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Wolf
05-16-2010, 01:01 PM
NFL network saying the rumor is he is looking at about 20 million a year

Ryan
05-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Just 3 years out of being a top 15 pick and he's already looking for a new deal. Is he worth it? Maybe, but it's just upsetting how the business part of football seems to take over.

pbat488
05-16-2010, 05:27 PM
Just 3 years out of being a top 15 pick and he's already looking for a new deal. Is he worth it? Maybe, but it's just upsetting how the business part of football seems to take over.

I understand your sentiment and can sometimes get a little caught up in hating, or rather being jealous in my case, of the insane amount of money some of these professional athletes demand, but something that not a lot of us realize is that they have a ~5-10 year window in most cases to make their money for the rest of their lives. Too many professional athletes don't have or care about a college degree or will have a degree that once their athletic career is over won't lend itself to any job openings if they need a job. We can blame the players or the system or whatever else, but it's a fact that many players have to earn what they want to live on for the rest of their lives in their short playing days, so can we really blame them for wanting as much as they can get? Of course there will always be publicity appearances and other things like that, but for a high number of players, they simply fade away into the background.

So whenever a contract negotiation comes up with a player demanding an inordinate amount for their worth (in this case, Revis is worth every penny imo) I have to remind myself that after 35 they're living off what they've made in most cases, no matter how little or large that sum may be.

Lucky
05-16-2010, 06:19 PM
So whenever a contract negotiation comes up with a player demanding an inordinate amount for their worth (in this case, Revis is worth every penny imo) I have to remind myself that....
...the NFL makes an inordinate amount for their worth (thanks to fans such as myself), and that the players deserve their fair share.

awtysst
05-16-2010, 07:01 PM
I understand your sentiment and can sometimes get a little caught up in hating, or rather being jealous in my case, of the insane amount of money some of these professional athletes demand, but something that not a lot of us realize is that they have a ~5-10 year window in most cases to make their money for the rest of their lives. Too many professional athletes don't have or care about a college degree or will have a degree that once their athletic career is over won't lend itself to any job openings if they need a job. We can blame the players or the system or whatever else, but it's a fact that many players have to earn what they want to live on for the rest of their lives in their short playing days, so can we really blame them for wanting as much as they can get? Of course there will always be publicity appearances and other things like that, but for a high number of players, they simply fade away into the background.

So whenever a contract negotiation comes up with a player demanding an inordinate amount for their worth (in this case, Revis is worth every penny imo) I have to remind myself that after 35 they're living off what they've made in most cases, no matter how little or large that sum may be.

I have no issue with the NFL players making big $. The market is willing to pay that salary at this time so be it. Personally I would like to see people who make society better making big $ like doctors, scientists, etc. I mean when you compare the value of Revis to any type of doctor, clearly, the doctor is worth a lot more to society than some football player.

That said, the average man in the US will make approx $2 million in his lifetime pre taxes. According to various sources the average NFL career is 3.5 years. If a player made league minimum each of those years, they would still make $1.8 million pre taxes. I imagine an athlete would be able to find some job where he could make an additional 200k over the rest of his working life. Lets say a player enters the NFL at 22 and is out at 25. Lets say he works until he is 65 years old. in 40 years he can certainly earn an additional 200k! That translates to earning $5,000 per year! I understand that careers are short, but lets not kid ourselves. Even the average NFL career at league minimum is the equivalent of 90% what the average man will earn in his lifetime!

awtysst
05-16-2010, 07:04 PM
...the NFL makes an inordinate amount for their worth (thanks to fans such as myself), and that the players deserve their fair share.

Sure, the NFL makes a ton of $ off the players but who is the more important factor? If you had the infrastructure in place but XFL talent players, would we still watch? Maybe. If the infrastructure was that of the Arena Football League but we had NFL quality players would we watch?

I don't know. I wonder how much of what we see if based on the player's abilities and how much is based on the infrastructure of the NFL?

What do you think?

JB
05-16-2010, 07:45 PM
Sure, the NFL makes a ton of $ off the players but who is the more important factor? If you had the infrastructure in place but XFL talent players, would we still watch? Maybe. If the infrastructure was that of the Arena Football League but we had NFL quality players would we watch?

I don't know. I wonder how much of what we see if based on the player's abilities and how much is based on the infrastructure of the NFL?

What do you think?

That is a very interesting question. I will ponder on that awhile and come back with something....

ATXtexanfan
05-16-2010, 10:05 PM
well hes worth a gillion times what atlanta paid dunta, man thats a power ball contract

Mr teX
05-16-2010, 11:34 PM
Sure, the NFL makes a ton of $ off the players but who is the more important factor? If you had the infrastructure in place but XFL talent players, would we still watch? Maybe. If the infrastructure was that of the Arena Football League but we had NFL quality players would we watch?

I don't know. I wonder how much of what we see if based on the player's abilities and how much is based on the infrastructure of the NFL?

What do you think?

The customer is always right & there's no question we watch for the quality of the players. Noone's tuning in to see bud adams flip the bird to fans or to see the pretty stadiums. We watch to see the most talented guys in the world at that position make spectacular plays. Sure, the NFL makes it easy for us & has a nice infrastructure for us to view it week in & out, but look at how fast all the other "competing" leagues folded up.

USFL - 3 years
XFL - lol

Hell the NFL couldn't even sustain NFL Europe & i'm willing to bet noone can name more than 5 players playing in the canadian football league right now. There's really only 1 discernable reason for that...b/c the quality of players aren't as good as the NFL players.

The only reason arena football has lasted as long as it has is b/c it's slightly different from the NFL football. i.e. it's a different product.

Corrosion
05-17-2010, 12:42 AM
I understand your sentiment and can sometimes get a little caught up in hating, or rather being jealous in my case, of the insane amount of money some of these professional athletes demand, but something that not a lot of us realize is that they have a ~5-10 year window in most cases to make their money for the rest of their lives. Too many professional athletes don't have or care about a college degree or will have a degree that once their athletic career is over won't lend itself to any job openings if they need a job. We can blame the players or the system or whatever else, but it's a fact that many players have to earn what they want to live on for the rest of their lives in their short playing days, so can we really blame them for wanting as much as they can get? Of course there will always be publicity appearances and other things like that, but for a high number of players, they simply fade away into the background.

So whenever a contract negotiation comes up with a player demanding an inordinate amount for their worth (in this case, Revis is worth every penny imo) I have to remind myself that after 35 they're living off what they've made in most cases, no matter how little or large that sum may be.


That sounds as if they arent capable of getting a regular 9-5 like the majority of Americans ....


Too bad we dont compensate our teachers as well as we do our entertainers ....

We have some ****ed up priorities.

thunderkyss
05-17-2010, 04:01 AM
Hell the NFL couldn't even sustain NFL Europe & i'm willing to bet noone can name more than 5 players playing in the canadian football league right now. There's really only 1 discernable reason for that...b/c the quality of players aren't as good as the NFL players.


the only reason the NFL has the players they do, is because of the money they generate. If (as Awtysst suggests) those markets had the money and infrastructure the NFL has, they could easily compete for the players... and the market. The NFL just has such a huge leap on everybody, that it isn't even close. Remember, ESPN wouldn't even talk about XFL games...

On another note, what do you think of the quality of Canadian, NFL Europe, & XFL players compared to that of the NCAA Football. Surely it has to be on par, if not better... but there is already such an infrastructure in place, these other leagues don't stand a chance.

thunderkyss
05-17-2010, 04:07 AM
double post

thunderkyss
05-17-2010, 04:15 AM
triple post.

pbat488
05-17-2010, 04:17 AM
As a preface, I don't like breaking up someones post into pieces, but I tried responding to all in a block and it just came out messy so I had to seperate..That sounds as if they arent capable of getting a regular 9-5 like the majority of Americans ....

I wouldn't doubt if a lot of players couldn't hold a 9-5 job, whether it's due to education or other factors. Some examples: Pacman Jones, Chris Johnson, Travis Henry, and Chris Henry (RIP).


Too bad we dont compensate our teachers as well as we do our entertainers ....

Very true, but the reason we don't is that pretty much everyone who wants to can become a teacher. There are certain educational, monetary, and personal background checkpoints, but most every adult in the United States, if they wanted, could eventually become a teacher. However, not everyone can become a professional athlete. They earn their salaries simply because they were blessed with having more elite athletic ability than the general masses. Little fish in an enormous sea or giant, fast, and agile fish in a little pond.

We have some ****ed up priorities.

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Goatcheese
05-17-2010, 09:22 AM
You can't spend 1/6-1/7th of your salary cap on a corner. That's just retarded. I can see a QB getting that kind of jack, but they are the most important position in any sport and the entire offense runs through them.

Revis is a great corner, but he's not better than Aso, and certainly not $5 mil a year better.

Mr teX
05-17-2010, 04:05 PM
the only reason the NFL has the players they do, is because of the money they generate. If (as Awtysst suggests) those markets had the money and infrastructure the NFL has, they could easily compete for the players... and the market. The NFL just has such a huge leap on everybody, that it isn't even close. Remember, ESPN wouldn't even talk about XFL games...

On another note, what do you think of the quality of Canadian, NFL Europe, & XFL players compared to that of the NCAA Football. Surely it has to be on par, if not better... but there is already such an infrastructure in place, these other leagues don't stand a chance.

To some extent this is true, we saw the USFL woo Herschel Walker & Jim Kelley away b/c they had money to give. But had that league somehow survived, I believe at some point each would've still come back to the NFL mainly b/c it was/is where the elite of the elite play. It's like a high school kid playing against middle school kids. Yeah, you can dominate against them, but don't you want to play against guys your age & height to see how good you really are?

As for your other question, I would say Canadian & NFL Europe players were/are probably on par with NCAA football & a big reason for that is b/c many of those players were/are getting NFL tutelage from guys who played in the NFL or had been coaching in the nfl for a while. Still that doesn't mean that any of those guys were talented enough to compete with the best of the best in the NFL; money & infrastructure or not. Sure you can point to a case here & there where a player from each of those leagues made the leap most notably Kurt Warner & Warren Moon, but the majority of those dudes weren't talented enough to compete in the league.
Case & point, Dave Ragone was a league MVP, World bowl champ for NFL Europe...got here & well we know the rest. Ditto For Danny Wuerfel who by the way had already failed in the NFL.

Obviously i'm talking mainly about NFL Europe & the CFL & being completely dismissive of the XFL b/c lets face it, 99% of those dudes were probably either semi-pro or arena league rejects trying to make a quick buck. You & I probably could've been stars in that league b/c the talent level was that low which is why it folded after just 1 year.

J_R
05-18-2010, 02:56 PM
Revis will have to settle for less. Mr. Manning is only getting 20 million/year.


http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif
The Indianapolis Star suggests that Peyton Manning's new contract could fall in the "five-year, $100 million neighborhood."

The extension is expected to be finalized "in the next few months." $20 million per year would make Manning the richest player in NFL history, which the Colts have no problem with. The signing bonus could be in the $40M range.

Mr teX
05-18-2010, 04:13 PM
Revis will have to settle for less. Mr. Manning is only getting 20 million/year.


http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gif
The Indianapolis Star suggests that Peyton Manning's new contract could fall in the "five-year, $100 million neighborhood."

The extension is expected to be finalized "in the next few months." $20 million per year would make Manning the richest player in NFL history, which the Colts have no problem with. The signing bonus could be in the $40M range.

the roof has been set then.

El Tejano
05-19-2010, 02:09 PM
I heard him say on NFL Network that he is not asking for 20 Million and that rumor is a lie. He said he's not trying to get all the money he can because he understands the team needs to try and sign other players, he's just looking for what's fair.

thunderkyss
05-19-2010, 04:44 PM
He said he's not trying to get all the money he can because he understands the team needs to try and sign other players, he's just looking for what's fair.

I think that is player speak for, "I'm trying to get all the money I can, and then some."

Wolf
06-14-2010, 11:10 PM
Jets’ Revis sits out some plays in protest


FLORHAM PARK, N.J. (AP)—Darrelle Revis’(notes) contract issues are giving him a headache.

The New York Jets’ All-Pro cornerback sat out some plays during practice Monday in protest of his stalled negotiations after initially saying he wasn’t feeling well.

“I was just a little lightheaded today, a hamstring pull, too,” Revis said with a chuckle. “Nah, we’re going through it right now. There’s some things right now and we’re starting to get serious. There’s two different opinions going on, and I’m going to do what’s best for me and my family.”


Revis promised last week he would participate in the team’s mandatory minicamp beginning Monday. But toward the end of the first practice, he told defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman his head was bothering him and went to the sideline.

“It was something just to let them know I can play, and I cannot play,” Revis said. “That’s what it is.”

Coach Rex Ryan first defended Revis, saying he’ll never question a player who says something is bothering him physically.

“When they tell you something is not right, you believe them to be a man of their word,” Ryan said. “I believe Darrelle would be that way. Now if he’s pulling a fast one on us, he’s pulling a fast one on us.”



http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-jets-revisprotest

JB
06-14-2010, 11:14 PM
Now if he’s pulling a fast one on us, he’s pulling a fast one on us.”


Duh!

They all know how the game is played.

eriadoc
06-16-2010, 02:27 AM
Well, things got interesting. Evidently, the Jets offered zero guaranteed dollars to Revis.

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jets-offer-0-guaranteed-to-Revis-Revis-promptl?urn=nfl,248584)

Honestly, I just don't know what the Jets are trying to do here. Sure, you start every contract negotiation with a lowball offer, the player starts with a big number, and ideally, you can meet somewhere in the middle. He is due to make $1 million in the fourth season of his six-year rookie deal, and wants to be the league’s highest-paid cornerback.

But zero dollars guaranteed? Why? The Jets, a lot of people feel, are poised for a run at the Super Bowl. Revis is a key part of that. You're going to alienate him, for what reason exactly?

It's like going into a pawn shop, seeing a $5,000 watch you want, and saying, "Rick, I'd like that watch, but instead of giving you $5,000 for it, how about I just poke the Old Man in the eye, you give me $20, and then I take the watch?" It's just not a sound negotiating tactic.

badboy
06-16-2010, 04:37 PM
Well, things got interesting. Evidently, the Jets offered zero guaranteed dollars to Revis.

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jets-offer-0-guaranteed-to-Revis-Revis-promptl?urn=nfl,248584)I would have started at the DR-Atlanta rate and gone up a bit.

J_R
06-17-2010, 10:54 AM
Bob Glauber of Newsday reports that the Jets are willing to add six years to Revis' existing deal, which pays out more than $21 million over the next three seasons. The end result could average $12 million per year and the total value would "approach $100 million or more."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/17/report-jets-are-willing-to-offer-100-million-to-revis/

badboy
06-17-2010, 04:39 PM
This reminds me of the Andre Johnson flare up. On his current contract he is getting $7 m and that is pretty good. I think like Aj it will be resolved eventually and put some more up front money in his pocket. I winder if guaranteeing the next three years ($21m) would maje Darrelle feel better? Team should be willing if it is going to offer and additional 6. Personally, insisting he play for the $6m this deal and then reviewing after the contract is ok.

infantrycak
06-17-2010, 04:49 PM
There is conflicting info on that $21 mil. Rotoworld has him making $650 k in 2010 and 2011 and then $665 k in 2012. 2011 and 2012 are voidable years the requirements of which are probably already satisfied. In order to buy back 2011 they have to pay him $5 mil and to get 2012 back $9 mil.