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MojoMan
06-13-2010, 12:23 AM
School bolts to a different conference to prove that they aren't the little brother of the big state school? Yeah put me down for bad blood and hard feelings there.

I graduated from Texas, and I can assure you that A&M takes the rivalry between the two schools much more seriously than Texas does. Texas does not own or control Texas A&M, nor is Texas dependent on Texas A&M. The two schools are still free to schedule games every year if they want to. After all these years, watching these two schools joining different conferences is really not that big of deal. The rivalry is not really all it used to be anyway.

I do not expect anyone to lose much sleep about this, assuming it does actually come to pass, either in Austin or College Station.

awtysst
06-13-2010, 12:27 AM
I graduated from Texas, and I can assure you that A&M takes the rivalry between the two schools much more seriously than Texas does. Texas does not own or control Texas A&M, nor is Texas dependent on Texas A&M. The two schools are still free to schedule games every year if they want to. After all these years, watching these two schools joining different conferences is really not that big of deal. The rivalry is not really all it used to be anyway.

I do not expect anyone to lose much sleep about this, assuming it does actually come to pass, either in Austin or College Station.

Aint that the truth. The UT-Oklahoma game is much more of a rivalry game than the UT-A&M game these days.
All time UT is 75-36-5 against A&M.
All time UT is 59–40–5 against OU.

TexansSeminole
06-13-2010, 01:04 AM
School bolts to a different conference to prove that they aren't the little brother of the big state school? Yeah put me down for bad blood and hard feelings there.

I don't think so. Even if there were bad blood there is too much money to be made in an annual game between UT and A&M. They will play each other every year IMO regardless of the conference the two end up in.

Goldensilence
06-13-2010, 03:44 AM
I don't think so. Even if there were bad blood there is too much money to be made in an annual game between UT and A&M. They will play each other every year IMO regardless of the conference the two end up in.

Not to mention Alumni on both sides raising hell.

FirstTexansFan
06-13-2010, 07:09 AM
Well, if A&M bolts from the other schools and joins the SEC, I don't think it will turn out to be a fairytale ending. In my opinion, the SEC is the top conference in college football. Arkansas made this mistake many years ago, and they've had little success over there. As an Aggie, I have a bad feeling about this one.

Second Honeymoon
06-13-2010, 10:27 AM
if you thought A&M was irrelevant now, just wait till they join the SEC and no longer have a annual matchup with the Longhorns.

to me this seems like ego stroking by A&M so they don't look like they are following Texas as their little brother. at the end of the day I think cooler heads prevail and A&M goes to Pac10 with the rest of the Big12 South sans Baylor.

either way, I am good with it. Texas will join a super conference that matches their well rounded athletic program and keep their true rivalry game with OU intact. if A&M is upset that they are struggling, they shouldn't blame Texas or the Big12 structure. They just need to work harder and if they think going to the SEC is going to be easier.....well, that is just ignorant.

I love the SEC but Texas gains nothing by going there. Pac10 helps the entire UT athletic program and gives them an opportunity to mine a fertile west coast for recruits. going to the SEC only opens up Texas to the kill or be killed flotsam of SEC recruiting in Texas.

b0ng
06-13-2010, 10:28 AM
1) A&M in the S E C means that Saban and Meyers now can recuit extremely heavily in Texas. Prepare to see other schools in the state suffer because of this. (This would include UT)

2) Or since it's "Not much of a rivalry" and UT is in a tougher conference than it once was it might just want to keep it's OOC games to cupcakes and patsies only. My estimate is that UT would only schedule an OU game OOC if it came down to it. A&M not so much.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 11:00 AM
Yes, A&M to SEC might open up Texas to out of state schools getting at Texas recruits, but when UT and OU were playing for years before the Big 12 there never was much stink about UT opening Texas up to Oklahoma, was there? And to think the Big 12 schools going to Pac 10 will only give them more recruiting options out west and not have west schools coming to Texas is just short-sighted.

Also, if reports are true and UT was the SECs first choice to expand, which isn't hard to believe, what does it say about UT not jumping at the chance to play in the SEC? It could be about academics, but it also can be seen as being scared to not be the big fish in a little pond by pulling the strings in the conference like it will be able to with it's allies from Big 12 South in the new Pac 10, or just scared to play SEC football week in and week out.

Finally, if A&M goes east and others go west and UT doesn't schedule A&M for Thanksgiving it's going to be a PR nightmare for them. A&M will of course want to schedule the game, but if UT is mad about A&M going east and blackballs A&M like some have reported or posted, the public backlash against that would be high. UT fans will say the A&M game and rivalry doesn't mean so much to them or isn't much of a rivalry, but all that aside, that game is the most important game for football in the state of Texas and has been for years. Throwing away 100+ years of tradition because UT is butt-hurt that A&M is in the SEC would be ridiculous and would paint UT as a bunch of yella-backed cowards.

Dan B.
06-13-2010, 11:43 AM
Yes, A&M to SEC might open up Texas to out of state schools getting at Texas recruits, but when UT and OU were playing for years before the Big 12 there never was much stink about UT opening Texas up to Oklahoma, was there? And to think the Big 12 schools going to Pac 10 will only give them more recruiting options out west and not have west schools coming to Texas is just short-sighted.

Also, if reports are true and UT was the SECs first choice to expand, which isn't hard to believe, what does it say about UT not jumping at the chance to play in the SEC? It could be about academics, but it also can be seen as being scared to not be the big fish in a little pond by pulling the strings in the conference like it will be able to with it's allies from Big 12 South in the new Pac 10, or just scared to play SEC football week in and week out.

Finally, if A&M goes east and others go west and UT doesn't schedule A&M for Thanksgiving it's going to be a PR nightmare for them. A&M will of course want to schedule the game, but if UT is mad about A&M going east and blackballs A&M like some have reported or posted, the public backlash against that would be high. UT fans will say the A&M game and rivalry doesn't mean so much to them or isn't much of a rivalry, but all that aside, that game is the most important game for football in the state of Texas and has been for years. Throwing away 100+ years of tradition because UT is butt-hurt that A&M is in the SEC would be ridiculous and would paint UT as a bunch of yella-backed cowards.

That's funny. You do of course realize that if A&M goes its own way they would be the ones throwing away 100 years of tradition -- not Texas, right? The 5 Big 12 south schools apparently agreed to stick together -- until A&M broke their word and bailed on every team they've partnered with for the last century because the SEC came a callin. It's not just UT that is rumored to be blackballing them either. It's OU and Tech too. I don't think OU is terrified of the Aggie powerhouse that manages to stumble to a 5-6 record every year.

UT doesn't need to schedule A&M. Why should they? When UTEP comes up begging for a series with UT and the Horns blow them off, it's not because the Horns are yellow bellied. It's because there's no incentive for them to play. Christ if I ask Meghan Fox for a date and she turns me down, that doesn't automatically mean she's scared of me.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 11:49 AM
if you thought A&M was irrelevant now, just wait till they join the SEC and no longer have a annual matchup with the Longhorns.

if A&M is upset that they are struggling, they shouldn't blame Texas or the Big12 structure. They just need to work harder and if they think going to the SEC is going to be easier.....well, that is just ignorant.

Bolded: Yeah, because CBS afternoon or ESPN Saturday night games against LSU, Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, UF, UGA, Auburn is sure to not get any coverage..

Italicized: What A&M fans blame UT or the Big 12 for our struggles? I blame our cheating that was eventually sanctioned by the NCAA and then the disaster known as Coach Fran.

GP
06-13-2010, 11:52 AM
Have I missed out on exactly why this is even happening?

Is there a huge rift among the schools and the Big 12 officials?

I see three scenarios:

1. Texas decides to stay in the Big 12, therefore causing TTU, OU, OSU, and A&M to stay in the Big 12. This is the "sentimental" ending where the schools decide they need to remain where they are.

2. The schools all go to the Pac-10 where they can largely remain "together" even though they are now facing conference foes from the far west.

3. Schools got to Pac-10 and A&M decides to go elsewhere. I think The Big 12 is going to somehow remain a conference, and I wouldn't be surprised if A&M stays there. I don't see how they can possibly compete in the SEC. They might choose to stay in The Big 12 because the remaining conference teams are weaker and might make A&M a top dog.

Dan B.
06-13-2010, 11:58 AM
Bolded: Yeah, because CBS afternoon or ESPN Saturday night games against LSU, Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, UF, UGA, Auburn is sure to not get any coverage..

Italicized: What A&M fans blame UT or the Big 12 for our struggles? I blame our cheating that was eventually sanctioned by the NCAA and then the disaster known as Coach Fran.

Oh it'll get coverage. Just not positive coverage for A&M. They haven't beaten an SEC team in 15 years. In the 21st century they have been waxed by every SEC team they faced (Arky 47-19, UGa 44-20, Tennessee 38-7).

GP
06-13-2010, 12:02 PM
Oh it'll get coverage. Just not positive coverage for A&M. They haven't beaten an SEC team in 15 years. In the 21st century they have been waxed by every SEC team they faced (Arky 47-19, UGa 44-20, Tennessee 38-7).

You're not going to convince him.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 12:10 PM
That's funny. You do of course realize that if A&M goes its own way they would be the ones throwing away 100 years of tradition -- not Texas, right?

Good point. But we (speaking as an A&M fan and not anyway related to actual athletic department) still want to keep the rivalry games in all sports because it's just a good thing. If they stop, it might be because we go to SEC, but we are pro towards keeping the games in place. It's up to UT to accept or decline.

The 5 Big 12 south schools apparently agreed to stick together -- until A&M broke their word and bailed on every team they've partnered with for the last century because the SEC came a callin. It's not just UT that is rumored to be blackballing them either. It's OU and Tech too. I don't think OU is terrified of the Aggie powerhouse that manages to stumble to a 5-6 record every year.

SEC and our AD have been talking for the past couple of months, ever since expansion became a hot topic. I tried finding an article to cite this but can't find with all the random A&M/SEC rumor articles now out there, but since Feb/March they've been in contact. Also, we only really had strong ties to OU and Okie Lite since the Big 12 was formed. Yes we played them before then, but it wasn't a huge deal before.

UT doesn't need to schedule A&M. Why should they? When UTEP comes up begging for a series with UT and the Horns blow them off, it's not because the Horns are yellow bellied. It's because there's no incentive for them to play. Christ if I ask Meghan Fox for a date and she turns me down, that doesn't automatically mean she's scared of me.

A&M's not comparable to UTEP. Don't try and pull that. The alumni backlash is reason enough to schedule the game.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 12:17 PM
Oh it'll get coverage. Just not positive coverage for A&M. They haven't beaten an SEC team in 15 years. In the 21st century they have been waxed by every SEC team they faced (Arky 47-19, UGa 44-20, Tennessee 38-7).

You're not going to convince him.

Nope, you're not :kitten:.

To be fair, if you watched last year's Independence Bowl, A&M should not have lost that game. Outplayed UGA except for those pesky special teams, which gift-wrapped three touchdowns for them.

Also, we haven't beaten an SEC team since we joined the Big 12 and were handed a NCAA sanction for recruiting violations. Seem to be at least a little bit related.

GP
06-13-2010, 12:40 PM
Nope, you're not :kitten:.

To be fair, if you watched last year's Independence Bowl, A&M should not have lost that game. Outplayed UGA except for those pesky special teams, which gift-wrapped three touchdowns for them.

Also, we haven't beaten an SEC team since we joined the Big 12 and were handed a NCAA sanction for recruiting violations. Seem to be at least a little bit related.

So it's that pesky Big 12, just like that pesky special teams choke job vs. UGA, that is holding you guys down? LOL. Okie-dokie.

My theory is that the really good football talent would rather play in Florida, or in California, rather than College Station where white guys in crew cuts run around yelling cheers all day and all night. And if they can't play in Florida or California, they'll head to UT or OU. But not A&M.

This is A&M's fault (it's weak football program) and nobody else's. Heck, even TTU found a way to re-make itself into a relevant team among the elite OU and UT teams.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 12:50 PM
This is A&M's fault (it's weak football program) and nobody else's.

Yeah, I know, I said that in this post (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1452403&postcount=260) already.

I'm not trying to blame outside sources for our struggles. I pointed out the coincidence that roughly 15 years ago we were sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations, joined the Big 12, and haven't beaten an SEC team since.

Dan B.
06-13-2010, 12:54 PM
Nope, you're not :kitten:.

To be fair, if you watched last year's Independence Bowl, A&M should not have lost that game. Outplayed UGA except for those pesky special teams, which gift-wrapped three touchdowns for them.

Also, we haven't beaten an SEC team since we joined the Big 12 and were handed a NCAA sanction for recruiting violations. Seem to be at least a little bit related.Nope, you're not :kitten:.

To be fair, if you watched last year's Independence Bowl, A&M should not have lost that game. Outplayed UGA except for those pesky special teams, which gift-wrapped three touchdowns for them.

Also, we haven't beaten an SEC team since we joined the Big 12 and were handed a NCAA sanction for recruiting violations. Seem to be at least a little bit related.

I hate the coulda/woulda moral victory crowd (And that goes for UT fans making excuses for last year's NC game too). A&M lost to UGa because UGa outplayed them.

And A&M isn't losing to Tennessee by 30 points in 2007 due to NCAA sanctions from the 1990's. They are losing because they have poor coaches and poor recruiting. The SEC has very good coaches, and stellar recruiting. That's why Jackie Sherrill got his butt handed to him when he tried to make a go of it there.


Good point. But we (speaking as an A&M fan and not anyway related to actual athletic department) still want to keep the rivalry games in all sports because it's just a good thing. If they stop, it might be because we go to SEC, but we are pro towards keeping the games in place. It's up to UT to accept or decline.

But you can't. You are leaving all of your rivals behind if you jump ship. You can't schedule OU, TTU, and UT every year for your OOC schedule.



SEC and our AD have been talking for the past couple of months, ever since expansion became a hot topic. I tried finding an article to cite this but can't find with all the random A&M/SEC rumor articles now out there, but since Feb/March they've been in contact. Also, we only really had strong ties to OU and Okie Lite since the Big 12 was formed. Yes we played them before then, but it wasn't a huge deal before.

I have no doubt they've been talking. But the 5 Big 12 schools apparently had an agreement to move together wherever they went. That's why UT turned down the Big 10 -- they had "a Tech problem" (meaning UT wouldn't ditch their oldest rivals for a sexy new conference). OU has been very vocal about going wherever Texas goes. I know A&M loves to think they are sticking it to Texas by going at it alone. But they are the ones that will be stuck on an island, not UT. Former Big 12 schools will still make up around 1/3 of the Pac16 -- whether A&M goes or not -- meaning that they may have to flip a couple of votes in AZ, OR or wherever, but it is doable. A&M on the other hand will have no brothers; no partners in their new conference.



A&M's not comparable to UTEP. Don't try and pull that. The alumni backlash is reason enough to schedule the game.

I am not so certain that UT alumni really care that much. Most of the ones I know (admittedly not the high donors) consider OU a much bigger rival.

Dan B.
06-13-2010, 12:57 PM
GP are you a Raider fan? I think that they are most likely to benefit from this if A&M turns tail and runs away.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 01:04 PM
Here's (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/10/aggies.options/index.html#?eref=sihp) article referencing A&M/SEC talks.

Is there any concrete evidence that the Big 12S teams to Pac 10 had an agreement in place? As far as I know it's all conjecture from fans/reporters at this point, as is much of what is being reported.

And "turns tail and runs away"? Come on man, that's just ridiculous. We're looking out for what's best for us and exploring all options. We might end up still in the Big 12, might end up in the Pac 10, or might end up in the SEC, we won't know until it happens. But to say we're turning tail and running away is just wrong.

Stemp
06-13-2010, 02:05 PM
Here's (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/10/aggies.options/index.html#?eref=sihp) article referencing A&M/SEC talks.

Is there any concrete evidence that the Big 12S teams to Pac 10 had an agreement in place? As far as I know it's all conjecture from fans/reporters at this point, as is much of what is being reported.

And "turns tail and runs away"? Come on man, that's just ridiculous. We're looking out for what's best for us and exploring all options. We might end up still in the Big 12, might end up in the Pac 10, or might end up in the SEC, we won't know until it happens. But to say we're turning tail and running away is just wrong.

Turning and running tail means entering into the hardest football conference in the country? Oh gimmee a break. Texas will continue to schedule their creampuffs and play one or two difficult games a year (OU plus maybe USC or Cal) but they are looking down at the SEC because they want to be a part of the West Coast elitist club, hobnobbing with the likes of Stanford and Cal.

And anyone who thinks the PAC 10 is going to make a ton of money from TV doesn't realize that West Coasters don't much care for watching College Football like those of us in the South or on the East Coat. The PAC 10's current TV deal is HORRIBLE, even compared to the Big XII. Plus, they lost Nebraska and likely will lose Mizzou (St. Louis and KC markets). The PAC 16 will have three big names schools (Texas USC and Cal but the TV contract won't be all that once the networks don't get the eyes they expect. Texas better hope they can get their Longhorn Network up and running in the PAC 16 because the huge TV money they are expecting is likely to be a fantasy.

Dan B.
06-13-2010, 02:39 PM
Turning and running tail means entering into the hardest football conference in the country? Oh gimmee a break. Texas will continue to schedule their creampuffs and play one or two difficult games a year (OU plus maybe USC or Cal) but they are looking down at the SEC because they want to be a part of the West Coast elitist club, hobnobbing with like likes of Standford and Cal.

elitist = actual Universities with books and such. There are benefits to hobnobbing with Stanford, UCLA, Cal, and USC* grads you know. Universities are more than just football factories. They produce people with degrees that then hire graduates of other universities perceived to be if a quality stature. Academic funding dwarfs athletic funding (that's why A&M had to borrow money from the school to pay the athletic team's bills), and both UT and OU stand to benefit greatly from a jump to either conference. TBH I'd prefer the Big 10 for academic reasons -- the CiC would provide access to funding that obliterates TV revenue deals.

*: Every one of these schools is ranked in the USNWR top 26 schools. The only SEC schools that sniff the top 50 are Vandy and Florida.



And anyone who thinks the PAC 10 is going to make a ton of money from TV doesn't realize that West Coasters don't much care for watching College Football like those of us in the South or on the East Coat. The PAC 10's current TV deal is HORRIBLE, even compared to the Big XII. Plus, they lost Nebraska and likely will lose Mizzou (St. Louis and KC markets). The PAC 16 will have three big names schools (Texas USC and Cal but the TV contract won't be all that once the networks don't get the eyes they expect. Texas better hope they can get their Longhorn Network up and running in the PAC 16 because the huge TV money they are expecting is likely to be a fantasy.

You forgot OU and if A&M bolts than KU is a frequently mentioned possibility to replace them. They sit on the border of Kansas City, MO. The conference would basically own the US west of Iowa and Nebraska.

Any deal the hypothetical Pac 16 gets would at least equal to the SEC's in terms of direct revenue to the school. You can fit the population of every SEC state into TX and California with room to spare. The markets are so massive that a smaller percentage of the viewers are necessary than in Alabama and Mississippi. In addition, they are growing states and their market share will presumably continue to rise. Right now the population of the hypothetical PAC 16 states is 20 million more (and growing) than the Big 10, which in turn dwarfs the SEC by a similar amount.

The SEC just signed their deal and the amount schools receive is going to be static for a long time to come, while the Pac's is up for renewal. The Pac 10 is also discussing starting their own TV network on basic cable (a la the Big 10), which is completely different than what the SEC does. Such a network would provide revenue to UT from every house in Texas or California (or the Big 10 states) with basic cable and the sports package. Then they can start the Longhorn channel on premium TV and reap even more revenue from UT grads nationwide subscribing.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 02:50 PM
elitist = actual Universities with books and such. There are benefits to hobnobbing with Stanford, UCLA, Cal, and USC* grads you know.

All Californian schools that look down on others. Texas is a great university, that is no question, but those schools will look down their noses at you, much like how UT grads and students do to other schools in the Big 12. Also, in a debt-ridden state like California, there are talks of the public schools cutting costs to certain programs.

see link (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1052602120090710)


The SEC just signed their deal and the amount schools receive is going to be static for a long time to come, while the Pac's is up for renewal. The Pac 10 is also discussing starting their own TV network on basic cable (a la the Big 10), which is completely different than what the SEC does. Such a network would provide revenue to UT from every house in Texas or California (or the Big 10 states) with basic cable and the sports package. Then they can start the Longhorn channel on premium TV and reap even more revenue from UT grads nationwide subscribing.

If SEC expands by adding A&M and another school, the TV contracts the conference signed will be allowed to be renegotiated.

see link (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/22294958/0/0/22339280)



Also, something not alot of people are talking about; but realistically, how long do you see the Pac Teen lasting? Big 12 was much more regionalized and the Pac Teen will have uneven revenue like the Big 12 as well. There are many differences between the proposed member institutions.

I just don't see it lasting for a long time.

Dan B.
06-13-2010, 03:14 PM
All Californian schools that look down on others. Texas is a great university, that is no question, but those schools will look down their noses at you, much like how UT grads and students do to other schools in the Big 12. Also, in a debt-ridden state like California, there are talks of the public schools cutting costs to certain programs.

see link (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1052602120090710)

I couldn't care less whether they act smug. They are smart enough to add research endowment revenues together, and UT brings a ton of it. Even if the California leg cuts funding the amount Cali schools get will be absurdly larger than most SEC schools .


If SEC expands by adding A&M and another school, the TV contracts the conference signed will be allowed to be renegotiated.

see link (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/22294958/0/0/22339280)

Good point, but that doesn't address my main point -- which is that a conference owning their own TV network is more lucrative than a straight broadcasting deal. I also think you are overestimating A&M's TV drawing power. How many games went untelevised last year for A&M? I know the Tech game wasn't on TV. Why would ESPN and CBS pay more than the 17 million per school amount that they currently are (which would require renegotiation)? The SEC does allow individual schools to negotiate their own coaches shows/historical games, etc -- and this is a huge boon for schools like Florida (and would be for Texas as well) -- but A&M is not a big ratings grabber. The SEC games that would have been picked up are already on in Texas. I have a hard time believing that they would preempt Florida vs Alabama to show A&M vs Arkansas.

awtysst
06-13-2010, 03:23 PM
Basically if the Big XII south schools (sans Baylor) head to the Pac Supersize, what really changes?

Similarities:
1) They would be grouped together and play each other every year, as usual.

2)They would get 2 of the other Pac Supersize teams each year. This would be like getting a couple of Big XII North teams.

3) They would still get the opportunity to schedule in 3 cupcake/out of conference games.

Differences:
1) They would face Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State ever year.

2) Big $$$

To me the big change is those two games against the other side of the Pac Supersize. So instead of getting a couple of games against Mizzou, Nebraska, KU, KSU, or ISU the Big XII south gets a couple from USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Washington State. No big deal.

dc_txtech
06-13-2010, 03:57 PM
GP are you a Raider fan? I think that they are most likely to benefit from this if A&M turns tail and runs away.

Don't mean to answer for GP, but all my Raider friends and on the Tech boards everybody is excited. No matter how this goes down, Texas Tech is going to be golden. Only thing left to do is see how the dust settles.

awtysst
06-13-2010, 04:02 PM
In my mind, this is a bad sign for the Big XII. When you are trying to convince a team to stay, you know you are in trouble.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5282178

GP
06-13-2010, 05:52 PM
GP are you a Raider fan? I think that they are most likely to benefit from this if A&M turns tail and runs away.

Yeah, I'm a TTU fan.

But I don't think TTU would stay in the Big 12 if UT, OU, and OSU go to the Pac-10.

I think TTU knows where it's bread is buttered, and that's by riding the UT-OU wagon train. OSU also has the same line of reasoning. Wherever UT and OU are, so is the TV money.

I don't think A&M wants to admit that. IMO, that's the story here. There's four teams ready to bail, and one team posturing...and Tuesday will be the day either A&M "gets their mind right" (Cool Hand Luke movie reference) or stays in the shed for several years.

JCTexan
06-13-2010, 06:46 PM
So basically for A&M it's remain UT's little brother and follow them to the PAC, or go to the SEC West and face LSU, Alabama, Auburn & Ole Miss every year.


Finally, if A&M goes east and others go west and UT doesn't schedule A&M for Thanksgiving it's going to be a PR nightmare for them. A&M will of course want to schedule the game, but if UT is mad about A&M going east and blackballs A&M like some have reported or posted, the public backlash against that would be high. UT fans will say the A&M game and rivalry doesn't mean so much to them or isn't much of a rivalry, but all that aside, that game is the most important game for football in the state of Texas and has been for years. Throwing away 100+ years of tradition because UT is butt-hurt that A&M is in the SEC would be ridiculous and would paint UT as a bunch of yella-backed cowards.

If Texas A&M wants to bolt for the SEC and face Texas every year they are nuts. They would have Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arkansas & Texas every year, and that's not counting the teams in the SEC East they will face, namely Florida, Georgia & Tennessee. I doubt Texas will have a problem beating Texas A&M every year, but if A&M goes to the SEC do they really want to face another tough opponent like Texas when Alabama, LSU & Florida could be on their schedule?

pbat488
06-13-2010, 07:05 PM
If A&M goes to the SEC do they really want to face another tough opponent like Texas when Alabama, LSU & Florida could be on their schedule?

Hellll yeah! Bring 'em all on. We're gonna get taken to the woodshed at first, but playing the best brings out your best and will only go to further strengthen our team. A couple years down the road, A&M will be used to playing the toughest conference schedule and will be a much more complete team because of it.

Also, if we do go to the SEC, a great selling point for potential recruits is that they will play at and against a number of the best programs in the country, while also staying in state and playing in the biggest game in the state of Texas on Thanksgiving.

ATXtexanfan
06-13-2010, 07:30 PM
The only reason that UH doesn't control a majority of this market is because our football/basketball teams have basically stunk for awhile and are coming back up. Remember the interest that was sparked when UH beat up SMU and TTU? Yeah. The city would root for UH if it were able to compete. UH would be able to recruit if it was able to get on national TV all the time playing <insert conference with BCS auto-bid>. Recruits would come to UH over other colleges if they were going to get national exposure playing <insert conference with BCS auto bid>.

UH can bring plenty to the table, and the fact that people watch UT and TAMU more than UH is because UH football has been dookie up until recently. Trust me, there are plenty of conferences that would look at UH with an interesting eye.

And no, I'm not an alumni. Thanks for the condescending tone though, must feel nice.

dude i wasn't trying to be a jerk, just noticed you pushing UH. i just dont see it with with UH. small school with no tradition. the interest sparked locally was up but not nationally. this is all about big boy football.

ATXtexanfan
06-13-2010, 07:51 PM
i think it would be sweet if a&m were in the sec

awtysst
06-13-2010, 07:56 PM
Hellll yeah! Bring 'em all on. We're gonna get taken to the woodshed at first, but playing the best brings out your best and will only go to further strengthen our team. A couple years down the road, A&M will be used to playing the toughest conference schedule and will be a much more complete team because of it.

Also, if we do go to the SEC, a great selling point for potential recruits is that they will play at and against a number of the best programs in the country, while also staying in state and playing in the biggest game in the state of Texas on Thanksgiving.

I have to respectfully disagree. Going to the SEC and continuing to play Texas is a brutal schedule. A schedule of LSU, Alabama, Texas, Mississippi, and Arkansas is brutal. In a down year Auburn STILL went 8-5. Then it is likely you face at least one of the following: Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. Brutal.

In college football wins=recruits. It will be easier to rebuild in a Pac 10 than SEC in my opinion. Look at Arkansas. Since joining the SEC they have never really gotten back to being a top dog.

I fear if A&M takes this route they will be not recover recruit wise.

pbat488
06-13-2010, 07:57 PM
Interesting take on expansion by a Florida fan.. a bit conspiracy minded, but he makes good points on the questions he brings up.

http://tamu.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=15&tid=144013790&mid=144013790&sid=893&style=2

JCTexan
06-13-2010, 08:56 PM
Hellll yeah! Bring 'em all on. We're gonna get taken to the woodshed at first, but playing the best brings out your best and will only go to further strengthen our team. A couple years down the road, A&M will be used to playing the toughest conference schedule and will be a much more complete team because of it.

Also, if we do go to the SEC, a great selling point for potential recruits is that they will play at and against a number of the best programs in the country, while also staying in state and playing in the biggest game in the state of Texas on Thanksgiving.

They will be taken to the woodshed for at least five years with that schedule, maybe even longer. They haven't been any good recently in the BigXII so I see no reason why they would be any better against a better SEC conference.

gwallaia
06-13-2010, 09:21 PM
dude i wasn't trying to be a jerk, just noticed you pushing UH. i just dont see it with with UH. small school with no tradition. the interest sparked locally was up but not nationally. this is all about big boy football.

UH a small school? That's news to me.

Ranking University Location Enrollment
1 The University of Texas at Austin Austin 51,032[1]
2 Texas A&M University College Station 48,787[2]
3 University of Houston Houston 37,006[3]
4 University of North Texas Denton 36,206[4]
5 Texas State University–San Marcos San Marcos 30,816[5]
6 Texas Tech University Lubbock 30,049[6]
7 The University of Texas at San Antonio San Antonio 29,133[7]
8 The University of Texas at Arlington Arlington 28,084[8]
9 The University of Texas at El Paso El Paso 21,011[9]
10 The University of Texas–Pan American Edinburg 17,534

Goldensilence
06-13-2010, 09:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5282178

Looks like the remaining smaller schools of the Big XII are trying to pitch keeping the conference intact.

I still think this would be the ideal situation for UT who whether people like it or not is the real lynchpin of whether the conference gets torn apart or not. Being able to pursue it's own TV deal will be a big for UT.

I still think they can keep the remaining members of the Big 12 and look at adding Arkansas and maybe UH or TCU.

For the record I still hope they can keep the Big 12 together.

rmartin65
06-13-2010, 10:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5282178

Looks like the remaining smaller schools of the Big XII are trying to pitch keeping the conference intact.

I still think this would be the ideal situation for UT who whether people like it or not is the real lynchpin of whether the conference gets torn apart or not. Being able to pursue it's own TV deal will be a big for UT.

I still think they can keep the remaining members of the Big 12 and look at adding Arkansas and maybe UH or TCU.

For the record I still hope they can keep the Big 12 together.

I think that it would be possible to keep the conference together, even if UT, TAMU, TT, OU, and OSU leave.

Remaining are

South: Baylor

North: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri

I dont think they will be able to pull any MWC teams, as they are looking good to get an automatic bid in the near future. The best bet is that they pull teams from the C-USA, Sun Belt, and WAC.

Possible teams (based on geography):

Conference USA
Houston
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
UTEP

Sun Belt
Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas

Western Athletic Conference
Louisiana Tech
New Mexico State

While not a sterling list, coupled with the teams already in the Big 12, the conference would be better than the CUSA, WAC or Sun Belt.

What I would do:

North:
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Tulsa
North Texas

South:
Baylor
Houston
SMU
UTEP
Louisiana Tech
Rice

I raid heavily from the CUSA, but I guess that keeps some rivalries intact.

JB
06-13-2010, 10:15 PM
I think that it would be possible to keep the conference together, even if UT, TAMU, TT, OU, and OSU leave.

Remaining are

South: Baylor

North: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri

I dont think they will be able to pull any MWC teams, as they are looking good to get an automatic bid in the near future. The best bet is that they pull teams from the C-USA, Sun Belt, and WAC.

Possible teams (based on geography):

Conference USA
Houston
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
UTEP

Sun Belt
Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas

Western Athletic Conference
Louisiana Tech
New Mexico State

While not a sterling list, coupled with the teams already in the Big 12, the conference would be better than the CUSA, WAC or Sun Belt.

What I would do:

North:
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Tulsa
North Texas

South:
Baylor
Houston
SMU
UTEP
Louisiana Tech
Rice

I raid heavily from the CUSA, but I guess that keeps some rivalries intact.

They would to rename the conference the "Little XII"

rmartin65
06-13-2010, 10:20 PM
They would to rename the conference the "Little XII"

Haha, that is probably true.

ATXtexanfan
06-13-2010, 10:22 PM
UH a small school? That's news to me.

Ranking University Location Enrollment
1 The University of Texas at Austin Austin 51,032[1]
2 Texas A&M University College Station 48,787[2]
3 University of Houston Houston 37,006[3]
4 University of North Texas Denton 36,206[4]
5 Texas State University–San Marcos San Marcos 30,816[5]
6 Texas Tech University Lubbock 30,049[6]
7 The University of Texas at San Antonio San Antonio 29,133[7]
8 The University of Texas at Arlington Arlington 28,084[8]
9 The University of Texas at El Paso El Paso 21,011[9]
10 The University of Texas–Pan American Edinburg 17,534

you know what i was saying, would you bet your house against them in a game vs UT or OU?

J_R
06-13-2010, 11:11 PM
Sounds like A&M is headed East

steelbtexan
06-13-2010, 11:40 PM
I'm a Horns fan and I hope A&M goes to the SEC. It would screw up the planned colusion of the Pac 10 and Big 10.

Destroying traditions are the only way the Pac10 and Big 10 can remain relevant in the current BCS system.

Screw'em

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 12:28 AM
I'm a Horns fan and I hope A&M goes to the SEC. It would screw up the planned colusion of the Pac 10 and Big 10.

Destroying traditions are the only way the Pac10 and Big 10 can remain relevant in the current BCS system.

Screw'em

If you want to blame someone, blame Notre Dame...or Nebraska...or Mizzou...:thinking:.

Anywho, I hope this goes through. I would be more than happy to have UT, OU, TT, and OSU in the PAC. UT + OU will dominate for a few years, especially with USC being sanctioned, but it will all pay off in the end and help toughen up the PAC as a whole. If A&M joins, great, if not, best of luck to them in the SEC.

steelbtexan
06-14-2010, 12:38 AM
I'm a Horn fan who blames the Horns the Pac10 and the Big 10.

This is all about power and $$$$.

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 01:03 AM
This is all about power and $$$$.

Can't argue with you there. Seems like mega conferences is where CFB is headed, not sure yet how to feel about that. Guess I'll get back at you 2 years from now :shades:.

b0ng
06-14-2010, 03:07 AM
Texas legislature to all parties involved. . . not so fast (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/13/expansion.sunday/).

"To make a final decision before Wednesday," Branch said, "would not be wise."

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/13/expansion.sunday/dan-branch-story-ap.jpg
Look at that ********* right there.

Chron article stating aggies are deucing to the SEC (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texasam/7051484.html).

Interesting day.

Chip Brown reporting BigXII making last ditch effort (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803)

It might be a long shot. It's probably the last shot. But three different sources at Big 12 South schools being targeted by the Pac-10 told Orangebloods.com Sunday morning Dan Beebe's assurances that a new TV deal can be reached on par with the SEC's $17 million/school for the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 is in play and being considered by Texas. The sources said they are proceeding cautiously with the new information from Beebe. But the proposal might at least slow down the rocket-like pace of Big 12 schools seeking a new home and possibly draw all the divided parties back to the table.

Goldensilence
06-14-2010, 10:40 AM
Interesting and though it's still very premature I think this was still going to be the best option for Texas and the remaining members of the Big 12.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038

pbat488
06-14-2010, 10:42 AM
Hahaha this is awesome from UTs lapdog Chip Brown...

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038

Sources say Texas Will Commit to 10-member Big 12

In a bombshell development that could bring a halt to seismic changes in college realignment, sources tell Orangebloods.com Texas has been convinced by a plan presented by commissioner Dan Beebe to stay in a 10-member Big 12.

-snip-

YOUR MOVE TEXAS A&M

The big question now is if Texas A&M, which, according to Orangebloods.com, has the votes on its nine-member Board of Regents to join the Southeastern Conference, would reconsider a possible move to the SEC and remain in the Big 12 with its long-time, in-state rival.

The stakes for Beebe to somehow rescue the Big 12 seemed to get exponentially higher on Sunday as Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott and chief operating officer Kevin Weiberg conducted a tour of Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Texas.

So either Texas A&M will consider Beebe's plan to rescue a 10-member Big 12. Or A&M will most likely end 100 years of tradition with rival Texas by heading to the SEC, likely triggering a exodus west of Texas, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and possibly Kansas. The Aggies can be seen as the final piece of the puzzle to holding the Big 12 together.

So basically what happened is A&M saw through all the BS and smoke being played by UT and now UT is mounting political pressure on A&M to coerce us into acting in accordance to what will benefit UT more than ourselves. I'll admit that I thought we had outplayed them in this whole situation but this move was very well done.

Basically, it's win-win for UT at this point. It's either A&M cowers and stays with the Big 12 while UT forms it's own network. Or A&M nuts up and goes to the SEC, somehow getting blamed for breaking up the Big 12 (which is complete BS) and forges a path on it's own. Then, if A&M does or even doesn't leave, it leaves open the Pac Teen to come for the others or all of us; which they probably had planned along.

I'll give it to Dodds, I thought he had played all his cards but he had an ace in the hole. As for A&M, I hope our Board of Regents and President have enough testicular fortitude to not stand for this BS and move on. Too long has UT and Dodds run things, and they've run two conferences into the ground. How long till they ruin the new Big 12 or Pac Teen?

I don't want to wait to find out.

Edit: If you didn't think Texas was pulling some strings for an all out power ploy, how can you not now? Texas is a great institution but they really are poison to a conference. They bring in truckloads of money, but they end up destroying the organization. They're like a sugar high, great at first but it doesn't last and eventually will rot your teeth.

b0ng
06-14-2010, 11:22 AM
I don't think UT is behind the whole "Legislature" thing. UT has been burned by those guys once and I don't know if they'd try to open that bag of poo again.

Be interesting to see if the politicos try to wrangle A&M into doing whatever UT does.

Goldensilence
06-14-2010, 11:32 AM
Hahaha this is awesome from UTs lapdog Chip Brown...

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038



So basically what happened is A&M saw through all the BS and smoke being played by UT and now UT is mounting political pressure on A&M to coerce us into acting in accordance to what will benefit UT more than ourselves. I'll admit that I thought we had outplayed them in this whole situation but this move was very well done.

Basically, it's win-win for UT at this point. It's either A&M cowers and stays with the Big 12 while UT forms it's own network. Or A&M nuts up and goes to the SEC, somehow getting blamed for breaking up the Big 12 (which is complete BS) and forges a path on it's own. Then, if A&M does or even doesn't leave, it leaves open the Pac Teen to come for the others or all of us; which they probably had planned along.

I'll give it to Dodds, I thought he had played all his cards but he had an ace in the hole. As for A&M, I hope our Board of Regents and President have enough testicular fortitude to not stand for this BS and move on. Too long has UT and Dodds run things, and they've run two conferences into the ground. How long till they ruin the new Big 12 or Pac Teen?

I don't want to wait to find out.

Edit: If you didn't think Texas was pulling some strings for an all out power ploy, how can you not now? Texas is a great institution but they really are poison to a conference. They bring in truckloads of money, but they end up destroying the organization. They're like a sugar high, great at first but it doesn't last and eventually will rot your teeth.

Only through maroon colored glasses do you think this is all UT's fault and political pressure will only be mounted by UT. I also find it weird that everything wrong with the Big 12 get saddled on them by you. I think a lot of fault goes with Beebe and the schools not doing realignment sooner when they realized it was getting lopsided and not voting on a plus one game to be instituted.

A lot also has to do with the Big X making a play with it's network and wanting to expand it. Not really the conference, but the revenue the network brings in.

I think Baylor is in a pretty desperate spot right now and most of the political pressure will come from them and some could come from outside Texas as well with other schools desperately wanting to keep what's left of the Big 12 together.

Stemp
06-14-2010, 11:38 AM
Texas isn't behind the Legislature and it doesn't really matter because they are not in session and Perry isn't going to call an emergency session just to deal with conference realignment. However, the media perception of this whole situation has been very much manipulated by the Texas brass. Almost all of the reports coming out of media are from Texas sources, namely Chip Brown (who likely has Dodds on speed dial and a special ring). The funny thing is, A&M has been very consistant in its stance to examine all options. Texas has been flipping between pushing the PAC 10 and keeping the Big 12 together. Funny also that the votes by regents of UT and Tech are scheduled for Tuesday and the committee meeting in the TExas House is Wednesday and there has been no word of the votes being pushed back.

Dan B.
06-14-2010, 12:20 PM
Hahaha this is awesome from UTs lapdog Chip Brown...

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038



So basically what happened is A&M saw through all the BS and smoke being played by UT and now UT is mounting political pressure on A&M to coerce us into acting in accordance to what will benefit UT more than ourselves. I'll admit that I thought we had outplayed them in this whole situation but this move was very well done.

Basically, it's win-win for UT at this point. It's either A&M cowers and stays with the Big 12 while UT forms it's own network. Or A&M nuts up and goes to the SEC, somehow getting blamed for breaking up the Big 12 (which is complete BS) and forges a path on it's own. Then, if A&M does or even doesn't leave, it leaves open the Pac Teen to come for the others or all of us; which they probably had planned along.

I'll give it to Dodds, I thought he had played all his cards but he had an ace in the hole. As for A&M, I hope our Board of Regents and President have enough testicular fortitude to not stand for this BS and move on. Too long has UT and Dodds run things, and they've run two conferences into the ground. How long till they ruin the new Big 12 or Pac Teen?

I don't want to wait to find out.

Edit: If you didn't think Texas was pulling some strings for an all out power ploy, how can you not now? Texas is a great institution but they really are poison to a conference. They bring in truckloads of money, but they end up destroying the organization. They're like a sugar high, great at first but it doesn't last and eventually will rot your teeth.

UT didn't break up the SWC. Arkansas bolted for the SEC, where they have managed to ruin their once stellar basketball team and gone from a good football team to a doormat. UT was talking about going to the PAC10 (with A&M) in the early '90's, but the state leg (mainly Ann Richards) basically forced them to take Tech and Baylor along, which nixed the Pac.

Texas does not control the state Leg. Perry (A&M) and Hance (Tech) have more control than any UT Legislator does.

If Texas just did what was best for Texas -- the way A&M wants to do -- they would have bolted for the West or Big 10 long ago. However they have consistently considered the needs of other state universities in their decisions, not just UT's. In the past this was due to outside pressure, but in these negotiations UT has consistently maintained that they will keep their conference rivals in their conference. They are not abandoning everyone else to serve their own interests. That's on A&M.

I think UT is taking the right course in this, because your traditional conference rivals are why traditions mean something. One would think that they want to preserve these traditional rivalries, in particular at A&M. It's what I just cannot understand about Nebraska's decision. They tossed away rivals that they have been playing for over a century and chose to go at it alone. The way Arkansas did.

pbat488
06-14-2010, 12:42 PM
Texas puts up a good front with all of it's friendly media in the state, but you seriously think they care about Tech? The only reason, and I mean ONLY reason, Tech got invited to Pac Teen was so Texas had enough allies to more easily block or pass conference votes. If Tech is there, UT has them and in essence OSU and OU as lapdogs and only has to convince a couple other schools to vote against, in most cases, the California bloc.

I think UT is taking the right course in this, because your traditional conference rivals are why traditions mean something. One would think that they want to preserve these traditional rivalries, in particular at A&M. It's what I just cannot understand about Nebraska's decision. They tossed away rivals that they have been playing for over a century and chose to go at it alone. The way Arkansas did.

Nebraska left it's decades old rivals to get away from Texas. Yes, the Big 10 offered a better financial deal, but they wouldn't have been so open to moving if it wasn't for wanting to be rid of UT.

Dan B.
06-14-2010, 12:50 PM
Texas puts up a good front with all of it's friendly media in the state, but you seriously think they care about Tech? The only reason, and I mean ONLY reason, Tech got invited to Pac Teen was so Texas had enough allies to more easily block or pass conference votes. If Tech is there, UT has them and in essence OSU and OU as lapdogs and only has to convince a couple other schools to vote against, in most cases, the California bloc.

Tech is the reason UT didn't bail for the Big 10. You honestly think the Big 10 would rather have Nebraska than UT?

I don't see decades long rivals as lapdogs. I see them as allies. Kind of like each military branch can dog the other, but they band together against outsiders. Or like you can make fun of your brother, but you stand by him in the schoolyard. A&M is leaving their brothers behind.

Nebraska left it's decades old rivals to get away from Texas. Yes, the Big 10 offered a better financial deal, but they wouldn't have been so open to moving if it wasn't for wanting to be rid of UT.

Which is just sad. Nebraska benefits from unequal revenue. NU voted for unequal revenue distribution. They sure as hell can't whine about it now. They were upset about being outvoted 11-1 a few times in the old Big 12 (like with partial qualifiers or JerryWorld for the CG), which is even more likely in the new Big 12. Because they are going at it solo without anyone to back them up. Or do you think the Big 10 is going to vote with Nebraska on a hypothetical CG in Kansas City?

Texas didn't kill Nebraska. UT isn't even in their division. They play them twice every four years, not counting Big 12 Championships (which NU would be in if they could beat teams other than UT). Nebraska killed Nebraska by hiring bad coaches and nostalgically reminiscing about the old days while other teams passed them by. UT had the same issue for a long time in the 80's - '90's. A&M has that problem now, and I'm not sold on Sherman as the answer in the SEC. If Spurrier can't do it, I don't think Mike can.

Texas and the rest of the Big 12 South are openly, obviously, encouraging A&M to stay by their side, whatever may happen. A&M is pretty openly looking to leave. They are welcome to do so -- they can look out for what's best for them -- but don't whine and blame others about your decision. Don't pretend that looking out for what's good for you doesn't also mean that you are deciding to NOT look out for anyone else's interests but your own. That isn't UT's fault. It's A&M's.

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 12:56 PM
Sources: Departure to Pac-10 coming (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5284375)
The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-10 is imminent, four sources within the Big 12 said Monday.

One source said commissioner Dan Beebe's last-minute plan to save the conference has "zero" chance to succeed. Another source said it is "very unlikely" to succeed.

Texas' interests in being aligned with the research opportunities and academic missions of Pac-10 schools is driving the decision, along with money.

Beebe's last-ditch plan included an emotional plea about preserving rivalries and maintaining the best welfare of the student-athlete, one source said.

Texas A&M is now most likely to join the SEC, a source within the Big 12 said. This move, in the wake of Colorado and Nebraska's departure, would further diminish the chance of Beebe's plan succeeding, one source said.

Texas' decision is expected to come no later than Tuesday. One source familiar with Texas' plans suggested a hearing on Wednesday at the Texas House of Representatives is "a nonfactor."

A report on Orangebloods.com said that Texas is committed to discussions with the remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 about a plan put together by Beebe that would keep the league intact with its current programs.

The plan includes assurances that a TV deal could net each schools between $14 million and $17 million, Orangebloods.com reported, and schools such as Texas could still have their own TV network.


Ugh, I can't wait until Tuesday :brickwall:.

b0ng
06-14-2010, 01:35 PM
For big laughs everybody shoult google "Rexas to stay in BigXII" and "Texas to go to PAC-10". It's pretty hilarious.

HoustonFrog
06-14-2010, 02:31 PM
TCU Rules

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 03:05 PM
Time to play the waiting game. ESPN is saying the decision by UT OU & the others will come either later today or tomorrow and A&M will be headed to the SEC.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/751/popcornj.gif

*EDIT*

http://twitter.com/schadjoe (ESPN reporter who earlier reported move to PAC-10 is "imminent")
@chipbrownob is correct. Beebe's proposal, one source said, is "gaining traction."


http://twitter.com/chipbrownob
I'm not backing off this story about Texas willing to commit to a remodeled Big 12.

Texas stands to make between $20 mil and $25 mil per yr under a proposed new TV pkg presented by Dan Beebe, plus UT's own network.

All 10 schools remaining in the Big 12 are are at the table working on a deal that would save the league, sources tell Orangebloods.com.

An announcement that a remodeled Big 12 will survive with a new television deal could be announced as early as Monday, sources say.

If Big 12 ties things up and saves the league, look for Pac-10 commish Larry Scott to start courting Utah as the 12th addition to P10.

This train to save the Big 12 is rolling folks

A&M is at the table and Gene Stallings told AP he'd be "tickled" if B12 saved. ..

Once Neb and CU made their moves, a TV network saw realignment about to blow and stepped forward with the plan stop chaos and save B12.

-----------------------------------------------------
Looks like we (as in the PAC-10) got played :rake:.

Stemp
06-14-2010, 03:12 PM
The new deal gives Texas $8-$10 million more per year than other schools plus their own network. A&M will likely agree to the deal only with equal revenue sharing and a split "Lone Star Network". The question is will Texas blink and refuse to give up their bigger share for "the good of the conference". My money is on NO.

Spled
06-14-2010, 03:21 PM
It's starting to look like Beebe may have pulled it off - http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/96310899.html

Drayton McLane says it best -

"The rivalries between Texas, Texas A&M and Baylor have lasted more than 100 years," McLane said. "Those are treasured assets in this state. And to see them broken up and discarded would be a travesty.

"Sometimes we make decisions faster than we should. I would like to encourage the universities to see the issues as they are, the tradition. To wipe out over 100 years of tradition and go start playing on the west or east coast, that just doesn't fit what this state is all about."

Dan B.
06-14-2010, 03:24 PM
The new deal gives Texas $8-$10 million more per year than other schools plus their own network. A&M will likely agree to the deal only with equal revenue sharing and a split "Lone Star Network". The question is will Texas blink and refuse to give up their bigger share for "the good of the conference". My money is on NO.

A&M agreed (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3409420) to the unequal distribution model the Big12 had in place. Nebraska voted for it too (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/12822/mailbag-ut-hype-nu-offense-and-revenue) since they got more than most, and were paid 1.1 mil less than UT despite earning FAR less for the conference. They liked the current Big 12 model, because even if they don't get as much as Texas they still get more than ISU or KSU. That's why the model is in place -- AD's have to vote against it in order for it to be rescinded. Texas only gets one vote.

Maybe A&M is in favor of socialism all of a sudden -- I dunno. But they certainly weren't when they had a chance to vote on the matter.

rmartin65
06-14-2010, 03:29 PM
If the Big 12 is saved, I dont think the PAC 10 will get Utah. With the addition of Boise State, the MWC is looking good, with 4 teams (BYU, TCU, Utah and Boise State) competing for BCS bids. Actually, I dont think they will be able to poach any team from the MWC, exactly for that reason. The PAC 10's best bet is to try and steal from the WAC. Fresno State is my best guess.

The Big 12 will have 2 choices- stay with 10 teams, or find 2 more.

HoustonFrog
06-14-2010, 03:46 PM
It's starting to look like Beebe may have pulled it off - http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/96310899.html

Drayton McLane says it best -

"The rivalries between Texas, Texas A&M and Baylor have lasted more than 100 years," McLane said. "Those are treasured assets in this state. And to see them broken up and discarded would be a travesty.

"Sometimes we make decisions faster than we should. I would like to encourage the universities to see the issues as they are, the tradition. To wipe out over 100 years of tradition and go start playing on the west or east coast, that just doesn't fit what this state is all about."

Drayton, no one cares about Baylor. Stay out of it and concentrate on baseball.

HOU-TEX
06-14-2010, 03:57 PM
Drayton, no one cares about Baylor. Stay out of it and concentrate on baseball.

Umm....NO! The Stros are doing bad enough, thanks.

Anywho, I might be asking a dumb question, but if the remaining 10 teams decide to stay in the Big 12 would they try to recruit 2 teams? Maybe a UH or a TCU type team?

Dutchrudder
06-14-2010, 03:58 PM
Drayton, no one cares about Baylor. Stay out of it and concentrate on baseball.

Seriously. Baylor and Iowa State are a drag on the Big 12 and always have been. I know every conference has their dogs, but neither of these two contribute much at all to the conference. Iowa State in particular due to the travel needed to go beat them.

I'd rather see U of H, UTEP, Colorado State, TCU, BYU, Utah, Arkansas or Memphis join and drop those two in the process. (Memphis for the cash :D)

Dutchrudder
06-14-2010, 04:05 PM
FYI: I doubt this is a serious factor in A&M's push for the SEC, but the Aggies are scheduled to play Arkansas at the Jerrydome for the next 9 years. It is now known as the "Southwest Classic". Apparently Jerry Jones is a Razorback Alumnus.


March 10, 2008

Texas A&M University, the University of Arkansas and the Dallas Cowboys organization have announced the formation of a football neutral site series to be played in the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

The 10-year agreement calls for the series to begin in Oct. 3, 2009 with Arkansas serving as the home team in odd years and Texas A&M as the home team in even years. The stadium is expected to seat approximately 80,000 for this game with the distribution split evenly between the two institutions. With the configuration of the end zones the capacity could increase to 100,000.
...
Arkansas leads the all-time series, 38-24-3. The last 10 clashes were split evenly with each school winning five times. The last meeting was Nov. 16, 1991 at Kyle Field with Texas A&M winning, 13-3, in a game nationally televised by ESPN. The Razorbacks came out in the wishbone formation on offense that day, but the Wrecking Crew held the Hogs to 121 yards of total offense.

IDEXAN
06-14-2010, 04:11 PM
Seriously. Baylor and Iowa State are a drag on the Big 12 and always have been.
The real drag on the "Big 12" is the whole North division, now that Nebraska is gone. Anybody who saw that championship game in Arlington knows that the Cornhukers beat UT, and that was the reclamation of their football program to its former strength. But now with Nebraskas departure to the Big 10, that whole divison is a joke when it comes to football.

Yankee_In_TX
06-14-2010, 04:14 PM
I would love if the Big 12 went to 10 and dropped their conference championship that Big 12 fans have bitched and moaned and complained at the Big 10 for not having since the BCS formed.

Conference championships were created for $$$$$$$$. And if you think it puts your conference at a national disadvantage then drop the game and lose the $ - but quit complaining about conference that don't have them.

(and yes, I hate the fact that I think the Big 10 will now have one because Big 10 is super anti-playoff and IMHO conference championships are in the direction of AWAY from a college football playoff system).

HoustonFrog
06-14-2010, 04:25 PM
Umm....NO! The Stros are doing bad enough, thanks.

Anywho, I might be asking a dumb question, but if the remaining 10 teams decide to stay in the Big 12 would they try to recruit 2 teams? Maybe a UH or a TCU type team?

I was hoping when all this started going down but it looks like they like 10 now. I was hoping for the Big 12 to be destroyed and all teams to scatter. TCU would be a prt of one of the big conferences and have BCS chances instead of having to run the table from the outside like last year. I kind of like a shakeup here and there. I still think the other conferences will add schools.

Second Honeymoon
06-14-2010, 04:38 PM
The real drag on the "Big 12" is the whole North division, now that Nebraska is gone. Anybody who saw that championship game in Arlington knows that the Cornhukers beat UT, and that was the reclamation of their football program to its former strength. But now with Nebraskas departure to the Big 10, that whole divison is a joke when it comes to football.

Umm, no. Nebraska did not beat Texas in that game. Texas won the game and won it legitimately.

Nebraska may have played better in some phases but they did not beat Texas. Texas won and were deserved of the victory albeit much closer than most had predicted.

b0ng
06-14-2010, 05:34 PM
1) Since the Big XII is deciding to stay pat at 10 teams there will be no CCG, and there is not going to be a North/South split to the divisions. Everybody plays each other and you still get 3 OOC games.

2) No way TCU or Houston would ever get into the BigXII as long as UT and Baylor are there. No way, no how, they will always get the perpetual middle finger. You can look to the 2001 UT/UH game played at Robertson (known as bleachergate), and since TCU postured a little bit during this whole realignment talk against Baylor, expect bad feelings forever from those guys. I really am hoping that Utah leaves MWC (sorry Horned Frog) and that they replace them with UH, but even then, there's probably a different team they have their eye on. I expect that UH will have to somehow blow away CUSA for a decade straight before they get asked to go somewhere else.

HoustonFrog
06-14-2010, 05:50 PM
1) Since the Big XII is deciding to stay pat at 10 teams there will be no CCG, and there is not going to be a North/South split to the divisions. Everybody plays each other and you still get 3 OOC games.

2) No way TCU or Houston would ever get into the BigXII as long as UT and Baylor are there. No way, no how, they will always get the perpetual middle finger. You can look to the 2001 UT/UH game played at Robertson (known as bleachergate), and since TCU postured a little bit during this whole realignment talk against Baylor, expect bad feelings forever from those guys. I really am hoping that Utah leaves MWC (sorry Horned Frog) and that they replace them with UH, but even then, there's probably a different team they have their eye on. I expect that UH will have to somehow blow away CUSA for a decade straight before they get asked to go somewhere else.


TCU has done no posturing. In fact they pretty much stayed out of the fray and said they were going to sit in the MWC and see where the chips fell. There was also talk of Baylor joining them in the MWC if they were left out of the Pac-10. They pretty much have been in a wait and see pattern.

b0ng
06-14-2010, 06:30 PM
TCU has done no posturing. In fact they pretty much stayed out of the fray and said they were going to sit in the MWC and see where the chips fell. There was also talk of Baylor joining them in the MWC if they were left out of the Pac-10. They pretty much have been in a wait and see pattern.

True or not Baylor fans and almuni have been talking about it (http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192865). These are people who hold grudges forever.

also LOL (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2010/06/big_12_could_st.html)

TL;DR Big12 might add BYU and Air Force.

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 06:52 PM
A lot of Longhorns fans on ShaggyBevo (http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/forumdisplay.php/7-Football) seem pretty ticked about how this has progressed. The Big 12-2 is a joke of a conference now, and unless they somehow grab Arkansas and another decent team it's lost a lot of credibility. Oh well, at least UT + OU will be getting paid :shades:.

Fans over at TexAgs (http://www.texags.com/main/forum.topic.asp?forum_id=5&days=2) aren't too happy though :D.

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 06:59 PM
Texas turns down Pac-10; Big 12 schools have framework of deal (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/061510dnspoblogcoll.a2975b0c.html)
By CHUCK CARLTON / The Dallas Morning News

The remaining Big 12 members are close to a remarkable comeback that will ensure the conference's viability of 10 members a source familiar with the negotiations told The Dallas Morning News.

Several small details need to be ironed out, but the framework of an agreement appeared to be in place Monday afternoon.

Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott confirmed that the University of Texas has declined an invitation to join the conference. The decision will preserve the Big 12 as a 10-team conference, assuming Texas A&M elects to remain. Texas A&M officials were deliberating Monday afternoon.

In a brief phone conversation, Scott said: "We've been informed by University of Texas president Bill Powers that Texas will stay with the Big 12. We have not received definitive details about this decision. It is our understanding that Texas was going to meet the terms that we have proposed."

As he left the Main Building, Powers declined comment.

Big 12 member schools and TV partners met Monday to work on a lucrative television deal that would convince the University of Texas and three other schools -- Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech -- to abandon pursuit of Pac-10 membership.

The TV dollars were also enough to convince Texas A&M to stay with the conference. The Aggies had been pursuing a bid to the Southeastern Conference.

Under Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe's plan, Texas would see a sharp increase in revenue under a new cable TV right deal with Fox Sports. Because of the Big 12's revenue sharing formula, Texas would probably make more than the $17 million average, perhaps close to $20 million. The Longhorns would also be allowed to form their own network, something that would not be allowed in the Pac-10.

A source said the network could eventually produce up to $5 million in revenue based on projections, which would likely bring Texas more money than a move to the Pac-10.

Another reason the conference remained intact was team travel, especially without the possibility of Texas A&M, despite the Pac-10's hope to focus on divisional travel and avoid numerous distant road trips to the Northwest.

The fate of the conference born in 1996 when the Big 8 merged with four members of the Southwest Conference has been at risk for days, and Texas emerged as the key to the Big 12's survival when Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-10) decided to leave over the next two years. The Pac-10 has courted Texas and other Big 12 South Division schools, while Texas A&M reportedly expressed interest in going to the Southeastern Conference barring a better offer.

Big 12 officials have told member schools that the loss of the Denver television market and Nebraska would not weaken the league's negotiating position with TV networks as much as feared, the person said.

Texas, the biggest and most lucrative of the Big 12 members, has been the pied piper in the league discussions, with other schools seemingly ready to line up behind the Longhorns once the school decides where it wants its cash cow football program to compete.

Regents at Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have scheduled meetings Tuesday and Wednesday to discuss conference allegiances. Texas A&M regents are expected to meet later this week.

Well, it was a fun weekend at least with all this CFB drama.

awtysst
06-14-2010, 07:13 PM
So does the Big XII try to pull in 2 more teams? If so I think Arkansas and Utah/BYU would be great choices to make the Big XII stronger than it currently is.

I would not even mind Arkansas and Ole Miss.

b0ng
06-14-2010, 07:18 PM
So does the Big XII try to pull in 2 more teams? If so I think Arkansas and Utah/BYU would be great choices to make the Big XII stronger than it currently is.

I would not even mind Arkansas and Ole Miss.

Doubtful, I don't see UT being cool with adding 2 more teams unless they bring in the cashola.

Wolf
06-14-2010, 07:22 PM
If the Big 12 is able to work out a deal with its 10 remaining teams, it's likely Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott would look to add Utah as the 12th member of his league and launch a conference network in 2012, sources said.



Sources say if the Pac-10 is ultimately denied by the Big 12 South schools, Scott would likely extend an invitation to Utah and wrap up the Pac-10's expansion at 12.


The Big 12 would proceed with 10 teams. Everyone would play everyone in football, providing a nine-game conference schedule.

--The conference championship game would be dumped in the short-term (because the NCAA mandates 12 schools for a football title game).




BIG 12-LITE HAS A PULSE

So hold on folks. This is about to get interesting. The key in all of this now is Texas A&M will come back to the table and rethink its position on leaving for the Pac-10 and is considering the Beebe proposal.

Texas A&M has been in deep discussions with the SEC and as of Saturday night had enough votes on its Board of Regents to join the SEC (believed to be 6-3).

But the dissenting votes on A&M's regents board are apparently passionate about keeping Texas and A&M together and not breaking up a 100-year rivalry by having the schools head to different leagues.

Sources say SEC commissioner Mike Slive was in College Station Saturday. Sources close to the situation say A&M has an invitation to the SEC if it wants it. The SEC has also been doggedly pursuing Oklahoma.

But with news that Texas and Texas A&M are now willing to stay put, the Big 12 just might survive after all.

Stay tuned.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 07:24 PM
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6299/newbig12logo.jpg

Found that image on the OU forums :spit:.

Does anyone know if that meeting on Tuesday is still happening between the Texas schools? If so, there may still be hope...

Blake
06-14-2010, 07:26 PM
So does the Big XII try to pull in 2 more teams? If so I think Arkansas and Utah/BYU would be great choices to make the Big XII stronger than it currently is.

I would not even mind Arkansas and Ole Miss.

That is a good question. Would any SEC teams want into a conference that almost folded up shop? Doubt it. I really wish Nebraska and Colorado stayed.

Personally I think LSU and Arkansas would make alot of sense. But if no SEC, then I would probably look at TCU and New Mexico.

rmartin65
06-14-2010, 07:44 PM
That is a good question. Would any SEC teams want into a conference that almost folded up shop? Doubt it. I really wish Nebraska and Colorado stayed.

Personally I think LSU and Arkansas would make alot of sense. But if no SEC, then I would probably look at TCU and New Mexico.

Man, you and New Mexico...

I still say, and will continue to say, that no MWC team moves. They are on the verge of having an automatic bid, and just got stronger with Boise State.

MojoMan
06-14-2010, 07:54 PM
Keeping the Big 12 together will be good. I am glad that is the way this is going to work out. If the Big 12 can add two more teams, and the Pac 10 can add one more team, then all of the major conferences will have 12 teams, each with a conference championship game in football. The symmetry of all this appeals to me. Its all good.

HoustonFrog
06-14-2010, 07:59 PM
True or not Baylor fans and almuni have been talking about it (http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192865). These are people who hold grudges forever.

also LOL (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2010/06/big_12_could_st.html)

TL;DR Big12 might add BYU and Air Force.

I knew that came out but I heard that rumor was shot down in a report right after it.

I heard the BYU and Air Force thing too. Doesn't make sense to me.

I don't like this Big 10 idea. Seems much weaker in the long run. Eventually I believe the SEC and Pac 10 will continue to gobble up teams and the Big 12(10) will look horribly insuffiecient.

JB
06-14-2010, 08:01 PM
I knew that came out but I heard that rumor was shot down in a report right after it.

I heard the BYU and Air Force thing too. Doesn't make sense to me.

Me neither. I would prefer to see TCU and UH/Arkansas

HoustonFrog
06-14-2010, 08:04 PM
Me neither. I would prefer to see TCU and UH/Arkansas

Me too. I'd love to have TCU and U of H and have a division of old SWC rivals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672

Oklahoma and Texas A&M also say they will stay in the Big 12, which on Friday seemed in danger of falling apart after Nebraska and Colorado both decided to leave over the next two years.

"The decision to stay in the Big 12 represents a consensus position which resulted from a collaborative effort with our colleagues in the conference," Oklahoma president David L. Boren and vice president and director of athletics Joe Castiglione said in a joint statement. "We value the strong working relationship that has been reaffirmed during this process among the conference members. We intend to work very hard to make the conference as lasting and dynamic as possible. We appreciate the respect and interest that has been shown to OU during this process."

pbat488
06-14-2010, 08:06 PM
Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

MojoMan
06-14-2010, 08:12 PM
Me too. I'd love to have TCU and U of H and have a division of old SWC rivals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672

I could certainly see TCU, and I hope they are added to the Big 12. But UH, not so much. The Cougars are just not up to standard in quite a few different areas.

ATXtexanfan
06-14-2010, 08:14 PM
so is it espn making a play to save the big 12 so fox doesn't get its hands on the pac 16? this sucks, UT v OU and nothing else.

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 08:21 PM
Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

Soo...guess its time to switch your avatar back eh? :kitten:

Seriously though, I agree with you and doubt this Texas Ten/ Big 12-2/ Big 12 Lite/ etc will last long. I'm still hoping A&M mans up and heads to the SEC, which will basically kill all hopes of saving the Big 12 and Beebe keeping his job.

so is it espn making a play to save the big 12 so fox doesn't get its hands on the pac 16? this sucks, UT v OU and nothing else.

Thats what I've been hearing, and while its just a rumor, it does make a lot of sense and would explain why the whole Pac-16 idea fell apart in only 3 days.

JB
06-14-2010, 08:21 PM
I could certainly see TCU, and I hope they are added to the Big 12. But UH, not so much. The Cougars are just not up to standard in quite a few different areas.

You have to remember that they are not just looking at sporting revenue. But also tv markets, research allowances & grants and academics.

I think UH stacks up well in those areas.

Spled
06-14-2010, 08:26 PM
A conference with UT, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas State is still pretty powerful. I'm glad to see the Texas and Oklahoma rivalries still intact.

Dutchrudder
06-14-2010, 08:33 PM
Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

Ditto. I can't believe they are doing this. I thought for sure they would go SEC or at least Pac-10. The Big 12 better make some moves soon, or it won't have much of a future. I just hope the SEC doesn't fill those spots before the Big 12 cracks.


I could certainly see TCU, and I hope they are added to the Big 12. But UH, not so much. The Cougars are just not up to standard in quite a few different areas.

I would like U of H purely for selfish reasons, because it would mean I could see the Aggies in Houston every other year, instead of driving to College Station for a game.

I don't think the Big 12 actually needs U of H for the Houston market, since most games are already televised here. Now if the SEC was getting A&M/U of H, then they would be expanding their TV market.

pbat488
06-14-2010, 08:51 PM
well, this was funny about 8 hours ago.. not so much anymore...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=snibbe/hruby/100614_conference_logos

Stemp
06-14-2010, 09:46 PM
Apparently, the TV deal is with Fox Sports Net. So, no national exposure, just regional.
This smells rotten to the core.

Second Honeymoon
06-14-2010, 10:04 PM
Looks like Fox was under the gun and gave the Big12 a fat raise
Fox had to overpay or they would have been locked out of college fb

as for possible expansion that won't happen due to splitting that TV pie
I do think if this is a long term move, and I don't think it is, they should look at TCU and Rice.

How bad does Mizzou look in all this. The big10 treated them like the ugly chick with the hot friend. Use em to get close to the hot chick then never call them again. Were a Mizzou family up in St. Louis but they really got caught with their pants down but I guess every school got more money and security so even they look good in the end. A&M is staying right? Hope so as that game has a lot of history especially when you look at respective fightsongs and hallowed traditions like the bonfire. RIP

well are we still called big12? The Mid Ten? The Bigger 10?
The Temporary 10?

Goldensilence
06-14-2010, 10:12 PM
Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.

Ummmm so as a reminder :

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=245&year=2009

September 5 New Mexico W 41-6 1-0 (0-0)

September 19 Utah State W 38-30 2-0 (0-0)

September 26 UAB W 56-19 3-0 (0-0)

October 3 vs. Arkansas* L 47-19 3-1 (0-0)

October 10 No. 15 Oklahoma State L 36-31 3-2 (0-1)

October 17 at Kansas State L 62-14 3-3 (0-2)

October 24 at Texas Tech W 52-30 4-3 (1-2)

October 31 Iowa State W 35-10 5-3 (2-2)

November 7 at Colorado L 35-34 5-4 (2-3)

November 14 at Oklahoma L 65-10 5-5 (2-4)

November 21 Baylor W 38-3 6-5 (3-4)

November 26 No. 3 Texas L 49-39 6-6 (3-5)

December 28 vs. Georgia* L 44-20 6-7 (3-5)

The two middle of the road SEC teams A&M played last year beat them pretty soundly. Aggies seriously want to walk into the frey of the SEC?

So pretty much you'd exchange the shadow of UT and OU with LSU and Alabama. You get a wildcard like OKST in Ole Miss. Pretty near style of play from Arkansas that TT ran under Leach Auburn is going to be tough in a down year and to ease up you get Miss State. That doesn't include who you could possibly play on the other side with Georgia, Florida, Tenn and Spurrier in SC.

Tell me what's the big change from the SEC East from the former Big 12 South?

Also for someone who talks about the Big 12 North A&M was only 1-2 vs them last year. Funny you mention K-State as well...they rocked your boys pretty bad last year.

Here's my suggestion. Drop the Big 12 moniker and re-name/go back to the SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE. Then in a couple of years after the conference regroups you can add UH(who is bolstering their faculties) and look to add another old member like TCU or Arkansas.

Second Honeymoon
06-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Apparently, the TV deal is with Fox Sports Net. So, no national exposure, just regional.
This smells rotten to the core.

Yeah but the big ones will be on Fox nationally. I think Fox no longer has as much Nascar so they would be more open schedule wise.

One thing schools like Texas need to know is that they need to play a tougher out of conference schedule now that there is no more championship game

Texas can't sit back and just beat OU, OSU, and A&M and act like that is enough to guarantee BCS title game. It might not be anymore

edit: love the idea of going back to the monicker of Southwest Conference

They should try and schedule Notre Dame or TCU to compensate for lost conference prestige and standing.

Kulluminatii
06-14-2010, 10:15 PM
Source: Influential group saved Big 12 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286816)

In an unprecedented move, a number of influential people inside and outside of college athletics mobilized over the past week to save the Big 12 Conference, stave off the Pac-10's move to expand to 16 schools and prevent a massive reorganization of college athletics.

An NCAA source with direct knowledge of what occurred told ESPN.com that the aggressiveness of the Pac-10 caused various factions of the collegiate sports world to coalesce. They then worked to slow and try to stop the pace of moves that would have left a number of schools searching for a new conference home.

The source said the people involved were business executives, conference commissioners, athletic directors, network executives with ties throughout college athletics, administrators at many levels throughout the NCAA membership and a "fair number of them without a dog in the hunt."

According to the source, this collection of interested and influential people made phone calls, visited in person and held conference calls with the Big 12 schools that were being pursued, including Texas, as well as Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe. The influential group also helped broker the new television deal between Texas (and the other schools considering leaving the conference) and Beebe, who represented the remaining Big 12 schools.

According to the source, there was a growing sense that the Pac-10 was taking an approach inconsistent with the best interests and values of the schools impacted, both positively and negatively.

Late Monday, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said that Texas had rebuffed the league's invitation to join the conference. Soon after, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State announced they would remain in the Big 12. That meant the Big 12 wouldn't dissolve despite the fact Nebraska left for the Big Ten and Colorado left for the Pac-10. Several details remain, but Texas president William Powers Jr. told Scott "the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 Conference intend to stay together."

Scott reportedly was promising a Pac-10 network that had to include Texas to be a formidable option for cable providers in the Southwest and West Coast. The Pac-10 will negotiate a new television contract in 2012 and now must approach the talks as an 11-team league (as currently situated) or a 12-team league (if the Pac-10 opts for another member like Utah out of the Mountain West).

The Pac-10 was looking to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to join Colorado for a 16-team league. A&M was trying to get interest from the SEC. There was some early interest from the school, but no formal offer from the SEC.

The five schools without suitors -- Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Iowa State and Baylor -- were pushing to keep the league together. They were all advised to not dissolve the Big 12 if the others left in order to collect money due the league, including exit fees and NCAA tournament payments.

The decision by Texas to stay with the Big 12 slows down what was rumored to be widespread conference expansion. Now, the only moves finalized are Nebraska to the Big Ten (giving it 12 teams), the Pac-10 adding Colorado (going to 11 teams) and the Mountain West adding a 10th team (Boise State). Nebraska and Boise State are expected to begin play for the 2011-12 school year; Colorado's status hasn't been finalized.


Keeping the 10 schools in the Big 12 will allow the conference to keep its BCS automatic berth and its NCAA basketball tournament automatic berth. The Big 12 won't be allowed to hold a football championship game unless it adds two more members or works to change the rules, which currently require 12 teams to have a title game.

*Full article @ espn.com*

*EDIT*

Just some more info from these "sources".

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15295447

A source close to the Pac-10's expansion negotiations told The Denver Post on Monday that Texas insisted on better revenue sharing and its own network, which essentially killed the deal.

"In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting," the source said. "They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."

With all this info being released, its hard to believe any of it at this time. Hopefully things get cleared up tomorrow.

Mailman
06-14-2010, 10:27 PM
After endless speculation from numerous sources about UT going to the Pac-10, SEC, or Big Ten, this is the shittastic finale to the earth-shaking rumors about the college football landscape? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am a UT alum, but I have honestly never given two flipping chits about UT football because my sports allegiances were formed at an early age on the basis of geography. With all the tradition-based silliness and the goofy scripted cheers every fan is expected to know and shout throughout a game, college football never resonated with this diehard sports fan. I was done with high school and the crap that goes on at college football games is just like high school, only on a bigger scale. No thanks. For me it has always been and will always be about pro sports in my hometown-- Houston.

Houston Oil,er,Texans. Houston Astros. Houston Rockets.

Why should I give a shit about a sport that doesn't even have a playoff system? Why should I give a shit about my university's football program when, for the last decade plus it's been beating up on crappy football teams like Northeastern Idaho State and Nicholls State to start each and every Longhorn football campaign? WOOOOHOOO college football is soooo allsome!!! UT fans love to pop off about how f'n powerful the Longhorn football program has become on the national scene, but most of them have developed a selective case of amnesia. Many are spoiled blowhards who weren't around for the McWilliams/Mackovic years when UT was nothing on the national scene. I was there then and I couldn't have cared less about UT athletics. I was at UT to study. My sports watching schedule was all about the Oilers, Rockets, and Astros, not the damn Longhorns.

Given the success UT has tasted since their yearly five or six-win mediocrity when I was a student, I fully understand why the program's popularity has soared along with the athletic department revenues. Fans love winners. However, UT missed a golden opportunity to return the love to its expanding fanbase by rejecting the PAC 10's offer today. Instead of finally getting rid of these ridiculously weak schedules every year in favor of schools that can provide worthwhile competition, Dodds and Powers have guaranteed Texas a spot as the perennial powerhouse bully in conference of guppies. The only game that means anything is the game against Oklahoma, and it's not even in Austin! Way to f*ck your fanbase, Mr. Dodds.

COLLEGE. FOOTBALL. SUCKS.

pbat488
06-14-2010, 10:32 PM
Aggies seriously want to walk into the frey of the SEC?

Yes.



What I find ironic about the whole thing is that Texas reportedly turned down the SEC because of academics, but now with Colorado and Nebraska both gone, the academics between the conferences are a wash.

Taking data from http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings

Average of SEC schools: 90.6 with two tier 3 schools (Ole Miss, Miss St.)
Average of B12 schools: 82.3 with three tier 3 schools (KSU, OSU, and TTU)

JB
06-14-2010, 10:53 PM
Looks like Fox was under the gun and gave the Big12 a fat raise
Fox had to overpay or they would have been locked out of college fb

as for possible expansion that won't happen due to splitting that TV pie
I do think if this is a long term move, and I don't think it is, they should look at TCU and Rice.

How bad does Mizzou look in all this. The big10 treated them like the ugly chick with the hot friend. Use em to get close to the hot chick then never call them again. Were a Mizzou family up in St. Louis but they really got caught with their pants down but I guess every school got more money and security so even they look good in the end. A&M is staying right? Hope so as that game has a lot of history especially when you look at respective fightsongs and hallowed traditions like the bonfire. RIP

well are we still called big12? The Mid Ten? The Bigger 10?
The Temporary 10?

Drinkin' much Bud? :shots: Yoohoo!

Goldensilence
06-14-2010, 11:14 PM
After endless speculation from numerous sources about UT going to the Pac-10, SEC, or Big Ten, this is the shittastic finale to the earth-shaking rumors about the college football landscape? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am a UT alum, but I have honestly never given two flipping chits about UT football because my sports allegiances were formed at an early age on the basis of geography. With all the tradition-based silliness and the goofy scripted cheers every fan is expected to know and shout throughout a game, college football never resonated with this diehard sports fan. I was done with high school and the crap that goes on at college football games is just like high school, only on a bigger scale. No thanks. For me it has always been and will always be about pro sports in my hometown-- Houston.

Houston Oil,er,Texans. Houston Astros. Houston Rockets.

Why should I give a shit about a sport that doesn't even have a playoff system? Why should I give a shit about my university's football program when, for the last decade plus it's been beating up on crappy football teams like Northeastern Idaho State and Nicholls State to start each and every Longhorn football campaign? WOOOOHOOO college football is soooo allsome!!! UT fans love to pop off about how f'n powerful the Longhorn football program has become on the national scene, but most of them have developed a selective case of amnesia. Many are spoiled blowhards who weren't around for the McWilliams/Mackovic years when UT was nothing on the national scene. I was there then and I couldn't have cared less about UT athletics. I was at UT to study. My sports watching schedule was all about the Oilers, Rockets, and Astros, not the damn Longhorns.

Given the success UT has tasted since their yearly five or six-win mediocrity when I was a student, I fully understand why the program's popularity has soared along with the athletic department revenues. Fans love winners. However, UT missed a golden opportunity to return the love to its expanding fanbase by rejecting the PAC 10's offer today. Instead of finally getting rid of these ridiculously weak schedules every year in favor of schools that can provide worthwhile competition, Dodds and Powers have guaranteed Texas a spot as the perennial powerhouse bully in conference of guppies. The only game that means anything is the game against Oklahoma, and it's not even in Austin! Way to f*ck your fanbase, Mr. Dodds.

COLLEGE. FOOTBALL. SUCKS.

What a load of shit. Perhaps you can package it and sell it off as fertilizer.

Last year's schedule for perennial power house Florida:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=57&year=2009

Starting off against Charleston Southern and Troy and a late game with FIU.

How about Iowa's Big start:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=2294&year=2009

Northern Iowa and Iowa State.

Will anyone ***** about ACC runner up Clemson's start next year?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=228&year=2010

North Texas and... the Presbyterian Blue Hose?!

Really I just tired of people's argument about UT's schedule. Like they are the only school that starts off with a weak schedule or has to battle through a conference that isn't top to bottom filled with stiff competition.

Dan B.
06-14-2010, 11:20 PM
That is a good question. Would any SEC teams want into a conference that almost folded up shop? Doubt it. I really wish Nebraska and Colorado stayed.

Personally I think LSU and Arkansas would make alot of sense. But if no SEC, then I would probably look at TCU and New Mexico.

The Big 12-2 is not going to raid the SEC. There is no way they could pay Arky enough to bail. And I think the SEC is fine with their current format. They were willing to expand IF another conference goes mega 16, but as long as there is no competition for the top spot they will stay put IMO

Wolf
06-14-2010, 11:21 PM
and the reason the small schools schedule the big schools
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67686

ArlingtonTexan
06-14-2010, 11:27 PM
Source: Influential group saved Big 12 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286816)


*Full article @ espn.com*

*EDIT*

Just some more info from these "sources".

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15295447



With all this info being released, its hard to believe any of it at this time. Hopefully things get cleared up tomorrow.

Nothing shocking here. Once Texas had those terms from the Whatever the Big 12 is going to be called in the future of course they are going use the leverage that they had. When they didn't have another deal, sure they were going to talk nice to the Pac 11. Once they had something to work with , theLonghorns went to work. Texas was interested in getting the best deal for the University of Texas. they did not care about rivalies, traditions, BCS, A & M , Baylor, Mizzou, or whatever else has been discussed. The couple of weeks have been about Texas and their bottomline: nothing more nothing less.

Mailman
06-14-2010, 11:30 PM
Goldensilence, you just proved my point about college football. Thanks! By no means was my criticism of UT's notoriously weak OOC schedule unique to UT.

Here's the thing, though...right now UT is at the summit of college football with four BCS appearances in the last six years and two berths in the MNC game. UT makes more money than any college football program in the nation. UT can write its own ticket anywhere because it is the Big Prize for every conference and every TV network that wants to televise college football. When it came time to write that ticket, UT decided not to take the more competitive path out west in favor of staying in the same crappy conference, except now Nebraska is gone and there's no conference championship game.

I don't see how any Texas Longhorn football fan can be in favor of this move as it diminishes the value of every home game into the NFL equivalent of a preseason game. UT will demolish the Iowa States, Okie States, and Kansas States every time. The season boils down to the Red River Shootout and the BCS strength of schedule rankings. Boooooring.

Mailman
06-14-2010, 11:42 PM
http://www.statesman.com/news/t-boone-pickens-take-on-the-big-12-747411.html

T Boone talkin' smack and roflstomping Mizzou and the aTm.

TexanSam
06-15-2010, 12:22 AM
Since the name Big 12 isn't going to work, they should rename it back to the Southwest Conference. It's not the same teams but it still sounds cool

brakos82
06-15-2010, 12:41 AM
Since the name Big 12 isn't going to work, they should rename it back to the Southwest Conference. It's not the same teams but it still sounds cool

Or switch the Big 10 and Big 12.

*unrelated: 12,000 posts.

Dutchrudder
06-15-2010, 12:56 AM
Sounds like the Pac-10 just got Leigh Bodden'd!

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 02:01 AM
Sounds like the Pac-10 just got Leigh Bodden'd!

More like they just got Texans'd.

Kulluminatii
06-15-2010, 02:14 AM
More like they just got Texans'd.

You could also say they got ***** over by "business executives, conference commissioners, athletic directors, network executives with ties throughout college athletics, and administrators at many levels throughout the NCAA membership" :francis:.

IDEXAN
06-15-2010, 07:58 AM
It would have been really interesting to see the Big 12 South merge with the Pac 10 to potentially create the best football conference in the country, but instead the insecure town bully managed to chase off 2 more competitors (Nebrasda & Colorado) from its 'Hood while at once becoming more dominant at the expense of an even weaker conference.

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 10:19 AM
It would have been really interesting to see the Big 12 South merge with the Pac 10 to potentially create the best football conference in the country, but instead the insecure town bully managed to chase off 2 more competitors (Nebrasda & Colorado) from its 'Hood while at once becoming more dominant at the expense of an even weaker conference.

The weren't chased off. They left of their own free will. Nebraska left to pursue the money of the Big X network. Colorado probably left because it got an invite and the way things were looking they probably didn't want to get left out. Maybe they felt they were a better fit for the PAC-10. Really I just don't care.

Perhaps I just don't get the allure of 4 mega conferences? Do people really think that would've forced a playoff? Or are they pissed because they didn't see any REAL fireworks?

How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.

If they keep it at 10, which looks like the initial plan, it becomes the PAC-10 in the sense it plays a 9 game round robin schedule.

rmartin65
06-15-2010, 10:26 AM
I want conference championship games. So the PAC 10 needs to pick up one, and the Big 12 (10) needs to pick up two.

HoustonFrog
06-15-2010, 10:31 AM
The weren't chased off. They left of their own free will. Nebraska left to pursue the money of the Big X network. Colorado probably left because it got an invite and the way things were looking they probably didn't want to get left out. Maybe they felt they were a better fit for the PAC-10. Really I just don't care.

Perhaps I just don't get the allure of 4 mega conferences? Do people really think that would've forced a playoff? Or are they pissed because they didn't see any REAL fireworks?

How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.



Agree in part. Nebraska never liked the SWC teams joining the Big 8 and jumped the first chance they got. They were second fiddle in a conference when they were used to being the bully. You can't blame UT. They held the cards because they win and they set themselves up right.

As a TCU alum I wanted to see the mega conferences because it set TCU and the MWC schools up to add more teams and to become a player. It did lend itself to a better shot at a playoff system also. I just think the new 10 of the Big 12 is a little weak. They got their money but the conference isn't strong IMHO. They will have to add eventually to keep up with the SEC and Pac-10. In the long run, more money will be needed and these mega conferences will end up happening. To me this was a band-aid. Teams should have gone for the gold.

I want conference championship games. So the PAC 10 needs to pick up one, and the Big 12 (10) needs to pick up two.

I HATE conference championship games. Just creates havoc in the polls if someone has that one off day and it is all for money.

Second Honeymoon
06-15-2010, 10:36 AM
to anyone hating on Texas because they didn't go to the Pac10 or SEC, you would probably be hating on Texas if they left and screwed their other conference members. It's just hate and probably jealousy/envy.

Texas made the right move for itself and helped some of its conference brethren get a payraise in the process. As for the SEC and the question of academics, Texas gains nothing going to the SEC and it was never even considered a serious option.

The SEC does things their way and it works for them. Texas does things their way and SEC is not up to par with Big12 in academics. Much more of a student athlete atmosphere in Big12.

as for Texas' schedule, I think its pretty obvious they have to increase their out of conference schedule's difficulty. No doubt. It's not like their schedule is any easier, but the perception is that it is and when you couple that with no conference championship game, Texas would do well to add a decent team to its schedule. An annual TCU matchup makes sense especially now that TCU is trying to show that its a player in the BCS picture. If not TCU, then Notre Dame makes some sense as well.

As for Nebraska, they just got their panties in a wad over being exposed. UT exposed them as the fraud that they were, are, and always have been. They loved it when they played in the patty cake Big8 and went to the Rose Bowl every year. Now that they actually have other teams that can play football outside of OU, they got exposed.

And everyone hates on Mackovic, but he was a good recruiter (recruited Ricky) and he wasn't that bad. He won the first BigXII conference championship game and Nebraska got their feewings hurt.

Colorado is the big loser in all of this though. All the money they made with the move is now going to be spent on departure penalties and they could have gotten the same money by staying put.

PWNED BUFFS

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 10:38 AM
Agree in part. Nebraska never liked the SWC teams joining the Big 8 and jumped the first chance they got. They were second fiddle in a conference when they were used to being the bully. You can't blame UT. They held the cards because they win and they set themselves up right.

As a TCU alum I wanted to see the mega conferences because it set TCU and the MWC schools up to add more teams and to become a player. It did lend itself to a better shot at a playoff system also. I just think the new 10 of the Big 12 is a little weak. They got their money but the conference isn't strong IMHO. They will have to add eventually to keep up with the SEC and Pac-10. In the long run, more money will be needed and these mega conferences will end up happening. To me this was a band-aid. Teams should have gone for the gold.

Agree on the band aid part, but I think it will be a matter of time before what's left of the Big 12 goes for two more teams. I think those 2 are going to be TCU and UH. I just don't see a lot more options (well strong options) outside of those two except maybe trying to poach Arkansas off the SEC.

As a UTEP student I'd love to see us added, but the program just isn't there yet and with Mike Price at the helm it just might not ever get there.

HoustonFrog
06-15-2010, 10:42 AM
Agree on the band aid part, but I think it will be a matter of time before what's left of the Big 12 goes for two more teams. I think those 2 are going to be TCU and UH. I just don't see a lot more options (well strong options) outside of those two except maybe trying to poach Arkansas off the SEC.

As a UTEP student I'd love to see us added, but the program just isn't there yet and with Mike Price at the helm it just might not ever get there.

I hope. Right now if Utah joins the Pac-10, it weakens the MWC...though adding Boise was great. I'm not sure if they will continue to try and add or just sit and wait. If the new Big 12 adds I see it being a year or more down the road....not anytime soon.

I think Price can do the job...but when he does he could leave in a heartbeat/

JB
06-15-2010, 10:48 AM
They loved it when they played in the patty cake Big8 and went to the Rose Bowl every year.


When did the Big 8 play in the Rose Bowl? It's been Pac 10 vs Big 10 since forever...

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 10:48 AM
I hope. Right now if Utah joins the Pac-10, it weakens the MWC...though adding Boise was great. I'm not sure if they will continue to try and add or just sit and wait. If the new Big 12 adds I see it being a year or more down the road....not anytime soon.

I think Price can do the job...but when he does he could leave in a heartbeat/

UH is making itself interesting with the stadium and arena upgrades. Not to mention Briles has them moving in the right direction in the W/L column.

Patterson really has TCU going strong. I know he just got national coach of the year, but they guy doesn't get enough credit for keeping things rolling at TCU after Franchione left. Speaking of which.... has he faded in oblivion?

Price has one more season to get the team back into the winning column. There were quite a number of people calling for his head after this last season. I'm really hoping Tim Floyd can keep the basketball team rolling. It sounds weird to to say that too.

JB
06-15-2010, 10:52 AM
UH is making itself interesting with the stadium and arena upgrades. Not to mention Briles has them moving in the right direction in the W/L column.

Patterson really has TCU going strong. I know he just got national coach of the year, but they guy doesn't get enough credit for keeping things rolling at TCU after Franchione left. Speaking of which.... has he faded in oblivion?

Price has one more season to get the team back into the winning column. There were quite a number of people calling for his head after this last season. I'm really hoping Tim Floyd can keep the basketball team rolling. It sounds weird to to say that too.

:confused:

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 10:59 AM
:confused:

Crap, not Briles. Sumlin. Why the hell did I put that?

:choke:

IDEXAN
06-15-2010, 11:05 AM
The weren't chased off. They left of their own free will. Nebraska left to pursue the money of the Big X network. Colorado probably left because it got an invite and the way things were looking they probably didn't want to get left out. Maybe they felt they were a better fit for the PAC-10. Really I just don't care.

Perhaps I just don't get the allure of 4 mega conferences? Do people really think that would've forced a playoff? Or are they pissed because they didn't see any REAL fireworks?

How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.

If they keep it at 10, which looks like the initial plan, it becomes the PAC-10 in the sense it plays a 9 game round robin schedule.
See here's what puzzles me, what is 15 or 20 million bucks to UT or A&M ?
Seriously, that's not even the sighning bonus of top picks in the NFL, and as we know NFL guys don't make the kind of money that NBA or MLB jocks do ?
What on earth is the annual budget of a UT, it must be measured in hundreds of millions, though I confess I don't know ?
If TV revenues were 150 - 200 million for these deals, OK, but 15 to 20 million has got to be chump change for big schools like UT, USC, Penn State,
ND, etc ?

Dutchrudder
06-15-2010, 11:11 AM
Pulled this from an ESPN article. Here are the TV contracts by conference as it stands today, before the Big 12 ups the money with their new contract.

Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma would reportedly each receive at least
$20 million annually from a new Big 12 TV contract, comparable with what the top conference deals pay now.


Conference Amount of contract

Big Ten - $242 million
SEC - $205 million
Big 12 - $78 million
ACC - $67 million
Pacific-10 - $58 million
Big East - $33 million

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 11:12 AM
See here's what puzzles me, what is 15 or 20 million bucks to UT or A&M ?
Seriously, that's not even the sighning bonus of top picks in the NFL, and as we know NFL guys don't make the kind of money that NBA or MLB jocks do ?
What on earth is the annual budget of a UT, it must be measured in hundreds of millions, though I confess I don't know ?
If TV revenues were 150 - 200 million for these deals, OK, but 15 to 20 million has got to be chump change for big schools like UT, USC, Penn State,
ND, etc ?

Well included in each SCHOOL remember, they are more than just the next level of football after high school, have other things to pay like professors, maintenance on grounds and buildings, other workers....etc.

This money goes directly into their sports programs, which do make quite a bit of money, but don't represent all the school's annual revenue.

HoustonFrog
06-15-2010, 11:39 AM
UH is making itself interesting with the stadium and arena upgrades. Not to mention Briles has them moving in the right direction in the W/L column.

Patterson really has TCU going strong. I know he just got national coach of the year, but they guy doesn't get enough credit for keeping things rolling at TCU after Franchione left. Speaking of which.... has he faded in oblivion?

Price has one more season to get the team back into the winning column. There were quite a number of people calling for his head after this last season. I'm really hoping Tim Floyd can keep the basketball team rolling. It sounds weird to to say that too.

I love the guy because he loves Ft. Worth and has been true to the school and his contracts so far. I think the Franchione thing is pretty funny. When he first turned TCU around his teams were known for running the ball well...LT...and defense. So his D Coordinator stays at TCU, Patterson, and he moves on to "better" things. Yet he couldn't repeat the success. To me that shows how much Patterson meant to that staff and teams. They go to bat for Patterson.

Second Honeymoon
06-15-2010, 12:29 PM
When did the Big 8 play in the Rose Bowl? It's been Pac 10 vs Big 10 since forever...

eerrr Orange Bowl...my bad.

pbat488
06-15-2010, 03:25 PM
How come UT is getting the biggest blame? Financially yeah it was in their best interest but, no one is mentioning how a lot of other schools what's left of the Big 12 had just as much incentive to keep the conference together like Kansas, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, and possibly Mizzou were going put in a position of irrelevance in a much smaller conference.


Because of reports like these..

A source close to the Pac-10's expansion negotiations told The Denver Post that Texas insisted on better revenue sharing and its own network, which essentially killed the deal.

"In the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting," the source said. "They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."

From http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15295447

It's easy to see that UT manipulated multiple entities to try and get the most money they possibly could from TV rights. They started this Texas Hold 'em expansion talk and when it didn't go as they planned, namely A&M keeping options open by talking to the SEC instead of getting in line to go to the Pac 16, they had to fall back and exert political and media pressure on other schools to accept a proposed higher money Big 12-2 deal that isn't guaranteed, does not have equal revenue sharing, and somehow goes up $~120 million by losing two conference members. I know that this deal benefits A&M financially over Tech or Baylor, but that doesn't mean I'm behind it. This conference will not last. UT administration is not some gleaming 11th hour white knight; it's been dealing behind closed doors and behind peoples backs the for months now trying to get it's best deal regardless of others.

Because Rivals.com seems to have funneled its coverage through the reporter with the chattiest source, you’ve primarily heard UT’s side of the story. And what a side of beef it is! Somehow, while Texas flirted with three different conferences - the Pac-10, the Big Ten and SEC - while stringing along its Big 12, and it remained a steadfast savior, the Boss Horn.

Garbage. Until Monday, the Longhorns appeared willing to drag a coalition of the half-willing to the Pac-10. It would have been, over time, a disaster. To repeat: Texas was courting its own demise trucking itself to a league that has been, and will continue to be, irrelevant to the East Coast unless USC’s on the tube.

The “savior” will now get to own and control its Longhorn Sports Network while Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri lick cowboy boots. They’ll be thankful, of course - what choice do they have? - but they’ll be hired hands on UT‘s ranch. No - check that - they're apprentices! They have to pay the penalty money accrued from Nebraska and Colorado to Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M just to stay!

http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2010/06/14/4c16f930c2b32

Dan B.
06-15-2010, 03:46 PM
Because of reports like these..



From http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15295447

It's easy to see that UT manipulated multiple entities to try and get the most money they possibly could from TV rights.
so did A&M
They started this Texas Hold 'em expansion talk and when it didn't go as they planned, namely A&M keeping options open by talking to the SEC instead of getting in line to go to the Pac 16, they had to fall back and exert political and media pressure on other schools to accept a proposed higher money Big 12-2 deal that isn't guaranteed, does not have equal revenue sharing, and somehow goes up $~120 million by losing two conference members.
The Pac 10 had no guaranteed deal either. Like the Big 12-2, they were using hypothetical numbers that media consultants estimated the conference would generate. The Pac 16 has 6 more member schools to distribute among than the new Big 12, and an equal revenue split would benefit OSU and WSU far more than UT or A&M. For a major school a smaller conference with unequal distribution is as good or better than a huge conference with equal revenue sharing. That's probably a big reason why A&M supports this plan.

I know that this deal benefits A&M financially over Tech or Baylor, but that doesn't mean I'm behind it. This conference will not last. UT administration is not some gleaming 11th hour white knight; it's been dealing behind closed doors and behind peoples backs the for months now trying to get it's best deal regardless of others.

UT did not start this. Nebraska has been flirting with the Big 10 for decades. Ditto Nebraska wrt the Big 10. It is amazing how NU can leave the Big 12 because they were lapped by not just UT, but also several other schools, to go to a conference where they have no ties to any other school. And they still blame UT for it. UT didn't go anywhere. They never threatened to bolt on their own (as A&M did), much less actually do so (like CU or NU).



http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2010/06/14/4c16f930c2b32

What a hilariously biased article. Nebraska should change their color to green -- with envy. What, they think OSU and Michigan are just going to roll over and play dead in conference votes?

Nebraska is a probationary member of the Big 10. They only get half of the revenue that every other Big 10+2 school gets, and they have to pay IIRC 5 million a year to the Big 12-2 for ditching them (cause Texas made them do it, of course). They definitely win out as far as their schedule goes, but they are going to have a tough time competing in the Big 10+2. We are talking about a school whose "resurgence" consists of two 4 loss seasons in arguably the crappiest division in a BCS conference. Although I do think the Big 10's power is concentrated in the East and the bottom feeders of the Big 10 are primarily in the West, so a divisional setup might benefit them the same way that the Big 12 North did.

IDEXAN
06-15-2010, 03:47 PM
Before all of this started, the Big 12 was arguably the second best football conference in the country (after SEC of course), but now by losing Nebraska
and BSU moving to the Mountain converence, the Big 12 is probably about the 5th best football conference (at best ?).
So then, UT is still the Big 12s Big Fish, but it's pond keeps shrinking, and it's conference is now more unstable than ever.

Texecutioner
06-15-2010, 03:55 PM
to anyone hating on Texas because they didn't go to the Pac10 or SEC, you would probably be hating on Texas if they left and screwed their other conference members. It's just hate and probably jealousy/envy.

Texas made the right move for itself and helped some of its conference brethren get a payraise in the process. As for the SEC and the question of academics, Texas gains nothing going to the SEC and it was never even considered a serious option.

The SEC does things their way and it works for them. Texas does things their way and SEC is not up to par with Big12 in academics. Much more of a student athlete atmosphere in Big12.

as for Texas' schedule, I think its pretty obvious they have to increase their out of conference schedule's difficulty. No doubt. It's not like their schedule is any easier, but the perception is that it is and when you couple that with no conference championship game, Texas would do well to add a decent team to its schedule. An annual TCU matchup makes sense especially now that TCU is trying to show that its a player in the BCS picture. If not TCU, then Notre Dame makes some sense as well.

As for Nebraska, they just got their panties in a wad over being exposed. UT exposed them as the fraud that they were, are, and always have been. They loved it when they played in the patty cake Big8 and went to the Rose Bowl every year. Now that they actually have other teams that can play football outside of OU, they got exposed.

And everyone hates on Mackovic, but he was a good recruiter (recruited Ricky) and he wasn't that bad. He won the first BigXII conference championship game and Nebraska got their feewings hurt.

Colorado is the big loser in all of this though. All the money they made with the move is now going to be spent on departure penalties and they could have gotten the same money by staying put.

PWNED BUFFS

Texas just had a sweet opportunity to change this pathetic course that college football has been on for years and years where they could have been the leader in making a much better competition for the fans to potentially bringing a playoff and they completely blew it out of greed and to remain the big fish in the small pond. I've been a die hard Texas fan since I was born, but Texas pulled one huge puss move here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college football is a business, but hell Texas already has more money than anyone. Now all Texas did was help to make the BIG 12 even worse and more boring than it already is. They're not out there trying to expand either. They just want to keep things remaining as they are with no playoffs where they have an easy road to a NC, and that's disappointing coming from a fan that wants to see the best teams match up from year to year. We don't get that since there is no playoff, so I'd rather see my team face tough competition year in and year out other even if that means losing a game or two instead of some phony National Championship where their schedule had like 3 competitive games on there. Texas disappointed me big time with this and they also pissed off Millions of other college football fans create the revenue of this sport.

Blake
06-15-2010, 03:58 PM
I am shocked that the big 12 is going to stay at 10.

Carr Bombed
06-15-2010, 04:12 PM
Shocked, pissed, angry; however you want to put it, that's how I'm feeling. We just pissed away a golden opportunity to land in the most stable conference in the country to stay in a conference that will probably be gone in 5 years.

Utter shock at how short-sighted and yellow-bellied A&Ms Board of Regents and President are.

Can't wait for Kyle to have thousands of empty seats playing Iowa State and K State instead of playing to packed houses for every SEC home game.


A&M would of been absolute bottom feeders in the SEC for years.....they're doing the best they can just to not be bottom feeders in the "Big 10"

Carr Bombed
06-15-2010, 04:15 PM
Texas just had a sweet opportunity to change this pathetic course that college football has been on for years and years where they could have been the leader in making a much better competition for the fans to potentially bringing a playoff and they completely blew it out of greed and to remain the big fish in the small pond. I've been a die hard Texas fan since I was born, but Texas pulled one huge puss move here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college football is a business, but hell Texas already has more money than anyone. Now all Texas did was help to make the BIG 12 even worse and more boring than it already is. They're not out there trying to expand either. They just want to keep things remaining as they are with no playoffs where they have an easy road to a NC, and that's disappointing coming from a fan that wants to see the best teams match up from year to year. We don't get that since there is no playoff, so I'd rather see my team face tough competition year in and year out other even if that means losing a game or two instead of some phony National Championship where their schedule had like 3 competitive games on there. Texas disappointed me big time with this and they also pissed off Millions of other college football fans create the revenue of this sport.

75% of people polled on sportsnation just said they agreed with Texas' decision to stay in the big 12.

ArlingtonTexan
06-15-2010, 04:17 PM
I am shocked that the big 12 is going to stay at 10.

and they are still going to call themselves the Big 12 :headhurts:

Texecutioner
06-15-2010, 04:31 PM
75% of people polled on sportsnation just said they agreed with Texas' decision to stay in the big 12.

Probably a bunch of bratty Texas fans that just want to play a cake schedule every year so they can brag to other fans and stick their chests out. I love Texas and always will, but they just made an epic fail here as far as the scope of college football is concerned. I'm a football fan first and foremost and care about watching the best competition possible before I care about seeing my team just pick apart inferior teams with terrible talent. As a Texas fan I'm tired of watching the majority of their games as blowouts or as match ups that I can't even get excited for.

This could have been the biggest potential step towards a playoff down the road and they blew it. Now we get more of the same arguing every year and bitching from fans all over the country about who had a better schedule and when Texas dominates this market down here as usual NO ONE around the rest of the country is going to give them as much respect anymore.

If there was a playoff, I wouldn't be bothered by this. But since there isn't, all I care about is seeing the best match ups take place and the best teams play each other win or lose. That's what sports and competition are for.

pbat488
06-15-2010, 04:31 PM
The Pac 10 had no guaranteed deal either. Like the Big 12-2, they were using hypothetical numbers that media consultants estimated the conference would generate.

That doesn't explain how losing two schools (including a fairly large, albeit not total, media market of Denver, and one of the most nationally recognized and fanatically followed schools in Nebraska) will increase the TV rights revenue from ~$80 million to around ~$200.


UT did not start this. Nebraska has been flirting with the Big 10 for decades. Ditto Nebraska wrt the Big 10. It is amazing how NU can leave the Big 12 because they were lapped by not just UT, but also several other schools, to go to a conference where they have no ties to any other school. And they still blame UT for it. They never threatened to bolt on their own (as A&M did), much less actually do so (like CU or NU).

A&M didn't threaten anyone. Where in all the press releases or statements has it said that A&M talking to the SEC was used as a threat against UT and the Big 12? UT did all the threatening by effectively getting Tech, OU, and OSU to go along with itself in blackballing A&M in athletics if A&M went to the SEC and others went to the Pac 16. All A&M had done was it had not yet committed to a Pac 16 conference it wasn't sure it wanted to be in.

A&M would of been absolute bottom feeders in the SEC for years.....they're doing the best they can just to not be bottom feeders in the "Big 10"

Yeah, most likely, in football at least. In basketball we'd be one of the top 4 teams, and baseball isn't far behind. Track and field I think it's safe to say we'd be number 1. Academically we'd be in the top 3 or 4. But most importantly, culturally we'd fit right in. That is something that A&M bashers seem to not understand. We'd rather be a big fish in a giant sea than a pilot fish following around the most arrogant shark in the pond.

Carr Bombed
06-15-2010, 04:37 PM
Probably a bunch of bratty Texas fans that just want to play a cake schedule every year so they can brag to other fans and stick their chests out. I love Texas and always will, but they just made an epic fail here as far as the scope of college football is concerned. I'm a football fan first and foremost and care about watching the best competition possible before I care about seeing my team just pick apart inferior teams with terrible talent. As a Texas fan I'm tired of watching the majority of their games as blowouts or as match ups that I can't even get excited for.

This could have been the biggest potential step towards a playoff down the road and they blew it. Now we get more of the same arguing every year and bitching from fans all over the country about who had a better schedule and when Texas dominates this market down here as usual NO ONE around the rest of the country is going to give them as much respect anymore.

If there was a playoff, I wouldn't be bothered by this. But since there isn't, all I care about is seeing the best match ups take place and the best teams play each other win or lose. That's what sports and competition are for.

How did the schedule get so much easier just by losing Nebraska (even if they were coming back, they've been down for about a decade) and Colorado? All Texas has to do is schedule tougher opponents....and they'll have to in the long run, because if the new big 12 sucks. Voters aren't going to let them skate towards a top ranking just on wins alone....especially with no Championship game.


They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.

Carr Bombed
06-15-2010, 04:39 PM
Yeah, most likely, in football at least. In basketball we'd be one of the top 4 teams, and baseball isn't far behind. Track and field I think it's safe to say we'd be number 1. Academically we'd be in the top 3 or 4. But most importantly, culturally we'd fit right in. That is something that A&M bashers seem to not understand. We'd rather be a big fish in a giant sea than a pilot fish following around the most arrogant shark in the pond.

Football is king......unless you're Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, or Duke....it's the deciding factor on everything.

A&M would've got absolutely owned in the SEC.

ArlingtonTexan
06-15-2010, 04:41 PM
How did the schedule get so much easier just by losing Nebraska (even if they were coming back, they've been down for about a decade) and Colorado? All Texas has to do is schedule tougher opponents....and they'll have to in the long run, because if the new big 12 sucks. Voters aren't going to let them skate towards a top ranking just on wins alone....especially with no Championship game.


They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.

As former Austin resident with no other UT-Austin connection, hippiedom seems to fit that city pretty well (and for me that is not a bad thing)

Carr Bombed
06-15-2010, 04:44 PM
As former Austin resident with no other UT-Austin connection, hippiedom seems to fit that city pretty well (and for me that is not a bad thing)

Austin is laid back, but it's still Texas.

I don't really have a problem with hippies, but I do have a problem with people who smell their own farts (South Park style)

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pbat488
06-15-2010, 04:46 PM
Football is king......unless you're Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, or Duke....it's the deciding factor on everything.

A&M would've got absolutely owned in the SEC.

Yeah, at first. I concede that. But given time to acclimate to how the SEC plays, and time to bring in new life and clear out the dead weight of the Coach Fran era with Coach Sherm, I would and still see a bright future for Texas A&M football in the SEC and the new Big 12, respectively.

"From the outside looking in, you can't understand it. From the inside looking out, you can't explain it."

Blake
06-15-2010, 04:48 PM
lol the Texas hatred is running rampant in this thread.

Yall are all right. Texas is the devil, and the other colleges are so pure and innocent.

Dutchrudder
06-15-2010, 04:51 PM
Texas just had a sweet opportunity to change this pathetic course that college football has been on for years and years where they could have been the leader in making a much better competition for the fans to potentially bringing a playoff and they completely blew it out of greed and to remain the big fish in the small pond. I've been a die hard Texas fan since I was born, but Texas pulled one huge puss move here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, college football is a business, but hell Texas already has more money than anyone. Now all Texas did was help to make the BIG 12 even worse and more boring than it already is. They're not out there trying to expand either. They just want to keep things remaining as they are with no playoffs where they have an easy road to a NC, and that's disappointing coming from a fan that wants to see the best teams match up from year to year. We don't get that since there is no playoff, so I'd rather see my team face tough competition year in and year out other even if that means losing a game or two instead of some phony National Championship where their schedule had like 3 competitive games on there. Texas disappointed me big time with this and they also pissed off Millions of other college football fans create the revenue of this sport.

I agree with the possibilities of the future of NCAA football by moving to the Pac10, but I don't think Texas is to blame for staying. I think that had A&M buddied up with the rest of the Big 12 south in the Pac10 move or jumped into the SEC, Texas would have certainly gone through with it. I think A&M is the one to blame or thank for not creating the shake up.

Texecutioner
06-15-2010, 04:51 PM
How did the schedule get so much easier just by losing Nebraska (even if they were coming back, they've been down for about a decade) and Colorado? All Texas has to do is schedule tougher opponents....and they'll have to in the long run, because if the new big 12 sucks. Voters aren't going to let them skate towards a top ranking just on wins alone....especially with no Championship game.

Texas almost lost to Nebraska last season. Barely slid out of that game by a second. If Texas wanted to stay in the BIG 12, then fine, TRY TO EXPAND then and make that a super conference. At least do something to get the fans of the sport excited instead of just trying to pave the easiest road to a NC every year by scheduling these cake teams every year, and hell I'm a Texas fan and I want this, so that right there speaks to pretty high volumes. I'd rather see my favorite players compete against the best there is in college football. Playing Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas every year or every other year isn't doing that. I really only get excited for like 3 or 4 Texas games a year now and quite frankly THAT SUCKS!

As far as Texas scheduling a bunch of tough opponents, I won't hold my breath on that for one bit. They want the easy road to the NC.


They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.

I don't even see why Baylor had to be involved with this. And who cares if the Pac 10 didn't want them because of the whole "christian University" thing. It seems to me that Baylor was and is a liability as far as expansion and as far as being a valid match up every year then. Baylor brings nothing to the table and they also made it to where we couldn't bring TCU into the BIG 12 because of their silly politics between each other.

This is just about Texas wanting to stay as the big fish in the small pond and to control everything basically and the money more than anything. Sorry, but as a fan I don't benefit from the extra profits these old men are pocketing every year. I'm just a football fan that wants to see the best teams paly each other and since there is no playoff the best I can hope for is schedules that provide that. Texas just stopped that from happening not only for them but for tons of other schools all throughout college football because their decision and influence here just put a halt to everything. It's embarrassing actually.

Carr Bombed
06-15-2010, 04:53 PM
lol the Texas hatred is running rampant in this thread.

Yall are all right. Texas is the devil, and the other colleges are so pure and innocent.

It's not like the other colleges were forced to stay... Oklahoma has just as much pull and if just a couple of colleges moved (like A&M) they would've easily forced Texas' hand.

But since Texas is consistently the best team in the conference.....they catch all the heat. :rolleyes:

Dutchrudder
06-15-2010, 04:54 PM
Yeah, at first. I concede that. But given time to acclimate to how the SEC plays, and time to bring in new life and clear out the dead weight of the Coach Fran era with Coach Sherm, I would and still see a bright future for Texas A&M football in the SEC and the new Big 12, respectively.

"From the outside looking in, you can't understand it. From the inside looking out, you can't explain it."

Dude, I love the Aggies and all, but I can't imagine A&M recruiting against LSU, Florida and Alabama. There is just no chance that they would compete for recruits until Urban Meyer and Nick Saban quit coaching. Either way, they still have to compete with Mack Brown. I just don't see them getting much better in the near future by jumping to the SEC. Now this year they might be able to do something in the Big 12, but I think the best they will do is #3 in the South.

MojoMan
06-15-2010, 05:00 PM
I wonder if Nebraska is having any second thoughts after seeing the revised TV deal that the teams in the Big 12 leveraged out of this arrangement.

Dutchrudder
06-15-2010, 05:05 PM
I wonder if Nebraska is having any second thoughts after seeing the revised TV deal that the teams in the Big 12 leveraged out of this arrangement.

I don't think Nebraska will be much better or worse off between the two, but Colorado surely will lose a buttload of money because of this.

Yankee_In_TX
06-15-2010, 05:10 PM
I am shocked that the big 12 is going to stay at 10.

And I am going to punch every fan in the face who has been whining what an atrosity it is that the Big 10 and Pac 10 don't have conference championships. :kitten:

Yankee_In_TX
06-15-2010, 05:11 PM
I wonder if Nebraska is having any second thoughts after seeing the revised TV deal that the teams in the Big 12 leveraged out of this arrangement.

No, Osborne hated the Big 12.

Blake
06-15-2010, 05:12 PM
And I am going to punch every fan in the face who has been whining what an atrosity it is that the Big 10 and Pac 10 don't have conference championships. :kitten:

lol aight man dont punch me in the face. So what do you dislike about the conference champ games if you dont mind me asking?

Blake
06-15-2010, 05:13 PM
No, Osborne hated the Big 12.

+1. They have been waiting for an opportunity to jump ship for a long time.

Ole Miss Texan
06-15-2010, 05:15 PM
Dude, I love the Aggies and all, but I can't imagine A&M recruiting against LSU, Florida and Alabama. There is just no chance that they would compete for recruits until Urban Meyer and Nick Saban quit coaching. Either way, they still have to compete with Mack Brown. I just don't see them getting much better in the near future by jumping to the SEC. Now this year they might be able to do something in the Big 12, but I think the best they will do is #3 in the South.

They'd still be recruiting all the Texas guys and I think would probably end up being more successful than they are now. They'd be recruiting the same guys that are thinking of going to LSU, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, etc... except these TEXAS high school kids would be thinking "SEC or PAC 10"??

I agree at first A&M would struggle in the SEC, especially if they had Texas as a non-conference game every year. That would basically be a schedule of Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, LSU, Arkansas, Texas + Florida/Georgia/Tennessee and non-conference games. That's brutal.

In the end though, I think A&M would have been a GREAT fit and I wish they would have said "f*ck off, we're going SEC country". As pbat says, part of it is the culture and I think they'd fit great in the conference. Playing against ARK, LSU, Ole Miss, BAMA, Auburn, etc. would be some really really REALLY good football.

Plus, not only would the games be really good, the SEC would be able to branch out into the Texas market more than it is now. Recruiting-wise, I think from a longterm standpoint it would work out in A&M's favor. Plus all the other sports, they'd be able to compete immediately for championships.

I think Texas and A&M both held their hands well through all of this though. Texas seemed to be the frontrunner throwing chips around and trying to strongarm everyone with the mindset they just wanted to buy the pot - larger tv contract. A&M on the otherhand, I think played it as best as anyone. They never really gave their hand away and if the Big 12 stayed, they'd be getting a big boost in annual revenue $'s. If the other schools left for the PAc 10, they could go to the SEC and it'd be a success.

I just wish A&M would have gone, personally..

gwallaia
06-15-2010, 05:19 PM
The UT game against Nebraska in Lincoln should be especially interesting this year.

ArlingtonTexan
06-15-2010, 05:29 PM
The UT game against Nebraska in Lincoln should be especially interesting this year.

Nebraska fans have a reputation of being Cornhusker supportive, but enemy friendly...that theory will get tested for sure.

Yankee_In_TX
06-15-2010, 05:42 PM
lol aight man dont punch me in the face. So what do you dislike about the conference champ games if you dont mind me asking?

I posted this earlier but I think it got lost in the shuffle.

Conference championship games are good for one thing - $$$$.

Those who whined it hurt their national championship chances, well, disband the game then.

And, IMHO I think conference champsionship games create facts to argue against an NCAA playoff - so many games, such a long season, student athletes, etc.

Big 10 is super anti playoff - and I sadly think they're going to institute a conference game - thus the powers that be will have tight control over even more money and a few more excuses why we should stay in the current format.

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 06:43 PM
It's not like the other colleges were forced to stay... Oklahoma has just as much pull and if just a couple of colleges moved (like A&M) they would've easily forced Texas' hand.

But since Texas is consistently the best team in the conference.....they catch all the heat. :rolleyes:

Agreed. I just totally disagree with the perception that UT alone strong armed every other team in the Big 12 to keep in. OU and OK State were free to leave and neither at least publicly stated a preference. Pretty sure the only reason Tech would've been invited to the PAC-10 would be part of a deal with A&M and UT.

I know Mizzou publicly stated it was in their best interests to keep the Big 12 together. You've got to believe as well schools like Iowa State, K-State, Kansas, and Baylor wanted to keep the conference together or else they would've been shipped off to a much lesser conference.

There is also NO GUARANTEE that creating 4 mega conferences would've forced the NCAA and whomever's hand in creating a playoff system. That's still wild and unfounded speculation.

I want to start a campaign to drop the Big 12 name and make it the Southwest Conference.

pbat488
06-15-2010, 06:53 PM
Southern Midwest Conference ftw.

TexanSam
06-15-2010, 07:54 PM
Agree on the band aid part, but I think it will be a matter of time before what's left of the Big 12 goes for two more teams. I think those 2 are going to be TCU and UH. I just don't see a lot more options (well strong options) outside of those two except maybe trying to poach Arkansas off the SEC.

As a UTEP student I'd love to see us added, but the program just isn't there yet and with Mike Price at the helm it just might not ever get there.

Price is a good coach but El Paso is a tough, tough place to recruit players to. No coach has ever had lasting success in football at UTEP. I think Tim Floyd will do an excellent job as head coach for basketball but I don't know if that would be enough to entice the Big 12 to offer an invite if they decide to go back to 12 teams.

Kulluminatii
06-15-2010, 08:10 PM
They didn't want to join the Pac 10, because they wanted their own TV deal......and because they're Texas, they shouldn't have to join somebody else's conference, especially a hippie league like the Pac 10. As soon as they automatically black balled Baylor, just because Baylor is a Christian university I wouldn't absolutely NOTHING to do with the Pac 10.

Oh come on, that is obviously bull and I'm surprised you fell for it. The Pac-10 didn't want Baylor because they don't bring anything to the table, not because its a faith-based university. If UT could have unloaded Baylor along with CU & NU, your telling me they wouldn't have?

Kind of random, but Dr. Loftin's Facebook page has recently gotten many "warm" messages from A&M fans :D. http://www.facebook.com/bowen.loftin?v=wall&ref=sgm#!/bowen.loftin?v=info&ref=sgm

Goldensilence
06-15-2010, 09:18 PM
Price is a good coach but El Paso is a tough, tough place to recruit players to. No coach has ever had lasting success in football at UTEP. I think Tim Floyd will do an excellent job as head coach for basketball but I don't know if that would be enough to entice the Big 12 to offer an invite if they decide to go back to 12 teams.

Yeah it is a really tough place to recruit. So I'm not really mad at Price as much as I have hopes to one day be an alum that can point to the football team and at least say yeah they're competitive. For where they are.

I think Floyd will do a good job. I thought it would've been interesting to bring Gillipse back as well. Everyone loves a good comeback

Oh come on, that is obviously bull and I'm surprised you fell for it. The Pac-10 didn't want Baylor because they don't bring anything to the table, not because its a faith-based university. If UT could have unloaded Baylor along with CU & NU, your telling me they wouldn't have?

Kind of random, but Dr. Loftin's Facebook page has recently gotten many "warm" messages from A&M fans :D. http://www.facebook.com/bowen.loftin?v=wall&ref=sgm#!/bowen.loftin?v=info&ref=sgm

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Kaiser Toro
06-16-2010, 12:55 AM
and they are still going to call themselves the Big 12 :headhurts:

Folks have been calling the Big Ten, the Big Ten for years, although they have 11 teams.

Kulluminatii
06-16-2010, 12:56 AM
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Lol, congrats I guess. Your one of the few Longhorn fans I've met online that are happy with the way things have ended up. I believe this Big 12-2 conference will not last, all it has done is delayed the inevitable. Mega conferences are on there way, its just a matter of time.

Now the only question left is...
















which conference will be the first to fall?!?

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Kulluminatii
06-16-2010, 03:56 AM
Full article: How the Big 12 came back to life (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094753)



The Big 12 was dead. Gone. No pulse.

The funerals were planned in Lubbock and Austin on Tuesday. And again in Norman and Stillwater on Wednesday. Texas A&M would show its last respects later in the week, when it pushed off for Birmingham, Ala., to pop corks with SEC commissioner Mike Slive.

The Big 12 was so dead. The surviving family - Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor - did things you only promise to a dead person. Things you probably don't ever expect to have to pay - like promising the $35 million to $40 million in buyout penalties from Nebraska and Colorado to Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

(Everyone wants to know how those three get to $20 million guaranteed in the new Big 12-Lite? That's how.)

But let's go back and revisit how a corpse not only regains a heartbeat but goes out and wins a 400-meter race in record time four days after receiving a toe tag.


Wednesday, June 9 - Orangebloods.com reports, according to a source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents, that the Cornhuskers are going to the Big Ten and will make a formal announcement two days later on Friday.

I'm driving home from a live remote radio show and call one of my sources at UT. I'm told president William Powers and athletic director DeLoss Dodds have gathered the coaches at UT and tell them, "We've done all we can to save the Big 12 but were unsuccessful."

A plan to join the Pac-16 is basically laid out.


Thursday, June 10 - The Pac-10 announces it is adding Colorado. Orangebloods.com reports that Nebraska will announce on Friday that it is headed to the Big Ten. And OB also reports that Texas A&M is seriously considering the Southeastern Conference and may be put on the clock to respond to its Pac-10 invitation.

This is the first time it's becoming apparent that Texas A&M might not play ball with the other Big 12 teams being invited to the Pac-10. But, according to top sources, Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne is basically assuring Texas that the Aggies will join Texas in the Pac-10. So Texas feels like the Aggies will come around.


Friday, June 11 - Nebraska bolts the Big 12 for the Big Ten and throws Missouri and Texas under the bus in the process. Colorado holds a press conference with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott saying the Buffaloes are headed west.

Sources would later say Colorado panicked at this point because the Buffaloes thought they needed to act more quickly than the others because Baylor might be moving in on their invitation to the Pac-10. (Now, Colorado owes $15 million in buyout penalties to the Big 12 that it can't afford.)

Texas schedules a regents meeting for Tuesday at 11 a.m. This meeting is to announce that the Longhorns are going to the Pac-10. Texas Tech officials post a regents meeting for Tuesday as well. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State post regents meetings for Wednesday. All with the expectation of announcing they are heading west to the Pac-10.

Orangebloods.com reports that all four schools (Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and OU) have confirmed they are heading to the Pac-10 with announcements due after the weekend.


Saturday, June 12 - The focus shifts to College Station. Mike Slive the Southeastern Conference commissioner is in College Station to visit with A&M officials. But A&M athletic director Bill Byrne is nowhere to be found. He's at a family reunion in Idaho.

Suddenly Texas' best source for information from A&M is in doubt. How connected is he to the situation?

According to two of the best sources for Orangebloods.com throughout the Big 12 Missile Crisis, Texas A&M has a vote of at least 6-3 to go to the SEC, and we report that.

Other sources around the Big 12 are starting to say Texas A&M is waiting for Texas to hang itself at the press conference on Tuesday before the Aggies announce their departure for the SEC.

Athletic director DeLoss Dodds and UT women's athletic director Chris Plonsky smell the rat: Texas is going to get blamed for breaking up the Big 12 AND for ripping up the 100-year rivalry with Texas A&M. The Aggies aren't going to the Pac-10. The Aggies aren't budging.

A shot of the president's box at the Texas-TCU NCAA Super Regional baseball game on Saturday tells it all. There was Powers, a Cal graduate who had convinced the Texas Board of Regents the Pac-10 was the right move for academic and athletic reasons, had Plonsky over his left shoulder, leaning into his ear. Dodds was casual and calm with Mack Brown to Dodds' left.

I would joke with Brown on Tuesday that there had to be more going on in that picture than watching baseball. Mack Brown smiled and said, "Nope, just cheering on Texas to beat TCU."

Meanwhile, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State's presidents and athletic directors meet with Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott in Oklahoma City.


Sunday, June 13 - Texas is starting to get the sense A&M is not turning back from the SEC. That any information it got from Byrne is useless at this point, according to sources. Gene Stallings, A&M System chancellor Mike McKinney and other A&M regents led by Morris Foster, a former ExxonMobil executive, are leading the Aggies toward the SEC.

The notion of separating from Texas is starting to feel invigorating to the Aggie power brokers. Foster likes the idea of A&M being the top research insitution in the SEC. Stallings wants A&M football to connect with history shared by Alabama (Bear Bryant coaching at A&M before winning six national titles at Bama).

And McKinney is ready to collect the paychecks of at least $17.4 million to help get the Ags out of the $16 million hole the athletic department is in.

With the Big 12's obituary seemingly imminent, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe secures assurances from ABC/ESPN that it will honor its current contract with the Big 12 through 2016 even if the league is 10 members and without a conference championship game. Meaning, all of Colorado's and Nebraska's share of the TV revenue as well as the money from the championship game would now be divided between the 10 schools.

The five schools who appeared to be the pall bearers for the Big 12 - Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor - make a commitment to hand over their share of the $35 million to $40 million in penalties to be paid by Nebraska and Colorado to Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M.

Now, those three schools are guaranteed to start making $20 million immediately. No waiting. No fuss no muss - $20 million.

-snip-


Wow...they could totally turn this into a movie if they wanted to :kitten:.

Dutchrudder
06-16-2010, 10:35 AM
Yeah it is a really tough place to recruit. So I'm not really mad at Price as much as I have hopes to one day be an alum that can point to the football team and at least say yeah they're competitive. For where they are.

I think Floyd will do a good job. I thought it would've been interesting to bring Gillipse back as well. Everyone loves a good comeback



I really don't see how you read his post and get the idea that he is whining or crying.

Yankee_In_TX
06-16-2010, 10:59 AM
Bebe explain where the $ is coming from yet?

Ole Miss Texan
06-16-2010, 12:05 PM
Bebe explain where the $ is coming from yet?

It sounds like it's primarily from 2 sources: (1) ABC/ESPN will honor the contract through 2016. They'll be paying the full amount of the contract, only it will be disbursed to 10 teams instead of 12 (each team gets a bigger cut)... and (2) in order to keep the Big 12 together, the "desperate teams" (Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor) supposedly made a commitment give up their share of the Nebraska/Colorado penalties and that monies will go only to Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M for staying.

Goldensilence
06-16-2010, 12:17 PM
I really don't see how you read his post and get the idea that he is whining or crying.

Did you visit the facebook page?

I wasn't referring to his post.

Far as being happy about the Big 12 staying...eh... I wouldn't say happy more as I just don't see the allure of 4 mega conferences running college football. I mean it's already lopsided at 6.

Admittedly, maybe I'm just missing the dots, but I keep hearing/seeing some people talking about how it would create a playoff system.

Kulluminatii
06-16-2010, 12:42 PM
Did you visit the facebook page?

I wasn't referring to his post.

Far as being happy about the Big 12 staying...eh... I wouldn't say happy more as I just don't see the allure of 4 mega conferences running college football. I mean it's already lopsided at 6.

Admittedly, maybe I'm just missing the dots, but I keep hearing/seeing some people talking about how it would create a playoff system.

Yeah, that Facebook page is a mess, a lot of people want "answers"...or else! :bat:

Hell one Aggie fan sent this message to Bill Bryne, and if I'm not mistaken, he's the AD of A&M.

Hey *********s

I am a third generation aggie and class of '06. my family and I, including many extend family members have had season tickets at kyle field for up to 20 yrs.

We also tailgate spending a lot of time and money during the fall in college station. That all ended today

We are canceling our season tickets and will never again donate to the 12th man until there is all new board of regents minus Gene Stallings, a new ad, new president (that guy is a disgrace).

Dollar bill, I hope you have time to pull your tongue out of dodds butt to read this email

Sincere regards

Now the funny part is...he got a response. And it has already been put up online for your listening pleasure: http://www.suspectclothing.com/gigem/billbyrne.m4a

Anyway, the main reason I wanted the mega conference to happen was because I wanted Cal to be a part of it. It would have changed the entire landscape of CFB. Plus being able to play the likes of UT, A&M, OU, and TT would have been nice. Also, easier access to Texas recruits wouldn't have been that bad of a deal either :D.

Second Honeymoon
06-16-2010, 01:41 PM
I can't believe the A&M faithful is mad that they didn't go to the SEC. You are already irrelevant in the Big12, how stupid do you have to be to think you could become relevant in the SEC? yeah, you wouldn't get your ass worked every year by Texas, OU, Tech, and soon Baylor but instead you would get your ass worked every year by every member of the SEC this side of Vandy.

Delusion is delusion, but this delusional spell is off the charts. Be happy that Texas saved you from going to the Pac10, which admittedly wasn't a good fit for 50's era uber-conservative A&M, and be happy that they got you enough money to cover your debts.

I don't hate A&M and I think its a great school but to act like your football team would have done anything in the SEC is just myopia to the Nth degree. Ask Arkansas how well going to the SEC is working for them, and their program is light years ahead of yours.

The best bet for A&M to have success is the following:
1. Stop whining about being in the Big12.
2. Keep recruiting well.
3. Get a new coach. (would love for you to get Kubiak, his act might work in college)
4. Concentrate on beating Tech and Baylor first, then worry about OU and UT.
5. Stop acting like you are a football power. You used to be arguably #1 in the state of Texas but that day has long since passed. Be happy with what Texas and OU got you and be happy that you weren't treated like red headed stepchildren like Tech, Baylor, and the rest of the Big12 were.

You got the facilities, you got the money, you got the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas, you just have to reassess yourselves honestly and maybe modernize the programs and maybe put a spin on the some of the traditions. I think some of the traditions may put off some of the inner city youth/modern student athletes too.

I just am sick of the Aggies complaining like Texas somehow screwed them over. Nothing could be further from the truth. Part of me wishes A&M would have gone to the SEC because it would have been hilarious to see some of these people living in the past have to eat some serious crow after getting worked over on a weekly basis by every team in the SEC. Oh and you would have lost one of the traditions (and one of the few TV slots you have managed to hold onto) and that is the UT v Texas A&M game. You lose that and your lucky to be on TV once a year...and that means. NO RECRUITS!

wake up and smell reality, A&M and fix your program before you blame everyone else for your failures.

Blake
06-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Now the funny part is...he got a response. And it has already been put up online for your listening pleasure: http://www.suspectclothing.com/gigem/billbyrne.m4a

Anyway, the main reason I wanted the mega conference to happen was because I wanted Cal to be a part of it. It would have changed the entire landscape of CFB. Plus being able to play the likes of UT, A&M, OU, and TT would have been nice. Also, easier access to Texas recruits wouldn't have been that bad of a deal either :D.

Haha I love the "thank you, buh-bye" ending.

b0ng
06-16-2010, 02:34 PM
I think I need to start all my correspondence with "hey assholes".

badboy
06-16-2010, 03:04 PM
I can't believe the A&M faithful is mad that they didn't go to the SEC. You are already irrelevant in the Big12, how stupid do you have to be to think you could become relevant in the SEC? yeah, you wouldn't get your ass worked every year by Texas, OU, Tech, and soon Baylor but instead you would get your ass worked every year by every member of the SEC this side of Vandy.

Delusion is delusion, but this delusional spell is off the charts. Be happy that Texas saved you from going to the Pac10, which admittedly wasn't a good fit for 50's era uber-conservative A&M, and be happy that they got you enough money to cover your debts.

I don't hate A&M and I think its a great school but to act like your football team would have done anything in the SEC is just myopia to the Nth degree. Ask Arkansas how well going to the SEC is working for them, and their program is light years ahead of yours.

The best bet for A&M to have success is the following:
1. Stop whining about being in the Big12.
2. Keep recruiting well.
3. Get a new coach. (would love for you to get Kubiak, his act might work in college)
4. Concentrate on beating Tech and Baylor first, then worry about OU and UT.
5. Stop acting like you are a football power. You used to be arguably #1 in the state of Texas but that day has long since passed. Be happy with what Texas and OU got you and be happy that you weren't treated like red headed stepchildren like Tech, Baylor, and the rest of the Big12 were.

You got the facilities, you got the money, you got the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas, you just have to reassess yourselves honestly and maybe modernize the programs and maybe put a spin on the some of the traditions. I think some of the traditions may put off some of the inner city youth/modern student athletes too.

I just am sick of the Aggies complaining like Texas somehow screwed them over. Nothing could be further from the truth. Part of me wishes A&M would have gone to the SEC because it would have been hilarious to see some of these people living in the past have to eat some serious crow after getting worked over on a weekly basis by every team in the SEC. Oh and you would have lost one of the traditions (and one of the few TV slots you have managed to hold onto) and that is the UT v Texas A&M game. You lose that and your lucky to be on TV once a year...and that means. NO RECRUITS!

wake up and smell reality, A&M and fix your program before you blame everyone else for your failures.You posted what I was going to only better. Now A&M will get beat as they would in SEC but make a whole lotta cash to have an average football program.

ATXtexanfan
06-16-2010, 03:22 PM
I wonder if Nebraska is having any second thoughts after seeing the revised TV deal that the teams in the Big 12 leveraged out of this arrangement.

the deal wouldn't have happened without the near collapse of the conference. long term this will benefit nebraska. they seem like a north school.

HoustonFrog
06-16-2010, 03:55 PM
This is long but just got this email...sorry if it offends but it was too funny not to post.

If the Big 12 teams were women

Texas is the hottest, richest chick around. She can have anybody she wants. If you land Texas , all of your dreams cometrue. What you don’t realize is that at the end of the day, you are going to be sitting outside of the dressing room at Nordstrom’s with your thumb up your *** holding her purse while she tries on a bunch of really expensive sh!t. If you can live with her wearing the pants in the family, then fine. But you’d better learn to like working for her daddy and having her tell you what to wear when you go to the club for dinner on Sunday nights.

OU is a hot chick with big fake boobs who spends lots of time in the gym, but she’s a huge whore. The bad news is that OU will cheat on you. The good news is that OU doesn’t care if you cheat on her. It’s all fun and games until someone doesn’t practice safe sex or your neighbors are snickering at you behind your back because your girl got double teamed by a couple of conventioneers at the Anatole the week of the Cotton Bowl.

A&M is somewhat good looking and intelligent, but completely bat **** crazy. You can’t tell if A&M is bipolar or just having really bad PMS. But either way, she is going to say and do a whole bunch of **** that is just going to leave you scratching your head or ducking for cover. A&M also has two really huge problems: 1) A&M thinks she is much hotter and much smarter than she really is; and 2) She’s got all sorts of issues with Texas . Both of those feed into her mania. You don’t know what you are getting with this nut job, but it wouldn’t surprise you if she cut off all of her hair and joined the SEC, and then 10 minutes later realized how bad she ****** up and came back to you in hysterics.

Colorado is the hippy chick who spends all day on Pearl Street dropping empty gas tank lines on the tourists until her father comes to pick her up in his Benz on the way home from his law practice. Colorado is desirable as long as you can duck batteries, put up with poor hygiene and don’t mind the smell of patchouli.

Tech is cute but has poor self esteem. If you pay any attention to her whatsoever, she will love you forever. She’s the type who gives you a smoker on the way to dinner and would be just as content to be your #$%^ buddy. The worse you treat Tech, the more she loves you.

Oklahoma State is a less attractive and sluttier version of OU. She might look pretty good if you’ve had a few drinks, and she’ll let you do anything you want to her in bed. You also might think that she’s rich, but then you find out that all of her credit cards are maxed out and she can’t afford the car she’s driving.

Baylor is overweight, homely and manipulative, and is always sticking her nose into your business where it doesn’t belong. Baylor will try every trick in the world to land the right guy. Baylor will lie, cheat, steal, backstab, blackmail, etc… and then justify it all by going to church on Sunday and asking Jesus for forgiveness. The worst part about Baylor is that she won’t give it up, but will try to ****block you every chance that she gets.

Nebraska is a cougar who has lost her fastball and is jealous of the other hotter chicks (i.e., Texas ). She just spent $2500 on botox and lip injections, and she now looks like the joker when she smiles. It’s sad to see such a former hottie act so desperately and what’s worse, she can’t decide whether she should try to hook up with an aging sugar daddy or go have a series of one-nighters with the drunk twenty-somethings she picks up at Midnight Rodeo.

Kansas is your classic butterface. Great body, but she looks like she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. At the end of the day, the bad grill outweighs the nice tight ass, because you never want to take her out in public. The last thing you want is to wake up the next morning and have Kansas staring you in the face.

Missouri is cute, but not hot. She’s a nice girl and has a great personality, but needs to drop about 15 lbs. You can see how she could be more attractive, but she’s not ever going to be very sexy, no matter what she does. Missouri is the girl you feel guilty cheating on, but you do it anyway.

Kansas State is overweight and stupid. A few years ago when she lost a ton of weight and looked pretty good, you hooked up with her. Now, you look back and can’t even imagine that it is the same human being. You ignore her Facebook friend request and pretend you don’t recognize or remember her when you run into her in public.

Iowa State is the drunken fat chick at the end of the bar that is just happy to be out of the house. The other girls are nice to Iowa State , mostly because they all look better standing next to her. Iowa State is the type who gets stuck with the huge bar tab at the end of the night and goes home alone unless some really wasted chubby chaser ends up tagging her.

gwallaia
06-16-2010, 04:02 PM
I always went for the Missouri type girls.

badboy
06-16-2010, 04:07 PM
This is long but just got this email...sorry if it offends but it was too funny not to post.

If the Big 12 teams were women

Texas is the hottest, richest chick around. She can have anybody she wants. If you land Texas , all of your dreams cometrue. What you don’t realize is that at the end of the day, you are going to be sitting outside of the dressing room at Nordstrom’s with your thumb up your *** holding her purse while she tries on a bunch of really expensive sh!t. If you can live with her wearing the pants in the family, then fine. But you’d better learn to like working for her daddy and having her tell you what to wear when you go to the club for dinner on Sunday nights.

OU is a hot chick with big fake boobs who spends lots of time in the gym, but she’s a huge whore. The bad news is that OU will cheat on you. The good news is that OU doesn’t care if you cheat on her. It’s all fun and games until someone doesn’t practice safe sex or your neighbors are snickering at you behind your back because your girl got double teamed by a couple of conventioneers at the Anatole the week of the Cotton Bowl.

A&M is somewhat good looking and intelligent, but completely bat **** crazy. You can’t tell if A&M is bipolar or just having really bad PMS. But either way, she is going to say and do a whole bunch of **** that is just going to leave you scratching your head or ducking for cover. A&M also has two really huge problems: 1) A&M thinks she is much hotter and much smarter than she really is; and 2) She’s got all sorts of issues with Texas . Both of those feed into her mania. You don’t know what you are getting with this nut job, but it wouldn’t surprise you if she cut off all of her hair and joined the SEC, and then 10 minutes later realized how bad she ****** up and came back to you in hysterics.

Colorado is the hippy chick who spends all day on Pearl Street dropping empty gas tank lines on the tourists until her father comes to pick her up in his Benz on the way home from his law practice. Colorado is desirable as long as you can duck batteries, put up with poor hygiene and don’t mind the smell of patchouli.

Tech is cute but has poor self esteem. If you pay any attention to her whatsoever, she will love you forever. She’s the type who gives you a smoker on the way to dinner and would be just as content to be your #$%^ buddy. The worse you treat Tech, the more she loves you.

Oklahoma State is a less attractive and sluttier version of OU. She might look pretty good if you’ve had a few drinks, and she’ll let you do anything you want to her in bed. You also might think that she’s rich, but then you find out that all of her credit cards are maxed out and she can’t afford the car she’s driving.

Baylor is overweight, homely and manipulative, and is always sticking her nose into your business where it doesn’t belong. Baylor will try every trick in the world to land the right guy. Baylor will lie, cheat, steal, backstab, blackmail, etc… and then justify it all by going to church on Sunday and asking Jesus for forgiveness. The worst part about Baylor is that she won’t give it up, but will try to ****block you every chance that she gets.

Nebraska is a cougar who has lost her fastball and is jealous of the other hotter chicks (i.e., Texas ). She just spent $2500 on botox and lip injections, and she now looks like the joker when she smiles. It’s sad to see such a former hottie act so desperately and what’s worse, she can’t decide whether she should try to hook up with an aging sugar daddy or go have a series of one-nighters with the drunk twenty-somethings she picks up at Midnight Rodeo.

Kansas is your classic butterface. Great body, but she looks like she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. At the end of the day, the bad grill outweighs the nice tight ass, because you never want to take her out in public. The last thing you want is to wake up the next morning and have Kansas staring you in the face.

Missouri is cute, but not hot. She’s a nice girl and has a great personality, but needs to drop about 15 lbs. You can see how she could be more attractive, but she’s not ever going to be very sexy, no matter what she does. Missouri is the girl you feel guilty cheating on, but you do it anyway.

Kansas State is overweight and stupid. A few years ago when she lost a ton of weight and looked pretty good, you hooked up with her. Now, you look back and can’t even imagine that it is the same human being. You ignore her Facebook friend request and pretend you don’t recognize or remember her when you run into her in public.

Iowa State is the drunken fat chick at the end of the bar that is just happy to be out of the house. The other girls are nice to Iowa State , mostly because they all look better standing next to her. Iowa State is the type who gets stuck with the huge bar tab at the end of the night and goes home alone unless some really wasted chubby chaser ends up tagging her.
I'd add: University of Houston is the girl next door that every guy turns to. You like everything about her but keep looking over her shoulder at every approaching woman. Every year or so you think you have a real winner and consider marriage and then she does something stupid that makes you look for that other chick that likes basketball.

Dutchrudder
06-16-2010, 05:10 PM
Did you visit the facebook page?

I wasn't referring to his post.

Oh, well it seemed like it was directed at him.



Far as being happy about the Big 12 staying...eh... I wouldn't say happy more as I just don't see the allure of 4 mega conferences running college football. I mean it's already lopsided at 6.

Admittedly, maybe I'm just missing the dots, but I keep hearing/seeing some people talking about how it would create a playoff system.


I think the idea is that you would have 4 very competitive conferences, which would have 4 championships to decide who is best from each. There wouldn't be much of a way to determine which two are best, so the best way to determine the national champion would be to make a 4 team playoff by default. But really, if they wanted to do that, I would be all for having the top 4 teams play it out for the National Championship as it is now, but I think they (NCAA) don't want the oddball TCU, Boise or Utah to steal the show and get two BCS bowls in the same season.

ArlingtonTexan
06-16-2010, 05:15 PM
This is long but just got this email...sorry if it offends but it was too funny not to post.

If the Big 12 teams were women

Texas is the hottest, richest chick around. She can have anybody she wants. If you land Texas , all of your dreams cometrue. What you don’t realize is that at the end of the day, you are going to be sitting outside of the dressing room at Nordstrom’s with your thumb up your *** holding her purse while she tries on a bunch of really expensive sh!t. If you can live with her wearing the pants in the family, then fine. But you’d better learn to like working for her daddy and having her tell you what to wear when you go to the club for dinner on Sunday nights.

OU is a hot chick with big fake boobs who spends lots of time in the gym, but she’s a huge whore. The bad news is that OU will cheat on you. The good news is that OU doesn’t care if you cheat on her. It’s all fun and games until someone doesn’t practice safe sex or your neighbors are snickering at you behind your back because your girl got double teamed by a couple of conventioneers at the Anatole the week of the Cotton Bowl.

A&M is somewhat good looking and intelligent, but completely bat **** crazy. You can’t tell if A&M is bipolar or just having really bad PMS. But either way, she is going to say and do a whole bunch of **** that is just going to leave you scratching your head or ducking for cover. A&M also has two really huge problems: 1) A&M thinks she is much hotter and much smarter than she really is; and 2) She’s got all sorts of issues with Texas . Both of those feed into her mania. You don’t know what you are getting with this nut job, but it wouldn’t surprise you if she cut off all of her hair and joined the SEC, and then 10 minutes later realized how bad she ****** up and came back to you in hysterics.

Colorado is the hippy chick who spends all day on Pearl Street dropping empty gas tank lines on the tourists until her father comes to pick her up in his Benz on the way home from his law practice. Colorado is desirable as long as you can duck batteries, put up with poor hygiene and don’t mind the smell of patchouli.

Tech is cute but has poor self esteem. If you pay any attention to her whatsoever, she will love you forever. She’s the type who gives you a smoker on the way to dinner and would be just as content to be your #$%^ buddy. The worse you treat Tech, the more she loves you.

Oklahoma State is a less attractive and sluttier version of OU. She might look pretty good if you’ve had a few drinks, and she’ll let you do anything you want to her in bed. You also might think that she’s rich, but then you find out that all of her credit cards are maxed out and she can’t afford the car she’s driving.

Baylor is overweight, homely and manipulative, and is always sticking her nose into your business where it doesn’t belong. Baylor will try every trick in the world to land the right guy. Baylor will lie, cheat, steal, backstab, blackmail, etc… and then justify it all by going to church on Sunday and asking Jesus for forgiveness. The worst part about Baylor is that she won’t give it up, but will try to ****block you every chance that she gets.

Nebraska is a cougar who has lost her fastball and is jealous of the other hotter chicks (i.e., Texas ). She just spent $2500 on botox and lip injections, and she now looks like the joker when she smiles. It’s sad to see such a former hottie act so desperately and what’s worse, she can’t decide whether she should try to hook up with an aging sugar daddy or go have a series of one-nighters with the drunk twenty-somethings she picks up at Midnight Rodeo.

Kansas is your classic butterface. Great body, but she looks like she fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. At the end of the day, the bad grill outweighs the nice tight ass, because you never want to take her out in public. The last thing you want is to wake up the next morning and have Kansas staring you in the face.

Missouri is cute, but not hot. She’s a nice girl and has a great personality, but needs to drop about 15 lbs. You can see how she could be more attractive, but she’s not ever going to be very sexy, no matter what she does. Missouri is the girl you feel guilty cheating on, but you do it anyway.

Kansas State is overweight and stupid. A few years ago when she lost a ton of weight and looked pretty good, you hooked up with her. Now, you look back and can’t even imagine that it is the same human being. You ignore her Facebook friend request and pretend you don’t recognize or remember her when you run into her in public.

Iowa State is the drunken fat chick at the end of the bar that is just happy to be out of the house. The other girls are nice to Iowa State , mostly because they all look better standing next to her. Iowa State is the type who gets stuck with the huge bar tab at the end of the night and goes home alone unless some really wasted chubby chaser ends up tagging her.

I would hate to see what type of chicks my schools: Lamar and UT-Arlington are if these are better options.

Goldensilence
06-16-2010, 05:22 PM
Oh, well it seemed like it was directed at him.





I think the idea is that you would have 4 very competitive conferences, which would have 4 championships to decide who is best from each. There wouldn't be much of a way to determine which two are best, so the best way to determine the national champion would be to make a 4 team playoff by default. But really, if they wanted to do that, I would be all for having the top 4 teams play it out for the National Championship as it is now, but I think they (NCAA) don't want the oddball TCU, Boise or Utah to steal the show and get two BCS bowls in the same season.

I still think the idea sounds better than it would actually be. I don't get how people are figuring the NCAA(and some schools for that matter) would actually default to a four team playoff, unless you do a plus one game. Which MAYBE they would be, but that's still not a guarantee.

Even then I just see it complicating things more. Just seems like it's more ripe for situations like TT, UT and OU 2 years ago when they had a round robin of defeats. Or which one loss team is really more deserving than the other for a shot at a BCS game.

Dutchrudder
06-16-2010, 06:07 PM
Saw this link on the A&M President's page. He answers a few things about the decisions and gives some more details. It's worth a 2 minute read :)


Question: There have been several reports that there is not a new signed Big 12 TV contract. How certain are you that it will actually happen and Texas A&M will receive more revenues than the other conferences offered?

“I spoke with the Big 12 Commissioner late Sunday evening and also conferenced him in to our Monday afternoon meeting. It is true that a signed TV contract is not yet in place.

However, the basic terms of a new Big 12 agreement (beginning in 2011) are in place and are in sufficient detail to give us confidence that we know the “floor” of our next agreement. It was on this basis that we, and other Big 12 institutions, were able to make a decision late Monday afternoon. As in negotiations of this nature, we will receive more details as the talks continue.”


Question: Texas is taking a lot of credit for saving the Big 12 Conference. Did we stand on the sidelines?

“I don’t think any one university can take credit for saving the Big 12 Conference. It was a collective commitment by the remaining 10 members of the conference. What many people don’t realize, however, is that Texas President Bill Powers is also chair of the Big 12 Board of Directors, which includes all of the university presidents and the Big 12’s executive team.

It’s a position that rotates around to all of the Big 12 presidents. But don’t think for a minute that Texas A&M was idle during this situation. We acted independently and were very aggressive in exploring options and protecting our long-term interests.

A lot of the media reports are starting to report about the strength of our position during the entire situation. Texas A&M played a key role in ultimately increasing the financial viability of the Big 12. I think the facts support this claim – Texas A&M is poised to benefit just as much financially from the Big 12 as Texas or Oklahoma.”

Link for more (http://president.tamu.edu/category/messages/)

b0ng
06-16-2010, 06:36 PM
I would hate to see what type of chicks my schools: Lamar and UT-Arlington are if these are better options.

One is in a wheelchair and the other is twelve.

ArlingtonTexan
06-16-2010, 06:57 PM
One is in a wheelchair and the other is twelve.

Damn!!! You could have at least told me one is trailer park trash and the other was in the rejected chick sorority.

Second Honeymoon
06-16-2010, 08:25 PM
Houstonfrog
that was one of the best posts ever
I'm gonna share that with my peeps

would love to see your take on your beloved TCU

b0ng
06-16-2010, 09:32 PM
Damn!!! You could have at least told me one is trailer park trash and the other was in the rejected chick sorority.

At least they aren't the Ivy League schools. Those are 8 year old phillipino boys.

Goldensilence
06-17-2010, 02:50 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5294165

Will be interesting to see how it sorts out.

Kulluminatii
06-17-2010, 07:49 PM
Lawmakers supporting Houston bid to join Big 12 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gMHhEDK6x2u6DLOXQTnbuIm2julwD9GD7PJ01)

HOUSTON — About two dozen Texas lawmakers are supporting efforts to get the University of Houston admitted to the Big 12 Conference.

State Reps. Garnet Coleman and Bill Callegari, both from the Houston area, co-wrote a letter Thursday asking Big 12 officials to consider adding the university to the conference.

"UH is the third largest university in Texas, and is on track to rank among the top research universities in this state," the letter says. "Despite UH's local and statewide prominence, the university does not belong to a strong BCS conference such as the Big 12. The Cougars, the city of Houston, and the state of Texas deserve better."

Houston is a member of Conference USA and was a member of the Southwest Conference until 1995.

Conference USA officials did not immediately respond Thursday to messages left by The Associated Press. Big 12 officials said commissioner Dan Beebe was not available to comment.

The Big 12 is set to lose two schools after Nebraska committed to the Big Ten and Colorado to the Pac-10. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has said the league has no plans to add any teams from within its five-state area, which includes Texas.

Coleman said he is not deterred by Beebe's stance.

"I don't quit," Coleman told the Houston Chronicle. "I don't start something I'm not going to finish. If I didn't think this was a worthy endeavor, I wouldn't have started it. This is the beginning of this effort, not the end."

:spin:

awtysst
06-17-2010, 09:35 PM
Lawmakers supporting Houston bid to join Big 12 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gMHhEDK6x2u6DLOXQTnbuIm2julwD9GD7PJ01)



:spin:

And UH brings NOTHING to the table. They are not a money maker, they are not a consistently good team, and they do not have a national following. A combination of TCU and Arkansas makes the Big XII stronger than it was with CU and Nebraska.

Kulluminatii
06-17-2010, 09:49 PM
From what I've read, Arkansas is not at all interested in leaving the SEC.

b0ng
06-17-2010, 10:09 PM
And UH brings NOTHING to the table. They are not a money maker, they are not a consistently good team, and they do not have a national following. A combination of TCU and Arkansas makes the Big XII stronger than it was with CU and Nebraska.

Yeah UH certainly can't beat other BigXII teams oh wai-

Goldensilence
06-17-2010, 10:36 PM
From what I've read, Arkansas is not at all interested in leaving the SEC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5298661

Yep, but I think for the right deal they would leave for the Big 12 in a couple of years.

Yeah UH certainly can't beat other BigXII teams oh wai-

They've faired not too bad against the Big 12, but mostly have played Ok State.

I think in a couple of years UH can bring a lot to the table once the new stadium and arena come into play.

I just don't think at this point after a near death experience and the few things that kept the Big 12 together keys on them staying a 10 team league in the short run.

Kulluminatii
06-18-2010, 04:22 AM
At the end of all this drama, I believe this video fits what has happened perfectly :D.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPuY9ZcME4

awtysst
06-18-2010, 06:15 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens now. Right now Pac 10, Big 10, SEC, and ACC have 12 teams. Big XII has 10. Big East has 8.

I do not forsee any other major changes in the BCS conferences this year. I think the Big XII will stand pat at 10 teams for the next 2-3 years as UT gets its exclusive (Fox?) TV deal ironed out. Over the next 2-3 I think we will see how successful they can be with it. If it is a big moneymaker, they may entertain bringing in an up and comer like TCU into the Big XII which does not bring in much revenue, but brings in solid football.

I think the Big XII want to stay around 11 schools so they do not need to play the extra championship game.

IDEXAN
06-18-2010, 06:49 PM
Who dosen't think Missouri is gone in a heart beat if they get an invite from
the Big 10 ? This conference is shakier than ever.

ATXtexanfan
06-18-2010, 08:28 PM
Who dosen't think Missouri is gone in a heart beat if they get an invite from
the Big 10 ? This conference is shakier than ever.

exactly, the unequal revenue sharing doesn't help either

ATXtexanfan
06-18-2010, 08:30 PM
Yeah UH certainly can't beat other BigXII teams oh wai-

when did they beat UT and OU? TT and OSU wins mean nothing. UH should schedule UT at reliant.

JB
06-18-2010, 08:48 PM
when did they beat UT and OU? TT and OSU wins mean nothing. UH should schedule UT at reliant.

Both TT and OSU were highly rated whe UH beat them. And they would love to schedule UT at Reliant.

You think they are scared?

Goldensilence
06-18-2010, 08:49 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens now. Right now Pac 10, Big 10, SEC, and ACC have 12 teams. Big XII has 10. Big East has 8.

I do not forsee any other major changes in the BCS conferences this year. I think the Big XII will stand pat at 10 teams for the next 2-3 years as UT gets its exclusive (Fox?) TV deal ironed out. Over the next 2-3 I think we will see how successful they can be with it. If it is a big moneymaker, they may entertain bringing in an up and comer like TCU into the Big XII which does not bring in much revenue, but brings in solid football.

I think the Big XII want to stay around 11 schools so they do not need to play the extra championship game.

I think its a couple of years but they will look to add two more teams. I still think by that time UH becomes a serious contender to be added.

Who dosen't think Missouri is gone in a heart beat if they get an invite from
the Big 10 ? This conference is shakier than ever.

Well by most accounts people thought Mizzou would be the one that would be the one offered a spot by the Big 10 first. Really it came down to wanting the football tradition of NU instead of the all around package Mizzou is academically and athletically.

I don't see Mizzou getting an invite. Even then I think after the flirtation with the Big X they would want an official public invite.

ATXtexanfan
06-18-2010, 09:31 PM
Both TT and OSU were highly rated whe UH beat them. And they would love to schedule UT at Reliant.

You think they are scared?

no, dont think they are scared at all. when app st beat michigan at the big house they didn't jump from 1AA to 1A did they? beating osu and tt means nothing. didn't utep beat UH by 21? should they be in the big 12 also? big ten lite will stay at 10 schools because they don't want to share the cash. UH brings nothing to the table for them. when did tt and osu become top tier teams?

Goldensilence
06-18-2010, 09:40 PM
no, dont think they are scared at all. when app st beat michigan at the big house they didn't jump from 1AA to 1A did they? beating osu and tt means nothing. didn't utep beat UH by 21? should they be in the big 12 also? big ten lite will stay at 10 schools because they don't want to share the cash. UH brings nothing to the table for them. when did tt and osu become top tier teams?

Why yes. Yes they did. It was the one good moment for my the football season here at UTEP.

I think Mike Price has next year to get back into the winning column. If not, I know this might sound crazy, but I'd love it if the school brought in Leach.

JB
06-18-2010, 09:56 PM
no, dont think they are scared at all. when app st beat michigan at the big house they didn't jump from 1AA to 1A did they? beating osu and tt means nothing. didn't utep beat UH by 21? should they be in the big 12 also? big ten lite will stay at 10 schools because they don't want to share the cash. UH brings nothing to the table for them. when did tt and osu become top tier teams?

I didn't say anything about UH to Big XII-2. In response to the post by Bong
Yeah UH certainly can't beat other BigXII teams oh wai-

You said

when did they beat UT and OU? TT and OSU wins mean nothing. UH should schedule UT at reliant.

I think it meant what it meant. UH beat two good Big XII-2 teams.

ATXtexanfan
06-18-2010, 10:00 PM
I didn't say anything about UH to Big XII-2. In response to the post by Bong


You said



I think it meant what it meant. UH beat two good Big XII-2 teams.

not picking a fight or nothing. i just dont understand how beating TT and OSU means anything in the grand scheme of things. sorry jb

JB
06-18-2010, 10:12 PM
not picking a fight or nothing. i just dont understand how beating TT and OSU means anything in the grand scheme of things. sorry jb

No problem. I just don't think you should discount what they did. It was huge for them at the time.

IDEXAN
06-19-2010, 09:18 AM
Well by most accounts people thought Mizzou would be the one that would be the one offered a spot by the Big 10 first. Really it came down to wanting the football tradition of NU instead of the all around package Mizzou is academically and athletically.

I don't see Mizzou getting an invite. Even then I think after the flirtation with the Big X they would want an official public invite.
That's my point. They wanted to go and were actively and openly pimping themselves to the "Big 10" but didn't get an invite, so with this
new financial arrangement in the "Big 12" where they and other teams are in an even more subservient role to UT than before, they will leave so quick with an invite from the "Big 10" (or another BCS conference if that opportunity should arise ?) it will make your head swim.
They may not get one, but if they do "bye, bye Mizzou".

Hookem Horns
06-19-2010, 11:46 AM
OK, I just posted something in the other Houston thread before I saw this one. How does UH not bring anything to the table? Isn't Houston still the 4th largest TV market? As far as competing, you don't think UH would recruit better and become a power if it were in the Big 12? Geez, they beat OSU last year in the crappy conference they are in now.

I think UH would turn into a power in the Big 12 as it was in the SWC. They should have been in the Big 12 to start off with and Baylor should be playing schools like Texas State.

steelbtexan
06-19-2010, 01:05 PM
OK, I just posted something in the other Houston thread before I saw this one. How does UH not bring anything to the table? Isn't Houston still the 4th largest TV market? As far as competing, you don't think UH would recruit better and become a power if it were in the Big 12? Geez, they beat OSU last year in the crappy conference they are in now.

I think UH would turn into a power in the Big 12 as it was in the SWC. They should have been in the Big 12 to start off with and Baylor should be playing schools like Texas State.

UH brings nothing to the Big 12-2. UT & A&M bring more of the TV market share in Houston than UH does.

I went to my 1st UH football game 2 yrs ago and there are better high school stadiums than the one UH plays in. The bathrooms were disgusting.

Hofeinz is a run down piece of crap. UH facilities are helping keep them where they are. A 2nd rate team in a 2nd rate confrence.

That doesn't even adress the fact that UH isn't on par with other Big 12 schools academically. Or the fact that nobody wants to go to the hood to watch a football game. Dont believe me me look at the crowds they draw.


If UH would spend the $$$ it took to upgrade their facilities then maybe they could be looked at for inclusion into the Big 12. Until this happens the Big 12 is just a pipe dream. IMHO

GP
06-19-2010, 01:09 PM
UH and TCU would make good sense.

UH for their TV market, and TCU for their steadily-rising football program.

Whoever said Leach might be a good fit at UH...I think he would recruit even better at UH because let's face it: What Houston or Dallas player wants to go to Lubbock? But to stay near the DFW-Houston area, where they are near family and family can travel more easily to see them? Probably.

The system is in place at UH. It makes perfect sense. Throw in the fact that Houston is near a body of water, and the whole Pirate schtick is a fit.

:pirate:

GP
06-19-2010, 01:11 PM
UH brings nothing to the Big 12-2. UT & A&M bring more of the TV market share in Houston than UH does.

I went to my 1st UH football game 2 yrs ago and there are better high school stadiums than the one UH plays in. The bathrooms were disgusting.

Hofeinz is a run down piece of crap. UH facilities are helping keep them where they are. A 2nd rate team in a 2nd rate confrence.

That doesn't even adress the fact that UH isn't on par with other Big 12 schools academically. Or the fact that nobody wants to go to the hood to watch a football game. Dont believe me me look at the crowds they draw.


If UH would spend the $$$ it took to upgrade their facilities then maybe they could be looked at for inclusion into the Big 12. Until this happens the Big 12 is just a pipe dream. IMHO

If they joined the Big 12, I would bet there would be a new stadium.

If Lubbock could do the expansions they undertook, UH can too. Especially if they had a big-name personality join their ranks: Mike Leach.

Dutchrudder
06-19-2010, 01:15 PM
If they joined the Big 12, I would bet there would be a new stadium.

If Lubbock could do the expansions they undertook, UH can too. Especially if they had a big-name personality join their ranks: Mike Leach.
There is no reason for U of H to change coaches right now. They had a great offense last year but a poor defense that held them back.

Goldensilence
06-19-2010, 05:59 PM
That's my point. They wanted to go and were actively and openly pimping themselves to the "Big 10" but didn't get an invite, so with this
new financial arrangement in the "Big 12" where they and other teams are in an even more subservient role to UT than before, they will leave so quick with an invite from the "Big 10" (or another BCS conference if that opportunity should arise ?) it will make your head swim.
They may not get one, but if they do "bye, bye Mizzou".

Actually what's your point? If they didn't get an invite around this time, what makes you think they will in another couple of years? What changes?

I also don't get the whole subservient to UT angle some people insist on. Look, a lot of the other schools like Baylor, Iowa State, K-State, Kansas, and there were grumblings the only reason TT would get a PAC-10 invite is because it would be a package deal with UT and A&M. Those schools had just as much interest in keeping the Big 12 together.

So each school gets a raise in revenue sharing, they get to keep in a conference (while it is weaker) still is relevant far as the BCS goes. How is that not a win for those schools as well.

UH brings nothing to the Big 12-2. UT & A&M bring more of the TV market share in Houston than UH does.

I went to my 1st UH football game 2 yrs ago and there are better high school stadiums than the one UH plays in. The bathrooms were disgusting.

Hofeinz is a run down piece of crap. UH facilities are helping keep them where they are. A 2nd rate team in a 2nd rate confrence.

That doesn't even adress the fact that UH isn't on par with other Big 12 schools academically. Or the fact that nobody wants to go to the hood to watch a football game. Dont believe me me look at the crowds they draw.


If UH would spend the $$$ it took to upgrade their facilities then maybe they could be looked at for inclusion into the Big 12. Until this happens the Big 12 is just a pipe dream. IMHO

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72614

It's in the works.

Both should be done in two years, coincidentally that should be the amount of time the Big 12 should look to expand again and a year or two before they can rework another new contract with ESPN.

GuerillaBlack
06-20-2010, 10:05 AM
UH to the Big 12! With the way it is, Texas plays weaker competition, so their chance at getting into the national championship game becomes harder. I think both Houston and Arkansas will make it into the Big 12 soon. Then, you can have: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri in the Big 12 North. Then, you have Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Houston, Arkansas, and Baylor in the Big 12 South. Then, you can bring back the national championship game and move it from Cowboys Stadium, to Reliant Stadium (and maybe the Alamaodome) every other year. Can you imagine a Oklahoma vs. Texas rematch, where the winner is gets to go to the national championship game, along with the Big 12 championship?

This works best also because it's basically the old SWC division + some of the old Big 8, so teams get to play their old rivals again. It also makes it easier for DFW and Houston to serve as "neutral" site games. Plus, if Arkansas and Houston join the Big 12, it would make it less likely that the conference breaks up, in my opinion. If it sits the way it is, and Texas starts getting a ton of money, while the other schools sit and watch, then I can easily see A&M bolting to the SEC, and Houston teaming up with Texas Tech to both go join another conference (instead of Houston trying to join the Big 12). Then, Texas will be screwed...especially if their goal is the national championship. The BCS will laugh at the competition they play.

Stemp
06-20-2010, 10:07 AM
I still don't buy these new "revenue projections". And if ND joins the Big 10, Mizzou will be next and this Big 12 lite conference gets flushed down the toilet.

GuerillaBlack
06-20-2010, 10:50 AM
I still don't buy these new "revenue projections". And if ND joins the Big 10, Mizzou will be next and this Big 12 lite conference gets flushed down the toilet.

Which is why bringing in Houston and Arkansas makes sense. It would make the conference seem more stable, in my opinion, and less likely of a breakup.

IDEXAN
06-20-2010, 10:55 AM
And if ND joins the Big 10, Mizzou will be next and this Big 12 lite conference gets flushed down the toilet.
Bingo ! Mizzou is gone so fast with an invite from the Big 10, because they were unhappy before and now they are even more unhappy, so with that kind of discontent among present Big 12 members, instability is greater than ever in the "new Big 12".

JB
06-20-2010, 11:01 AM
Bingo ! Mizzou is gone so fast with an invite from the Big 10, because they were unhappy before and now they are even more unhappy, so with that kind of discontent among present Big 12 members, instability is greater than ever in the "new Big 12".

Where do you come up with this? You know Missouri is unhappier now? How?

They did not get an invite from the Big X before, why do you think they will in the future?

GuerillaBlack
06-20-2010, 11:06 AM
UH brings nothing to the Big 12-2. UT & A&M bring more of the TV market share in Houston than UH does.

I went to my 1st UH football game 2 yrs ago and there are better high school stadiums than the one UH plays in. The bathrooms were disgusting.

Hofeinz is a run down piece of crap. UH facilities are helping keep them where they are. A 2nd rate team in a 2nd rate confrence.

That doesn't even adress the fact that UH isn't on par with other Big 12 schools academically. Or the fact that nobody wants to go to the hood to watch a football game. Dont believe me me look at the crowds they draw.


If UH would spend the $$$ it took to upgrade their facilities then maybe they could be looked at for inclusion into the Big 12. Until this happens the Big 12 is just a pipe dream. IMHO

Well, luckily, there is a new stadium and arena renovation plan for UH, so all that doesn't matter. Do wish the capacities were larger. Only 40,000 with the ability to expand to 50,000. That isn't bad for the Big 12 though.

Dan B.
06-20-2010, 12:02 PM
Well, luckily, there is a new stadium and arena renovation plan for UH, so all that doesn't matter. Do wish the capacities were larger. Only 40,000 with the ability to expand to 50,000. That isn't bad for the Big 12 though.
Now they gotta pay for it

IDEXAN
06-20-2010, 01:06 PM
Where do you come up with this? You know Missouri is unhappier now? How?

They did not get an invite from the Big X before, why do you think they will in the future?

People hear Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon trashing other conference schools’ academics. They see one school wield enough power that some suggest calling the league the Big TeXas. And they definitely watched the video of powerful Oklahoma State booster T. Boone Pickens saying, among other things, “I don’t care about Missouri.”
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/15/2020573/big-12-may-be-saved-but-it-still.html#ixzz0rPgqJszR

This above quote is from the KC Star, and it touchs on some of the reasons
there is nothing but bad chemistry between conference members today.
Re any knowledge that Mizzou would get an invite from the Big 10 (or another conference they might prefer to the Big 12) in the future, I have no such knowledge. But it could happen under various scenarios, and Mizzou only remains in the Big 12 because that is presently its only option. But who's to say what the future holds, because we know that Mizzou is willing to bolt.

TexanSam
06-20-2010, 02:04 PM
Whoever said Leach might be a good fit at UH...I think he would recruit even better at UH because let's face it: What Houston or Dallas player wants to go to Lubbock? But to stay near the DFW-Houston area, where they are near family and family can travel more easily to see them? Probably.

The system is in place at UH. It makes perfect sense. Throw in the fact that Houston is near a body of water, and the whole Pirate schtick is a fit.

:pirate:

He said Leach to UTEP to replace Mike Price. I don't know if Leach would go to any small non-BCS school though.

JCTexan
06-20-2010, 07:51 PM
UH to the Big 12! With the way it is, Texas plays weaker competition, so their chance at getting into the national championship game becomes harder. I think both Houston and Arkansas will make it into the Big 12 soon. Then, you can have: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri in the Big 12 North. Then, you have Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Houston, Arkansas, and Baylor in the Big 12 South. Then, you can bring back the national championship game and move it from Cowboys Stadium, to Reliant Stadium (and maybe the Alamaodome) every other year. Can you imagine a Oklahoma vs. Texas rematch, where the winner is gets to go to the national championship game, along with the Big 12 championship?

This works best also because it's basically the old SWC division + some of the old Big 8, so teams get to play their old rivals again. It also makes it easier for DFW and Houston to serve as "neutral" site games. Plus, if Arkansas and Houston join the Big 12, it would make it less likely that the conference breaks up, in my opinion. If it sits the way it is, and Texas starts getting a ton of money, while the other schools sit and watch, then I can easily see A&M bolting to the SEC, and Houston teaming up with Texas Tech to both go join another conference (instead of Houston trying to join the Big 12). Then, Texas will be screwed...especially if their goal is the national championship. The BCS will laugh at the competition they play.

Isn't Texas A&M getting their own TV network also? If Texas A&M & Texas Tech leave the BigXII-2 why would Texas stay? It wouldn't make any sense for them to remain in the BigXII & not join the PAC if the conference gets down to eight teams.

rmartin65
06-20-2010, 08:20 PM
Hmm. I keep reading about Houston possibly joining the Big 12-2. They would still need one should that happen. And I have no clue who that would be.

The MWC seemed to make a big move by grabbing Boise State, but then Utah left. So instead of 10 teams, they still have 9. I wonder if they make a play, or what happens to them if the other team the Big 12 takes is TCU?

Second Honeymoon
06-21-2010, 11:29 AM
please. for the love of god.

HOUSTON IS NOT JOINING THE BIG12!! EVER!!

its a commuter school, little to no campus life, a high school stadium, and an apathetic alumni base

Rice is actually a better candidate, as is TCU...

geez, this UH thing is just off the charts. Cougar High FTL

GuerillaBlack
06-21-2010, 11:48 AM
Hmm. I keep reading about Houston possibly joining the Big 12-2. They would still need one should that happen. And I have no clue who that would be.

The MWC seemed to make a big move by grabbing Boise State, but then Utah left. So instead of 10 teams, they still have 9. I wonder if they make a play, or what happens to them if the other team the Big 12 takes is TCU?

Jerry Jones is courting Arkansas and Notre Dame to the Big 12. I doubt Notre Dame goes, but I can see Arkansas leaving the SEC.

please. for the love of god.

HOUSTON IS NOT JOINING THE BIG12!! EVER!!

its a commuter school, little to no campus life, a high school stadium, and an apathetic alumni base

Rice is actually a better candidate, as is TCU...

geez, this UH thing is just off the charts. Cougar High FTL

Except they're building a new football stadium and upgrading the arena. Not to mention they are adding a ton of dorm rooms there. UH is getting a lot better. Plus, it opens up Reliant as a venue for certain games, though Reliant should already be a venue for football games (Bob McNair needs to contact Texas and LSU, and get an annual game going...seriously).

Goldensilence
06-21-2010, 12:58 PM
People hear Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon trashing other conference schools’ academics. They see one school wield enough power that some suggest calling the league the Big TeXas. And they definitely watched the video of powerful Oklahoma State booster T. Boone Pickens saying, among other things, “I don’t care about Missouri.”
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/15/2020573/big-12-may-be-saved-but-it-still.html#ixzz0rPgqJszR

This above quote is from the KC Star, and it touchs on some of the reasons
there is nothing but bad chemistry between conference members today.
Re any knowledge that Mizzou would get an invite from the Big 10 (or another conference they might prefer to the Big 12) in the future, I have no such knowledge. But it could happen under various scenarios, and Mizzou only remains in the Big 12 because that is presently its only option. But who's to say what the future holds, because we know that Mizzou is willing to bolt.

:rolleyes:

Compelling.

Again if Mizzou didn't get the Big 10 invite this time around when clearly they have a lot more to bring to the table all around than NU, what changes? What changes so dramatically that the Big X decides to go ahead and add Mizzou? Truth is Mizzou got played bu the Big X, but somehow they're supposed to be bitter about being in the Big XII? Once they realized they got played, they begged for the the Big XII to stay because they knew after that they were pretty much headed to a lesser conference.

He said Leach to UTEP to replace Mike Price. I don't know if Leach would go to any small non-BCS school though.

I think he might given the right situation. I'd like to see him out here because while he might be full of it he's a good X's and O's guy and understands recruiting west Texas.

Good fit because he can install the same system out here and IMO, though not too much more, El Paso would be a better place to play than Lubbock.

Jerry Jones is courting Arkansas and Notre Dame to the Big 12. I doubt Notre Dame goes, but I can see Arkansas leaving the SEC.



Except they're building a new football stadium and upgrading the arena. Not to mention they are adding a ton of dorm rooms there. UH is getting a lot better. Plus, it opens up Reliant as a venue for certain games, though Reliant should already be a venue for football games (Bob McNair needs to contact Texas and LSU, and get an annual game going...seriously).

Bingo. Some people are totally missing the boat on the new renovations going on at UH. They are seriously making a play to move up in the sports world and help the university at the same time.

I also think given the right situation Arkansas would leave the SEC where its programs have become irrelevant.

Goldensilence
06-21-2010, 04:30 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5306278

Interesting Piece.

HoustonFrog
06-30-2010, 09:13 AM
I completely agree with this and said something similar earlier in the thread. This is temporary

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5341756


First-year Texas Tech football coach Tommy Tuberville broke ranks with those inside the Big 12 who laud the efforts that kept the conference together and speak of a bright future for the 10-team league.

In an interview Tuesday on Rivals Radio, Tuberville said that he didn't think the new Big 12 would have staying power.

"I don't think this conference will last long because there is too much disparity between all the teams," Tuberville told host Bill King. "In the SEC, for instance, Vanderbilt makes as much money in the television contract as Florida. Everybody is good with it. Everybody is on the same page. Everyone gets the same votes.

"That doesn't happen here in the Big 12. We have some teams that get a little bit more money and have a little bit more stroke than some of the other teams. And when that happens, you're gonna have teams looking for better avenues to leave and reasons to leave."

Tuberville coached in the SEC at Ole Miss (1995-1998) and Auburn (1999-2008) before being hired earlier this year to replace Mike Leach at Texas Tech.

In the recent wave of conference realignment, Nebraska decided to leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten, and Colorado accepted an invitation from the Pac-10.

The Big 12 almost dissolved when when Tech, Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were on the verge of joining Colorado, and Texas A&M was pondering heading to the SEC or the Pac-10.

But on the strength of Texas' commitment and the promise of lucrative television deals, the Big 12's remaining 10 teams reached an agreement to stay togther.

Tuberville, however, is skeptical.

"We have a 10-team league right now, but I just don't know how long that's gonna last, to be honest with you," he said in the Rivals Radio interview.

Koolaid Time
06-30-2010, 12:29 PM
I completely agree with this and said something similar earlier in the thread. This is temporary

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5341756


.

It will last for the term of the TV contract, then its every school for itself.

awtysst
06-30-2010, 02:20 PM
I completely agree with this and said something similar earlier in the thread. This is temporary

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5341756


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Tommy T may not like it, but the fact is Tech does not draw additional fans. People outside of Lubbock generally don't clamor about how well the Red Raiders are doing. People outside of Lubbock don't even know the mascot for Tech.

So, if and when the Big 12-2 implode: Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. Each of them will be the prize be time conferences will want. A&M may be in that group as well. However the rest of the Big 12-2 will be in trouble. None of them have the power on their own to draw big TV numbers. That includes Tech. So, Tuberville may not like it, but the fact is his school does not really desearve as much as UT and Oklahoma. Tech does not bring enough money to the organization to warrant equal footing dollars. The SEC may decide to do that(I don't agree with it) but if that is what TT wants, he should go back there.

Second Honeymoon
06-30-2010, 02:43 PM
Tommy T may not like it, but the fact is Tech does not draw additional fans. People outside of Lubbock generally don't clamor about how well the Red Raiders are doing. People outside of Lubbock don't even know the mascot for Tech.

So, if and when the Big 12-2 implode: Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. Each of them will be the prize be time conferences will want. A&M may be in that group as well. However the rest of the Big 12-2 will be in trouble. None of them have the power on their own to draw big TV numbers. That includes Tech. So, Tuberville may not like it, but the fact is his school does not really desearve as much as UT and Oklahoma. Tech does not bring enough money to the organization to warrant equal footing dollars. The SEC may decide to do that(I don't agree with it) but if that is what TT wants, he should go back there.

A&M will be included with Texas and Oklahoma in any future move. A&M is a traditional power with a large alumni base and top facilities and have long standing rivalry/tradition with Texas. I could see Oklahoma being separated from Texas before I could see Texas and Texas A&M abandoning years of tradition and history and going their separate ways.

The best thing would be to go back to 12 teams by adding TCU and Rice or maybe UH if they can build a real stadium and get their fans to fill them up and not just against Texas and A&M.

I think some people underestimated how coveted A&M is/was. The SEC made a run at them but not strong enough. A&M stayed pat, didn't open itself up to SEC football wars, and still got paid.

Dan B.
06-30-2010, 02:46 PM
I completely agree with this and said something similar earlier in the thread. This is temporary

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5341756


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The other schools won't leave unless another conference is willing to give them an equal cut. They don't make enough to justify it, so no one else will. The only schools IMO that have the cred to jump ship are being compensated to stay. The smaller schools voted to give the big schools their own cut so that the small schools could stay relevant.

Other conferences can ***** about how Baylor doesn't get a fair cut, but Baylor still gets more from the Big 12 than they would in the MAC. And no other BCS conference is willing to take them. Where are they going to go?

HoustonFrog
06-30-2010, 03:19 PM
The other schools won't leave unless another conference is willing to give them an equal cut. They don't make enough to justify it, so no one else will. The only schools IMO that have the cred to jump ship are being compensated to stay. The smaller schools voted to give the big schools their own cut so that the small schools could stay relevant.

Other conferences can ***** about how Baylor doesn't get a fair cut, but Baylor still gets more from the Big 12 than they would in the MAC. And no other BCS conference is willing to take them. Where are they going to go?

I agree with some of this but I agreed with him that I don't think the conference is set up to last. I think the Pac-10 and SEC will continue to tweek and add and the Big 12(10) will be less powerful overall.

Goldensilence
06-30-2010, 03:45 PM
A&M will be included with Texas and Oklahoma in any future move. A&M is a traditional power with a large alumni base and top facilities and have long standing rivalry/tradition with Texas. I could see Oklahoma being separated from Texas before I could see Texas and Texas A&M abandoning years of tradition and history and going their separate ways.

The best thing would be to go back to 12 teams by adding TCU and Rice or maybe UH if they can build a real stadium and get their fans to fill them up and not just against Texas and A&M.

I think some people underestimated how coveted A&M is/was. The SEC made a run at them but not strong enough. A&M stayed pat, didn't open itself up to SEC football wars, and still got paid.

I think if the SEC REALLY wanted A&M they could've had them. I'm still not sure what kind of overtures the SEC really made. IF they did take on A&M then they would've had to expand the conference by at least one more. Who is the next target after A&M?

Look A&M alum/fans can ***** and moan much as they want, but in the end the President and AD made the right move. Sure A&M could've competed fine in most other sports, but both understand WHERE the big draw from fans and alum is...the football program. The program as it stands right has been working hard to keep itself relevant in the Big 12 and then they want to jump to the best conference in the nation?

Far as the Big 12 remaining in tact I'm sure they are aware of at the moment they might have made it into a clearing but they aren't out of the woods yet. I think in a couple of years they either try to re-expand back to 12 or we see the dominoes fall again into 4 freaking Mega Conferences, which I just still can't see why people are really clamoring for it.