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BIG TORO
06-17-2010, 10:53 AM
Here is the Link:http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=174867


"Arian gives us the size, and he made good decisions at the end of last year," said Harris. "We're in a good spot with Arian starting it off, but I also think Steve Slaton will contribute for us in a lot of ways." The coaches are rewarding Foster for an impressive finish to last season, and rookie Ben Tate still has ground to make up after dealing with a hamstring injury for the majority of OTAs. Nothing is written in stone in this backfield.

SheTexan
06-17-2010, 11:37 AM
I hope he makes it to stay! He deserves this chance.

drs23
06-17-2010, 11:38 AM
Cool. I like the sound of it. I also think Ben will make big strides once camp starts and he has a chance to catch up but at this point AF probably has a better grasp of what's going on. SS will now be the explosive 3rd down guy he was drafted for. I'm kinda excited about what this offense has to offer. Just hope everyone stays healthy.

BIG TORO
06-17-2010, 11:47 AM
I just wish Tate was healthy, was he injured when we drafted him or did he injure him self with us?

drs23
06-17-2010, 11:50 AM
I just wish Tate was healthy, was he injured when we drafted him or did he injure him self with us?

IIRC Kube said he pulled it working out before he joined the team. Don't have time right now to go find the quote but it's in the coach's quotes on the team website.

badboy
06-17-2010, 12:03 PM
I am hoping Arian's mother begins posting on MB again. SHe seemed like a good person and did give some personal insight on Foster's injury history not being as negative as it seemed. Let's keep the good news coming.

Section516
06-17-2010, 12:04 PM
I am hoping Arian's mother begins posting on MB again. SHe seemed like a good person and did give some personal insight on Foster's injury history not being as negative as it seemed. Let's keep the good news coming.

His mother posted on here? I missed it. What was her username?

badboy
06-17-2010, 12:15 PM
His mother posted on here? I missed it. What was her username?That was just after he was signed & maybe someone else will remember. Maybe something like Arian'smom? Some of us had concerns about his injuries & she gave us facts about what was hurt and when and what was done. Near as I recall, she thought he might contribute during his rookie season and he did. Center Chris Myers' dad was on for a while but I think all the negative comments turned him off as you can imagine. I exchanged emails briefly with dad after we traded for him to give info on housing in my area. I think he said Chris was going to stay in a hotel or apartment for first year.

gary
06-17-2010, 12:23 PM
Isn't her username TexMexMom? That sounds right to me.

TexMexMom
06-17-2010, 12:25 PM
I am hoping Arian's mother begins posting on MB again. SHe seemed like a good person and did give some personal insight on Foster's injury history not being as negative as it seemed. Let's keep the good news coming.

I'm still here. I check in as often as I can. :fans:

TEXANS84
06-17-2010, 12:27 PM
I'm still here. I check in as often as I can. :fans:

Welcome back, and congratulations are well deserved.

TexMexMom
06-17-2010, 12:28 PM
Welcome back, and congratulations are well deserved.

Thanks. He's worked hard...but there's still a long way to go.

HOU-TEX
06-17-2010, 12:34 PM
IMO, this really isn't anything we didn't already know, right? Arian played well towards the end of the season, he was healthy coming into the off-season program and he was no longer the rookie. Slaton has a couple weeks before he's cleared for contact and he has a lot to prove in camp. Tate has a lot to learn and a lot to prove before he can begin climbing the depth chart as the rookie. JJ and Henry....well, they need to turn a lot of heads in camp in order to make the team/PS. If I had to guess today, it'd be Foster, Tate and Slaton on the roster and JJ on the PS.

b0ng
06-17-2010, 12:42 PM
With the way emotions fluctuate on messageboards throughout the year I would not hold it against anybody who is a player or immediately related to a player for not posting. People can turn downright nasty when they have the anonymity of a keyboard in front of them.

ChampionTexan
06-17-2010, 12:46 PM
With the way emotions fluctuate on messageboards throughout the year I would not hold it against anybody who is a player or immediately related to a player for not posting. People can turn downright nasty when they have the anonymity of a keyboard in front of them.

Yeah - Chris Myers father hasn't posted in a while (or at least I haven't noticed it). I can't remember the last time I saw something on this board he would have enjoyed reading.

You're absolutely right about the anonymity part - at least as it relates to a lot of folks (but I realize it's not everyone).

Maddict5
06-17-2010, 12:47 PM
With the way emotions fluctuate on messageboards throughout the year I would not hold it against anybody who is a player or immediately related to a player for not posting. People can turn downright nasty when they have the anonymity of a keyboard in front of them.

wonder are there any relatives of richard justice on here? :)

badboy
06-17-2010, 12:50 PM
I'm still here. I check in as often as I can. :fans:Wow! Appreciate you so much for coming in to talk. Haven't seen you post for a while. Let your son know we are pulling for him. I have long clammored for a huge power back to pound that ball down the opponent's throat & I think Arian may be what I have been looking for. I do realize it can get viscious on this MB as the season progresses, so duck, roll and cover if needed.

TexMexMom
06-17-2010, 12:59 PM
With the way emotions fluctuate on messageboards throughout the year I would not hold it against anybody who is a player or immediately related to a player for not posting. People can turn downright nasty when they have the anonymity of a keyboard in front of them.

I'll admit it was tough when I first started posting when Arian was a freshman at Tennessee. The UT fan base is very very passionate. But over the years, I learned not to take it too personally. It seems there are three types of posters on any message board....1) those who will try to kiss my arse because I'm Arian's mom, 2) those who will try to be combative because I'm Arian's mom and 3) those who just want to be civil and talk about football.

What you will find with me is I can usually take criticism pretty well. If I feel the need, I just step away from the computer! I know people get emotional about their team and this game so I understand it. I just think if it's all done fairly and as accurately as possible, it works. I enjoy a good healthy debate; I just don't like cheap shots.

In any case, I'm sure we'll be just fine. :bat:

badboy
06-17-2010, 01:05 PM
I'll admit it was tough when I first started posting when Arian was a freshman at Tennessee. The UT fan base is very very passionate. But over the years, I learned not to take it too personally. It seems there are three types of posters on any message board....1) those who will try to kiss my arse because I'm Arian's mom, 2) those who will try to be combative because I'm Arian's mom and 3) those who just want to be civil and talk about football.

What you will find with me is I can usually take criticism pretty well. If I feel the need, I just step away from the computer! I know people get emotional about their team and this game so I understand it. I just think if it's all done fairly and as accurately as possible, it works. I enjoy a good healthy debate; I just don't like cheap shots.

In any case, I'm sure we'll be just fine. :bat:Momma got the paddle!

Thorn
06-17-2010, 01:09 PM
It's nice to see you post again TexMexMom. It's always good to have someone posting in here that has an inside perspective on something.

As to Foster being the starting RB, I'm glad to see him get a shot. I've always wanted him to have that shot, but folks, they didn't draft Tate for nothing. It will be an interesting battle at RB through the camps and pre-season. But come game 1, if Foster is still the starting RB, then:

1. Tate is still injured....OR

2. Foster is much better than the Texans and the rest of the NFL believed....OR

3. Tate's a bust at being picked in the 2nd round

We'll have to wait a while before we find out though.

Section516
06-17-2010, 01:15 PM
I'll admit it was tough when I first started posting when Arian was a freshman at Tennessee. The UT fan base is very very passionate. But over the years, I learned not to take it too personally. It seems there are three types of posters on any message board....1) those who will try to kiss my arse because I'm Arian's mom, 2) those who will try to be combative because I'm Arian's mom and 3) those who just want to be civil and talk about football.

What you will find with me is I can usually take criticism pretty well. If I feel the need, I just step away from the computer! I know people get emotional about their team and this game so I understand it. I just think if it's all done fairly and as accurately as possible, it works. I enjoy a good healthy debate; I just don't like cheap shots.

In any case, I'm sure we'll be just fine. :bat:

Well, I may be about to do a little bit of ass kissing...


But want to to tell your son that no matter what he does for the rest of his career, but for his effort in the last few games, and his production, helping us to our first winning season.. I will always be thankful. :clap::clap::clap:

HouSportsWriter
06-17-2010, 01:16 PM
It's nice to see you post again TexMexMom. It's always good to have someone posting in here that has an inside perspective on something.

As to Foster being the starting RB, I'm glad to see him get a shot. I've always wanted him to have that shot, but folks, they didn't draft Tate for nothing. It will be an interesting battle at RB through the camps and pre-season. But come game 1, if Foster is still the starting RB, then:

1. Tate is still injured....OR

2. Foster is much better than the Texans and the rest of the NFL believed....OR

3. Tate's a bust at being picked in the 2nd round

We'll have to wait a while before we find out though.
wasent tate 3rd round ?

drs23
06-17-2010, 01:17 PM
Nope, that was Mitchell - DT.

HouSportsWriter
06-17-2010, 01:18 PM
Nope, that was Mitchell - DT.
ok thanks

thunderkyss
06-17-2010, 01:20 PM
I just wish Tate was healthy, was he injured when we drafted him or did he injure him self with us?

I'm glad we're not just giving this position to him. Let him earn it.

Maddict5
06-17-2010, 01:22 PM
It's nice to see you post again TexMexMom. It's always good to have someone posting in here that has an inside perspective on something.

As to Foster being the starting RB, I'm glad to see him get a shot. I've always wanted him to have that shot, but folks, they didn't draft Tate for nothing. It will be an interesting battle at RB through the camps and pre-season. But come game 1, if Foster is still the starting RB, then:

1. Tate is still injured....OR

2. Foster is much better than the Texans and the rest of the NFL believed....OR

3. Tate's a bust at being picked in the 2nd round

We'll have to wait a while before we find out though.

i wouldnt mind having a three headed monster like dallas or the giants. plus if anybody gets injured it'll be nice not to have to sign some old guy off the street. nothing wrong with good depth

painekiller
06-17-2010, 01:25 PM
It's nice to see you post again TexMexMom. It's always good to have someone posting in here that has an inside perspective on something.

As to Foster being the starting RB, I'm glad to see him get a shot. I've always wanted him to have that shot, but folks, they didn't draft Tate for nothing. It will be an interesting battle at RB through the camps and pre-season. But come game 1, if Foster is still the starting RB, then:

1. Tate is still injured....OR

2. Foster is much better than the Texans and the rest of the NFL believed....OR

3. Tate's a bust at being picked in the 2nd round

We'll have to wait a while before we find out though.

Or 4. Tate is a rookie who is still learning the playbook and who to block when. Which as we all have seen is very important to Kubiak, rookie RBs do not play if they do not know who to block.

For an example, just look at the amount of carries Chris Brown got when Slaton was clearly the better back two seasons ago.

Now having a backfield of Foster, Slaton and Tate is a dream come true. How long have we waited to have one solid NFL quality back and now it appears we have three. Time will tell if we have a three headed monster, I hope we do.

gary
06-17-2010, 01:31 PM
Possibly four with one who might headed for the PS. LOL

Thorn
06-17-2010, 01:41 PM
I would love for option 4 to be true, and that's we have a three headed monster at RB. Can the Texans be so lucky though?

IDEXAN
06-17-2010, 01:45 PM
Foster once again makes my case that high-draft picks need not be wasted on running backs. Matter of fact I think this guy is actually undrafted ?
Prediction here - this guy is our starting back vs the Colts in the season
opener.

gary
06-17-2010, 01:48 PM
I see Chris or JJ being put on the PS just in case of an injury and Leach may get some carries as well.

gtexan02
06-17-2010, 01:54 PM
I hope Foster proves to have longer staying power than Lundy or Taylor or Moats.

I remember being super excited when Lundy was named the starter. He looked great in the offseason, then couldn't keep it up through the regular season.

Taylor was a messageboard favorite who dominated at the end of the year in 2006. I think he was way up on the depth chart come 2007, but never lived up to it.

We all remember Moats big potential and subsequent letdown.


I think Foster has a chance to be better than all of them, but I'm going to wait until the regular season to see what he can bring

badboy
06-17-2010, 01:55 PM
It's nice to see you post again TexMexMom. It's always good to have someone posting in here that has an inside perspective on something.

As to Foster being the starting RB, I'm glad to see him get a shot. I've always wanted him to have that shot, but folks, they didn't draft Tate for nothing. It will be an interesting battle at RB through the camps and pre-season. But come game 1, if Foster is still the starting RB, then:

1. Tate is still injured....OR

2. Foster is much better than the Texans and the rest of the NFL believed....OR

3. Tate's a bust at being picked in the 2nd round

We'll have to wait a while before we find out though.i am hoping to see a solid rotation among Arian, Steve and Ben keeping all fresh and running strong. I think Slaton's attempts may go down a bit but to see him on pitch outs, end arounds and some receptions that will allow him to utilize his speed. I also would like to see the draw play used this season. That could be a very effective weapon.

Element1337
06-17-2010, 02:03 PM
Foster once again makes my case that high-draft picks need not be wasted on running backs. Matter of fact I think this guy is actually undrafted ?
Prediction here - this guy is our starting back vs the Colts in the season
opener.

I don't see how that's a bold prediction. He's penciled in as the starter now.

A lot of people lost confidence in Steve after this past year. I've had the opportunity to see him in the early off season and then at a local appearance in May. He's in much better shape; he lost that bulk he thought he needed, but really hurt him (injury, performance, etc). I'm very confident Steve will return to his rookie form. I do like Arian and he showed the ability to run against good football teams, but Steve has an explosion factor Arian lacks while Arian has the size. Those writing off Tate as a 2nd round bust because of hamstring injuries prior to training camp are going overboard. I can't really comment on Tate as I haven't seen him play, but the tools are there. I'll have to wait until the preseason and a few regular season games to form an opinion.

In any case, I like the three backs, because to be an effective football team you need to run the ball well especially in the postseason. When the Giants won the super bowl they had earth, wind, and fire. Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and Ahmad Bradshaw. Now the Texans have Arian Foster, Steve Slaton, and Ben Tate...sounds like a formula for playoffs.

gary
06-17-2010, 02:05 PM
If Slaton runs anything like he did during his rookie season then the Texans might just finnally have a three or four headed attack.

Section516
06-17-2010, 02:10 PM
If Slaton runs anything like he did during his rookie season then the Texans might just finnally have a three or four headed attack.

What you talking about? We already have a three headed attack..

AJ...JJ..OD/KW..Maybe Holliday?

Oh..You meant on the ground..

We going to be a mo'fn hydra!
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll81/mydral1/hydra2.jpg

gary
06-17-2010, 02:12 PM
What you talking about? We already have a three headed attack..

AJ...JJ..OD/KW..Maybe Holliday?

Oh..You mean't on the ground..

We going to be a mo'fn hydra!
I do mean on the ground.

redwhiteANDblue
06-17-2010, 02:33 PM
I had a feeling he was going to be named starter. Infact I created a thread about it awhile back. :texflag:

HOU-TEX
06-17-2010, 02:36 PM
I see Chris or JJ being put on the PS just in case of an injury and Leach may get some carries as well.

You know Gary, I've been beating that drum for over 2 years now. I've yet to figure out why they don't hand the ball off to Leach every now and then. Especially with what we had last season. You can't tell me Leach couldn't pound the ball on those 3rd and short or goal line situations. Eh, maybe I'm being biased because he's in my beast club, but if we trust him to catch the ball why not let the big boy eat on running plays

gary
06-17-2010, 02:43 PM
You know Gary, I've been beating that drum for over 2 years now. I've yet to figure out why they don't hand the ball off to Leach every now and then. Especially with what we had last season. You can't tell me Leach couldn't pound the ball on those 3rd and short or goal line situations. Eh, maybe I'm being biased because he's in my beast club, but if we trust him to catch the ball why not let the big boy eat on running plays
The running game would be more interesting to me if Vonte were added to the mix.

HOU-TEX
06-17-2010, 02:49 PM
The running game would be more interesting to me if Vonte were added to the mix.

Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe he has issues taking a hand off? I don't know. :shrug:

gary
06-17-2010, 02:54 PM
Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe he has issues taking a hand off? I don't know. :shrug:
He has carried some before.

badboy
06-17-2010, 02:54 PM
Or 4. Tate is a rookie who is still learning the playbook and who to block when. Which as we all have seen is very important to Kubiak, rookie RBs do not play if they do not know who to block.

For an example, just look at the amount of carries Chris Brown got when Slaton was clearly the better back two seasons ago.

Now having a backfield of Foster, Slaton and Tate is a dream come true. How long have we waited to have one solid NFL quality back and now it appears we have three. Time will tell if we have a three headed monster, I hope we do.Running backs, wide receivers and linebackers look solid and deep. Now if we can do same for safeties and DTs and QB. We may have the guys, I just want verification.

badboy
06-17-2010, 02:58 PM
You know Gary, I've been beating that drum for over 2 years now. I've yet to figure out why they don't hand the ball off to Leach every now and then. Especially with what we had last season. You can't tell me Leach couldn't pound the ball on those 3rd and short or goal line situations. Eh, maybe I'm being biased because he's in my beast club, but if we trust him to catch the ball why not let the big boy eat on running playsI was told that Kubes wants Leach to block for the RB. Ok.... IMO I'd like to see Leach fake a block and slip past the line for a quick shuffle pass from Schaub.

infantrycak
06-17-2010, 03:01 PM
Yeah, I don't know why. Maybe he has issues taking a hand off? I don't know. :shrug:

He has carried some before.

What are you expecting Leach to add? In eight years in the league he has carried the ball 3 times. He doesn't have the acceleration of the HB's. He isn't going to cut to a ZBS hole. Dude is a wide load and at the goal line or 4th and 1 the holes are small. I don't get the hopes every season for him to run.

gary
06-17-2010, 03:13 PM
What are you expecting Leach to add? In eight years in the league he has carried the ball 3 times. He doesn't have the acceleration of the HB's. He isn't going to cut to a ZBS hole. Dude is a wide load and at the goal line or 4th and 1 the holes are small. I don't get the hopes every season for him to run.I am not having him make a huge impact but he might work on passing plays on the goal line and such. Three carries and has scored.

HOU-TEX
06-17-2010, 03:14 PM
What are you expecting Leach to add? In eight years in the league he has carried the ball 3 times. He doesn't have the acceleration of the HB's. He isn't going to cut to a ZBS hole. Dude is a wide load and at the goal line or 4th and 1 the holes are small. I don't get the hopes every season for him to run.

Handing off to the FB a hand full of times throughout the season could be a change of pace, possibly catching the opponent off-guard at times. What's wrong with that? Three carries for 3 yards and 2 TD's is a pretty good average and tells me he CAN get the 1 yard.

Why not give him a shot every once in a while? Especially with our failures last season?

gary
06-17-2010, 03:18 PM
Is three carries and two scores really enough to juge anyway?

beerlover
06-17-2010, 03:21 PM
Handing off to the FB a hand full of times throughout the season could be a change of pace, possibly catching the opponent off-guard at times. What's wrong with that? Three carries for 3 yards and 2 TD's is a pretty good average and tells me he CAN get the 1 yard.

Why not give him a shot every once in a while? Especially with our failures last season?

problem with that is Kubiak doesn't run a power scheme that really fits using a bruising FB like Leach in that capacity. its all about acceleration to hit the crease make one cut & downfield. Leach probably got more receptions than expected however because of lack of depth/weapons @ RB last year (20 for 155 yds) I thought his hands were softer than expected & something to keep going to if needed.

HOU-TEX
06-17-2010, 03:37 PM
Is three carries and two scores really enough to juge anyway?

Maybe not, but it's a pretty good average considering what we've seen the past couple years.

Hopefully all this is moot and the Oline and trio we now have can get the job done themselves

gary
06-17-2010, 03:42 PM
Maybe not, but it's a pretty good average considering what we've seen the past couple years.

Hopefully all this is moot and the Oline and trio we now have can get the job done themselvesYhea, I was just kind of talking about this in chatting.

CloakNNNdagger
06-17-2010, 04:37 PM
After watching last season's miserable Red Zone performance by our center, if he has to be in there at all, we wouldn't be any worse off putting Leach in there at Center and letting Myers try to run ihis butt in there.:mcnugget:

ObsiWan
06-17-2010, 04:57 PM
Or 4. Tate is a rookie who is still learning the playbook and who to block when. Which as we all have seen is very important to Kubiak, rookie RBs do not play if they do not know who to block.

For an example, just look at the amount of carries Chris Brown got when Slaton was clearly the better back two seasons ago.

Now having a backfield of Foster, Slaton and Tate is a dream come true. How long have we waited to have one solid NFL quality back and now it appears we have three. Time will tell if we have a three headed monster, I hope we do.

We have a winner!
:clap:

thunderkyss
06-17-2010, 05:10 PM
After watching last season's miserable Red Zone performance by our center, if he has to be in there at all, we wouldn't be any worse off putting Leach in there at Center and letting Myers try to run ihis butt in there.:mcnugget:

Have we ever seen our Redzone numbers from 2009?

Rey
06-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Handing off to the FB a hand full of times throughout the season could be a change of pace, possibly catching the opponent off-guard at times. What's wrong with that? Three carries for 3 yards and 2 TD's is a pretty good average and tells me he CAN get the 1 yard.

Why not give him a shot every once in a while? Especially with our failures last season?

Agreed.

I can see them not wanting to put the ball in the hands of someone not used to carrying it, but at the same time I think that is may atleast catch the defesne somewhat off guard and just add more versatility and randomness to our redzone offense.

Rey
06-17-2010, 05:19 PM
problem with that is Kubiak doesn't run a power scheme that really fits using a bruising FB like Leach in that capacity. its all about acceleration to hit the crease make one cut & downfield.

I think he's talking about using Leach in the redzone close to the goal line or in short yardage situations...

I doubt that the Texans use a lot of zone blocking when they need a yard or two for first or touch downs...

If they are, that would explain why they have been so terrible...

stingray
06-17-2010, 05:31 PM
Arian Nation!!!

drewmar74
06-17-2010, 05:34 PM
Arian Nation!!!

:facepalm:

gary
06-17-2010, 05:50 PM
I am not asking for Leach to save the day just to change the pace from time to time.

infantrycak
06-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Handing off to the FB a hand full of times throughout the season could be a change of pace, possibly catching the opponent off-guard at times. What's wrong with that? Three carries for 3 yards and 2 TD's is a pretty good average and tells me he CAN get the 1 yard.

Why not give him a shot every once in a while? Especially with our failures last season?

I have no problem with him taking the occasional surprise play role but it seems like folks have been advocating him in a larger role. That I don't agree with.

problem with that is Kubiak doesn't run a power scheme that really fits using a bruising FB like Leach in that capacity. its all about acceleration to hit the crease make one cut & downfield. Leach probably got more receptions than expected however because of lack of depth/weapons @ RB last year (20 for 155 yds) I thought his hands were softer than expected & something to keep going to if needed.

This.

gary
06-17-2010, 06:27 PM
I have no problem with him taking the occasional surprise play role but it seems like folks have been advocating him in a larger role. That I don't agree with. Not really a larger role just here or there when the D is not couning on it.

dinkatoid
06-17-2010, 06:50 PM
Well, for the sake of having a good draft, lets hope it is not number 3. I think this is one of the better things that could have happened honestly. Foster will give Tate some time to really get into the swing of things in the NFL and we will not loose any ground during that time. Then, no matter who wins the starting job by the time the post season rolls around (see what I did there), we will have a solid back up in case the worst happens and someone gets injured. It is always good to have depth at RB.

It has also been shown lately that a 3 headed RBBC is possible and can be very productive. The giants had 2 1k rushers, and bradshaw still had around 500 yards I want to say. Granted, we probably will not run anywhere near as much as they did, but it just goes to show we can give everyone the ball and use the strengths of all of our RBs.

2slik4u
06-17-2010, 07:21 PM
This guy definately deserves the starting spot the way he finished last season. Apparently he is impressing in camp as well building off that strong finish.

I think we're in for good things this year if Arian Foster has the starting role locked with the rest of the talent in the backfield.

We've seen what Slaton can do, we know what Tate did in college and the upside on him is tremendous. If Foster does his thing......we have that triple headed monster in the backfield that seems to be oh so successful in the NFL right now.

So I revert, if Foster is outshining the other two then we are in great shape...................

...................or are we...............I guess it depends on which you look at it.

Im a glass half full kind of guy myself.

Thorn
06-17-2010, 07:56 PM
I don't believe for a second Tate's a bust, I was just making a point of it. I think Tate is going to be a star. If Foster is good enough to keep Tate from starting, we are going to be awsome.

JB
06-17-2010, 07:58 PM
I think it is way too early to be putting any stock into who was with the one's during OTA's. And Adrian would be the first to tell you that.

thunderkyss
06-17-2010, 08:16 PM
I don't believe for a second Tate's a bust, I was just making a point of it. I think Tate is going to be a star. If Foster is good enough to keep Tate from starting, we are going to be awsome.

If Foster is nothing more than what we saw last year... pedestrian, but productive, and Kubiak sticks with him as our starter, I can't see how Slaton, Foster, and Tate won't try to make the most of every snap they get. Whether it is blocking, receiving, running, or decoying.

CloakNNNdagger
06-17-2010, 08:57 PM
Have we ever seen our Redzone numbers from 2009?


TK, I really had to dig for any info on Red Zone numbers. But here they are for 2008 and 2009, with some additional breakdown 2009 info. Look especially how we fared with the rest of our division in all parameters.

TEAM RANKINGS (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct)

thunderkyss
06-17-2010, 09:48 PM
Look especially how we fared with the rest of our division in all parameters.

TEAM RANKINGS (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct)

Why, this is my happy time....

The RZ% of the last three games look pretty damn damning...

I appreciate you finding this, but perhaps this should be another thread. I see a whole lot of stuff in there, I'd like to talk about.

CloakNNNdagger
06-17-2010, 09:52 PM
Why, this is my happy time....

The RZ% of the last three games look pretty damn damning...

I appreciate you finding this, but perhaps this should be another thread. I see a whole lot of stuff in there, I'd like to talk about.

Great comparison site, isn't it?

c10x
06-18-2010, 12:04 AM
Glad the Texans are starting to know what I've known since Madden 09 came out.

Foster as my starter. Slaton as my change up back.

If anyone plays on ps3, and thinks they have game, I'll be happy to crush ya! :evil:

barrett
06-18-2010, 12:53 AM
Glad the Texans are starting to know what I've known since Madden 09 came out.

Foster as my starter. Slaton as my change up back.

If anyone plays on ps3, and thinks they have game, I'll be happy to crush ya! :evil:

Not to mention Okoye is a monster and Pollard ... is not. (in the video game that is.) Quinn is a playmaker too in that game.

dalemurphy
06-18-2010, 01:44 AM
Not to mention Okoye is a monster and Pollard ... is not. (in the video game that is.) Quinn is a playmaker too in that game.

Barrett, we are going to need an XBox/PSIII for the RV this year!! Have you made those arrangements yet?

HOU-TEX
06-18-2010, 10:13 AM
I have no problem with him taking the occasional surprise play role but it seems like folks have been advocating him in a larger role. That I don't agree with.


Nah, just a handful of carries the entire year. While I DO think he can get us that infamous yard that was so damning for us this past season, I'd rather see him delivering pancake blocks to those that dare step into his path.

Maybe as many times as we see that dadgum reverse that hardly ever works any more.

gary
06-18-2010, 12:38 PM
Nah, just a handful of carries the entire year. While I DO think he can get us that infamous yard that was so damning for us this past season, I'd rather see him delivering pancake blocks to those that dare step into his path.

Maybe as many times as we see that dadgum reverse that hardly ever works any more.
I agree. And maybe have him run a short little out route in the Red Zone.

infantrycak
06-18-2010, 12:43 PM
I agree. And maybe have him run a short little out route in the Red Zone.

We've done that. He has 4 receiving TD's as a Texan.

gary
06-18-2010, 12:45 PM
We've done that. He has 4 receiving TD's as a Texan.
How many tries?

badboy
06-18-2010, 01:10 PM
Arian Nation!!!
"What you talking about, Willis?" in rememberance of the late Gary Coleman.

infantrycak
06-18-2010, 01:35 PM
How many tries?

Not aware of any stat for running a route in the red zone. Leach has definitely been part of their red zone passing though.

gary
06-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Not aware of any stat for running a route in the red zone. Leach has definitely been part of their red zone passing though.
How many times has Leach been thrown to in the Red Zone?

infantrycak
06-18-2010, 02:07 PM
How many times has Leach been thrown to in the Red Zone?

I'm not aware of a source that tracks attempts by yardage like that. My recollection is he has called most if not all the balls thrown to him in the red zone. Seems like most of his drops have been on our side of the 50. But that's just an impression.

gary
06-18-2010, 07:40 PM
I see. I know he four TD's but just wanted to know how many attemps he has had.

CloakNNNdagger
06-18-2010, 09:38 PM
Just looked through Leach's games one by one:

2007-1 rushing attempt in the RZ for 1 yd led to TD (Denver/Dec.); only 1 other non-RZ rushing attempt all year

2008-1 rushing attempt in the RZ for 1 yd led to TD (Oakland/Dec.); no other rushing attempts all year.

2009-no rushing attempts at all.

BTW, Green Bay never rushed him.

gary
06-18-2010, 09:49 PM
Just looked through Leach's games one by one:

2007-1 rushing attempt in the RZ for 1 yd led to TD (Denver/Dec.); only 1 other non-RZ rushing attempt all year

2008-2 rushing attempt in the RZ for 1 yd led to TD (Oakland/Dec.); no other rushing attempts all year.

2009-no rushing attempts at all.

BTW, Green Bay never rushed him.So, basically in 2007 and 2008 he convered his chanes.

CloakNNNdagger
06-18-2010, 10:01 PM
So, basically in 2007 and 2008 he convered his chanes.

Please note my correction in 2008...........there was only 1 RZ attempt (no other attempts).

gary
06-18-2010, 10:05 PM
Please note my correction in 2008...........there was only 1 RZ attempt (no other attempts).
Oh, ok.

HJam72
06-19-2010, 06:38 AM
His mother posted on here? I missed it. What was her username?

Foster Mama :fingergun:

beerlover
06-19-2010, 01:28 PM
I'll admit it was tough when I first started posting when Arian was a freshman at Tennessee. The UT fan base is very very passionate. But over the years, I learned not to take it too personally. It seems there are three types of posters on any message board....1) those who will try to kiss my arse because I'm Arian's mom, 2) those who will try to be combative because I'm Arian's mom and 3) those who just want to be civil and talk about football.

What you will find with me is I can usually take criticism pretty well. If I feel the need, I just step away from the computer! I know people get emotional about their team and this game so I understand it. I just think if it's all done fairly and as accurately as possible, it works. I enjoy a good healthy debate; I just don't like cheap shots.

In any case, I'm sure we'll be just fine. :bat:

:twocents:

Not just being a suck up, but negative posts targeting a specific player are callous. I suppose we're all quilty from time to time (nobody is perfect in heat of battle) but before posting something negative put yourself in the other guys shoes (players families too) how would you feel if someone was ripping you a new one while trying your best? Injurys are particualy frustrating because they are out of your control. I know a couple Texans players & families so I understand this dynamic, its not about sucking up its about being honest, fair, yet loyal. Best luck to Arian, yourself & family.

BL :texflag:

HJam72
06-19-2010, 03:14 PM
I won't bash 'im....'till he fumbles. :)

Ckw
06-19-2010, 11:46 PM
Well when I met Arian at All Access last year, I told him I expected him to come in and be apart of a 1-2 punch with Slaton. He seemed a bit shy about it as hardly anyone was going up to talk to him or get him to sign anything. Glad to see he is really showing something this year.

GuerillaBlack
06-20-2010, 11:16 AM
Arian Nation!!!

http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss22/jonconklin/thats_racist_animated1.gif

mexican_texan
06-21-2010, 11:53 PM
Has this interview been posted yet?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/q_and_a.asp?Q_AND_A_ID=80


Reading that and his twitter page has made me an Arian Foster fan. It's nice to see a professional athlete actually sound like he's well educated.

NitroGSXR
06-22-2010, 12:20 AM
Has this interview been posted yet?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/q_and_a.asp?Q_AND_A_ID=80


Reading that and his twitter page has made me an Arian Foster fan. It's nice to see a professional athlete actually sound like he's well educated.

And with that, the Doctor Samkon Gado memories come rushing back. Give me a RB. I don't care what his reading level is. As long as he's able to secure, advance, and punch the rock in. It's football, not an English composition class.

FWIW, I like Arian Foster but I'm not going to bet the farm on him. Not that I'm down on Foster but I'm too leery of the Texan's motives here...

drs23
06-22-2010, 01:22 AM
And with that, the Doctor Samkon Gado memories come rushing back. Give me a RB. I don't care what his reading level is. As long as he's able to secure, advance, and punch the rock in. It's football, not an English composition class.

FWIW, I like Arian Foster but I'm not going to bet the farm on him. Not that I'm down on Foster but I'm too leery of the Texan's motives here...

I'm not betting the farm on him either but sure liked what I saw when he had the "rock". GK might be have run him with the 1s during OTAs because he was there by default at the end of the season, or maybe he just is one of the 1s.

EDIT What are the Texans motives here?

JB
06-22-2010, 01:27 AM
I'm not betting the farm on him either but sure liked what I saw when he had the "rock". GK might be have run him with the 1s during OTAs because he was there by default at the end of the season, or maybe he just is one of the 1s.

EDIT What are the Texans motives here?

To put the best team possible on the field. Slaton is hurt, Tate is hurt. Who else should be running with the 1's? Henry?

drs23
06-22-2010, 01:31 AM
And with that, the Doctor Samkon Gado memories come rushing back. Give me a RB. I don't care what his reading level is. As long as he's able to secure, advance, and punch the rock in. It's football, not an English composition class.

FWIW, I like Arian Foster but I'm not going to bet the farm on him. Not that I'm down on Foster but I'm too leery of the Texan's motives here...

What motives?

NitroGSXR
06-22-2010, 01:43 AM
What motives?

Maybe motives wasn't the best word to use but to put it this way... our running game has always struggled. DDW got all those yards by default. He was decent but c'mon now, let's not enshrine him within the greats. Kubiak has a tendency to stick with the assigned hand rather than go with the "hot" hand.

Then we got all this injury lying thing done by the Texans and their RBs over the years. We have 2 high profile RBs injured right now in Slaton and Tate.

hadaad
06-22-2010, 11:05 AM
I'm going to have to disagree with you, Nitrohonda. Last year proved that you can't get five yards a carry by default. And our passing game was awesome last year.

When DDW was getting all those yards, our passing game was pathetic. They didn't have to respect anyone on that offense except AJ and DDW and Domanick still did the job.

He went out with a whimper, but Davis/Williams was a very good double threat when he played.

Mr teX
06-22-2010, 11:19 AM
i've said it all along, i liked him coming out despite having a down senior year & i like him in our backfield. Honestly i would prefer him & Tate to be our 1-2 punch in the running game & let Slaton be our 3rd down reggie bush-like decoy spread out wide or in motion out of the slot. we could then use him instead of Walter on those little toss sweeps in the red zone that kubes likes so much.

badboy
06-22-2010, 11:47 AM
To put the best team possible on the field. Slaton is hurt, Tate is hurt. Who else should be running with the 1's? Henry?Not to quibble but Kubiak has said Slaton will be 100 % game 1, if I'm not mistaken.

thunderkyss
06-22-2010, 12:02 PM
i've said it all along, i liked him coming out despite having a down senior year & i like him in our backfield. Honestly i would prefer him & Tate to be our 1-2 punch in the running game & let Slaton be our 3rd down reggie bush-like decoy spread out wide or in motion out of the slot. we could then use him instead of Walter on those little toss sweeps in the red zone that kubes likes so much.


With Jacoby Jones, David Anderson, and this Dickerson guy, not to mention OD, Dresson, & Casey... I don't want to see a RB, or Vontae Leach split out wide.

But I hope Foster starts at the beginning of the season. With Slaton having to prove he can hold the rock, and Tate being the new guy, I'd rather they flat out beat him for the spot during the regular season, when it counts. I think all three would give 100% every snap in this configuration.

JB
06-22-2010, 12:17 PM
Not to quibble but Kubiak has said Slaton will be 100 % game 1, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, I know that. But Slaton could not work out fully during OTA's so someone had to work with the 1's

NitroGSXR
06-22-2010, 12:21 PM
Not to quibble but Kubiak has said Slaton will be 100 % game 1, if I'm not mistaken.

:spit:

And you believe him? Why?

NitroGSXR
06-22-2010, 12:27 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you, Nitrohonda. Last year proved that you can't get five yards a carry by default. And our passing game was awesome last year.

When DDW was getting all those yards, our passing game was pathetic. They didn't have to respect anyone on that offense except AJ and DDW and Domanick still did the job.

He went out with a whimper, but Davis/Williams was a very good double threat when he played.

Not sure what you're disagreeing with? By default, I meant that he got many yards simply because we couldn't throw the ball. DDW was decent but not great.

Point of clarification... AJ wasn't feared back then. He was just another dude who plays WR in the NFL.

hadaad
06-22-2010, 12:37 PM
Nitro: He was the guy, but he was getting nearly 5 yards per carry, on a team that you agree didn't really have any other weapons. What were people going to do, but key on him? And he was still very successful. What I disagree with is that I think DDW was a lot better than you think he was.

gary
06-22-2010, 12:44 PM
The O line was not that good back then either.

El Tejano
06-22-2010, 01:32 PM
i've said it all along, i liked him coming out despite having a down senior year & i like him in our backfield. Honestly i would prefer him & Tate to be our 1-2 punch in the running game & let Slaton be our 3rd down reggie bush-like decoy spread out wide or in motion out of the slot. we could then use him instead of Walter on those little toss sweeps in the red zone that kubes likes so much.


I agree 100%. Even Steve Slaton has said in an interview before the season started last year that Arian Foster was the real deal. That tells me this guy has been doing this in practice for sometime, he just didn't get the blocking stuff down.

Can you imagine if we could have the ability to line up Slaton wide?

barrett
06-22-2010, 04:42 PM
Barrett, we are going to need an XBox/PSIII for the RV this year!! Have you made those arrangements yet?

yup.

no way to park the RV though because somebody screwed up their parking pass sale.

Mr teX
06-22-2010, 04:59 PM
With Jacoby Jones, David Anderson, and this Dickerson guy, not to mention OD, Dresson, & Casey... I don't want to see a RB, or Vontae Leach split out wide.

But I hope Foster starts at the beginning of the season. With Slaton having to prove he can hold the rock, and Tate being the new guy, I'd rather they flat out beat him for the spot during the regular season, when it counts. I think all three would give 100% every snap in this configuration.

It's not unusual for Kubes to keep 3 rbs on the roster so in all likelihood nothing would have to change but if need be, David Anderson, Andre Davis and Dressen are expendable so as to make sure there's a roster spot for all 3 imo.

Furthermore, i'd take slaton in a match up against a nickel cb or outside lb everyday and twice on sunday ..especially if he gets the ball in space.

thunderkyss
06-22-2010, 05:37 PM
It's not unusual for Kubes to keep 3 rbs on the roster so in all likelihood nothing would have to change but if need be, David Anderson, Andre Davis and Dressen are expendable so as to make sure there's a roster spot for all 3 imo.

Furthermore, i'd take slaton in a match up against a nickel cb or outside lb everyday and twice on sunday ..especially if he gets the ball in space.

My point, is I'd rather see Jacoby Jones or David Anderson on that nickel... or better yet, they motion outside of AJ, and the nickel ends up on AJ.

76Texan
06-22-2010, 07:11 PM
My point, is I'd rather see Jacoby Jones or David Anderson on that nickel... or better yet, they motion outside of AJ, and the nickel ends up on AJ.

It doesn't matter who they put out there.
As long as Schaub keeps doing what he was doing at year end, I'm totally confident that we will be nightmares for opposing coaches.

Our opponents really caught some breaks with a combination of things we started the year with:

- Pitts not quite 100%; Myers coming back early from a high-ankle sprain.
That did not help with the timing of the O-line as we begun the year.
- Rex Ryan throwing the sink at us, and our coaches and players weren't prepared.
- Injury to Pitts and Brisiel.
- Injury to O.D., injury to Slaton.
- A multitude of problems on the defensive end that did not help at all.
Again, the coaching problems to start the season would linger for at least 3 games.

Rey
06-22-2010, 09:07 PM
It's not unusual for Kubes to keep 3 rbs on the roster so in all likelihood nothing would have to change but if need be, David Anderson, Andre Davis and Dressen are expendable so as to make sure there's a roster spot for all 3 imo.

Furthermore, i'd take slaton in a match up against a nickel cb or outside lb everyday and twice on sunday ..especially if he gets the ball in space.

Honestly, I think that the Texans want to keep Dreesen...Owen Daniels is not a lock to come back in and pick up where he left off, plus his future with the Texans is up in the air because of his contract issues...

I've said it before, but I would not be upset at all if they decided to trade Owen before the season started for a Good DT even though its unlikely...

CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2010, 10:50 PM
Honestly, I think that the Texans want to keep Dreesen...Owen Daniels is not a lock to come back in and pick up where he left off, plus his future with the Texans is up in the air because of his contract issues...

I've said it before, but I would not be upset at all if they decided to trade Owen before the season started for a Good DT even though its unlikely...


That's also in the unlikely event that they can even recognize a Good DT.

ATXtexanfan
06-22-2010, 11:05 PM
Honestly, I think that the Texans want to keep Dreesen...Owen Daniels is not a lock to come back in and pick up where he left off, plus his future with the Texans is up in the air because of his contract issues...

I've said it before, but I would not be upset at all if they decided to trade Owen before the season started for a Good DT even though its unlikely...

trade OD for a DT, lmfao. really.

Rey
06-23-2010, 01:59 AM
trade OD for a DT, lmfao. really.

Yeah...I don't know how trading contracts work in the nfl but I would trade him for haynesworth. I know the skins have a good te but od knows the system and he'd be another weapon for them. Al would be pissed off (and hopefully motivated).
Hed also be glad to get back to a 43.

Carr Bombed
06-23-2010, 02:30 AM
Not sure what you're disagreeing with? By default, I meant that he got many yards simply because we couldn't throw the ball. DDW was decent but not great.

Point of clarification... AJ wasn't feared back then. He was just another dude who plays WR in the NFL.

DD had the best vision and balance this team has ever seen at the RB position. (and still would be today if he was healthy) If he had above average speed he would've been a superstar. It's a shame his knee didn't hold up and I don't think you're giving him enough credit. When he was healthy he was a TD machine and was productive as hell. (He had 1,776 all purpose yards and 17 TDs before injuries started to take their toll...the guy was alot better than just "decent") AJ was feared, but not nearly like he is today. Even with AJ, people didn't fear our passing game....because we really didn't have one. David Carr sucked and the line was terrible (horrible mix) and teams knew all they had to do was take away Carr's first option and he wouldn't be able to progress through his reads) DD was the cog that made this offense go back then, not AJ.

DD was a beast in the passing game and on the ground....he was the player defenses were keying to stop and I'm really glad he got his big pay day even though he flamed out right after getting it. One of the reasons why I think he didn't hold up is because Houston flat out leaned on him too much and with the crappy offensive line, he took a beating.

NitroGSXR
06-23-2010, 03:06 AM
DD had the best vision and balance this team has ever seen at the RB position. (and still would be today if he was healthy) If he had above average speed he would've been a superstar. It's a shame his knee didn't hold up and I don't think you're giving him enough credit. When he was healthy he was a TD machine and was productive as hell. (He had 1,776 all purpose yards and 17 TDs before injuries started to take their toll...the guy was alot better than just "decent") AJ was feared, but not nearly like he is today. Even with AJ, people didn't fear our passing game....because we really didn't have one. David Carr sucked and the line was terrible (horrible mix) and teams knew all they had to do was take away Carr's first option and he wouldn't be able to progress through his reads) DD was the cog that made this offense go back then, not AJ.

DD was a beast in the passing game and on the ground....he was the player defenses were keying to stop.
Wrong. The RB with the best vision and balance to play for the Texans was Ahhh-man Green. His knee didn't hold up for us either but since you're playing the "what if" game then I gotta go with Green. At least Green had an extremely productive career to base assertations off on. DDW broke down immediately like most RBs. Beast in the passing game? Catching all those 2 yard passes? Right. I liken DDW to Slaton and Slaton's rookie season has got him beat and he had to share the rock with our vicious passing game. DDW knew he was getting the ball. He did not have to share it with anybody.

AJ has never been the sole cog that makes this offense go. Not even today. AJ and Schaub goes well together like peanut butter and jelly is the best way to describe it. AJ's the best of the best but TDs and first downs are what it's all about. DDW was that cog. We all knew it. DDW knew it and defenses knew it too.

Damn right, it's a shame that he broke down just like your average football player. Typical.

Carr Bombed
06-23-2010, 04:11 AM
Wrong. The RB with the best vision and balance to play for the Texans was Ahhh-man Green. His knee didn't hold up for us either but since you're playing the "what if" game then I gotta go with Green. At least Green had an extremely productive career to base assertations off on. DDW broke down immediately like most RBs. Beast in the passing game? Catching all those 2 yard passes? Right. I liken DDW to Slaton and Slaton's rookie season has got him beat and he had to share the rock with our vicious passing game. DDW knew he was getting the ball. He did not have to share it with anybody.

AJ has never been the sole cog that makes this offense go. Not even today. AJ and Schaub goes well together like peanut butter and jelly is the best way to describe it. AJ's the best of the best but TDs and first downs are what it's all about. DDW was that cog. We all knew it. DDW knew it and defenses knew it too.

Damn right, it's a shame that he broke down just like your average football player. Typical.


Green had his productive years with another team....He did absolutely NOTHING here. He wasn't close to being the player here that DD was when he was healthy, so no....Ahman Green is not even in the discussion.

Also AJ is the cog here now and also.......you can't look at Slaton's rookie season and assume that he had it tougher, because he had to complete with "sharing the load". That is something DD would've gladly liked to of enjoyed. One thing Slaton didn't have to deal with was the constant 3 & outs/ineptitude of this offense due to a inept QB/team (which took away offensive touches) or a team that rarely ranked near the top of red zone opportunities...

You put a healthy DD on this team the last two seasons and Houston is easily in the playoffs. He would've been GREAT in this one cut and go system, because this system fit he style perfectly.

DD was by far a better blocker than Slaton, had better vision than Slaton, was a better pass catcher than Slaton, and had some of the best balance that I've seen at this level (his real unique talent...the guy had awesome balance and rarely did he have a clean hole to run through, instead he would take big hits and bounce off tacklers and pick up extra yards regularly. I would LOVE to see the production he could put up in this offense we now have today.)...and finally one of the best things DD had over any other RB that has ever played on this team and the reason why I say he would've put Houston in the playoffs during the last two season was his nose for the endzone and his short yardage running skills. All those short yardage/redzone failures that have killed us over the last two seasons, wouldn't of happened with a healthy DD. That guy was awesome at finding a hole to squirt through.

The only thing Slaton has over a healthy DD is top end speed (which is something Slaton lost with his increased weight....a weight DD played at and was highly productive at due to his other advantages over Slaton)

You really aren't giving DD his due here.......I'd gladly trade everybody that we currently have at the RB position on this roster if you could give me one DD and guarantee that he would stay healthy. He was a all around RB who's strengths fit this system to a tee....(strengths that we're currently trying to suit up 3 RBs to fill) and at one time had the national media comparing Carr, Johnson, and Davis to Aikman, Irvin, and Smith.

P.S

Let me end this post with saying I'm a Slaton fan and a huge Foster fan.......I supported Foster before last season even started. As for Tate, I'll wait to see what he can do, but I don't like the early hamstring injuries. I hope one of those players can step up and give us half of what DD gave us in 2004.

thunderkyss
06-23-2010, 08:13 AM
You really aren't giving DD his due here.......I'd gladly trade everybody that we currently have at the RB position on this roster if you could give me one DD and guarantee that he would stay healthy. He was a all around RB who's strengths fit this system to a tee....(strengths that were currently trying to suit up 3 RBs to fill) and at one time had the national media comparing Carr, Johnson, and Davis to Aikman, Irvin, and Smith.

Agreed.


P.S
As for Tate, I'll wait to see what he can do, but I don't like the early hamstring injuries. I hope one of those players can step up and give us half of what DD gave us in 2004.

I hope our coaches don't try to rush him into playing, because he was a 2nd round pick. Foster & Slaton should be sufficient to start the season, put Tate on the PUP if you have to, IMHO, and go with Jeremiah Johnson or Chris Henry in the meantime.


I've got a feeling, we're going to need a healthy Ben Tate more in the second half of the season, than the first.

Mr teX
06-23-2010, 10:52 AM
My point, is I'd rather see Jacoby Jones or David Anderson on that nickel... or better yet, they motion outside of AJ, and the nickel ends up on AJ.

IMO JJ in the slot = Slaton in the slot; maybe JJ with a slight edge.

But SS in the slot > DA imo.

thunderkyss
06-23-2010, 01:25 PM
IMO JJ in the slot = Slaton in the slot; maybe JJ with a slight edge.

But SS in the slot > DA imo.
IMHO, you only want to do that, if that creates a mis-match.

SS on a nickel corner is not a mismatch in our favor. He doesn't have the size, or the speed to beat a nickel corner.

I can't think of one formation/package we could put on the field, that would dictate a nickel corner that would be matched up on SS.

badboy
06-23-2010, 02:16 PM
:spit:

And you believe him? Why?Player News (last updated: June 22, 2010)
News: Slaton (neck) will be checked out by doctors in two weeks, the Texans' official site reports.
Spin: All the offseason reports on Slaton's neck have been positive and he's expected to be a full participant in training camp. He was a limited participant during organized team activities. "If they cut him loose, we'll go to work," Houston head coach Gary Kubiak said. "We need to get his confidence back about getting hit and stuff."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11323

badboy
06-23-2010, 02:27 PM
It's not unusual for Kubes to keep 3 rbs on the roster so in all likelihood nothing would have to change but if need be, David Anderson, Andre Davis and Dressen are expendable so as to make sure there's a roster spot for all 3 imo.

Furthermore, i'd take slaton in a match up against a nickel cb or outside lb everyday and twice on sunday ..especially if he gets the ball in space.Slaton has 4.45 speed. I'd put him up against a nickle CB.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=RB&draftyear=2008&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC&startspot=10

Mr teX
06-23-2010, 03:16 PM
IMHO, you only want to do that, if that creates a mis-match.

SS on a nickel corner is not a mismatch in our favor. He doesn't have the size, or the speed to beat a nickel corner.

I can't think of one formation/package we could put on the field, that would dictate a nickel corner that would be matched up on SS.

You're forgeting that he was originally drafted to be a 3rd down back which necessitates about 10-12 touches max.

SS is not only a threat to catch the ball but showed his rookie year he can run the ball pretty effectively too. Since he is a rb by position, he is also more likely to make the 1st guy coming to tackle him miss or even break the tackle. If he's out wide, this would likely be a cb & you could use him like he is here at 1.15 into the video and on numerous screens there after. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8137f296/WK-6-Steve-Slaton-highlights.

keep in mind, that was a STARTING cb he did that to. DA is nice nitch guy, but he's not taking anything to the house & noone fears him......at all.

Another play would be the formation that we use with walter where he motions out of the slot into the backfield for the toss sweep. His speed would also be beneficial in reverses. Of course you sprinkle his touches with straight running plays out of the backfield but the overall objective is to get him 6-10 touches where he is primarily in space & let him do what he did best at WVU.

barrett
06-23-2010, 05:03 PM
Player News (last updated: June 22, 2010)
News: Slaton (neck) will be checked out by doctors in two weeks, the Texans' official site reports.
Spin: All the offseason reports on Slaton's neck have been positive and he's expected to be a full participant in training camp. He was a limited participant during organized team activities. "If they cut him loose, we'll go to work," Houston head coach Gary Kubiak said. "We need to get his confidence back about getting hit and stuff."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11323


I like that "news" / "spin" feature they've got going over there at espn.

CloakNNNdagger
06-23-2010, 05:26 PM
I like that "news" / "spin" feature they've got going over there at espn.

Sort of a condensed variation of Florio's PFT info.

barrett
06-23-2010, 05:48 PM
which I check like, I dunno, 40 times a day.

thunderkyss
06-23-2010, 06:27 PM
You're forgeting that he was originally drafted to be a 3rd down back which necessitates about 10-12 touches max.


My mistake. I thought you meant to put him on the line of scrimmage, lined up against a cb...

Getting SS the ball in space, like your traditional 3rd round back... of course he's going to do what he's going to do.

TimeKiller
06-23-2010, 11:29 PM
C'mon....Slaton's good on screens where he can catch and turn with a blocker or two, make something happen with his decent speed but not lining up as a receiver to run routes. I don't think he has the hands or willingness to get hit to do that.

Definitely pumped about the competition at RB though. Every guy has a case to make.

b0ng
06-24-2010, 12:09 AM
Slaton rules when we use him as a pass catcher on a few plays a game, but it's not something you want to relegate him to. If Slaton is up to snuff and can take punishment (Totally up for debate as of now) then he's the guy until proven otherwise. Foster is pretty good for what he was given at the end of the season, but there is a combination of playing teams that didn't care (Patriots) and he still really didn't do much with passes.

Slaton provides the necessary weapon we would want on all three downs, but his surgery and all the question marks surrounding make him unreliable to go into the season as a #1.

Tate better be the man, because if we are going with Foster, I don't know if we are going to have that awesome screen/pass catching ability that we saw with Slaton in 2008.

HOU-TEX
06-24-2010, 10:04 AM
My mistake. I thought you meant to put him on the line of scrimmage, lined up against a cb...

Getting SS the ball in space, like your traditional 3rd round back... of course he's going to do what he's going to do.

Fumble?

It's going to be nice using Slaton for what he was drafted for, rather than take the pounding of an every down back.

Mr teX
06-24-2010, 11:24 AM
Slaton rules when we use him as a pass catcher on a few plays a game, but it's not something you want to relegate him to. If Slaton is up to snuff and can take punishment (Totally up for debate as of now) then he's the guy until proven otherwise. Foster is pretty good for what he was given at the end of the season, but there is a combination of playing teams that didn't care (Patriots) and he still really didn't do much with passes.

Slaton provides the necessary weapon we would want on all three downs, but his surgery and all the question marks surrounding make him unreliable to go into the season as a #1.

Tate better be the man, because if we are going with Foster, I don't know if we are going to have that awesome screen/pass catching ability that we saw with Slaton in 2008.


I don't think that kubes has ever thought that was the case with him imo. Sure his rookie year he carried the load but that was out of necessity not b/c kubes wanted to. Remember, he didn't start for the 1st few games. Then Green & Brown went down & he stepped up nicely. Then last year, he regressed running the ball but still showed promise in the pass game. He doesn't push piles which is what you need in this league from a rb to wear down your opponents during "winning time".

& i'm not saying he should be running fly routes nor am i saying he should be lined up out of the backfield more often than he is lining up behind the quarterback. I do however believe he needs to be split out for 50% of his touches on bubble screens, quick slants & curls & i think it's a fair trade off of having him & Foster/Tate on the field at the same time vs. having Davis/Anderson/Dressen and only 1 of our 3 backs on the field. Bottom line is our 3 rb's have more potential as playmakers on any given play than Anderson, Davis and Dressen.

beerlover
07-14-2010, 06:49 AM
this caught my eye http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6219

Spotlight on: Arian Foster
Coaches' commentary
"Arian possesses size. He's a 225-, 230-pound back, so he's a bigger back, quite naturally larger than Steve (Slaton), and he showed significant power in the games he played in the last part of the season. I think he's developed a lot of confidence that he can run between tackles, and he also has enough speed to get outside. He has a feel for pass protection. Very smart, and he adjusts real well on the run."
- Running backs coach Chick Harris

kinda reminds me a little of Chris Brown when he was in Tennessee

thunderkyss
07-14-2010, 08:55 AM
this caught my eye http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6219



This Caught my eye. (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/13294/arian_foster_requests_this_press_conference_only_b e_conducted_in_pterodactyl,_please)
The Tennessee starting tailback, a senior on the verge of becoming UT's all-time leading rusher, was requested for media interviews. He had a demand: whoever interviewed him had to speak Pterodactyl, some made-up dinosaur language.

No interview was conducted.

It was kind of funny and it fit Foster's quirky personality. But considering the environment and Foster's recent demeanor, it quickly became sad.

"Veeeeek! Veeeeek! Veeeeek!" Foster shrieked.

Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/13294/arian_foster_requests_this_press_conference_only_b e_conducted_in_pterodactyl,_please#ixzz0tf2NnkUm


http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20081007/99046.jpg

TimeKiller
07-14-2010, 09:09 AM
Funny, I used to do a good Velociraptor impression.

Right up until I tried to climb a brick wall with those tiny arms hahaha....it ended well. Bloody well.

mexican_texan
07-18-2010, 02:05 AM
This Caught my eye. (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/13294/arian_foster_requests_this_press_conference_only_b e_conducted_in_pterodactyl,_please)


http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20081007/99046.jpg
I think he and I would get along well.

Wolf
07-18-2010, 11:09 PM
Arian Foster may start for Houston in only his second NFL season

We loved to hate him when he wore Tennessee orange, but now Arian Foster is confounding the naysayers as he rushes Ė not fumbles Ė toward a starting job with the NFLís Houston Texans in 2010.

Itís not a done deal by any means. The undrafted Foster must still beat out the oft-injured Steve Slaton and second round draft pick Ben Tate (who rushed for more than 128 yards against the Vols last season while at Auburn). In fact, many believe that Tate may be the favorite to start despite his inexperience.


http://www.examiner.com/x-18381-Tennessee-Volunteers-Examiner~y2010m7d18-Arian-Foster-may-start-for-Houston-in-only-his-second-NFL-season?cid=exrss-Tennessee-Volunteers-Examiner

TheRealJoker
07-19-2010, 02:55 PM
I am excited that Foster is providing legitimate competition rather than making it easy for the coaches to decide on the RB depth chart. If Foster is playing like a starter and Tate plays up to expectations, then we have some quality depth in the backfield which will allow Kubiak to run the ball 30-35 times against the Colts!!!

I want to see Slaton in the role he was in against the Bengals, all of next season. With our OL's athleticism and his ability in space, he'll be a very potent weapon for our offense if we can get him 10 touches a game in the open field.