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TexFan58
03-11-2005, 09:15 PM
All this talk about Franks, Sharper, DD, drop it! What we need is to fix the Offensive Line....It BROKE! What do you guys think about them apples? :confused:

Wolf
03-11-2005, 09:17 PM
who do you want?

TexansTrueFan
03-11-2005, 09:18 PM
i think your right on Q. But as we can see so far we havent made any O-Line FA pick-ups. Maybe we will do something with it in the draft, which prolly wont help cause i dont think having a rookie on the line will help carr stay off his back any !

texan279
03-11-2005, 09:18 PM
I agree but I don't think there are any linemen left in free agency that could come in and do a better job than any of the linemen we have starting now.

ArlingtonTexan
03-11-2005, 09:38 PM
Ya know the one thing the Texans have not tried on the O-line was actually having the same five guys who started one year, start again the next year.

AndreJ
03-11-2005, 09:42 PM
Ya know the one thing the Texans have not tried on the O-line was actually having the same five guys who started one year, start again the next year.

Thats what i believe they plan to do next year and if that dont work out i think they will either bring someone in with a trade in the beginning of the season or give whoever we draft a shot. But i dont think we will see any major changes in the O-Line.

TexansTrueFan
03-11-2005, 09:55 PM
yeah the front office already said there will be no major o-line changes !!! I think they'll change their tune after about 4 games into the season !

AndreJ
03-11-2005, 10:01 PM
yeah the front office already said there will be no major o-line changes !!! I think they'll change their tune after about 4 games into the season !

Come on dude have some kinda hope LoL. I don't know too much about how an the O-Line works, but i would imagine that the O-Line would perform better the more time they spend on the field working together. It would only make since that one would play better alongside people they've known for years rather than a different group of people every year.

But, theres only one way to find out and it won't be too much longer (Wishful Thinking... i miss football so much) before we see how it pans out.

TexansTrueFan
03-11-2005, 10:04 PM
yeah i wish off season wasnt so long :( !! I have a LITTLE hope for the o-line, lets just hope carr can have a lil faith in them !

Fiddy
03-11-2005, 10:20 PM
Ya know the one thing the Texans have not tried on the O-line was actually having the same five guys who started one year, start again the next year.with the same blocking scheme

The O-line will be fine, they need time to gel

texan279
03-11-2005, 10:23 PM
They started to gel at the end of last season and good pretty good at run blocking but the pass blocking never came together and that's what scares me. The teams that use the zone blocking scheme in the NFL put up some awesome rushing stats but give up a lot of sacks.

TexansTrueFan
03-11-2005, 10:24 PM
They started to gel at the end of last season and good pretty good at run blocking but the pass blocking never came together and that's what scares me. The teams that use the zone blocking scheme in the NFL put up some awesome rushing stats but give up a lot of sacks.


well i guess we're lucky that carr has good feet !

texan279
03-11-2005, 10:28 PM
well i guess we're lucky that carr has good feet !

Yeah but if the line continues to protect him the way they did last season it could shorten his career.

TexansTrueFan
03-11-2005, 10:34 PM
oh i know it could shorten it, and i feel it has already affected him in some ways, he is to jumpy in the pocket and has no patience to let things develope, but who can blame him !

texan279
03-11-2005, 10:36 PM
I agree with you and I am not trying to be negative, I just do not understand how we can put Sharper and Foreman on the trading block and address almost every other need we have in free agency and the draft when IMO the O line needs the most help and that has been since our first season.

OzzO
03-11-2005, 10:37 PM
I thought the two things CC was gonna focus on this season was a pass rush from the D and QB protection... or maybe it was Bob McNair that said that, which I guess if the BOSS says that...

So, they've been working on the D. Stay tuned for the second half of the off season....

Ibar_Harry
03-12-2005, 04:58 AM
Its amazing how I get criticized for saying much of the above. Yes, McNair did say he wanted protection for Carr. I think the statements that this blocking scheme does not offer much protection for the QB is true. I have also stated its a wast to draft people like AJ and Carr if you are going to use the tools effectively. I still think things were coming together at the end of the 02 season, but unfortunately they changed everything and all of that momentum was lost. We were getting blocking and DD was doing well. I still don't think the new blocking scheme is good for DD. Its suppose to be, but I don't think it has worked out that way. He did well hiding behind his blockers in the old scheme.

infantrycak
03-12-2005, 08:25 AM
The teams that use the zone blocking scheme in the NFL put up some awesome rushing stats but give up a lot of sacks.

Denver gave up 15 sacks in 2004 and 25 in 2003--doesn't seem to be a problem for them.

infantrycak
03-12-2005, 08:36 AM
I still think things were coming together at the end of the 02 season, but unfortunately they changed everything and all of that momentum was lost. We were getting blocking and DD was doing well. I still don't think the new blocking scheme is good for DD. Its suppose to be, but I don't think it has worked out that way. He did well hiding behind his blockers in the old scheme.

In otherwords, "all evidence to the contrary, I believe what I believe."

Last 8 games of 2003: 548 yards rushing, 3.9 ypc, 6 TD's rushing, 123 yards receiving and 2 fumbles.

Last 8 games of 2004: 828 yards rushing, 4.6 ypc, 8 TD's rushing, 319 yards receiving, 1 receiving TD and 0 fumbles.

Yeah, the rushing game and DD were clearly coming together better at the end of 2003 than at the end of 2004 with that horrible zone blocking scheme.

cadahnic
03-12-2005, 08:46 AM
Our offensive line was coming together, but we overpaid for wade and alot of other players(Greenwood) that will put us in cap situations. We had the opportunity to add a solid lineman to our line. Wand is ok, Pitts is getting much better at guard, McKinney is still solid but becoming inconsistent, Wade is functional when he is not hurt. So hopefully next year Carr will have at least three seconds to throw the ball.

I dont know if you guys realize that the Colts defense will be better and the Jags will have one hell of a pass rush. the Titans are rebuilding so at least we will stomp them. Our real problem is C. Palmer who calls the worst play at the worst time. He has a talent for it. I mean who runs a 5'8" running back three straight times in the redzone when you have two recievers and a tight end that can outjump damn near any corner. In my opinion if we get more aggressive on offense our line will look a hundred times better. I mean three and four step drops and get rid of it would be nice.

AndreJ
03-12-2005, 09:00 AM
Our offensive line was coming together, but we overpaid for wade and alot of other players(Greenwood) that will put us in cap situations. We had the opportunity to add a solid lineman to our line. Wand is ok, Pitts is getting much better at guard, McKinney is still solid but becoming inconsistent, Wade is functional when he is not hurt. So hopefully next year Carr will have at least three seconds to throw the ball.

I dont know if you guys realize that the Colts defense will be better and the Jags will have one hell of a pass rush. the Titans are rebuilding so at least we will stomp them. Our real problem is C. Palmer who calls the worst play at the worst time. He has a talent for it. I mean who runs a 5'8" running back three straight times in the redzone when you have two recievers and a tight end that can outjump damn near any corner. In my opinion if we get more aggressive on offense our line will look a hundred times better. I mean three and four step drops and get rid of it would be nice.

OMG, do you know what i would give to see that. In the 2003 season when we beat Miami on there on field, I cut out an article from Sports Illustrated and Jason Taylor said "On a three step drop you're not going to stop David, all you can do is put your hands up."

rittenhouserobz
03-12-2005, 10:07 AM
I can tell you this. You are not going to be throwing a 50 yard bomb with a 3-step drop. 40-yard dash about 4.5 seconds. DL getting to QB 3.0 seconds. Do the math. Cover-2 can help shutdown a 3-step drop. Yeah Carr can get rid of the ball, but how long of a pass will he be able to complete.

jhawktx
03-12-2005, 10:21 AM
I agree the OL needs some work. But it's only March. Let's see how the FA/trades work out and the draft.

If we make no moves for the OL in FA/trades or draft, then I think we got problems on opening day.

Vinny
03-12-2005, 12:43 PM
Id rather them give Wand some help instead of being alone to block a probable future Hall of Fame DE. Teams don't give up guys like Pace without multiple #1's usually.

Dionysus22
03-12-2005, 01:04 PM
Come on dude have some kinda hope LoL. I don't know too much about how an the O-Line works, but i would imagine that the O-Line would perform better the more time they spend on the field working together. It would only make since that one would play better alongside people they've known for years rather than a different group of people every year.

But, theres only one way to find out and it won't be too much longer (Wishful Thinking... i miss football so much) before we see how it pans out.
This is very true. In high school we had the same o-line for three years and worked like a well oiled machine. Then I played semi-pro ball and it wasn't the same. The system was almost exact to what we ran in high school but as far as knowing the guy playing next to you jus wasn't happening. So I agree, maybe a few tweeks here and there but I think we need to allow them time to gel.

nunusguy
03-12-2005, 01:25 PM
Id rather them give Wand some help instead of being alone to block a probable future Hall of Fame DE.
The Raven's Ogden, one of the premier LTs in the game, couldn't handle him
one-on-one. So let's keep an xtra back in to help or use doble TE, whatever
offensive configuation that keeps DCs butt upright when going against this guy. We can get use 2nd, 3rd round picks to get 1-2 guys in the draft at center and/or guard to replace geritol crew and keep 'em guessing about
what we do with our 1st rounder.

bckey
03-12-2005, 01:28 PM
This is very true. In high school we had the same o-line for three years and worked like a well oiled machine. Then I played semi-pro ball and it wasn't the same. The system was almost exact to what we ran in high school but as far as knowing the guy playing next to you jus wasn't happening. So I agree, maybe a few tweeks here and there but I think we need to allow them time to gel.

The only problem with that is that Wiegert (weak link) will be 33 in August and McKinney (weakest link) will be 30 in October. About the time our line is playing like a well oiled machine (if possible) we will have to replace a couple of them. 30 isn't exactly old for an OL but when we are talking about McKinney I am saying he isn't going to improve much if any from here on out and he has been stinking up the joint. Hopefully we can pick up at least one eventual replacement in the draft and give him some spot play this year and if we are really lucky take over one of those spots this year.

dalemurphy
03-12-2005, 01:52 PM
Id rather them give Wand some help instead of being alone to block a probable future Hall of Fame DE. Teams don't give up guys like Pace without multiple #1's usually.

I love rational thought!!

LT was exposed last year, at times, only because of other weaknesses on the rest of the line. If the interior line is fixed, assuming the offensive coaching staff has any clue at all, Wand will have help slid to his side when needed. He was not the worst lineman starting for us last year.

TexanFanInCC
03-12-2005, 02:41 PM
Read the bottom of this article. (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2756735,00.html)

We definitely need to upgrade at offensive line. carr still needs time to throw the ball downfield, and he didnt get it last yr towards the end of the season.

bckey
03-12-2005, 05:55 PM
Read the bottom of this article. (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2756735,00.html)

We definitely need to upgrade at offensive line. carr still needs time to throw the ball downfield, and he didnt get it last yr towards the end of the season.


Lehr already signed with Atlanta.

BuffSoldier
03-12-2005, 06:10 PM
OMG, do you know what i would give to see that. In the 2003 season when we beat Miami on there on field, I cut out an article from Sports Illustrated and Jason Taylor said "On a three step drop you're not going to stop David, all you can do is put your hands up."

Both of you guys make a good point, but you would have to cut the passing playbook basically in half if Carr only were able to take 3 step drops. Plus you would be taking away one of the things that makes AJ so special, his ability to go down field and make the big plays. Now yes it seems like a good idea to do 3 step drops until the line gets better but remember last year all of those posts like "we only through the deep ball twice today" and "we have to try and stretch the field deep", which do make good points, we have to mix it up, 3 step drops, 5 step drops, and 7 step drops.


Oh and if you recall the last game against Cleveland, all Carr did was drop back 3 steps, but the defense was in his face before he could setup. Something has to be done whether its, draft a new player, add a new player, or just better coaching and execution of the players that we have now.

bigfan77801
03-13-2005, 12:50 AM
Both of you guys make a good point, but you would have to cut the passing playbook basically in half if Carr only were able to take 3 step drops. Plus you would be taking away one of the things that makes AJ so special, his ability to go down field and make the big plays. Now yes it seems like a good idea to do 3 step drops until the line gets better but remember last year all of those posts like "we only through the deep ball twice today" and "we have to try and stretch the field deep", which do make good points, we have to mix it up, 3 step drops, 5 step drops, and 7 step drops.


Oh and if you recall the last game against Cleveland, all Carr did was drop back 3 steps, but the defense was in his face before he could setup. Something has to be done whether its, draft a new player, add a new player, or just better coaching and execution of the players that we have now.

I agree with the execution of our center, who else is with me? lol: