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MojoMan
06-16-2010, 04:49 PM
Anyone heard anything lately about the offseason activities of starting Left Tackle Duane Brown? He has continued to progress over the last two years, and he has not been bad at all. However, it would be nice to see him step up to the next level this coming season. I would love to hear that he has been really working out hard in the weight room and getting stronger, as this is definitely a key area that he would do well to improve in.

In any case, Left Tackle is an incredibly important position on this football team, which makes Duane Brown and incredibly important player for this football team. Anyone have any insight into what he has been up to, or what we can look forward to this upcoming season?

Honoring Earl 34
06-16-2010, 05:02 PM
Anyone heard anything lately about the offseason activities of starting Left Tackle Duane Brown? He has continued to progress over the last two years, and he has not been bad at all. However, it would be nice to see him step up to the next level this coming season. I would love to hear that he has been really working out hard in the weight room and getting stronger, as this is definitely a key area that he would do well to improve in.

In any case, Left Tackle is an incredibly important position on this football team, which makes Duane Brown and incredibly important player for this football team. Anyone have any insight into what he has been up to, or what we can look forward to this upcoming season?

I think I remember hearing that he dropped weight to get quicker . To me , no news is good news with him or most vets .

Corrosion
06-16-2010, 06:01 PM
I think I remember hearing that he dropped weight to get quicker . To me , no news is good news with him or most vets .

Thats what I was thinking , when it comes to the OL , no news is good news. If we are talking about OL .... Something's probably not right or someone's playing poorly.

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2010, 06:45 PM
Anyone heard anything lately about the offseason activities of starting Left Tackle Duane Brown? He has continued to progress over the last two years, and he has not been bad at all. However, it would be nice to see him step up to the next level this coming season. I would love to hear that he has been really working out hard in the weight room and getting stronger, as this is definitely a key area that he would do well to improve in.

In any case, Left Tackle is an incredibly important position on this football team, which makes Duane Brown and incredibly important player for this football team. Anyone have any insight into what he has been up to, or what we can look forward to this upcoming season?

It has been said that Brown hasn't been able to perform his best and take it to the next level because of spotty LG support. He has overall held down the fort. But he has had his weaknesses exposed often enough. This year, we should have an improved LG support that will no longer give Brown much leeway for excuses for not attaining next level status.

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2010, 07:14 PM
I think I remember hearing that he dropped weight to get quicker . To me , no news is good news with him or most vets .

We haven't really been told how much weight he has lost. In his rookie year, he came into TC weighing 20 pounds heavier than the 310 pounds the Texans wanted. He never got past 315........and played that weight last year. The reason Kubiak wanted him down in weight is because he had so many problems against the speed rushers. They questioned his lateral quickness. This was especially evident in the 2 Colts games where he was dinged with
9 of his 36 pressures allowed and 3 of his 7 sacks allowed. It is to be seen if he will keep his weight down, and if he does, if he gains that lateral quickness........and, of course, while gaining not losing strength. Remember, Kubiak emphasizing earlier this year that, if we were to go further, both OL had to "play stronger?"

b0ng
06-16-2010, 07:19 PM
Really Brown needs to tighten up against Freeney. I don't think he's ever going to be a top tier elite tackle, but he definitely does a great job protecting the blindside (Just not against Dwight Freeney).

JB
06-16-2010, 07:46 PM
Really Brown needs to tighten up against Freeney. I don't think he's ever going to be a top tier elite tackle, but he definitely does a great job protecting the blindside (Just not against Dwight Freeney).

Not too many LT do a great job against Freeney. That's why he goes to the pro bowl every year.

alphajoker
06-16-2010, 07:48 PM
We haven't really been told how much weight he has lost. In his rookie year, he came into TC weighing 20 pounds heavier than the 310 pounds the Texans wanted. He never got past 315........and played that weight last year. The reason Kubiak wanted him down in weight is because he had so many problems against the speed rushers. They questioned his lateral quickness. This was especially evident in the 2 Colts games where he was dinged with
9 of his 36 pressures allowed and 3 of his 7 sacks allowed. It is to be seen if he will keep his weight down, and if he does, if he gains that lateral quickness........and, of course, while gaining not losing strength. Remember, Kubiak emphasizing earlier this year that, if we were to go further, both OL had to "play stronger?"

Do you have a link for that info? I'm not questioning you, just thought it would be interesting to see stats like that for OL.

Lucky
06-16-2010, 08:08 PM
Duane Brown will have some serious challenges this season.

Dwight Freeney (twice)
Brian Orakpo
DeMarcus Ware
Kamerion Wimbley
Osi Umenyiora
Tamba Hali
Shawne Merriman
Aaron Kampman (twice)
Calvin Pace
Derrick Morgan (twice)
Terrell Suggs
Trent Cole
Elvis Dumervil

Brown needs to get in the best shape of his life and study tape more than ever. Matt Schaub's health depends on it.

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2010, 09:11 PM
Do you have a link for that info? I'm not questioning you, just thought it would be interesting to see stats like that for OL.

Sacks Allowed 7 http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

I'm still looking for the source of the 36 pressures number.

alphajoker
06-16-2010, 09:17 PM
Sacks Allowed 7 http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

I'm still looking for the source of the 36 pressures number.

No worries man, don't strain yourself looking to prove to me. I was just wanting to see other individual stats like these that you don't normally see on the major sports site, i.e., nfl and espn

JB
06-16-2010, 09:18 PM
Sacks Allowed 7 http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

I'm still looking for the source of the 36 pressures number.

Very interesting to note that the 7 sacks allowed was in the first 9 weeks. And also that the median time was 3.6 seconds. IMO, if the QB is given 3.5 seconds the OL has done their job. After that, it is on the QB.

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2010, 09:45 PM
No worries man, don't strain yourself looking to prove to me. I was just wanting to see other individual stats like these that you don't normally see on the major sports site, i.e., nfl and espn

Finally found it (http://www.battleredblog.com/2010/5/27/1487825/ota-link-news-round-up-ii-the?ref=CBS):


We have news of another Texans who lost weight: LT Duane Brown. Why is this newsworthy? Well, Duane Brown did show improvement last season (I know Rivers is saying that it's hard not to show improvement when you were so bad in your rookie year), but his main weakness continues to be was Indianapolis and their speed rushers. He gave up 3 of his 7 sacks to Indy along with 9 of his 36 pressures allowed so it's the biggest area where he needs to improve.

Rey
06-16-2010, 09:56 PM
Very interesting to note that the 7 sacks allowed was in the first 9 weeks. And also that the median time was 3.6 seconds. IMO, if the QB is given 3.5 seconds the OL has done their job. After that, it is on the QB.

I read somewhere a while ago that the sacks we gave up as a team avg out to be somewhere around the 3.6 number you mention...

I think what I read also said that the sacks Matt took avg out to be some of the longest if not the longest times holding the ball...

JB
06-16-2010, 10:00 PM
I read somewhere a while ago that the sacks we gave up as a team avg out to be somewhere around the 3.6 number you mention...

I think what I read also said that the sacks Matt took avg out to be some of the longest if not the longest times holding the ball...

I would be really interested if we could find the other side of the coin. Our pass defense was not all that good and the sack total was low, but I think our pressure time was pretty good. Our cb's (read DR mostly) was just not able to cover for 3.5 seconds. Or even 3.

MojoMan
06-16-2010, 10:08 PM
Sacks Allowed 7 http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/13/between-the-lines-whos-allowing-the-most-sacks/

I'm still looking for the source of the 36 pressures number.

Thanks for the great links and great information.

Of course the pass rushing ability of the LT is crucial, and it is at that point of the game that a great LT earns his pay. So I am very interested in all the insight I can get into that aspect of Duane Brown's play.

However, the Texans led the NFL in passing last year, but continue to struggle with their running game. Chester Pitts going out was a big loss, but surely all of our running woes cannot be attributed to our injured guards. The Texans have two starting tackles that they appear to be content with at a minimum, with Eric Winston probably being regarded as the better of the two at this time.

Does anyone have a good sense about how strong of a run blocker Duane Brown is, and what he needs to do to improve his run blocking?

Honoring Earl 34
06-16-2010, 10:33 PM
Thanks for the great links and great information.

Of course the pass rushing ability of the LT is crucial, and it is at that point of the game that a great LT earns his pay. So I am very interested in all the insight I can get into that aspect of Duane Brown's play.

However, the Texans led the NFL in passing last year, but continue to struggle with their running game. Chester Pitts going out was a big loss, but surely all of our running woes cannot be attributed to our injured guards. The Texans have two starting tackles that they appear to be content with at a minimum, with Eric Winston probably being regarded as the better of the two at this time.

Does anyone have a good sense about how strong of a run blocker Duane Brown is, and what he needs to do to improve his run blocking?

http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/05/texans_offensive_line_numbers.html

Duane Brown - 129 Point of Attack (POA) attempts (a POA attempt being credited to a lineman whenever they are blocking at the point of attack where the running back started upfield on his run), 569 yards (i.e. how many yards the ballcarriers gained on runs where Brown blocked), 4.4 yards per attempt (YPA), 113 POA wins (i.e. how many times Brown moved the defender out of the way to give the RB room to run - there is a lot more to it than that but that it the general explanation), 87.6% POA win rate (i.e. the percentage of times that Brown won his POA block)

CloakNNNdagger
06-16-2010, 10:35 PM
Brown was a better pass blocker than run blocker (see Cumulative Tackle Summary below)

Guys, for those that love sophisticated and hard-to-find formula-based statistics, you'll love knocking your heads against this web site.

ProfootballFocus.com

Cumulative Tackle Summary (http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1)

Pass Blocking Productivity - Part 1 (http://profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=122)

Pass Rushing Productivity (http://profootballfocus.com/articles.php?tab=articles&arc=&id=92)

MojoMan
06-16-2010, 10:52 PM
Brown was a better pass blocker than run blocker (see Cumulative Tackle Summary below)

Guys, for those that love sophisticated and hard-to-find formula-based statistics, you'll love knocking your heads against this web site.

ProfootballFocus.com

Cumulative Tackle Summary (http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=T&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1)

Pardon my ignorance, but what do these numbers tell us? The following two lines are the stat lines ffor Brown and Winston from Cumulative Tackle Summary at the ProFootballFocus link above. Thanks for any insight you can provide.

# Pos. Name Team Snaps Ovrall Pass Screen Run Pen #Pen QBSk QBHt QBPr
LT (0), RT (16) Eric Winston HST 1084 4.6 8.4 3.0 -3.8 -3.0 3-0 5 7 19
LT (16), RT (0) Duane Brown HST 1055 -15.0 -12.2 2.0 3.2 -8.0 8-1 7 11 35

CloakNNNdagger
06-17-2010, 07:03 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what do these numbers tell us? The following two lines are the stat lines ffor Brown and Winston from Cumulative Tackle Summary at the ProFootballFocus link above. Thanks for any insight you can provide.



# Pos. Name Team Snaps Ovrall Pass Screen Run Pen #Pen QBSk QBHt QBPr
LT (0), RT (16) Eric Winston HST 1084 4.6 8.4 3.0 -3.8 -3.0 3-0 5 7 19
LT (16), RT (0) Duane Brown HST 1055 -15.0 -12.2 2.0 3.2 -8.0 8-1 7 11 35

Actually, by these numbers, Winston was a better pass blocker than a run blocker (the green and more positive, the better; the red and more negative, the worse; sacks allowed, qb hits allowed, qb pressures allowed are listed in the right most columns) and Brown a better run blocker than pass blocker (I correct myself).
In these overall ratings of the 77 OTs, Winston rated 15th..........and Brown 60th (not very impressive).

Maddict5
06-17-2010, 07:19 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what do these numbers tell us? The following two lines are the stat lines ffor Brown and Winston from Cumulative Tackle Summary at the ProFootballFocus link above. Thanks for any insight you can provide.


they grade every single play using a +-2 rating (at .5 intervals i think) with a -2 being a horrendous play (e.g. im guessing myers got a -1,-1.5 or -2 when jenkins clubbed him over) and +2 being an awesome play (again im guessing myers got a +1, 1.5 or 2 when blocking 3 or 4 players on arian fosters td run v miami). 0 represents an average play where the OL didnt do anything good or bad

therefore the ratings are somewhat subjective but are still pretty worthwhile. it would be nice if they had a breakdown of scoring on individual plays though just to see an example of each score

2slik4u
06-17-2010, 09:22 AM
Anyone heard anything lately about the offseason activities of starting Left Tackle Duane Brown? He has continued to progress over the last two years, and he has not been bad at all. However, it would be nice to see him step up to the next level this coming season. I would love to hear that he has been really working out hard in the weight room and getting stronger, as this is definitely a key area that he would do well to improve in.

In any case, Left Tackle is an incredibly important position on this football team, which makes Duane Brown and incredibly important player for this football team. Anyone have any insight into what he has been up to, or what we can look forward to this upcoming season?

In the words of the lynchman on Robin Hood:Men in Tights --- "No noose is good noose!"

badboy
06-17-2010, 10:01 AM
Tate and a revitalized Slaton will be the thing that most improves Brown and Schaub.