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barrett
06-22-2010, 11:07 AM
per PFT (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/22/jaguars-scrimmage-ticket-decision-seen-as-tipping-point/)

"At this time, I would like to speak to everyone from my heart. I ask that you, please, read my words carefully and embrace them. Here goes: Folks, this is it. This is save the whale. Forget, for the moment, about kids and growing the fan base for the future. We've been doing that since 1995. Back then, it was about the future. In 2010, it's about the present," he starts.

In the most clear way possible, Ketchman makes the case that the Jaguars have reached a crisis point, if that wasn't already clear.

"Ticket sales, not the futures of David Garrard and Jack Del Rio, is the number one issue confronting this team, and it's not about next year's ticket sales or growing the fan base for 2020, it's about selling tickets for this year. This is it," Ketchman says.

El Tejano
06-22-2010, 11:19 AM
http://991.com/gallery_180x180/Huey-Lewis--The-News-If-This-Is-It-258398-991.jpg

If this is it
Please let me know
If you want this team gone you better let me know
If this is it
I think I already know
If you want us gone Jville, just say so.

jaayteetx
06-22-2010, 11:23 AM
Bye bye J-ville, hello la la land!

Koolaid Time
06-22-2010, 11:41 AM
Bye bye J-ville, hello la la land!

What are they going to use for a stadium out in LA? Rose Bowl?

Texan_Bill
06-22-2010, 11:51 AM
As much as I like to tease folks like Mootini about the Jags moving, I really hate seeing that happen to any city. We lived it and it sucked!!!! Therefore I really don't wish that on any fan base....

:thinking: Well maybe Tennessee. ;)

It was a long shot that we would ever see a team again. It would be damn near impossible for Jacksonville to EVER get another team.

Dutchrudder
06-22-2010, 12:16 PM
As much as I like to tease folks like Mootini about the Jags moving, I really hate seeing that happen to any city. We lived it and it sucked!!!! Therefore I really don't wish that on any fan base....

:thinking: Well maybe Tennessee. ;)

It was a long shot that we would ever see a team again. It would be damn near impossible for Jacksonville to EVER get another team.

Yeah, but did the Oilers didn't have attendance issues for several years before moving?

Texecutioner
06-22-2010, 12:21 PM
I'd much rather the Jags stay in Jacksonville and stay with their current owner than anything. If anything they've proven to be a team that will have a hard time staying successful long. They know how to have quick little stints where they play well, but this is a good franchise to have in our division. With a new owner buying this team and moving them out to LA or some other city they might get a smart new owner that's all about winning that makes this team a lot more competitive year in and year out. And if they move to LA ESPN and the rest of the media will be covering that team like crazy. If the Jags have to move I hope it's anywhere but LA.

badboy
06-22-2010, 12:21 PM
Tebow would have solved this problem. Sarcasm thinggy goes here.

barrett
06-22-2010, 04:38 PM
Selfish as it seems, my biggest issue is that a move from Jax to Lax would double the travel distance and the players would have to to adjust to a 2 time zone difference instead of one. (I guess the time zone thing isn't as big of a deal. It'd be like a 3pm ish game.) But the distance is still a disadvantage.

And no, I don't see them realigning.

Ryan
06-22-2010, 04:49 PM
I wish their move to LA would make way for a realignment. Ship the Colts to the north where they belong :D

Goldensilence
06-22-2010, 04:51 PM
Selfish as it seems, my biggest issue is that a move from Jax to Lax would double the travel distance and the players would have to to adjust to a 2 time zone difference instead of one. (I guess the time zone thing isn't as big of a deal. It'd be like a 3pm ish game.) But the distance is still a disadvantage.

And no, I don't see them realigning.

I do and it would be simple. Take St. Louis move them into the AFC South. Move the new LA team to the NFC West. It's not like the NFC West has some entrenched rivalries like breaking up the NFC East, NFC North or AFC North.

Geographically it makes a lot more sense.

HoustonFrog
06-22-2010, 04:56 PM
I don't know why they would put any team in LA. The people there haven't had a team and don't care. When they did have a teams they failed. New stadium or not, football in L.A. seems to move on at some point.

MojoMan
06-22-2010, 05:09 PM
I would rather see the Jaguars go to Mexico City.

The Mexico City Jaguares. They actually have jaguars down in Mexico, after all.

Also, this would be an especially great rivalry for the Houston Texans.

HoustonFrog
06-22-2010, 05:12 PM
I would rather see the Jaguars go to Mexico City.

The Mexico City Jaguares. They actually have jaguars down in Mexico, after all.

Also, this would be an especially great rivalry for the Houston Texans.

I'm afraid they would get no American fans for fear that they would be killed in a hail of gunfire from drug cartels.

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2010, 05:15 PM
It would be interesting to contemplate the rearrangement of our division.

Blake
06-22-2010, 05:16 PM
Tebow would have solved this problem. Sarcasm thinggy goes here.

The sad thing is that you are right. He would have solved their problems. Maybe temporary, but that is what they are needing right now.

GP
06-22-2010, 05:37 PM
Where else do they have awaiting them, if they move?

California has 49ers, Chargers, and Raiders. This would make a fourth team in California. I don't think it would work.

So what other market exists that could support them?

I bet the NFL steps in and saves the day, just like MLB rescued one of those teams (the Expos, wasn't it?).

San Antonio is the only other market...but they are big time Cowboys supporters first and foremost.

Vegas? I doubt it, due to gambling taboo situation.

Pocatella, Idaho? Salt Lake City, Utah? Gary, Indiana? LOL.

thunderkyss
06-22-2010, 05:53 PM
I would rather see the Jaguars go to Mexico City.

The Mexico City Jaguares. They actually have jaguars down in Mexico, after all.

Also, this would be an especially great rivalry for the Houston Texans.

Yeah, The Astrodom could be their home stadium.

brakos82
06-22-2010, 05:57 PM
Where else do they have awaiting them, if they move?

California has 49ers, Chargers, and Raiders. This would make a fourth team in California. I don't think it would work.

So what other market exists that could support them?

I bet the NFL steps in and saves the day, just like MLB rescued one of those teams (the Expos, wasn't it?).

San Antonio is the only other market...but they are big time Cowboys supporters first and foremost.

Vegas? I doubt it, due to gambling taboo situation.

Pocatella, Idaho? Salt Lake City, Utah? Gary, Indiana? LOL.

Portland, OR? Just sayin'.

MojoMan
06-22-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm afraid they would get no American fans for fear that they would be killed in a hail of gunfire from drug cartels.

Perhaps, but there are over 20 million people living in Mexico City, making it one of the five largest metropolitan areas in the world. Selling out 10 NFL games a year should not be too much trouble for them. Unlike the smaller city of Jacksonville, which has never really been up to the challenge.

Seriously. I am not making this up. This idea has been discussed in all seriousness for some time now. This would be great. The Mexico City Jaguares in the AFC South. If anyone wants an excuse to go down to Mexico City to see the Aztec ruins of Teotihuacan and the Houston Texans all in the same weekend, this would definitely provide that opportunity. This is an idea whose time has come.

MojoMan
06-22-2010, 06:01 PM
Yeah, The Astrodom could be their home stadium.

You make an interesting point. When the Mexican national soccer team comes to Reliant to play the US national team, it seems more like a home game for the Mexican team.

But the Texans fans have season tickets, and there is a nice stadium already in Mexico City. So, nothing to worry about fellas. Other than if the Texans will win the game, of course.

pbat488
06-22-2010, 06:02 PM
Selfish as it seems, my biggest issue is that a move from Jax to Lax would double the travel distance and the players would have to to adjust to a 2 time zone difference instead of one. (I guess the time zone thing isn't as big of a deal. It'd be like a 3pm ish game.) But the distance is still a disadvantage.

And no, I don't see them realigning.

It's even worse for the Jags if they move to LA as instead of the current teams making 1 trip to LA, they make 3 trips across the country.

I do and it would be simple. Take St. Louis move them into the AFC South. Move the new LA team to the NFC West. It's not like the NFC West has some entrenched rivalries like breaking up the NFC East, NFC North or AFC North.

Geographically it makes a lot more sense.

This would be ideal if it were to happen.

JB
06-22-2010, 06:30 PM
Perhaps, but there are over 20 million people living in Mexico City, making it one of the five largest metropolitan areas in the world. Selling out 10 NFL games a year should not be too much trouble for them. Unlike the smaller city of Jacksonville, which has never really been up to the challenge.

Seriously. I am not making this up. This idea has been discussed in all seriousness for some time now. This would be great. The Mexico City Jaguares in the AFC South. If anyone wants an excuse to go down to Mexico City to see the Aztec ruins of Teotihuacan and the Houston Texans all in the same weekend, this would definitely provide that opportunity. This is an idea whose time has come.

I think you are right. The NFL has been looking for a good opportunity to expand internationally. I think their ideal plan would be for the chargers to move to LA, thus giving them that tv market, and Jags moving to Mexico City makes sense. The games that have been played down there have always done well, and if they had their own team they would go nuts.

YooHoo Go Jaguares!

GP
06-22-2010, 09:35 PM
Move to Mexico, then they get LenDale White to play RB.

He gets only a $100 per game salary, but all the tequila he can consume.

Kulluminatii
06-22-2010, 09:47 PM
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2315/photo1ga.jpg
http://www.tailgatingideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/la_stadium.jpg

This move will either work really well or be a massive failure depending on how this is all marketed to the people of LA. A team will be in LA before 2014, I can guarantee that. The NFL has been pushing for its return to the LA market for quite some time now. Can't say I'm excited that the Jaguars are the most likely candidate to move to LA now, but I am still pleased.

And the image above is the design from one group that is planning to build a stadium to attract an NFL team, the other group is still working on their design for a stadium. Will be interesting to see these groups battle it out to get an NFL team :evil:.

Mari-OWNED!
06-22-2010, 09:55 PM
Mexico City is one of the most polluted cities in the world. They are also known to have "fecal storms."

http://www.mongabay.com/reference/country_studies/mexico/GEOGRAPHY.html

During the dry winter months, untreated fecal matter also becomes airborne. The resulting dangerous mix is responsible for a wide range of respiratory illnesses. One study of twelve urban areas worldwide in the mid-1980s concluded that the residents of Mexico City had the highest levels of lead and cadmium in their blood. The volume of pollutants from Mexico City has damaged the surrounding ecosystem as well. For example, wastewater from Mexico City that flows north and is used for irrigation in the state of Hidalgo has been linked to congenital birth defects and high levels of gastrointestinal diseases in that state.

They should definitely move the Jaguars there! :fingergun:

Koolaid Time
06-22-2010, 10:28 PM
This move will either work really well or be a massive failure depending on how this is all marketed to the people of LA. A team will be in LA before 2014, I can guarantee that. The NFL has been pushing for its return to the LA market for quite some time now. Can't say I'm excited that the Jaguars are the most likely candidate to move to LA now, but I am still pleased.

And the image above is the design from one group that is planning to build a stadium to attract an NFL team, the other group is still working on their design for a stadium. Will be interesting to see these groups battle it out to get an NFL team :evil:.

Well, I hope these groups have plenty of private money to build their stadiums, because both LA County and the State of California are flat broke and don't have the money to lend.

Kulluminatii
06-22-2010, 10:41 PM
Well, I hope these groups have plenty of private money to build their stadiums, because both LA County and the State of California are flat broke and don't have the money to lend.

As far as I know, both these stadiums will not cost a cent of taxpayer money.

drs23
06-22-2010, 10:57 PM
As far as I know, both these stadiums will not cost a cent of taxpayer money.

Cool then. Load the vans. What are we waiting for?:foottap:

b0ng
06-23-2010, 12:38 AM
The NFL needs to stop being retarded and move a team to Vegas. They aren't the only state in the country that allows gambling and has casinos.

painekiller
06-23-2010, 01:02 AM
Yeah, but did the Oilers didn't have attendance issues for several years before moving?

The Oilers sold out the dome every game up until Bud Adam's annoinced he was moving the team to Tennessee. He had 2 or 3 years left on his lease here and Tennessee needed time to build his new stadium.

The attendance dropped off by 70% iirc.

My family was an original season ticket holder, and we canceled our tickets when Bud made the announcement, prior to that I had not missed a game in over 10 years, which was when I got out of college.

We where rocking the dome.

Bud would pull the "I am moving the team" card every few years and it got him the redone dome. But he still had to pay rent. And he did not want to.

During the early 90's Bud and Mayor Bob Lanier got into a pi$$ing contents and Bud refused to talk to him anymore. Bud gave Nashville the exclusive rights to negotiate with the Oilers in a contract, when the news broke here the town went nuts, and the Oilers still had a few years to go before they could leave. But the contract meant Bud had to move.

Bud's moving of the Oilers lead Drayton McClain to cry about needing a new stadium, which is why we now have Minute Maid and an empty dome.

But the Oilers had a huge following before the news of the move was released, do not believe the reports that contradict that.

this is a nice read and oh so acurate (http://www.allsands.com/sports/history/budadamshousto_xrt_gn.htm)

Bud Adams And The Houston Oilers
The fans of Houston never stopped supporting the Oilers. Bud Adams did not leave Houston due to lack of support.
The fans of the city of Houston never stopped supporting the Houston Oilers. This is a common misinterpretation of the facts. Oiler fans have been bashed ever since Bud Adams threatened to move the team to Jacksonville. The fans supported the Oilers until the day Bud said the team was going to Tennessee. They even supported them afterwards, all the way until they left town.
One might look at the attendance figures for the Oilers last years in Houston. There was a drop from the previous years. This fact is confusing. Yes the fans stopped attending the games, but this was only after the announced move to Nashville, Tennessee. Before this, the Oilers were coming close to selling out every single game- even when they went 2-14.
Even in these off years of attendance, when the Oilers played against the Steelers, 49er's and Dolphins, the Astrodome was usually sold out. There were around 50,000 people still attending these games during the last years. Players on the Pittsburgh team, after an Oiler victory in their last year, stated that the noise they heard in the Astrodome was the loudest they had heard all year. Strange from a town who does not support their football team.
Another statistic one can use to gage the fan support is the Nielson ratings. The NFL football ratings in Houston stayed about even the last year they were in town, dropping slightly. If the interest had really left the fans, the Nielson ratings would have plummeted as people would have watched something else or done other activities on a Sunday afternoon.
The claim that the Oilers left Houston due to lack of support is just wrong. Houston has regained an NFL team because the NFL has acknowledged that Houston fans supported and will continue to support a professional football team.

texansdrummer
06-23-2010, 01:14 AM
From what I've been privy to here in LA, it seems that things may lean towards the stadium proposal that would be near the Staples Center.

I'd love to have a home team again.

TexanSam
06-23-2010, 01:14 AM
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2315/photo1ga.jpg
http://www.tailgatingideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/la_stadium.jpg

That looks pretty friggin awesome

Kulluminatii
06-23-2010, 01:38 AM
From what I've been privy to here in LA, it seems that things may lean towards the stadium proposal that would be near the Staples Center.

I'd love to have a home team again.

Yeah, I am hoping the group that is planning to build the stadium near the Staples Center gets the team. However, I have been hearing it will be a dome stadium, and if thats the case, screw that. Then again it may be false info spread by the other group, they seem hellbent on landing the team...and you kind of have to respect that :D.


That looks pretty friggin awesome

Indeed it does, only thing I dislike about it is that it will be located in the city of Industry which is a good half hour away from downtown LA w/o traffic. But on gameday it would be a **** getting there.

Lucky
06-23-2010, 02:23 AM
"Ticket sales, not the futures of David Garrard and Jack Del Rio, is the number one issue confronting this team, and it's not about next year's ticket sales or growing the fan base for 2020, it's about selling tickets for this year. This is it," Ketchman says.
This is it...else? The NFL won't let the Jags close the doors. And the other NFL owners won't just give the LA market to Wayne Weaver. In order for the Jaguar franchise to relocate to Los Angeles, the following things must happen:

1) Weaver agrees to sell to a NFL approved owner at the value of the current franchise (not a possible LA franchise).
2) New owner agrees to pay the remaining 31 NFL owners an additional franchise fee for relocating to Los Angeles.
3) New owner secures a new stadium in the LA area.

None of these things are anywhere close to happening. And Weaver isn't really losing money in Jacksonville. The TV contract virtually guarantees him a profit. He's just not making as much $$$ as other NFL owners. There are no dire straits that require immediate action. And there aren't really any other places the Jags could relocate to, anytime soon. Not in this economy. The NFL is stuck in Jacksonville for the foreseeable future.

I do and it would be simple. Take St. Louis move them into the AFC South. Move the new LA team to the NFC West. It's not like the NFC West has some entrenched rivalries like breaking up the NFC East, NFC North or AFC North.

Geographically it makes a lot more sense.
TV wise, it doesn't make sense. CBS would be losing the northern FL market (granted, no biggie), and forced to split the Missouri market. And Fox would get the LA gravy. Any way you look at it, there will be blood shed over which network gets the LA team.

Carr Bombed
06-23-2010, 03:41 AM
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2315/photo1ga.jpg
http://www.tailgatingideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/la_stadium.jpg

This move will either work really well or be a massive failure depending on how this is all marketed to the people of LA. A team will be in LA before 2014, I can guarantee that. The NFL has been pushing for its return to the LA market for quite some time now. Can't say I'm excited that the Jaguars are the most likely candidate to move to LA now, but I am still pleased.

And the image above is the design from one group that is planning to build a stadium to attract an NFL team, the other group is still working on their design for a stadium. Will be interesting to see these groups battle it out to get an NFL team :evil:.

Well thank god that in 1999, LA dragged their feet back, even when the NFL was bending over backwards to stick a team there and gave them every advantage imaginable and they couldn't even offer up a stadium proposal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-GIkxGe6I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhlWBorea8&feature=related



P.S.

Dominique Sachse is STILL hot as ever. :) That's one fine MILF.

Kulluminatii
06-23-2010, 03:56 AM
Well thank god that in 1999, LA dragged their feet back, even when the NFL was bending over backwards to stick a team there and gave them every advantage imaginable and they couldn't even offer up a stadium proposal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-GIkxGe6I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhlWBorea8&feature=related



P.S.

Dominique Sachse is STILL hot as ever. :) That's one fine MILF.

McNair & the city of Houston just wanted it more... its as simple as that. LA blew a great opportunity at getting an expansion franchise, which is much easier than convincing a team to move.

Thanks for the link to those videos btw, I wasn't really into the NFL when all that expansion stuff was going on.

playa465
06-23-2010, 04:57 AM
The NFL needs to stop being retarded and move a team to Vegas. They aren't the only state in the country that allows gambling and has casinos.

^^^ THIS...Vegas getting an NFL team would be instant revenue for the owner and the NFL for a very long time...the problem would be player conduct, if you think Goodell has issues now :cutthroat:...the deal would also have to run thru the gaming commission to have all the sports books remove the team from being wagered on to eliminate any conflict of interest.

Carr Bombed
06-23-2010, 05:07 AM
^^^ THIS...Vegas getting an NFL team would be instant revenue for the owner and the NFL for a very long time...the problem would be player conduct, if you think Goodell has issues now :cutthroat:...the deal would also have to run thru the gaming commission to have all the sports books remove the team from being wagered on to eliminate any conflict of interest.

Vegas doesn't offer ANYTHING that LA doesn't currently offer...LA actually has the upper hand when compared to LV.

Las Vegas isn't anything but tranplants....same as LA.

But LA is a MUCH larger city with a MUCH bigger media infrastructure. The only thing Las Vegas could offer over LA would be the gambling aspect, which the league wants absolute no part of. Las Vegas isn't really a viable option when being compared to Los Angeles. A team has a much better chance at succeeding in LA than it ever does in Las Vegas.....Vegas isn't nothing but traveling business men who's loyalties already rest elsewhere. (Same thing as LA, but atleast with LA, they tend to stay longterm once the set up shop and not just for a weekend) Vegas needs to be on the short list of NFL cities...frankly, SA should get one before them.

playa465
06-23-2010, 05:35 AM
Vegas doesn't offer ANYTHING that LA doesn't currently offer...LA actually has the upper hand when compared to LV.

Las Vegas isn't anything but tranplants....same as LA.

But LA is a MUCH larger city with a MUCH bigger media infrastructure. The only thing Las Vegas could offer over LA would be the gambling aspect, which the league wants absolute no part of. Las Vegas isn't really a viable option when being compared to Los Angeles. A team has a much better chance at exceeding in LA than it ever does in Las Vegas.....Vegas isn't nothing but traveling business men who's loyalties already rest elsewhere. (Same thing as LA, but atleast with LA, they tend to stay longterm once the set up shop and not just for a weekend) Vegas needs to be on the short list of NFL cities...frankly, SA should get one before them.

You are thinking like an outsider...I lived in Las Vegas and the STRIP nor STRIP CLUBS are indicative of the residents there as they hardly ever go (but my fav was the Palomino)...LA had its chance TWICE why waste time with a city that has the population and revenue but has always had other interests. Long term? If LA was long term they would still have a team. LA is about Hollywood and partying, when a team in LA is not winning their fans are fickle...Vegas is about gambling/partying and SPORTS (ask NASCAR and Boxing)...I guarantee you that a team in Vegas would outlast one in LA, #1 reason because it would be a first and there would not be any competition against it.

Kulluminatii
06-23-2010, 06:39 AM
LA had its chance TWICE why waste time with a city that has the population and revenue but has always had other interests.

Why doesn't anyone ever expand as to why LA has lost both teams? When it comes to the Raiders, Al wanted a new stadium and LA simply could not get it done. I don't blame him for wanting to move out of the ****hole that is the Coliseum.

The Rams, well, lets just say a lot of LA Rams fan still have a strong hate for Georgia Frontiere. She makes present-day Al Davis look like a genius. She ran that team into the ground, whether it was on purpose or not, that is still up for debate.

Vegas is about gambling/partying and SPORTS (ask NASCAR and Boxing)...I guarantee you that a team in Vegas would outlast one in LA, #1 reason because it would be a first and there would not be any competition against it.

Haha, maybe when the NFL stops caring about its "goody-goody" image, then MAYBE Vegas will have a shot at a team. Although I still believe San Antonio, hell even Toronto and like some have stated previously Mexico City all have a better shot to land an NFL team than Vegas.

IDEXAN
06-23-2010, 08:33 AM
The NFL has wanted back into LA since losing both the Rams and the Raiders and will always want back in until they get back in the second largest
metro in the country.
BTW, here's the division reconfiguration: LA replaces KC Chiefs in the AFC West to form a division of LA, SD, Oakland, & Denver while
the AFC South is composed of Houston, Indy, Tennesses, and the Chiefs.

JB
06-23-2010, 08:44 AM
The NFL has wanted back into LA since losing both the Rams and the Raiders and will always want back in until they get back in the second largest
metro in the country.
BTW, here's the division reconfiguration: LA replaces KC Chiefs in the AFC West to form a division of LA, SD, Oakland, & Denver while
the AFC South is composed of Houston, Indy, Tennesses, and the Chiefs.

Never happen. Chiefs not gonna give up the long rivalry they have had with the Bronco's and Chargers.

Kulluminatii
06-23-2010, 08:59 AM
Never happen. Chiefs not gonna give up the long rivalry they have had with the Bronco's and Chargers.

Yeah, you can't break that rivalry up. As crappy as the AFC West has been as of late, it has a storied past and I don't see that division changing anytime soon. I'm hoping this new LA team will be in the NFC, and I believe the best option would be placing it in the NFC West and moving the Rams to the AFC South. I'm sure you guys wouldn't mind having 2 easy wins for at least the next 2-3 years :D.

Texan_Bill
06-23-2010, 09:07 AM
Yeah, but did the Oilers didn't have attendance issues for several years before moving?

Not really, but neither did Cleveland. As far as I'm concerned that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. It sucks for ANY community that loses a team.

ChampionTexan
06-23-2010, 09:10 AM
Never happen. Chiefs not gonna give up the long rivalry they have had with the Bronco's and Chargers.

Yep...errr I mean nope (I agree).

IDEXAN
06-23-2010, 09:19 AM
Never happen. Chiefs not gonna give up the long rivalry they have had with the Bronco's and Chargers.
I don't think they've got that much juice in KC. It does have great rivalries with Oakland and Denver, but KC is a small market with minimul clout within the league. Way down on the peking order. On the other had the LA franchise-crowd would apply lots of pressure to have California rivalries with Oakland and SD.
Now I would love for the Texans to be in a division with an LA franchise, which potentially would give them some real national exposure since LA could become the ABC/ESPN team which automatically gets real national exposure.

Hookem Horns
06-23-2010, 09:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WflkuBweSYo

chicagotexan2
06-23-2010, 09:36 AM
I'm afraid they would get no American fans for fear that they would be killed in a hail of gunfire from drug cartels.

Then hand out certificates for one free donkey show with purchase of ticket.

It was a bad idea to put them in Jacksonville to begin with. I still think Las Vegas would be a viable market even though the gambling issue pretty much kills that notion. As big as L.A. is they have twice proven that they can, but won't support a pro football team.

Kulluminatii
06-23-2010, 09:39 AM
Then hand out certificates for one free donkey show with purchase of ticket.

It was a bad idea to put them in Jacksonville to begin with. I still think Las Vegas would be a viable market even though the gambling issue pretty much kills that notion. As big as L.A. is they have twice proven that they can, but won't support a pro football team.

Third times the charm, ay? :shades:

Texan_Bill
06-23-2010, 09:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WflkuBweSYo

You went Kenny Loggins/ Michael McDonald on us?? Why I oughta! ;)

BigTimeTexanFan
06-23-2010, 10:48 AM
I could see them moving to San Antonio. It's one of the fastes growing cities in the U.S. and I think that market could definately support an NFL team. They would have to build a new stadium for them to even have a shot though.

chicagotexan2
06-23-2010, 10:53 AM
I could see them moving to San Antonio. It's one of the fastes growing cities in the U.S. and I think that market could definately support an NFL team. They would have to build a new stadium for them to even have a shot though.

Hate to say it because I hate the team, but that's cowboy country.

BSofA04
06-23-2010, 11:03 AM
I could see them moving to San Antonio. It's one of the fastes growing cities in the U.S. and I think that market could definately support an NFL team. They would have to build a new stadium for them to even have a shot though.

Not sure if the new mayor has the cajones to step up for a new stadium like Hardberger did but I don't see it happening. But it's mutually accepted to the realistic people here in San Antonio that the Alamodome won't cut it for anything more than UTSA football, Alamobowl and trade shows.

Move the Jags to St. Louis and move the Rams back to LA. LA deserves the Rams in their current state.

Texan_Bill
06-23-2010, 11:19 AM
Not sure if the new mayor has the cajones to step up for a new stadium like Hardberger did but I don't see it happening. But it's mutually accepted to the realistic people here in San Antonio that the Alamodome won't cut it for anything more than UTSA football, Alamobowl and trade shows.

Move the Jags to St. Louis and move the Rams back to LA. LA deserves the Rams in their current state.

By that logic the Rams should really move back to Cleveland, then the current Browns could move to LA. ;)

BSofA04
06-23-2010, 11:22 AM
By that logic the Rams should really move back to Cleveland, then the current Browns could move to LA. ;)

lol, yeah that is true. As long as LA doesn't get a good team I'm all for it.

HouSportsWriter
06-23-2010, 01:13 PM
That looks pretty friggin awesome

looks photoshopt to me =]] oh wait it is....

GuerillaBlack
06-23-2010, 01:18 PM
Where else do they have awaiting them, if they move?

California has 49ers, Chargers, and Raiders. This would make a fourth team in California. I don't think it would work.

So what other market exists that could support them?

I bet the NFL steps in and saves the day, just like MLB rescued one of those teams (the Expos, wasn't it?).

San Antonio is the only other market...but they are big time Cowboys supporters first and foremost.

Vegas? I doubt it, due to gambling taboo situation.

Pocatella, Idaho? Salt Lake City, Utah? Gary, Indiana? LOL.

California has almost 40 million people now. They can support another team. The NFL-less LA area has almost 18 million people. I'm sure they can support a team with a new stadium. I'd love having an LA team in our division.

TexanSam
06-23-2010, 01:42 PM
San Antonio would be awesome since that would develop an even stronger rivalry between the Texans and Jags but I don't see it happening. Jerry Jones would fight against that happening since that would take away a large portion of his market in Texas.

b0ng
06-23-2010, 01:54 PM
The problem with LA is that the people there do not give a shit about a team unless it is a winner. So unless the Vikes or or somebody of that caliber moves they are going to struggle drawing in the 18m fans.

chicagotexan2
06-23-2010, 02:08 PM
The problem with LA is that the people there do not give a shit about a team unless it is a winner. So unless the Vikes or or somebody of that caliber moves they are going to struggle drawing in the 18m fans.

I just don't think LA cares about pro football. LA is all about USC and UCLA. They had 2 teams and lost both. I'd like to see it, but I'd bet they would eventually leave too.

Texan4Ever
06-23-2010, 02:17 PM
I guess the Jaguar fans are not loyal enough! Sure the Jags are sucking right now but there not a team that I would totaly avoid watching/or attending the games. Heck, the Lions and Browns are worse enough yet they can fill seats in a stadium, wonder why?

As much as I would like to see a team move to L.A., as mentioned in this thread, it sucks for any city to loose a franchise football team as it results in job losses and economic losses something most cities can't afford in todays economic conditions.

welsh texan
06-23-2010, 02:17 PM
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ChampionTexan
06-23-2010, 02:53 PM
By that logic the Rams should really move back to Cleveland, then the current Browns could move to LA. ;)

But the Chiefs would then have to move back to Dallas, and then they would have two teams (and that would suck in at least two ways).

ChampionTexan
06-23-2010, 02:54 PM
I don't think they've got that much juice in KC. It does have great rivalries with Oakland and Denver, but KC is a small market with minimul clout within the league. Way down on the peking order. On the other had the LA franchise-crowd would apply lots of pressure to have California rivalries with Oakland and SD.
Now I would love for the Texans to be in a division with an LA franchise, which potentially would give them some real national exposure since LA could become the ABC/ESPN team which automatically gets real national exposure.

I think you're underestimating the weight that the name Hunt carries with the NFL - even with the passing of Lamar.

WWJD
06-23-2010, 03:20 PM
The Chiefs aren't going anywhere. They have a great following in their home city and Arrowhead is a great stadium. That is currently being renovated to the tune of hundreds of millions if I remember hearing that right.

Dutchrudder
06-23-2010, 05:13 PM
Not really, but neither did Cleveland. As far as I'm concerned that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. It sucks for ANY community that loses a team.

Yeah, I lived in Cleveland until '97, and I know what it was like in that town when the Browns left. Everyone hated Art Model and felt betrayed that he would move the team after everything the city did to try and make him happy. However, the fans were selling out the stadium just about every game until the move was announced, despite how poorly the team performed.

In this case, the Jags aren't selling out home games in 2009 and reports show they aren't selling season tickets in 2010 very well. They have a 76,000 seat stadium and were averaging 49,000 a game in 2009. They were second to the Raiders in attendance % last year according to ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2009/sort/homePct). I think there isn't enough support for the team locally to keep it in Jacksonville. The only reason why anyone is talking about moving the team is due to the poor attendance. If there aren't 60-70,000 people around Jacksonville that want to go see a game 8 times a year, then I'm sure there are plenty of other cities who would be happy to have a decent football team.

barrett
06-23-2010, 05:40 PM
I get the feeling that the NFL is very opposed to any realignment.

b0ng
06-23-2010, 08:12 PM
I get the feeling that the NFL is very opposed to any realignment.

Really the only two divisions you can re-align are the two South divisions and maybe some teams in and out of the NFC West. Other than that people would gripe too much about it so there's not much that the NFL can do to re-align.

We can all see the geographic reasons for re-aligning this or that, but the fact is teams like the Chiefs or the Cowboys (yes the Cowboys are so near the East like the rest of those teams) even if they don't fit the West or East division they are in, those fans and owners aren't going to give up playing the other 3 teams twice a year.

WWJD
06-23-2010, 08:23 PM
If they don't get their labor issues ironed out it won't matter what city the Jags play in.

Kulluminatii
06-23-2010, 08:40 PM
If they don't get their labor issues ironed out it won't matter what city the Jags play in.

Almost forgot about that...anyone know when the deadline is for a deal to take place before a lockout occurs? I was thinking it was May of next year, but I'm not 100% sure.

JB
06-23-2010, 09:02 PM
Almost forgot about that...anyone know when the deadline is for a deal to take place before a lockout occurs? I was thinking it was May of next year, but I'm not 100% sure.

I'm not sure either. I think if it were to happen, it would be between OTA's and training camp

TimeKiller
06-23-2010, 11:33 PM
I'd rather see the chargers move to LA. Move the Jags to a town that will embrace the team instead of go "Oh look, something shiny......next!"

b0ng
06-23-2010, 11:38 PM
I'd rather see the chargers move to LA. Move the Jags to a town that will embrace the team instead of go "Oh look, something shiny......next!"

The thing is, most of the towns you are describing are entrenched with hardcore college football. This is why I suggested Vegas because I think Vegas is a great town for sports, and the locals will absolutely flock to a pro team there. Also, who the hell wouldn't want to travel to Vegas for an away game? If you can answer "Me" to that last question I will buy your tickets.

TexanSam
06-23-2010, 11:48 PM
The thing is, most of the towns you are describing are entrenched with hardcore college football. This is why I suggested Vegas because I think Vegas is a great town for sports, and the locals will absolutely flock to a pro team there. Also, who the hell wouldn't want to travel to Vegas for an away game? If you can answer "Me" to that last question I will buy your tickets.

Not sure if the NFL will support a team in Las Vegas though. I think they'd be wary due to the gambling issue. It would be cool to see but how likely are the chances?

What about Toronto though for an NFL franchise? The Bills have played several home games there so that could be a logical choice if/when the Bills decide to leave Buffalo but if Toronto wants to get a team earlier than that I could see an ownership group moving the team to Canada.

JB
06-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Not sure if the NFL will support a team in Las Vegas though. I think they'd be wary due to the gambling issue. It would be cool to see but how likely are the chances?

What about Toronto though for an NFL franchise? The Bills have played several home games there so that could be a logical choice if/when the Bills decide to leave Buffalo but if Toronto wants to get a team earlier than that I could see an ownership group moving the team to Canada.

If the Bills have to be maybe, for the Jags? No!

b0ng
06-24-2010, 12:01 AM
Not sure if the NFL will support a team in Las Vegas though. I think they'd be wary due to the gambling issue. It would be cool to see but how likely are the chances?

What about Toronto though for an NFL franchise? The Bills have played several home games there so that could be a logical choice if/when the Bills decide to leave Buffalo but if Toronto wants to get a team earlier than that I could see an ownership group moving the team to Canada.

This is why I think the NFL is retarded for not letting a franchise move to Vegas. You can't tell me it wouldn't be supported, and you can't tell me it would run into any more trouble with gambling than the Saints. What you've got is a 50's mentality that Vegas is run by the mafia (it's not anymore) and that professionals would shave points on a game (i doubt it, they get paid too much to perform and the owners of casinos nowadays are suits, not mafia henchmen).

Toronto is okay for a franchise, but then you are competing with the CFL, and really, why do that?

welsh texan
06-24-2010, 04:53 AM
So what does everyone think about moving a franchise to London?

I think its only a matter of time, the sport has gone from strength to strength over here the past 5-10 years, with growing TV support and the International Series has proved a roaring success with UK fans, despite the fact that some of the games have been pretty poor.

Either Wembley or the Olympic Stadium would be ideal stadia for a franchise to move into so no problems there, there is a catchment area of 60 million people.

Whats not to like?

El Tejano
06-24-2010, 08:16 AM
I would rather see the Jaguars go to Mexico City.

The Mexico City Jaguares. They actually have jaguars down in Mexico, after all.

Also, this would be an especially great rivalry for the Houston Texans.

And perhaps start the beginning of the long time prophesy of Apacalypto!

IDEXAN
06-24-2010, 09:20 AM
The Chiefs aren't going anywhere. They have a great following in their home city and Arrowhead is a great stadium. That is currently being renovated to the tune of hundreds of millions if I remember hearing that right.

Of course they aren't going anywhere, they are probably gonna be playing right at Arrowhead in KC for as long as their franchise is in existance, but that won't necessarily prevent them from being reassinged to another division, even a division that doesn't incliude Denver & Oakland. And I can see that scenario unfolding if the Jags move to SoCal.

CloakNNNdagger
06-24-2010, 10:00 PM
Latest failed ticket push shows Jags endangered species in Jacksonville (http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/13556024/latest-failed-ticket-push-shows-jags-endangered-species-in-jacksonville?tag=headlines;other)

NFL owners, I'm told, are agitated with the Jaguars' situation more than ever and increasingly favor the team moving to Los Angeles, London or even Orlando (assuming there's a new stadium built). My guess is that in two or three years the Jaguars will be moving to Los Angeles.

WWJD
06-25-2010, 09:38 AM
I hope no team ever moves to London. Anywhere else in the US I would not care but London?

False Start
06-25-2010, 10:34 AM
I hope no team ever moves to London. Anywhere else in the US I would not care but London?

No doubt. The London Silly Nannies?

http://www.londonsillynannies.com/images1/London_Silly_Nannies.jpg

WWJD
06-25-2010, 12:09 PM
It would be a nightmare for teams to travel there and back. I can't imagine any player wanting to do that. They do that in preseason and that's enough.

b0ng
06-25-2010, 12:56 PM
Honestly, I don't think the NFL should try moving somewhere as ambitious as London until they are sure they could compete with soccer enough that it would make all the nightmarish logistics worth it.

CloakNNNdagger
06-25-2010, 03:10 PM
Honestly, I don't think the NFL should try moving somewhere as ambitious as London until they are sure they could compete with soccer enough that it would make all the nightmarish logistics worth it.

Adding a Madden team in Europe before a NFL team, and seeing how that works, would make more sense.:kitten:

welsh texan
06-25-2010, 03:43 PM
It would be a nightmare for teams to travel there and back. I can't imagine any player wanting to do that. They do that in preseason and that's enough.

Err, You do realise that the NFL doesn't play in London in pre-season, they play in Regular season??

Also we are likely getting 2 games a season in future years.

The current ratings show somewhere in the region of 200,000 households in the UK tuning in to watch NFL games, when tickets go on sale for the 90,000 seater Wembley venue, they get around 500,000 ticket applications for the game.

So whereas there are teams like the Bills and Jags who can't sell tickets for NFL games in the US, there is clearly the interest in the UK.

You can say what you like about NFL Europe's failure, but sports fans over here aren't stupid, NFL Europe was a sub standard product, people here are used to watching the greatest league in the world of Association Football, so naturally NFL Europe isn't a yardstick.

Another point is that UK NFL fans are used to watching NFL live, so on a Sunday evening a 6pm kick off time is your 1pm kickoff time, and that is when the fans would want to watch it.

That means that the players don't need to adjust to the timezone difference because their routine is exactly the same as if they were playing in the states.

I don't see the big problem personally.

ChampionTexan
06-25-2010, 03:54 PM
Err, You do realise that the NFL doesn't play in London in pre-season, they play in Regular season??

Also we are likely getting 2 games a season in future years.

The current ratings show somewhere in the region of 200,000 households in the UK tuning in to watch NFL games, when tickets go on sale for the 90,000 seater Wembley venue, they get around 500,000 ticket applications for the game.

So whereas there are teams like the Bills and Jags who can't sell tickets for NFL games in the US, there is clearly the interest in the UK.

You can say what you like about NFL Europe's failure, but sports fans over here aren't stupid, NFL Europe was a sub standard product, people here are used to watching the greatest league in the world of Association Football, so naturally NFL Europe isn't a yardstick.

Another point is that UK NFL fans are used to watching NFL live, so on a Sunday evening a 6pm kick off time is your 1pm kickoff time, and that is when the fans would want to watch it.

That means that the players don't need to adjust to the timezone difference because their routine is exactly the same as if they were playing in the states.

I don't see the big problem personally.

The problem (or at least the biggest one) wouldn't be the travel to London for road games. The biggest one would be the eight road games the London team would have to play in the states.

Thorn
06-25-2010, 04:56 PM
London is a bad idea. Anywhere in North America is much better.

Can you imagine being a Jags player and having to live in Londen and do all that flying to America for games? I can't image any player wanting that or any owner wanting to pay for it.

That said, I remember when we lost the Oilers. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

infantrycak
06-25-2010, 05:06 PM
London is a bad idea. Anywhere in North America is much better.

Yup no offense to London or Europe but I don't know why folks keep bringing that up. If there were to be an international expansion the logical place would be Mexico City. Many Mexicans love football. It's a larger city than New York City. Plus the logistics are easier.

Goldensilence
06-25-2010, 05:16 PM
Of course they aren't going anywhere, they are probably gonna be playing right at Arrowhead in KC for as long as their franchise is in existance, but that won't necessarily prevent them from being reassinged to another division, even a division that doesn't incliude Denver & Oakland. And I can see that scenario unfolding if the Jags move to SoCal.

Not happening at all. There is no way that division is going to be broken up. Same with the NFC East. Too much history there.

Again makes a LOT more sense just move a new LA team to the NFC West and St. Louis to AFC South.

Imatexanfan
06-25-2010, 05:36 PM
Portland, OR? Just sayin'.

I'm thinking somewhere in Alabama

IDEXAN
06-25-2010, 05:39 PM
Again makes a LOT more sense just move a new LA team to the NFC West and St. Louis to AFC South.

OK, I can also see that scenario playing out. It's just that I don't think the AFC South could have a team with an LA franchise, though I'd like to see it.

WWJD
06-25-2010, 06:15 PM
Err, You do realise that the NFL doesn't play in London in pre-season, they play in Regular season??

Also we are likely getting 2 games a season in future years.

The current ratings show somewhere in the region of 200,000 households in the UK tuning in to watch NFL games, when tickets go on sale for the 90,000 seater Wembley venue, they get around 500,000 ticket applications for the game.

So whereas there are teams like the Bills and Jags who can't sell tickets for NFL games in the US, there is clearly the interest in the UK.

You can say what you like about NFL Europe's failure, but sports fans over here aren't stupid, NFL Europe was a sub standard product, people here are used to watching the greatest league in the world of Association Football, so naturally NFL Europe isn't a yardstick.

Another point is that UK NFL fans are used to watching NFL live, so on a Sunday evening a 6pm kick off time is your 1pm kickoff time, and that is when the fans would want to watch it.

That means that the players don't need to adjust to the timezone difference because their routine is exactly the same as if they were playing in the states.

I don't see the big problem personally.

Err...taking a team for one game all the way to London and then back to the States would be very hard for the NEXT game for that team. And vice versa.

Didn't realize the games in London were regular season but I know the NFL has played preseason in Tokyo, Mexico City, etc.

I just don't think it's a good idea.

SAMURAITEXAN
06-25-2010, 07:36 PM
From marketing stand point, having a team/s located in overseas is very intriguing. Geographic stand point is another story. That said, Mexico or Canada (I know Canada has Canadian football but to have NFL team should add more spice for fans in Canada) may be a good idea to start. Besides, these two countries are within U.S. time zone which should be less stressful to players than travelling to London or any other European countries.

Relocation to LA is more realistic as LA is the second largest market and there isn't NFL team located there. I know, in california there's already 3 teams located in California but, 2 is located in Northern part(Bay area) of California and other in San Diego so relocation to LA does make since to me.

mootini
06-29-2010, 03:17 PM
I'll ride the ship until she sinks or gets to the promise land. The ticket sales are getting better. I feel the Jags will sell out the tickets this season. July is very important month. Funny, You guys have not mentioned the BUCS are going to have blacked out games this year? I have 3 season tickets..bought 1 extra one this year....GO Jags!!!! All I can do is enjoy the games.

b0ng
06-29-2010, 03:29 PM
Mootini is awesome. Just putting that out there.

Wolf
06-29-2010, 10:51 PM
at least they won't have to pay for tarps

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Kulluminatii
06-29-2010, 10:53 PM
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mootini
07-14-2010, 09:31 AM
Funny how the Jags are the poster child for the blackout situation? The media has barffed over and over about this, but other teams are having the same problem. Here is a great read from our Westside Florida team....




Share Why blackouts should have happened in 2009, not 2010.
by Buc Wild on Jul 8, 2010 1:00 PM EDT in 2010 Offseason 7 comments

It seems that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and their owners are going out of their way to make it known that there will be blackouts in the 2010 season. I can't say that I'm surprised nor should anyone be taken back by this. With attendance being down last year, the team performing poorly and little draw for a lack of household names, blackouts were the obvious result of a down economy, subpar record, and no immediate bright spot to hold on to.

We've heard from the Glazers on a handful of occassions that as far as televised games go, 2009 will not happen again where they essentially picked up the tab for those of us within 75 miles to watch the game from the comfort of our own home. This year, they say, we can exepct blackouts with similar attendance (and quite frankly, I can't say I blame them).

The question becomes, how did we get here?



In discussing this matter with a buddy of mine the other day, I had a revelation that only hindsight would allow me to have. I think the suggestion could have been made last year, but I'm sure whomever would have made the suggestion would have been tarred and feathered. The suggestion was simply this: Why didn't we blackout the games last year?

We weren't under any grand delusions that the 2009 Bucs were Super Bowl contenders. Most people had them pegged at 6-10 or worse, obviously eliminating us from the playoffs. We were a young team with little star power to provide a draw. The economy was down, the team stunk, no one showed up to the games, all the elements were there to blackout the games and move on. Now, I commend the Glazers for doing what they thought was the right thing and allowing the games to be on TV, but let me pose this follow up question. Would you rather have had the 2009 or 2010 season blacked out in the Tampa market? Sure it's hindsight, but I'd much rather see this year's team that last year's team, and let me tell you why.

Last year there was no star power. We had no idea if Freeman would even get off the bench, We had K2 but weren't sure what he could do and the defensive side lacked any big names. This year, we have a growing Freeman (regardless of his performance in 2009 or playing time, the expectation is that this year, no matter what, he would be on the field). We have top draft picks making their debut at key positions, we have an extremely young team that we can all watch grow up. Rather than watch the hodge podge squad of 2009, I'd rather watch the foundation of our team grow. With the alleged blackouts this year, many fans will miss the debut or maturation of what should be the foundation of the Bucs for the next 5-7 years in Freeman, Benn, Williams, Benn, Price, McCoy and others.

The expectations this year are not 11-5 by any means, but certainly higher than last year, particularly after a strong finish to the season, the home finale not withstanding. Would you rather watch a team that has some form of hope (2010) or a team that everyone agrees is destined for the cellar (2009)? Again, the blackouts will hurt long term "fandom" here.

This is a key year for the Bucs both for the organization (business-wise), the team, the community and individual players. Now I'm not expecting a Super Bowl parade here, but with pessimism from the community surrounding the team being prevalent, the potential for a lockout, and the reasons listed above, this seems to be the worst year to announce blackouts may now be in place. As a fan, you want to watch the players, you want to grow with the team. As owners, you want the fans to see the young guys become solid players to becoming Pro Bowlers to becoming wily veterans. That process starts in 2010 for a good portion of our starting lineup, and sadly, it looks like most of us won't be privy to this experience.

Obviously we can't go back in time, but it's a shame, in my opinion, that 2010 will be marred with behaviour better suited for 2009.

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This is the same thing that happened to the Jags, but worst for the Bucs. They had a long waiting list for tickets after they won the Super Bowl. Now, they are blacked out. One important point.....you win, no issues for blackouts.

GuerillaBlack
07-14-2010, 09:56 AM
But even when the Jags were successful, or at least competitive, no one went to the games. It just got worse in 2009, when the team got worse.

mootini
07-14-2010, 10:49 AM
But even when the Jags were successful, or at least competitive, no one went to the games. It just got worse in 2009, when the team got worse.

The Jags have not had a winning record since the 2007 season. Yes, the fan base is weak in Jax, but I won't say no one went to the games. Before 2007 and 2008 most games were attended...Yes, there were some blackouts, before and during this time period...(the bad one vs Texans)ouch!!!...but nothing like last season...we only had one sold out game! You well hear more and more teams dealing w/blackouts...it's the short term future for the NFL and the national economy.

GuerillaBlack
07-14-2010, 11:09 AM
The Jags have not had a winning record since the 2007 season. Yes, the fan base is weak in Jax, but I won't say no one went to the games. Before 2007 and 2008 most games were attended...Yes, there were some blackouts, before and during this time period...(the bad one vs Texans)ouch!!!...but nothing like last season...we only had one sold out game! You well hear more and more teams dealing w/blackouts...it's the short term future for the NFL and the national economy.

You live in Jacksonville, so you probably have a better perspective, but it appears that Jackonsville has a weak corporate base and the NFL overestimated the growth in the metro area. I don't think the NFL in Jax was a good investment, but it would suck if the team moved for Jax. That's a lot of jobs going away to say, Los Angeles.

steds
07-14-2010, 11:15 AM
Portland, OR? Just sayin'.

Love it. Sorry to say, but I'd probably jump ship straight away if this ever happened.

mootini
07-14-2010, 01:23 PM
You live in Jacksonville, so you probably have a better perspective, but it appears that Jackonsville has a weak corporate base and the NFL overestimated the growth in the metro area. I don't think the NFL in Jax was a good investment, but it would suck if the team moved for Jax. That's a lot of jobs going away to say, Los Angeles.

You nailed it..I hope the coummity of Jax realizes the importance of the Jags. The lack of Fourtune 500 compaines and the housing crash really put the damper. The Jags helped put Jacksonville on the map. It's crazy that the whole season depends on ticket sales and not football! But that's were we are now as a Fan base/team. I love going to the games, win or lose...the experience is the key to me. I can remember every game I've gone to. Enjoying all the friends and family seen, enjoying a day of football. If the Jags move, I probably won't be into the NFL anymore...I would lose that passion. Heck, I might then become a MOo, Moo fan?

El Tejano
07-14-2010, 01:30 PM
Heck, I might then become a MOo, Moo fan?

And because we know your pain, we would be the only team that would understand and take you in. After all we both hate the tacks and colts.

mootini
07-14-2010, 01:32 PM
And because we know your pain, we would be the only team that would understand and take you in. After all we both hate the tacks and colts.

Jags move, I come in, Texans become SB champs....I'll feel like a ture bandwagoner! LOL

El Tejano
07-14-2010, 01:53 PM
Jags move, I come in, Texans become SB champs....I'll feel like a ture bandwagoner! LOL

You got documented proof here though.

mootini
07-14-2010, 02:31 PM
You got documented proof here though.

I think, I just throw up in my mouth!!! MOOOOOOOOOOO:cow::cow::cow:

TEXANS84
07-14-2010, 02:48 PM
Jags move, I come in, Texans become SB champs....I'll feel like a ture bandwagoner! LOL

Copy-paste-save/file/moontini-saved

Brando
08-23-2010, 03:22 PM
From pft's mailbag.....


If the rumors are true and Jacksonville is the top candidate for a move to LA, how would the divisions go about realignment, assuming that the L.A. Jags would have to go the AFC or NFC West? Joe C.

If -- and for now it's still a big if -- the Jaguars move to Los Angeles, the NFL would have to balance geographic accuracy with the preservation of traditional rivalries. Prior to comprehensive realignment in 2002, which transformed six divisions into eight and bumped the Seahawks from the AFC West to the NFC West, the Arizona Cardinals had remained in the NFC East more than 10 years after their move from St. Louis, which hardly was "East" in the first place.

Assuming that the NFL doesn't want to send the Titans, Colts, and Texans to Los Angeles every year, the easy move would be to flip Jacksonville/L.A. from the AFC South with Kansas City from the AFC West. But that would disrupt long-standing rivalries between the Chiefs and the Broncos, Raiders, and Chargers. One big benefit, however, would flow from the annual return of the Raiders to Los Angeles.

It also would make sense to move the Jaguars to the NFC West, since that would result in the Rams returning to L.A. at least once per year, too. Likewise, it would keep the four California franchises balanced evenly between the two conferences. But then a team like the Cardinals would have to go to the AFC South, which while not completely illogical would not be ideal.

Another more radical -- but geographically appropriate -- option would entail sending the Jaguars to the AFC West, the Chiefs to the AFC North, the Ravens to the AFC East, and the Dolphins to the AFC South.

link (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/21/pft-mailbag-typed-edition/)
I don't like the idea of a team leaving one city for another city(Oilers) but it would be very interesting to see how they would do the realignment. Just a little something to think about. :thinking:

Kulluminatii
08-23-2010, 03:56 PM
They can't touch the AFC West, the rivalries between those teams has been going on for decades. I think the most likely solution would be the LA "Jags" going to the NFC West, so you would have 2 Cali teams in both AFW & NFCW.

Ryan
08-23-2010, 05:32 PM
My idea back when this first came up was to obviously move Jax to the AFC West, bringing KC to the AFC South, adding the Dolphins to the South potentially as well, and moving the Colts to the north and pushing a North team to the east.


The last few things would just be wishful thinking on my part, as that would make the AFC south the easiest for us, and no one likes making things easy on us, plus it does significantly alter rivalries. But maybe it's time to create new rivalries based more accurately on geographical settings.

Goatcheese
08-23-2010, 05:43 PM
Last time I checked Cali is in the Southern half of the U.S.

That still qualifies them for the AFC South.

SheTexan
08-23-2010, 07:26 PM
I wouldn't mind a trip to LA occassionally. Fun place to VISIT!!

That said, WHO oh WHY did we not keep our mouths shut and let Bud take his team to Jacksonville, as he originally wanted to do!! What sweet revenge that would be!!! Oh well!

GP
08-24-2010, 11:49 AM
Putting the Cardinals in AFC South and the L.A. Jaggers in the NFC West is the logical move. The Cardinals do not have the long-standing rivalries in the NFC West since they so recently moved from St. Louis to Arizona.

Plus, it's indoors. Would only play an outdoor divisional game when playing the Titans, which means controlled environment for 4 of the 6 divisional games. Every little bit helps.

El Tejano
08-24-2010, 11:55 AM
Putting the Cardinals in AFC South and the L.A. Jaggers in the NFC West is the logical move. The Cardinals do not have the long-standing rivalries in the NFC West since they so recently moved from St. Louis to Arizona.

Plus, it's indoors. Would only play an outdoor divisional game when playing the Titans, which means controlled environment for 4 of the 6 divisional games. Every little bit helps.

I believe AZ can open up their field too, no?

Dutchrudder
08-24-2010, 11:57 AM
Putting the Cardinals in AFC South and the L.A. Jaggers in the NFC West is the logical move. The Cardinals do not have the long-standing rivalries in the NFC West since they so recently moved from St. Louis to Arizona.

Plus, it's indoors. Would only play an outdoor divisional game when playing the Titans, which means controlled environment for 4 of the 6 divisional games. Every little bit helps.

Actually, it would be 5 of 6 since one of the Titan games is at Reliant :D

Yankee_In_TX
08-24-2010, 12:02 PM
But Boselli was SO convincing when he was on 610 that Jax is actually NOT having any issues.

texanhead08
08-24-2010, 12:53 PM
Yeah, but did the Oilers didn't have attendance issues for several years before moving?




The Oilers never had attendance issues until it was known they were moving. Bud just likes to keep that rumor out there to make it look like the team wasn't supported and thats why they left.

TEXANRED
08-24-2010, 01:12 PM
If the rumors are true and Jacksonville is the top candidate for a move to LA, how would the divisions go about realignment, assuming that the L.A. Jags would have to go the AFC or NFC West? Joe C.

If -- and for now it's still a big if -- the Jaguars move to Los Angeles, the NFL would have to balance geographic accuracy with the preservation of traditional rivalries. Prior to comprehensive realignment in 2002, which transformed six divisions into eight and bumped the Seahawks from the AFC West to the NFC West, the Arizona Cardinals had remained in the NFC East more than 10 years after their move from St. Louis, which hardly was "East" in the first place.

Assuming that the NFL doesn't want to send the Titans, Colts, and Texans to Los Angeles every year, the easy move would be to flip Jacksonville/L.A. from the AFC South with Kansas City from the AFC West. But that would disrupt long-standing rivalries between the Chiefs and the Broncos, Raiders, and Chargers. One big benefit, however, would flow from the annual return of the Raiders to Los Angeles.

It also would make sense to move the Jaguars to the NFC West, since that would result in the Rams returning to L.A. at least once per year, too. Likewise, it would keep the four California franchises balanced evenly between the two conferences. But then a team like the Cardinals would have to go to the AFC South, which while not completely illogical would not be ideal.

Another more radical -- but geographically appropriate -- option would entail sending the Jaguars to the AFC West, the Chiefs to the AFC North, the Ravens to the AFC East, and the Dolphins to the AFC South.

Texans move to the NFC.

Texans, Saints, Cowboys, Falcons.

This would be awesome. Never happen. But Awesome.

Brando
08-24-2010, 01:21 PM
Texans move to the NFC.

Texans, Saints, Cowboys, Falcons.

This would be awesome. Never happen. But Awesome.

No chance the Cowboys are separated from NFC East rivals Washington,NY, and Philly but that would be awesome.

ubecool454
08-24-2010, 01:38 PM
But Boselli was SO convincing when he was on 610 that Jax is actually NOT having any issues.

Boselli was convincing when he fooled us into thinking he could still play football too.

houstonspartan
08-24-2010, 06:16 PM
No chance the Cowboys are separated from NFC East rivals Washington,NY, and Philly but that would be awesome.

I disagree. I want us right where we are: In the same division as Nashville. The history between us and them, though short, is really long and complicated. We need to stay in the same division.

b0ng
08-24-2010, 08:30 PM
I doubt the NFL re-aligns for Jax moving to LA. The AFCW and the NFCE seem like the most untouchable divisions in terms of re-alignment. Maybe the NFCN as well.

Lucky
08-24-2010, 09:12 PM
Texans move to the NFC.

Texans, Saints, Cowboys, Falcons.

This would be awesome. Never happen. But Awesome.
Moving the Texans to the NFC would put all of their home games on Fox and severely limit the Texans TV coverage (as well as reduce the Cowboys Houston market). That's why it never happens.