserve (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5421131)

The New York Giants waived rookie safety Chad Jones on Thursday with the intention of placing him on the reserve/non-football injury list.

The team was also awarded defensive end/linebacker Alex Hall off waivers from the Eagles.

Jones was recently released from the Hospital for Special Surgery and went to New Orleans to recuperate. The rookie safety has had several surgical procedures done to his left leg and foot following a car accident on June 25.

Jones will not play this season while he focuses on walking and recovering.

Hall, 24, was a seventh-round pick in 2008 by the Browns, who traded him to the Eagles in April 2010. He has three career sacks, all coming in 2008.

GP
07-29-2010, 06:00 PM
I don't think you realize how much energy a 3 or 4 ton SUV traveling at 35mph is packing. Easily enough to rip itself apart I am sure. And since modern cars are designed to crumble, they don't rather poorly when they run into things that don't.

A pole that doesn't bend or break is about the last thing you want to run into, since it has such a small surface area. The means all the energy is concentrated into one spot, instead of spread out all over like you want to.

Well, next time you're out in your car...put the cruise control on 35 mph. Then, as you're driving, ask yourself if you think your car would look like his if you had a wreck at 35 mph (even without braking).

That SUV was not going 35 mph, IMO. Just my two cents.

CloakNNNdagger
07-29-2010, 07:43 PM
To a certain extent, that is correct. Their body skins don't do so well. However, they are designed to "crumple" the area between the bumpers and in front of the firewall of the "cab." For 35 mph (stnd testing speed) or less crashes, the first "crumple zone," the bumpers, is to be able to sustain the impact without injury to the occupants. Above that speed, measures such as telescoping steering wheel mechanisms and limited engine drop designs are considered the secondary "crumple zone" designed to deflect parts away from the chest and the knees/legs of the driver/front passenger. These secondary measures are to try to increase the chances of surviving a higher speed crash. Of course, all of this is in addition to the airbag system.

When lower limbs are crushed as in the case of Jones, you can take it to the bank he was going much faster than 35 mph. His ticketing for only "careless driving" was mostly a "humane" decision, especially since his passengers suffered to injuries.


"to" is a typo........it should read "no" [editing was not allowed this late, evidently]

Maddict5
09-08-2012, 03:57 AM
awesome video on his recovery to date. would be a great story if he does make it back...

http://www.sports790.com/pages/BigSh...ticle=10401672

warning for the squemish- they show pics of his leg after the crash at about 2 min mark and it was absolutely mangled