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Heath Shuler
06-10-2010, 11:06 AM
NCAA hands USC two-year bowl game ban, major scholarship reduction in football

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/09/sports/la-sp-usc-20100610

A two-year bowl ban and a loss of more than 20 football scholarships are among the sanctions that the NCAA has dealt USC, a source with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

The NCAA, the governing body for collegiate sports, informed USC of its decision after a four-year investigation regarding allegations centered on former football player Reggie Bush and former basketball player O.J. Mayo. The NCAA could make its decision public as early as today.

Pete must be Nostradamus

rmartin65
06-10-2010, 11:07 AM
Holy shit, thats harsh. Good though, they deserve it.

b0ng
06-10-2010, 11:08 AM
And USC is done. And I was looking forward to a heated rivalry between USC and UT, OU, and TTU. Oh well at least they have Lane Kiffin!

WWJD
06-10-2010, 11:11 AM
Why did it take 4 years to hash all this out?

Dutchrudder
06-10-2010, 11:14 AM
Looks like the Big 12 South will still be the dominant division regardless of what conference they go to...

b0ng
06-10-2010, 11:22 AM
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ynrnrm.gif

dc_txtech
06-10-2010, 03:13 PM
bout time

The1ApplePie
06-10-2010, 03:18 PM
So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?:mcnugget:

IDEXAN
06-10-2010, 03:49 PM
ESPN reporting that what Reggie Bush did was what basically what brought the whole football program down. I hope he's stripped of the Heisman and it goes to who should have won it in the first place, Vince Young, who I think did finsih second in the balloting ?

Yankee_In_TX
06-10-2010, 03:58 PM
So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?:mcnugget:

You got caught. Sanctions are just a matter of what you got caught doing.

Dutchrudder
06-10-2010, 04:22 PM
So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?:mcnugget:

It's like the Brian Cushing deal in the NFL. We know well enough that there are plenty of other cheaters out there, they just haven't been caught so they can't do anything about it.

I had a few friends on A&M's football team when I was a student, and I know they got money on the side for every game they went to. It happens, it's rampant around the league, but you gotta be smart to get by with it.

Texan4Ever
06-10-2010, 04:25 PM
As per Yahoo:

• A postseason ban in football following the 2010 and 2011 seasons.

• A loss of 30 total football scholarships over the 2011, 2012 and 2013 seasons.

• A vacation of all football victories starting in December 2004 and running through the 2005 season. This includes the national championship win over Oklahoma on Jan. 4, 2005.

• An acceptance of USC’s self-imposed penalties on its basketball program, which included a forfeiture of all wins in 2007-2008 and a one-year postseason ban.

• All statistics vacated for Bush, Mayo and an unnamed women’s tennis athlete in the games which the NCAA deemed them ineligible due to rules violations.

• All titles won during ineligible games must be vacated and trophies and banners must be removed.

• Bush and Mayo must be disassociated from USC athletics.

• A forfeiture of wins in the women’s tennis program from May 2006 to May 2009, for long-distance telephone violations committed by an athlete.

• A reduction of recruiting days for the men’s basketball program in 2010-2011

• Four years of probation.



So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time! :pop:

mariowillshine15
06-10-2010, 04:30 PM
As per Yahoo:




So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time! :pop:

I dont think it was lucky he bolted. I think he knew this was coming and jumped off the ship before it sank.

Smart by Carroll though.

The1ApplePie
06-10-2010, 04:59 PM
As per Yahoo:




So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time! :pop:

So, we have to vacate our National Championship now?

WTF!

Congrats to Oklahoma I guess.

Mr teX
06-10-2010, 05:09 PM
So, my Trojans did what every other college program does, but got busted because their players were high-profile?:mcnugget:

pretty much....whats the over/under on when we see florida get lit up with ncaa sanctions?

Kulluminatii
06-10-2010, 05:24 PM
Seems a bit harsh, but oh well :D.

JB
06-10-2010, 05:41 PM
Seems a bit harsh, but oh well :D.

Didn't Bush not cooperate for a while? Or made it difficult for the NCAA to talk to him? Perhaps they were just a bit ticked off that it took so long to get all the info.

Kulluminatii
06-10-2010, 06:25 PM
Didn't Bush not cooperate for a while? Or made it difficult for the NCAA to talk to him? Perhaps they were just a bit ticked off that it took so long to get all the info.

No idea, I'm a Cal fan myself so this news is pleasing :D.

This seems like it will be a lot worse for USC than I thought. Here is a post from a user @ The Bear Insider (http://bearinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30120)

The penalty as imposed is a max limit of 15 per year for 3 years (usually it is 25 per year) and a total max of 75, instead of the usual 85, for 3 years. I didn't know they'd have the annual limit of 15, but I heard it with my own two ears while listening to the press conference.

Apparently they have 80 people on scholarship this year. If they graduate/lose 20 players to graduation/NFL after the 2010 season, that would put them at 60 scholarship players heading into Signing day 2011. They could add 15 scholarships, because of the penalties, which would take them to 75 (their max limit anyways) for the 2011 season.

After the 2011 season, let's say they graduate/lose 25 (I made up this number, but it seems reasonable), bringing their total to 50 scholarships heading into Signing Day 2012. They can still only add 15 for Signing Day 2012 - which would give them just 65 scholarships for the 2012 season. Following the 2012 season, let's say they lose 20 players. That takes them to 45 heading into Signing Day 2013, and they can only add 15 once again - leaving them with 60 for the 2013 season.

That is horribly damaging.

But then it gets worse. Let's say the lose just 15 that last year (following the 2013 season), bringing them to 45 heading into Signing Day 2014. They still can only add 25 per year (the NCAA limit), bringing them up to 70 scholarships for the 2014 season. Following that season, let's say they lose 15 players again. That brings them to 55 players heading into Signing Day 2015. They can again only add 25, bringing them to 80 for the 2015 season. Let's say that year they lose 15 players again. That brings them to 65. Finally, in year 6, they can get to 85 with 20 new scholarships.

And if they have a bunch of transfers this year, it will get even worse for them.

Think about that - they will be carrying 65, 60 and 70 players on scholarship during the 3 years they are on penalty. They won't be able to get back up to 85 scholarships until year SIX! Which is 2016. These penalties are going to cripple them. And this was rather conservative, presuming just 15 graduated/lost players per year in the last few years. It could take them even longer to get back to 85.


Edit: Found an SC depth chart by class. So here's how it will actually happen, assuming the appeal doesn't push the start of penalties beyond the 2011 season.

They currently have 80 on scholarship
19 seniors and no obvious early entrants to next year's draft.

End of 2010: 61 players on scholarship
Class of 2011: Max 14 players to get to 75.
End of 2011: 21 departures, maybe 2 early entrants. If so, 52 players on scholarship.
Class of 2012: Max class of 15, leaving them 67 players on scholarship.
End of 2012: Very small class. 13 players, and I already put 2 as early entrants. Too early to predict any early entrants. So 56 players on scholarship.
Class of 2013: Max class of 15, leaving them 71 players on scholarship.
End of 2013: 27 players in the class. Huge. Too early to predict early departures. This leaves them 44 players on scholarship.
Signing Day 2014: The limit of 15 annually ends this year, so they can add 25. This still leaves them with 69 for 2014 season.
End of 2014: Their class of 2011 was only 14 players. So they lose 14 (again, too early to predict early departures), leaving them at 55.
Signing Day 2015: They can add 25 - bringing them to 80.
End of 2015: They lose 15, down to 65.
Signing Day 2016: They can only add 20 to get to the max 85.


So, as I said, it will take them until 2016 to get back to 85. Astounding. And remember, any transfers will crush them even worse - because they lose the player but can't replace his scholarship because they will already be at the max of 15 per year.

LOL...USC is ******! :evil:

b0ng
06-10-2010, 06:28 PM
Apple Pie's responses are the best in the thread and worth waiting for.

mattieuk
06-10-2010, 08:05 PM
As per Yahoo:




So, is this the "death penalty" for USC? Lucky Caroll bolted just in time! :pop:

Its short of the death penalty, but this is a good 30 year stretch in the slammer.

I'm not sure if I like this punishment. It damaged the new players, and new coaches far more than the school, or guilty parties.

b0ng
06-10-2010, 08:12 PM
Its short of the death penalty, but this is a good 30 year stretch in the slammer.

I'm not sure if I like this punishment. It damaged the new players, and new coaches far more than the school, or guilty parties.

How can you say this doesn't damage the school? Pete got off pretty scott free but this will totally screw the AD and he'll probably get fired soon (It's still the same AD right?)

EDIT: And the Football and Basketball program are pretty kaput for the forseeable future.

WWJD
06-10-2010, 08:46 PM
So the big name recruits they got for the upcoming season can now jump ship?

b0ng
06-10-2010, 09:00 PM
So the big name recruits they got for the upcoming season can now jump ship?

I believe that sanctions against a school will allow people to abandon ship.

Texecutioner
06-10-2010, 09:06 PM
Well as an Avid UT fan I will proudly welcome any RB's that would like to leave USC and come over to Texas. We could use a really good RB right now. Come on over guys! :wesmantexanfan:

WWJD
06-10-2010, 09:14 PM
I believe that sanctions against a school will allow people to abandon ship.

Thanks..I wondered about that.

The1ApplePie
06-11-2010, 10:10 AM
A big blow will be if Matt Barkley leaves.:bat:

Every college in the country will be after the kid

b0ng
06-11-2010, 10:50 AM
You guys have to remember that sanctions aren't going to happen until the appeals process is exhausted as well. I don't know about the bans, but USC might retain the scholarships until the NCAA gives them the final middle finger (which I don't think they've fully done yet).

Apple Pie, tell us more about how everybody cheats and USC isn't to blame. I am anxious to hear more.

Texan4Ever
06-11-2010, 11:01 AM
Why can't Florida get hit by something like this? JK, but on a serious note if several teams are doing this then they need be caught and punished as well because its like five people speeding on Hwy 59 and you're the lucky one that gets caught and gets the ticket...not fair.

thunderkyss
06-11-2010, 12:23 PM
And USC is done. And I was looking forward to a heated rivalry between USC and UT, OU, and TTU. Oh well at least they have Lane Kiffin!

Surely the Kiffins saw the writing on the wall didn't they?

Do you think they rolled the dice & lost? Or were they completely blindsided?

Heath Shuler
06-11-2010, 12:40 PM
NCAA: USC upperclassmen can transfer without penalty

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/06/ncaa-usc-upperclassmen-can-transfer-without-penalty/1

Juniors and seniors at Southern California are eligible to transfer to other schools without NCAA penalty in the wake of sanctions placed on the Trojans on Thursday.

The NCAA told ESPN on Friday that the players will not have to sit out a season if they choose to transfer to another school. USC was hit with a two-year postseason ban and the loss of 30 scholarships over three years in the sanctions.

NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn told ESPN about the process for juniors and seniors seeking to leave use USC:

"The second school would have to submit a waiver asking to waive the year in residence, but NCAA rules allow for this waiver to be granted if a student-athlete's first school has a postseason ban in their sport."

Freshmen who have committed to USC are not eligible for this waiver, however.

Yankee_In_TX
06-11-2010, 12:42 PM
Surely the Kiffins saw the writing on the wall didn't they?

Do you think they rolled the dice & lost? Or were they completely blindsided?

Kiffin was coaching there when this was going on and he knew about the investigation. So, he rolled the dice.

The1ApplePie
06-11-2010, 01:07 PM
You guys have to remember that sanctions aren't going to happen until the appeals process is exhausted as well. I don't know about the bans, but USC might retain the scholarships until the NCAA gives them the final middle finger (which I don't think they've fully done yet).

Apple Pie, tell us more about how everybody cheats and USC isn't to blame. I am anxious to hear more.

USC is to blame. Them getting punished for doing what Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Penn State, Miami, and everyone that matters in college football does is another thing.

JB
06-11-2010, 01:10 PM
USC is to blame. Them getting punished for doing what Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, Penn State, Miami, and everyone that matters in college football does is another thing.

And have all those other schools been caught? No? Then you are just speculating. That's ok. Truth doesn't matter to some I guess.

Texan4Ever
06-11-2010, 01:15 PM
Seantrel Henderson must be regretting the decsion of signing with USC. I wonder if UCLA and Cal will take this as an oppurtunity to grab players who would normally commit to USC?

Mr teX
06-11-2010, 01:36 PM
And have all those other schools been caught? No? Then you are just speculating. That's ok. Truth doesn't matter to some I guess.

Yeah, & OJ didn't murder his wife & ron goldman because after all,
he was acquitted......

Come on dude, you know damn well all of these big time programs are paying these kids to come & play for them. I have heard personally from U.T. ex-athletes themselves about how they get hooked up by the university & it's boosters.

To be honest, you don't even have to win for this to happen as my wife, a former scholarship basketball athlete has told me stories of how they used to get money from everyone.....& quite frankly, they sucked from a women's basketball program perspective.

Just b/c they haven't been caught doesn't mean they're clean.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 01:40 PM
Yeah, & OJ didn't murder his wife & ron goldman because after all,
he was acquitted......

Come on dude, you know damn well all of these big time programs are paying these kids to come & play for them. I have heard personally from U.T. ex-athletes themselves about how they get hooked up by the university & it's boosters.

To be honest, you don't even have to win for this to happen as my wife, a former scholarship basketball athlete has told me stories of how they used to get money from everyone.....& quite frankly, they sucked from a women's basketball program perspective.

Just b/c they haven't been caught doesn't mean they're clean.

And all muslims are extremists and all football/baseball players are on juice. Just because you believe it doesn't make it a universal truth.

The1ApplePie
06-11-2010, 01:53 PM
And have all those other schools been caught? No? Then you are just speculating. That's ok. Truth doesn't matter to some I guess.

Do boosters pay the players? Yes
Do colleges rig their academic standards for players? Yes
Do colleges give players free drugs, booze, and strippers on recruiting trips? Yes

USC (and Dez Bryant) are the only ones that have gotten caught.

Texan4Ever
06-11-2010, 01:57 PM
And all muslims are extremists and all football/baseball players are on juice. Just because you believe it doesn't make it a universal truth.



True. I am a undergrad at UT and I have several friends on the golf and baseball teams and they've told me about special treatment they receive from the academic staff among others. As for getting money I'm not sure because UT is strict about things like this, but boosters do throw prospective recruits parties with strippers and hook up athletes in other ways.

Serigo Kindle crashed his car into an apartment while he was texting and as far as I know he didn't have to pay for the damage. Student athletes get special tutors who do the homework for you and I know of a certain professor who goes out of his way to help athletes by giving them extra tutoring and even old tests, something the regular non-athlete students don't have access to.

^This is comming from athletes and a few freinds of freinds so IDK how much truth their is to this but I'm sure something along these lines occurs at Texas and other big schools.

Didn't Muarice Clarett get paid for stuff like watering the garden and whatnot, how come the NCAA never laid the hammer down on Ohio State?

b0ng
06-11-2010, 01:59 PM
Do boosters pay the players? Yes
Do colleges rig their academic standards for players? Yes
Do colleges give players free drugs, booze, and strippers on recruiting trips? Yes

USC (and Dez Bryant) are the only ones that have gotten caught.

Do colleges rape and pillage christianity? yes
Do colleges invade 3rd world countries? yes
Do colleges involve players in underground bare knuckles fighting matches? yes

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:00 PM
You guys honestly think that USC is the only big school that does this sort of thing? Sorry, but that's just being naive. I had a buddy that used to go down just to Texas A&M every few weeks when his teammates from HS was a WR over there. He said that his friend was living in a nice two story house with flat screen tv's and got paid like $1,000 dollars for every TD he got from random boosters out there and all of Texas A&M's top players were getting benefits like this. Oklahoma had the issues with Bomar and that other player at the car lot as well. Bama lost a ton of scholarships and faced penalties from breaking the rules and so have a ton of other schools over the years. All of these big schools go around the rules in all sorts of ways. It's just a matter of who gets caught and whether or not they have the right connections to pay the right people off to keep quiet if they are found for wrong doing or to stop a thorough investigation. College Football is nothing but another big business like the NFL or the NBA. Shoot, USC should have been dealt with a long time ago once all of this stuff started coming to light. They've probably been shoveling out tons of cash for like the last three years to avoid this or just to stall it with their connections they have. If you're caught though, you should face punishment.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 02:04 PM
Nobody is claiming that all colleges except for USC are pure bastions of good intentions, but unless they get busted doing it nobody is going to punish them for it.

This is why I think arguing about Cushing getting punished for roids even though "all NFL players take roids!" is a dumb dumb dumb argument. Until it's factually put on paper that you were doing things wrongly you aren't going to get punished for it.

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:06 PM
Do boosters pay the players? Yes
Do colleges rig their academic standards for players? Yes
Do colleges give players free drugs, booze, and strippers on recruiting trips? Yes

USC (and Dez Bryant) are the only ones that have gotten caught.

This is all true. I doubt that they are the only ones that have gotten caught though. I'm sure different schools get caught for stuff every year, but probably pay off certain investigators or people that have the control with this sort of thing. It just depends on who has the power and the connections. It's not like we haven't seen corruption all over the NCAA and college football for the last 25 years.

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:12 PM
Didn't Muarice Clarett get paid for stuff like watering the garden and whatnot, how come the NCAA never laid the hammer down on Ohio State?

It's hard to say really. I mean the NCAA can do what they want really. They can choose to go after a school or let it slide if they really want to.

When Cedric Benson was at Texas he got into all sorts of trouble. Texas alums and staff were always having to get him out of some jam. He had that pot smoking incident in someone's apartment where he was arrested that somehow quietly went away, he had another incident where he kicked someone's door down and allegedly assaulted some people where his excuse was that they stole his tv, and he had other incidents as well that certain media outlets found out, but it never came to light. Some schools have a lot of juice and money to throw around to get themselves and their players out of jams though while other schools may have the money but not necessarily the connections.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 02:18 PM
It's hard to say really. I mean the NCAA can do what they want really. They can choose to go after a school or let it slide if they really want to.

When Cedric Benson was at Texas he got into all sorts of trouble. Texas alums and staff were always having to get him out of some jam. He had that pot smoking incident in someone's apartment where he was arrested that somehow quietly went away, he had another incident where he kicked someone's door down and allegedly assaulted some people where his excuse was that they stole his tv, and he had other incidents as well that certain media outlets found out, but it never came to light. Some schools have a lot of juice and money to throw around to get themselves and their players out of jams though while other schools may have the money but not necessarily the connections.

Past history seems to indicate that the NCAA has more of a hardon for players getting paid under the table than they do for players breaking the law.

Yankee_In_TX
06-11-2010, 02:24 PM
Do boosters pay the players? Yes
Do colleges rig their academic standards for players? Yes
Do colleges give players free drugs, booze, and strippers on recruiting trips? Yes

USC (and Dez Bryant) are the only ones that have gotten caught.

I can vouch that Ohio State (at least in 1998-2002) does all of that.

Like I said, USC got caught. They ALL do it. Except maybe U of H, because the boosters don't care, lol?

Yankee_In_TX
06-11-2010, 02:26 PM
Didn't Muarice Clarett get paid for stuff like watering the garden and whatnot, how come the NCAA never laid the hammer down on Ohio State?

Ohio State lost a year of basketball (and it might have been a final 4 year) due to money changing hands. I think maybe 2000?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/ncaa/05/09/lawsuit.ohiostate/


http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/5553959

"On March 10, 2006, the NCAA gave Ohio State three years' probation and ordered it to pay back all tournament money earned from 1999-2002 when Boban Savovic was on the Buckeyes' roster. In addition, Ohio State had to remove all references to team accomplishments from those years including a 1999 visit to the Final Four."

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:27 PM
Past history seems to indicate that the NCAA has more of a hardon for players getting paid under the table than they do for players breaking the law.

Oh definitely. It's a much bigger problem an issue when that's happening because that's when schools are obviously cheating to recruit players through benefits like money or gifts. All I'm pointing out in that example is that certain schools like Texas that have a lot of power and connections can sweep a lot of things under the rug. Someone mentioned that Sergio Kindle incident as well. Hell, no one in their right mind believes that bogus driving and texting story. Lol! Benson straight up got out of a possession charge. The NCAA is as dirty as they come though and we've seen how silly and inconsistent they can be for years on all sorts of issues. I'm sure that certain schools do get caught for a hell of a lot more than what we hear about every year honestly. We don't ever hear about who exactly makes the investigations and what not. THere is no doubt in my mind that the people who do probably take a ton of kickbacks and pay offs to keep quiet on a lot of minor infractions that they could follow up on if they wanted to or needed to.

I'm glad that USC is being sanctioned, and I'd say it's about time. The fact that it took the NCAA this long to do anything has been pretty pathetic to me, and if this were a much smaller school my guess is that this punishment would have taken place two years ago, but USC has a lot of juice and almost got out of this all together.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 02:30 PM
Oh definitely. It's a much bigger problem an issue when that's happening because that's when schools are obviously cheating to recruit players through benefits like money or gifts. All I'm pointing out in that example is that certain schools like Texas that have a lot of power and connections can sweep a lot of things under the rug. Someone mentioned that Sergio Kindle incident as well. Hell, no one in their right mind believes that bogus driving and texting story. Lol! Benson straight up got out of a possession charge. The NCAA is as dirty as they come though and we've seen how silly and inconsistent they can be for years on all sorts of issues. I'm sure that certain schools do get caught for a hell of a lot more than what we hear about every year honestly.

I'm glad that USC is being sanctioned, and I'd say it's about time. The fact that it took the NCAA this long to do anything has been pretty pathetic to me, and if this were a much smaller school my guess is that this punishment would have taken place two years ago, but USC has a lot of juice and almost got out of this all together.

Oh I agree that the NCAA has been notoriously limp dicked in terms of trying to find and investigate violations of their own code of any kind. However, USC getting punished, even if it's way way later than what I would've liked, I still consider a victory in terms of trying to bring to light how shameful these academic institutions are when it comes to athletics.

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:31 PM
I can vouch that Ohio State (at least in 1998-2002) does all of that.

Like I said, USC got caught. They ALL do it. Except maybe U of H, because the boosters don't care, lol?

Yeah, see I never even heard about that and that's just another small punishment. The NCAA punishes tons of schools every year for infractions actually, but the media doesn't cover it like crazy in every situation especially with much smaller schools.

The1ApplePie
06-11-2010, 02:36 PM
I had a team mate get the "booze, drugs, and girls" routine from Harvard on a recruiting trip.

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:37 PM
Oh I agree that the NCAA has been notoriously limp dicked in terms of trying to find and investigate violations of their own code of any kind. However, USC getting punished, even if it's way way later than what I would've liked, I still consider a victory in terms of trying to bring to light how shameful these academic institutions are when it comes to athletics.

I agree with everything you're saying and I'm glad that they finally got at least some sort of punishment. It was getting more and more pathetic by the day that USC got to keep going with business as usual when that Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo issues were as large as they were and constantly reported all over the media. Hell, a ton of stuff I read about the Reggie Bush case had all sorts of wild stuff going on with thugs showing up to depositions and trying to scare away the investigators and all sorts of random stuff.

Here is another thing to consider though. The media plays a big role in this kind of thing as well. If the media doesn't report all of these investigations and infractions, we really don't hear about a lot of this stuff. The media stayed all over these stories with USC. What if the media hadn't been all over this from day one and continued on about it for the last 3 years? What are the odds that USC might not have ever gotten punished? I'd say that those odds are probably pretty damn high. My guess is that certain NCAA officials probably would have been payed off by USC boosters or execs and this would have gone away fairly quietly. The media stomped all over this thing though and wouldn't let it go away, so eventually something had to happen and Pete Carroll obviously felt like the time was near.

The1ApplePie
06-11-2010, 02:41 PM
Basically the only reason the NCCA cares about money changing hands is because of gambling and point-shaving.

I'd like to point out that colleges also payoff college coaches to steer their players there. I've seen that first hand.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 02:45 PM
I agree with everything you're saying and I'm glad that they finally got at least some sort of punishment. It was getting more and more pathetic by the day that USC got to keep going with business as usual when that Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo issues were as large as they were and constantly reported all over the media. Hell, a ton of stuff I read about the Reggie Bush case had all sorts of wild stuff going on with thugs showing up to depositions and trying to scare away the investigators and all sorts of random stuff.

Here is another thing to consider though. The media plays a big role in this kind of thing as well. If the media doesn't report all of these investigations and infractions, we really don't hear about a lot of this stuff. The media stayed all over these stories with USC. What if the media hadn't been all over this from day one and continued on about it for the last 3 years? What are the odds that USC might not have ever gotten punished? I'd say that those odds are probably pretty damn high. My guess is that certain NCAA officials probably would have been payed off by USC boosters or execs and this would have gone away fairly quietly. The media stomped all over this thing though and wouldn't let it go away, so eventually something had to happen and Pete Carroll obviously felt like the time was near.

I think the media blitz is definitely relative with how big of a school USC is. You don't see the media hound a story for years about San Diego State. This really just points to the media being actually useful in terms of making sure the big Goliath program goes down.

At this point though the big schools know that the media is going to chase them down if they catch wind of egregious stuff going on. I'm not really impressed with the NCAA and it's history for many reasons, and the fact that reporters have to basically beat these guys over the head to get them to do anything is pretty appalling. At least somebody was keeping an eye out.

Now if only they'd repeatedly beat them over the head about a playoff in football. . . yeah that won't happen in my lifetime :sad:

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 02:55 PM
I think the media blitz is definitely relative with how big of a school USC is. You don't see the media hound a story for years about San Diego State. This really just points to the media being actually useful in terms of making sure the big Goliath program goes down.

Yes, in this instance it's been a very good thing.

At this point though the big schools know that the media is going to chase them down if they catch wind of egregious stuff going on. I'm not really impressed with the NCAA and it's history for many reasons, and the fact that reporters have to basically beat these guys over the head to get them to do anything is pretty appalling. At least somebody was keeping an eye out.

The media has to get word of it though. And I just wonder how many possible times where a media reporter possibly did get word of something like this and may have been paid off to keep quiet about a story. That may not have ever happened, but I could see it happening in certain instances. It's very possible.

Now if only they'd repeatedly beat them over the head about a playoff in football. . . yeah that won't happen in my lifetime :sad:

Well they have at certain times. I think we will see a playoff in our lifetime, but who the hell knows when. I do think we'll get one though, but I think they'll probably do some really silly one to start off with like a "plus one" game after the Rose Bowl or something like that to where it's only like a 4 team playoff. That's just my guess any way. I do think they'll eventually do something though at some point, but it might end up taking another 10 years.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 02:59 PM
Yes, in this instance it's been a very good thing.



The media has to get word of it though. And I just wonder how many possible times where a media reporter possibly did get word of something like this and may have been paid off to keep quiet about a story. That may not have ever happened, but I could see it happening in certain instances. It's very possible.



Well they have at certain times. I think we will see a playoff in our lifetime, but who the hell knows when. I do think we'll get one though, but I think they'll probably do some really silly one to start off with like a "plus one" game after the Rose Bowl or something like that to where it's only like a 4 team playoff. That's just my guess any way. I do think they'll eventually do something though at some point, but it might end up taking another 10 years.

The media can be pretty weasely when it comes to getting it's name out there as breaking a big big story like huge violations against a major university. That's the one good thing, they'll carry a story for as long as they think it'll put them in headlines on ESPN.

I think the formation of these Superconfrences might help to get a playoff going, but I just don't know if the BCS will ever see it as being more profitable than the current system.

Texecutioner
06-11-2010, 03:05 PM
The media can be pretty weasely when it comes to getting it's name out there as breaking a big big story like huge violations against a major university. That's the one good thing, they'll carry a story for as long as they think it'll put them in headlines on ESPN.

I think the formation of these Superconfrences might help to get a playoff going, but I just don't know if the BCS will ever see it as being more profitable than the current system.

Yeah, I do think this will be a bigger step towards getting a playoff. Is it a giant step or a baby one, well only time will tell there. But this is going to change the scope of college football pretty drastically from the way it seems at this point, so why not throw in a playoff tournament while we're at it? At least with them making these new super conferences if they follow through with all of this we should see some more competitive schedules for all of the top teams around the board from now on which should make college football a lot more exciting. A playoff would just be the icing on the cake to a much more competitive season. If all of this does go through to where we have like 3 or 4 super conferences it will be hard to imagine any teams going undefeated from this point on.

b0ng
06-11-2010, 03:14 PM
EDIT:

I think this conversation should move to the re-alignment thread because I believe that everybody agrees that while USC deserved punishment there probably are more programs that aren't being punished, but such is the state of affairs in the NCAA. It's not right, it's how it is and there's not much looking like it'll change in the near future.

The1ApplePie
06-14-2010, 10:37 PM
So, is OU actively out trying to get that National Championship?

IDEXAN
06-15-2010, 07:01 AM
Even now have they stopped celebrating in Knoxville ?