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dalemurphy
06-24-2010, 01:00 AM
QB: Schaub, Orlovsky
RB: Slaton, Tate, AFoster
FB: Leach
WR: AJ, JJ, KW, DA, AD, T.Holliday(and 4th RB)
TE: OD, Dressen, Casey, Graham
OC/G: Caldwell, W.Smith, CMyers, Briesel, Studdard, S.Smith
OT: DBrown, Winston, Butler, (Wade Smith)

DE: Mario, Barwin, A.Smith, Jamison
DT: Okoye, Cody, Mitchell, Scheppard, Deljuan
LB: Cushing, DRyans, Diles, Sharpton, Bentley, Adibi
CB: Jackson, Reeves, Quin, McCain, Molden, McManis
S: Pollard, EWilson, Barber, Nolan
K: Rackers
P: Turk
LS: Weeks?

*** Bolded players are my prediction for the active roster in week one.

Practice Squad: Jeremiah Johnson, Nick Polk, Dickerson, Pemberton (CSU LT?), a QB tbd, A.Webster (safety), Glen Martinez (if still eligible), Bret Helms (center)


QB We keep a third on P.S. or possibly in place of long snapper, if they are confident in the combo of Dressen/\Casey

RB : I think we go with the three young guys and have Holliday involved enough that he can lineup as a HB in certain situations

WR: I think AD sticks because he plays special teams, is a quality veteran... But, he would be the one guy of the group at risk of being beat out by Glen Martinez if Holliday wins the punt and kick return job

TE: Dressen is a lock because of his experience and versatility and relative good health. Casey and OD will be there unless they have injury issues that keep them on PUP... and, I think Graham is thought too highly of to risk practice squad. Of course, his place on the team will be determined by his ability to contribute on special teams, if Casey and OD are healthy.

Interior OL: Chris White is odd man out. I think Wade Smith's versatility will allow them to keep 6 interior guys because he can slide to tackle, if needed.

T: pretty straight-forward unless they keep a 4th pure tackle. Not sure who that would be at this point.

DE: I think the emergence late last year of Jamison combined with the versatility of some of the DTs will cost Bulman his roster spot. He just isn't the athlete some of these guys are. Tough cut! but a sign that the depth of this team is at a championship level. (all 4 guys are on active roster since ASmith will likely play inside a fair amount)

DT: Youth movement, high motors, and explosive athletes cost Okam and Zgoniga their spots on the roster. With these small and explosive players, I expect Kollar to institute a high substitution rate and keep these guys active/fresh. I would expect 4 guys to dress and play, in addition to ASmith.

LB: I'm not sure if we get a roster exemption for Cushing for his suspension. If so, then Clark probably makes the team also.

CB: I don't see Bennett on this team. I think we can keep 6 CBs since a few of these guys can play some hybrid safety in a pinch: Quin, Molden.... and, most of them are good ST players. Barring injury, Molden makes the team and makes a significant impact on gameday by midseason. It's a better group than we realize!

S: I think we have a couple guys on PS. Barber can play both spots and they seem high on Nolan. My guess is Polk will get stashed on PS.

K: I just don't see how the team can trust Brown going into the season, regardless how well he kicks in preseason. But, I really don't know what to expect. It may come down to whether Rackers can kickoff as well as Brown can. I'm not sure.

LS: I suspect the coaching staff considers that some of the kicking troubles last season may have been a result of using long snappers that are active on offense and other areas of the team... not because they snapped poorly but because of timing issues with the kicker that resulted from less practice time due to their other and primary obligations.

Hardcore Texan
06-24-2010, 09:43 AM
Good list, lots of things to consider. It will be interesting to see how it pans out as we progress through TC.

sometexansfan
06-24-2010, 09:54 AM
Not much confidence in Anthony Hill I guess.

No More 8-8's
06-24-2010, 10:29 AM
Not much confidence in Anthony Hill I guess.
I personally dont think he makes the team this year. And I am not sure that Dreesen has a guarunteed spot on this team either.

HOU-TEX
06-24-2010, 10:46 AM
Not much confidence in Anthony Hill I guess.

My guess would be that he'll be placed on the PUP and possibly IR'd. I don't think he's going to be ready for the start of the season.

I personally dont think he makes the team this year. And I am not sure that Dreesen has a guarunteed spot on this team either.

Hill's going to be on the team. He might not play much, if at all this season due to injury. Other than getting injured, he hasn't done much wrong to deserve getting cut. Heck, he really hasn't even had a chance yet

TimeKiller
06-24-2010, 10:52 AM
Really, the only adjustment I would make is ADavis getting cut. I don't see him bringing something different or having abilities warranting him consuming a valuable roster spot. He's been a timid, unproductive KR guy and we've got the horses to replace him there with Holliday or JJ. I think Dickerson is the selection here because of his upside as a receiver as well as size/speed having an impact on special teams. I think DD would get scooped up off the PS.

Anthony Hill, I could see him going IR or PUP at best to start the season. Pretty damning injury late in the year but still a young enough player to see something of a future from.

Okam has done nothing but show up in half a preseason game against a weak team. I think Mitchell's pick plus if Sheppard continues to impress they fit the athletic mold better of what the FO wants to see at DT. Plus they are likely more motivated to succeed at football. Zgonina, I believe, isn't even on the team. Bulman might beat out Deljuan for the same reasons but DelRob might be the token big guy at the bottom of the chart.

Bentley might be in trouble but Clark is really the one on the bubble. Hell if Adibi shows up to play. Not worried at all about LB, very deep group.

I too think Bennett is done-skies. Shame.

I've heard nothing about Nolan but I'd say he has as much shot as the two UDFA safeties.

No comment on kickers. Don't care who it is as long as the ball is finding the uprights....or finding the space between them....

infantrycak
06-24-2010, 11:01 AM
I don't think they will practice squad Dickerson. He'll stick instead of fan darling Martinez who didn't catch a pass last year and was not a big special teamer.

Yes they get an extra roster spot for Cushing.

HOU-TEX
06-24-2010, 11:04 AM
Really, the only adjustment I would make is ADavis getting cut. I don't see him bringing something different or having abilities warranting him consuming a valuable roster spot. He's been a timid, unproductive KR guy and we've got the horses to replace him there with Holliday or JJ. I think Dickerson is the selection here because of his upside as a receiver as well as size/speed having an impact on special teams. I think DD would get scooped up off the PS.

Anthony Hill, I could see him going IR or PUP at best to start the season. Pretty damning injury late in the year but still a young enough player to see something of a future from.

Okam has done nothing but show up in half a preseason game against a weak team. I think Mitchell's pick plus if Sheppard continues to impress they fit the athletic mold better of what the FO wants to see at DT. Plus they are likely more motivated to succeed at football. Zgonina, I believe, isn't even on the team. Bulman might beat out Deljuan for the same reasons but DelRob might be the token big guy at the bottom of the chart.

Bentley might be in trouble but Clark is really the one on the bubble. Hell if Adibi shows up to play. Not worried at all about LB, very deep group.

I too think Bennett is done-skies. Shame.

I've heard nothing about Nolan but I'd say he has as much shot as the two UDFA safeties.

No comment on kickers. Don't care who it is as long as the ball is finding the uprights....or finding the space between them....

I agree that AD should be on the bubble.

Okam, Bulman and Deljuan.....meh, let the best one stay and cut the others. They haven't contributed much in a while. Deljuan had a decent game or two 2 years ago. Bulman wasn't much of a factor last season. Okam is just wasting a prototypical DT body. If I had to choose one, I suppose it'd be Deljuan. That should make his 2 fans happy at least.

I think Bentley adds too much on special teams. It'll be interesting when Cushing comes back.

Nolan has gotten a little praise during OTA's. Plus, I don't see much to compete against after Pollard and Wilson. Maybe Barber

I share your feelings on the kicker situation.

Section516
06-24-2010, 11:15 AM
I personally don't think he makes the team this year. And I am not sure that Dreesen has a guaranteed spot on this team either.

Dressen will because if OD comes back and re-injures, or comes back as a shell of his self, we need a veteran player who is not too shabby in this system.

buddyboy
06-24-2010, 11:25 AM
I don't think they will practice squad Dickerson. He'll stick instead of fan darling Martinez who didn't catch a pass last year and was not a big special teamer.

Yes they get an extra roster spot for Cushing.

I agree, I really hope Dickerson doesn't make it past waivers, I have a feeling some team with a need at WR or TE will take a chance on him.

TimeKiller
06-24-2010, 01:07 PM
I agree that AD should be on the bubble.
I just don't see his impact, let alone the positive portion of it...

Okam, Bulman and Deljuan.....meh, let the best one stay and cut the others. They haven't contributed much in a while. Deljuan had a decent game or two 2 years ago. Bulman wasn't much of a factor last season. Okam is just wasting a prototypical DT body. If I had to choose one, I suppose it'd be Deljuan. That should make his 2 fans happy at least.
pfft haha...

The only thing about cutting Bulman is when he was given a chance he showed he had it. But that was before Antonio Smith was signed and had it, also before Barwin was drafted and had it. The DT/DE tweener thing we love so much and his one season of decency give him something of an argument, more than the other 2 anyway...

HOU-TEX
06-24-2010, 01:20 PM
I just don't see his impact, let alone the positive portion of it...

pfft haha...

The only thing about cutting Bulman is when he was given a chance he showed he had it. But that was before Antonio Smith was signed and had it, also before Barwin was drafted and had it. The DT/DE tweener thing we love so much and his one season of decency give him something of an argument, more than the other 2 anyway...

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say AD has zero impact. He's pretty good on STs. He seems to be the 1st to arrive at the returner on punts most of the time. As a WR, he just doesn't seem to show his speed running routes. Maybe it's just me, but his routes seem......well..blah

Lucky
06-24-2010, 10:17 PM
DE: I think the emergence late last year of Jamison...
In what way did Jamison emerge??? He had 52 snaps and 2 tackles. Not that the Texans got much from Bulman. Or Deljuan Robinson, for that matter. Not that they've been needed much, as guys like Mario, Antonio Smith, and Amobi play so many snaps.

Some of my thoughts:

QB: Has Orlovsky shown enough in mini camps to avoid training camp competition? I'd still like to see the Texans acquire a vet to compete with Dan O.

WR: Barring an injury, I can't see Andre Davis making the team. Though I would keep him over the limited David Anderson.

LB: Danny Clark makes the team, and probably is the opening day starting SAM.

S: Every year, the Texans find a safety off the waiver wire. I think it happens again, and the Texans keep 5.

Special Teams: Yes to Holliday, Rackers, and long snapper.

dalemurphy
06-24-2010, 10:42 PM
In what way did Jamison emerge??? He had 52 snaps and 2 tackles. .

last year Jamison went from the PS squad to the 53 man roster, to the active roster, and eventually was playing meaningful snaps in meaningful games. Among those 52 snaps, he had some QB hits and pressures. I'm predicting the 53 man roster, not the All-Pro team.. and, Jamison was stealing snaps from Bulman late in the year.

regarding SAM LB, in a fair competition, I believe Bentley wins... I don't see Clark on the team unless we carry 7 LBs or there is an injury

Insideop
06-25-2010, 03:54 AM
Anthony Hill, I could see him going IR or PUP at best to start the season. Pretty damning injury late in the year but still a young enough player to see something of a future from.

Has anyone heard anything on Hill's recovery/rehab this off season? Was he out of OTA's? I've been out of the country for awhile (5 weeks/returned 6-16) and haven't been able to keep up as much as I wanted.

barrett
06-25-2010, 12:44 PM
As far as I can remember he has not participated in any team activities. His ACL injury was late in the year and typically rehab on something like that is pretty lengthy.

IDEXAN
06-26-2010, 08:00 AM
In what way did Jamison emerge??? He had 52 snaps and 2 tackles. Not that the Texans got much from Bulman. Or Deljuan Robinson, for that matter. Not that they've been needed much, as guys like Mario, Antonio Smith, and Amobi play so many snaps.

Maybe Amobis extensive time on the field might really tell you how little
those other guys contributed (or were given the opportunity to contribute),
given how unsatisfactory Amobis play often was ?
But I've already got real high expectations for this years new crop of one-gappers, 3rd round pick Mitchell & the Sheppard kid.

infantrycak
06-26-2010, 09:22 AM
Maybe Amobis extensive time on the field might really tell you how little
those other guys contributed (or were given the opportunity to contribute),
given how unsatisfactory Amobis play often was ?
But I've already got real high expectations for this years new crop of one-gappers, 3rd round pick Mitchell & the Sheppard kid.

Was Amobi's play really that unsatisfactory? He was one of the top guys in the league (#4) at QB pressures and played on a D that over the last 13 games was #3 in rush D.

beerlover
06-26-2010, 11:11 AM
Was Amobi's play really that unsatisfactory? He was one of the top guys in the league (#4) at QB pressures and played on a D that over the last 13 games was #3 in rush D.

cak - what do you expect the front four to look like opening day? when they rotate players in 3rd down situations who gets the call? other than Mario (monster RDE) is there going to be a smaller DL in the NFL than the Texans?

infantrycak
06-26-2010, 12:06 PM
cak - what do you expect the front four to look like opening day? when they rotate players in 3rd down situations who gets the call? other than Mario (monster RDE) is there going to be a smaller DL in the NFL than the Texans?

The Colts have been running a small DL for years. Mario is huge compared to either of their DE's and even Barwin is as big as either of their DE's and we consider him situational only. In fact our DE's are big for the league. I think what we have is very interesting. Instead of 330 lbs interior and 260 lbs outside we have 290 lbs across the board. Athleticism across the board. On third I expect Smith to move in next to Omobi and Barwin to come in at DE. That could change if any of the rookies shines bright.

IDEXAN
06-26-2010, 12:14 PM
Was Amobi's play really that unsatisfactory? He was one of the top guys in the league (#4) at QB pressures and played on a D that over the last 13 games was #3 in rush D.

If you don't think Amobi has fallen short of expectations given where he was drafted, then you're just about the only one I know of who takes that view.
The Texans brain-trust obviously is unhappy with him, that's why we're hearing all of the hype about the 2 rook DTs (so 'n so is gonna take somebodys lunch if they aren't careful, or words to that effect is what I recall Kubiak saying the other day about one of the rook DTs).

infantrycak
06-26-2010, 12:31 PM
If you don't think Amobi has fallen short of expectations given where he was drafted, then you're just about the only one I know of who takes that view.
The Texans brain-trust obviously is unhappy with him, that's why we're hearing all of the hype about the 2 rook DTs (so 'n so is gonna take somebodys lunch if they aren't careful, or words to that effect is what I recall Kubiak saying the other day about one of the rook DTs).

Did I call him a star? No I responded to the assertion his play is unsatisfactory. I don't give a crap where a player got drafted I look at how he plays. Amobi played well last year as demonstrated by his pressures up the middle (something the Texans have been sorely lacking previously) and the overall run D that developed. This year will be interesting to see if the pressures turn back into sacks with a little more quickness due to the lower weight without hopefully any drop off in the run game. I like a fast active D so he fits well to me. But hey, I grew up watching Randy White playing DT at 260 lbs after having been tried at LB. He only made the hall of fame.

IDEXAN
06-26-2010, 12:55 PM
Did I call him a star? No I responded to the assertion his play is unsatisfactory. I don't give a crap where a player got drafted I look at how he plays. Amobi played well last year as demonstrated by his pressures up the middle (something the Texans have been sorely lacking previously) and the overall run D that developed. This year will be interesting to see if the pressures turn back into sacks with a little more quickness due to the lower weight without hopefully any drop off in the run game. I like a fast active D so he fits well to me. But hey, I grew up watching Randy White playing DT at 260 lbs after having been tried at LB. He only made the hall of fame.

You may not "give a crap" where a player was drafted or whether or not he deserves the star label, but if you're serious about accurately assessing a players value to his team, it behooves you to pay attention to what that teams HC thinks of said player. So FYI - Kubiak clearly ain't that satisfyied with Okoye.
Re Randy White and other small but quick interior DLineman, that works just fine if you're a front-runner (see Payton Manning/Indy Colts for reference),
but if the opponent has the lead, they are gonna run the ball all over your little narrow-azzed DTs.

infantrycak
06-26-2010, 01:11 PM
You may not "give a crap" where a player was drafted or whether or not he deserves the star label, but if you're serious about accurately assessing a players value to his team, it behooves you to pay attention to what that teams HC thinks of said player. So FYI - Kubiak clearly ain't that satisfyied with Okoye.
Re Randy White and other small but quick interior DLineman, that works just fine if you're a front-runner (see Payton Manning/Indy Colts for reference),
but if the opponent has the lead, they are gonna run the ball all over your little narrow-azzed DTs.

Show me where Kubiak has said anything indicating Okoye is in jeopardy of losing his starting job.

CloakNNNdagger
06-26-2010, 01:47 PM
I'm on the fence with Okoye as things stand now. Cushing, I believe, was a factor in Okoye's apparent improvement last year, especially in the rush D. I think I even remember Kubiak commenting in some way about that. This year, at least at the beginning, it will be interesting to see if he can hold his own without Cushing collecting major attention.

IDEXAN
06-26-2010, 01:59 PM
Show me where Kubiak has said anything indicating Okoye is in jeopardy of losing his starting job.
Show me where Kubiak has said anything indicating Okoye is guaranteed of retaining his starting job.

IDEXAN
06-26-2010, 02:02 PM
I'm on the fence with Okoye as things stand now. Cushing, I believe, was a factor in Okoye's apparent improvement last year, especially in the rush D. I think I even remember Kubiak commenting in some way about that. This year, at least at the beginning, it will be interesting to see if he can hold his own without Cushing collecting major attention.
Cloak, what are you expecting from Cushing when he returns to the Texans
lineup after his suspension ? Are you optimistic ?

Lucky
06-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Was Amobi's play really that unsatisfactory? He was one of the top guys in the league (#4) at QB pressures...
Is this an official stat? Was it generated from Stats, Inc. or a fan site?

Early in the '09 season, Okoye was getting blown off the ball. I think the new DL coach, Bill Kollar, helped his development. Still, I think the jury is out. And while maybe Okoye shouldn't be judged by his draft position, the guys who drafted him @ #10 should be.

infantrycak
06-26-2010, 05:37 PM
Is this an official stat? Was it generated from Stats, Inc. or a fan site?

Early in the '09 season, Okoye was getting blown off the ball. I think the new DL coach, Bill Kollar, helped his development. Still, I think the jury is out. And while maybe Okoye shouldn't be judged by his draft position, the guys who drafted him @ #10 should be.

I'm not claiming Okoye is the bomb or anything but I do believe he is a solid DT. The stat comes from profootballfocus which frankly I doubt at times but it matches my visual perception that he was often penetrating last year. So was Smith. They were just shy a bunch of times, but just shy still makes the QB play differently than no pressure at all.

thunderkyss
06-26-2010, 07:37 PM
You may not "give a crap" where a player was drafted or whether or not he deserves the star label, but if you're serious about accurately assessing a players value to his team, it behooves you to pay attention to what that teams HC thinks of said player. So FYI - Kubiak clearly ain't that satisfyied with Okoye.
Re Randy White and other small but quick interior DLineman, that works just fine if you're a front-runner (see Payton Manning/Indy Colts for reference),
but if the opponent has the lead, they are gonna run the ball all over your little narrow-azzed DTs.

I believe, if Kubiak was not satisfied with the production he was getting from Amobi, Amobi would have played as little, as Adibi, Andre Davis, Del Juan Robinson, or Frank Okam.

I understand with the size of Mitchell & Sheppard, people are thinking it is Amobi who is in trouble.

I think Mitchell & Sheppard were drafted to strengthen our rotations, which may include a little push to Amobi & Cody & Smith & Barwin... not threatening any starter positions, but pushing all the same.

Antonio Smith, IMO, is a monster. Mario... beast.

But they are playing way too many snaps. Hopefully, Mitchell will allow Anotnio to actually take a break every now and then, & keep him fresh for the 4th Qtr, when the game is on the line.

If Sheppard can play outside, as well as in... that will be even better, helping with the Mario/Bullman rotation.

So, if these guys pan out, I do believe Amobi will be seeing less snaps, so will Antonio, & so will Mario... but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

b0ng
06-26-2010, 08:26 PM
I believe, if Kubiak was not satisfied with the production he was getting from Amobi, Amobi would have played as little, as Okoye, Adibi, Andre Davis, Del Juan Robinson, or Frank Okam.

You do realize that Amobi's last name is Okoye right?


As far as the rest I think that it's fair to say if the coach isn't saying there's an open competition along any D-line spots, and instead is saying that draft picks, UDFA's are "pushing" other players then you have to think that as of right now if nobody surprises in TC then the starters will retain their jobs.

EDIT: 10,000 posts, congrats. . . and you need other hobbies lol.

TimeKiller
06-26-2010, 09:22 PM
Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say AD has zero impact. He's pretty good on STs. He seems to be the 1st to arrive at the returner on punts most of the time. As a WR, he just doesn't seem to show his speed running routes. Maybe it's just me, but his routes seem......well..blah

I respectfully disagree. I can catch a kickoff, run to the 20 and get hit by the first guy down every single time too, that's not special. There are plenty of names to throw out there at KR and as a gunner there are even more. His speed is replaceable on this roster, we've got speed all over the place. I think Kub's barking at Holliday for "no specialists" is damning of AD as well. If he's getting reps at WR something is wrong.

As for the DL it should be plenty interesting. Mario is the big dog here, gonna take the alpha male amount of snaps. Smith is his running buddy and should be in on most plays, only breaking here and there for an extra breath. Okoye, unless he's lighting 'em up should be rotating a lot but still getting plenty of snaps. Barwin is still likely to be a situational/pass heavy guy but the mix of Mitchell/Sheppard/Bulman/Robinson/Cody for playing time is one of fantastic in-house competition.

Texan4Ever
06-27-2010, 04:12 PM
It's clear to me that the Texans want DTs with speed and not the big beefy guys, I just want our defensive line to get pressure on the QB and get some sacks. If we can do that much, it takes pressure off of the DBs so they can make some INTs.

As for our linebackers, we're set and I'd like to see them blitz more often (which we are) and try to get some sacks. All in all, if our defense continues to improve and our offense can balance the passing game with the running game we should have no problem making it to the playoffs.

So, just do your job and the rest well take care of itself...

thunderkyss
06-27-2010, 06:07 PM
EDIT: 10,000 posts, congrats. . . and you need other hobbies lol.

Thankyou, but 10,000 posts & only 650 on the rep... maybe I need to start tot'n the company line.
It's clear to me that the Texans want DTs with speed and not the big beefy guys, I just want our defensive line to get pressure on the QB and get some sacks. If we can do that much, it takes pressure off of the DBs so they can make some INTs.


I think, we've done about all we can do on the DL. It's time for the back 7 to start contributing. I want to hear the commentators say, "that was a coverage sack" because right now.. for the last 4 years.. I haven't heard it once.

As for our linebackers, we're set and I'd like to see them blitz more often (which we are) and try to get some sacks. All in all, if our defense continues to improve and our offense can balance the passing game with the running game we should have no problem making it to the playoffs.

So, just do your job and the rest well take care of itself...

I love our LBs... I like their down-hill play, and if Zack Diles is the worst fo the bunch...

I'm feel'n pretty good.

But, Cush, is the only one, IMO, that understands what a zone is. I love Demeco, but he gets burned as much as Dunta Robinson, and I've yet to see Diles get his hands on the ball.

The LBs have got to get better in under coverage, or Peyton Manning, and every first year QB is going to eat us alive.

dalemurphy
06-27-2010, 06:21 PM
But, Cush, is the only one, IMO, that understands what a zone is. I love Demeco, but he gets burned as much as Dunta Robinson, and I've yet to see Diles get his hands on the ball.

The LBs have got to get better in under coverage, or Peyton Manning, and every first year QB is going to eat us alive.

I heartily agree with your main point here. That being said, I remember Diles picking off D.Clark playing under him very well in the Rosencopter game.

Regarding Demeco, he has looked poor in coverage but I think much of that trouble was a result of the awful defensive scheme- though it is hard to know for sure.

It is my belief that a second year under an NFL-caliber DC will produce better disguise and results, particularly in zone coverage and effective blitzes.

drs23
06-27-2010, 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss
But, Cush, is the only one, IMO, that understands what a zone is. I love Demeco, but he gets burned as much as Dunta Robinson, and I've yet to see Diles get his hands on the ball.

The LBs have got to get better in under coverage, or Peyton Manning, and every first year QB is going to eat us alive.


I heartily agree with your main point here. That being said, I remember Diles picking off D.Clark playing under him very well in the Rosencopter game.

Regarding Demeco, he has looked poor in coverage but I think much of that trouble was a result of the awful defensive scheme- though it is hard to know for sure.

It is my belief that a second year under an NFL-caliber DC will produce better disguise and results, particularly in zone coverage and effective blitzes.

I've wondered about how much of Frank Bush's defense was really implemented last year. Like GK didn't put his full offence in during the first season, does it work that way on defense as well? Since it took 3 weeks to get the hang of what was going on did he just keep it simple and will add new wrinkles this year such as the coverages and blitz packages?

thunderkyss
06-28-2010, 04:32 PM
I've wondered about how much of Frank Bush's defense was really implemented last year. Like GK didn't put his full offence in during the first season, does it work that way on defense as well? Since it took 3 weeks to get the hang of what was going on did he just keep it simple and will add new wrinkles this year such as the coverages and blitz packages?

I'm pretty sure there will be more. Being able to start with 10 starters from last year is probably pretty sweet for Frank Bush.

Norg
06-29-2010, 11:45 PM
all i wanna know wk 1 is who is going to cover Dallas CLark ?????

painekiller
07-01-2010, 12:48 AM
Show me where Kubiak has said anything indicating Okoye is guaranteed of retaining his starting job.

All I saw was Kubiak talking up a couple of rookies, just like he does every year. He rarely talks about veterans during the OTA and mini camps, unless the guys is recovering from injury, IE Slaton or had a sub par season IE Orlovsky the season before.

The media ask Kubiak about those guys and that is why he talks about them. I don't remember Mario being talked about, good or bad. So Kubiak not talking about Okoye is not a valid argument.

IMO Kubiak is trying to light a fire under the depth guys, Robinson, Okam, and Bulman.

My roster predictions:

2 QB Schaub, Orlovsky
3 RB Foster Slaton Tate
1 FB Leach
7 WR Johnson, Walters, Jones, Anderson, Davis, Holiday, Dickerson
3 TE Daniel, Casey, Graham, PUP Hill
3 OT Winston, Brown, Butler
6 OG/OC Meyers, Caldwell, W Smith, Briesel, S Smith, Studdard
25

1 K Brown
1 P Turk
1 LS Weeks
3

4 DE Mario, Barwin, Smith, Jamison,
5 DT Okoye, Cody, Mitchell, Sheppard, Okam ? (My only bubble guy, this could be Robinson)
6 LB Ryans, Diles, Adibi, Bentley, Clark, Sharpton, Roster exemption Cushing
6 CB Jackson, Quin, McCain, Molden, Reeves, McManus
4 S Pollard, Wilson, Nolan, Barber
25

Gone Bennett, White, Dreessen, Bulman, DelJuan Robinson and Glenn Martinez

barrett
07-01-2010, 03:21 AM
Joel was re-signed to a 4 year deal. He dropped a sure TD but other than that...

plus, he's the backup LS.

painekiller
07-01-2010, 01:08 PM
Joel was re-signed to a 4 year deal. He dropped a sure TD but other than that...

plus, he's the backup LS.

Joel was signed to a reported 3 year deal for 3.6 million, that is not a reason to keep him.

We have 4 guys currently that are the same player for the most part, Daniels, Casey, Graham and Dreessen. One of those guys does not have room on the roster, which one do you think?

If ST is that high on the list, Casey is the "QB" of the punting team, being the up man, and he can also snap the ball, plus he is the emergency FB.

Graham was not drafted in the 4th only to be cut. IMO unless they trade Owen, Dreessen is the odd man out IMO.

Hill will start the year on the PUP, IMO, and we are going to have to make room for him at some point, or maybe he goes to the PS.

painekiller
07-01-2010, 01:09 PM
Joel was re-signed to a 4 year deal. He dropped a sure TD but other than that...

plus, he's the backup LS.

Joel was signed to a reported 3 year deal for 3.6 million, that is not a reason to keep him.

We have 4 guys currently that are the same player for the most part, Daniels, Casey, Graham and Dreessen. One of those guys does not have room on the roster, which one do you think?

If ST is that high on the list, Casey is the "QB" of the punting team, being the up man, and he can also snap the ball, plus he is the emergency FB.

Graham was not drafted in the 4th only to be cut. IMO unless they trade Owen, Dreessen is the odd man out IMO.

Hill will start the year on the PUP, IMO, and we are going to have to make room for him at some point, or maybe he goes to the PS.

Maybe we shop Owen during the preseason when he has shown to be healthy, could we get a 3rd rounder fro him?

idymoe
07-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Pk, who do you think goes when Cushing is activated?

painekiller
07-03-2010, 12:45 AM
Pk, who do you think goes when Cushing is activated?

By then someone will probably be hurt.

Otherwise it will be down to one of the following Adibi, Bentley, or Clark. IMO Clark will most likely be the guy on the bubble. We are finally getting deep enough at certain positions to have to cut some really good players.

Lucky
07-03-2010, 11:00 AM
Otherwise it will be down to one of the following Adibi, Bentley, or Clark. IMO Clark will most likely be the guy on the bubble.
As a vested veteran, Clark's contract will be guaranteed for the entire season if he makes the opening roster. As you suggested, there will likely be an injury by week 5 that will open up a roster spot. If not, surely some fringe player will come up lame in practice that week.

thunderkyss
07-03-2010, 11:07 AM
As a vested veteran, Clark's contract will be guaranteed for the entire season if he makes the opening roster. As you suggested, there will likely be an injury by week 5 that will open up a roster spot. If not, surely some fringe player will come up lame in practice that week.

Or someone would fumble, and give Kubiak a reason to cut them.

Rey
08-13-2010, 07:08 PM
Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I'd hash my thought out here. I was kind of laying out what I thought the opening day roster would look like but at the same time pointing out some interesting battles that I thought would be taking place.

There are quite a few spots that I have no idea what they're going to do and who they're going to keep..

Some thoughts I had:

-Who's out at another position if we keep Henry
-I think Holiday will be on the roster
-I think they roll with Brown at Kicker
-I think Malcolm Sheppard will seriously push for a roster spot
-Despite what some have said, I think Okam makes the team. His size cannot be replaced. When I went out to TC he just looked like a big guy...Of course next to the other DT's he looks slow, but to me he looked ok. I dunno though maybe he's gone?
-Will Kubes keep 3 QB's?
-Which LB is out when Cushing returns?
-Will Darnell Bing make Adibi non relevant?

QB - Schaub, DanO (third QB?)

RB - Foster, Slate, Tate (I don't think Henry makes it unless he is just fantastic in pre-season)

FB - Leach

TE - OD, Dreesen, Casey, Hill, Grahm

WR - AJ, Walter, Jacoby, Anderson, Dickerson

OL - Winston, Caldwell, Meyers, Studdard, Brown, W. Smith, Briesel, Butler, White

DL - Mario, Amobi, Cody, Smith, Barwin, Mitchell, Okam?, Bulman or Sheppard or Naeding or Deljuan

LB - Cush, Meco, Diles, Sharpton, Clark, Bentley, Adibi (Bing?)

CB - Quinn, Jackson, McCain, Molden, McMannis (I think they may try to sneak McMannis onto the PS and keep Reeves...just depends on how they play this pre-season)

FS - Wilson, Nolan

SS - Pollard, Barber

KR- Holiday

K - Brown

P - Mr. Holland's Opus

As you all can see there will be a lot of good battles going on during pre-season. Are you excited or frickin' what?!

JB
08-13-2010, 07:18 PM
Hill goes on IR
I don't think White makes the team.
I think Schobel is your last DL spot, with Sheppard going to PS
Adibi goes to IR, Sharpton goes to PS, add Bentley
McManis goes to PS. Reeves makes the roster.

The Pencil Neck
08-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Gonna be hard to make the team this year.

Here's what I think, although I'm dying to watch the preseason games:

QB: Schaub, DanO
RB: Foster, Slaton, Tate, Henry
FB: Leach
WR: AJ, KW, JJ, DA, Holliday, Dickerson
TE: OD, Dreessen, Graham, Casey
OT: Brown, Winston, Butler
OG: Caldwell, Brisiel, Studdard, W. Smith
OC: Myers

DE: Mario, Antonio, Barwin, Schobel, Bulman
DT: Cody, Amobi, Mitchell, Sheppard, Robinson
LB: Cushing, Demeco, Diles, Sharpton, Bentley
CB: Quin, Jackson, McCain, Molden, McMannis, Reeves
SS: Pollard, Barber, Torri
FS: Eugene, Nolan

K: Rackers
P: The Turk

I think Adibi goes IR. Shelley Smith, who I had high hopes for, goes to PS along with Greenhouse, Jamison, and Jeremiah Johnson. Clark doesn't make the squad.

keyser
08-13-2010, 10:44 PM
Gonna be hard to make the team this year.

Here's what I think, although I'm dying to watch the preseason games:

QB: Schaub, DanO
RB: Foster, Slaton, Tate, Henry
FB: Leach
WR: AJ, KW, JJ, DA, Holliday, Dickerson
TE: OD, Dreessen, Graham, Casey
OT: Brown, Winston, Butler
OG: Caldwell, Brisiel, Studdard, W. Smith
OC: Myers

DE: Mario, Antonio, Barwin, Schobel, Bulman
DT: Cody, Amobi, Mitchell, Sheppard, Robinson
LB: Cushing, Demeco, Diles, Sharpton, Bentley
CB: Quin, Jackson, McCain, Molden, McMannis, Reeves
SS: Pollard, Barber, Torri
FS: Eugene, Nolan

K: Rackers
P: The Turk

I think Adibi goes IR. Shelley Smith, who I had high hopes for, goes to PS along with Greenhouse, Jamison, and Jeremiah Johnson. Clark doesn't make the squad.

Although the individuals you list seem about right, I think the numbers will have to make it work out a bit different. I think they need more than 5 LBs, especially with Cushing missing 4 games (they can't plan on just 4 LBs for the first 4 games). 11 DBs is probably a bit too high. And, I don't see them keeping only 8 on the OL, but 10 on the DL. If that's right, it means we'll probably end up cutting a better player in order to keep a poorer player to fill out a position.

Lucky
08-13-2010, 10:46 PM
I pretty much agree with Pencil Neck's prediction, though I think the Texans will carry more than 5 LBs on the roster. Since it still looks like Cushing won't be there on opening day, I'm certain that another LB makes the squad. I would say both Bing & Adibi make the opening roster, with Sheppard and Torri Williams going to the PS.

J_R
08-13-2010, 10:48 PM
Matt Schaub, Dan Orlovsky

Arian Foster, Steve Slaton, Ben Tate, Chris Henry

Vonta Leach

Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Jacoby Jones, David Anderson, Dorin Dickerson, Andre Davis

Owen Daniels, James Casey, Joel Dreessen, Garrett Graham

Duane Brown, Eric Winston, Rashad Butler, Cole Pemberton

Kasey Studdard, Antoine Caldwell, Mike Briesel, Wade Smith

Chris Myers, Chris White

Mario Williams, Antonio Smith, Connor Barwin, Aaron Schobel(Are we to assume Schobel signs here?)

Amobi Okoye, Shaun Cody, Earl Mitchell, Malcolm Sheppard

Zac Diles, DeMeco Ryans, Brian Cushing, Danny Clark, Darryl Sharpton, Kevin Bentley, Xavier Adibi

Kareem Jackson, Glover Quin, Brice McCain, Jacques Reeves, Antwaun Molden

Bernard Pollard, Dominique Barber

Eugene Wilson, Troy Nolan

Neil Rackers

Matt Turk


PUP: Anthony Hill

IR: Tim Bulman

PS: TBD

newtexan
08-13-2010, 11:06 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but if a player is placed on the practice squad he can be picked up by any other team with no compensation, my point is this, if the Texans place Malcolm Sheppard on the practice squad he's gone.

Lucky
08-13-2010, 11:17 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but if a player is placed on the practice squad he can be picked up by any other team with no compensation, my point is this, if the Texans place Malcolm Sheppard on the practice squad he's gone.
You're that certain? Sheppard's never even played in a preseason game. If he tears it up in the preseason, maybe. Right now, Sheppard's an undersized UDFA that's pretty much unknown in the league.

newtexan
08-13-2010, 11:45 PM
He's bigger than Omobi and being undrafted doesn't take away what he did at Arkansas, there are loads of players drafted high and never lived up to their billing, Sheppard fits the style of play the TEXANS look for, he's a high motor guy that wont quit, its well documented, to come into camp as an unknowned and get praise from the head coach is not a fluke or misprint, going undrafted was a hard pill to swallow for a player that was only the 2nd player in Arkansas history to be 2-time team captain, legendary FRANK, BROYLES was the first, good company i think.

The Pencil Neck
08-13-2010, 11:47 PM
Although the individuals you list seem about right, I think the numbers will have to make it work out a bit different. I think they need more than 5 LBs, especially with Cushing missing 4 games (they can't plan on just 4 LBs for the first 4 games). 11 DBs is probably a bit too high. And, I don't see them keeping only 8 on the OL, but 10 on the DL. If that's right, it means we'll probably end up cutting a better player in order to keep a poorer player to fill out a position.

When Cushing is out, they'll be able to carry 1 more linebacker. Probably Clark, who'll be cut as soon as Cush comes back. So that's a wash.

The lines were a tough call for me. I could easily see some shifting around but I thought this was very similar to what we went with for a good part of last year.

Torri could EASILY go to the PS to free up some room somewhere else. But he's been getting a lot more press than Barber lately.

I also struggled with putting Chris Henry as a 4th RB. That's another place where I could see us possibly just going Foster, Slaton, Tate with Johnson on the PS. But that's AWFULLY thin at RB.

It was also hard for me to cut JDB because by all accounts, he's played as well as Orlovsky to this point.

ChampionTexan
08-13-2010, 11:49 PM
He's bigger than Omobi and being undrafted doesn't take away what he did at Arkansas, there are loads of players drafted high and never lived up to their billing, Sheppard fits the style of play the TEXANS look for, he's a high motor guy that wont quit, its well documented, to come into camp as an unknowned and get praise from the head coach is not a fluke or misprint, going undrafted was a hard pill to swallow for a player that was only the 2nd player in Arkansas history to be 2-time team captain, legendary FRANK, BROYLES was the first, good company i think.

So what's happened in the last 4 months that has transformed him from a guy who was passed on 255 times in the draft to being someone an NFL team would be willing to commit a spot on their 53 man roster to?

J_R
08-14-2010, 12:03 AM
No disrespect or anything like that to newtexan but he has a huge man-crush on Sheppard. Not a bad thing as we all have players like or love, but MS is someone he likes and will reiterate it time and time again;). Really likes him and/or followed him closely at Arkansas.

newtexan
08-14-2010, 12:18 AM
This was the deepest draft ever for D.T'S, players get looked over every yr.,.... it happens, question is what are you are going to do about it , do you get mad at Mel, Kiper or Todd Mcshay or do you put in work and prove to the NFL world that they missed another good one, J.Russell was the no. 1 pick just a couple of yrs. ago, it happens.

rmartin65
08-14-2010, 11:42 AM
This was the deepest draft ever for D.T'S, players get looked over every yr.,.... it happens, question is what are you are going to do about it , do you get mad at Mel, Kiper or Todd Mcshay or do you put in work and prove to the NFL world that they missed another good one, J.Russell was the no. 1 pick just a couple of yrs. ago, it happens.

Yes, the draft is an inexact science. Yes, players taken highly bust, and players drafted later (or not at all) have been known to be studs. But 255 picks went by without his name picked. 255. Why would another team jump him to their 53 man roster, after not even drafting him?